Vote YES on Proposition 8 -- Bad Judges

[claire3347]

you guys are fucking idiots!!! why the hell do you care if a guy and a guy or a women or another women get married!! let them live there own lives and live yours; dont judge others.

[scenesonn]

why are you aggressive? Why is someone who doesn't agree with you an "idiot"?

The irony of your so called tolerance...

[fuhrerschein2008]

I still don't understand what the problem is. Traditional marriage isn't in danger at all. Gay people can marry and are happy, straight people still can marry and be happy as well. Just because gay people can marry there won't be more gays - if that is what the conservatives are afraid of.

So, the gay people gain something very important, and the others don't lose anything. Everybody could be happy.

[pschierhorn]

This prop 8 thing pissed me off so much... "democracy" shouldn't be about a majority depriving a minority of its rights.

[lisztnut]

I sure hope that the four judges pictured in this post have seen this. Nothing will make them throw Prop 8 as an unconstitutional revision quicker than if they see how the Yes on Prop 8 people portrayed them as "liberal" judges that ignored the "will" of the intolerant majority. In fact six out of seven were Republican appointees. I think you Yes people made a BIG mistake, and I bet the judges get even with you and throw out your little piece of hate known as Prop 8...

[iamhoops]

The judges never "took away" anyone's vote. They merely pointed out that voting on the meaning of marriage is unconstitutional because marriage is handled by religion. Voting on it's meaning is a violation of separation of church and state. Vote no on 8, but remember your rights. If there is ever a time where a judge or jury tries to force a church to perform a gay marriage ceremony, remind them of this separation. The church defines marriage, NOT the state. And not all churches have to agree.

[jademm]

"marriage is handled by religion"

Try telling that to married atheist couples!

It is very much within the state's interest to support institutions that benefit society as a whole. Traditional marriage between one man and one woman provides the best means of strengthening the family unit.

Heterosexual marriage is recognized by states and religions all around the world, past and present. In other words, church and state are consistently IN AGREEMENT on this issue.

[pookiehohn]

That vote was in 2000 it has been 8 almost 9 years people change.

[missvonkarma]

I love how people think civil rights issues should be decided by a simple majority of voters.

[abc123jan]

you better love it. lol

[barnabus]

No to hate!  No to Prop.8!

[harkeyahh]

With or without the vote it is stil unconstitutional according to the 14th amendment.

[rockytheright]

I believe in Children's rights over Adult Preference. Kids come first. Which parent would you deprive a kid of? Mother or Father? It shouldn't even be a question. Kids are entitled to both a father and a mother. I was so glad to hear even our politicians agree on that. Even France rejected same sex marriage because they recognized a child's human rights. They're not just trophies, they're people. Let's come together and vote for the kids.

[bEEarCUB]

"Let's come together and vote for the kids"

This really has nothing to do with kids at all. MANY gay couples have them, even without the rights attributed to marraige, and they still will without them. The only real effect this has is taking away protections of those children. If you claim they are hurt already, how does hurting them more help?

[bleudevil127]

Can we clarify that THREE of those judges were appointed by a REPUBLICAN governor and confirmed by the state of California voters. Its their duty to uphold and ensure our constitution "maintain[s] uniformity [under] the law".

No one is forcing anything down people's throats. The judges are doing the jobs they were appointed to do-uphold our constitution!

marriage is a right.

therefore it cannot be denied.

period.

[FullMentalPanic]

"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. Freedom is when the sheep has a gun." -Unknown

Praise be to the 3 REPUBLICAN judges with guns :-)

[Jeffrey12342001]

Please donate so we can defeat this measure. These people will stop at nothing to promote lies, hate, and bigotry, along with denying basic rights against fellow gay Californians. Our State Constitution that guarantees equality under the law for all citizens means nothing to them. America is all about Freedom, Equality, and Liberty.  These people are using religion and children to promote discrimination, bias and enact anti-American laws.

[NRL4PROP8]

Short and to the point. Good job.

[obamawill2008]

and thank god they did. we are a secular constitutional republic. a country which neither SUPPORTS OR OPPOSES religion. the only reason against gay marriage, is religious.our founding fathers built into the constitution the BILL OF RIGHTS! that was to protect minorities from the tyranny of majorities!

[r3701]

About judges overturning Prop 22: Our democracy has representative and judicial oversight. When a majority passes an initiative, judicial oversight is necessary to ensure that proposed laws do not conflict with the constitutionality of existing law and by extension to ensure that the mob mentality does not oppress the minority voice (e.g., gays). Those 4 CA judges were observing legal precedent. To write exclusionary policies into the State Constitution is discrimination at its worst. Vote No.

[bythesea509]

Hear me... Yes on 8.

[bebelove109]

I will. YES on 8!

[Bakudai]

As a nation, we began by declaring that All men are created equal. We now practically read it, All men are created equal, except Homosexuals. Soon, it will read All men are created equal, except Homosexuals, and Foreigners and Athiests. When it comes to this, I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty. To Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.

[Adeon55]

If you don't like America and Democracy, you also have the freedom to leave.

[Adeon55]

^ To Bakudai

[Bakudai]

Would you say that to Abraham Lincoln?

[Adeon55]

Ok, I'll bite. What does Abraham Lincoln have to do with you whining about how Democracy is unfair?

[Bakudai]

"We began by declaring that all men are created equal. We now practically read it, all men are created equal except negroes. When the Know-nothings get control, it will read, all men are created equal except negroes and foreigners and Catholics. When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, without the base alloy of hypocrisy."

Lincoln in a letter dated 1855

[Adeon55]

That's nice. Except for the fact that gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with the civil rights movement. In fact, it has nothing to do with rights at all, only the LABEL of "Marriage". And frankly, it is a disgusting injustice to all those who faced centuries of REAL oppression and REAL persecution fighting for their basic human rights to live free. Including Abraham Lincoln, they would be more pleased with you if you were to merely spit upon their graves.

[Bakudai]

You are adorable, and I love how you changed your argument. First it was "You have the freedom to leave if you don't like it." I showed you that it was an adaptation of a lincoln quote, so now your argument is about civil rights.

Go on, hate gay people. I know that it must totally scare you that two dudes want to get married.

F.D. : I signed the papers to help get prop 8 on the ballots because I believe in democracy and did not like that the people had no voice.

I look forward to your next bit

[Adeon55]

Your Lincoln quote was the adorable part, because you want to compare gay marriage to civil rights, when they have nothing at all to do with each other. Just because I didn't explicitly reiterate my previous statement doesn't mean it changed it. I still don't mind or care if you move to another country. Is that what you were looking to hear? Does it make you feel better? I also do not care what papers some random YouTuber claims to have signed to promote Democracy. But I did lol.

[Bakudai]

You are obviously a true scholar.

Before you fail at making personal attacks, I say we stop this youtube bickering, and you help me out here.

I don't understand the "Yes on 8" mentality. Help me out, why is there any reason at all to vote yes on 8?

[Adeon55]

My passion for this stems not from homosexual relations, which you may have noticed, are wideranging and accepted throughout CA, regardless of how all this legislation turns out. Personally, I don't care what homosexuals do. I do, however, care what some activist judges do, and overturning the explicit will of the people of California, who voted by a 22% margin against allowing gay marriage just a few years ago (on which I did not vote), doesn't sit well with me at all.

[Bakudai]

That is exactly why I included my Full Disclosure in my last post. When they legalized gay marriage I was glad that it was legalized, but upset at how they did it. That is why I signed the petition to help prop 8 get on the ballot, because the people should have the final word. However, the last vote was in 2000, and times were different then.

I just think we won't agree on this point, because I don't see how voting yes will help anything. You can have the last word, I'm going to go play WoW.

[Adeon55]

Me, too. =)

[Adeon55]

I do believe eventually it will be put into law here, but that process should come naturally, or it will inevitably face INCREASED and PROLONGED social resistance. Forcing it down the people's throat is not the way to go about it.

[puns0steel]

amen! yes on 8. yes on majority of the PEOPLE!

[obamawill2008]

and i say no on 8. and a respect for true republican rule.and a protection of the american people from the tyranny of the mob!

[myview2stuff]

The 3 branches of government were established to protect the will of the people, not completely ignore millions of voters who already let their voice be heard.

Remind these 4 judges who they are supposed to we representing--WE, the PEOPLE--not their own opinion.

Vote YES on Prop 8.

[obamawill2008]

again the founding fathers created the bill of rights to protect all minorities(i'm sure gay too) from people such as yourself my view!

[sonamerica1790]

Those four California judges are clearly a case of an out-of-control arrogant judiciary legislating from the bench. The definition of marriage should not be left up to four lawyers. We do not live in a dictatorship. We live in America.

[obamawill2008]

would you be calling the judges arrogant if the decision went the other way?! why not just be honest, and simply say that you HATE liberal minded justices in favor of conservative minded ones.

[jerrydoubleu]

3 branches of gov. est. by our founding fathers with their wisdom to know in advance the oft madness of the majority. Vote no on 8. And note, Connecticut has joined Mass, and California in seeing the good and the light.

[cryan71]

Damn republican judges doing their job!