Wichita Police: Slaying at Abortion Doc's Church

[ShookOnesTO]

i love how one of the guys asks: "any idea of the shooters motive"? and he says "no we don't". ummm i'm not a detective but i'm pretty sure its because hes an abortion doctor.

[ShookOnesTO]

wow the world is fucked up. what is this the 19th century?

[kweer58]

While pondering this murderous crime, please remember also the other violence that goes on in the abortion clinic itself: The (often) pain-sensitive fetus is killed by abortion. Watch a sonogram of an actual abortion (They're rare to view. One, from the 1980s, is on YouTube: Silent Scream part 3.) You see the fetus respond to the touch of the abortionist who is killing her. How much pain did she feel while being aborted? Judge for yourself. You and I were not aborted, so we can't say exactly.

[perfectbark]

does Kansas have the death penalty? just wondering.

[notthelastword]

So glad he is dead and was killed

[notthelastword]

Soooooooooo satisfying that he was killled. Hope HIS kids get killed too. God Bless his killer, and society is forever indebted to you good and just man for your righteous slaughter of such an evil doer

[perfectbark]

"evil doer" ........ is that you George? W is probably rejoicing in the death of Dr Tiller too. I suppose that in your world it's acceptable to force a 9 year old child who was raped by a family member to carry that pregnancy to full term??

That's quite a religion you have there wacko.

[Beskargam]

What's it like to support an ideology that had its moment in the sun and was then put down like the beast that it was?

[Velayasha]

POPEF If n----rs should be shot and hung, perhaps we should start with YOU!

[KingNikan13]

Your name should be NewChristianAsshole burn in hell

[perfectbark]

Has the Secret Service knocked on your door yet wacko?? just wondering.

[JohananRaatz]

Chill out dude. In a civil society people don't kill each other, but frankly I found this whole incident kind of funny. The abortionist got "aborted." I wouldn't get all bent out of shape about it though. Societies scum kill each other all the time, so I don't see any reason to cry a river over this anymore than I would when a drug dealer gets shot by a mobster.

[perfectbark]

Were the 4 police officers murdered in Pittsburgh last year "scum?" Did they not have families and people who loved them? How about the students and faculty at VT? were they "scum" in your eyes?

There have been over 79 million spontaneous or "god" abortions over the last decade alone so "god," what ever the f*ck that is, ..... is an "abortionist" in the vernacular of the religious right.

Americans ..... feckless, fickle and dumb

[JohananRaatz]

Whatever the hell are you talking about? Police officers =/= abortionists.

Question, why do you assume I base my views on abortion on religion? Where did I mention God here? I didn't. As a matter of fact my views on abortion are based on fetal rights and not religion.

[perfectbark]

OK ..... at what point during embryogenesis is the conceptus viable?

[JohananRaatz]

What does viability have to do with personhood? That's a complete non sequiter.

[perfectbark]

@JohananRaatz

seriously, if you can't answer that question, basic reproductive biology you could never be able to successfully debate the abortion issue and expect to prevail. non sequitur my ass. the personhood diversion is the non-sequitur

[JohananRaatz]

Ok the answer is the "conceptus" is not viable during embryogenesis. But abortions are not performed on women during the embryonic stage.

Secondly and more importantly this viability or lack thereof has nothing to do with the personhood of the fetal child or her fetal rights.

This is like saying that X is not a policeman because X does not have green hair. That is a silly statement and I don't see how anyone with half a brain could find something like that relevant to the issue at hand.

[JohananRaatz]

"the personhood diversion is the non-sequitur"

Are you stupid? The personhood issue IS the issue. If the fetal child is a person she has fetal rights and the abortive parent can shove it, end of story! Thus your whole case hinges on whether or not she is a person. Get it?

[perfectbark]

the personhood legal argument is a loser. The mother is the host and determines the fate of the conceptus, always has, always will.

You could imagine how many of religious zealots like Scott Roeder would be bringing legal actions and false accusations in cases of spontaneous abortion where there has been over 79 million of them in the last decade alone.

[JohananRaatz]

So? Just because they do doesn't mean they should. I don't really care if they can or if they are a host so I don't see why I should worry about that.

Besides I think with modern technology we could set up a sufficient surveillance apparatus to be able to enforce anti-abortion laws in a practical manner. They already use chemical detectors in the sewers to find which houses drugs are coming from. They could use the same technology to find if someone had an abortion or simply had a miscarriage.

[perfectbark]

utterly idiotic. you never heard of HIPAA? These are constitutionally protected privacy laws. So what happens to the mother who already has children at home? Prison?

Too bad about your Roeder ...... maybe you should bake him a birthday cake

[bigballerdave]

george tille ris a terrible person BURN IN HELL

[bushnest]

The blood of Tiller the Baby Killer got spilled! Hooray! Have burning in Hell, you piece of shit! God hates you! God sent the killer! This is even funnier than that Mary-worshiping pedophile Catholic priest, Father John Geoghan, getting killed in prison! ♰

[kirstiedale3]

At least 60,0000 babies

[ilililhy]

the guy also killed some of his patients in the process .the big question for Dr Tiller .DR ,is it fair to say we reap what we sow? Dr Tiller? o well i guess the doctor checked out for eternity. NEXT

[chick5581]

Damnnn that's cool. haha Very cool video. You should most definitely make more in the future. haha This is too interesting!

[FamilyTracingVideos]

The Dr. believed in late term abortions which is very wrong. They throw the babies in the trash like use paper napkins. But at the same time people need to worship God not religion. They should had just left him to God. Because in time God would had delt with him.

[Kefka2010]

Christians are some sick fucks. It's too bad we don't have a world without religion, life would be so much more peaceful.

[JohananRaatz]

Just dump all of the abortionists in Guantanamo Bay where they belong, and we will have plenty of peace. ROFL! :D

[B1GORILLASS]

lol, i have over 24,089 channel views and dont have a single video! It is pretty funny." or try " I will sub 4 suib and/or friend anyone so come down to my channel and say you subbed or friended and i will do the same."

[NewChristianSoldiers]

How ironic this so called doctor murdered over 60,000 babies performing abortion which his church is against so he himself gets murdered in church! LMFAO!

Karma is a bitch doc! and I forsee MORE of these murderous "doctors" getting murdered themselves soon and they will deserve it too!

The guy who murdered this genocidal doctor is a HERO!

Vigilante justice is needed when the law allows genocide!

[yabruf]

Vigilante justice will occur more often in this backwards country of ours. Our court system is such a joke that our society will continue to suffer from judges that rule using there own agengds and not based on justice.

[DAILEYericCaryUSA]

WWJD

[sabboth42]

And religious fundamentalism supporting killing and murder has a name, we have come to know it as jihad/terrorism/right wing domestic terrorism.

May whatever god there is have mercy on your soul.

[moonglow38]

And you call yourself a Christian? You need to re-read Jesus' teachings..we are to love our enemies not kill them..and we aren't to use foul language either. If God really wanted Tiller dead I am sure He could do it with no help at all..

[notthelastword]

You know you are wrong. You are so transparent. You would piss and tremble if someone threatened to kill you

[sos1001001]

The death of Dr. Tiller is nothing more than a Late-Term Abortion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[forgetmepls]

That is a good one....Dr Tiller is a late-Term Abortion...haha

[BriantheCarson]

my friends sister had an abortion there, she was 27 weeks pregnant and both her and the baby were healthy, but she was angry because her relationship had ended, she is still upset and regrets what happened, another woman there was 31 weeks pregnant and having an abortion because of a money dispute with the family

[Nubiah9]

Sad & Sick---I Guess U Rep What You Sow.... :(

[CAMARA99]

This is crazy, I live here, you wouldn't believe the number of Bush/Cheney, evangelical, hard noses here. It is really getting out of hand.

[PopeyeCove]

The issue of abortion is a tough one. I personally find it very disturbing. If I were faced with an unwanted pregnancy, then my choice would be to have the baby and go the adoption route. If someone else decides they want an abortion, it's their choice, whether I agree or not. Sad that the Dr. was killed.

[bebopbopbebop]

only a person who believes in god can murder another who doesn't believe what he/she believes. religious bigotry should not be tolerated in any society in the world. why? because it kills people for stupid religious reasons.

[biggpoppalarge]

that is so sad i will pray for his family

[humaner]

Wow and why is that Religious people never protest or act out against the war in Iraq or the fact that their leader tortured human beings.Guess its just selective religiosity?Strange cult those Christians seems they need a dose of compassion.

[computerpurple]

Murder is always WRONG. Can't say i'll miss him.

[xxjdmintegrarxx]

Now with this I want to add something. I may not be right please help me understand not yell at me on youtube. lol. BUT a man does his job and in this case it is giving abortions. Yes your killing a live fetus sure but that fetus has no LIFE in them so what is the HUGE deal? Its the same as killing whales or deer or rabits. A baby fetus has no life in it which when giving an abortion its not what people like to make it out to be. HE received his doctorate he is not a fetus. Look at the whole

[computerpurple]

Hello xxjdmintegrarxx. You claim the unborn has NO LIFE. GOD say this is not true. If you dissagree well then your problem is with GOD.

[hurchel]

life begins at conception, quit killing anything.

[christmas254]

we know it is to make a great race. no kids that are not perfect is the whole reason for abortion just look at the people that are pushing it. Read what they have said in the past LOOK at who is having the most Abortion

[rushnut1958]

One of the shooter neighbors says the guy is a hardcore Republican. Why am I not in a state of shock?

[ttoale]

If people would just mind their own damn business and worry about themselves instead of trying to force people to believe what they believe then this never would have happened. If you don't believe in abortion, good for you, congratulations, don't get one. But I don't understand why you care so much about what other people do with their own lives. Mind your own fucking business people.

[JohananRaatz]

"If you don't believe in abortion, good for you, congratulations, don't get one."

Against slavery? Don't buy one! :D

[perfectbark]

non sequitur moron

[JohananRaatz]

Ok yes thanks for pointing out the typo, smartass. But you understand my point right?

[KnightOwl2006]

@ttoale Murder is everybody's business.

[upabittoolate]

late term abortion is murder but murdering the doctor isn't helping the situation

[MrGr3m]

Good riddance! He's in a worse place now. After all those years of killing babies he got his just desserts. And to all you slutty women out there who abort " Fuck you".

[SkyDaddy7]

You are a Bronze Age delusional pig!!!

BTW-There is no "worse place" Grow up!

[ilovesatan66]

There should be a law that makes it mandatory for people to get sterilized if they get an abortion. Can you imagine one of these monsters being allowed to parent? Insane!

[clearwater04]

am i the only one who hears a phone ringing in the background

[BinkieMcFartnuggets]

Sounded like Alexander Graham Bell was paging someone from beyond.

[696styx]

Check that one off the list

Baby killer

The "suspect" is a hero

Abortion causes breast cancer

Good

You freak murderers of innocent lives don't need breasts anyway

Dead babies don't need to nurse

[signorelli21]

the Irony here is that its unacceptable to kill the unborn, thats murder, but after they are born if they grow up to become an abortionist, terrorist, wrong religion, etc. then its ok to kill them, religious people have strange priorities.

[igystrvigy]

Don't lump all religious people together. Or are you really a bigot?

Christianity does not advocate any such action. Such justice is ultimately God's business and His alone. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar.

[SkyDaddy7]

When people try to live by Bronze Age ideas in a modern secular world the result is STRANGE!

With the GOP being as radical as it is and all the hate coming from Conservative Values this will not be the last of these horrible actions we see.

It will be like the 90's when Clinton was President and the Christians were shooting abortion doctors and bombing clinics.I would not be surprise to see some major domestic terrorist attacks considering the hate these people have for our secular nation.

[ilovesatan66]

Progress happens as a result of hard working honest people within industry, not morons like you that sit around and talk about murdering children

[SkyDaddy7]

BTW- Nice screen name or channel name!

[ImTheRiffRaff]

Christians keep digging their own grave.

[walterfireson]

these incidents could probably be easily solved if males were allowed to have a say in the destruction of his own seed.

[Skurgefaust]

Answer the goddam phone

[xavierartorivs]

Motive? religious nut job who was indoctrinated by the church who clearly says it is acceptable to do this act. For video proof of this as stated by a priest, do watch Dawkins' "The Root of All Evil" where a priest in Colorado Springs states that it is not a crime to bomb such doctors. As for my opinion of abortion, if it means one less Michael Moore or Palin, I'm all for it.

[ilovesatan66]

Ya the person who killed a person who kills babies for a living is a 'religious nut job' and the person who makes a living slaughtering babies is a poor 'victim'

[xavierartorivs]

Let me guess, no one in the church saw a thing.

[igystrvigy]

Wow, I'll never endorse such vigilante violence, even against people who make a living at the destruction of human life, but I have to agree with satan66!

If there is no God then the murderer is just performing a socially disadvantageous action and the only concern is whether or not he is caught and prevented to do his thing in this brief life. Nothing morally wrong, and actually it's genetically advantageous. Now there is one less doctor who is destroying the gene pool.

[ilovesatan66]

I don't endorse vigilanteism either

[billyysands]

obama administration is and should use this as an excuse to go after extremists

who own guns

[Docthewrench]

you mean ME cool i am ready and waiting for the NAZIs

[billyysands]

no you are the nazi

they are the bolsheviks

if i have to take sides i'll go with the commies

[igystrvigy]

Good deal. In this case, even the new agers who believe in Karma just gotta give a Jim-from-The-Office shrug and smirk!

[SkyDaddy7]

You are sick pig!

[igystrvigy]

On what basis can you make such moral judgments? I don't subscribe to that viewpoint but that's all an honest atheist can say. Are you honest?

[walterfireson]

which church says to kill others?

[xavierartorivs]

Once again, watch Dawkins' video. A church in Colorado Springs. A priest specifically states this. Dawkins has this on video. Colorado Springs is also home to Focus on The Family (religious 'tards) and Ted Haggard poster child for evangelicals.

[walterfireson]

that way might be spoken in a secluded place, and i am sure it did not go unnoticed when it was spoken, but i still don't see churches everywhere teaching their people to go kill other people, but this is good news for stirring up the religion haters.

we see how these journalists kept angling to catch that fish.

[xavierartorivs]

As for myself, I try to ignore religion as it serves me no purpose. I do donate to a nearby church...tangible goods to be donated to those in need as I have no time to run a charity. I only donate to that particular church as they do not require mandatory attendance for those who accept help.

I really do try to ignore religion; however, mormons, jehovas witnesses, and other delusional 'tards keep knocking on my door. I tell them I'm educated and working on my masters and they go away.

[walterfireson]

i don't even answer the door lol

[xavierartorivs]

I might get a Pastafarian symbol and put it on the door.  As for the mormons, I am rather curious as to why the girls never go door to door; it's always the guys dressed in black and white, bikes, LDS literature. I did tell them I found the LDS indoctrination cartoons on youtube and they display a deer in the headlights look.

As for the assailant, he needs a mental eval and someone specializing in religious fanatacism.

[xavierartorivs]

...to do the case study.

[abarzilai664]

I almost forgot, rape and lastly potential abuse to the child.

[wiresinlove]

this guy answers too many questions...

[abarzilai664]

There's gonna be one helleva troll fight here between the religious and the non-religious. If you want to know about my view on abortion, like any other Rightie I'm against it unless in exterme cases like a threat to the health of the mother, or incest.

[SkyDaddy7]

Conservative Values?

This is just the beginning...The fringe Christian Right will continue to bring the Bronze Age Fury until they control what women can and cannot do with their own bodies!

They will be fighting a losing battle.

[DDuncanLima]

Nice comment!

[ilovesatan66]

when you get pregnant, it's no more an issue of simply a 'woman's body'

[SkyDaddy7]

Not according to US Law!

[ilovesatan66]

What's more important than legality is the question of justice.

[SkyDaddy7]

The abortion issue is best left to a woman and her doctor.

[igystrvigy]

Nice dodge, SkyDaddy7.

[ilovesatan66]

Wrong. What's referred to as "abortion" is the taking of the life of a child. It's not simply a medical procedure. You murderous pigs like to cloud the reality of the fact that the life of a child is being taken.

[SkyDaddy7]

Call it what you want the decision should be and is up to a woman and her doctor, PERIOD!

I understand this is not an easy subject and I can see both sides...The attention should be focused on prevention and birth control...However, the anti-choice people refuse this as well.

Not only that but the Christian Right are the first to scream when it comes to taking care of children who do not have homes, healthcare and other needs of LIFE!

HYPOCRISY!!

[escape889]

i agree its there descision

[696styx]

Why is it they never ask the baby what it wants?

You should be forced to take the shattered dead babies parts home in a jar and put it on your nightstand.

This F'ed up world is haunted by the souls of the unborn dead

[SkyDaddy7]

If you feel so strongly then see to it you do not get an abortion or if you are male see to it you do not put a woman in that position...Leave others to make their own moral decision as it is not yours or the Gov. business to do so.

Try working for children who were not aborted yet are forced to live in poverty and no one to love them.

To the anti-choice people life starts at conception and ends at birth!!!

[696styx]

It's not morality.

It's murder Einstein

[SkyDaddy7]

If that is what you think then do not do it!

Leave others to make that decision when they have to...Try defending life regardless of what the situation is and maybe people will begin to respect the anti-choice people. Just a thought?

[696styx]

NO!

I will not leave others to make that "choice" (gag).

This Hero in Witchita feels the same way. A defender of innocent helpless lives

You want "choice"? Go to the supermarket

[SkyDaddy7]

So...Are you going to be the next so-called "pro-lifer" to kill someone?

The Law says you will stay out of women's lives and you will obey this secular law or pay the consequences...Talk all you want but reality is what it is!

[696styx]

Only my hairdresser knows for sure

[696styx]

PS

I don't believe in killing and am anti death penalty.

Life without parole is a death sentence and cheaper to house the scumbag.

Life without for all involved in baby murder if I was in charge

[ilovesatan66]

Up to a woman and a doctor to choose whether or not the child lives? No, I have a better idea. We should elect sane people within society to choose whether or not morons like you get to stay alive. That's a more sensible, justifiable thing than taking the life of a child! Fuck you!

[SkyDaddy7]

Grow up!

Worry about what you do as your demi-god has taught you...If you really believe in your religion then all will be dealt with. And those children are in heaven, correct? Oh wait! They never excepted your demi-god as their lord and master...Do they go to heaven or hell?

[ilovesatan66]

next time someone breaks into your home or hacks you or your loved one into pieces...please don't complain, as acording to your "great" brain, the only thing that is important is what one does, not what others do.

[SkyDaddy7]

That made so much sense!

[ilovesatan66]

How would an atheistic moron like yourself no about 'what makes sense'? An atheist will never be taken seriously in society and as you have shown by your advocacy of murder of children- for good reason, ..but keep trying.

[SkyDaddy7]

Now you are showing your delusion...Non Believers are the fastest growing group in the USA. Exactly because people are getting tired of bronze Age thinkers like yourself killing people and trying to control others lives...It is time you face this reality.

[DarthSchwartz]

So true.

[DigiTan000]

Ah SkyDaddy7... I see you've mastered the Spotlight Fallacy. :)

No rational person can use the isolated behavior of a few fringe extremists to stereotype to entire culture. Believe me, it's been tried. That line of reasoning only encourages cycles of hate.

[upabittoolate]

no mate, it IS up to a woman & her doctor

[ilovesatan66]

no shit? we're talking about whether or not abortion is just, not whether or not it happens. Another youtube genius!

[upabittoolate]

you couldn't generate enough intellectual wattage to melt a fucking marshmallow; let alone spar with me. take it elsewhere. imbecile

[ilovesatan66]

you have intellectual wattage? who told you that?

[JKB76]

Great comment and very true.

[abarzilai664]

So in your view there is no middle ground on the issue of abortion like you found a middle ground in terms of empire and neo-liberalism.

[SkyDaddy7]

Not true! There is plenty of middle ground! Start by having pro-life people support Gov. programs that are geared to help those mothers who decide to keep their child instead of screaming Socialism. Stop trying to block sexual education especially birth control.

There is huge areas of middle ground when it comes to preventing abortions in the first place...Simply telling kids not to have sex does not work!

No one likes this issue it is a very hard issue to deal with.

[jx14aby]

Wise words skydaddy.

[SkyDaddy7]

Than-you...The pro-life people are losing respect and their numbers have been dropping over the years because of things like this. And their refusal to put as much effort into helping those mothers that decide to have their child as they do trying to overturn RoevWade. These PL people are the same people who advocate torture, war b4 diplomacy, and the first to scream Socialism when the Gov. tries to help these poor children who have no help and in many cases no one to love them.

[moonglow38]

None of that is true...check your facts..

[SkyDaddy7]

I already did...I challenge you to show what I said is not true.

Only 22% of Americans think Abortion should be illegal.

[moonglow38]

how did you prove it? You provided no facts at all..anyone can say anything on this comment boxes doesn't mean its true.

[SkyDaddy7]

I will help you...Google "Gallop Poll on Abortion"

...Only look at these polls if you want the truth. If not, then the numbers will only hurt your feelings.

I warned you!

[moonglow38]

A new Gallup Poll, conducted May 7-10, finds 51% of Americans calling themselves "pro-life" on the issue of abortion and 42% "pro-choice." This is the first time a majority of U.S. adults have identified themselves as pro-life since Gallup began asking this question in 1995.

[SkyDaddy7]

What you are avoiding is some consider themselves Pro-Life yet think abortion should be legal...So this poll does not tell the entire story.

Those who favor legal abortions are still the majority.

[moonglow38]

er..how can I avoid something I am not aware of? Where are you getting your information from? I realize there are people that believe some abortions are of course truly needed where the mother's life really is in danger or the baby is so deformed he or she cannot live..and in cases of rape or incest..but those are very, very few. Most abortions are done on healthy women not in any danger and a healthy baby. That is the concern and always has been. that its being used as a forum of birth control

[moonglow38]

The poll doesn't say that though...so all you are doing is guessing. For all we know those voting pro-life mean pro-life no exceptions. The is the problem with trying to go by these kind of polls..they don't cover those that have the exception idea...

First you want to use the poll to say most are pro-choice, then when it doesn't actually show that you want to add things to it that it doesn't even show. You need to find a better argument..

[SkyDaddy7]

GROW UP!!

Its the same damn poll you quoted from!

Scroll down the same Gallop Poll page!

Guessing??? LOL!

[moonglow38]

Er...so if I 'grow up' that will help read better? Why don't you find it and copy and paste what you are talking about so I can see for myself..there was nothing in what I copied and pasted on here that says 'some' pro-lifers allows for exceptions in case the mother's life really is in dangers, or in cases of rape, incest,..maybe its covered on the one you are looking at but its not on the one I am which was done May 15, 2009...

[pantherprowl22]

Actually --- a whopping 70% of Americans are vehemently opposed to Partial Birth Abortions

Every credible doctor on the planet knows this procedure is NEVER medically necessary. That's why you found only 3 doctors in the entire country who would perform such a barbaric act

The mother is birthing the child through her vagina REGARDLESS. Stabbing the baby in the head changes none of that!

[moonglow38]

Oh yea I bet..partial birth is just gruesome..if the mother is able to give birth..which she still is as you pointed out..then her life is not in danger and it makes no difference to let the baby live...if she really doesn't want it, there are loving couples that would. It does nothing to help the mother's health, to kill the baby as its being born. The whole thing is just insane and brutal.

[3star2nr]

Fucking Wingnuts