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[360Skelly]

thumbs if you watched the video again just to listen to baber without an accent

[Presca1]

Ahhh...I wish the cast of the show would come back to my backyard, never got to meet them, but I hope to next time.

[OddmentTweak]

Baber!!! Hahaha...his accent is sooo different! OMG, that's CRAAAZY!!!

[alwayzstr8clownin]

omgg babur's accent!

[infidel2008]

worst fucking show in the history of tv...

[liberalsistah]

Peters, shut up! Yr no better than a fat bellied cleric who goes on and on! Just.Shut.Up. So you found religion, big deal, we all have. In the meantime, I'm digging Babar's real accent-so homely!

[hibs0102]

wooh was that babar beside zaib??

his accent is so different! :)

[ArfPaws]

I'm still amazed in 2008 there are people like

petersibrahim who will blindly believe in an obviously flawed and wrong fairy tale book. Rhetorics will never get you anywhere and history will prove the fanatics wrong anyway. You can hope not to see hell, I know time will prove me right.

[petersibrahim]

The Father, Son is not simply analogy. It is the Eternal Godhead, the Community that makes God. It is Diversity in Unity. I ask you, how can You Believe in a God Who asks of us to do anything? How can He ask of us to obedient unless there is a Trinity? How can He be a Loving-God?

[petersibrahim]

On the third day He rose from the dead according to the scriptures, and sat at the right hand of His Father. He is coming in His glory, to judge the living and the dead, of Whose Kingdom shall have no end."

[petersibrahim]

That the Only-Begotten (Monogenis) Son of God was "Begotten of the Father before all ages, Light out of Light, True God out of True God, begotten not created, of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made, Who for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and of the Virgin Mary He became Man. He was Crucified under Pontius Pilate: suffered and was buried.

[petersibrahim]

One is called the Son, because He is a separate Being from the Father. Indeed, this is what Christianity was founded on.

[stgianna]

It is a mystery, which means while we can know some information about it we will never be able to know everything about it becasue God is infinite and we are finite.

[stgianna]

The Father/Son relationship is an anology so we can understand it. Jesus and the Father share the same nature (same capabilities) which is not true with humans. The bible calls Jesus the Word (note capitalization) of God. That is another analogy. The 3 persons (with the same nature) of the Tri-unity are different manifestations of God that have been revealed to us. If you want an exact explanation of the Nature of God you will probably have to wait until you see him.

[stgianna]

Us humans exist in 4 dimensions (3 space and 1 time) and God exists outside of all of these. He can interact in enter our dimensions (this is what Christ is) but he also exists outside of them. We do not know the full nature of God becasue we are limited. We do know what has been revealed to us in the natural law and what the prophets and Christ revealed. We should have faith that this is all we need to know to do our jobs while we are in this world.

[stgianna]

"but God can just forgive them" Yes he can but would that keep us from sinning? Say you have a son who keeps geting arrested. Should you just bail him out of jail and pay his fines? No becasue he would never learn to be better. God could forgive our sins but that would not change our nature. He want's us to learn about sacrafice and love from Christ's example. He wants US to change on our own. That is the only way we will truely repent.

[Quiscalus777]

God only forgives those who are truly sorry and see the error of their ways; God knows what's in people's hearts. We're human, and we make many mistakes and God knows this because He created us. A child who keeps getting into jail obviously doesn't regret whatever it is they did and hasn't seen the error of their ways.

What kind of 'love and sacrifice' is going on on the human side of all of this?

[stgianna]

Each person (each person has the same nature) of the Tri-unity also plays a particular role. Christ is God that came to earth to die for our sins and win us salvation. The Holy Spirit is what guides us and the Church.

You can think of the Tri-unity also like water. It can have the form of liquid, solid or gas but all these forms are still water.

[camynnej]

Thanks for doing the recording!!!

[bashirkareem]

I absolutely LOVE this show! :-)

[stgianna]

I pray that Muslims will have a full revelation of the true God and His loving character.I pray against the fear that influences many Muslims and that Muslims will also understand that God desires for everyone to know Him as children and not as slaves. I pray for Muslim's to get saved.I also pray that they will experience God's total forgiveness and thus be able to forgive others. Finally I pray that they would know the assurance of salvation through Jesus, something Islam can never offer them.

[Quiscalus777]

No, we find salvation through our own actions and not somebody else's.

[stgianna]

Only God can grant you salvation. Salvation is something we are not deserving of and cannot attain but with God's help and grace.

[Quiscalus777]

Yes, God grants salvation to those who believe in Him and commit acts of good. What I meant when I said we find salvation through our own actions, I meant that we have to work to attain that salvation, and cannot just say "I believe in Jesus as my saviour," and be saved.

[stgianna]

You are correct. It takes faith in Jesus Christ (God) and an acting out of that faith by doing acts of love/charity.

God bless.

[Quiscalus777]

I guess this is where our beliefs diverge: Is Jesus God, or is he the son of God? Or God on earth? Because I've heard all three said. If you can explain Trinity to me, I would be much obliged; not a single person has been able to explain it to me so far.

[stgianna]

"Is Jesus God, or is he the son of God? Or God on earth?"

Yes.

You can think of the trinity as three manifestations of God. They have always been in existance but were revealed to us humans at separate times. The Father is what guided the Prophets in the Old testament, the Son is Jesus, and the Holy Spirit was revealed at the end of Christ's time on earth.

[Quiscalus777]

I thought God was one? One can't equal three; that's impossible.

[mmerzaban]

Look, you are construing everything wrong because of your perspective, so i am not going to waste my time and breath on your conservatism. so please take your opinions elsewhere, I believe in the significance of this show, and if you don't go join a group that doesn't. You have every right to have your beliefs, because I think everyone is entitled to think what they want, but it is when you impose it on others that causes problems. Peace.

[Quiscalus777]

Are you talking to me? Because if you are, I'm sorry. :(

[mmerzaban]

no, sorry it was directed to stgianna... I just wanted to point out that it is problematic to make "assumptions" and "conclusions" when everything in this world is not that CUT and DRY! things are NOT that simple, thinking they are is conservative, and causes conflict, and extremism. so if you have this is the view, please do not post it here.

[stgianna]

Suppose you are a husband, brother and son of your wife, sister and parents respectively. You are one entity with one nature but you play the role of three different persons. Each of these roles are distict and have their own purpose and characteristics. For example you would not make love to your sister, that is what you do with your wife. So a man being a husband, brother and son is analogous of God manifesting himself (3 persons with 1 nature) in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

[Quiscalus777]

The son of whom? Himself? And humans shouldn't be compared to God, for God is so much greater than we are, and so much different.

Also, why would God need to sacrifice His son/his human form if He is all powerful?

[stgianna]

That is why this is an analogy. God does not need to do anything. God did not need to offer himself up on the cross. He did it because WE needed it. That is what love is: Doing something because someone else needs it not because it benefits us.

[Quiscalus777]

That still doesn't make sense; if God's all powerful, he wouldn't *need* to offer Himself: He could just forgive our sins. And you still didn't answer my question about whether God is his own son...

[stgianna]

I will re type what I wrote below. meditate on it an see if it comes to you:

"God did not need to offer himself up on the cross. He did it because WE needed it."

[Quiscalus777]

Yes, I read it the first time. I understand that we need our sins fogiven, but God can just forgive them. And yet again, you still didn't answer my question about God being his own son...

[stgianna]

If you are a Father (to your children) and a son (to your parents) are you your own Son? There is no temporal aspect to the Trinity. They have always existed because God has always existed. For us humans A father comes before the Son. Not so with God. That is why this is an analogy. We will never to fully describe God becasue we are human and limited, but we can describe him enough for our understanding. We as humans will always fall short from God's Glory.

[Quiscalus777]

How could there have always been a father and a son? I understand that humans are quite limited, but that's completely illogical. There are some things that we can't completely comprehend (like an eternity; I've never been able to fully swallow the concept), but there are some things that don't make any sense whatsoever. Fact: one equals one, not three.

[stgianna]

Time is another dimesion just like the 3 space ones. God lives out side of time. Imagine a creature that was 2 dimentional and lived on a piece of paper (2-d surface). Those creatures would not be able to relate to us (3-d cretures) because while we exist in their 2-dimensions (2 dimentions of space) we also exist outside of thier 2 dimensions in the 3rd dimentions of space.

[Quiscalus777]

If they were always there, then why would it be considered 'father and son'? If one wasn't there before the other, which is considered 'the father' and which is considered 'the son'? And where does 'the holy spirit' come in?

That still doesn't make one equal three...

[stgianna]

"The Father/Son relationship is an anology so we can understand it."

"There is no temporal aspect to the Trinity. They have always existed because God has always existed. For us humans A father comes before the Son. Not so with God. That is why this is an analogy. "

[stgianna]

"That still doesn't make one equal three..."

If you are a father to your children and a son to your parents does that make you 2 separate people? No. You are the same person playing 2 different roles.

[Quiscalus777]

Yeah, but son to whom? And father to whom? Himself? Why is one called the 'father' and one called 'the son' if they both always existed? And where does the Holy Spirit come in all of this?

[mmerzaban]

I do not agree with your assumptions that people have to a certain religion in order to be acceptable human beings. Not everyone is the "same" and not everyone has the same experiences, and thus not everyone has to form fit your cookie cutter idea of what is legitmately good. because what is good, and worthy of good things is not up to you. So don't go saying that Islam can't offer people salvation when you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

[mmerzaban]

This conservative/narrow outlook is what begins wars in the first place, and i for one do not think wars are in any way moral, and are the largest display of human injustice and disgust that can be done.

so maybe you should broaden your horizons toward more open minded outlooks that takes into account the multifacetness of world cultures and religions.

[stgianna]

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."

[mmerzaban]

did you copy paste that from google? or did you watch that on a CNN or Fox exclusive on "Islam"? you are obviously coming at this from a biassed perspective.you already have your own "assumptions" on what you think is "right" and you are imposing it on other dogmas that are unfamiliar, and therefore "evil" to you. That is a very colonialist intention; the source of all misinformation, and ignorance.

[stgianna]

Strange, you wrote a lot of words but you did not address the texts from the "noble" quran that I pasted. Hmmm wonder why...

BTW, I can recognize evil, oppression of others and violent supremacy. Those are the things represented in the quran verses and orthodox islam.

[mmerzaban]

The words i write are not just "a lot of words" I am obviously coming from an informed scholarly perspective, and this is not only about Islam, but goes for every oppressed cultural/religious body accross the globe.if you take any text out of context you are bound to find something to manipulate into your argument which is sleasy and illegitimate.

[stgianna]

Please do explain the context of these verses. Islamic scholars would explain there are two houses in the world: the house of submission (islam) and the house of war. It is the duty of dar al islam to fight the house of war (non-believers) until there is only islam (supremacy). Islamic scholars would also say that this fighting is not primarily a spritual fight but warfare. God bless.

[mmerzaban]

so i am not going to dignify you with an answer because, attached to your weak argument, you have no legitimate claim that would hold in any university, or scholarly writing. you should inform yourself before you make allegations.

[stgianna]

I don't recall making an argument. I just quoted the quran. See how the quran brings out conflict. That is the history of islam.

[mmerzaban]

but to answer your "oppression of others" comment, i am not sure if you realize or have historical recollection of "colonialism" and "conquest" which saw the destruction of many people because they did not "fit" into a narrow mind set. It was the single most destructive, and the source of all contemporary problems.

[mmerzaban]

"the greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

what is being imposed here is the "illusion of knowledge"until you can see and empathize with every angle possible no matter how much you do not understand it (or even agree with it) you cannot call yourself credible.

[LaughingPopcorn]

loving both amaar & babr ( :

[Friendsshare]

I felt that the women recording would faint on the spot because she was shocked when she heard beber's voice. LOL, I'm joking.

[mmerzaban]

hahah:) as a matter of fact i did .. ("that was a joke, Muslims around the world are known for their sense of humour" ;)

[Soccer7SG]

He speaks English with absolutely no accent! lol. He's good with the accent though.

[lilscorpio02]

o wow! that was so cool. omg...it's so weird hearing baber speak without the accent. lol