@kgblenin Huh, I thought any intentional macking was illegal, but I've only been playing for about 2 years so I won't argue. Guess you learn something new every day.
Dude, i got to give you props for one of the greatest passes ive ever seen that was sick. and for those people who say it was "traveling" if a basketball player is saving a ball out of bounds and jumps in the air and grabs it and tosses it to a teammate while in midair.. is that a travel? NO ITS NOT.. same concept here.. he was in the air and tipped it/pushed it to a teammate. Nice video man
@markiank - it is perfectly legal. Rules only state that "macking" or "delaying" the disc to "oneself" is illegal. Says nothing about doing it to a teammate. And honestly. Since no one on either team thought there was anything wrong with it .....
@markiank - it is perfectly legal. Rules only state that "macking" or "delaying" the disc to "oneself" is illegal. Says nothing about doing it to a teammate. And honestly. Since no one on either team thought there was anything wrong with it .....
Tipping, brushing, etc. to someone else is legal. It is legal to tip/brush your own throw. However, if after a tip/brush, one is the first player to touch the disc, then it is deemed a tip/brush to oneself and it is a travel.
I, too, at first thought this was illegal, but then I looked it up. Tipping the disc to yourself to advance it is illegal, but it doesn't say anything about tipping it to a teammate. Good play, never seen a MAC-ed greatest before.
Looks to me like he has pretty good control considering it went right to the guy. And it's legal people deal with it. He wasn't on the ground, he deflected it slightly from it's course nothing I haven't seen a million times in league plays.
Looks to me like he has pretty good control considering it went right to the guy. And it's legal people deal with it. He was on the ground, he deflected it slightly from it's course nothing I haven't seen a million times in league plays.
I don't know which rules you guys are applying but in the Ultimate rulebook this is a tip/push and it is 100% legal. If he were standing still in one spot it would still be 100% legal. Mr.Tomhedget has no idea what he is talking about unless he plays in same random make your own rule league.
it's an illegal pass, the rule states that you cannot pass the disk to another player without having control of it, for example in a greatest the player catches the disk then throws it in the air. You however tipped this disk on without control of it which is illegal, it's not a travel just an illegal play.
But it does says that tipping to advance in any direction from where it intially was contacted is illegal. Clearly this tip/brush/mack was on purpose and it did advance the disc.....hence illegal.
That was like Ben Wallace rejecting a basketball. That was some quick thinking that created a sick pass. You get a lot of street credits for that one.
You bring up the very point I have been making all along....the beauty of Ultimate, that the rules are fluid/dynamic and that the people playing can make the calls.
However the second point I have been making is that this is not a legal play. Just because nobody made a call doesn't change the fact that it is illegal.
And like I have said many times, I think it was a cool play, just not a legal one.
A good old fashioned thread fight. Yes the rules don't clearly state that you can't tip it to someone else, but it also clearly states that tiping a disc PURPOSEFULLY to advance the disc in any direction is a vilolation.
Also taken from the 10 simple rules of ultimate in the back of the 11th edition:
4. Movement of the Disc: The disc may be advanced in any direction by completing a pass to a
Well ... a tip may not be a pass. And I don't care to argue whether or not it is. The one fact that remains is that no one in the match .. on either side ... argued the occurrence. You arguments have been overturned by reality
As you said: Players may not run with the disc. What it clearly means is that a player cant run while holding the disc. I didn't see him run with the disc. I saw him jump and tip the frisbee back into play and it being caught by someone, who then hit the ground, and started to roll. Notice how their feet didn't touch the ground before their knees did. About the tip not being a throw, like you said it doesn't say anything about the tip being illegal, so therefore it must be legal
Tips are only illegal if they are to yourself or if you threw the pass and no one else has touched it. Tips are essentially just really quick passes, and so they should only be considered illegal if it would have also been illegal for the player in question to catch it and then throw it again. This was a ridiculously impressive and very legal play. Great job!
No no no ... for once I wish you would all just actually read the rules before going in here to comment. Rule 18.2.6.6 states CLEARLY .. that you may not delay the disc to yourself ... there is no mention of doing this to a team mate. But I see the need to criticize what you can not do
no need to get nasty by claiming to know what i have, or have not done. As I said in my original post, I thought it was a very cool play (just not legal).
But again let me emphasize the beauty of Ultimate, if the players on the field all agree, then the play can stand. This is one of the reasons I plan on playing pick up Ultimate as long as my body will let me.
It's not a travel for one very simple reason: His feet never touched the ground. It's the same principle as a greatest. Tips aren't illegal it's considered a continuation of play.
Read the book before you spout off bullshit. I hope you don't call that crap on the fields.
@kgblenin it's an illegal pass, the rule states that you cannot pass the disk to another player without having control of it. However, for example in a greatest the player catches the disk then throws it in the air. You however tipped this disk on without control of it which is illegal, it's not a travel just an illegal play.
@VerylGoodnight dude. the sport isnt about arguing rules and calling people shit. for real its not nessisary. just call the play back if your not shure.
I'm gonna have to agree with Grand Mo here. This is a completely legal play. Self tips are illegal in ultimate, but there is no rule against tips to a teammate. This is just a really sick play.
Just for giggles .. explain why this would be a travel and a greatest is not. I mean an actual greatest is more likely to be a travel since there you at least have control over the disc. Read your rules again ...
Intentionally tipping the disc to advance it is illegal.
The greatest isn't a travel since you actually stop rotation and then throw it back into the field of play. Doing so from in bounds prior to making contact out of bounds.
It is the same reason why if you catch a disc while in the air and it is stripped (eventhough you haven't touched the ground) it is still a strip.
I don't see how this can be construed as me getting excited/angry about anything, I'm simply stating the rules for clarification, since some people misunderstood them.
Oh and FYI, I happen to be one of the better players on the youth ultimate scene, so yes people do care what I think.
This play is entirely legal. Read the rules thoroughly. You cannot advance the disc by purposely tapping it to yourself (thats a travel) but you are allowed to throw a disc while in the air if you have not set a pivot yet and before taking 3 steps (thats a typical greatest)
this is the same, but the deflector does not gain full possession of the disc, which doesn't matter.
what you did is called a mack (or mac, i'm not sure of the spelling). its pretty much just a deflection or a bump to keep the disc up or to change its direction. a greatest would involve you actually catching and throwing the disc before you or the disc hit the ground. i'm not discrediting this amazing play, but i just thought i might be able to shed a little light on the situation.
I am not deflecting it off of another player to myself .. I am hitting the disc towards another team mate. So, I am not sure that I see the point you are trying to make .. and, something most people who think this was against the rules seem to forget, the opposing team saw nothing wrong with it.
no the problem is you macked it to another player. It was a dirty play, for sure, but still not legal necessarily. That rule isn't quite it, but there is a rule that you can't intentionally mack.
Well the possession never changed during that play. Until the disc hits the ground or comes into the "possession" of an opposing player your team still has the disc. And the thrower isnt the person who deflected the disc. There are 3 total people that touched the disc. 1-The thrower (which threw near out of bounds) 2- A deflector (who simple tapped the disc with his finger tips to exchange the flight pattern) 3- And the receiver of he throw.
None of the arguments over the legality of the brush pass should matter. The player who threw the backhand huck traveled while throwing. Watch his left foot.
i mean not really. if your going to be that picky then technically you could say his right foot was his pivot which didn't move after he stopped running.
OK my friend who is so concerned with the rules .. to such a degree that you chose to omit a certain part of the rule in your comment ... Purposeful bobbling (including tipping, delaying, guiding, brushing, or the like) to oneself in order to advance the disc in any direction from where it initially was contacted (XV.A). .... Take note of the word "ONESELF". You are not allowed to purposefully brush to yourself. I had this argument 20 comments ago
Hm... I checked another website, and it appears that you are correct... I'm sorry for the prior indiscretion. Like I said before, hell of a play, and now I find it even more impressive. I can't wait to tell my local club about this! The possibillities are endless!
I'm not saying it wasn't a really tough play, nor that he didn't do something really spectacular there. However, I love ultimate, and I assume he does as well. In the spirit of the game, we should all want to play the game the way it is supposed to legally be played, instead of living in ignarance of a simple rule. He has my respect for the attempt, but he should also know that it wasn't legal.
UPA official rulebook version 11 ( the most current edition)
Section 16 (Violations and Fouls) Subsection J (traveling) Part 1 Rule c. : "c.Purposeful bobbling (including tipping, delaying, guiding, brushing, or the like) in order to advance the disc in any direction from where it initially was contacted"
A greatest is legal, but that's because it is defined as catching the disk then throwing it while still in the air. However, the problem with this play isn't in the location you brushed the disc, but instead with the legality of your catch. A catch is defined as posession of the disc when it is not moving or spinning... since you didn't preform a legal catch, then you performed and illegal tip pass. Completely unrelated to a greatest, and illegal.
dude that was nice. Even though the actual greatest is different. A greatest is when you dive outta bounds, catch the disk is mid air. and throw it back out to your teammate. All without touching the ground.
I know .. that is why I refer to it as a greatest brush. I make the brush after having left the ground and after hitting the disc I land a bit out of bounds. Not a purist version of the greatest .. but a reasonable version
The rules only make brushing to ONESELF a violation. I choose to interpret that to mean that it is perfectly legal to brush to a team mate. An opinion I might add that is not only shared by me. No one in the game, on either team, argued the occurrence . Plus I have seen it done in other games, all without anyone claiming that it is a violation. So, unless this changes your mind ... we will have to agree to disagree.
The discussion has been that since I only brushed the pass that is should be considered illegal. The greatest by definition, as I understand it, is catching a pass out of bounds and in the air and then throwing it before landing. It created a nice little discussion here. = D
Exactly, you just performed a greatest while the disc was in bounds. I don't believe there is any specific rule about the greatest that dictates that moving the disc, while you are in the air, must occur only when the disc is out of bounds. Therefore I say this is a totally legal play.
This is sick man
evilpandaperson 3 weeks ago
Who are you?
ghettopotato 1 month ago
This is definitely legal.
michaelhays92 1 month ago
Thts amazig
ilyalways2011 2 months ago
HEY!!! That's offside..
AHybrten 8 months ago
what is macking?
KentuckyFriedTorchic 8 months ago
I thought an intentional "macking" (idk how you spell that) of the disc to another player was illegal?
hardballin0808 8 months ago
@hardballin0808 And the discussion continues ... macking to yourself = illegal ... macking to others = NOT
kgblenin 8 months ago 6
@kgblenin Huh, I thought any intentional macking was illegal, but I've only been playing for about 2 years so I won't argue. Guess you learn something new every day.
hardballin0808 8 months ago
Is it a Jedi sword in the middle of the screen? :D
titusAID 8 months ago 2
Wow! That was sick man.
SuitandTieFilms 9 months ago
hang on a sec, a cougar is coming into my room... ''WOW!'' Well, the cougar summed it up quite well
AwesomeCoasters 10 months ago
this really shows how people are crazy...to invite a new sport..ULTIMATE FRISBEE...lol, what will be next?!, ULTIMATE belt jump?!
katarinamisic 11 months ago
@katarinamisic Invite?
DrSeptapus 11 months ago
@katarinamisic Ultimate is from 1968. What's new about it? Players are a bit crazy though I'll give you that. :)
danengs 11 months ago
@danengs cool fact i never knew bout world's best sport
XpERTGamingNation 9 months ago
Type PRIZE before youtube and hit enter
triforce92 1 year ago
I miss ultimate so much. I used to play once a week.
jasonofcompsci 1 year ago
@jasonofcompsci its been 9 years since i played... i still dream about it
ahclem55 1 year ago
Mike- what does this say that this video has more views than all of your other songs combined??
...except for the BI cover which was excelletnt
arena2101 1 year ago
@arena2101 whos mike?
XpERTGamingNation 9 months ago
Dude, i got to give you props for one of the greatest passes ive ever seen that was sick. and for those people who say it was "traveling" if a basketball player is saving a ball out of bounds and jumps in the air and grabs it and tosses it to a teammate while in midair.. is that a travel? NO ITS NOT.. same concept here.. he was in the air and tipped it/pushed it to a teammate. Nice video man
JeremeyT27 1 year ago 2
it is oh so sexy
ISt0leTheCookies 1 year ago
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markiank 1 year ago
@markiank - it is perfectly legal. Rules only state that "macking" or "delaying" the disc to "oneself" is illegal. Says nothing about doing it to a teammate. And honestly. Since no one on either team thought there was anything wrong with it .....
kgblenin 1 year ago
@markiank - it is perfectly legal. Rules only state that "macking" or "delaying" the disc to "oneself" is illegal. Says nothing about doing it to a teammate. And honestly. Since no one on either team thought there was anything wrong with it .....
kgblenin 1 year ago 2
@markiank
From the 11th edition:
The Receiver
Tipping, brushing, etc. to someone else is legal. It is legal to tip/brush your own throw. However, if after a tip/brush, one is the first player to touch the disc, then it is deemed a tip/brush to oneself and it is a travel.
GreenbergBass 1 year ago
beautiful pass dude
Titan14151 1 year ago
@JOEBIZCHIBULLS30 owned
Titan14151 1 year ago
nice pass, I enjoyed the vid, wish I could get out and play again
DrgonXeon 1 year ago
The slow-mo grunts at the back sounded like Mooing Cows...
ally3896 1 year ago
Pretty bad as man, since you guys like Frisbee and Huntsville, AL so much, you all should come down and do a show and throw some disc with us.
ddtwdmb 1 year ago
EPIC!!!!
Rowburt51088 1 year ago
wait why didnt you catch it
snipedbyanasian 1 year ago
thumbs up if the slo-mo grunts made you LOL
Druided 1 year ago 3
sweet. thx ARG
seanieemac 1 year ago
Was that legal?
Vicia2099 1 year ago
@Vicia2099 no is feet never touched the ground it just a continuation of play
xXiiNfAmOuSXx156 1 year ago
@xXiiNfAmOuSXx156 Then it was a great pass!!! Where is that? USA?
Vicia2099 1 year ago
@Vicia2099 wat u dont even make scene
xXiiNfAmOuSXx156 1 year ago
@xXiiNfAmOuSXx156 Is that an ofense? if it is, I wonder why?
Vicia2099 1 year ago
I, too, at first thought this was illegal, but then I looked it up. Tipping the disc to yourself to advance it is illegal, but it doesn't say anything about tipping it to a teammate. Good play, never seen a MAC-ed greatest before.
zoraknsg 1 year ago
I guess it is true you learn something everyday. I just got an email from USA Ultimate telling me this was a legal play.
I apologize not only was it a great play, but completely legal......many apologies.
Again great play.
frisbeedude99 1 year ago
damn!! that's a g00d pass dude!!
mcashezal 1 year ago
wow, i bet your coach hated you for risking that but thats amazing
kab00m23 1 year ago
props dude, you put the ultimate in the name of the game.
dexchan 1 year ago
Looks to me like he has pretty good control considering it went right to the guy. And it's legal people deal with it. He wasn't on the ground, he deflected it slightly from it's course nothing I haven't seen a million times in league plays.
SilentRaeth1 1 year ago
Looks to me like he has pretty good control considering it went right to the guy. And it's legal people deal with it. He was on the ground, he deflected it slightly from it's course nothing I haven't seen a million times in league plays.
SilentRaeth1 1 year ago
I don't know which rules you guys are applying but in the Ultimate rulebook this is a tip/push and it is 100% legal. If he were standing still in one spot it would still be 100% legal. Mr.Tomhedget has no idea what he is talking about unless he plays in same random make your own rule league.
JPBimmer 1 year ago
@JPBimmer check out page 32, 11th edition of the rules and then get back to me
bamafn91 1 year ago
Unquestionably legal. And that was a raw push. Props to him.
FeigEuphoria 1 year ago
It's completely legal.
x0neW1ngedAngel 1 year ago
Why the hell are people questioning the legality of this pass? Were you watching it? It was fucking awesome. Just chill.
GooeyBluey 1 year ago
cool :)
Tiedye373 1 year ago
it's an illegal pass, the rule states that you cannot pass the disk to another player without having control of it, for example in a greatest the player catches the disk then throws it in the air. You however tipped this disk on without control of it which is illegal, it's not a travel just an illegal play.
tomhodgett123 1 year ago 5
@tomhodgett123 For curiosity's sake, where is this rule exactly?
fisch138 1 year ago
That was sickly awesome dude!! Great play... BTW, also totally legal..
c) Purposeful bobbling (including tipping, delaying, guiding, brushing, or the like) "TO ONESELF" in order to
advance the disc in any direction from where it initially was contacted (XV.A).
Does not talk about tipping to someone else...
rsiddharthwimwi 1 year ago
But it does says that tipping to advance in any direction from where it intially was contacted is illegal. Clearly this tip/brush/mack was on purpose and it did advance the disc.....hence illegal.
frisbeedude99 1 year ago 3
nicee
cafeytv 1 year ago
Wow, whoever says that was travel is an idiot.
HunterPiazza 1 year ago
Really nice pass! Huge heads up play.
boneseh 1 year ago
seriously sick play. in a good way.
smtigg 1 year ago
I will agree that that wasn't a legal pass but that was a GREAT play!!!
812tray24 1 year ago
That was like Ben Wallace rejecting a basketball. That was some quick thinking that created a sick pass. You get a lot of street credits for that one.
-Mitch
Mitchigan14 1 year ago
DAmn!
xSantiago777 1 year ago
you could get called for that lol not a greatest but pretty sick
ILoveTheSmellOfNitro 1 year ago 6
@ILoveTheSmellOfNitro uh no, that was all legal, and it was a greatest. He jumped from in to out tipped the disc back in without touching the ground.
TheWentzMachine 1 year ago
i do however think the disc was coming back anyway, but that defender looked like he would have got it if it weren't for the tip.
TheWentzMachine 1 year ago
whhhooooo!!!!!!! dynomite!!
keith171 1 year ago
awesome
flokain 1 year ago
i didn't know ultimate frisbee was such a popular game! but i do know its fun!
danielwcas 1 year ago
Is that a Greatest I see? Amazing.
dtthorw2 1 year ago
lol no, it's not, but it is great nonetheless
mindreeder93 1 year ago 12
WOW
eggx4u 1 year ago
That's not a pass if you intended it to go to the guy who decided to tip the frisbee forward instead.
Rawk4Life 2 years ago 8
You bring up the very point I have been making all along....the beauty of Ultimate, that the rules are fluid/dynamic and that the people playing can make the calls.
However the second point I have been making is that this is not a legal play. Just because nobody made a call doesn't change the fact that it is illegal.
And like I have said many times, I think it was a cool play, just not a legal one.
frisbeedude99 2 years ago
You seem to know a lot about ''frisbees''.
kid43332 2 years ago
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mfm1030 2 years ago
A good old fashioned thread fight. Yes the rules don't clearly state that you can't tip it to someone else, but it also clearly states that tiping a disc PURPOSEFULLY to advance the disc in any direction is a vilolation.
Also taken from the 10 simple rules of ultimate in the back of the 11th edition:
4. Movement of the Disc: The disc may be advanced in any direction by completing a pass to a
teammate. Players may not run with the disc.
Sorry to say a tip is not a pass.
frisbeedude99 2 years ago
Well ... a tip may not be a pass. And I don't care to argue whether or not it is. The one fact that remains is that no one in the match .. on either side ... argued the occurrence. You arguments have been overturned by reality
jcruth28 2 years ago
As you said: Players may not run with the disc. What it clearly means is that a player cant run while holding the disc. I didn't see him run with the disc. I saw him jump and tip the frisbee back into play and it being caught by someone, who then hit the ground, and started to roll. Notice how their feet didn't touch the ground before their knees did. About the tip not being a throw, like you said it doesn't say anything about the tip being illegal, so therefore it must be legal
HunterPiazza 1 year ago
@frisbeedude99 But yes, Ultimate is indeed an amazing game and great to play.
HunterPiazza 1 year ago
seriously sick play man
WTFA54 2 years ago
Tips are only illegal if they are to yourself or if you threw the pass and no one else has touched it. Tips are essentially just really quick passes, and so they should only be considered illegal if it would have also been illegal for the player in question to catch it and then throw it again. This was a ridiculously impressive and very legal play. Great job!
swedenman93 2 years ago
No no no ... for once I wish you would all just actually read the rules before going in here to comment. Rule 18.2.6.6 states CLEARLY .. that you may not delay the disc to yourself ... there is no mention of doing this to a team mate. But I see the need to criticize what you can not do
jcruth28 2 years ago
no need to get nasty by claiming to know what i have, or have not done. As I said in my original post, I thought it was a very cool play (just not legal).
But again let me emphasize the beauty of Ultimate, if the players on the field all agree, then the play can stand. This is one of the reasons I plan on playing pick up Ultimate as long as my body will let me.
frisbeedude99 2 years ago
Was this in response to my comment? If so, it seems like we're in agreement.
swedenman93 2 years ago
Wow that was fucking sweet. I would be screaming my head off if I was on your sidelines.
merrett 2 years ago
Awesome!
SweetlyVicious 2 years ago
nice :)
SliferNorth 2 years ago
lol that was tototally legal... Its a semi "greatest"... why would they name a play that is illegal.
Majin35 2 years ago
It's not a travel for one very simple reason: His feet never touched the ground. It's the same principle as a greatest. Tips aren't illegal it's considered a continuation of play.
Read the book before you spout off bullshit. I hope you don't call that crap on the fields.
VerylGoodnight 2 years ago 34
Thank you .. it is nice to see that some people know the rules
kgblenin 2 years ago 30
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@kgblenin it's an illegal pass, the rule states that you cannot pass the disk to another player without having control of it. However, for example in a greatest the player catches the disk then throws it in the air. You however tipped this disk on without control of it which is illegal, it's not a travel just an illegal play.
tomhodgett123 1 year ago
Sorry to say that this play is illegal. For the "greatest" to be legal you have to actually stop rotation and throw the disc , not just flail at it.
However it still is a cool play, and the players on the field can make the call (one of the beauties of ultimate).
frisbeedude99 2 years ago
@VerylGoodnight dude. the sport isnt about arguing rules and calling people shit. for real its not nessisary. just call the play back if your not shure.
spirit of the game.
mrpaintballfan 1 year ago
I'm gonna have to agree with Grand Mo here. This is a completely legal play. Self tips are illegal in ultimate, but there is no rule against tips to a teammate. This is just a really sick play.
hoopshootr90 2 years ago
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too bad the tip was illegal just like what NK said. Cosidered traveling. I'd call it on ya
xtreme3903 2 years ago
Just for giggles .. explain why this would be a travel and a greatest is not. I mean an actual greatest is more likely to be a travel since there you at least have control over the disc. Read your rules again ...
kgblenin 2 years ago 4
Intentionally tipping the disc to advance it is illegal.
The greatest isn't a travel since you actually stop rotation and then throw it back into the field of play. Doing so from in bounds prior to making contact out of bounds.
It is the same reason why if you catch a disc while in the air and it is stripped (eventhough you haven't touched the ground) it is still a strip.
frisbeedude99 2 years ago
Just for giggles:
XVI
.... J
........1
c) Purposeful bobbling (including tipping, delaying, guiding, brushing, or the like) to oneself in order to
advance the disc in any direction from where it initially was contacted (XV.A).
This is in the 11th edition, but pretty sure it was in every version (at least since 9th edition)
frisbeedude99 2 years ago
@frisbeedude99 to oneself
Aznbesol 1 year ago
ULTIMATE FRISBEE IS FUCKING BETTER AND FUN THAN FOOTBALL. anyone agrees.
ravi930 2 years ago 6
Fuck yeah!
what i like to call "alternative sports" are better than most sports in general. disc golf, ultimate, hackeysack, speedball.... that's where it's at.
RedHotBeatle13 2 years ago
Hell yeah!!
casey963 2 years ago
hell yeah
stamfordsgio 2 years ago
awesome!
TheYear4444 2 years ago
illegal
nkissinger 2 years ago
very cool dude!
workaholic888 2 years ago
wicked
prasad604 2 years ago
Why is the video already among your favorites then??
kgblenin 2 years ago 36
@kgblenin oooohhh u got him bad! XD
i have a tournament 2 morrow tips?
TheBananaNetwork 1 year ago
@kgblenin hiyoo
Simontubby12 1 year ago
I don't see how this can be construed as me getting excited/angry about anything, I'm simply stating the rules for clarification, since some people misunderstood them.
Oh and FYI, I happen to be one of the better players on the youth ultimate scene, so yes people do care what I think.
GrandMoDMB 2 years ago
Awesome video! And completely legal as well! Can't say that I'm not a bit jealous :)
I was just wondering.. Did anyone make a call on the field? It seems like people have different opinions on this one.
Faslovespi 2 years ago
There was no call on the field .. everybody was fine with it.
kgblenin 2 years ago
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Very cool, very cool.
Djangolulu 2 years ago
This play is entirely legal. Read the rules thoroughly. You cannot advance the disc by purposely tapping it to yourself (thats a travel) but you are allowed to throw a disc while in the air if you have not set a pivot yet and before taking 3 steps (thats a typical greatest)
this is the same, but the deflector does not gain full possession of the disc, which doesn't matter.
GrandMoDMB 2 years ago
Thank you .. I have been trying to argue that point since posting the video ..
kgblenin 2 years ago
dude epic pass!
hopkidokid 2 years ago
sick man, you gotta teach me that!
AnitCsah 2 years ago
what you did is called a mack (or mac, i'm not sure of the spelling). its pretty much just a deflection or a bump to keep the disc up or to change its direction. a greatest would involve you actually catching and throwing the disc before you or the disc hit the ground. i'm not discrediting this amazing play, but i just thought i might be able to shed a little light on the situation.
zgibby123 2 years ago
So you call it a Mac (funny since that is my nickname) in the states .. over here in Europe we call it a brush
kgblenin 2 years ago
regardless of what its call, its still amazing!
zgibby123 2 years ago
in Canada we call it a toasted bagel with butter.
PanteraFudge 2 years ago
i thought..
13. Turnovers
13.1. A turnover transfers possession of the disc from one team to the other and occurs
when:
13.1.3. the thrower intentionally deflects a pass to themselves off another player (a
deflection);
forgive me if im wrong. but nice play anyway(:
czhaa3664933 2 years ago
I am not deflecting it off of another player to myself .. I am hitting the disc towards another team mate. So, I am not sure that I see the point you are trying to make .. and, something most people who think this was against the rules seem to forget, the opposing team saw nothing wrong with it.
kgblenin 2 years ago
no the problem is you macked it to another player. It was a dirty play, for sure, but still not legal necessarily. That rule isn't quite it, but there is a rule that you can't intentionally mack.
skakid320 2 years ago
Well the possession never changed during that play. Until the disc hits the ground or comes into the "possession" of an opposing player your team still has the disc. And the thrower isnt the person who deflected the disc. There are 3 total people that touched the disc. 1-The thrower (which threw near out of bounds) 2- A deflector (who simple tapped the disc with his finger tips to exchange the flight pattern) 3- And the receiver of he throw.
Dirtycornbread 2 years ago
Goodjob man!
TitaniumGame 2 years ago
That is a bump right there.
SwordSlayer551 2 years ago
sick
patrickdonz 2 years ago
good tip, better catch
fthTommy 2 years ago 3
AWESOME!
jamiethejoker26 2 years ago
that's long one
maankindj 2 years ago
Really nice one ;D
nbir1 2 years ago
u da man!
champski2711 2 years ago
im the 10,000th viewer
Jin1Eye 2 years ago
That calls for a celebration ... drink some alcohol and I'll do the same
kgblenin 2 years ago
None of the arguments over the legality of the brush pass should matter. The player who threw the backhand huck traveled while throwing. Watch his left foot.
unchuckable 2 years ago
i mean not really. if your going to be that picky then technically you could say his right foot was his pivot which didn't move after he stopped running.
backclan 2 years ago
nice tip!
ktloveland 2 years ago
Rad
eprang24 2 years ago
intentional mac
IoNBaLLeR225 2 years ago
You are my hero!
MatthewPe21 2 years ago
Nice man, HAHA xD
kuugnen 2 years ago
cool
mad30souldeep 2 years ago
that was a good pass
steph09sb 2 years ago
it was nice. very nice. congrats
dainknudson 2 years ago
that was a sick pass!
pregnantnproud 2 years ago
Brush pass is legal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mixxxajlo 2 years ago
Impressive, the force is strong with this one
Stangfan88 2 years ago 3
OK my friend who is so concerned with the rules .. to such a degree that you chose to omit a certain part of the rule in your comment ... Purposeful bobbling (including tipping, delaying, guiding, brushing, or the like) to oneself in order to advance the disc in any direction from where it initially was contacted (XV.A). .... Take note of the word "ONESELF". You are not allowed to purposefully brush to yourself. I had this argument 20 comments ago
kgblenin 2 years ago
wow you told him hahah nice play
yeayababy 2 years ago
Hm... I checked another website, and it appears that you are correct... I'm sorry for the prior indiscretion. Like I said before, hell of a play, and now I find it even more impressive. I can't wait to tell my local club about this! The possibillities are endless!
nehlybel 2 years ago
Then all is well again .. thanks
kgblenin 2 years ago
I'm not saying it wasn't a really tough play, nor that he didn't do something really spectacular there. However, I love ultimate, and I assume he does as well. In the spirit of the game, we should all want to play the game the way it is supposed to legally be played, instead of living in ignarance of a simple rule. He has my respect for the attempt, but he should also know that it wasn't legal.
nehlybel 2 years ago
UPA official rulebook version 11 ( the most current edition)
Section 16 (Violations and Fouls) Subsection J (traveling) Part 1 Rule c. : "c.Purposeful bobbling (including tipping, delaying, guiding, brushing, or the like) in order to advance the disc in any direction from where it initially was contacted"
Hence, no brushing allowed...
nehlybel 2 years ago
wow you told him
yeayababy 2 years ago
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not .. so I will assume that you are since that point of view benefits me
kgblenin 2 years ago
cmon dont be a bitch about it he had a really nice throw
thatsthewayiwanarock 2 years ago 2
finally somebody on youtube backs something up with facts thank you.
pizzamonkeydinosoup 2 years ago
A greatest is legal, but that's because it is defined as catching the disk then throwing it while still in the air. However, the problem with this play isn't in the location you brushed the disc, but instead with the legality of your catch. A catch is defined as posession of the disc when it is not moving or spinning... since you didn't preform a legal catch, then you performed and illegal tip pass. Completely unrelated to a greatest, and illegal.
nehlybel 2 years ago
Please show me the rule that says a brush pass is illegal
kgblenin 2 years ago
The only way this play would have been illegal is if you tipped it to yourself to gain yardage
cloudzbuster7 2 years ago 3
dude that was nice. Even though the actual greatest is different. A greatest is when you dive outta bounds, catch the disk is mid air. and throw it back out to your teammate. All without touching the ground.
sinbin2370 2 years ago
I know .. that is why I refer to it as a greatest brush. I make the brush after having left the ground and after hitting the disc I land a bit out of bounds. Not a purist version of the greatest .. but a reasonable version
kgblenin 2 years ago
According to the "awesome rule" you get the point.
Gosh, that was wicked!
R3d1st 2 years ago
That was exceptionally awesome! Seriously, that rocked!!!!
CarlylePower 2 years ago
Dude, that was fucking sweet!
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100rangekid 2 years ago
good job
flippzerripp 2 years ago
17. violations
17.2. travel violations
17.2.1. a travel violation occurs if:
17.2.1.5. a receiver purposefully bobbles, fumbles or delays the disc to themselves (yes, themselveS = plural) in order to move in any direction.
nice play, but it's a travel...
shikemahoodie 3 years ago
"To THEMSELVES" ... doesn't say anything about purposefully pushing it ahead to a teammate ...
kgblenin 3 years ago
yes, it does!
baang37 3 years ago
From the 11th edituion of the Rules :
c) Purposeful bobbling (including tipping, delaying, guiding, brushing, or the like) to oneself in order to
advance the disc in any direction from where it initially was contacted (XV.A).
Take note of the word, ONESELF.
kgblenin 3 years ago
and where is written, that a brush to e teammate is allowed?
c'mon... it isnt!
baang37 3 years ago
The rules only make brushing to ONESELF a violation. I choose to interpret that to mean that it is perfectly legal to brush to a team mate. An opinion I might add that is not only shared by me. No one in the game, on either team, argued the occurrence . Plus I have seen it done in other games, all without anyone claiming that it is a violation. So, unless this changes your mind ... we will have to agree to disagree.
kgblenin 3 years ago
How is this significantly different than a greatest, which is legal?
Nilhien 2 years ago
The discussion has been that since I only brushed the pass that is should be considered illegal. The greatest by definition, as I understand it, is catching a pass out of bounds and in the air and then throwing it before landing. It created a nice little discussion here. = D
kgblenin 2 years ago
Exactly, you just performed a greatest while the disc was in bounds. I don't believe there is any specific rule about the greatest that dictates that moving the disc, while you are in the air, must occur only when the disc is out of bounds. Therefore I say this is a totally legal play.