@stevehammes Not to sound rude but are you blind? A Maybachs grill looks nothing like that, this car was modeled after BMW (interior), Lexus (body style) and Mercedes (grill and lights) that's what Hyundai is competing with so that's what they aimed for in the design. Nowhere near a Maybach in class or style.
The only way I think Hyundai is going to get any respect for its luxury vehicles the Equuss the Genesis is by making either a whole new brand thats sounds more luxurious than hyundai... Though i love their equus and genesis I still shy away because people will say nice car what is it? A hyundai...
@SahijApple93 So it's a Hyundai. Only MB and BMW are 'true' luxury car company's in the class; even Audi doesn't qualify as they are VW's. Do people really not know in this day and age that Acura is Honda, Infiniti is Nissan, and Lexus is Toyota? THose brands don't have the brand power that MB or BMW, or oddly Audi does; simply because people do know who makes them. Luxury branding doesn't seem to work for cars. Better to make a solid product and be honest about it, it's not going to hurt.
@SahijApple93 you sound like a stupid american. who cares what other people think do what you want and get the car if you want. a lot of bmw and mercedes reliability arent all that great get a hyundai genesis and you get speed luxury sportiness and great value withut giving up reliability and 10 10000 thousand mile warranty unlike other car companies. you buying a hyundai in my opinion is a smart choice in the long run you will save and hyundai will end up being a top player in 2012
guys i accept this car is fantastic but hyundai themselves prove that you should not drive a luxury car with hyundai badge on it. and thats why there is no any hyundai badge on it and whats more other luxury car brands have there own name and dealer network and that adds cost to there cars.
@g37muflih hyundai dosent wanna do that. the equus was the most shopped premuim luxury car. people need to start looking at hyundai as a huge threat to other companies even if some dont think so. the 2012 genesis almost 500 hp it has a higher output then any of its competitors. if hyundai keeps going good they will beet the crap out of all these other luxury cars and sports cars maybe not all of them but most of them. and youll get the reliability that most luxury cars and sports cars dont have
I've owned the Genesis for 1 month. I've ridden in BMWs, Mercedes, Lexus, Infinitis, Acuras, VWs, and Volvos. Admittedly the European cars have stiffer handling & more sporty performance feel so if you're looking for this, the Genesis is not for you. But for you critics who think the Genesis is not as smooth as Lexus, Infiniti, or Acura-you are delusional. Smoothness of ride & quietness of cabin are on par with the Japanese competitors. I dare you to take a blindfolded ride to prove my point
@Motorfordtoyota wait till all their new cars come out in 2012 youll change your mind with more hp and torque more luxuriness and sportinesss hyundai will outbeat lexus and cadilllac in notime
@pattycarljackson They will Lexus because of Toyota's slipping quality. Just like I always say, quantity ruins quality. But Cadillac has an amazing interior right now. And they have the fastest production sedan in the world, so no Hyundai will not surpass Cadillac. Also Caddi has heritage of luxury cars, Hyundai has a reputation of small, cheap, beater, POS cars.
@Motorfordtoyota true but look at their first two luxury cars the genesis sedan and equus. they turned out amazing for it to be their first entry into the luxury and sporty sedan area. yeah cadillac has great interior and great cars but if a hyundai comes along just as great as a cadillac and maybe even better and people realize how good hyundais are why are people gonnna keep spending more on a cadi when they can get a hyundai with good quality reliability and an unbeatible warranty.
@pattycarljackson For me atleast, Im not sayign this for everyone. I dont want a Korean car. Simple as that. Also, for 70 grand, I could have a CTS-V 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, extremely comfortable interior, smooth ride, 25 mpg, ect. ect.
@Motorfordtoyota no you do make a good point but just like for me i will never want a cadi honda bmw mercedes porsche toyota lexus. they are a huge rip off
@pattycarljackson Also, its damn near impossible to Comapre Hyundai's first luxury car to Cadillac's since there is a 110 year difference. (Estimated). Just sayin
@Motorfordtoyota as i said look at their first luxury car and look how it came out to be. its great and beets a lot fo luxury cars theat are out there and its their first one thats what i was saying. so just saying
much nicer than the ugly new e class and the audi a6 with the ugly monster grill!10 years ago i never thought i would drive a hyundai-but the genesis changed my point of view.
I've driven an 08 535 with Sport package and the Genesis 3.8 V6...The Handling doesn't come close. The Genesis needs an added sport package to keep up with the Germans,
Cadillac, Porsche, and Lexus are the only companies ahead of Hyundai in overall quality, but since Hyundai is a mass market make Hyundai leads in mass market quality.
KIA will make all of the company trucks, and Hyundai will make all of the cars.
Its a strategy to further optimize reliability. KIA Makes tough little reliable trucks, and shit cars. Hyundai makes Shit Trucks, while its cars are among the very best in reliability.
The Goal is for KIA to be the quality and reliability leader in 18-36 months. Its not a hard task as KIA is 9th place out of 34makes in quality.
Toyota is in 8th place, Honda 7th, Ford 6th, Merc 5th, Hyundai 4th
KIA can make the truly cheap stuff for us, for now on.
KIA will get a Genesis as well. It will be sportier, and cheaper than the Hyundai version. It will be called K9 in Korea. K9 will be Near Luxury and Genesis will be Luxury.
KIA will be cheap small and Mid sized cars, and near Luxury Big cars. Hyundai will be Premium (Near Luxury) small and Mid sized cars/CUVs, and Luxury Big cars/SUVs.
Do you know that 2011 Sonata has 3 less HP than Lexus IS and the Sonata is a 4 banger, and Lexus is a fucking V6!!! The Sonata also has 9 more MPG than IS, and Sonatas can be just as equipped as Lexus IS.
You Luxury Traditionalists have underestimated fuel economy for so long. You saw that as an Economy car thing.
Well Hyundai didnt have that luxury, they started out late, they have to make new standards.
Both or Accent and Elantra will have leather, etc.... Hyundai is starting to do Alcantara interior trims as well, and the 2010 Azera is the first vehicle to get this, but Sonata, Elantra, and Accent will be next.
They are even talking about a supercar based on an Equus.
You guys will respect us in10 years, and we will earn that respect too. Just like we scared the Economy car brands, now e are going to do our old stratge in the Luxury market.
Ford's talking about getting rid of Lincoln and Mercury becuase they're going to drag their CAFE down. They say if Hyundai is successful they might follow Hyundai upmarket too in the long term.
Even Lexus says he have to keep our eyes on Hyundai, and Benz is bring its small cars over from Europe, to counter any threat from Hyundai's new small cars, which will be the best. If you think Genesis, Sonata, Equus, Tuscon are transformations that new Elantra and Accent will be even better.
Hyundai will be the best Luxry Brand in the fuure. We will upmarket everything from Accent to Equus,and youll suck it up and get used to it.
We will become an affordable Korean Benz, and you mesage willbe Luxury shoul be about Extreme Fuel Economy. Hyundai is the leader in Fuel Economy.
Even ourbig boy Genesis and Equus have supeior fuel economy for the size, and I even hear Genesis will get GDi, and it soon enough it will beonly big V8 sedan in America is 30+ MPG. GDI=more power too.
jvjobi: I saw in your profile u are japanese, so u don't count, ur just sad and angry. Ja penis fag likes to pay 20,000 more for the same thing, also ja penis likes electrical shitty german cars. LOL
LOL a few?? Hyundai Genesis sedan and Genesis coupe are going very very well, so it means people are saving 20,000 and driving a Lux Genesis instead of a electrical shit BMW. Ur just sad jap fagot. ^^
LOL as u said Hyundai's FIRST Luxury car, while Germans and Japanese have been making cars for close to 100 years...^^
U know german cars have the reputation of having shitty electrical systems. Whos stealing customers from Lexus and BMW, Mercedes? Hyundai...no u cry. HAHAHAHA!!!
Mmm, wrong. Since you don't seem to understand in proper type, I'll use emphasis. THERE IS NO OTHER FULL SIZE CAR WITH ALL OF THE GENESIS' FEATURES FOR THIS PRICE PRICE. PERIOD.
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You are simply wrong. You just said it is a value dollar for dollar. So, car for car how is it valuable? By your logic, any full size car with an over sized engine is valuable. So, why don't you go get a Crown Victoria? That costs even less, is that more valuable?
As for your last comment, there are no other full size cars with the Genesis' features for the price? You are simply wrong again. There are several cars with more features for less money. There really are, go look.
Sorry, where is fuure? I imagine it won't be hard to be the best luxury brand there... Although you may have to compete with Hitler.
"We?" Do you work for Hyundai? If that's the case, you should stop what you are doing now because you are suggesting that Hyundai doesn't care what people want and will continue to make other things instead regardless. Also, I think luxury is many things, not just fuel economy. If that's all Hyundai can do, they aren't very luxurious.
Look at the other Luxury makes, most of them can do performance only.
Humm.... maybe that's why the Koreans arent following the usual Luxury Rubric. Do you know that its going take so long for many established luxury companies to meet new CAFE standards? Hyundai will meet these standards next year (4 YEARS EARLY) with its new lineup.
Hyundai is going to take advantage of this fact,and refine all of its cars for Luxury. Sme Luxury companies wont make it due to CAFE
Also, based on your short vulgar outburst; I am going to assume you know I am right and had nothing intelligent to say about my previous arguments so instead of countering you just pouted and wined.
Well, why even waste my time. Hardly anybody in the room agrees with you. You are one of the worst Anti-Hyundai Racists and haters Ive ever seen online.
Most people have changed their tunes about Hyundai, but you and the few haters left are still 10 years behind the rest of the country.
I dont work for Hyundai, but Ive been a Hyundai guy before it was cool to be one. They started making decent cars about 13 years ago, good ars 10 years ago, and great car 5 years ago.
No, actually you were wrong. I like a few Hyundai cars. My problem is with the Genesis and that Hyundai went about it very wrong. It could have been a nice car, something to be proud of. But, it isn't...
You said you read all of the previous posts, it should all be there. Obviously they aren't proud of it enough to put their own logo on the grill. That sums it up really. I'm not going to bother explaining any further because I simply don't care. That and I was really just here for this other kid who thought he knew better... Now, THAT was fun!
Then maybe they are moving in the right direction. I read about the car before it came out and they had two at an auto show, one with the badge and one with out. The one with a badge looked way better and there really was no reason to go with out it. Also, I heard they wanted to launch the car under its own luxury brand but that would cost too much. So, it seems as though they made last minute quick fixes instead. Either way, water under the bridge as far as I am concerned.
Its also going to get GDi, which might give the V6 Sedan 30 MPG on the highway.
Yeah it would have cost Hyundai $2 Billion just to get the brand started, and even more billions in R&D costs. A big risk for a big unknown.
Its easier for them to just upmarket the Hyundai Brand slowly, and turn everything under Genesis into AFFORDABLE NEAR Luxury cars for now. Plus, they figure they can make more money that way.
Chrysler customers are jumping ship to Hyundai as well.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I do agree the styling is more generic than anything comparable. But it's not a bad looking car by any means. It's one helluva value dollar for dollar compared to everything else in this price.
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Yeah, a good point that he doesn't know what he is talking about and left after a few comments because I proved him wrong... Remember how you left too? The difference is, you keep comming back with nothing new where as most people realize when they have lost and never return.
You really are a child aren't you? This whole time I have been arguing with an 8 year old huh?
Yeah, 15 years worth of Navigator, Boxster, Qx45 and what else? Keep dreaming, maybe one day you will get to drive a car assuming you pass your drivers license not to mention a psychological exam.
This fat, bald, smelly Italian will spend his whopping 45K on a car. He will weight 10 pounds less after selling one of his kidneys to come up with the money, but he will drive a nice fucking car, because he's had it enough with itgeek on Youtube.
Yeah, right. Do me a big fucking favor, and get your ass over to Lincoln dealer. Don't even think about going to decent folks at Hyundai.
Are you lying again? Why the fuck would a fat, lying, loser Italian fuckhead like you spend enormous 45K on a piece of metal that will depreciate, the moment you drive off the lot?
I can picture you dragging your fat ass with bald head, visiting these redneck dealers and asking questions after ridiculous, shitty questions about cars, and then leave day after day without buying.
I don't think any salesperson will appreciate smelling your pizza fart.
Everything you've been saying applies to Lincoln MKS. The latest sales data supports that better than any lies you've been spreading. If you like MKS so much, why don't you buy the damn thing?
Why? You can't afford the car, can you? Can you at least afford to buy a car like Genesis? If not, what the hell are you doing here?!?
What does that tell you? I don't know about a dumbfuck like you, but I know the sales numbers tell me that smart luxury car shoppers have found out that Ford has been fucking with their wallets.
These numbers don't lie, Spiaggia fuckhead. But, you continue to lie, lie and lie....
We all know MKS is a piece of shit. We all know MKS is trying so hard to compete against the likes of Lexus GS, Infiniti M and Genesis 4.6L. We all know MKS tried to emulate Lexus and Infiniti, hoping and praying that customers will buy them.
None of that really came true, did it? Sorry ass MKS sales dropped from over 2200 in July 2008 to dismal 1200 in July 2009. That's more than 50 percent drop in one year!
Interesting that the entire automotive world - people who test drive and review cars FOR A LIVING - are drooling over the Genesis, and yet you have nothing but negative things to say. It figures as much - you're just a miserable person and unhappy people always seem to find the negative in everything. Hmmm...maybe the car isn't the problem. Maybe the problem is just you.
Those professionals are biased anyway. No, I am pretty sure the car missing proper components is the cars problem. I am pretty sure the car being a half-assed mockery of other nicer cars is the cars problem. I am pretty sure Hyundai cutting costs and not building the Genesis as well as they could have is the cars problem. I am pretty sure the Genesis being anything but genuine is the cars problem.
Yeah, you're right. I find only the negative in things.
Are you talking about your shitty Lincoln MKS, again? That's exactly what MKS is all about. Here's a 52K car with shitty Taurus chassis, half-ass V6 3.5L engine with turbocharger, and the exterior design, reminiscent of of Infiniti M and Lexus GS. MKS is epitome of shitty Ford engineering at its best. ROFL!
@ SpiaggiaVita: You probably think you sound like a wiseguy with your ridiculous arguments, but you're really making yourself out to be a fool. The fact that you've spent THIS much time slamming this car is very sad, and makes you nothing but a hater. The fact of the matter is that this car is getting praises left and right, and absolutely nothing you say can change that. You sure do spend a LOT of time talking about a car you hate. Ugh...what a loser.
I don't see your point. How am I making myself out to be a fool?
That praise that you are referring to, that is why I am here. I am proving that the Genesis is not nearly as valuable or premium as people claim it to be. Considering the things I have been addressing, it is more of a thrifty car than a luxury car, as you get what you pay for, nothing more. It is on a fundamental level that this car fails to meet its expectations. It misses on being a true luxury sedan for obvious reasons.
One day in New York, I bought a fake Rolex in China Town. It looked okay and worked great however in no way would I consider it as nice as a real watch of any kind. It cost me $10. The day that I spend anywhere near full cost for a cheap knock-off, I will go and buy a Genesis. Because, for the same price or a few grand more will get you a genuine car with more features than the Genesis will ever have.
That's totally not true. Name one, just one, car with a V8 for this kind of money that you think is a higher quality car. Genesis is excellent quality by the way. I drove one.
That's not the point. Besides, why would it have to have a V8? Because, I have listed several cars that have way more features, better components and plenty of power for the same or less money. That's all the Genesis can do is go fast. That's not a luxury car. Btw, you are spending money for something you will use 5% of the time over things you would use 80% of the time. I never said anything wrong about its quality. For the money, this car doesn't do enough compared to what the others can do.
You really have no clue. There is no other full size car with V8 and these features for less money in the US. That's a fact, not opinion like most of what you're saying.
No, you are right. But there are plenty of powerful enough cars with way more features than the Genesis that makes it not valuable. With the Genesis, you get an excessively powerful car with 2-3 key features of other nicer luxury cars. However, there are so many cars for the same price that have plenty of power, have way more features than the Genesis will ever have that you will get more use out of.
Remember, 5%-80%. Excess power or better features? Hmmm, what do I need more?
There are plenty of other full size RWD V8 sedans for between $30k-$40k like 300C, Lucerne, etc, but those cars are far more generic and "cheap" in comparison to Genesis. What features does the Genesis NOT have that you claim others do have in that price range?
I have watched the videos and seen the reviews/awards etc... The car isn't diserving. Not at all.
Like I said, the car fails on the most fundamental level of what the car is supposed to be. You don't have to read my comments, no one has to. But acting the way you are isn't going to make me leave; that's for sure. Do you realize you've had nothing significant to say against anything that I have been saying about the Genesis? That's a lot of stuff to ignore about such a "valuable" vehicle.
Hey itgeek. Do you know what Toyota did to create value and prestige when they introduced Lexus? They created a top-notch dealer network that is unmatched in customer service and luxury. When people want to go buy a $35K ES or RX, they enjoy an upscale atmosphere that compliment the upscale vehicles they are buying. Hyundai almost did that. They almost launched the Genesis under a different brand until they realized it would cost too much. So, where's their priorities? The customer, or saving $?
Good point. So did GM with their Saturn fairly recently and Cadillac in the olden days. So, what happened to both of them in 2009, as opposed to Hyundai?
And, who the fuck do you think will end up paying for all those fancy latte makers and plush leather seat waiting areas?
That's right, you dumb shit!
All that cost will be eventually paid by you, as the customer. Not that an Italian loser like you will EVER be able afford a Luxus or a Caddy. ROFL!
Yeah, Saturn is gone but that is hardly relevant as they are not a luxury car manufacturer. As for Cadillac, I think they've been doing just fine. You want one anyway.
Ofcourse you are paying for it. But that's what you're getting. At Hyundai, you are going to a regular Hyundai dealership and get the average $15K car buying experience. Not to mention your average hyundai tech is used to working on $10K cars. You want them fixing your 'complex' $40K car? I sure don't.
Do you ever look or listen at the videos of review? Scroll up to see and hear what these reviewers are saying before making your comments.
Also, read the latest sales data of Hyundai Genesis, before blabbering your smelly mouth. Hyundai just sold 2015 Genesis in the month of July. That's more than any of its competitions.
I have watched all of these videos. They failed to notice a lot of the things that I am saying.
So, what does that have to do with the problems of the Genesis? They sold some cars to a bunch of thrift bargain-basement idiots who thought they were getting some kind of deal with the Genesis. What does that have to do with the car not being built or equipped properly? As well as my main point in not being significantly cheaper or lavishly equipped as people have thought. That's all.
If you like other cars, pick your fat Italian ass and move over to your favorite videos. Genesis is not only COTY, but selling like popcorns during this year's blockbuster movie, the Transformer.
Genesis has no problem, and you know it. The only problem with Hyundai is, not being able to build the car as fast as they are getting customer orders.
Are you saying that fat buttery fingered people are buying the Genesis to sit and watch Megan Fox?
Genesis has no problems? Have you been ignoring everything I have been saying? Well, the answer to that is yes because you've never been able to defend the car from what I am saying. Maybe you should go back and read how Hyundai could have made a proper luxury car that would actually allow the car to compete on the most basic level of its segment. But now, it doesn't because of its problems.
Totally right! When I went to check out the Genesis at my local dealership, they said they were having a hard time keeping them on the lot for display. They had one Genesis coupe left and somone had literally just bought it when I spoke to the salesman.
That's the obvious sign of Genesis doing well in the U.S. market. I believe Europeans are paying closer attention to the latest success of Hyundai cars, as well. Hyundai gained more market share percentage in European market than any other automakers in 2009.
And, this Italian Spiaggia fuckhead has been spreading lies after lies about Ford. As far as I'm concerned, Ford needs new slogan, instead lying "Ford Built Tough":
Well, those same people who are buying Genesis over Lexus, BMW, Merc etc... are getting that much less of a car. With the Genesis, you are getting what you pay for. It isn't a bargain car, it is a thrift car. The fact that they skimped and cut costs alone means the car isn't as good as it could have been. And that means it isn't worth getting. It could have been better, but Hyundai decided not to make it better. Are you okay with that? For something so simple? Why not make it better? Cheap.
I'm curious to know in what specific ways you think the Genesis is "cheap"? I saw nothing that stood out to me as being cheap in the car. All material qualities are the best you find in cars of this class. All the features are there. And in all actuality, ALL manufacturers including the likes of Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, etc could make cars 10x better than they do, but then no one could afford them. They have to find ways to build what they believe good quality for what they feel is a fair price.
I have never said anything bad about the quality however the specific components like the trunk hinges are ancient and take up trunk space. Mondern hinges that are found in many $20K cars don't.
Also, the fact that Hyundai so obviously left out the passenger seat ventilation.
However, in the Genesis, not all of the features are there. They have a few of the key features but the car doesn't have all of the aspects of a real luxury car.
Haha, do you realize how rediculous your arguments are. You CANNOT name 1, just 1, car that offers all the features the Genesis does, in a FULL SIZE, V8, sedan for $30k-$40k. You're so confident in your claims, but you have no proof to back them up.
Can someone explain why there are so many fugly Italians and Japanese, like Spiaggia, roaming on Youtube and bullshit about cars that they never have any intentions of buying?
If you are looking for a real "premium" car, why don't you just stop bashing on these videos and just go to buy a BMW 750Li. That's real luxary and performance there. The Hyundai Genesis is for people who want the "bang for their buck." That's totally fine with me. Seems like you're really irked at the fact that the Genesis doesn't have 2 A/C seats, only 1. Ever seen a KDM Genesis or even an Equus? Hyundai strips out some stuff in the US versions to make them cheaper to appeal.
Exactly, they strip out stuff to make them cheaper. That is not value. That is garbage. I am not looking for premium cars, it is the fact that people think this car is so premium when it isn't that I am here. Bang for the buck? Hardly if they are skimping in other areas to provide "affordable" luxury. There is a reason that this car seems cheaper than other competitors, and it shows in what this car offers as compared to others. That is not value, and isn't even close to being premium.
Yes, the Genesis probably has everything a BMW 5 series has and plus some and it costs a whole lot less, but does that change the fact that the rest of their cars are shitty with bad resale value?
Don't expect to get praised for making one really nice car when the rest of their sedans, SUV's, and sports cars peform below par.
The Genesis doesn't have everything the BMW 5 series has because you can get things like night vision, heads-up display, HD radio, heated rear seats, rear side impact airbags and lane departure warning just to name a few.
Compare the Genesis to a similarly equipped 5 series and the price difference isn't that great for what you are getting.
LOL u comparing again the Genesis with the 5 series? haha the 5 series is much smaller and almost the same price. just because an ugly BMW badge on it. Nice keep barking.
Much smaller? Are you crazy? Have you physically seen the vehicles we are talking about.
Do you really believe this car is S-class or 7-series material? You are insane. It's barely as good as a 3-series. As I and the other guy pointed out, the 1-series has just as many features as the Genesis, it's just not as big. Following your logic, the Dodge Charger and Ford Crown Vic are both good cars solely based on their size. You are rediculous.
Yes, I realized that the Genesis did have rear side impact airbags after the fact. But, the 5 series does have available night vision for roughly 1K. I believe that Nav is required.
My point is, most of the features available on the Genesis are standard on a car like the 5-series. Take a close look at the features list on the Genesis and it really isn't all that impressive. Sure it has some key features but most if not all are available or standard on pretty much every $40K car.
No expenses spared engineering? That is what the guy in the video said right?
If that's the case, why doesn't the passenger get an A/C seat like the driver? Why does the Genesis have ancient trunk hinges that take up space? Why does it look like every other car on the road today? (design is engineering after all.)
Most of all, why wasn't the Genesis launched under its own luxury brand name like it was originally intended? To save money ofcourse.
"...Why does it look like every other car on the road today?"
If the Genesis looks like every other car on the road, then that would mean that all the other cars on the road look like each other. Honestly - if the Genesis looks like a Mercedes, a BMW, a Lexus and an Infiniti, then obviously that means that each of those cars already look like the other. Chew on that, wiseguy.
Not at all. It means that there is atleast one bit on the Genesis for every car on the road today. Rather than its entirety, each significant element of the Genesis is obviously recognizable from competitive brands individually.
From what ever angle you look at it, you can see pieces that hyundai have copied to make the Genesis look more like other real cars. They could have done something genuine but instead they did what they always do. Provide a half-assed knock off of real products.
Well, I appreciate what you're saying, but I think you're missing the entire point here. The Genesis was made for people who have NEVER had a premium car. What this creates is an opportunity for consumers - who otherwise could never afford a luxury car - to have the LOOK and the FEEL of a Lexus, BMW or Merc, and not have to worry about a super high price tag. I'm sure BMW and Merc owners are comfortable where they are. But for the average joe who makes an average salary, it's a genius concept.
And I also think that your statement, "...they did what they always do..." sounds incredibly bias. It's almost like - no matter what they put out, it'll never be good enough for you because you'll always think of Hyundai as a copycat brand, and that's not a reasonable perspective. I think most people are simply stuck in their old bias ways and don't want to give Hyundai a real chance, because it might damage their precious ego. But regardless, Hyundai has a real contender with the Genesis. :-)
It is true though. Look at what they've been doing for the past 3 years before the Genesis came out. They advertised the Veracruz to compete directly with Lexus suvs. They also compared their Azera directly to an LS460 in an ad. I agree with the basic concept that those expensive cars aren't necessary. But, that applies to all cars, not just Hyundai's. Also, I am not entirely against Hyundai as I like some of their other models. I do have specific problems with the Genesis though.
This brings us to my ultimate point though. Design really isn't as important to me as my other argument here. You say premium car as though this really is a $50K-$60K car for $40K. The truth is, this car really doesn't offer anything that other $40K cars don't have. The Genesis' features are the same as any car in its price range. My problem is, why is this car considered so valuable when it really isn't any different than its competitors? No one has been able to answer that question for me.
"The Genesis' features are the same as any car in its price range."
name it....which offers rear wheel drive, lexicon audiio system, 370HP lambda engine and much more for the price of a 5 series...hahah idiot keep barking.
We have talked about this. A lot of cars have rear wheel drive. Does it have to have Lexicon? No, every car in that price range offers a premium audio anyway, some of which are better than Hyundai's Lexicon. Also, there are several powerful cars out there as well.
And much more? Like what? ABS? Leather? ESC? CD-changer? Power windows? I can tell you a bunch of 15$ cars that have all of that, are they valuable?
@Spiaggia Vita, you are right. Genesis does not have everythhing 5 series have. But it has most of the improtant stuff that 5 series or any other premium cars have. that is why it's called Value car. Valuye cars are like that.
I don't understand why people think the Genesis is valuable or premium considering they skimp in areas such as not including an A/C seat for the front passenger, only having a 500W audio system even though they claim it is as good as the one in the RR and many competitors have 600+ watts for less money. Also, you are paying for a Hyundai experience at Hyundai dealers where Hyundai techs will be working on your 40K car. That's hardly valuable.
SpiaggiaVita? What is that, french for splooge in my eye? Dude, I have 2hyundai genesis ( I won't go into how I got them) and I don't care what you say, I've had sex with more ladies in those cars then you've watched on porn sites. Hyundai Genesis:1 , French guy with splooge in the eye: 0
"I don't understand why people think the Genesis is valuable or premium "
Hahahaha hyundai doesn't need a freaking AC for the passenger seat to be called premium or valuable, stupid girl doesn't understand about cars. ^^ Then whats valuable? ur Ford Focus??? Go create an anti hyundai club
Yes, my car is valuable. I could atleast tell you why it is. Not that you could tell my why the Genesis is valuable or anything. Still waiting. And yes they do need the passenger seat to be airconditioned to be considered premium. Especially when key competitors offer that for the same or lower price. Also, I didn't know that old technology is considered premium. Is it just me, or is there nothing new or amazing about the Genesis? Well, that's what I got from their website and driving it...
LOL seats without an A/C seat for the passenger wow big deal! when u have the car of the year, with a lexicon system, lambda engine with 370 HP ^^ Stupid your argument.
Is that even a complete sentence? I don't even know what to say about that. Lambda engine? Big whoop, there are plenty of powerful cars out there for that money. Since when does an engine have to be Lambda to be considered good? And Lexicon? Yeah only 500 Watts compared to others with 600 plus Watts for less money. Big freaking deal. I think your argument is stupid. Also, you say car of the year as though North American is all that matters. You realize that the VW golf is world car of the year?
Why are you so desperate for me to shut up? If you really want me gone, acting like a child isn't going to get you anywhere. But, you may have realized that.
5 other vehicles? All I need is one. But, that's not the point. I am not saying the car has no value. I am saying it is not as valuable as people claim. But if you must know the Avalon, MKS, MKZ, S80, S60, Taurus, X-type, ES, 3-series and CC have all gotten great reviews and offer everything the Genesis does for roughly the same price.
I test drove a Genesis sedan, the 3.8 with all options, $40k. Met my expectations for a big luxury car in most ways with a few exceptions. The trans. was too shift happy in city traffic and very harsh 2-1 shift. The ride was very stiff and jittery. My '06.5 Optima rides firm too, but smoother. Engine, wind, and road noise were wisper quiet, but outside traffic noise seemed more prominent than in my Optima, which really caught my attention. Quality and features are amazing. Tons of car for the $.
My lad y and I rented a 2007 Sonata to drive to Charleston and it drove like a well oiled well powered sewing machine. This Genesis will probably be my next car when I'm back in the market. Owner of a 2000 Q45t and Lincoln Ls
"strong hint of Maybach in the grill?" uhh did he mean Mercedes?
steezybreezyful 9 months ago
@steezybreezyful Nope. Much more Maybach than Mercedes.
stevehammes 9 months ago 3
@stevehammes Not to sound rude but are you blind? A Maybachs grill looks nothing like that, this car was modeled after BMW (interior), Lexus (body style) and Mercedes (grill and lights) that's what Hyundai is competing with so that's what they aimed for in the design. Nowhere near a Maybach in class or style.
steezybreezyful 9 months ago
The only way I think Hyundai is going to get any respect for its luxury vehicles the Equuss the Genesis is by making either a whole new brand thats sounds more luxurious than hyundai... Though i love their equus and genesis I still shy away because people will say nice car what is it? A hyundai...
SahijApple93 10 months ago
@SahijApple93 So it's a Hyundai. Only MB and BMW are 'true' luxury car company's in the class; even Audi doesn't qualify as they are VW's. Do people really not know in this day and age that Acura is Honda, Infiniti is Nissan, and Lexus is Toyota? THose brands don't have the brand power that MB or BMW, or oddly Audi does; simply because people do know who makes them. Luxury branding doesn't seem to work for cars. Better to make a solid product and be honest about it, it's not going to hurt.
fireworkstube 9 months ago
@SahijApple93 you sound like a stupid american. who cares what other people think do what you want and get the car if you want. a lot of bmw and mercedes reliability arent all that great get a hyundai genesis and you get speed luxury sportiness and great value withut giving up reliability and 10 10000 thousand mile warranty unlike other car companies. you buying a hyundai in my opinion is a smart choice in the long run you will save and hyundai will end up being a top player in 2012
pattycarljackson 8 months ago
guys i accept this car is fantastic but hyundai themselves prove that you should not drive a luxury car with hyundai badge on it. and thats why there is no any hyundai badge on it and whats more other luxury car brands have there own name and dealer network and that adds cost to there cars.
g37muflih 11 months ago
@g37muflih hyundai dosent wanna do that. the equus was the most shopped premuim luxury car. people need to start looking at hyundai as a huge threat to other companies even if some dont think so. the 2012 genesis almost 500 hp it has a higher output then any of its competitors. if hyundai keeps going good they will beet the crap out of all these other luxury cars and sports cars maybe not all of them but most of them. and youll get the reliability that most luxury cars and sports cars dont have
pattycarljackson 8 months ago
I've owned the Genesis for 1 month. I've ridden in BMWs, Mercedes, Lexus, Infinitis, Acuras, VWs, and Volvos. Admittedly the European cars have stiffer handling & more sporty performance feel so if you're looking for this, the Genesis is not for you. But for you critics who think the Genesis is not as smooth as Lexus, Infiniti, or Acura-you are delusional. Smoothness of ride & quietness of cabin are on par with the Japanese competitors. I dare you to take a blindfolded ride to prove my point
henryleder 1 year ago
if you want a mercedes but not the price, just glue the emble on the hood and you got a mercedes!
fantikerz2 1 year ago
Id still rather have a Lexus or Cadillac.
Motorfordtoyota 1 year ago
@Motorfordtoyota wait till all their new cars come out in 2012 youll change your mind with more hp and torque more luxuriness and sportinesss hyundai will outbeat lexus and cadilllac in notime
pattycarljackson 8 months ago
@pattycarljackson They will Lexus because of Toyota's slipping quality. Just like I always say, quantity ruins quality. But Cadillac has an amazing interior right now. And they have the fastest production sedan in the world, so no Hyundai will not surpass Cadillac. Also Caddi has heritage of luxury cars, Hyundai has a reputation of small, cheap, beater, POS cars.
Motorfordtoyota 8 months ago
@Motorfordtoyota true but look at their first two luxury cars the genesis sedan and equus. they turned out amazing for it to be their first entry into the luxury and sporty sedan area. yeah cadillac has great interior and great cars but if a hyundai comes along just as great as a cadillac and maybe even better and people realize how good hyundais are why are people gonnna keep spending more on a cadi when they can get a hyundai with good quality reliability and an unbeatible warranty.
pattycarljackson 8 months ago
@pattycarljackson For me atleast, Im not sayign this for everyone. I dont want a Korean car. Simple as that. Also, for 70 grand, I could have a CTS-V 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, extremely comfortable interior, smooth ride, 25 mpg, ect. ect.
Motorfordtoyota 8 months ago
@Motorfordtoyota no you do make a good point but just like for me i will never want a cadi honda bmw mercedes porsche toyota lexus. they are a huge rip off
pattycarljackson 8 months ago
@pattycarljackson Also, its damn near impossible to Comapre Hyundai's first luxury car to Cadillac's since there is a 110 year difference. (Estimated). Just sayin
Motorfordtoyota 8 months ago
@Motorfordtoyota as i said look at their first luxury car and look how it came out to be. its great and beets a lot fo luxury cars theat are out there and its their first one thats what i was saying. so just saying
pattycarljackson 8 months ago
YO STEVE this or the new tl sh-awd,,,which one>
xxnissansilviaxx 1 year ago
much nicer than the ugly new e class and the audi a6 with the ugly monster grill!10 years ago i never thought i would drive a hyundai-but the genesis changed my point of view.
hollbri2 1 year ago
is that a slide down rear window @ 2:43?
brians09challenger 1 year ago
@brians09challenger rear sun shade
dhillskier75 1 year ago
I've driven an 08 535 with Sport package and the Genesis 3.8 V6...The Handling doesn't come close. The Genesis needs an added sport package to keep up with the Germans,
ThousanWhite 1 year ago
ps3 vs atari = atari wins
ExtraTerrestrials 1 year ago
@ExtraTerrestrials if u think the atari wins vs ps3....then u = fail
rsxzx6r 1 year ago
beautiful car and bueatiiful video,thanks,but i need to ask
is there a tiptronic behind the steering to shift the gear.
can u open it with with ur fingerprint
is there from this car a glass roof(panorama)
thanks 4 the video
yazan28193 1 year ago
this is only like 30000 almost new 2009. I think its so worth the money instead of a beamer or audi which aren't as fast even.
natergator34 1 year ago 3
@natergator34 Exactly, why would someone pay $40K+ for an Audi with a 2.0T.
skaterloser82 1 year ago
Retrieve it with hyundai recall. Hyundai steals data.
biyorkman 1 year ago
is the GPS hard-drive based ?
aeroavia89 1 year ago
Thats for 2009, 2010 numbers ae going to be out in a couple of months. They expect Hyundai to be tied with Lexus in first place this year.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago 11
@smokefreak2006 they will beat lexus soon as they get the new tranny + 5.0 LITTA engine and some more LUXURY stuff...
coolgames14 11 months ago
@coolgames14 yeah their new 429 hp genesis for 2012 is gonna be nice. im impressed with hyundai more then any other car company out there.
pattycarljackson 8 months ago
Cadillac, Porsche, and Lexus are the only companies ahead of Hyundai in overall quality, but since Hyundai is a mass market make Hyundai leads in mass market quality.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
KIA will make all of the company trucks, and Hyundai will make all of the cars.
Its a strategy to further optimize reliability. KIA Makes tough little reliable trucks, and shit cars. Hyundai makes Shit Trucks, while its cars are among the very best in reliability.
The Goal is for KIA to be the quality and reliability leader in 18-36 months. Its not a hard task as KIA is 9th place out of 34makes in quality.
Toyota is in 8th place, Honda 7th, Ford 6th, Merc 5th, Hyundai 4th
smokefreak2006 2 years ago 4
KIA can make the truly cheap stuff for us, for now on.
KIA will get a Genesis as well. It will be sportier, and cheaper than the Hyundai version. It will be called K9 in Korea. K9 will be Near Luxury and Genesis will be Luxury.
KIA will be cheap small and Mid sized cars, and near Luxury Big cars. Hyundai will be Premium (Near Luxury) small and Mid sized cars/CUVs, and Luxury Big cars/SUVs.
A Genesis SUV is coming as well.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago 3
Really, a Genesis SUV? TOO COOL! I hope the Genesis SUV will have the 4.6 liter TAU V-8 :D .
PorscheCayenneLover 1 year ago 3
There's a 5.0 Tau V8 in the system as well. The Equus is the first to have one.
smokefreak2006 1 year ago
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bg1379 1 year ago
so much better than the cheap azera; this car has excellent results in all reviews I've seen
aeroavia89 2 years ago
Unlike the IS 250, in the Sonata you have the safety of Front Wheel Drive.
I like the Genesis, but m not a fan of it being RWD, I wish they hurry up and put AWD in the Genesis, Equus and Azera.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
Do you know that 2011 Sonata has 3 less HP than Lexus IS and the Sonata is a 4 banger, and Lexus is a fucking V6!!! The Sonata also has 9 more MPG than IS, and Sonatas can be just as equipped as Lexus IS.
You Luxury Traditionalists have underestimated fuel economy for so long. You saw that as an Economy car thing.
Well Hyundai didnt have that luxury, they started out late, they have to make new standards.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
Both or Accent and Elantra will have leather, etc.... Hyundai is starting to do Alcantara interior trims as well, and the 2010 Azera is the first vehicle to get this, but Sonata, Elantra, and Accent will be next.
They are even talking about a supercar based on an Equus.
You guys will respect us in10 years, and we will earn that respect too. Just like we scared the Economy car brands, now e are going to do our old stratge in the Luxury market.
Benchmark the best and sell at 40% off.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
Ford's talking about getting rid of Lincoln and Mercury becuase they're going to drag their CAFE down. They say if Hyundai is successful they might follow Hyundai upmarket too in the long term.
Even Lexus says he have to keep our eyes on Hyundai, and Benz is bring its small cars over from Europe, to counter any threat from Hyundai's new small cars, which will be the best. If you think Genesis, Sonata, Equus, Tuscon are transformations that new Elantra and Accent will be even better.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
@jvjobi Asshole
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
Hyundai will be the best Luxry Brand in the fuure. We will upmarket everything from Accent to Equus,and youll suck it up and get used to it.
We will become an affordable Korean Benz, and you mesage willbe Luxury shoul be about Extreme Fuel Economy. Hyundai is the leader in Fuel Economy.
Even ourbig boy Genesis and Equus have supeior fuel economy for the size, and I even hear Genesis will get GDi, and it soon enough it will beonly big V8 sedan in America is 30+ MPG. GDI=more power too.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
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this car sucks it copied the benz grill MB is the best!!!!!!!!
Jkilla342 2 years ago
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Junk, period!
MrSinister99 2 years ago
@jvjobi
HEY JAP, or WHEREVER THE FUK YOU ARE FROM, SUCK MY KOREAN DICK AND YOUR MAMMA CAN LICK MY BUTTHOLE....CAPISCE?????
IKOR72 2 years ago
Great review
IKOR72 2 years ago
drive ur corolla japo ^^
t3523 2 years ago 2
jvjobi: I saw in your profile u are japanese, so u don't count, ur just sad and angry. Ja penis fag likes to pay 20,000 more for the same thing, also ja penis likes electrical shitty german cars. LOL
t3523 2 years ago
jvjobi
LOL a few?? Hyundai Genesis sedan and Genesis coupe are going very very well, so it means people are saving 20,000 and driving a Lux Genesis instead of a electrical shit BMW. Ur just sad jap fagot. ^^
t3523 2 years ago
jvjobi
LOL as u said Hyundai's FIRST Luxury car, while Germans and Japanese have been making cars for close to 100 years...^^
U know german cars have the reputation of having shitty electrical systems. Whos stealing customers from Lexus and BMW, Mercedes? Hyundai...no u cry. HAHAHAHA!!!
t3523 2 years ago 2
jvjobi
LOL U know Mercedes, BMW and Audi have a reputation of having shitty electrical system. Ur just sad.
t3523 2 years ago
jvjobi
LOL Electrically shit box german cars that costs 20k more....keep crying.
t3523 2 years ago
jvjobi
Yeah shit like u little girl who cries how much u hate Hyundai cars...
t3523 2 years ago
jvjobi
yeah keep crying like a little girl.
t3523 2 years ago
PRICELESS!
badboymg23 2 years ago
Well, if I had money to buy a luxury car (which I don't) I would be buying this :)
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Your fucking gay.
stregaboys44 2 years ago
Mmm, wrong. Since you don't seem to understand in proper type, I'll use emphasis. THERE IS NO OTHER FULL SIZE CAR WITH ALL OF THE GENESIS' FEATURES FOR THIS PRICE PRICE. PERIOD.
palebeachbum 2 years ago 2
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You are simply wrong. You just said it is a value dollar for dollar. So, car for car how is it valuable? By your logic, any full size car with an over sized engine is valuable. So, why don't you go get a Crown Victoria? That costs even less, is that more valuable?
As for your last comment, there are no other full size cars with the Genesis' features for the price? You are simply wrong again. There are several cars with more features for less money. There really are, go look.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Fuck You Asshole!!
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
Wow, that's mature...
Sorry, where is fuure? I imagine it won't be hard to be the best luxury brand there... Although you may have to compete with Hitler.
"We?" Do you work for Hyundai? If that's the case, you should stop what you are doing now because you are suggesting that Hyundai doesn't care what people want and will continue to make other things instead regardless. Also, I think luxury is many things, not just fuel economy. If that's all Hyundai can do, they aren't very luxurious.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
@SpiaggiaVita
Look at the other Luxury makes, most of them can do performance only.
Humm.... maybe that's why the Koreans arent following the usual Luxury Rubric. Do you know that its going take so long for many established luxury companies to meet new CAFE standards? Hyundai will meet these standards next year (4 YEARS EARLY) with its new lineup.
Hyundai is going to take advantage of this fact,and refine all of its cars for Luxury. Sme Luxury companies wont make it due to CAFE
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
Also, based on your short vulgar outburst; I am going to assume you know I am right and had nothing intelligent to say about my previous arguments so instead of countering you just pouted and wined.
Good job and thanks for the compliment.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
@SpiaggiaVita
Well, why even waste my time. Hardly anybody in the room agrees with you. You are one of the worst Anti-Hyundai Racists and haters Ive ever seen online.
Most people have changed their tunes about Hyundai, but you and the few haters left are still 10 years behind the rest of the country.
I dont work for Hyundai, but Ive been a Hyundai guy before it was cool to be one. They started making decent cars about 13 years ago, good ars 10 years ago, and great car 5 years ago.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
Racists? You are ridiculous and contradicting yourself by saying you won't waste the time then you post 6 comments that I am not even going to read.
See, here's how you show you don't give a shit. Good bye.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
@SpiaggiaVita
Well hey,I read through every last comment on here, and it seems like you have a problem with Hyundai that seems PERSONAL!!!!!!
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
No, actually you were wrong. I like a few Hyundai cars. My problem is with the Genesis and that Hyundai went about it very wrong. It could have been a nice car, something to be proud of. But, it isn't...
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
@SpiaggiaVita
What's wrong with it? They are very proud about this car. Its not like its the VW Phaeton and sold 2 units.
Their pricing an equppiment is so strategic that they are selling Genesises in rates beyond their wildest expectations.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
You said you read all of the previous posts, it should all be there. Obviously they aren't proud of it enough to put their own logo on the grill. That sums it up really. I'm not going to bother explaining any further because I simply don't care. That and I was really just here for this other kid who thought he knew better... Now, THAT was fun!
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
@SpiaggiaVita
The Grille thing was an experiment, plus they didnt know the company's future direction.
2011 Genesis refresh get be some tweaks:
1. Grille Camera
2. Sportier body kit
3. Offering of Alcantara
and
MOST IMPORTANTLY=Hyundai emblem on the grille.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
Then maybe they are moving in the right direction. I read about the car before it came out and they had two at an auto show, one with the badge and one with out. The one with a badge looked way better and there really was no reason to go with out it. Also, I heard they wanted to launch the car under its own luxury brand but that would cost too much. So, it seems as though they made last minute quick fixes instead. Either way, water under the bridge as far as I am concerned.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
@SpiaggiaVita
Its also going to get GDi, which might give the V6 Sedan 30 MPG on the highway.
Yeah it would have cost Hyundai $2 Billion just to get the brand started, and even more billions in R&D costs. A big risk for a big unknown.
Its easier for them to just upmarket the Hyundai Brand slowly, and turn everything under Genesis into AFFORDABLE NEAR Luxury cars for now. Plus, they figure they can make more money that way.
Chrysler customers are jumping ship to Hyundai as well.
smokefreak2006 2 years ago
SpiaggiaVita
Ur the same old Genesis obsessed loser, who trolls all over Genesis related videos...deep inside u there is a crush for the Genesis ;)
efawefaefwefwe 2 years ago
You're an idiot...
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I do agree the styling is more generic than anything comparable. But it's not a bad looking car by any means. It's one helluva value dollar for dollar compared to everything else in this price.
palebeachbum 2 years ago
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On the other hand, you are right. I think you made a good point.
SpiagiaVita 2 years ago 5
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Yeah, a good point that he doesn't know what he is talking about and left after a few comments because I proved him wrong... Remember how you left too? The difference is, you keep comming back with nothing new where as most people realize when they have lost and never return.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
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me soorry for being stupid. me dumbfuck italiano. me know nothing about cars. me just a dumbfuck.
SpiagiaVita 2 years ago 6
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me like genesis, pero spiaggia boi likes genesis more, yah? tat's why he spends mucho tiempo on this video, yah?
SpiagiaVita 2 years ago
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Wow, your spanish is pretty good.
You really are a child aren't you? This whole time I have been arguing with an 8 year old huh?
Yeah, 15 years worth of Navigator, Boxster, Qx45 and what else? Keep dreaming, maybe one day you will get to drive a car assuming you pass your drivers license not to mention a psychological exam.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
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how you say wen stoopid person say funny tings, yah?
sorry for being spiagia so stupid, yah?
SpiagiaVita 2 years ago
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Yeah, just read my last comment again.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
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spiaggia es a dumbo fuck, yah? how you say poop in inglish? shit?
spiaggia es shit, yah?
SpiagiaVita 2 years ago
Woo hoo... I'm scared...
This fat, bald, smelly Italian will spend his whopping 45K on a car. He will weight 10 pounds less after selling one of his kidneys to come up with the money, but he will drive a nice fucking car, because he's had it enough with itgeek on Youtube.
Yeah, right. Do me a big fucking favor, and get your ass over to Lincoln dealer. Don't even think about going to decent folks at Hyundai.
itgeek8888 2 years ago
Spiaggia, the Italian Lying Fuckhead!
Are you lying again? Why the fuck would a fat, lying, loser Italian fuckhead like you spend enormous 45K on a piece of metal that will depreciate, the moment you drive off the lot?
I can picture you dragging your fat ass with bald head, visiting these redneck dealers and asking questions after ridiculous, shitty questions about cars, and then leave day after day without buying.
I don't think any salesperson will appreciate smelling your pizza fart.
itgeek8888 2 years ago
Depreciate the moment you drive it off the lot as though the Genesis won't... Do you really believe that?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
You still didn't answer my question though.
Just read my last comment again about you avoiding anything relevant and running from your past comments that you didn't think through.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Spiaggia, the Italian Lying Fuckhead!
Everything you've been saying applies to Lincoln MKS. The latest sales data supports that better than any lies you've been spreading. If you like MKS so much, why don't you buy the damn thing?
Why? You can't afford the car, can you? Can you at least afford to buy a car like Genesis? If not, what the hell are you doing here?!?
itgeek8888 2 years ago
Spiaggia, the Italian Lying Fuckhead!
What does that tell you? I don't know about a dumbfuck like you, but I know the sales numbers tell me that smart luxury car shoppers have found out that Ford has been fucking with their wallets.
These numbers don't lie, Spiaggia fuckhead. But, you continue to lie, lie and lie....
itgeek8888 2 years ago
Spiaggia, the Italian Lying Fuckhead!
We all know MKS is a piece of shit. We all know MKS is trying so hard to compete against the likes of Lexus GS, Infiniti M and Genesis 4.6L. We all know MKS tried to emulate Lexus and Infiniti, hoping and praying that customers will buy them.
None of that really came true, did it? Sorry ass MKS sales dropped from over 2200 in July 2008 to dismal 1200 in July 2009. That's more than 50 percent drop in one year!
itgeek8888 2 years ago
Interesting that the entire automotive world - people who test drive and review cars FOR A LIVING - are drooling over the Genesis, and yet you have nothing but negative things to say. It figures as much - you're just a miserable person and unhappy people always seem to find the negative in everything. Hmmm...maybe the car isn't the problem. Maybe the problem is just you.
KandeeMann2001 2 years ago
Those professionals are biased anyway. No, I am pretty sure the car missing proper components is the cars problem. I am pretty sure the car being a half-assed mockery of other nicer cars is the cars problem. I am pretty sure Hyundai cutting costs and not building the Genesis as well as they could have is the cars problem. I am pretty sure the Genesis being anything but genuine is the cars problem.
Yeah, you're right. I find only the negative in things.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Spiaggia, the Italian Lying Fuckhead!
Half-assed mockery of other nicer cars?
Are you talking about your shitty Lincoln MKS, again? That's exactly what MKS is all about. Here's a 52K car with shitty Taurus chassis, half-ass V6 3.5L engine with turbocharger, and the exterior design, reminiscent of of Infiniti M and Lexus GS. MKS is epitome of shitty Ford engineering at its best. ROFL!
itgeek8888 2 years ago
@ SpiaggiaVita: You probably think you sound like a wiseguy with your ridiculous arguments, but you're really making yourself out to be a fool. The fact that you've spent THIS much time slamming this car is very sad, and makes you nothing but a hater. The fact of the matter is that this car is getting praises left and right, and absolutely nothing you say can change that. You sure do spend a LOT of time talking about a car you hate. Ugh...what a loser.
KandeeMann2001 2 years ago
I don't see your point. How am I making myself out to be a fool?
That praise that you are referring to, that is why I am here. I am proving that the Genesis is not nearly as valuable or premium as people claim it to be. Considering the things I have been addressing, it is more of a thrifty car than a luxury car, as you get what you pay for, nothing more. It is on a fundamental level that this car fails to meet its expectations. It misses on being a true luxury sedan for obvious reasons.
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KandeeMann2001 2 years ago
One day in New York, I bought a fake Rolex in China Town. It looked okay and worked great however in no way would I consider it as nice as a real watch of any kind. It cost me $10. The day that I spend anywhere near full cost for a cheap knock-off, I will go and buy a Genesis. Because, for the same price or a few grand more will get you a genuine car with more features than the Genesis will ever have.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
That's totally not true. Name one, just one, car with a V8 for this kind of money that you think is a higher quality car. Genesis is excellent quality by the way. I drove one.
palebeachbum 2 years ago
That's not the point. Besides, why would it have to have a V8? Because, I have listed several cars that have way more features, better components and plenty of power for the same or less money. That's all the Genesis can do is go fast. That's not a luxury car. Btw, you are spending money for something you will use 5% of the time over things you would use 80% of the time. I never said anything wrong about its quality. For the money, this car doesn't do enough compared to what the others can do.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
You really have no clue. There is no other full size car with V8 and these features for less money in the US. That's a fact, not opinion like most of what you're saying.
palebeachbum 2 years ago
No, you are right. But there are plenty of powerful enough cars with way more features than the Genesis that makes it not valuable. With the Genesis, you get an excessively powerful car with 2-3 key features of other nicer luxury cars. However, there are so many cars for the same price that have plenty of power, have way more features than the Genesis will ever have that you will get more use out of.
Remember, 5%-80%. Excess power or better features? Hmmm, what do I need more?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
There are plenty of other full size RWD V8 sedans for between $30k-$40k like 300C, Lucerne, etc, but those cars are far more generic and "cheap" in comparison to Genesis. What features does the Genesis NOT have that you claim others do have in that price range?
palebeachbum 2 years ago
i wont believe in hyundai genesis until they do long term road tests....for now I'll PASS
ryondface 2 years ago
thx u for the great vid review.. ^^
guhbooksun33 2 years ago
I have watched the videos and seen the reviews/awards etc... The car isn't diserving. Not at all.
Like I said, the car fails on the most fundamental level of what the car is supposed to be. You don't have to read my comments, no one has to. But acting the way you are isn't going to make me leave; that's for sure. Do you realize you've had nothing significant to say against anything that I have been saying about the Genesis? That's a lot of stuff to ignore about such a "valuable" vehicle.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
So in other words, all the people that test and review these cars professionally are wrong, and you are right. Get a life!
palebeachbum 2 years ago
It seems like this idiot is not talking about the car on the video
vladika07 2 years ago
Hey itgeek. Do you know what Toyota did to create value and prestige when they introduced Lexus? They created a top-notch dealer network that is unmatched in customer service and luxury. When people want to go buy a $35K ES or RX, they enjoy an upscale atmosphere that compliment the upscale vehicles they are buying. Hyundai almost did that. They almost launched the Genesis under a different brand until they realized it would cost too much. So, where's their priorities? The customer, or saving $?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Spiaggia, the Italian Fuckhead,
Good point. So did GM with their Saturn fairly recently and Cadillac in the olden days. So, what happened to both of them in 2009, as opposed to Hyundai?
And, who the fuck do you think will end up paying for all those fancy latte makers and plush leather seat waiting areas?
That's right, you dumb shit!
All that cost will be eventually paid by you, as the customer. Not that an Italian loser like you will EVER be able afford a Luxus or a Caddy. ROFL!
itgeek8888 2 years ago
Yeah, Saturn is gone but that is hardly relevant as they are not a luxury car manufacturer. As for Cadillac, I think they've been doing just fine. You want one anyway.
Ofcourse you are paying for it. But that's what you're getting. At Hyundai, you are going to a regular Hyundai dealership and get the average $15K car buying experience. Not to mention your average hyundai tech is used to working on $10K cars. You want them fixing your 'complex' $40K car? I sure don't.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Spiaggia,
Do you ever look or listen at the videos of review? Scroll up to see and hear what these reviewers are saying before making your comments.
Also, read the latest sales data of Hyundai Genesis, before blabbering your smelly mouth. Hyundai just sold 2015 Genesis in the month of July. That's more than any of its competitions.
itgeek8888 2 years ago
I have watched all of these videos. They failed to notice a lot of the things that I am saying.
So, what does that have to do with the problems of the Genesis? They sold some cars to a bunch of thrift bargain-basement idiots who thought they were getting some kind of deal with the Genesis. What does that have to do with the car not being built or equipped properly? As well as my main point in not being significantly cheaper or lavishly equipped as people have thought. That's all.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
If you like other cars, pick your fat Italian ass and move over to your favorite videos. Genesis is not only COTY, but selling like popcorns during this year's blockbuster movie, the Transformer.
Genesis has no problem, and you know it. The only problem with Hyundai is, not being able to build the car as fast as they are getting customer orders.
itgeek8888 2 years ago
Are you saying that fat buttery fingered people are buying the Genesis to sit and watch Megan Fox?
Genesis has no problems? Have you been ignoring everything I have been saying? Well, the answer to that is yes because you've never been able to defend the car from what I am saying. Maybe you should go back and read how Hyundai could have made a proper luxury car that would actually allow the car to compete on the most basic level of its segment. But now, it doesn't because of its problems.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Totally right! When I went to check out the Genesis at my local dealership, they said they were having a hard time keeping them on the lot for display. They had one Genesis coupe left and somone had literally just bought it when I spoke to the salesman.
palebeachbum 2 years ago
That's the obvious sign of Genesis doing well in the U.S. market. I believe Europeans are paying closer attention to the latest success of Hyundai cars, as well. Hyundai gained more market share percentage in European market than any other automakers in 2009.
And, this Italian Spiaggia fuckhead has been spreading lies after lies about Ford. As far as I'm concerned, Ford needs new slogan, instead lying "Ford Built Tough":
"Ford Builds Shit"
ROFL!
itgeek8888 2 years ago
People who can afford Lexus, BMW, Mercedes are buying Genesis instead. That's all the convincing anyone needs. Enough said.
palebeachbum 2 years ago
Well, those same people who are buying Genesis over Lexus, BMW, Merc etc... are getting that much less of a car. With the Genesis, you are getting what you pay for. It isn't a bargain car, it is a thrift car. The fact that they skimped and cut costs alone means the car isn't as good as it could have been. And that means it isn't worth getting. It could have been better, but Hyundai decided not to make it better. Are you okay with that? For something so simple? Why not make it better? Cheap.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
I'm curious to know in what specific ways you think the Genesis is "cheap"? I saw nothing that stood out to me as being cheap in the car. All material qualities are the best you find in cars of this class. All the features are there. And in all actuality, ALL manufacturers including the likes of Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, etc could make cars 10x better than they do, but then no one could afford them. They have to find ways to build what they believe good quality for what they feel is a fair price.
palebeachbum 2 years ago
I have never said anything bad about the quality however the specific components like the trunk hinges are ancient and take up trunk space. Mondern hinges that are found in many $20K cars don't.
Also, the fact that Hyundai so obviously left out the passenger seat ventilation.
However, in the Genesis, not all of the features are there. They have a few of the key features but the car doesn't have all of the aspects of a real luxury car.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Haha, do you realize how rediculous your arguments are. You CANNOT name 1, just 1, car that offers all the features the Genesis does, in a FULL SIZE, V8, sedan for $30k-$40k. You're so confident in your claims, but you have no proof to back them up.
palebeachbum 2 years ago
Everyone, please ignore below SpiaggiaVita's comments. He is a idiot
dendsth 2 years ago
oh, just fill in the blank below with anything under 12.
Anyway, yes. Good job, way to determine something based on nothing.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
SpiaggiaVita <- totally sucker
dendsth 2 years ago
Can someone explain why there are so many fugly Italians and Japanese, like Spiaggia, roaming on Youtube and bullshit about cars that they never have any intentions of buying?
itgeek8888 2 years ago
@SpiaggiaVita
If you are looking for a real "premium" car, why don't you just stop bashing on these videos and just go to buy a BMW 750Li. That's real luxary and performance there. The Hyundai Genesis is for people who want the "bang for their buck." That's totally fine with me. Seems like you're really irked at the fact that the Genesis doesn't have 2 A/C seats, only 1. Ever seen a KDM Genesis or even an Equus? Hyundai strips out some stuff in the US versions to make them cheaper to appeal.
prolifiktheory 2 years ago
prolifiktheory
hey don't worry about spiaggiavita...she can't even afford a Genesis, she drives a Focus, no kidding. ^^
She is just another hater...there are hundreds of them in youtube.
gw21000 2 years ago
Exactly, they strip out stuff to make them cheaper. That is not value. That is garbage. I am not looking for premium cars, it is the fact that people think this car is so premium when it isn't that I am here. Bang for the buck? Hardly if they are skimping in other areas to provide "affordable" luxury. There is a reason that this car seems cheaper than other competitors, and it shows in what this car offers as compared to others. That is not value, and isn't even close to being premium.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Yes, the Genesis probably has everything a BMW 5 series has and plus some and it costs a whole lot less, but does that change the fact that the rest of their cars are shitty with bad resale value?
Don't expect to get praised for making one really nice car when the rest of their sedans, SUV's, and sports cars peform below par.
ounagi 2 years ago
Cars are shitty? Hyundai ranked fourth in JD Power's 2009 Initial Quality Study. The only brands that beat Hyundai were Lexus, Porsche and Cadillac.
Yep, really shitty.
s0methingwicked 2 years ago 4
The Genesis doesn't have everything the BMW 5 series has because you can get things like night vision, heads-up display, HD radio, heated rear seats, rear side impact airbags and lane departure warning just to name a few.
Compare the Genesis to a similarly equipped 5 series and the price difference isn't that great for what you are getting.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
SpiaggiaVita
LOL u comparing again the Genesis with the 5 series? haha the 5 series is much smaller and almost the same price. just because an ugly BMW badge on it. Nice keep barking.
gw21000 2 years ago
Much smaller? Are you crazy? Have you physically seen the vehicles we are talking about.
Do you really believe this car is S-class or 7-series material? You are insane. It's barely as good as a 3-series. As I and the other guy pointed out, the 1-series has just as many features as the Genesis, it's just not as big. Following your logic, the Dodge Charger and Ford Crown Vic are both good cars solely based on their size. You are rediculous.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
since when did 5 series got night vision? am i missing something? and Genesis has rear side impact airbags.
chltmdwp 2 years ago
Yes, I realized that the Genesis did have rear side impact airbags after the fact. But, the 5 series does have available night vision for roughly 1K. I believe that Nav is required.
My point is, most of the features available on the Genesis are standard on a car like the 5-series. Take a close look at the features list on the Genesis and it really isn't all that impressive. Sure it has some key features but most if not all are available or standard on pretty much every $40K car.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
i hate that american accent lol
kamikuzukonran 2 years ago
No expenses spared engineering? That is what the guy in the video said right?
If that's the case, why doesn't the passenger get an A/C seat like the driver? Why does the Genesis have ancient trunk hinges that take up space? Why does it look like every other car on the road today? (design is engineering after all.)
Most of all, why wasn't the Genesis launched under its own luxury brand name like it was originally intended? To save money ofcourse.
No expense spared my ass.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
"...Why does it look like every other car on the road today?"
If the Genesis looks like every other car on the road, then that would mean that all the other cars on the road look like each other. Honestly - if the Genesis looks like a Mercedes, a BMW, a Lexus and an Infiniti, then obviously that means that each of those cars already look like the other. Chew on that, wiseguy.
KandeeMann2001 2 years ago
Not at all. It means that there is atleast one bit on the Genesis for every car on the road today. Rather than its entirety, each significant element of the Genesis is obviously recognizable from competitive brands individually.
From what ever angle you look at it, you can see pieces that hyundai have copied to make the Genesis look more like other real cars. They could have done something genuine but instead they did what they always do. Provide a half-assed knock off of real products.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Well, I appreciate what you're saying, but I think you're missing the entire point here. The Genesis was made for people who have NEVER had a premium car. What this creates is an opportunity for consumers - who otherwise could never afford a luxury car - to have the LOOK and the FEEL of a Lexus, BMW or Merc, and not have to worry about a super high price tag. I'm sure BMW and Merc owners are comfortable where they are. But for the average joe who makes an average salary, it's a genius concept.
KandeeMann2001 2 years ago
And I also think that your statement, "...they did what they always do..." sounds incredibly bias. It's almost like - no matter what they put out, it'll never be good enough for you because you'll always think of Hyundai as a copycat brand, and that's not a reasonable perspective. I think most people are simply stuck in their old bias ways and don't want to give Hyundai a real chance, because it might damage their precious ego. But regardless, Hyundai has a real contender with the Genesis. :-)
KandeeMann2001 2 years ago
It is true though. Look at what they've been doing for the past 3 years before the Genesis came out. They advertised the Veracruz to compete directly with Lexus suvs. They also compared their Azera directly to an LS460 in an ad. I agree with the basic concept that those expensive cars aren't necessary. But, that applies to all cars, not just Hyundai's. Also, I am not entirely against Hyundai as I like some of their other models. I do have specific problems with the Genesis though.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
This brings us to my ultimate point though. Design really isn't as important to me as my other argument here. You say premium car as though this really is a $50K-$60K car for $40K. The truth is, this car really doesn't offer anything that other $40K cars don't have. The Genesis' features are the same as any car in its price range. My problem is, why is this car considered so valuable when it really isn't any different than its competitors? No one has been able to answer that question for me.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
SpiaggiaVita
"The Genesis' features are the same as any car in its price range."
name it....which offers rear wheel drive, lexicon audiio system, 370HP lambda engine and much more for the price of a 5 series...hahah idiot keep barking.
gw21000 2 years ago
We have talked about this. A lot of cars have rear wheel drive. Does it have to have Lexicon? No, every car in that price range offers a premium audio anyway, some of which are better than Hyundai's Lexicon. Also, there are several powerful cars out there as well.
And much more? Like what? ABS? Leather? ESC? CD-changer? Power windows? I can tell you a bunch of 15$ cars that have all of that, are they valuable?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
@Spiaggia Vita, you are right. Genesis does not have everythhing 5 series have. But it has most of the improtant stuff that 5 series or any other premium cars have. that is why it's called Value car. Valuye cars are like that.
chltmdwp 2 years ago 2
Value and premium... There are those words again.
I don't understand why people think the Genesis is valuable or premium considering they skimp in areas such as not including an A/C seat for the front passenger, only having a 500W audio system even though they claim it is as good as the one in the RR and many competitors have 600+ watts for less money. Also, you are paying for a Hyundai experience at Hyundai dealers where Hyundai techs will be working on your 40K car. That's hardly valuable.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
SpiaggiaVita? What is that, french for splooge in my eye? Dude, I have 2hyundai genesis ( I won't go into how I got them) and I don't care what you say, I've had sex with more ladies in those cars then you've watched on porn sites. Hyundai Genesis:1 , French guy with splooge in the eye: 0
Iloveponies4fun 2 years ago
SpiaggiaVita
"I don't understand why people think the Genesis is valuable or premium "
Hahahaha hyundai doesn't need a freaking AC for the passenger seat to be called premium or valuable, stupid girl doesn't understand about cars. ^^ Then whats valuable? ur Ford Focus??? Go create an anti hyundai club
gw21000 2 years ago
Yes, my car is valuable. I could atleast tell you why it is. Not that you could tell my why the Genesis is valuable or anything. Still waiting. And yes they do need the passenger seat to be airconditioned to be considered premium. Especially when key competitors offer that for the same or lower price. Also, I didn't know that old technology is considered premium. Is it just me, or is there nothing new or amazing about the Genesis? Well, that's what I got from their website and driving it...
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
SpiaggiaVita
LOL seats without an A/C seat for the passenger wow big deal! when u have the car of the year, with a lexicon system, lambda engine with 370 HP ^^ Stupid your argument.
gw21000 2 years ago
Is that even a complete sentence? I don't even know what to say about that. Lambda engine? Big whoop, there are plenty of powerful cars out there for that money. Since when does an engine have to be Lambda to be considered good? And Lexicon? Yeah only 500 Watts compared to others with 600 plus Watts for less money. Big freaking deal. I think your argument is stupid. Also, you say car of the year as though North American is all that matters. You realize that the VW golf is world car of the year?
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
Spiaggia,
Shut the hell up and name five vehicles in the same class that have better reviewers' ratings and higher bang/buck value.
If you can't, PLEASE shut the hell up!
itgeek8888 2 years ago
Why are you so desperate for me to shut up? If you really want me gone, acting like a child isn't going to get you anywhere. But, you may have realized that.
5 other vehicles? All I need is one. But, that's not the point. I am not saying the car has no value. I am saying it is not as valuable as people claim. But if you must know the Avalon, MKS, MKZ, S80, S60, Taurus, X-type, ES, 3-series and CC have all gotten great reviews and offer everything the Genesis does for roughly the same price.
SpiaggiaVita 2 years ago
I test drove a Genesis sedan, the 3.8 with all options, $40k. Met my expectations for a big luxury car in most ways with a few exceptions. The trans. was too shift happy in city traffic and very harsh 2-1 shift. The ride was very stiff and jittery. My '06.5 Optima rides firm too, but smoother. Engine, wind, and road noise were wisper quiet, but outside traffic noise seemed more prominent than in my Optima, which really caught my attention. Quality and features are amazing. Tons of car for the $.
palebeachbum 2 years ago
hey, i have one it's the best car i've ever had:)
shuihyaaisbat 2 years ago 2
Beautiful car Wish I had one. Maybe my next car... after I'm done with my 2007 Sonata V6 . Would buy another Hyundai without hesitation.
tuffy2342 2 years ago 4
My lad y and I rented a 2007 Sonata to drive to Charleston and it drove like a well oiled well powered sewing machine. This Genesis will probably be my next car when I'm back in the market. Owner of a 2000 Q45t and Lincoln Ls
totaljett 2 years ago 2
It looks like a great car, when I first saw it on 24 I thought "What the hell, what car is this?"
Paulo412349 2 years ago 5
justt amazing.
kkangandy08 2 years ago 6
Its an incredible car. I still cant believe it packs SO much features at a price that low compared to comparable models.
ConceptVBS 2 years ago 6
Awesome vehicle! I intend to buy one soon.
DerAdventurer 2 years ago 5
ME TOO
bluphi93 2 years ago 5
Yay! :D Let's celebrate, then! I intend to buy one blue with dark red interior. Saw one last month when I was in NY and I absolutely loved it!
DerAdventurer 2 years ago 4