Prototype PCB Soldering Demo 1

[andywarwick001]

Took your Advice on the Preheater went with Aoyue 863. decided to replace the tierd 968. I went with the Aoyue 768 Rework station. It get to Temp. in seconds and cools down just as quick. Has a timed temp rise etc to finish the profile set on the pre-heater. The iron is more powerfull than the 968's I figured the power supply might come in handy for mobile phone repairs but thats about it as it will only push 15v @ 1 amp max. Haven't had a return since. I Really Appreciate yr help.Thankyou.

[flesknava]

@andywarwick001 Really nice to hear that you have found something useful here in Youtube :) Looks like 768 is good choice and I think that you are going to have lot's of fun with that rework station. I wish you all the best and remember not to breathe any soldering fumes :)

[fingerboy18]

It doesn't thermally shock the components?

[kbruin79]

How well the vaccum pick up tool works on the Aoyue 852A+ Station vs the EFD 1500DV ?

I am considering buying the Aoyue 852A+

Thanks for the video !

[lonesoldier33]

I say leave it to machines. That's bloody confusing :\ lol

[andywarwick001]

Hey buddy. Ok I' have been getting by with a 968 for the lat 2 years re-flowing but the return rate on the re-flows is beginning to escalate. Will this help with the reliability factor and provide a better wetter?

[flesknava]

@andywarwick001 If you mean Aoyue 853A Preheater I can heartily recommend it. It prevents thermal shock (PCB and components), saves time and gives better wetting if you reflow or rework multilayer boards. Nowadays I always use preheater (Aoyue or Martin) for reworks if it's possible.

[mickey0667]

I muted the volume. Instead of the stupid music you could simply explain what the hell you are doing at each step. That way someone would learn something from this.

[flesknava]

@mickey0667 You're right, but it would take me too much and I don't want to spoil the video with my mumbling.

[egeotomasyon]

Some mistakes on PCB;

IC29 (AD820) -> Wrong IC and also misplaced

R94 -> Capacitor,

R101 -> Diod

R100 -> Diod........

:))

[pufarinu]

very good, your hand is amazing, gold hand !

[DanFrederiksen]

neat

[eddyjawed]

Can I use a hairdryer for air flow?

[flesknava]

@eddyjawed Buy a heat gun from hardware store. It's much better for that job than hair dryer :)

[CalicoatMaker]

@eddyjawed Hair dryer will blow the pieces off the board. Heat gun is more about heat, uses air only to deliver it.

[eddyjawed]

@eddyjawed Thanks for the advice :)

[XGCKrazyK]

@eddyjawed Hair dryers dont get hot enough, hence the heat gun.

[SINBrutal99]

what is the solder paste for?

[skaraoschi]

is the solder paste an amalgam?

[flesknava]

@skaraoschi You need to contact to your dentist if you have problems with your teeth.

[skaraoschi]

@flesknava my teeth are fine thanks for your concern , i asked you if it was an amalgam because i have only worked whit wire solder which limits me to work only with big components

[plentyoflife]

do you use just soldering paste? did you put the solder before??

[plentyoflife]

what's the temperature and air flow you use????

[reply4reply]

how did you know which capacitor goes to what? or there was a manual for it

[N00B283]

pretty hardcore if u ask me:D

[lapulapu12345]

R= resistor C=capacitor number=i don't know

[lapulapu12345]

@lapulapu12345 I THOUGHT THAT WAS IT

[michaelbrick85]

what watt should i use to soder wires to a board.

[Sirstan2000]

Excellent video, most helpful and instructional, great music too.

I learnt something today, at my age it's a miracle!

[flesknava]

@Sirstan2000 I try to learn one new thing every day but nowadays I forget two things every day...

[jaffabend]

@flesknava Yeah! But I find that I don't remember what it was that I forgot and so don't realise I miss it.

[playnow93]

wats the music anyone...

[flesknava]

@playnow93

Music:

song: The Lost Coast

artist: Ivan Rosenberg

album: The Lost Coast

length: 3:14

genre: Country & Folk

[AdvancedGamer52439]

is this board any use? I am starting to learn how to solder. I know how to fix wires.

[avatarcollides2day]

sex slave????????????

[ldandco]

hi there, what's the model/brand of the solder paste that you use in the video with the heat gun?

[flesknava]

@ldandco

It was AIM WS-485 or Koki SS4-M951DK. I can recommend Koki if you had to choose either one of these.

[Duvalinson63]

i need help soldering a chip wich the pins are underneath...plaese help

[JustJereInCalif]

Your two SMD-related videos are outstanding -- thank you for posting them!

May I ask: (1) Do you feel that pre-heating the PCB is necessary when reflow soldering? (2) Were your gloves necessary (a) for ESD protection? (b) for protection from reflow heat? (c) for handling the hot PCB? and, (d) can you recommend a brand [of gloves] and a reseller?

[flesknava]

@JustJereInCalif

1) Pre-heatin is not absolutely necessary. If you have multi-layer PCB and heavy components (SMT capacitors, inductors an so on) pre-heating is very helpful.

2) ESD gloves primary function is to protect PCB boards and components from greasy hands. They don't protect heat at all and alone they are not enough for proper ESD protection. Transfer Multisort Elektronik and Techni-Tool has good ESD gloves on their catalogs.

[patsaxon]

I have seen SMT machines do this automatically, but I have never seen anyone do this by hand? I worked in electronics assembly for many years as it was fun and fascinating.

[Duckyistrippin]

very nice. id love to afford such a station :)

[snakeeyes3883]

who here likes cheesie puffs?

[ManhalV3]

amazing

[yukonheart]

hey whats the music??

[flesknava]

@yukonheart

song: The Lost Coast

artist: Ivan Rosenberg

album: The Lost Coast

[animwild]

fantastic, thank you

[animwild]

great video, are you useing a paste dispenser that deposits the same amount of paste everytime or are you doing it by hand?? also, what vaccume tool are you useing to pick up and place the components??

[flesknava]

@animwild I use EFD 1500DV dispensing unit and it has vacuum tool on it. It has also timer function to control deposit size but I didn't use it this time.

[donnyab]

@animwild

why do you need a vacuum tool ?

[Compasscard]

What are the temperatures set to the heat gun and preheater? What make of solder paste is this (seems to be better flow than my SN62 PB36 AG2 paste.

[flesknava]

@Compasscard Solder paste is Koki (SS4-M951DK). Preheater temperature is set to 200°C and heat gun is set to 350°C for leaded solder and 400°C for lead free solder.

[chinnerz2]

wow that is the best idea i have seen all day!! and i made a pizza with skittles so thats saying something!!

[dumyyyyyy]

PERFECT!!!! good job!

[ultrasonicart]

yes it is very good indeed..

thinking of starting up on my own from home instead of my boss taking all the money.

[ultrasonicart]

wicked.. BUT

how comes you have put capacitors on R2 and R93 and a RES on C44..

or am i reading too much into it and its just a demo?

[flesknava]

It's just a demo. I did have some fun with my new toys and make a video of it. According to views count it has been very interesting video :)

[fronkenpoop]

Great work. Nice finish.

[0815tobey]

Is it possibl to remove those parts with tht hot air???

[flesknava]

@0815tobey Check out "Aoyue 852A+ SMD Rework Station Demo 2"

[fronkenpoop]

@0815tobey Yes

[jimbob172]

wow its like magic when the components align them selves

[Chrls5]

hollly molly,, that is niiiiice!!!

[ScrewAttackChina]

quick kids, why is he wearing gloves? Most soldering video's miss this important part of the process.. this dude knows what he's doing

[MrFanriado]

Tidy.

[TubeRippa]

what is that soldering pen that put dabs of solder and where exactly can I buy it? read it was from radio shack sku number?

what about the vacuum grabber sku number where can I buy it?

or do all this components come included with the 852a+?

[doerner101]

Thats funny. I assumed untitled meant you didnt know the name of the song. Thanks.

[pkpk614350]

where can I buy this "soldering pen"..

it's very useful when u using a single hand..

[chickenpoper]

radioshack dude. cheapest is like 10 dollars there. i got it nice oh and there is ones that used double a batteries :D...21 bux

[jcayer2]

Nice demo,

But IC29 is upside down... LOL !!!

[VodkaRussianNuclear]

lol you have an eagle eye lol

[Elamin008]

what is the type of the paste ??!!

[RythmTR]

you mean the epoxy?

[Elamin008]

yes , is it regular solder wire but liquid or what ?

[acdc126]

as I can see he add video but rarely answer to comments, maybe you could get answer to your questions from the company where he seems to work, Wurth Electronik its what I see on his glove. its on google...

[manitopoxipomax]

you put resistors into caps places and viceversa...

[mike478911]

just wodering does'nt  th eheat distroy the chips?

[dumyyyyyy]

very nice!

[vibeslord]

can i use this to solder solar cells?

[cyb3rphr33k]

excellent work! although R92 is not straight... :P

what solder paste do you use?

[flesknava]

I think it was AIM WS-485 or Koki SS4-M951DK.

[nanodocl]

Did you make the PCB too??

[flesknava]

No. It´s much easier and cheaper to leave that job for the board houses :)

[Jasper450r]

to make a board like that would be really hard at a home trust me i work a a circuit board shop

[RythmTR]

thats true it need too much precision.

[youser23]

so did the circuit work after your nice soldering? because in the video you place many R's where it's written C and the other way round :-)

[20RoyalSuperKing]

@youser23 I was thinking that! But what do I know, I'm a smt noob!

[ZdenekJindra]

@youser23 That's the exact thing that bugs me. The circuit was probably a waste of good components.

[donnyab]

just recently become interested in electronics, is this method appropriate for soldeing IC's with very fine pitch...of the order of 0.6 mm etc ?

[flesknava]

It´s hard to dispense solder paste dots manually for fine pitch components. You can draw just one thin solder paste row per side over all pads but there will be shorts to cleaned out.

[jkgamm041]

Remember me? Your work is top quality. Straight up Class 3 quality for high reliability soldering. No other hand process can place and solder chips this quickly with this consistency. Good metal!

[ClassicFIHD]

How long, and at what temp do you preheat the board for?

[flesknava]

I start soldering when board temperature was about 100°C/212°K. It takes about three minutes to reach that temperature. I use 200°C/392°K Set. Temp. in Aoyue preheater so actual board temperature won´t rise over 100°C/212°K. It works fine for me :)

[karthickiw]

what tools is use to place the SMD components in this video?

[flesknava]

Dispensing unit is EFD 1500DV

[sickwitwaves]

I prefer the 853A because of its dimensions heating ration. With the 853, I can only do small boards but the boards I will reflow are about 8 x 10 ish and I am looking to preheat the entire board. I will buy the vacuum and esd gloves. When I have all the necessary equipments together, I hope to speak to you with a better understanding on the topic. I have been told the nozzles to use and I am looking to buy a stand for hot air gun.

[sickwitwaves]

Yes, price is major issue. I do repairs on consoles and laptops. I mostly just reflow the GPU with hot air but I am looking for something with more control. I will also order the Aoyue preheater and a couple extra nozzles. I am new to reflowing BGAs, what would you recommend. I am thinking about purchasing a vacuum and the gloves I've seen you used.

[flesknava]

I think you can reflow BGAs just fine with Aoyue 968 + BGA-nozzle. You should also check out the Aoyue 853 preheater which is little cheaper than Aoyue 853A and it has also cooling function. Vacuum pen is "must" and ESD gloves are good to protect soldering joints and for your own protection (heat and soldering chemicals).

[sickwitwaves]

I saw an IR station for about $1,000 USD. The model is T870A. I have just purchased my Aoyue 968 and I'm thinking about buying the Aoyue preheater. I will be doing mostly BGA reflows and I was interested in your opinion. I will continue to watch your videos for hints and tips. Thanks

[flesknava]

I think Aoyue preheater is so inexpensive and improve solderability so much that I would recommend it to anyone who does SMD-soldering especially if you do lead-free.

I have tried Ersa HR 100 IR rework station and it was quite handy and effective for small components but I think that price is quite high.

[sickwitwaves]

What Pre-heater are you using?

[flesknava]

Aoyue 853A

[sickwitwaves]

Would you suggest hot air over an infrared stations?

[flesknava]

I did try to do this demo with low-budget tools but if you had to do this professionally every day then you had to invest professional tools.

Aoyue 710 looks interesting but I don´t want to pay 1.950,00 EUR for SMD-Reworkstation or 999,99 EUR for AOYUE-HHL-3000 Reflow Owen :)

[ipitythefool23]

is this the only way to solder on pcb's? couldnt you use a regular soldering iron/pen? thanks

[flesknava]

Yes you can use regular soldering iron but this is much more faster way to solder PCB proto boards.

[adidasboyz1]

hey im trying to solder wires onto a circut bord but every time i use solder is always gets stuck to the tip of the gun and never comes off or sticks any recamendations?

[oemguide]

What's the machine you used to do the solder paste apply?

[flesknava]

Dispensing unit is EFD 1500DV. You can also do dispensing manualy with syringe like in my "Prototype PCB Soldering Demo 2" -video.

[VoidKeeper]

the solder paste is applied with a tube, like glue :P

[Markitos203]

wow this is real nice, i'm currently enroll on an electronic engineer degree, this will help out a lot when i start manufacturing some of the things i got in mind

[umery2k75]

@flesknava

Can I use my hair dryer as a hot air station or can they be modify and how much does both machines cost you? I thanks so much to you for providing us so much vital information, infact I designed first SMD PCB in my life today.Haven't check it up for errors. Your way of doing was very smart. Thumbs up for you.

[flesknava]

@umery2k75

Hair dryer is too cold for melting solder. You can by a regular heat gun on your local hardware store and that works fine. You dont even need preheater. Just use low air flow on the heat gun so you dont blow components off the board. Little practise and you can do reflow with low budget tools :)

[Anoda666]

GREAT

[jiangyisjtu]

Great job.

I learned how to solder many smd components.

Thank you very much !

[tubsucks]

what temperatures did you use on the pre heater and hot air station for this?. I'm interested in doing the same but with lead free solder any help would be great! :) great vid btw

[flesknava]

For lead free soldering I use 400°C/750°K in hot air station. Preheater is always set to 200°C/400°K so the PCB´s temperature raises to 100°C/200°K after couple of minutes preheating. Don´t burn your fingers :)

[adisharr]

That's really slick - nice job :) Makes my work look like I soldered it with a waffle grill.

[vokuka]

Great Job! What kind of dispensing tool / machine do you use?

[flesknava]

Dispensing unit is EFD 1500DV.