@sharps00 I had a good hunting season,thanks....No deer,but my son and I went wild on the ruffed grouse population.The grouse were plentiful this year.
I still have your tent on my wish list.It is pretty sweet with the roof tarp.How is the tent holding-up in the seams?Have you had any major or minor problems with it?
What do you like or dislike about using your wall tent?...
@NaturalWorldWiki sometimes it almost seems too big. But when it is raining heavy outside it sure is nice to be able to sit around the stove and be comfortable and dry.
I hunt for food and skins for use with my family. The caribout and moose I kill are much better for my family than the steroid/chemical ridden meat you buy in a grocery store.
I'll bet you never thought a little deer on a meat pole would generate such a discussion.The subject of the video is the tent;but most want to talk about your nice buck.Good luck this fall sharps00...
@forrestry that deer was awesome eating. Steaks and roasts were tender and not gamey at all. No hormones, antibiotics or steroids. Does not get anymore free range than that.
Without hunting here in WI, the deer population would rapidly increase with resultant auto collision frequency. Many more deer would starve if winter snow was deep. Starving has to be more cruel than a quick death by gunshot. I was raised a hunter but am beginning to see the waste in commercially growing live stock. Not to mention the diseases and chemicals that are companion to the whole process. I value my organic garden more with each passing year.
With the wild places of this world having been mostly wiped out I wonder why people can't just leave what is left wild, to be wild..
You all speak as if you care about these places yet I wonder why you don't struggle to restore natural balance and just leave these places to themselves. That to me would indicate a real love for that world..
would you help protect these places if you couldn't kill things in them?
"It seems to me like the most bitter irony, that people who no longer know anything about correlations in nature, people who live in big cities in between skyscraper abysses, tar and cement, surrounded by the uproar of planes and engines and shrouded in industrial smog, people who only now and then look out into nature like through a show case, that such people feel entitled to condemn something, which dates back to a time, when the balance in nature was yet undisturbed."
What you don't realize is that I have lived in rural parts of north carolina as well as rural parts of new york. I have lived with and among hunters of all types. Even now I don't live in a city, but a congested suburban setting, I'm sorry to say. Even so, I do spend much of my time out of doors in what little natural places their are at my disposal..
Well it's been an interesting discussion jekylfoot. It appears that we have more in common than I realized. Both of us have a interest in the environment and the quality of food we consume. Both of us, surprisingly, have a keen interest in martial arts and politics, and even mountain biking. You still living in Long Island?
The fact is, most people in the states and I would guess canada as well, don't get there food from hunting. They go to the store and purchase it. Those that can't afford to have to do what they can, but I would also guess that few of you are in that position... If you can afford to buy food then you don't "need" meat. It is not required for optimal health as the existence of world class vegan triathletes would seem to indicate.
To kill without real need is just selfishness and arrogance.
@jekylfoot you do not seem to have the mental capacity to understand that if every person who ate meat went to the store for it, we would have to destroy permanently more forests to raise beef for slaughter. You are also incapable to appreciate that I choose to feed my family organic meat without growth hormones and antibiotics. We also have evolved in this world and our hunting is part of the natural world.......
As far as me being the only "name calling" check out my profile and see the comment posted by one of the "folks" from this discussion.
I understand that you wish to be left alone to kill whatever you want, for no good reason (in my opinion). but if you guy's are gonna keep emailing your justifications I'm gonna respond.
I haven't tried "to tell you what you should do" but I will disagree as I see fit, if questioned.
@jekylfoot the great thing about living in a free country as I stated yesterday is I have the choice to eat what I want and raise my family in the manner I choose and you dont have the right to tell me what I should do. You are a vegan good for you I am an omnivore and I choose to take my place in nature, I also deserve to not have to listen to your drivel. It is like listening to Jehovas Witnesses that come to your door to save you, we dont need saving and neither does our environment....
It's simple, stop posting comments to me and I won't respond. I never visit this vid otherwise
you keep bringing up how animals kill each other. It's not an accurate analogy, wolves and other predators don't have a choice..
I won't question your "mental capacity" as you did mine, but I will question your reading skills... I said if you can afford to buy food, you don't need to eat meat.
As far as the name calling goes: I only made a couple of jokes, I have not personally insulted anybody..
@jekylfoot I like to eat meat I enjoy it greatly, I also appreciate the animal I eat very much unlike the large majority of the epople out there who eat meat. They are the ones you should be talk at as the environmental degredation cause by commercial meat farming and suffering that those animals experience is far greater than the animals we harvest. In the last 26 years of hunting I havent had an animal suffer more than 30 seconds, most havent at all.
I agree. I have nothing but contempt for the commercial meat industry, as I have stated.. And, I respect people that feel actual appreciation for the animals they hunt. But, my point is simple(to me anyway) if you don't need to kill something, but do anyway, how much do you really respect that creature and it's right to exist?
Your in a tough spot because you probably grew up with a deep hunting tradition and see any questioning of that as a personal assault on everything you know.
@jekylfoot it isn't a personal attack to me, I enjoy hunting and I hike and camp and try to spend as much time in the field as I can. I like eating meat, its texture and taste are good and I actually prefer the taste of game over beef, which leaves me with hunting. I choose to eat meat I can see your side and think that we are closer inour thinking than you give us credit for. We see the animals we hunt expire and most of us carry that back home with the animal.
Thank you. Im sorry, but there is a core difference between us. I don't feel that taste and texture are worth somethings fear, suffering and death. And no one likes to eat more then me. If I ate meat I would be as big (fat) as a house.
@jekylfoot and because of this we appreciate every bite and try not to waste any of it. I have let more animals live than I have shot, if I cant kill it ethically(which to me is fast) I wont take the shot. I see hundreds of animals every year and only take home a handful. I also dont see it as immoral to fullfil a herbivores place in the food chain....to provide food for a predator. Humans are the top predator on earth and I choose to be part of the food chain.
@jekylfoot one other point is that my children all know where their food comes from and they are given the choice to become a hunter or not and I will not force them.I choose to minimize the suffering that my life on earth is going to cause as do you that is how we are similar, vegans also cause suffering, just indirectly and I have vegan friends that agree with me, as we all use or wear things that come from other animals.
@jekylfoot do you wear running shoes or are your footwear made from hemp, no leather clothing at all?As posted earlier are you aware that many supplements are derived from animals.We all consume you cannot live without doing it and unless you only spend your days looking into all that you use and consume and know that it doesn't affect any other living creature on this planet, then you are not so different from me(if you think you dont I call liar).
@jekylfoot do you live in a city...just think of all the animals that died to create that spaceall the environmental destruction. Do you burn fuel to heat your home? You have an environmental footprint and some of it is based on killing, it is impossible to completely remove yourself from this.
@jekylfoot The simple fact of life is that in order for another species to survive, vegetarian or carnivore, something else has to die. Nature works on the system of giving life trough killing. With that said even vegetarians, no matter how much they deny it or simply choose to ignore it, are just as guilty of killing as everyone else. Now you can deny this all you want and spout forth your vegetarian = no killing agenda but youre still deadly wrong.
@jekylfoot If youre a vegetarian because you do not like to be "guilty" for killing animals then youre sitting on the wrong horse and better would get off before you come across as a hypocrite.
@jekylfoot we are lucky to live in Canada where we have way more nature to enjoy than you have in the states, we choose to partake in it in a manner you dont and it doesnt makes us wrong or immoral. Yes animals feel fear but it is way less being shot than chased down by a wolf and eaten alive. You have your stance and if you notice all our posts have not been trying to seduce you into an evil way of life we just want to be left to our own, you on the other hand seem bent on trying to fix us.
On behalf of huntwriter @ Jekylfoot It really puzzles my mind how vegetarians can sit on the high horse preaching the killing is wrong mantra. Have you ever considered how much wildlife habitat is for ever destroyed as it is turned into crop and vegetable fields, fruit orchards and villages of greenhouses? Have you ever considered how many mammals, songbirds and insects are killed with pesticides or by destroying their habitat? I guess not!
The simple fact of life is that in order for another species to survive, vegetarian or carnivore, something else has to die. Nature works on the system of giving life trough killing. With that said even vegetarians, no matter how much they deny it or simply choose to ignore it, are just as guilty of killing as everyone else. Now you can deny this all you want and spout forth your vegetarian = no killing agenda but youre still deadly wrong.
i love the vegans who eat their overpriced organics and dont eat meat cause they dont like to see helpless animals killed yet they dont seem to relize that those organic vegetables are grown outside where wild life roams, and heres the part that always seems to get em, on those farms you can bet more than a few animals are killed that try to eat the crops.....next time you have an argument bring that up, its funny they get all frustrated and dont know what to say after that
I am a vegan and I don't kill the creatures that eat some of my garden.. I can't controll what other people do. I doubt you will find many organic farmers that kill animals that do the things you have said. But, there are jerks in all walks of life.
If youre a vegetarian because you do not like to be "guilty" for killing animals then youre sitting on the wrong horse and better would get off before you come across as a hypocrite.
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"Wouldnt it be wise for us to be more tolerant of each other and pick our battles with the ones that really threaten our way of life?"
If you take a look at the hunter, he too cares about the environment. Free range meat, packaging that is less harmful to the ozone than supermarket things. Really our beliefs are closer to your than you think, but unless provoked we dont usually go looking to bash the Anti Thinking as you seem to
If we were to all evolve in vegetarians we will lose them. Until that happens, man will continue to consume meat. I prefer to eat mine organic, as nature intended, not steroid, growth hormone, store packaged slabs in plastic and cellophane.
I find it ironic that our friend Jekylfoot keeps saying we have choice. Yes, we could buy our meat from the supermarket. but something still has to die. Unless we are all going to become vegetarians, something is going to die. Have you noticed that man was given canine teeth? Why is that? So we can shed our meat as nature intended it to be.
Jekylfoot. Slander and name calling won't get you far. You've already lost any credibility with me (probably even your own kind) and seem quite foolish and ill equipped to debate anything at all, let alone this.
Democracy gives us all a right to choose, I respect your choice, but wonder what you'd do if ever democracy goes for s shit? Where you going to buy your veggies then? With what I know of the woods, I could survive for quite some time, that's not MACHO, that survival. You???
And Considering Sharps is Canadian, why would he buy an American made tent. When there is a Canadian company that makes superior quality tents and is less than 100miles from his house?????
Nice looking setup you have there, thansk for sharing
To the vegetarians out there, I am curious if plant based diets are far healthier then meat based diets why do 4 billion people eat meat? Why do hundreds of thousands of wolves choose to eat ungulates????? Why do bears have salad with their meat???? I'm pretty sure mother nature as it figured out. Those that eat meat are on the higher end of the food ladder while herbivores(vegetarians) are somewhere near the bottom???
So what do homophobic anti hunting experts on everything, do for food? They have someone else do the dirty work so they can have the T bone with a clear conscience. Sound about right???
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Homophobic? you should meet some of my gay friends.. The "queer" comment was just a joke, poking fun at all you "macho" men out there. At least try to have a sense of humor.
I don't eat meat... no "dirty work" involved.
I don't think i'm an expert on anything, but none of you guy have offered up any real compelling arguments, as far as I can tell.
I must have missed the part where we the "hunters" were beating our chests and slapping each other on the back for being so "Macho" As per Steeleco I'm with him it's about survival at the end of the day. I also choose to hunt becuase it is a far more humane way to put meat on the table to going to the grocery store. Not to mention it's more, whats the buzz word these days? Oh ya "Organic"
I really don't understand why people are so ignorant & compelled to hate something they dont understand
you want some arguments, im gunna take a wild guess and assume your Vegan, probably eat a fair bit of Tofu/soy , you ever look into the health side effects of that crap, it aint nice and if ya dont trust me google it and as for organic foods, according to a documentary i saw a while back the only major difference from normal food is the price, but on the other hand i do like my wild game which is organic, much better then store bought meat thats pumped full of who knows what.
If you guys are gonna be buying tents you may consider buying them from the companies that actually make them in the states, like the davis tent company...
All the canvas for these things is made overseas, and many tents as well... But there are a few american companies that make their tents here. Tents made by Bambi killing rednecks, just like you guys, no doubt...
The company I deal with is Canadian and is only a short distance from where I live so I prefer to buy locally. But I agree the more money we can keep in our respective countries the better our economies will be. I don't understand why a bambi hugging, granola munching eco terrorist such as yourself keeps on coming back to this page. One day you will admit that you are drawn by your natural instincts to the need to hunt and will get out in the woods and enjoy the bounty that god has provided us.
Maybe, but it's most likely because people keep sending comments my way...
One more thing: Plastic rain flies are for queers! I take that back... no self respecting homosexual would be caught dead with an UGLY, NOISY plastic tarp covering their beautiful canvas tent.... "Man up" and spring for the canvas fly... the universe will thank you, not that you deserve it.
Don't get me wrong, you don't "NEED" to hunt. It is only a primitive and ancient form of food gathering. You can modernly purchase food from the supermarket with far less energy consumption and that should be your preferred option since it saves you energy and all animals follow the rule that efficient food is better food.
But if you enjoy the adrenaline of hunting and do it for a truthful reason without wasting any animals then hunting should keep you fit and healthy if ur alive.
@ashthegreat you are correct I don't need to hunt but I do choose to hunt. I made the choice to hunt about 20yrs ago when it struck me as a young man that I was so far removed from the start to finish process of the meat I was purchasing in the store. So I made a decision that if I was going to be directly responsible for the killing of an animal buy purchasing its meat from the store then I wanted to experience the whole process.
I admire your respect for the truth in work and philosophy that experiencing your full effects on animals will help you control your effects since you know what it's like and the value of hunting animals. Some people underrate the meat they purchase from stores and think that they can eat hundreds of pounds of meat a day like candy while they are causing chaos to the animals that stores must keep on killing to supply their meat and all this happens without the customer's knowledge.
What I fear, is the top off one of the nearby/over-head trees, at your campsite ,coming down through the canvas on a windy day/night.
I have the opportunity to stay in a secure cabin...one stormy night,the top off a white maple came crashing onto the roof,taking the stove pipe down to the floor.We had to dowse the fire and rain was pouring through the roof.
If we had been in anything less of a shelter,someone could have been killed.
@JBodine67 To be honest I have never given it too much thought.......Great now its not just grizzly bears i have to worry about 8) We do get blow downs but I have never had a close call yet
You are welcome to your opinions,jekylfoot.We enjoy free speech here in Canada too.
So here is my opinion.Canadian hunters,for the most part,hunt for meat.Most of us are not trophy hunters.We abide by the laws that protect wildlife and contribute to conservation.
Your affection for wildlife is clear;but your disdain for hunting is misguided.You have an idea in your head about hunting but the reality is escaping you.Arrogance becomes a blind to proud misguided eyes.
To survive all creatures must take a life in order to live, be it a plant or an animal. We cannot produce our own energy from the sun, nor are we cynobacteria. For one group to claim superiority to another is utter nonsense! I hunt to feed my family with the healthiest 'organic' and 'free range' meat that you can consume. I know where my food comes from and where I belong on the food chain. Our brains only evolved because we had access to fatty acids found in meat. I guess you were left out.
I don't remember claiming "utter superiority" but, if you consider that to be a person who tries to reduce the suffering of this world by choosing not to kill things, unless out of last resort, then you can call it what you want...
Yes, we all kill things, even the act of breathing probably consumes tiny forms of life.. But what is wrong with killing as little as possible? Is compassion something beyond your "evolved" brain
You don't have to kill a plant to eat it's fruit...
Funny how "citified" (note I didn't say "civilized") folks have become. We've forgotten where our food comes from. Oh and FYI JF, the animals I shoot die a very quick and comparatively compassionate death when you look at the alternatives they face. Animals don't talk, they don't sleep in comfy beds in hollow trees, and their mothers don't read to them at night.
They die from starvation, exposure, disease and infestations of parasites, or being run down and ripped apart by predators, and often eaten while still alive. My bullet is the most compassionate thing out there.
@jekylfoot how about all us hunters stop eating game and start buying beef so even more cows can be raised for slaughter instead of eating animals able to have a natural life and death,their lot in life. Their death is natural they are born to die as we all are and I will not stop eating meat I like it it is good for me. If we all ate granola it would become endangered and just think of the habitat we would have to destroy to grow more granola..go munch in solitude we dont need your opinion
@jekylfoothave you not entertained the idea we are not trying to convince you to eat meat or change your way of life to suit mine. Eat what you want I dont want someone like you in my camp I like people that are ok with others way of life and people who offer compelling conversations. As hunters we try to recruit similarly minded individuals not someone who bashes others because they dont understand them.
@jekylfoot I dont care if your gay,vegetarian,vegan,racial ethnicity or religous just dont try to convert me I am happy with who I am and enjoy living in a country where I can do as I wish as long as it is within the law(just like the states). I am not trying to argue you over to my side because I respect that you have your own choice all I ask in return is you understand I have my own choice too even if you dont agree.Take away our choice and its not a free country RIGHT?
@jekylfoot as I stated earlier if we all became vegetarians we would have to destro alot of deer,elk,bear,duck habitat to be able to produce the amount of vegetables we would consume. I am more concerned with the populations in some countries around the world that will have a far greater impact on our civilization than killing animals for food or for farming at least when we kill an animal another takes its place unlike turning habitat to farmland=gone forever.
It is common knowledge that it takes 10 times the amount of our natural resources to produce a calorie of meat protein compared to a calorie of vegetable protein of equal nutritional value. The space required to feed all the beef cows could easily produce the food you are concerned about. Where do you get your info?
Reality hurts, and the reality is that each animal i have downed with my rifle has had its life ended quicker and more humane than anything mothernature could do for it.
Dont get me wrong though I love my veggies as well.
Just as long as they are in the slow cooker right next to the whitetail roast :)
Nature has no "compassion" and does not recognize "suffering". These are mere words created by us to describe what we 'think' represents reality in an attempt to categorize what is "right" and "wrong" - in order to understand the world around us. We are creatures of 'emotions'. One negative trait of this is that emotions are easily manipulated and exploited, enough sometimes for people to abandon all logical thinking. I have the highest regard for all life, and that's why I take only what I need
Plants lack the essential fatty acids found in meat that we desperately depend on for proper cognitive and neurological development. Their protein is also 'incomplete' for our biological needs - why do you think that is? Because of a process called natural selection we've become 'wired' to eat meat, and thus still depend on that today. Just curious, what do you think of breastfeeding? Would you feed your children formula made from genetically modified soy?
thats a common question. mixing rice and beans pretty much makes for complete protein. And there are supplements as well. As someone that works in construction and as someone that has fairly rigorous hobbies I don't have a problem not eating meat. I have been a vegetarian for 13 years and I'm in better shape than most people I know. I don't like gmo products and I have heard breast feeding is vital for the health of children.
I eat the animals I harvest to fulfill the need!! I don't need to harvest them anymore then you need to harviest the vegetables in your garden. Why is it so "RIGHT" for you to harvest vegetables and so "WRONG" for me to harvest animals? Are plants not living organisms? what makes "Bambi" as you so passionately refer to them, have more rights to not be harvested then a plant? I don't stand here and bash you for your choice of harvesting plants, so why must you bash us for harvesting animals????
Ya, cause everyone knows it fiar more humane to just remove an appendage then to quickly an efficiently kill someone. What would you say if I stunned/tranq'd a deer and then just removed one hind, I mean the deer still has 3 legs right. By your logic this would be acceptable????? I don't think so, funny how your logic is narrow and only applies to one specific area.
Sweet set-up boys!....nice spike-horn buck too.How does it fare in windy/rainy weather?Have you used it during snowfall?...that sweet tarp looks like it would let the rain and snow slide right off.
Did it come with a floor?...or did you use a separate tarp?
My brother-in-law uses a huge canvas tent for fall hunts in Alberta, and he swears by it....got to get me one like yours.
@JBodine67 Thanks for the comments. It did not come with a floor so i just cut a tarp to size. The tent stands up to the wind and rain really well but we have not had it in any significant snow yet. but im sure since we have the woodstove inside that the snow would just melt off of it.
You might consider going to the supermarket for food... judging by your shiny late model truck and new gear, chances are you can afford it. Maybe you should also consider not adding to the struggles/suffering of animals if you don't absolutely have to.
"All life, from a tiny insect to a hot-tempered moose, has a sacred right to fulfill the measure of it's creation and in no way does this fulfillment require that a beast become sport for man
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Hunting for existence is a different proposition altogether and reflects a more serious and mature relationship with nature. Hunger is humbling and killing creates a void in the earth that is justified not by a shelf laden with trophies but rather by sincere need." Larry Dean Olsen
I don't eat meat because I don't need to... Out of respect for other creatures I choose to refrain from killing because my life and my health do not depended upon it...
I like this qoute "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."
Good morning to you sir,as I send you this comment, I and my son, are getting ready to go out on the last day of the deer hunt for this season.
We live in New Brunswick.There are more hunters per capita in this province than any other;so I have a good idea what is involved in the hunt.
The reality ,sir,is that no matter what your income, or station in life,you are allowed to choose to eat wild meat or not.If a person does not choose to hunt and eat wild game,then more power to him.
I said nothing of your right to engage in an activity, but I do question the justifications of that activity.
perhaps you can explain them on your return..
But, on a purely moral level I don't think killing things for any other reason than dire necessity can be justified, good luck trying. You may wax poetic about your lifestyle, but the things you shoot die and suffer for real. they know only survival.
@jekylfoot I am so sorry for you that you do not understand the basics of nature. The fear and dread is not a proud statement it is an explanation. It is telling us why we cant be "friends" with nature. Eventually the grizzly bears will eat you no matter how nice you are to them( Timothy Treadwell).It is why your pet dog will have its tail between its legs when it knows it has done something that displeases you no matter how well it is treated. In nature there is no such thing as respect......
Again, a bear has no choice but to do as it does... I don't judge them for that, we're talking about human actions and human decisions. We as humans have capacities beyond that of other animals and should strive to use those capacities in the pursuit of balance and decency. In short, being good stewards.
As far as animals living in "fear" of us, I would paraphrase something I read in one of my books on native americans:
'animals did not flee from our approach until the white man came'.
Much like when a lion or other predator is moving past other game, but is not hunting, the animals know it. They watch close, but they know they are not being hunted, so they stay put. It used to be the same with humans till the wanton aggression of the early europeans scared off all creatures. We have no respect
@jekylfoot I would say that the native who wrote that book is a liar. It is well documented that natives used to "run" animals over cliffs as a form of hunting. If the animals did not fear the natives before the white man came along then why would they bother to run over the cliff. And why would groups of natives have to move their settlements as they areas they lived in became devoid of wildlife from them hunting, gathering and going about their daily life. this is why most natives where nomads
@jekylfoot You my friend need to stop reading books and watching national geographic and experience the wilds for yourself. You will find that the eco/vegetarian lifestyle that is put forward by a mostly hollywood driven agenda is a lie going back to walt disney and his portrayal that animals have the same feelings and emotions as humans do. They do not.
I do get out, why do you think I'm looking at videos of wall tents in the first place? I have also seen first hand how hunters show appreciation towards the creatures that help sustain their lives.. I've seen the heads, limbs, and hides of their prey strewn like garbage on trails, parking lots and the sides of roads...You still have not addressed, nor has the poster of this video, the difference between the actual need to hunt (to stay alive) and what you do. You don't hunt because u need to.
I can see that neither one of us is going to convince the other.We have both voiced our opinions here.Thank you for an interresting conversation.I will bring this conveyance of ideas,for my part,to an end.
Thank you. Let me ask you one last question. Do you think it is it right or just (or whatever word you want to use) to kill something that you don't need to kill? To me, that is the question.
yes, all things die. But do we have a moral right to kill(and risk great suffering with a poorly placed shot) simply because that is what we have always done, even though we are not wanting for sustenance?
I believe it is a matter of conscience.If one's conscience does not allow for killing for meat,then don't hunt.
My conscience allows me to go out and legally take wild game.
The question of morality:
I believe that what the Bible says is true...That all animals,both wild and domestic, are in subjection to man; by the authority of the Creator.That is the moral basis from which my conscience allows me to hunt, and eat what I kill.
@jekylfoot disease is far worse than a bad shot. wolves slowly eating there way towards your head from your back legs, tearing out your intestines and organs is more suffering than a quick kill from a rifle. if there still were top predators the need to hunt would be less, that said there isnt many we have to hunt to control population. for the good of both prey and humans.
People often say they hunt to protect the game from disease or starvation for lack of predators. yet, when wolves are reintroduced into an area the locals shoot them because the wolves are "killing the game".. you can't have it both ways.
i agree. but thats not the only reason people kill wolves. they kill pets and farm animals. they are decimating the elk population though. because the elk are not use to it. they will learn how to survive again if given the chance. I was also speaking for the white tailed deer were i live. no predators but us. there are more now than at any other time.
I think it is funny when rural people complain about loosing dogs and cats to indigenous predators...... if that bothers them they should move... Or, contain their animals like the rest of us do... The "predators" near me are cars.. If i let my dogs run off, they would be dead in seconds... And quite frankly I don't care about the ranchers... I have read about and seen enough of the meat "processing" industry to loath anyone that makes a living from the suffering those animals endure
So I guess you don't eat carrots, parsnips, radishes, cabbage, green onions, leeks, etc, because that would involve separating them from mother earth, letting them 'suffer', and then eating the very cells that kept these plants alive. You don't need to kill them - why not just eat fruit, and let these guys grow in peace? Plants ARE alive, they respond to many stimuli and 'bleed' just as animals do. You must think I'm quite sadistic for wanting to have maple syrup with my pancakes.
Yes carrots suffer. but in eating them as opposed to meat I'm still causing much less suffering because again, it take 10 times less energy to get a calorie of veggie protein than a calorie of meat protein. Yes, some things must die for us to live, so how do we do it in the most thoughtful and efficient way? what percentage of your diet comes from meat? Even grizzly's eat 90% berries and the like.
Are you overweight like most of the hunters I know? and I know many.
@jekylfoot if you were able to think of an actual argument you would not start name calling like a school yard bully, you dont hear us saying things like you must be gay cause you dont eat meat (for food anyways).
Actually, I have an ideal BMI! I spend a lot of time trekking up in the mountains doing environmental research, so I'm probably more fit than a lot of people you may know. It's very foolish of you to stereotype all hunters. I know many vegetarians who are quite overweight due to their cravings for carbohydrates (fat from meat suppresses appetite). People should be more respectful and tolerant of others' views, without the need to propagate theirs. I completely respect yours, please respect mine.
@jekylfoot The reality is I do not need to hunt. I choose to hunt and fish as a lifestyle choice. It is the same choice that you have made as a vegetarian. Here is the difference I as a hunter do not choose to try to push my lifestyle on others nor do i condemn them and try to portray myself as a higher evolved human being. I am not saying that you are doing this other than the fact that you chose to question my actions in my video. This is your right of course as this is a public domain.
I have no desire to push my lifestyle on you or anybody else. Nor do I think myself a higher evolved human, I simply base my decisions out of more consideration for other creatures and actual need. That is how I try to live in balance in this world of factory "farming" and shrinking habitat
I will end by saying that I found the sight of the young dear hanging in a sac particularly off putting.. I was seeking info on my tent and did not expect to see such a thing and it spurred my first comment
@jekylfoot What you need to be careful of is that you don't start to view your lifestyle as the only one that makes any sense because to me it does not make sense. When i look in the mirror and look at my teeth I can see without question that I have been engineered to eat both meat and vegetation. I have canine teeth for grasping and cutting teeth for tearing. If i want to be true to myself then I can only draw the conclusion that I am an omnivore.
I have the same teeth as you and the same impulse to hunt as you. I decide my actions based on what I feel is best, not what my body may be inclined to do because of it's design. take care.
I live in canada, in the winter here if you dont fish or hunt you die, yea i can drive an hour to the store and pick up food(if your not snowed in, great but in hard times you cant go to the sotre in buy things cuase the rich man has already bought your share, so you need to hunt and fish if you dont you die if you dont like to live thats your choice and a pretty selfish one at that have fun bagging or waiting in a bread line your closer to a depressen than you think
Thank you... I tried to make my comments as clear as possible, that i believe (for whatever thats worth) that people like you are the only ones that have any business killing things.. It seems to me there is a balance in your relationship with your surroundings. You kill because you have to. that seems fair to me. (again, for whatever thats worth)
...Scroll down to my second or third comment and read the quote by larry dean olsen that I copied. He says it far better than I can.
@jekylfoot There is no balance in nature. Wolves will clean out an area of their prey then move on to another area until game becomes so scarce that they end up with disease and starvation
where did you get this I have a king james version where can i find it?
o and i guess the hippies cant see that taking less from the land is better they harvest 2k.g a day of veggies i only have to eat 1 k.g of meat and veggies i guess where the conservationist's and where the one that put money into protecting wildlife and free chase nice tent by the way looking into livving out side for 3 months next summer should be good
You don't NEED to hunt in order to survive. You have options. If you were poor and struggling, that would be another story. Thankfully you are not, (thats why I pointed out your truck and your gear). You don't need to kill things, yet you do. I see no reverence in that.
besides, you and your family would be healthier on a plant based diet..... You can't use health or need as a justification.
@jekylfoot Let talk about this plant based diet. Are you aware that the majority of the vegetables that you purchase in the store are harvested by underpaid labor forces that are working in poverty conditions. Even the product of usa produce you purchase is more than likely being harvested by an underpaid and some times illegal work force. So in a sense you are contributing to this by being a vegetarian.
I am aware of the working conditions that you mentioned.. I get most of my vegetables from my back yard or a local organic farm. Harsh working conditions exist in many businesses, so to say i as a vegetarian am contributing to it seems like a bit of a shaky argument to me. But, nice try My consideration extends to people as well as animals and has for a long time.
@jekylfoot So if you have consideration for animals would you not agree that the habitat that the organic farm or even your back yard garden take should be reverted back to a natural state. It takes many hectares of prime wildlife habitat to be able to grow our food and the footprint that we leave behind with our miles and miles of farmland in my opinion are much more harmful to the worlds environment than me killing a deer every year.
The tent is 14x16 and would sleep 4 very comfortably and probably 6 if you wanted to be a little tight. The cots we use are the cabela's outfiter xl's that are huge so the military ones would fit alot nicer. If space is a worry get the tent made for you with the stove hole in the side up near the front then you could easily put 4 military cots side by side along the back and still have room for a table
Also as a side note on new wood stoves. Do a high heat burn outside your tent to get all the smoke and fumes that the paint on the stove gives off until it is cured. We did not do this step and spent our first hour standing outside the tent while the smoke and fumes cleared out.....DOH!!
The tarp came with the tent as part of the package. It is a bit too large to see out the windows but for the most part we were only in the tent during the night time so there wasn't anything to see anyway. Pipe does go out the back and I was a little concerned about the drafting with 2 elbows put in but there was no problems at all.....
What tent is this? Make I mean
ltldvlbmxtim 1 month ago
...looks like a forcorwhorn to me...lol...hey sharps....
JBodine67 1 month ago
@JBodine67 hey, hows was your season this year?
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@sharps00 I had a good hunting season,thanks....No deer,but my son and I went wild on the ruffed grouse population.The grouse were plentiful this year.
I still have your tent on my wish list.It is pretty sweet with the roof tarp.How is the tent holding-up in the seams?Have you had any major or minor problems with it?
What do you like or dislike about using your wall tent?...
Thanks Sharps,have a good 2012.
JBodine67 1 month ago
@FromanMD :D
vaidotas86 8 months ago
I imagine what ultra light backpacker would say...
vaidotas86 10 months ago
awesome where can i buy this tent?
AMULDARRY 1 year ago
das is a big tent
NaturalWorldWiki 1 year ago
@NaturalWorldWiki sometimes it almost seems too big. But when it is raining heavy outside it sure is nice to be able to sit around the stove and be comfortable and dry.
sharps00 1 year ago
I hunt for food and skins for use with my family. The caribout and moose I kill are much better for my family than the steroid/chemical ridden meat you buy in a grocery store.
IAMZOMBII 1 year ago
@IAMZOMBII i have never tried caribou but would like to some day
sharps00 1 year ago
its called a forcorwhorn not a 2 point
TheBigfoot1379 1 year ago
@TheBigfoot1379 In western canada its called a 2 point I have no idea what a 'forcorwhorn' is
sharps00 1 year ago
I'll bet you never thought a little deer on a meat pole would generate such a discussion.The subject of the video is the tent;but most want to talk about your nice buck.Good luck this fall sharps00...
JBodine67 1 year ago
Deer antlers can be used as medicine. There is some great research on the GH stimulating activity of deer horn.
sheikadi 1 year ago
@sheikadi What is GH? And do the antlers need to be in velvet still?
Thanks for the interesting comment
sharps00 1 year ago
Nice camp. Nicely set up. Pretty litlte buck. Must have been good eating.
forrestry 1 year ago
@forrestry that deer was awesome eating. Steaks and roasts were tender and not gamey at all. No hormones, antibiotics or steroids. Does not get anymore free range than that.
sharps00 1 year ago
@elkantler75 Well hell. You can"t eat the antlers anyways. I wouldn't care either, but your comment made me laugh anyways :)
forrestry 1 year ago
Who is this clown, if you dont it dont watch it. Love the wall tent set up. Keep em commin.
EvanGroves 2 years ago
There are good points made on both sides.
Without hunting here in WI, the deer population would rapidly increase with resultant auto collision frequency. Many more deer would starve if winter snow was deep. Starving has to be more cruel than a quick death by gunshot. I was raised a hunter but am beginning to see the waste in commercially growing live stock. Not to mention the diseases and chemicals that are companion to the whole process. I value my organic garden more with each passing year.
flintstone9812 2 years ago
With the wild places of this world having been mostly wiped out I wonder why people can't just leave what is left wild, to be wild..
You all speak as if you care about these places yet I wonder why you don't struggle to restore natural balance and just leave these places to themselves. That to me would indicate a real love for that world..
would you help protect these places if you couldn't kill things in them?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
"It seems to me like the most bitter irony, that people who no longer know anything about correlations in nature, people who live in big cities in between skyscraper abysses, tar and cement, surrounded by the uproar of planes and engines and shrouded in industrial smog, people who only now and then look out into nature like through a show case, that such people feel entitled to condemn something, which dates back to a time, when the balance in nature was yet undisturbed."
Kai-Uwe Denker
ThomasCrown79 2 years ago
What you don't realize is that I have lived in rural parts of north carolina as well as rural parts of new york. I have lived with and among hunters of all types. Even now I don't live in a city, but a congested suburban setting, I'm sorry to say. Even so, I do spend much of my time out of doors in what little natural places their are at my disposal..
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Well it's been an interesting discussion jekylfoot. It appears that we have more in common than I realized. Both of us have a interest in the environment and the quality of food we consume. Both of us, surprisingly, have a keen interest in martial arts and politics, and even mountain biking. You still living in Long Island?
ThomasCrown79 2 years ago
Why do you ask about where I live?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
The fact is, most people in the states and I would guess canada as well, don't get there food from hunting. They go to the store and purchase it. Those that can't afford to have to do what they can, but I would also guess that few of you are in that position... If you can afford to buy food then you don't "need" meat. It is not required for optimal health as the existence of world class vegan triathletes would seem to indicate.
To kill without real need is just selfishness and arrogance.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot you do not seem to have the mental capacity to understand that if every person who ate meat went to the store for it, we would have to destroy permanently more forests to raise beef for slaughter. You are also incapable to appreciate that I choose to feed my family organic meat without growth hormones and antibiotics. We also have evolved in this world and our hunting is part of the natural world.......
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
As far as me being the only "name calling" check out my profile and see the comment posted by one of the "folks" from this discussion.
I understand that you wish to be left alone to kill whatever you want, for no good reason (in my opinion). but if you guy's are gonna keep emailing your justifications I'm gonna respond.
I haven't tried "to tell you what you should do" but I will disagree as I see fit, if questioned.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot the great thing about living in a free country as I stated yesterday is I have the choice to eat what I want and raise my family in the manner I choose and you dont have the right to tell me what I should do. You are a vegan good for you I am an omnivore and I choose to take my place in nature, I also deserve to not have to listen to your drivel. It is like listening to Jehovas Witnesses that come to your door to save you, we dont need saving and neither does our environment....
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
It's simple, stop posting comments to me and I won't respond. I never visit this vid otherwise
you keep bringing up how animals kill each other. It's not an accurate analogy, wolves and other predators don't have a choice..
I won't question your "mental capacity" as you did mine, but I will question your reading skills... I said if you can afford to buy food, you don't need to eat meat.
As far as the name calling goes: I only made a couple of jokes, I have not personally insulted anybody..
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot I like to eat meat I enjoy it greatly, I also appreciate the animal I eat very much unlike the large majority of the epople out there who eat meat. They are the ones you should be talk at as the environmental degredation cause by commercial meat farming and suffering that those animals experience is far greater than the animals we harvest. In the last 26 years of hunting I havent had an animal suffer more than 30 seconds, most havent at all.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
I agree. I have nothing but contempt for the commercial meat industry, as I have stated.. And, I respect people that feel actual appreciation for the animals they hunt. But, my point is simple(to me anyway) if you don't need to kill something, but do anyway, how much do you really respect that creature and it's right to exist?
Your in a tough spot because you probably grew up with a deep hunting tradition and see any questioning of that as a personal assault on everything you know.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot it isn't a personal attack to me, I enjoy hunting and I hike and camp and try to spend as much time in the field as I can. I like eating meat, its texture and taste are good and I actually prefer the taste of game over beef, which leaves me with hunting. I choose to eat meat I can see your side and think that we are closer inour thinking than you give us credit for. We see the animals we hunt expire and most of us carry that back home with the animal.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
Thank you. Im sorry, but there is a core difference between us. I don't feel that taste and texture are worth somethings fear, suffering and death. And no one likes to eat more then me. If I ate meat I would be as big (fat) as a house.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot and because of this we appreciate every bite and try not to waste any of it. I have let more animals live than I have shot, if I cant kill it ethically(which to me is fast) I wont take the shot. I see hundreds of animals every year and only take home a handful. I also dont see it as immoral to fullfil a herbivores place in the food chain....to provide food for a predator. Humans are the top predator on earth and I choose to be part of the food chain.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
@jekylfoot one other point is that my children all know where their food comes from and they are given the choice to become a hunter or not and I will not force them.I choose to minimize the suffering that my life on earth is going to cause as do you that is how we are similar, vegans also cause suffering, just indirectly and I have vegan friends that agree with me, as we all use or wear things that come from other animals.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
@jekylfoot do you wear running shoes or are your footwear made from hemp, no leather clothing at all?As posted earlier are you aware that many supplements are derived from animals.We all consume you cannot live without doing it and unless you only spend your days looking into all that you use and consume and know that it doesn't affect any other living creature on this planet, then you are not so different from me(if you think you dont I call liar).
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
@jekylfoot do you live in a city...just think of all the animals that died to create that spaceall the environmental destruction. Do you burn fuel to heat your home? You have an environmental footprint and some of it is based on killing, it is impossible to completely remove yourself from this.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
@jekylfoot The simple fact of life is that in order for another species to survive, vegetarian or carnivore, something else has to die. Nature works on the system of giving life trough killing. With that said even vegetarians, no matter how much they deny it or simply choose to ignore it, are just as guilty of killing as everyone else. Now you can deny this all you want and spout forth your vegetarian = no killing agenda but youre still deadly wrong.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
@jekylfoot If youre a vegetarian because you do not like to be "guilty" for killing animals then youre sitting on the wrong horse and better would get off before you come across as a hypocrite.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
@jekylfoot I will now leave you to yourself, I hope you have learned something from us and I wish good health.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
@jekylfoot we are lucky to live in Canada where we have way more nature to enjoy than you have in the states, we choose to partake in it in a manner you dont and it doesnt makes us wrong or immoral. Yes animals feel fear but it is way less being shot than chased down by a wolf and eaten alive. You have your stance and if you notice all our posts have not been trying to seduce you into an evil way of life we just want to be left to our own, you on the other hand seem bent on trying to fix us.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
On behalf of huntwriter @ Jekylfoot It really puzzles my mind how vegetarians can sit on the high horse preaching the killing is wrong mantra. Have you ever considered how much wildlife habitat is for ever destroyed as it is turned into crop and vegetable fields, fruit orchards and villages of greenhouses? Have you ever considered how many mammals, songbirds and insects are killed with pesticides or by destroying their habitat? I guess not!
Cavemn94 2 years ago
Of course I have considered those things...
jekylfoot 2 years ago
The simple fact of life is that in order for another species to survive, vegetarian or carnivore, something else has to die. Nature works on the system of giving life trough killing. With that said even vegetarians, no matter how much they deny it or simply choose to ignore it, are just as guilty of killing as everyone else. Now you can deny this all you want and spout forth your vegetarian = no killing agenda but youre still deadly wrong.
Cavemn94 2 years ago
i love the vegans who eat their overpriced organics and dont eat meat cause they dont like to see helpless animals killed yet they dont seem to relize that those organic vegetables are grown outside where wild life roams, and heres the part that always seems to get em, on those farms you can bet more than a few animals are killed that try to eat the crops.....next time you have an argument bring that up, its funny they get all frustrated and dont know what to say after that
1989XJ 2 years ago
I am a vegan and I don't kill the creatures that eat some of my garden.. I can't controll what other people do. I doubt you will find many organic farmers that kill animals that do the things you have said. But, there are jerks in all walks of life.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
If youre a vegetarian because you do not like to be "guilty" for killing animals then youre sitting on the wrong horse and better would get off before you come across as a hypocrite.
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Cavemn94 2 years ago
By the way as this vidio was intended to showcase. Nice tent set up!! Cheers!
Cavemn94 2 years ago
If you take a look at the hunter, he too cares about the environment. Free range meat, packaging that is less harmful to the ozone than supermarket things. Really our beliefs are closer to your than you think, but unless provoked we dont usually go looking to bash the Anti Thinking as you seem to
Cavemn94 2 years ago
If we were to all evolve in vegetarians we will lose them. Until that happens, man will continue to consume meat. I prefer to eat mine organic, as nature intended, not steroid, growth hormone, store packaged slabs in plastic and cellophane.
Cavemn94 2 years ago
I find it ironic that our friend Jekylfoot keeps saying we have choice. Yes, we could buy our meat from the supermarket. but something still has to die. Unless we are all going to become vegetarians, something is going to die. Have you noticed that man was given canine teeth? Why is that? So we can shed our meat as nature intended it to be.
Cavemn94 2 years ago
Jekylfoot. Slander and name calling won't get you far. You've already lost any credibility with me (probably even your own kind) and seem quite foolish and ill equipped to debate anything at all, let alone this.
peterbabine 2 years ago
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Again, just jokes. I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Democracy gives us all a right to choose, I respect your choice, but wonder what you'd do if ever democracy goes for s shit? Where you going to buy your veggies then? With what I know of the woods, I could survive for quite some time, that's not MACHO, that survival. You???
steeleco 2 years ago 6
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Well, If our society collapses I will be in trouble, i'll give you that. Mostly because of the area I now live in, not for lack of ability.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
As far as buying tents made in the usa, I forgot I was talking to canadians... All I meant was buy local..
What the hell though. I bought two wood canvas canoes from a one man shop in nova scotia..
jekylfoot 2 years ago
And Considering Sharps is Canadian, why would he buy an American made tent. When there is a Canadian company that makes superior quality tents and is less than 100miles from his house?????
The303Brit 2 years ago
Sharps
Nice looking setup you have there, thansk for sharing
To the vegetarians out there, I am curious if plant based diets are far healthier then meat based diets why do 4 billion people eat meat? Why do hundreds of thousands of wolves choose to eat ungulates????? Why do bears have salad with their meat???? I'm pretty sure mother nature as it figured out. Those that eat meat are on the higher end of the food ladder while herbivores(vegetarians) are somewhere near the bottom???
The303Brit 2 years ago
So what do homophobic anti hunting experts on everything, do for food? They have someone else do the dirty work so they can have the T bone with a clear conscience. Sound about right???
steeleco 2 years ago 2
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Homophobic? you should meet some of my gay friends.. The "queer" comment was just a joke, poking fun at all you "macho" men out there. At least try to have a sense of humor.
I don't eat meat... no "dirty work" involved.
I don't think i'm an expert on anything, but none of you guy have offered up any real compelling arguments, as far as I can tell.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
I must have missed the part where we the "hunters" were beating our chests and slapping each other on the back for being so "Macho" As per Steeleco I'm with him it's about survival at the end of the day. I also choose to hunt becuase it is a far more humane way to put meat on the table to going to the grocery store. Not to mention it's more, whats the buzz word these days? Oh ya "Organic"
I really don't understand why people are so ignorant & compelled to hate something they dont understand
The303Brit 2 years ago
you want some arguments, im gunna take a wild guess and assume your Vegan, probably eat a fair bit of Tofu/soy , you ever look into the health side effects of that crap, it aint nice and if ya dont trust me google it and as for organic foods, according to a documentary i saw a while back the only major difference from normal food is the price, but on the other hand i do like my wild game which is organic, much better then store bought meat thats pumped full of who knows what.
1989XJ 2 years ago
I don't eat much soy at all actually, and you haven't said anything I'm unaware of.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
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If you guys are gonna be buying tents you may consider buying them from the companies that actually make them in the states, like the davis tent company...
All the canvas for these things is made overseas, and many tents as well... But there are a few american companies that make their tents here. Tents made by Bambi killing rednecks, just like you guys, no doubt...
We should buy from them, if we can afford to.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
The company I deal with is Canadian and is only a short distance from where I live so I prefer to buy locally. But I agree the more money we can keep in our respective countries the better our economies will be. I don't understand why a bambi hugging, granola munching eco terrorist such as yourself keeps on coming back to this page. One day you will admit that you are drawn by your natural instincts to the need to hunt and will get out in the woods and enjoy the bounty that god has provided us.
sharps00 2 years ago
Maybe, but it's most likely because people keep sending comments my way...
One more thing: Plastic rain flies are for queers! I take that back... no self respecting homosexual would be caught dead with an UGLY, NOISY plastic tarp covering their beautiful canvas tent.... "Man up" and spring for the canvas fly... the universe will thank you, not that you deserve it.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@sharps00
Don't get me wrong, you don't "NEED" to hunt. It is only a primitive and ancient form of food gathering. You can modernly purchase food from the supermarket with far less energy consumption and that should be your preferred option since it saves you energy and all animals follow the rule that efficient food is better food.
But if you enjoy the adrenaline of hunting and do it for a truthful reason without wasting any animals then hunting should keep you fit and healthy if ur alive.
ashthegreat 1 year ago
@ashthegreat you are correct I don't need to hunt but I do choose to hunt. I made the choice to hunt about 20yrs ago when it struck me as a young man that I was so far removed from the start to finish process of the meat I was purchasing in the store. So I made a decision that if I was going to be directly responsible for the killing of an animal buy purchasing its meat from the store then I wanted to experience the whole process.
sharps00 1 year ago
@sharps00
I admire your respect for the truth in work and philosophy that experiencing your full effects on animals will help you control your effects since you know what it's like and the value of hunting animals. Some people underrate the meat they purchase from stores and think that they can eat hundreds of pounds of meat a day like candy while they are causing chaos to the animals that stores must keep on killing to supply their meat and all this happens without the customer's knowledge.
ashthegreat 1 year ago
What I fear, is the top off one of the nearby/over-head trees, at your campsite ,coming down through the canvas on a windy day/night.
I have the opportunity to stay in a secure cabin...one stormy night,the top off a white maple came crashing onto the roof,taking the stove pipe down to the floor.We had to dowse the fire and rain was pouring through the roof.
If we had been in anything less of a shelter,someone could have been killed.
Do blow-downs occur there, often ;sharps00?
JBodine67 2 years ago
@JBodine67 To be honest I have never given it too much thought.......Great now its not just grizzly bears i have to worry about 8) We do get blow downs but I have never had a close call yet
sharps00 2 years ago
You mention grizzly bears,sharps00....I was wondering if you have had one come in and get too close for comfort?
I think the dead yearling in the tree would be quite tempting to a bear....And any grease or garbage I imagine...
We have a lot of nice black bears here...no grizzlys.I have heard that some grizzlys have no sense of humour.
JBodine67 2 years ago
You are welcome to your opinions,jekylfoot.We enjoy free speech here in Canada too.
So here is my opinion.Canadian hunters,for the most part,hunt for meat.Most of us are not trophy hunters.We abide by the laws that protect wildlife and contribute to conservation.
Your affection for wildlife is clear;but your disdain for hunting is misguided.You have an idea in your head about hunting but the reality is escaping you.Arrogance becomes a blind to proud misguided eyes.
JBodine67 2 years ago 5
Explain the reality to me, please.
There is a difference between hunting because you eat the animal and hunting out of "sincere need."
jekylfoot 2 years ago
To survive all creatures must take a life in order to live, be it a plant or an animal. We cannot produce our own energy from the sun, nor are we cynobacteria. For one group to claim superiority to another is utter nonsense! I hunt to feed my family with the healthiest 'organic' and 'free range' meat that you can consume. I know where my food comes from and where I belong on the food chain. Our brains only evolved because we had access to fatty acids found in meat. I guess you were left out.
ThomasCrown79 2 years ago
I don't remember claiming "utter superiority" but, if you consider that to be a person who tries to reduce the suffering of this world by choosing not to kill things, unless out of last resort, then you can call it what you want...
Yes, we all kill things, even the act of breathing probably consumes tiny forms of life.. But what is wrong with killing as little as possible? Is compassion something beyond your "evolved" brain
You don't have to kill a plant to eat it's fruit...
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Funny how "citified" (note I didn't say "civilized") folks have become. We've forgotten where our food comes from. Oh and FYI JF, the animals I shoot die a very quick and comparatively compassionate death when you look at the alternatives they face. Animals don't talk, they don't sleep in comfy beds in hollow trees, and their mothers don't read to them at night.
Heliox18 2 years ago
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Heliox18 2 years ago
They die from starvation, exposure, disease and infestations of parasites, or being run down and ripped apart by predators, and often eaten while still alive. My bullet is the most compassionate thing out there.
Heliox18 2 years ago
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I'm glad your a good shot..
You said:
"Animals don't talk, they don't sleep in comfy beds in hollow trees, and their mothers don't read to them at night".
Animals do communicate, they also do their best to sleep in "comfy" spots.. but your right, they probably don't read at night... it's too dark.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot how about all us hunters stop eating game and start buying beef so even more cows can be raised for slaughter instead of eating animals able to have a natural life and death,their lot in life. Their death is natural they are born to die as we all are and I will not stop eating meat I like it it is good for me. If we all ate granola it would become endangered and just think of the habitat we would have to destroy to grow more granola..go munch in solitude we dont need your opinion
gibblewabble1 2 years ago 2
@jekylfoothave you not entertained the idea we are not trying to convince you to eat meat or change your way of life to suit mine. Eat what you want I dont want someone like you in my camp I like people that are ok with others way of life and people who offer compelling conversations. As hunters we try to recruit similarly minded individuals not someone who bashes others because they dont understand them.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
@jekylfoot I dont care if your gay,vegetarian,vegan,racial ethnicity or religous just dont try to convert me I am happy with who I am and enjoy living in a country where I can do as I wish as long as it is within the law(just like the states). I am not trying to argue you over to my side because I respect that you have your own choice all I ask in return is you understand I have my own choice too even if you dont agree.Take away our choice and its not a free country RIGHT?
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
Nice looking two point . should be tasty.
Dinkinyou 2 years ago 4
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Thank you for posting such an eloquent and thoughtful comment on my youtube profile.. You are a fine example of a hunting man.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot as I stated earlier if we all became vegetarians we would have to destro alot of deer,elk,bear,duck habitat to be able to produce the amount of vegetables we would consume. I am more concerned with the populations in some countries around the world that will have a far greater impact on our civilization than killing animals for food or for farming at least when we kill an animal another takes its place unlike turning habitat to farmland=gone forever.
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
It is common knowledge that it takes 10 times the amount of our natural resources to produce a calorie of meat protein compared to a calorie of vegetable protein of equal nutritional value. The space required to feed all the beef cows could easily produce the food you are concerned about. Where do you get your info?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Reality hurts, and the reality is that each animal i have downed with my rifle has had its life ended quicker and more humane than anything mothernature could do for it.
Dont get me wrong though I love my veggies as well.
Just as long as they are in the slow cooker right next to the whitetail roast :)
brianscott1986 2 years ago
Nature has no "compassion" and does not recognize "suffering". These are mere words created by us to describe what we 'think' represents reality in an attempt to categorize what is "right" and "wrong" - in order to understand the world around us. We are creatures of 'emotions'. One negative trait of this is that emotions are easily manipulated and exploited, enough sometimes for people to abandon all logical thinking. I have the highest regard for all life, and that's why I take only what I need
ThomasCrown79 2 years ago
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Need is when you will die without it.. If that is your station, I have no problem with your killing.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Plants lack the essential fatty acids found in meat that we desperately depend on for proper cognitive and neurological development. Their protein is also 'incomplete' for our biological needs - why do you think that is? Because of a process called natural selection we've become 'wired' to eat meat, and thus still depend on that today. Just curious, what do you think of breastfeeding? Would you feed your children formula made from genetically modified soy?
ThomasCrown79 2 years ago
thats a common question. mixing rice and beans pretty much makes for complete protein. And there are supplements as well. As someone that works in construction and as someone that has fairly rigorous hobbies I don't have a problem not eating meat. I have been a vegetarian for 13 years and I'm in better shape than most people I know. I don't like gmo products and I have heard breast feeding is vital for the health of children.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
I eat the animals I harvest to fulfill the need!! I don't need to harvest them anymore then you need to harviest the vegetables in your garden. Why is it so "RIGHT" for you to harvest vegetables and so "WRONG" for me to harvest animals? Are plants not living organisms? what makes "Bambi" as you so passionately refer to them, have more rights to not be harvested then a plant? I don't stand here and bash you for your choice of harvesting plants, so why must you bash us for harvesting animals????
The303Brit 2 years ago
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As I said you don't have to kill a plant to eat it's fruit.. I don't think you can compare shooting an animal to plucking a tomato..
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Ya, cause everyone knows it fiar more humane to just remove an appendage then to quickly an efficiently kill someone. What would you say if I stunned/tranq'd a deer and then just removed one hind, I mean the deer still has 3 legs right. By your logic this would be acceptable????? I don't think so, funny how your logic is narrow and only applies to one specific area.
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The303Brit 2 years ago
Sweet set-up boys!....nice spike-horn buck too.How does it fare in windy/rainy weather?Have you used it during snowfall?...that sweet tarp looks like it would let the rain and snow slide right off.
Did it come with a floor?...or did you use a separate tarp?
My brother-in-law uses a huge canvas tent for fall hunts in Alberta, and he swears by it....got to get me one like yours.
JBodine67 2 years ago
@JBodine67 Thanks for the comments. It did not come with a floor so i just cut a tarp to size. The tent stands up to the wind and rain really well but we have not had it in any significant snow yet. but im sure since we have the woodstove inside that the snow would just melt off of it.
sharps00 2 years ago
Can't people enjoy the outdoors without killing something?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot i go many times just for camping but when i go hunting i go for food.
sharps00 2 years ago
You might consider going to the supermarket for food... judging by your shiny late model truck and new gear, chances are you can afford it. Maybe you should also consider not adding to the struggles/suffering of animals if you don't absolutely have to.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot Do you eat meat?
sharps00 2 years ago
No, I do not.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot Why not?
sharps00 2 years ago
"All life, from a tiny insect to a hot-tempered moose, has a sacred right to fulfill the measure of it's creation and in no way does this fulfillment require that a beast become sport for man
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Hunting for existence is a different proposition altogether and reflects a more serious and mature relationship with nature. Hunger is humbling and killing creates a void in the earth that is justified not by a shelf laden with trophies but rather by sincere need." Larry Dean Olsen
jekylfoot 2 years ago
I don't eat meat because I don't need to... Out of respect for other creatures I choose to refrain from killing because my life and my health do not depended upon it...
jekylfoot 2 years ago
I like this qoute "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."
God
sharps00 2 years ago
"The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature".
I would not be proud of that sentiment.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Good morning to you sir,as I send you this comment, I and my son, are getting ready to go out on the last day of the deer hunt for this season.
We live in New Brunswick.There are more hunters per capita in this province than any other;so I have a good idea what is involved in the hunt.
The reality ,sir,is that no matter what your income, or station in life,you are allowed to choose to eat wild meat or not.If a person does not choose to hunt and eat wild game,then more power to him.
Good day.
JBodine67 2 years ago
I said nothing of your right to engage in an activity, but I do question the justifications of that activity.
perhaps you can explain them on your return..
But, on a purely moral level I don't think killing things for any other reason than dire necessity can be justified, good luck trying. You may wax poetic about your lifestyle, but the things you shoot die and suffer for real. they know only survival.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot I am so sorry for you that you do not understand the basics of nature. The fear and dread is not a proud statement it is an explanation. It is telling us why we cant be "friends" with nature. Eventually the grizzly bears will eat you no matter how nice you are to them( Timothy Treadwell).It is why your pet dog will have its tail between its legs when it knows it has done something that displeases you no matter how well it is treated. In nature there is no such thing as respect......
sharps00 2 years ago
Again, a bear has no choice but to do as it does... I don't judge them for that, we're talking about human actions and human decisions. We as humans have capacities beyond that of other animals and should strive to use those capacities in the pursuit of balance and decency. In short, being good stewards.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
As far as animals living in "fear" of us, I would paraphrase something I read in one of my books on native americans:
'animals did not flee from our approach until the white man came'.
Much like when a lion or other predator is moving past other game, but is not hunting, the animals know it. They watch close, but they know they are not being hunted, so they stay put. It used to be the same with humans till the wanton aggression of the early europeans scared off all creatures. We have no respect
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot I would say that the native who wrote that book is a liar. It is well documented that natives used to "run" animals over cliffs as a form of hunting. If the animals did not fear the natives before the white man came along then why would they bother to run over the cliff. And why would groups of natives have to move their settlements as they areas they lived in became devoid of wildlife from them hunting, gathering and going about their daily life. this is why most natives where nomads
sharps00 2 years ago
I agree with you 100% sharps00...
JBodine67 2 years ago
@jekylfoot You my friend need to stop reading books and watching national geographic and experience the wilds for yourself. You will find that the eco/vegetarian lifestyle that is put forward by a mostly hollywood driven agenda is a lie going back to walt disney and his portrayal that animals have the same feelings and emotions as humans do. They do not.
sharps00 2 years ago
You think animals don't feel fear, anger, love, joy? And you question my experience?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Sir,we are justified in our activity,of hunting for meat,by adhering to the law of nature,and the law of the land.
The law of nature implies that all living things live and die...some are killed and eaten,some die from old age;either way they die.
The law of the land protects wildlife by creating hunting "seasons" and other laws like "bucks only"which conserve our natural resources.
I think you need to get your nose out of books and get "real".Your arguments reveal ignorance.
JBodine67 2 years ago
I do get out, why do you think I'm looking at videos of wall tents in the first place? I have also seen first hand how hunters show appreciation towards the creatures that help sustain their lives.. I've seen the heads, limbs, and hides of their prey strewn like garbage on trails, parking lots and the sides of roads...You still have not addressed, nor has the poster of this video, the difference between the actual need to hunt (to stay alive) and what you do. You don't hunt because u need to.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
I can see that neither one of us is going to convince the other.We have both voiced our opinions here.Thank you for an interresting conversation.I will bring this conveyance of ideas,for my part,to an end.
Good day.
JBodine67 2 years ago
Thank you. Let me ask you one last question. Do you think it is it right or just (or whatever word you want to use) to kill something that you don't need to kill? To me, that is the question.
yes, all things die. But do we have a moral right to kill(and risk great suffering with a poorly placed shot) simply because that is what we have always done, even though we are not wanting for sustenance?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
One last response:
I believe it is a matter of conscience.If one's conscience does not allow for killing for meat,then don't hunt.
My conscience allows me to go out and legally take wild game.
The question of morality:
I believe that what the Bible says is true...That all animals,both wild and domestic, are in subjection to man; by the authority of the Creator.That is the moral basis from which my conscience allows me to hunt, and eat what I kill.
JBodine67 2 years ago
@JBodine67 Good reply I feel exactly the same way as you
sharps00 2 years ago
@jekylfoot disease is far worse than a bad shot. wolves slowly eating there way towards your head from your back legs, tearing out your intestines and organs is more suffering than a quick kill from a rifle. if there still were top predators the need to hunt would be less, that said there isnt many we have to hunt to control population. for the good of both prey and humans.
enoughraptor6 2 years ago
People often say they hunt to protect the game from disease or starvation for lack of predators. yet, when wolves are reintroduced into an area the locals shoot them because the wolves are "killing the game".. you can't have it both ways.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
i agree. but thats not the only reason people kill wolves. they kill pets and farm animals. they are decimating the elk population though. because the elk are not use to it. they will learn how to survive again if given the chance. I was also speaking for the white tailed deer were i live. no predators but us. there are more now than at any other time.
enoughraptor6 2 years ago
I think it is funny when rural people complain about loosing dogs and cats to indigenous predators...... if that bothers them they should move... Or, contain their animals like the rest of us do... The "predators" near me are cars.. If i let my dogs run off, they would be dead in seconds... And quite frankly I don't care about the ranchers... I have read about and seen enough of the meat "processing" industry to loath anyone that makes a living from the suffering those animals endure
jekylfoot 2 years ago
So I guess you don't eat carrots, parsnips, radishes, cabbage, green onions, leeks, etc, because that would involve separating them from mother earth, letting them 'suffer', and then eating the very cells that kept these plants alive. You don't need to kill them - why not just eat fruit, and let these guys grow in peace? Plants ARE alive, they respond to many stimuli and 'bleed' just as animals do. You must think I'm quite sadistic for wanting to have maple syrup with my pancakes.
ThomasCrown79 2 years ago
We all do the best we can. AT least I give a shit.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Yes carrots suffer. but in eating them as opposed to meat I'm still causing much less suffering because again, it take 10 times less energy to get a calorie of veggie protein than a calorie of meat protein. Yes, some things must die for us to live, so how do we do it in the most thoughtful and efficient way? what percentage of your diet comes from meat? Even grizzly's eat 90% berries and the like.
Are you overweight like most of the hunters I know? and I know many.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot if you were able to think of an actual argument you would not start name calling like a school yard bully, you dont hear us saying things like you must be gay cause you dont eat meat (for food anyways).
gibblewabble1 2 years ago
Actually, I have an ideal BMI! I spend a lot of time trekking up in the mountains doing environmental research, so I'm probably more fit than a lot of people you may know. It's very foolish of you to stereotype all hunters. I know many vegetarians who are quite overweight due to their cravings for carbohydrates (fat from meat suppresses appetite). People should be more respectful and tolerant of others' views, without the need to propagate theirs. I completely respect yours, please respect mine.
ThomasCrown79 2 years ago
@jekylfoot The reality is I do not need to hunt. I choose to hunt and fish as a lifestyle choice. It is the same choice that you have made as a vegetarian. Here is the difference I as a hunter do not choose to try to push my lifestyle on others nor do i condemn them and try to portray myself as a higher evolved human being. I am not saying that you are doing this other than the fact that you chose to question my actions in my video. This is your right of course as this is a public domain.
sharps00 2 years ago
I have no desire to push my lifestyle on you or anybody else. Nor do I think myself a higher evolved human, I simply base my decisions out of more consideration for other creatures and actual need. That is how I try to live in balance in this world of factory "farming" and shrinking habitat
I will end by saying that I found the sight of the young dear hanging in a sac particularly off putting.. I was seeking info on my tent and did not expect to see such a thing and it spurred my first comment
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot What you need to be careful of is that you don't start to view your lifestyle as the only one that makes any sense because to me it does not make sense. When i look in the mirror and look at my teeth I can see without question that I have been engineered to eat both meat and vegetation. I have canine teeth for grasping and cutting teeth for tearing. If i want to be true to myself then I can only draw the conclusion that I am an omnivore.
sharps00 2 years ago
I have the same teeth as you and the same impulse to hunt as you. I decide my actions based on what I feel is best, not what my body may be inclined to do because of it's design. take care.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
I live in canada, in the winter here if you dont fish or hunt you die, yea i can drive an hour to the store and pick up food(if your not snowed in, great but in hard times you cant go to the sotre in buy things cuase the rich man has already bought your share, so you need to hunt and fish if you dont you die if you dont like to live thats your choice and a pretty selfish one at that have fun bagging or waiting in a bread line your closer to a depressen than you think
mrsuperterd 2 years ago
Thank you... I tried to make my comments as clear as possible, that i believe (for whatever thats worth) that people like you are the only ones that have any business killing things.. It seems to me there is a balance in your relationship with your surroundings. You kill because you have to. that seems fair to me. (again, for whatever thats worth)
...Scroll down to my second or third comment and read the quote by larry dean olsen that I copied. He says it far better than I can.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot A deer does not run from a wolf because it respects it. It runs because of the fear of being eaten alive.
sharps00 2 years ago
A wolf has no choice and lives within a balance.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot There is no balance in nature. Wolves will clean out an area of their prey then move on to another area until game becomes so scarce that they end up with disease and starvation
sharps00 2 years ago
as do I when I fulfill my place as a predator
darylfalk16 2 years ago
where did you get this I have a king james version where can i find it?
o and i guess the hippies cant see that taking less from the land is better they harvest 2k.g a day of veggies i only have to eat 1 k.g of meat and veggies i guess where the conservationist's and where the one that put money into protecting wildlife and free chase nice tent by the way looking into livving out side for 3 months next summer should be good
mrsuperterd 2 years ago
@mrsuperterd That would be Genesis 9:1-3 sorry it took so long to get back to you
sharps00 2 years ago
That pretty much sums it up for me and by hunting I am "fulfilling the measure of it's creation"
I don't trophy hunt I meat hunt and use the animal to feed my family.
I try to eat mainly wild meat as to me this is the best meat for myself and my family and is not full of anti-biotics and hormones.
sharps00 2 years ago
The quote does not sum up yourself.
You don't NEED to hunt in order to survive. You have options. If you were poor and struggling, that would be another story. Thankfully you are not, (thats why I pointed out your truck and your gear). You don't need to kill things, yet you do. I see no reverence in that.
besides, you and your family would be healthier on a plant based diet..... You can't use health or need as a justification.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot Let talk about this plant based diet. Are you aware that the majority of the vegetables that you purchase in the store are harvested by underpaid labor forces that are working in poverty conditions. Even the product of usa produce you purchase is more than likely being harvested by an underpaid and some times illegal work force. So in a sense you are contributing to this by being a vegetarian.
sharps00 2 years ago
I am aware of the working conditions that you mentioned.. I get most of my vegetables from my back yard or a local organic farm. Harsh working conditions exist in many businesses, so to say i as a vegetarian am contributing to it seems like a bit of a shaky argument to me. But, nice try My consideration extends to people as well as animals and has for a long time.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
@jekylfoot So if you have consideration for animals would you not agree that the habitat that the organic farm or even your back yard garden take should be reverted back to a natural state. It takes many hectares of prime wildlife habitat to be able to grow our food and the footprint that we leave behind with our miles and miles of farmland in my opinion are much more harmful to the worlds environment than me killing a deer every year.
sharps00 2 years ago
Yes and I do it all the time, sometimes just to enjoy nature of time I'm scouting
The303Brit 2 years ago
I do it many times a year, usually with a rifle over my shoulder.
peterrum3 2 years ago
What size tent did you get? How many guys do you think would fit in it when used for sleeping only? Ie. no table and using mil spec cots...
laughslots 2 years ago
The tent is 14x16 and would sleep 4 very comfortably and probably 6 if you wanted to be a little tight. The cots we use are the cabela's outfiter xl's that are huge so the military ones would fit alot nicer. If space is a worry get the tent made for you with the stove hole in the side up near the front then you could easily put 4 military cots side by side along the back and still have room for a table
sharps00 2 years ago
Thanks for the info and the quick reply!
laughslots 2 years ago
lol if you get the setup witn bunks bed you can fit like 15 people
CedrikTheManiac00 2 years ago
Where'd ya get that sweet tent? How much?
mrmikerotch 3 years ago
Deluxe wall tents is where I purchased it and it ran about 2500.00 including stove and poles etc.
sharps00 3 years ago
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Also as a side note on new wood stoves. Do a high heat burn outside your tent to get all the smoke and fumes that the paint on the stove gives off until it is cured. We did not do this step and spent our first hour standing outside the tent while the smoke and fumes cleared out.....DOH!!
sharps00 3 years ago
The tarp came with the tent as part of the package. It is a bit too large to see out the windows but for the most part we were only in the tent during the night time so there wasn't anything to see anyway. Pipe does go out the back and I was a little concerned about the drafting with 2 elbows put in but there was no problems at all.....
sharps00 3 years ago