26-27 - United Pentecostals -VS- Christianity - DEBATE

[eciscokid1976]

The Holy Spirit is GOD's spirit, not a separate person. GOD the Father and Jesus his Son. (1 John 2:22-23) Perhaps this is how it is.... Just a thought.

The scripture says (Psalms 34:8) O taste and see the Lord is good; blessed is the man that trusteth in him. God is a good God and he loves us though we are sinners and died for us.

Thank the Lord, that on that day (crucifiction) GOD treated Jesus like he was me, deserving of death and now God treats me as His Son that I may live! Amen

[j4270108]

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

World in this verse means the unsaved. If Cornelius was not baptized according to UPC theology, then they were part of the world and unsaved, hence not able to recieve the Holy Spirit. Their theology does not fit the Scriptures. However, I do know a 'Jesus only' and do indeed to consider him a brother in Christ.

[wall1011]

If United Pentecostals won't accept you as brother - here I am accepingt you as my brother because I love you with the Love of the Lord Jesus.

[diggadoo12]

...to present and past participles of greek grammar is absurd. Maybe just maybe it is written as God intended. That God is multi-faceted, but singular nevertheless. That God is God, and there is no dividing Him. And that I peter 3:20 compared to Acts 2:38 seems pretty clear.

I am not discounting the Greek, but this idea puts that over the last 2000 years all those who didnt know greek grammar may be practicing false doctrine due to uneducation. Nonsense.

[diggadoo12]

I have one major probelm with this fellow always refering to Granville Sharp, and AT Robertson and so on....what of all the peoples who will never handle study or be conversational in Koine Greek Grammar? Did God make His gospel so counfounding that it would take a scholor to grasp it? Jesus came to preack to the bound, broken, captive, not the scholars...they were the Pharisses/Saducces.

To assume that this gospel which God knew would get preached the World over would be hammered down...cont.

[pmblatino]

Can somebody explain me who or what is 3:10

[2222pauline]

CLICK on 2222pauline

ALLOW me to show you -----TRUTH and salvation -------> for free

[DonJay777]

@2222pauline Sorry. we don't need you, or anyone else but the Holy Spirit to show us the Truth. We can find it fine without you.

[2222pauline]

@DonJay777 This is true. It is the Holy Ghost that leads and guides us in to all trues. But many say the holy spirit is showing me TRUTH and they don t have the Holy Ghost like they did in the book of Acts. They simple recieve the holy spirit in Faith. Thats not the book of Acts , they recieved the Holy Ghost with TONGUEs, as the Spirit gave the utterance. Hope this is Your exsperience with GOD. ACTs 2-38

[CubanStylez101]

These guys have spent more time fighting than debating.... I been waiting for who is going to throw the first curse word or a punch!!!

[kb9ylu]

oh the oneness doctrine, i see. Do they deny the Holy spirit? I like the KJV its a good word for word translation! NIV is missing a lot of verses, WHY?

[kb9ylu]

oh the oneness doctrine, i see. Do they deny the Holy spirit?

[mrcodingzone]

@kb9ylu we do not deny the Spirit. ..because the Spirit that dwels in Christ is the same Spirit who created the world. I Tim 3:16. .God manifest in the FLESH! Gen 1:2, the Spirit of God moves upon the face of the waters; John 4:24, God is a SPIRIT!

[kb9ylu]

oh the oneness doctrine, i see

[GiniaMarie1]

I'm going to investigate and keep searching!

[BurpinChunks]

walter martin is a fraud - his family said he died praying - he really died on the toilet.

[IsaacBG84]

I attend a Onesness church here in my country, since i was a baby. I do beleive that God is one and i ofteen see Him as one person in the throne, i se Jesus on it, however i dont argue with trinitarians because i know in my heart that they also beleive that Jesus is God, so why i must argue?nope because i know i could be wrong in my preception of God in the same way that they can be and that isnt important....

[tleach34]

You all sound pathetic. This is why people like me who have experienced the power of the holy spirit and have tried our best to meet the standards have failed. All of these men have loved the lord have experienced his presence. But you all sound like fools asking each other if you are a brother in christ. He has saved my soul...and my life. When you meet God someday, he will laugh at you for your stupid debate...

[01jimjames]

'OUR' image, HE SAID, they all have the same one! not three images. Come on, Wake up

[pupils011]

m oneness but this is what I don't get what is it about the trinity that connects all three of them that makes them one? They all have separate wills separate consciousnesses separate everything yet there one. That's like having three apples which are all the same color same amount of seeds same stems same everything but saying these are not three apples but one apple WTFrick!??!!??

[rossdaboss1959]

Let us make man= Proverbs 8:22-36. Isaiah 44:24, 45:17-19, 22, 46:5,9-10, If Jesus would of said he was God or the father in the beginning, he wouldn't of had any followers. Many wanted to walk away even when he said he was the son. Notice as he came to the end of his life, he started to show them plainly of the Father. Father in Creation, Son in redemption, Holy Ghost in the church. This is why the Holy Ghost infilling is so important to reveal the truth and have power. Acts 2:38 his plan.

[rossdaboss1959]

Picture a room filled with smoke, the smoke is God in his original form. Put a body in the room and it will fill up with the same smoke. There is not two or three. Colossians 2:9, in him dwelleth all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily. He was in the world and the world was made by HIM. The word was made FLESH. Isaiah 9:6, The mighty God, The everlasting Father. The prince of Peace. If u haven't had a supernatural birth, u are not saved, Period. Not everybody that say LOrd Lord shall enter.

[strangerlover11]

First of all these pagon even don't understand when jesus says when i depart than

the comforter will come ...they saying that comforter is holy ghost....but he use the

world he will guide you he , he, he, he .....8 times he mentioned He....does he means holy ghost....haahahaha..and for pass 2,000 years what that holy spirit give you new things...but jesus says he will guide you for many things...hahahhaha

[oneness978]

It's really crazy how alot of oneness and trinitarian believers divide themselves over this issue. Seriously?! This is one reason why I never bring up this issue with fellow trinitarian brothers, even if I am oneness, because it causes useless division. I can honestly say that when I go to heaven, I won't be offended if God really is three persons. And if God really is one God with three manifestations, then trinitarians shouldn't get offended. We believe in the same God. Be blessed

[ritchloui]

@oneness978 This is all baloney. God has in fact got 3.12 personalities and He insists that we hit our heads on the ground 6 times a day because we don’t really believe in Him. He doesn’t know anything about science, or logic or reason. He prefers to threaten people who don’t love Him enough. So, to repeat, God has 3.12 personalities and anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

[oneness978]

@ritchloui ROFL that's hilarious

[mja3806]

Brother Martin you have the Holy Spirit so I pray that He will lead you into all truth - as He did with me (speaking in tongues years before I was baptised as a believer in the name of Jesus)

[TheEOW2011]

God exists in three distinct, equal persons. A human can not comprehend that with a finite mind.

[rossdaboss1959]

@TheEOW2011 that's not true at all. Isaiah 9:6. There is no trinity in the Bible. If u don't have the Holy Ghost like they received on the day of Pentecost, u can't know the truth anyway. They are the same person.

[santanajosue]

@TheEOW2011 hmm if were are made in Gods image( singular) then how come we dont have 3 distinct, equal persons as well?

[santanajosue]

@TheEOW2011 hmm if were are made in Gods image( singular) then how come we dont have 3 distinct, equal persons as well?

[angel2nz]

Hmmm, That the nature of God, the Son's work and essentially, the Gospel itself (doctrinal issues) are irrelevant. If that's true, then just chuck being a Christian and be a moral Atheist.

[Pjaynes781]

I agree with you, yes, these people are arguing over "Doctrinal" differences which does nothing but confuse the masses. In my opinion, people like these dont go out and feed the poor because they think they're to important. The idea of being a servant of Christ is just that, a SERVANT. I was in a Pentecostal church from the time I was in the womb till I was 18 and I can say that yes, the people I was around in the UPC are very arrogant and really mislead about the scriptures.

[musicmusing]

@Pjaynes781 this is my experience also. Feed the poor? oh, let them sell that t.v.! sponsor an oversea child so he can eat? its kinda hard when you are giving 20-30% to the church. there really is that arrogance and pride that 'we are the elite',' we are the true church', etc. What about the widows? the fatherless? they seemed to delight in the misfortunes of others as if it was always Gods way of teaching them a lesson

[frigginguest]

Well, second of all, I'm not going to brag about the various other "good deeds" I do that was just to show you how wrong you are in your sterotyping but primarily the last time I checked the US of A still has the freedom of speech & if I so choose to leave a comment & "bash" your precious religion there's not a whole lot you can do about that. And finally I don't have a "Lord" that needs my defense!? I don't recall "bashing" Jesus but if you choose to have a discussion feel free to message me.

[frigginguest]

clicked on this link by accident... how friggin' boring. It's like competing in the special olympics! Even if you win, you are still retarded! The bible has so many conflicting dogmas it's no wonder there are over 37 THOUSAND denominations. Also the basic story of christ is a retelling of other ancient religions, look up ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Bhuddism... who WON?!?! Who friggin' cares?!?!

[cryinglion]

You have a right to an opinion just as anyone else. This kind of debate has been going on for years. But this was a serious debate between those who were/are passionate about this topic. Your comments are not helpful to either side of this debate. If you are a mature person, then focus on feeding the poor, taking care of the elderly, loving your neighbor...these are things that Jesus Christ wants us ALL to do.  I'll bet you don't show any kindness at all to anyone. Sad...very sad.

[frigginguest]

You are 100% right, I DO have a right to my opinion. You are also right that I do NOT show kindness at all to anyone. It's amazing how much you know about me from my comment. I volunteer at a battered womens shelter and assist them & their small children get away from abusive relationships and guess what? These dads are "good christians", I am just an evil atheist tho, & my comments are immature and not helpful to either side of the debate. OF COURSE NOT! The friggin' debate itself is POINTLESS!

[cryinglion]

Well first of all, if in fact you are helping out at a womens shelter then I commend you for it. There is no excuse for beatings by anyone (Christian or otherwise). Jesus calls us to help people. And I admit, I can do more. But, I will defend my Lord nonetheless. It was you who stated that you found this video by accident. It was you that bashed Jesus. If you claim you're the better person, you should have hit the "back" button instead of leaving your nasty comment in the first place.

[Pjaynes781]

@frigginguest Sounds like youve been watching Zietgiest. That movie was proven to be mostly false.

[frigginguest]

@Pjaynes781 not really sure what Zeitgeist has to do with my opinion but I assume you are referring 2 the FACT that I mentioned where Christianity has over 37K denominations, that is a FACT reported by Christianity Today. Regarding ancient religions the Torah has many unoriginal stories surprisingly similar to those of several ancient cultures check out your local library.

[frigginguest]

@Pjaynes781 Anyways my point was that these poor folks are arguing over some doctrinal difference that is completely irrelevant. Many religions have come and gone as will Christianity eventually, though neither of us will be likely to be around when that occurs. Here's a question for you, "Why aren't these folks feeding the poor instead of arguing over who's right?"

[ajbornagain]

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. what is this telling you???? reply

[ajbornagain]

13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

[ajbornagain]

11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. he may abide with you for ever;

[ajbornagain]

John 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

[marcustakedown1210]

but preaching a DOCTRINE opposite to the one CHRIST preached is not to be excepted..... so no they dont have to except any doctrines... it says flee from those who preach FALSE doctrine.....

[MrJames1611]

peacoman, YOU'RE CRAZY, Are you serious???? These UPC'ers got spanked, real hard!

[kennyt77]

Earlier Bro. Martin called these men a cult, why would he want to be their brother? He is trying to set them up.

[peacoman]

Jesus ONLY! You need to be baptized in Jesus' name to be a brother in the Lord. How can you be brother without being in the family.

[victor77281488]

Tjean even you wrote about the Father and the Son as "both." why did you write that, if you only believe in one person in the Godhead?

 Answer, you wrote that because it is in the Scripture. "Both" means more than one, not the same one twice or in two different manifestations.Now believe it, believe that their are distinctions between the persons of the Godhead while at the same time God is One in essence. This is a mystery, not a contradiction, you should embrace it if infact you are saved.

[victor77281488]

"Tjean," this is really not that hard. But if you are unregenerate, you will never understand the Doctrine of the Trinity. I am speaking to you frankly, I do not mean to be mean, really.

Again all that "Cal," and every orthodox saved Christian are saying is if you knowingly deny the distinctions in the Persons of the God head, which the Holy Ghost inpired grammer of Scripture is screaming at you that you accept, then you are denying the God of scripture and are lost.

[cananlupita]

Please translate this vidios to spanish, do you think can be possible,

thanks and God bless you.

[dllozano25]

To everyone watching this debate. I would stongly recommend a recent debate that in my opinion is more enlightening. Just type in the youtube search box

Oneness -VS- Trinity - DEBATE - 1/11

[victor77281488]

This is the best part of the whole debate.

If you deny the prepositions, you are a heretic!!! This is serious. 1 John chapter 2 says you are anti-Christ. Believe the entire Bible, including the prepostions.

If you deny the fact that the Bible makes destinctions between the persons of the Godhead, then you have another God. Your God therefore is a Demon. Repent of this grave error all of you oneness pentecostals and perhaps the Lord will have mercy on you.

[tjean8]

What in the World are you talking about? 1 John 2:23. Now tell me how are they antiChrist. Doesnt it say if you have the Son than you have the Father. If they are two different person than how can i have both?

[StayWellYouKn0w]

AMEN!

[Sckully]

How in God's name"Jesus" can Oneness Pentecostals b ainti-christ...come on

[stopplayingchurch]

The grammer requires distinct persons.

[mdministries]

I hold to the "Oneness" faith but I think both of these groups of men are making the church look really bad..

I think that if one is saved by the Blood and repented, then according to the bible, they are saved!!

There is a greater truth, but you can't say that either is going to hell cause they don't see the "revelation" of Jesus!!

Sad, we must come together at the cross!!!

[SHCkeyboardist]

I obey the bible not Granvil sharps rule

[liberatedvialove]

What is reading w/o an understanding

[AnHonestChristian]

Regardless of the subject of the debate, I'm just so glad and surprised to see a Protestant apologist defending the Catholic Church.

[GreekOrthodoxy]

Martin's protestant theology can't be traced prior to the 16th century.

[odeivonimajneb]

Wow, oh the ignorance don't go posting unless you've studied! It's so easy to say this but have you spent endless hours studying church history? Probably not because your statement is so full of ignorance.

[uboyny]

thats the worst toopay ive ever seen lol its a trinity toopay lol

[mhennessey01]

When were Sharp's rules formed? 200 years ago!! When was the Bible written? ....

Seems like a lot of trinity theology is based on this "rule" that some guy, albeit probably a well-meaning, smart man, came up with. That's a dangerous thing to base your theology on. "Though an angel appear unto you preaching any other gospel..."

I had rather obey God than man.

GB

[moz165]

i'm oneness the good news is who the one's who follow the bible the one's who will be save... i'm trying to say oneness and Assemblies of God are in salvation!!!

[truelatino09]

ok first of all he does have the fruits of the spirit, but what he is trying to say is that if you dont follow Acts 2 38 you cant say your a brother of mine when you cant clearly obey. When we say they are lost we are not saying you guys will go to hell, but simply saying you guys are blind and need to obey in order to finish the process of your salvation. We are trying to help you guys understand that and truly be called a son of God

[yesGodknows]

yes, for this reason, UPCI should be baptized as Jesus said, it is in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

[rightlydivide08]

where is the upc love??? if they are really following jesus

[Antlerman9999]

Well now, isn't that just it? You shall know them by their fruits. They find their strength in an argument, not in a heart of humility. I know these folks. I know Rev. Sabin personally. I know the fruits based on argument. They, and many within fundamentalist Christianity as well are the equivalent of modern-day Pharisees.  Their righteousness is derived from their adherence to doctrine, not the heart.

[rightlydivide08]

you personally know sabin,well that means its harder for you to see the truth. We all who know life know that when a serial killer is caught all the people who knew him daily;always said no way he couldve done this or that. He was such a nice man etc.. Why becuase those closest to something are the most blinded. If you replay and listen from your heart and you listen to the debate again seperate your friendship,you just might hear jesus-Martin has the Holy spirit-listen

[Antlerman9999]

You misunderstand what I said. Sabin bases his religion on an argument (a bad one, I'll add), not on the heart. My knowing him gives me not just an outsider's point of view, but one who knows first hand how broken the approach of the UPC is towards spiritual matters. I essentially was agreeing with your comment. I am probably more critical than you would be of him because of having sat under him. The fruits ultimately showed the truth behind the arguments: which was none.

[rightlydivide08]

Oh I stand corrected Antlerman--- I thought you were under the spell. Praise the Lord Jesus you have the truth in your heart. Then join us sharing the gosphel--to all. Its so hard out there. Islam.jeh wit,mormons then we struggle in our own churches. The harvest is great but the laborers are few.

[cincytuckyblk]

I see ignorant people debating well read, knowledgeable people. Study to show thyself approved, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Dr. Martin and his partner needeth not to be ashamed! Dr. Urshan and Sabin are not studied. That is evident.

[lawtonhenry87]

drjones444, how can you possibly say they edited the tape? did you even watch it? it is obviously shown in its entirety. And to every oneness person who keeps refering to trinitarians worshipping 3 gods, you only demonstrate your ignorance of the trinitarian doctrine. every christian who is a trinitarian believes ine ONE GOD.

[JESUSISLOVE7777777]

the reason why it usually says GOD the Father and JESUS CHRIST is because first of all, the Bible says

1 John 4:2

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Acts 4:12

12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

JESUS is GOD robed in flesh.GOD still sat on the throne as the omnipotent spirit,but JESUS was everything GOD is but wrapped in flesh

[JESUSISLOVE7777777]

that is why it said

Phillipians 2

5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

[JESUSISLOVE7777777]

JESUS IS ONLY WAT HE IS BECAUSE OF THE GOD(DIETY)THAT WAS IN HIM. that is why it constantly says GLORY to GOD n JESUS CHRIST, because we cant even worship GOD appropriately if we dont go through the way GOD made for us-JESUS!! JESUS is GOD only because he came being everything GOD the FATHER is, jus wrapped in flesh, but when the role of flesh was done, it ascended back on up and GOD had a new way for people to worship him and come to him-through JESUS CHRIST-WHEN GOD WAS THE PERFECT SACRIFICE

[Antlerman9999]

Wow! I was a student who graduated under Rev. Sabin at ABI where he taught, and all I can say in viewing this now years later looking back is wow! All his charismatic charm is totally laid waste here and his knowledge exposed as utterly lacking.

I left them on my own through my own studies, but I wish I would have had exposure to this back then! But T.V. was forbidden by them back then. I wonder why?! :)

What a wonderful trip into my past. Thank you!

[cincytuckyblk]

Well, said. Knowledge is power. Church should empower the people, not put them in bondage!

[pastorrobertehardy]

after 26 videos someone is still saying 3 Gods. That is pure ignorance

[stingoftruth]

it's called b.r.s. [broken record syndrome] this was after 3 solid hours of the trinitarians saying we do not believe in 3 gods, we do not believe in 3 gods, we do not believe in 3 gods. i wish they woulda added just 1 more person to each side, i'd have loved to see a couple of ppl from the a/g, or a real pentecostal church come and rip apart the 1 ness theology

[JESUSISLOVE7777777]

wow, craziness-but yea, it says there's only 1 LORD, one faith, one Baptism. there is only one Saviour. The Old Testament says THE LORD is it, and there is none other beside me, and the New Testament says it's JESUS and that he is on the right hand of GOD. trinity=contradiction, oneness=truth.

scrtiptures are Isaiah 43:11 and Titus 3:6 and Mark 16:19, Ephesians 4:5

[purrtikat]

In the long run only one God will be sitting on the throne when he comes back show me where it says we worship three Gods in the bible...go on show me..

[purrtikat]

When was God ever a person God always exsisted but the only time he became flesh was when he came to earth as Jesus...read your bible 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

[AnHonestChristian]

How about some of you nontrinitarians read about Jesus' baptism in Matthew 3. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are shown as being distinct Persons of one Being, and not manifestations of one Person.

[NoSuchThingAsTrinity]

How could you clearly and assuredly believe that God is truly three seperate and distinct person? This is Crazy. How? Even demons tremble and know that there is one GOd. Not different person. You pray in the name of the Trinity and you won't get an answer. But you pray in EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO AKA THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST THEN CAN YOU RECEIVE AN ANSWER. THE NAME OF GOD IS JESUS CHRIST. GOD SAID IN ZECHARIAH THAT HIS NAME HE SHALL REVEAL. ITS JESUS.

[drjones444]

Its funny to me how trinitarians say that we ignore the grammer of the text simply because Brother Urshan could not answer a few questions. Brother Urshan was NOT a debater nor was he a Greek and Hebrew scholar. He was a great organizer and blew away all men in Godliness. Look at the sources that Martin cites. They're either stretched, misconstrued or outright wrong. This debate solved nothing despite what trinitarians might think.

[NoSuchThingAsTrinity]

I love you bro! We've gotta love truth and hate lies because if we don't then we will be given a strong delusion like the funny looking, foolish talking guys on this clip. GOd help us.

[drjones444]

I love you too. I had a talk with Bro. Urshan in the past, he said that they deleted parts of this debate. He said that there were some times when the trinitarians had no answer and were just spellbound. This is not the full debate in its entirety. But any trinitarian would deny that of course.

[stingoftruth]

prove it?

[brothermikke]

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent; hath he said, and shall he not do it?or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Could "man of war" in Ex 15:3 simpley be one of more than 1000 titles and descriptions throughout the bible of who he is?

[yesGodknows]

UPCI don´t care about grammar, and about personal pronouns. They just useppor arguments that support their lack of understanding about grammar. 2 Cor13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

[drjones444]

Trinitarians overlook the thousands of one God passages in the Old Testament.

[yesGodknows]

Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father´s Son, will be with us in truth and love. 2 Jn 1:3

[bandjoboy]

god is spirit but he reveals himself in person

[brothermikke]

By the way, The words "God the Son" does not appear anywhere in the Bible. It does say however, God the Father, The Son of God and the Holy Spirit. That is a big differance after listening to so many.

[brothermikke]

All 4 keep talking about persons. Where is this in the bible? God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit. The only person I've found mentioned is the only begotten of the Father. He was crucified.

[brothermikke]

I'm so glad that the bible clearly states that God is Spirit. It also says that God is not a man that he should lie. I still havn't found anywhere that the bible says that there is one, two or even three persons in the Godhead. By my spelling and grammer you can probably tell that I'm no genius but at least I can see that there are no persons in the Godhead.

[pastorlevi]

Ever read 1 John 5:7?

[brothermikke]

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

No persons mentioned. Only Spirit.

[pastorlevi]

You've got to be kidding! There ARE THREE that bear record, or testify in heaven. Not one who manifests Himself in three ways. There are three - that's the point. I'm blown away by the blindness and pure silliness of the Oneness people.

[drjones444]

...And these three are one.

[cincytuckyblk]

Pray for them man. I saw that when I read that passage. They are like the Jews.

[yesGodknows]

yes, the UPCI are like the jews, they don´t recognize the words of my Lord Jesus Christ when said my brothers are the people that listen the word of God and keep them.

[pastorlevi]

Ex 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. It's a matter of semantics. He is a man, unless you don't believe the Word of God. He isn't a mortal, finite man, but He certainly is a MAN of war.

[pastorlevi]

Brothermikke, did it ever occur to you that when a Trinitarian uses the word "person" they do not mean it in the sense you obviously think they do? Study the subject a little. You'll find that Trinitarians have never liked the word "person" in reference to God. The only reason we use it is to show there are three personal distinctions in the Godhead. If you can't see three "I's" or three "who's" in the Bible you are blind.

Job 13:8 Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?