It is really no big deal but for the sake of the DG I dont go out and do it everyday. Although it looks like I dropped altitude in this video I ended up at the same altitude before the pitch up. The camera plane did not follow me well.
I rolled my PA24-260 without consequence. I started 25 degrees up attitude and came out flat. zero altitude loss, directional change or airspeed excursion. I do not recommend this maneuver. It is hard on the DG.
Fun!! Why are people nagging so much? A bit of research as to the conditions pilots my age (21) flew in during WWII (dogfighting OVC020 +RA in FM-2s after 10h training on type) and the constant accident rates despite 'safety' advances shows IMO thinking inside the box plus repetition equals complacency. I would rather be taught aviation by a war vet treetop flying weed smuggling aileron rolling ex-convict than CFI of the year.
Nothing crazy about this maneuver at all. You could have been sleeping in the back seat and never known. Its a 1g maneuver all the way around and the speed never varies by more than 10 kts. Next time i will put a glass of water on the dash and film it. Maybe you have not seen the 707 commercial airliner doing the same roll.
That roll was mad crazy. Whatever happen to using an item for what it was intended for? Granted my '96 chevy cavalier can reach speeds of 120mph, but was it design for that? No! Its not a corvette or Lamborghini designed for high speeds. Point being, while it look cool, it was also dangerous to push this particular aircraft to it's limit and beyond. When accidents occur because stupidity like this, we all (GA) suffer. Especially, with The FAA who just love to past more and more restrictive reg
@KRAZYALTEREGO If you know what you are doing (as in, don't go trying it before you really do!) it is plenty safe and does not stress the aircraft any more than any normal operation. Also, what's the FAA to do, ban something they've already banned? Technically banks over 60 degrees are already not allowed in most situations. Not sure about this one, but even if not it's not like they could do much more
Awesome! I doubt that maneuver is in the POH though... I am going to fly in one of these this saturday. I hope the pilot doesn't try this unless he can do it as well as you...
Thank you for posting. The Comanche is the most beautiful metal plane Piper ever produced. My Dad (who was an excellent commercial pilot) always used to say that 1 G maneuvers were fine, so long as you flew the airplane all the way through, and did not let it "fall out" part way through. Incidentally, I saw the 707 that Tex Johnston pulled the barrel roll in. It's at Air and Space at Dulles Airport. Have a nice day.
Poorly executed. Should be full power, dive into the yellow arc, pitch up thirty degrees, full deflection and keep the ball centered. Roll out at entry altitude at 165mph. That's if you were going to do this in this old aircraft that is famous for stabilator flutter, and control horn cracks. They will break up. They are great planes for going places comfortably and economically. The real trick is to get there safely............
I'm getting real tired of you hacks shooting from the hip on how this should be done. That roll was done with a full power dive to 190 mph indicated then with a pitch up, release the pitch up and roll it over. Speed never changed by more that 10 kts. This airplane is also equipped with the tail mod that raises the VNE. No cracks in the horn either. If i would have pitched up 30 degrees it would have been a problem. Altitude variation for the entire roll was less than 100 ft.
Excuse me sir. The only "hack" is yourself. Bob Hoover you are not. I really don't need to be informed about Comanches and their horn problems, or lessons in Vne and flutter. I am a PA24-260 driver/owner and am well aware of FAA regulations, even the regs that speak of angle of bank in excess of 60 degrees. I suppose you had passengers along with you, (just a guess). Piper Comanche Stabilator Torque Tube Horn Cracking Study . Piper Service Bulletin No. 1160. READ IT hot shot.
Look Mr Hack. This is a one g maneuver. The speed change is less than 10 kts. Well below VNE. The airplane doesnt know it is doing anything but turning. VNE and elevator horns have nothing to do with a roll. I have owned this Comanche for 11 years now and am very familiar with the service bulletins and have thoroughly checked mine. Maybe you haven't seen the 707 that was made famous by an aileron roll. You can roll anything except maybe a hot air balloon.
Scuperhead, no need to attack. I am not a Hack, although Attack Hack does have a nice ring to it. I remember the 707 roll. I also know that it can be a 1g maneuver. I used to roll my T337D just to break up the monotony from time to time. If your local or at one of the ICS sites, maybe we can get together and take some formation pics. You upside down of course. I will be straight and level so as to not screw the pooch...N8843P
Thats full power all the way around. It will fall out at the top because it was kept at 1 g all the way around. The perspective of the camera airplane climbing also ads to the appearance that the comanche is dropping more than it was.
It is really no big deal but for the sake of the DG I dont go out and do it everyday. Although it looks like I dropped altitude in this video I ended up at the same altitude before the pitch up. The camera plane did not follow me well.
scuperhead 3 months ago
I rolled my PA24-260 without consequence. I started 25 degrees up attitude and came out flat. zero altitude loss, directional change or airspeed excursion. I do not recommend this maneuver. It is hard on the DG.
apogee1mars 3 months ago
Thank you.
scuperhead 1 year ago
Nice 1G roll.
ednel1 1 year ago
Fun!! Why are people nagging so much? A bit of research as to the conditions pilots my age (21) flew in during WWII (dogfighting OVC020 +RA in FM-2s after 10h training on type) and the constant accident rates despite 'safety' advances shows IMO thinking inside the box plus repetition equals complacency. I would rather be taught aviation by a war vet treetop flying weed smuggling aileron rolling ex-convict than CFI of the year.
LethalHobo 1 year ago
The airplane does not know it was inverted.
scuperhead 1 year ago
Nothing crazy about this maneuver at all. You could have been sleeping in the back seat and never known. Its a 1g maneuver all the way around and the speed never varies by more than 10 kts. Next time i will put a glass of water on the dash and film it. Maybe you have not seen the 707 commercial airliner doing the same roll.
scuperhead 1 year ago
That roll was mad crazy. Whatever happen to using an item for what it was intended for? Granted my '96 chevy cavalier can reach speeds of 120mph, but was it design for that? No! Its not a corvette or Lamborghini designed for high speeds. Point being, while it look cool, it was also dangerous to push this particular aircraft to it's limit and beyond. When accidents occur because stupidity like this, we all (GA) suffer. Especially, with The FAA who just love to past more and more restrictive reg
KRAZYALTEREGO 1 year ago
@KRAZYALTEREGO If you know what you are doing (as in, don't go trying it before you really do!) it is plenty safe and does not stress the aircraft any more than any normal operation. Also, what's the FAA to do, ban something they've already banned? Technically banks over 60 degrees are already not allowed in most situations. Not sure about this one, but even if not it's not like they could do much more
draconic45 1 year ago
Man, the Comanche must have a pretty good rate of roll. I know the roll rate in a Cherokee is nowhere near that.
PA28140 1 year ago
@PA28140 Get aileron gap seals and try it, gives it a decent bit more roll rate, probably in line with what you're seeing if you get the speed up.
draconic45 1 year ago
Awesome! I doubt that maneuver is in the POH though... I am going to fly in one of these this saturday. I hope the pilot doesn't try this unless he can do it as well as you...
PA28140 1 year ago
Thank you for posting. The Comanche is the most beautiful metal plane Piper ever produced. My Dad (who was an excellent commercial pilot) always used to say that 1 G maneuvers were fine, so long as you flew the airplane all the way through, and did not let it "fall out" part way through. Incidentally, I saw the 707 that Tex Johnston pulled the barrel roll in. It's at Air and Space at Dulles Airport. Have a nice day.
Dude2Hot2BStr8 1 year ago
Regardless of the comments, I thought it was a pretty cool thing to watch. Thanks for sharing.
sducey 1 year ago
Nice! I never thought a Comanche could do that but I have been proved wrong, great video!
Wells1955ATC 2 years ago
Nope. The airplane does not know it was inverted. Its 1 G all the way around.
scuperhead 2 years ago
I thought it looked cool. Seemed very controlled. I'd like to do that someday. But I'm afraid of doing that in an PA28-181 Archer.
froobin903 2 years ago
Poorly executed. Should be full power, dive into the yellow arc, pitch up thirty degrees, full deflection and keep the ball centered. Roll out at entry altitude at 165mph. That's if you were going to do this in this old aircraft that is famous for stabilator flutter, and control horn cracks. They will break up. They are great planes for going places comfortably and economically. The real trick is to get there safely............
apogee1mars 2 years ago
I'm getting real tired of you hacks shooting from the hip on how this should be done. That roll was done with a full power dive to 190 mph indicated then with a pitch up, release the pitch up and roll it over. Speed never changed by more that 10 kts. This airplane is also equipped with the tail mod that raises the VNE. No cracks in the horn either. If i would have pitched up 30 degrees it would have been a problem. Altitude variation for the entire roll was less than 100 ft.
scuperhead 2 years ago
Excuse me sir. The only "hack" is yourself. Bob Hoover you are not. I really don't need to be informed about Comanches and their horn problems, or lessons in Vne and flutter. I am a PA24-260 driver/owner and am well aware of FAA regulations, even the regs that speak of angle of bank in excess of 60 degrees. I suppose you had passengers along with you, (just a guess). Piper Comanche Stabilator Torque Tube Horn Cracking Study . Piper Service Bulletin No. 1160. READ IT hot shot.
apogee1mars 2 years ago
Look Mr Hack. This is a one g maneuver. The speed change is less than 10 kts. Well below VNE. The airplane doesnt know it is doing anything but turning. VNE and elevator horns have nothing to do with a roll. I have owned this Comanche for 11 years now and am very familiar with the service bulletins and have thoroughly checked mine. Maybe you haven't seen the 707 that was made famous by an aileron roll. You can roll anything except maybe a hot air balloon.
scuperhead 2 years ago
Scuperhead, no need to attack. I am not a Hack, although Attack Hack does have a nice ring to it. I remember the 707 roll. I also know that it can be a 1g maneuver. I used to roll my T337D just to break up the monotony from time to time. If your local or at one of the ICS sites, maybe we can get together and take some formation pics. You upside down of course. I will be straight and level so as to not screw the pooch...N8843P
apogee1mars 2 years ago
How about you just hold the camera up side down. :)
scuperhead 2 years ago
I noticed as he came over the top, you pulled the power back a bit! That could get dicey real quick.
GutpileCharlie 2 years ago
Thats full power all the way around. It will fall out at the top because it was kept at 1 g all the way around. The perspective of the camera airplane climbing also ads to the appearance that the comanche is dropping more than it was.
scuperhead 2 years ago
beware!!
dbowie2007 2 years ago
Yes.. I was just thinking the exact same thing.
jmr604 3 years ago
Glad those aren't my gyros!!
markebel 3 years ago
thats cool, but that could end very badly
chugly11 4 years ago
That would be hard to do when your 5000 feet up.
scuperhead 4 years ago
@chugly11 This airplane is equipped with solid state gyros.
scuperhead 2 years ago
Comanches... what great looking airplanes!
TheChad40 4 years ago 2