How to Snipe in TF2 -- Don't Aim at People

[EpIcFaCe99100]

you body shot

[DoctorKobold]

So..What's the name of the song, pray tell?

[rtouty22]

wasnt even that good

[sapphire475gs]

Thank you for the cool song!

[quinnweller]

hello my name tordana what is lag

[Baconkiddo]

How to snipe in TF2 -- Don't get headshots.

[foreverltu]

So yeah...

How to eat in RL -- Don't eat food, eat table

Seriously dude, the only thing why you killed him was because YOU WERE IN THE AIR (While you're in the air, you won't shoot STRAIGHT), or it's because of LAG

[usbfridge]

@foreverltu Uh... the tf2 characters have humungous hit boxes and the hitboxes bounce around and do not animate with the taunts... and lag would make the hitboxes more accurate, since the server is going off what the player says, not the other way around.

[foreverltu]

@usbfridge No shit sherlock

[schizoph666]

dont download porn while gaming.

[2sebastm]

So which pixel is the lagspike that was the only reason you got that kill?

[AyamiWired2]

It is called lag compensation, get over it.

[izacstudley]

Son I am disappoint...Dont ever make a gameplay video again.....

[Reaper46234]

... I think that the demoman just so happened to be in the bullets random "blind-fire" path

[GrtrThnClnD]

@Reaper46234 Are you saying that the sniper rifle isn't 100% accurate and/or has recoil?

Nope, the sniper rifle goes exactly where crosshair is. I'm having trouble understanding what you said. @_@

[Reaper46234]

@GrtrThnClnD I thought that while you were zoomed out the bullet deviated from the position of the crosshair

[KoopaIII]

I can almost SEE the hitboxes themselves moving along that Demo's path like glaciers.

Oh Source you silly wabbits, high-school engine programming is for kids.

[g1lmour]

interp

[BigNinjaMan2]

this is why you dont use the machina

[BIFFYofCLYRO]

@BigNinjaMan2 im awesome with the machina i can usually zoom in and then headshot a running target if i move fast enough

[TheDarksideKing]

ping



[tordana]

Why does this have 100k views?

[AnarchyEngineer]

@tordana Maybe they were expecting some advanced sniping montage..?

[dlock5050]

Theres ways to set your rates to "correct" the problem. rate, cl_cmdrate, cl_updaterate, cl_interp look it up. You should set some of them atleast because your game by default is set for a slower connection. If you mess around with the interp it can make your game choppy specially with higher pings so I never snipe with any higher then 60 ping. Also huntsman ftw!!!

[MrDani68b]

im the viewer 99999

[RhaeggtheMouseHoard]

it's reverse for me: I get a shot onto the guy and it does absolutely nothing

[WufeiLord]

I actually thought it was the shot wandering because he no-scoped. Doesn't it wander?

[blacking512]

@WufeiLord no. this isnt cod

[luxgranja]

That is called lag and not hitboxes.

[BloodyReam]

Ronald Jenkees ftw

[hitback14]

anyone ever play gunz? leading was so fun.. and kstyle..



[CyberDragonZero]

Show us your ping...

[bobfed12]

awesome choice of song

[HatOfOmnipotence]

Normally, I can just flick my mouse and get a headshot. It's odd but satisfying.

[The212b]

@HatOfOmnipotence How much did you practice to do that? What I do is aim ahead of the other player until they walk into my shot. Its sound a little nooby but it usually doesn't take that long.

[HatOfOmnipotence]

@The212b When I said normally, I meant occasionally. :p

It's a tough thing to pull off, but I've grown to be attentively spastic and twitchy when I play as sniper, allowing me to lock on target quickly and make my shot. I may not get a headshot every time, but at the very least Ill get a full charged body shot.

Also, your method isn't nooby in the slightest, really. It's an actual tactic used by real snipers. So don't put yourself down as a noob for that. :p

[The212b]

@HatOfOmnipotence Ohhhh I see I can very VERY rarely do that its usually on accident. Are there other games that have good sniping machanics? I'd like to try them tf2 is the first online fps I've played on the cpu. One more thing Happy New Year good sir!

[HatOfOmnipotence]

@The212b I haven't really played many FPS' with sniping, to be honest. Although, Starwars Battlefront II does come to mind. It's a great game and has some fun sniping maps.

And likewise! :D

[Kil642]

RONALD JENKEES!!

[Archonicable]

@TheLiumD Matter's little, you're still a bad troll.

[TheLiumD]

Matters little, you're still a bad sniper.

[GrimInstincts]

@TheLiumD Matters little, it's the bullshit shot that was being shown, not his skill.

[evilfindish]

@Kriskazam Learning to see, an illustrated guide.

[Kriskazam]

What's the song name?

[Radicaldanny]

1. Aim at target

2. Predict movement pattern

3. Compensate the lagg.

4. Shoot

5. ???

6. Profit... =3

[uunderworld]

@Radicaldanny the last shot has nothing to do with "compensating the lag" there he didn't lead shot.

it was behind him. this is absolute bullshit.

[Radicaldanny]

@uunderworld

I was speaking more in general... XD

[ivancho596]

what does profit mean

[Radicaldanny]

@ivancho596

Increasing your kill ratio... =3

[SuaveButDubiousDevil]

@Radicaldanny Yeah.

I would thumbs this up.

But yo.

Source has the worst hit boxes in the game.

JUS SO U NO.

[Radicaldanny]

@SuaveButDubiousDevil

You don't have to tell me XD

[DFXist]

@Radicaldanny

what's "LAGG"

[Radicaldanny]

@DFXist

Are you serious?!

[DFXist]

@Radicaldanny

"LAGG"

"LAG"

[Radicaldanny]

@DFXist

So I typed an extra g big deal...

You know what I meant..

[DFXist]

@Radicaldanny

:|

okay

[sspope]

@Radicaldanny In case you haven't noticed or are unfamiliar with SOURCE hit detection, you have to aim behind moving targets, not ahead of them like common sense would suggest.

[Radicaldanny]

@sspope

Thats point 3... XD

[sspope]

@Radicaldanny Actually, if you play Battlefield 1942 or Red Orchestra 2, in those games you have to aim ahead to compensate for lag, especially if your ping is above 100 ms. These two games also don't have hitscan bullets, they actually simulate their travel time and that overexxagerates everything even more.

In most modern mainstream games, you have lagg compensations that do this for you, but they often overcompensate, that's why you have to aim behind.

[sspope]

@Radicaldanny Lag compensations make nothing but hurt players with good connection and cater to players with bad connection. You can often get killed long after walking behind corner because of them.

[Blazimun1]

@sspope It isn't nearly as bad in TF2, Valve really did a good job on lag comp in this game. Occasionally though, there are moments like this...

[falconi5146]

@Radicaldanny i dont think anyone is appreciating the underpants gnomes reference. i liked it though :)

[Radicaldanny]

@falconi5146

What reference? :\

[acau77]

and now Spy can face-stab.

[MarioDude44]

One time, I headshot an Engineer who was about 3 feet from me, on my left.

While he wasn't even on my screen.

[olentattimies]

lag between players

and ?

[MANFAIC]

@asdfmovie16 Look at the post date of the video. Now look at the ridiculously bad stats on the machina. Now look at your incredibly small penis. All of these things are closely related.

[AsianInvasion61]

now try that with a machina

[jra19702]

Bullet bending.

[luccasmi2]

JUMP YOU POSSE

[Gzero91]

Just. no, even if there is no hit boxes was there any point on making this video at all? lag is lag, deal with it.

[TheAstralSerpent]

@Gzero91 "Note that my ping to the server was all of 20, it's not a lag deal. Just how source works."

[laifalbert]

@TheAstralSerpent Well it doesn't happen for other people, so maybe you've got to think of another explanation? Perhaps the demoman was lagging?

[NobodyHere02]

I've tried this before and it works,for me it's not fake.

[jukkapekkalollero]

its lag

[AQNexus]

Song name?

[TheSpeedDawg]

@AQNexus

Ronald Jenkees - Guitar Sound :D

[AQNexus]

@TheSpeedDawg Well sir, I do say thank you :D

[TheSpeedDawg]

@AQNexus

You're welcome :D I listen to that song a lot.

[TheAwded]

wow, u so pro, you were going for a bodyshot, missed, and lag made u succeed

[bucketofshrimp9897]

champ chong ?

[GLaDOSmastter]

:O HOLY!!!!.....>B / SKILL

[Paulinhooo19]

thanks :)

[PS3Cruore]

Noscope lol, don't allways go straight..

[AdmiralGoatse]

@PS3Cruore That would be true if this were your call of duty, but it isn't. TF2's sniper rifle has no bullet spread, scoped or not.

[ZeroSupport1]

Why so many dislikes?

[Paulinhooo19]

song? :)

[TRAIINorz]

@Paulinhooo19 its a ronald jenkees song, "guitar sounds"

[wildcatnate]

HAX!!! lol



[preditor64]

yes but, will it blend?

[EmceeOtto]

You shot him in his personal space!

[Shrykull10]

seems legit

[0incorporeal]

This looks like..... cosole gaming to me! :<

[TheSuperEricWarshot]

huh?

[dumassproduction1000]

it hit the corpse?

[biskitsam]

Change your lerp and shit like this won't happen nearly as much. 100 lerp=100 extra ping.

[Mathias1238]

hes just lagging let it go fgs

[AnarchyAo2]

By the way, this limitation of our current technology that produces a latency/delay only makes aiming that much more difficult.

The server is rarely wrong when determining if a shot hits. That is, the server will never say you hit when you did not, through the perspective of the server, hit the player where the server (coordinately speaking) has observed the player to be.

The server could care less about the visible position you see the character at. That is a handicap for humans, to see.

[swim2themooon]

@AnarchyAo2 So if i wanted to hit someone in the head that was just standing there i would have to aim to the right of there head?

[AnarchyAo2]

@swim2themooon No, that makes no sense. Why would you aim to the right of their head if they are just standing still? They aren't actively moving to another position.

This idea of "leading" your aim to compensate for lag has always been present in first person shooters. In real-life, you have environmental factors when shooting that you must account for which could be construed as a form of latency, too...

[AnarchyAo2]

You talk about your ping, but you aren't shooting yourself.

The person you're firing on, their ping must be considered too.

Assuming he has 100 ping, that's a .10 sec delay that the bullet's registered hit would display blood. The invisible area, the area he was NOT at, at the time of the blood splatter was where he actually was when the hit was registered.

This is explained by the latency producing a delay from your shot, his movement, and finally to registering with the server.

[Industrial723]

@tordana nice man

[cutefishyz]

wtf is this ? 

[JimtheCitizen]

There may be a problem with Source's hitboxes, but this can be due to lag.

[MrSuperWaluigi]

oh god it's COD all over again

[tehcaptainhair]

@MrSuperWaluigi Can't tell if stupid.. Or just trolling.

[superdarkmario2]

@tehcaptainhair it's the truth... getting hit while already behind cover happens often

[GongKilluminati]

@MrSuperWaluigi You have to aim infront the person in COD.

TF2 you don't.

[1randomfella1]

@GongKilluminati You can really just aim in their personal space bubble and get them, i've seen so many end game killcams where the guy has aimed completely off and still got him, and I don't think killcams represent lag.

[DoubleGale]

This is lag, not bad hitboxing.

[DoctorChub]

People should really record and playback demos themselves; the replay update really made people not use their brains about these kinds of things.

[1297qwerty1297]

Fucking idiots its fucking lag

[terroraria128]

i bet he shot a spy

[MindSweeperEXL]

The problem there is not hit boxes

its lagg compensation....

[Zoralink47]

@MindSweeperEXL In Source, the two are equal. Hitboxes in Source have terrible lag compensation. They're not even attached to the model you see on the screen.

[EvilDizzbudd]

@MindSweeperEXL It's a real BITCH isn't it?

[MindSweeperEXL]

@EvilDizzbudd u bet >.<

[akibatheforgotten29]

that second shot that hit him was bullshit

[Kilesfactor]

XD I do Tho. I know semi of MOST Of what I'm talking about. The other half, is just rambling.

[TheEvalButterfree]

Tf2 has 3 or so hitboxes as far as i kno

the one where the enemy is on screen

the one infront of the enemy where the game predicts they will be

and the one behind them where the enemy last sent packet said they were

[avaruusmakkara]

@TheEvalButterfree

Wtf are you talking about.... use google. God Hitboxes dont mean that....

[teabagluigi]

@TheEvalButterfree Obvious f2p player

[BlargPanda]

@teabagluigi this was posted 3 years ago b4 f2p was even out >.>

[TheEvalButterfree]

@teabagluigi I haddent explained it well

The word isent hitboxes but its to do with TF2s netcode as far as i know there is one where the enemy is on your screen there is one where then enemy is on their screen and one where the server is

[azzward123]

Latency ^^

[isakinn100]

it's because demo mans hit box is late they have fixed it just resently

[Snake897]

@isakinn100 Actually they fixed it about 2 years ago.

[sleepteiner]

this was not good



[HolyQuebec]

due to latency. but it's true that the hitboxes are kinda broken. just watch a replay of someone using the eyelander. it's longer than sephiroth's masamune ffs

[DivingHawker]

I think this is due to lag or something of that kind

[chrisredfiud]

Fun Fact: All classes have the same hitbox. That means Heavies and Scouts' hitboxes don't take the height difference into account

[Fangscream]

@chrisredfiud : I'm guessing you haven't seen the video that showed all of the class hitboxes that I just came from.

/watch?v=9TJmiDcsxdA&feature=r­elated

[duelmastereric]

@chrisredfiud But Sniper using huntsman's hitbox is quite large.

[TheFlyingracoon22]

Champ Chong is stupid

[ganonthegreat827]

i guess he's grizz

[thebigenea]

Yeah instead shoot 200 meters away....and you get free kills

[WakeMyBow]

high ping?

[alonalon777]

@WakeMyBow nope, in low pings it happens too

[HesterDW]

Hitboxes are fine in tf2. CSS is another story.

[ThatEpicGuyTherex]

@HesterDW Honestly, the hit boxes in TF2 aren't that great but they definitely are better than CS:S. I would say Garry's Mod hit boxes are the best I've ever seen (not noclipping).

[HesterDW]

@ThatEpicGuyTherex well yea i agree with you. CSS can be ridiculous at times.

[dashausman]

@RioManegos Joke is on you, that comment was made months before the edit was made to the description.

[GoldMagnum77]

I'm a bad sniper so it actually works out in the end.

[SkrillexBass]

I can Snipe Pro Lol Add Me On Steam Epicness10

[TurbinationE]

The sniper rifle bullet actually travels so fast, it goes back in time.

[thomasanddiesel]

@TurbinationE E=MC squared?...I think not

[Wangpi3ce]

@TurbinationE so it flies at 88 miles per hour?

[chandlerj333]

@Wangpi3ce dang ninja

[chandlerj333]

@TurbinationE sniper bullets go 88 mph?

[supertoasteroftoast]

@TurbinationE it can hit 88 miles per hour fast enough.

[TheCavalliking23]

please song name?

[DjWuzHear]

@TheCavalliking23 guitar sound: ronald jenkees

[3ExtraLives]

It was the pyro. Notice it said username + username sniper killed username. The reason It showed the sniper kill is because you did more damage.

[THEgoodSPAI]

@3ExtraLives wtf... your joking, your dumb, or a troll

[chrisredfiud]

@3ExtraLives not really, the weapon shown is always the one who dealt the killing blow.

i guess.

[Knightrem]

REMOVE SCOPE!

[TheNickspower]

Thats what ping does

[thewarboys54]

97 people can't snipe in TF2

[megaforceaddict96]

what's with dislikes, cool noscope

[Letagoo]

and thats so hard to do...

[SteamMonkey115]

Well then you'll love Black ops.

[Meisgeniusidiot]

@SteamMonkey115 Knifed a guy, he doesn't die.

He jumps behind me, I knife again (with the blood animation) he still doesn't die.

He knifes me once, I die. Teammate kills the guy who knifed me as soon as i died.

[xJon2142x]

@nordkapper28 That must be why the kill says it was a sniper shot huh? Didn't know pyros had snipers.

[Mrkdandy]

jark i can



[PuffOReilly]

@nordkapper28 the pyro didnt kill him. if you bothered looking at the kill feed you would see that a sniper rifle killed him. And I dont think pyros have sniper rifles...

[63martin25]

ronald jennkes!!!



[Tien497]

cl_lagcompensation 1

[QuatreFun]

Ever heard of lag compensation? I guess no...

The demo must have been so drunk, even his hit boxes