The 9/11 Truther Problem

[klnine]

F glen beck ! asshole , come visit me Beck !

[Mech434]

He said it alll

americans are gonna get orderout of caos

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[unclesamsnephew666]

"There should be absolutely no doubt Glenn Beck is a government disinfo operative tasked with taking down the 9/11 truth and patriot movements"

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you paranoid lunatics never fail to amuse me with your arrogance-ignorance routine.

alex jones is a child molestor. everyone knows it.

[kskorcz]

i find it scary that now days our media can make terroists out of any orginazation that they want.

[mjh012363]

@DiscoBlasphemia "There should be absolutely no doubt Glenn Beck is a government disinfo operative tasked with taking down the 9/11 truth and patriot movements"

Um..Beck is well known for slamming the Obama administration you know the government. So how is he "no doubt a government disinfo operative"?

[jazzfan5000]

@ibbo1 Ummmmmmm... ya think?? :-S

[autumncathedral]

Popular Mechanics is owned by the Hearst Family who Theodore Roosevelt once said, "He is the most potent single influence for evil we have in our life." His heirs have openly admitted their allegiance to his views. In addition, American Free Press revealed that Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old senior researcher who authored the Popular Mechanics 9/11 article, is related to Michael Chertoff, the former Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

[jazzfan5000]

@autumncathedral This has been addressed so many times it's sickening... NO! NO! and NO! Ben Chertoff has no relation WHATSOEVER to Michael Chertoff! If you would stop doing research on Truther blogs and go to a library every so often maybe you would figure this out!

[autumncathedral]

@jazzfan5000 You are truly daft. His own mother admitted that they were related in a phone call that was confirmed by the ass in question. You really are a fucktard.

[jazzfan5000]

@autumncathedral And that's your argument? Call me a fucktard? Real good! WELL, YOU'RE AWESOME!!

[tainorebelde1]

I wonder if Beck will not call Rivera....a "nut job?"

[OneVoiceMore]

"It will take time to restore chaos." George W. Bush

[99Eternal]

Interesting how Glenn Beck can't think of a single bad thing to say about the truth movement besides that we are nut-cases, wackos.

The truth movement is made up of patriots, constitutionalists and civil libertarians. We're nuts, alright, for freedom.

Don't worry Glenn, you won't have to live with us wacko's soon enough. A Revolution isn't far off, and I have no problem eliminating those guilty of 9/11 and anyone who supports them.

Can you say Desert Eagle .50 cal, Mr. Beck?

[Lifeisadeathmatch]

bullshit most of 9/11 truthers are REAL DAMN PATRIOTS these guys who defend the fed and the official theory are TRAITORS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

(if some guys are wining now, look at the facts and put off fox news)

god bless america

greetings from switzerland

[doughauf]

Bush was posioned because of 9/11.  He wanted to tell the truth. He was posioned at the g8 summit!!!!!!!!

[CaptMandrake360]

Glenn Beck, is absolutely right in this video. The truthers, seem to think that it is in everyones best interest to supplant truth with their psyop. No one agrees with this. The only reason why truthers think like this, is because they don't have any credibility. They're desparate. Alex Jones, is one of these people that can't seem to achieve any credibilty whatsoever. He sells out his movement, every chance he gets.

[Monsterofthedeep94]

Fuck that news reporter i'm a 9/11 truther your just brain washed by the goverment 9/11 was an inside job!!!!!

[kidsputnik]

I love hearing Glen Beck talking about the dangers of wild conspiracy! I don't think the guy has every uttered a single word on television that was not wild conjecture or hyperbole, or flat out nonsense.

[keflar5]

drips puss lol pure class, Alex goes into anger mode? He lives in anger mode the fucking giant, he needs to shut up a bit when he has guests on though

[sclf]

Ultimate insult, Glenn Beck thinks truthers are crazy.

[bofors7715]

Somebody should fly a plane into Beck's gapping asshole.

[NefariousEquivocator]

1033 architectural and engineering professionals

and 6559 other supporters including A&E students

have signed the petition demanding of Congress

a truly independent investigation.

[iamborghini1]

i stopped watching after the guy with blonde hair and blue eyes appeared...

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

truthers, birthers, flat-earthers, jfkers, holocaust-deniers, moon-hoaxers, global warming-deniers, deathers, and such think all in the same exact fashion.

[loccysmif]

Hmmm, let me see.

Truther? No. A 9/11 researcher. Birther? No. Flat-earther? No. JFK-er? Yes. Holocaust-denier? No. Moon-hoaxer? No. Global warming-denier? No! Deathers? What is that?

Furthermore, I am a 9/11 researcher, but I have a lot of disagreements with truthers. I think JFK was murdered by his own administration, but I have a lot of disagreements with other JFK researchers.

You generalize incorrectly and attempt to use the logical fallacy of "Guilt by Association". Big failure.

[loccysmif]

Please see:

en. wikipedia. org /wiki/Association_fallacy

for a formal analysis of this oft used smear tactic employed by Glenn Beck and Youtubers such as "RiveraMichaelAnthony".

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

Oh, I almost forgot, You fail epically.

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

Guilt by association is used as evidence of an argument for a point. What I said wasn't evidence to an argument; it was the argument. Did I say truthers were wrong because they think exactly like the other groups? Did I say they were wrong at all? Nope, I only made an observation. and you only made assumptions.

Next time study your own train of illogical thought before you try and fail to cite others.

[loccysmif]

Oh, I see, your comparison of 9/11 'truthers' to Holocaust deniers was benign. Your comparison quite obviously reflects favorably on 'truthers' and so it was intended. Right? Who do you think you are fooling?!

Regardless, did I say you said 'truthers' were wrong because of your fallacious argument? No.

That is your second logical fallacy: the straw man argument.

en. wikipedia. org /wiki/Straw_man

Lastly, guilt by association (a fallacy) can never be used as 'evidence' for an 'argument'.

[loccysmif]

I could suggest that you take your own advice, but that requires a modicum of intellectual integrity which is conspicuously absent on Youtube, for both "truthers" and "debunkers".

[loccysmif]

Oh and one more thing. Did your parents suffer under German occupation? Mine have. So kindly keep your ignorant American trap shut with your Holocaust denial smear tactics.

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

Again, you've only made assumptions. Your claim that I made a straw man claim is based on another assumption. I haven't argued truthers were wrong or right. You have been debating by yourself on that issue. By all means, continue amusing yourself.

[loccysmif]

Right. Let's see just how that works.

You think exactly like rednecks, teabaggers, born again christians, pedophiles and fascist pigs.

(Please don't mind me. Just making an "observation". Please don't make "assumptions" about that. You would just be "debating yourself".)

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

I don't agree with your observation. There. Done.

[loccysmif]

Ah. But why? My observation is valid. There. Another bare assertion.

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

If you had stuck with something along the lines of that, you would have been fine. Instead you played the pseudo-intellectual by claiming guilt by association when clearly it wasn't, and never argued against the observation itself.

[loccysmif]

"clearly it wasn't"

Why not? An observation is not immune to logical fallacy.

Please explain how you had positive or neutral intentions when you compared the thinking of 9/11 truthers to Holocaust deniers.

I don't have to argue against a fallacious argument (which you call "observation"). That's the whole point. Are you a scholar or not?

[loccysmif]

Comparing or associating a person or a group with Holocaust is tremendously insulting, as is a comparison to flat-earthers and birthers.

It implies anti-semitism, stupidity and other racist tendencies. If you had wanted to avoid this criticism, you should have been more careful making sweeping generalizations. That's your problem, not mine.

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

Yes, it implies many things, which is why you can argue against my observation, but not call it illogical, when it is not.

[loccysmif]

An observation is an opinion. An opinion is an argument. Arguments are prone to logical fallacies. Your argument is fallacious.

Somehow you think that renaming your argument into "observation" gets you a get-out-of-jail free card. Well sorry, that's not how it works. A makes claim P. ("conspiracy theory") Bs also make claim P. ("conspiracy theory") Therefore, A is a B. ("A and B think alike")

xrl. us/bgfq4p

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

Where in my first comment did I mention "P"?

[loccysmif]

Are you familiar with elliptic arguments and the "principle of charity", RiveraMichaelAnthony?

Without a P, your "observation" (argument) is invalid also. Therefore, P is inferred from context. There is only thing that generally binds these labels together in the context you put forth: conspiratorial thinking.

If that inference is incorrect, please clarify. However, if you do not clarify your "observation", your argument lacks a premise and is therefore also invalid.

=)

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

Ah. I need to make a correction. I do have a P:

That truthers, Holocaust-Deniers, birthers and such think exactly alike.

The problem is you continue to look for a different P I didn't make and call the Actual P an association tactic for the fictitious P you continue to claim I make.

So you are arguing against a claim I didn't make in place of the actual argument, because it's easier to attack. Oh, what was that called again?

[loccysmif]

In that case, your argument is a bare assertion, and thus invalid.

=)

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

That's not a bare assertion at all.

Bare assertion formula:

Fact 1: X claims statement A.

Fact 2: X claims that X is not lying.

Conclusion: Therefore, A is true.

When did I say someone else said that Holocaust Deniers, Truthers ect think alike, then said that they said they never lie, therefore it is true?

My comment was not even remotely of that nature. Are you even trying?

[loccysmif]

Yes. You now either have the choice to say that you are unsure about your own observation or you have committed the bare assertion fallacy. Correct?

I take it that you will not claim that you are not lying then?

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

I'm sure of my observation and I have not committed any bare assertion fallacy. Man up to the debate and say my point is wrong. I'll say why I'm right. You'll say why I'm wrong. Are you still intimidated by this?

[loccysmif]

"Are you still intimidated by this?"

No. Your observation is wrong because I have provided you with an exception to your hasty generalization.

en. wikipedia. org /wiki/Hasty_generalization

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

How do you know the generalization was hasty? Could have been the product of debating all of these groups use the exact same tactics for debate, like say-running in circles instead of actually debating the point of contention, or perhaps, citing Wikipedia articles in place of any meaningful dialogue. Assuming again?

[loccysmif]

No, you said (and I quote) these groups "think all in the *exact same* fashion".

(emphasis mine)

Are these not your literal words? Who is running in circles here? I'm citing Wikipedia to provide sourced support for my arguments. I do this as a service to the discussion and to the neutral observer who might not be aware of the jargon, not to derail it.

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

You have been the one running in circles, all day. You couldn't handle seeing a comment you didn't agree with and instead of moving on with your life, you went on a poorly thought out effort to invalidate my comment with claims it wasn't logical. Don't read YouTube comments if you can't handle seeing disagreement.

[loccysmif]

It's all good RiveraMichaelAnthony. I thank you for engaging in this discussion, because I found it to be very educational. I apologize for any harshness before. There's something lacking in my characterization of your argument (I'm not calling it an "observation" anymore). Where is the P? I'm still thinking about it.

Is it correct to say you were saying:

A = B = C = D = E because you were using a phrase like "think all in the exact same fashion"?

Not really. It'll take some more thought.

[loccysmif]

I don't want to win the discussion, I want to get it right. I'm going to think about this one for a while. Very interesting.

I'm certain about the "hasty generalization", but uncertain about "guilt by association" etc. at this point. The logical structure doesn't fit.

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

Once again you are calling something you don't agree with illogical and failing to understand the definition of every logical fallacy in the process. If you are too afraid to argue against me, say it now. Stop trying so hard to box my point of contention into a corner by trying to call it something it's not, then conveniently walk away without refuting me.

[loccysmif]

Are you unsure or sure about your "observation" (argument) is all I would like to know. That settles the matter, doesn't it?

Otherwise, please provide reasoning why the various elements in your set are comparable.

I'm not conveniently walking away. I must admit I'm very curious where this goes.

[RiveraMichaelAnthony]

An observation can't be called a logical fallacy if it is not in the context of any argument whatsoever. The point of executing the fallacy is to prove a case, though illogically. I wasn't making any case; I merely made an observation that I'm sure you disagree with. In essence, you are trying to call my comment illogical because you don't agree with it and only because you don't agree with it.

[OK2BCK]

Their associations of truth seekers with 'terrorists' and 'crazy gunmen' really is desperate act of criminals, who can broatcast themselves; but I'm affraid that this can even affect some actually intelligent people who are too busy to wake up. I felt horible sadness when watching those guys manipulating thousands of souls against the truth. Please think for yourself, you won't do anything wrong.

[evilfreethinker]

Inside Job!

[ctcole77]

OUTSIDE JOB!

[GIANTPANCAKES]

dammit Glenn Beck, he is just being used to make the real truthers look like crazies its all their plan......

[BablyonsKing]

When the revolution breaks out I bet you glenn pecker head beck will be the most sought out piece of shit on the planet they go after. They'll be stickin donkey dicks up his ass on fox news.

[bkury64]

what revolution? are you on drugs?

[DiscoBlasphemia]

revolution = A fundamental change in political organization, or in a government or constitution; the overthrow or renunciation of one government, and the substitution of another, by the governed.

the nwo kinda has their own revolution.

they want to change all the laws that guarantee us our liberties.

democracy is a big pile of donkey poo.

on drugs? arent we all on some drugs?

whether it be weed, alcohol, powder or vaccines ;-)

[SuperBigGulps]

Almost he entire country is on drugs, especially those who arent smoking marijuana or using cocaine, heroin, or meth.

[DiscoBlasphemia]

i choose to smoke weed. and i choose to not run to the doctor after every little booboo. doctors just make u eat pills and get vaccine shots. u feel hurt? take a pill. got headaches? take a pill. cant sleep? take a pill. gotta suicide wish? take all the pills at once. this is like when someone needs love. and you give him 20 dollars to get a blowjob from a cheap whore. THIS "literally" SUCKS! welcome to the system.

[VinceFoster1]

@DiscoBlasphemia I do the same sir, and I am 49 and I still get looks from girls

in their 20's. I never go to the doctor. And when I do, they fuck me up. They are basically criminal whores working for the same people that did 911. Zionist, Jews, Jesuits, Thugs. The AMA is a criminal org. We are slaves in the USSA. They drug us with flouride in the water to make us passive. We are in a giant worker slave camp like Auschwitz. Watch "Cole in Auschwitz" It was a work camp, not a death camp.

[TimelessLuso]

Glenn should be raped by a horse, the problem is that he would like it and no horse deserves such punishment.

[jazzfan5000]

@TimelessLuso I actually have to side with Glenn Beck on this issue. He and the guest on his show have pointed out that when bad things go down, there are extremists who will side with those people and it's sickening. Granted, I don't like Glenn Beck AT ALL but this is one issue that I agree!

[Steenville]

av8er152; so for you this was all about getting the glorious opportunity to be able to call the 9/11 truthers wackos. Congratulations, av8152. The problem here is, with people like you as citizens, it gets quite a lot easier for the fascists now in power in the USA and other places around the globe, to move on with their agenda of censorship and removal of freedoms from the people. Glenn Beck has no reason to be pissed of at 9/11 truthers- they have hard evidence of inside job, in fact.

[DiscoBlasphemia]

how is anyone on tv not a lying bastard?

1. everyone who reads off a sheet written by some other person

is a TOY!

2. beck (and others) turn 180 degrees all the time

first they say one thing next day something else

3. beck acts like he warns people from the fed and corruption

but next day he compares truthers with white supremists and al-qaeda

truthers want to free the people

tv enslaves them

ALL OF TV!

[Steenville]

I agree, DiscoBlasphemia- try to explain that to av8ert152. Another obedient, well meaning citizen who gladly participates in taking away people´s rights because of their opinions..

[DiscoBlasphemia]

well he was right about one thing. they hate us truthers :D and i love it lmfao i know this behaviour. like some kid is doing some bs and points the finger on another kid. and the teacher punishes the wrong kid. beck is a sold out finger pointer. and always put as many people under one hood. al qaeda, white supremists & truthers????? that's like the connection between jesus coming back from the dead and bunnies who hide eggs lol come on now! grow up ;-)

[Steenville]

I don´t think the comparison to the schoolyard is good. People like av8er152 are dangerous to a society that wishes to support freedom. As people like him/her (and Glenn Beck) don´t mind taking away the rights of 9/11 truthers the fun part ends and tyranny takes over- that is the point we are at and that is why I can´t accept the attitude/namecalling from the official USA, as this person actually represents. 9/11 truth isn´t for fun- 3.000 people died and we need a real investigation.

[DiscoBlasphemia]

99% agree.

actualy i think the school comparison aint that wrong.

remember that saying "boys with toys"?

the bigger the boys get the bigger toys they need u know..

now they're men and they can kill millions of people

without feeling one bit of remorse.

while others can't even hurt a fly.

i learned first hand that kids can be cruel.

as the get old the kids stay the same but the playground gets bigger.

and more people will get hurt.

[Steenville]

You have a point there, DiscoBlasphemia- very well said.

[DiscoBlasphemia]

likewise my friend, likewise.

[Steenville]

av8er152; if you really believe his lie- that von Brunn is a hero in 9/11 truhter circles- then you will not understand my opinion. And you obviously don´t. Or have you just not watched the TV clip? Don´t bother to answer, I don´t even want to hear about it.

[Steenville]

Glenn Beck is a lying bastard.

[TheTruthBureau]

Ron Paul !

He may not be completely right.but he is the only person on our government to have the balls to question the system.The rest are mixture of sheeps and YES men.

A lot of groups benefited from 911.But the biggest looser is the American people not only will lost people but we lost all our liberties and creditability around the world.That was what intended.

That what happen when you force democracy,Now we have to get ours back !

[Aetopus]

They're lying because the 9/11 truth movement grows steadily stronger. Eight years & still the 9/11 Truth Movement does not rest. Eight years it has taken for this show & others like it to air. And who knows what the next 8 years will unravel. Get ready to all those who still doubt, who scream, call us crazy, shake their fist, block the truth and shout. Because 9/11 was an inside job, of this there is no doubt!

[setokaiba22]

When shit hits the fan and we win the war - lets have a specially made concentration camp for Beck :)

[DiscoBlasphemia]

i would rather put them into a big brother container on tv for my amusement..

but a fema camp emergency holiday should do the trick too lmao

let's have a new show called "another one bites the dust"

starring kissinger, rockefeller, cheney, larry king etc

think about the ratings!

[snappa52]

order out of chaos! Bush can't help but to spill the beans on his illuminist ways. glenn beck is a spineless worm. he makes me sick. muslims dont hate us, they hate our gov't meddling in their lives. the world doesnt hate us either. sick propoganda

[He101A]

Ron Paul is a terrorist.

[wmarcus1203]

If that's true, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and John Adams could have been considered terrorists

[metalwizard13]

glen beck is a weiner. who would take advice from this jackass anyway? just because he's got a tv show don't mean shit. just one look at the guy and I know I wouldn't even stop this guy to ask for directions...c'mon people.

[mds1993]

who is alex jones talking to?

[DiscoBlasphemia]

jason bermas..

i think it was from the infowarrior show..

either way its infowars ;-)

and i think there was a caller in the background aswell..

[911insidejob81]

GLENN BECK = government, CIA propoganda teleprompter reader

who is psychopath?

RIP more than 1300 000 Iraqi civilians

RIP 3000 people , who were killed in 9/11

and that murder is not any of 9/11 truthers hero!!!

[totallytruebullshit]

haha glen beck is godzilla it hasnt bin proven but i have it on good word that he is, bat man told me and he wouldnt lie.. i know because other wise he would have his own show on fox news, fuk you 911 truthers quit trying to bring down the country everybody knows it was the cave man osama and his gang of towel headed freedom hating virgin lover friends who knew that flying 2 airliners would bring down 3 buildings you know how they knew cause there smart,

[evoke1988]

let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracies theories pertaining to the events of September 11th which try to shift the blame away from the terrorists

[jason591]

Do people actually watch this guy? Hes soo full of dis-information you'd have to be retarded to believe any of it.

[ChangeTheRide]

I heard Glenn beck has no anus. He also secretly rapes dogs I think, that's the early report. Or maybe it's cats, it's not confirmed yet though. Also, he eats boiled eyelids of homeless children for some reason. He's really sick.

[DiscoBlasphemia]

"I heard Glenn beck has no anus."

well.. then he must be pooping out of his mouth a lot.. ON AIR!

lmao

[GuerrillaNewsChannel]

great vid mate!!Keep up the hardwork~~Guerrilla

[TheInfoTechWarrior]

oh go and get a life, obviously the name fits what you're about!!!

[bjorncyc]

Glenn Beck exposed himself to my sister.

[CanadaLarry]

May I be so bold as to make a brand new Canadian saying?

A foolish man can bury himself with his own words"

Is it not time the government retired Mr. Glen Bech, perhaps to a deserted island somewhere with no people so he can reflect or contemplate on his mistakes in life.

Well maybe Georgia, near the stupid "Guide Stones" or whatever they are called, so he can go and kiss them every day.

[libertarianjury]

You stupid asshole, Glen. Just when I started to like you, you're comparing 9-11 truth movement to a lone, isolated, racist anti-semite. You fucking moron.

There's no connection. Did your handlers tell you to say that?

[ridethespiral23]

yea I know I started to like Glenn to until I heard this............

[melvyd2]

Glen, Glen, Glen....Don't know if it's ture or not but you'll throw it out there anyway to do all the damage you can. Pure propaganda.

[wapi6]

conspiracy theories or conspiracy practics ?

[Elmeromero1]

The irony is that some people who went against Fox news, and all basic media, trusted upon this man. I've never trusted this man, and all others who act like they speak truth.

[TheInfoTechWarrior]

i've always hated this cunt, alot of guys really bought into this dickhead hahahaha.

[Diatonic135]

what about government extremism?