Germans had the better army and generals - they ran out of manpower and material. Their only chance against Russia was to win a quick war against them knocking them out quickly before the first winter set in. They failed at doing this. The result was Communism dominating eastern Europe for the next 50 years
@theskeptic2010 Nazi victory would have meant genocide and slavery in Eastern Europe, and a Nazi empire that the Western Allies would have had a much more difficult time defeating, if at all. It was the lesser of two evils.
Indeed the allies won, but the Soviets were quite different from the other allied nations. If the Soviets had been the only enemy, no German soldiers would have surrendered to them.
Well, they had no other choice facing the Russians. And those who refused to fight were sentenced to death. On the other side, Germans massively surrendered to American and Brits.
@LibertaerUeberAlles 50 years of comunist rule or concentracion camps, gas chambers, destruction os slavic race---- yes I still think comunists ware now the worst thing that could happen to us after ww2
Hungarians knew what was coming, that is the renewed Red Army offensive in E and C Europe. In the books Icebreaker and The Chief Culprit ex KGB man Suvorov shows the Red Army was starting to gear up for an all out offensive in E and C Europe like they tried to do in 1919-20.
Balaton offensive and Ardennes Bulge gained nothing strategic and stripped Germany of vital forces along Vistula front in Poland--leading to ultimate doom of third Reich.
Listen, I'm not a Fascist or Neo-Nazi. But if I were in Hungary during WWII. I probably would have fought alongside the German's.
I personally have been to Budapest and visited the history museum's about WWII.
Hungarian's were between a rock and a hard place! If they surrendered to the Soviet's, which ultimately happened. The Soviet's would not only destroy the city, but also rape and pillage the whole country.
The Hungarian's only tried to survive this terrible war! I respect them greatly!
@sultan300 we dont wanted to send those mans but there were the german request what we cannot deny or we would risk a german invasion, originally germans wanted 500 000 people in the army 200 000 was the minimum what we can send, not all the 200 000 dead. It was really tugh loss we lost 68 000 man who died and another 30 000 POW, sadly only 8-10 000 POW returned. hungary was prepared for a local war against local coutryes but not for a world war
@jahan77 They also did so because Hitler refused to negotiate with the Allies and decided that if he was losing the war, he would take all of Germany down with him in one huge bloodbath. Yet Germany survived, and is united today.
Yep, I've never heard of a soviet plan to smash Germany. Last thing I read was that Stalin thouhgt Hitler would never dare, even as his generals warned him in '41.
WE ALL KNOW that the war in Iraq is waged for profit and influence. Nothing good will come of this except possible the downfall of the bush regime and his thugs.
Right on. On 9/11 we were attacked by the Hasidim in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. They flew their beards into the World Trade Center. And in DC, the Pentagon was attacked by its janitors seeking higher wages. Yup, you make a lot of sense, Mortimer Snerd.
My thanks goes out to the German soldiers, who fought and died in our country alongside our soldiers (Ungarn) to protect us from the invading Bolshevist demons of the east. They have fought valiently till the end!
@Honved87 Regent Stephen Horthy tried to negotiate peace with Russians to keep both Russia and Wehrmacht out of Hungary but the SS came in and held a gun to his son's head until Horthy capitulated and gave power to Nyilas German stooges.
Oh In see. And on Dec.7,1941, Pearl Harbor was bombed by American planes disguised as Jap zeroes? Oh and the attack on the USS Cole was done by American frogmen disguised as Arabs. You ain't too swift there, are you? Hemorrhoids of the brain? Is that your problem?
Hitler didn't care how many "volunteers to fight Bolshevism" he got and died from, for example Hungary, Rumania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Spain,Finland, France, Holland,Belgium etc. Anything to fight these "Bolshevik beasts" who had never wanted any war with Germany. But after Hitler gave up trying to conquer England, the freaking maniac had to do something to keep the war going, so thru propaganda he got volunteers. How stupid can mortals be? Duh.
Those young non-Germans who volunteered to fight on the Eastern Front were certainly brainwashed to an extent, much like American troops who fight in Iraq & Afghanistan today. Once these troops go into action, see their friends getting killed and wounded and witness unspeakable horror, many changed their minds. That Nazi propaganda reminds me of Fox News a bit...'our brave troops fighting for the Fatherland destroying the beastly enemy'. Very sad indeed.
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You are comparing our guys in Afghanistan and Iraq with non-German Waffen SS volunteers? Are you crazy. WE WERE ATTACKED on 9/11 by these Islamofascist bastards trained and protected in Afghanistan. And so we counterattacked and are still killing them. Saadam was a clear danger as proven by the Israeli Osirik attackj in 1981. He hid his WMD in Syria while thumbing his nose at the UN. Bush was RIGHT in going in there and we SHALL WIN there too.
Brainwashed. If Saddam was such a threat why did the UN (supported fully at the time by the US) only authorise military action to drive Saddam's troops from Kuwait in 91. Anyway, your troops are bogged down in a hopeless guerrilla war in Iraq that you simply can never even hope to win. No invading force has ever occupied Iraq or Afghanistan without getting their asses kicked out in the end.
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You have too little faith in the United States.
We will drive al-Qaida out of both countries and hand bin Laden the most disgraceful loss he could imagine. Be patient. Even Joe Arab is beginning to hate al-Qaida.
why would you want to drive Al-Qaida out of Afganistan and Irak? Would it be more intelligent to drive them back from USA instead of INVADING other countries that have nothing to do about Terrorism but oil and the New World Order?
39rc6cf you are brainwhased by CNN and FOX News...
@ivangrozny27 HEY ASSHOLE WE WON AND WERE PULLING OUT, if you agree with the war or not we won, its afghanistan that we're bogged down in, fucking iraqis dont have the fighting instinct like the mountain people of afghanistan
Actually the Soviets were waiting for the Germans to commit the bulk of their forces into invading Britain, at which point they planned to invade Germany by surprise. German intelligence discovered these plans which is why they suddenly turned their forces around and attacked. They captured nearly 2 million Russian troops in the first couple of months alone, along with thousands of tanks, aircraft and heavy artillery.
What bullshit. I read German and have gone over several WWII books in German and published in Germany. Not one ever made reference to your plan of action regarding a Red invasion when Hitler invaded England. In German, this is "Quatsch" i.e. BALONEY. You are probably some left over Nazi-lover having camped out since 1945 in the Schwartzwald.
Why don't you try reading the statements that were released from Germany immediately following Operation Barbarossa. It is well documented infact that the Wehrmacht captured millions of enemy soldiers and vast amounts of weapons and equipment, all sitting just outside their borders on the eastern frontier. If these were stationed there for defensive purposes they would not have been so easily overrun by the Germans.
So what? The Germans captured millions and ended up losing the war. What a joke. It's like a Yankee team hitting ten home runs in a game and then losing it. So who cares about the ten homers? It's the END RESULT that counts and the end result was a dead Hitler and a devastated nation. Whoopee!
I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point. I was talking about the fact that the Soviets were planning an invasion of Germany's eastern frontier quite awhile before operation Barbarossa. What is your response? An American baseball analogy that doesn't even address the topic! Brilliant. What will be the end result of American-centric stupidity? Why don't you come up with a sports anology for that one genius.
Horseshit comes from two sources: either from the rear end of a horse or from your keyboard. Stalin was planning to attack Germany, you say? You are a freaking Nazi-apologist liar. No such thing.The LAST THING Soviet Russia needed was a war. It was Hitler's "Mein Kampf" who held Soviet "Untermenschen" in murderous contempt, not the other way around. Go take your pro-Nazi bullshit and ease on down the road. You fool no one, fool!
Boyee!Read History sometimes instead of sport magazines!You sound like someone brought up by the television.Why don`t you ask yourself instead;"What if one of them right?"So instead of bursting into a tirade,why don`t you read?Give us your source please!
It is a well known fact that an army preparing to attack is in a poor position to defend itself if it is suddenly attacked by surprise. This is why the Germans attacked, rather than wait for the Russians to attack, despite losing the propaganda advantage. Imagine if the Soviets had invaded and caught Germany by surprise, it would be over inside 6months and the rest of Europe within a few years.
Mate, you're talking absolute bollocks. The Soviets were worried about an invasion by Japan, Stalin was convinced (even after the Germans started shooting)that Germany wouldn't invade.
Why ARE you trying to defend Germany's aggression?
The above is my response to 39rc6cf's comment. Why the discussion had digressed into an argument about Al Qaida I dont know. I suppose some people believe America has to be the center of every discussion or an equivelent American example must be demonstrated in every discussion. That goes to show how egocentric American culture is.
I am Jewish, but respect the German soldiers as they were elite.
BoyJewish 1 month ago
Military losses in battles was same. But this movie is so pathetic.
RobotN001 3 months ago
@RobotN001 Goebels handiwork.
trzcinarowice 2 months ago
We can still find some WW2 german aircrafts burried in the mud in lake Balaton :)
somethingirreversib 4 months ago
9th SS Mountain fought to the end because they knew they would reap what they had sown.
Emiko415 7 months ago 4
Germans had the better army and generals - they ran out of manpower and material. Their only chance against Russia was to win a quick war against them knocking them out quickly before the first winter set in. They failed at doing this. The result was Communism dominating eastern Europe for the next 50 years
theskeptic2010 8 months ago
@theskeptic2010 Nazi victory would have meant genocide and slavery in Eastern Europe, and a Nazi empire that the Western Allies would have had a much more difficult time defeating, if at all. It was the lesser of two evils.
squamish4244 5 months ago
@theskeptic2010 And Communism has been gone for 20 years.
squamish4244 5 months ago
@mauzoweiss
Indeed the allies won, but the Soviets were quite different from the other allied nations. If the Soviets had been the only enemy, no German soldiers would have surrendered to them.
notaire2 1 year ago 3
@notaire2 then why did they surrender in the thousands to the Soviets
Emperor470 8 months ago
@Emperor470
Probably because they had exhausted their power and had no choice but to surrender at the end of the war.
notaire2 8 months ago
Die deutschen Soldaten kämpften tapfer gegen die sowjetischen Armee bis zum Ende.
notaire2 1 year ago
@notaire2 WE WON TAKE THAT
mauzoweiss 1 year ago
@notaire2 YES AND LOST LONG LIVE THE ALLIES
mauzoweiss 1 year ago
Well, they had no other choice facing the Russians. And those who refused to fight were sentenced to death. On the other side, Germans massively surrendered to American and Brits.
ebola92 1 year ago
we are so lucky that germans lost the war
kokosz33 1 year ago
@kokosz33
Yes, lucky indeed. Thanks to Germany's loss, Poland suffered for 50-years under Communists rule.
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago 5
@LibertaerUeberAlles 50 years of comunist rule or concentracion camps, gas chambers, destruction os slavic race---- yes I still think comunists ware now the worst thing that could happen to us after ww2
kokosz33 1 year ago
Soviets & Stalin killed more people in peacetime than germans in WW2. That is the realy shocking story....
celebration81 2 years ago 6
Hungarians knew what was coming, that is the renewed Red Army offensive in E and C Europe. In the books Icebreaker and The Chief Culprit ex KGB man Suvorov shows the Red Army was starting to gear up for an all out offensive in E and C Europe like they tried to do in 1919-20.
blucher45 2 years ago 4
in ww I the eastern front of Entente completly collapsed
celebration81 2 years ago
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MoonyXqaX 3 years ago
Balaton offensive and Ardennes Bulge gained nothing strategic and stripped Germany of vital forces along Vistula front in Poland--leading to ultimate doom of third Reich.
IanHunedoara8 3 years ago
Listen, I'm not a Fascist or Neo-Nazi. But if I were in Hungary during WWII. I probably would have fought alongside the German's.
I personally have been to Budapest and visited the history museum's about WWII.
Hungarian's were between a rock and a hard place! If they surrendered to the Soviet's, which ultimately happened. The Soviet's would not only destroy the city, but also rape and pillage the whole country.
The Hungarian's only tried to survive this terrible war! I respect them greatly!
SILVARCS 3 years ago
If Hungary was just surviving, what was the Hungarian Second Army doing at the Don, deep in Soviet territory in 1942?
Such an action does not really characterize a nation that is trying to survive sending 200.000 people to their deaths.
Respect for the fallen.
sultan300 3 years ago
@sultan300 we dont wanted to send those mans but there were the german request what we cannot deny or we would risk a german invasion, originally germans wanted 500 000 people in the army 200 000 was the minimum what we can send, not all the 200 000 dead. It was really tugh loss we lost 68 000 man who died and another 30 000 POW, sadly only 8-10 000 POW returned. hungary was prepared for a local war against local coutryes but not for a world war
berlin128g 5 months ago
@SILVARCS no the HUngarians wanted power nothing else
mauzoweiss 1 year ago
these women were forced to help german soldiers
BeaRMGk 3 years ago
so call me uneducated,but that is a medium assault gun
lidltomat 3 years ago
Idióta Amcsik az nem Stuhl Weissenburg hanem Stuhlweissenburg.
12tdgj 3 years ago 3
Despite facing terrible odds, the Germans fought bravely to the end.
...the couch potatoes commenting here have no concept of these things.
jahan77 4 years ago 19
of course.... and the bravest of them was sitting in his bunker all the time waiting for the less brave to do a miracle...
stylian65 2 years ago
... and the least brave of all, get to comment over half a century later, on something they never witnessed, and think that this is cool.
jahan77 2 years ago 3
lol
nederwiet1 2 years ago
@jahan77 They also did so because Hitler refused to negotiate with the Allies and decided that if he was losing the war, he would take all of Germany down with him in one huge bloodbath. Yet Germany survived, and is united today.
squamish4244 5 months ago
@squamish4244
Touche!
jahan77 4 months ago
@jahan77 They asked for it.
trzcinarowice 2 months ago
@trzcinarowice What are you talking about?
jahan77 1 month ago
@jahan77 Did Poles or Norwegians attacked Germany ?
trzcinarowice 1 month ago
@trzcinarowice Why is that relevant to the rest of the world?
jahan77 1 month ago
@jahan77 Don't start war and you will not have to "fight bravely facing terrible odds".
trzcinarowice 1 month ago
@trzcinarowice Who started the war?
jahan77 1 month ago
Yep, I've never heard of a soviet plan to smash Germany. Last thing I read was that Stalin thouhgt Hitler would never dare, even as his generals warned him in '41.
mistersmith6000 4 years ago
OMg waht the fuck is that !?
HansiHinternseer 4 years ago
TNX WW2GermanNewsreels
LAGIOS13 4 years ago
WE ALL KNOW that the war in Iraq is waged for profit and influence. Nothing good will come of this except possible the downfall of the bush regime and his thugs.
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39rc6cf 4 years ago
Right on. On 9/11 we were attacked by the Hasidim in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. They flew their beards into the World Trade Center. And in DC, the Pentagon was attacked by its janitors seeking higher wages. Yup, you make a lot of sense, Mortimer Snerd.
39rc6cf 4 years ago
My thanks goes out to the German soldiers, who fought and died in our country alongside our soldiers (Ungarn) to protect us from the invading Bolshevist demons of the east. They have fought valiently till the end!
Wir werden sie nie vergessen
Honved87 4 years ago 4
@Honved87 Regent Stephen Horthy tried to negotiate peace with Russians to keep both Russia and Wehrmacht out of Hungary but the SS came in and held a gun to his son's head until Horthy capitulated and gave power to Nyilas German stooges.
IanHunedoara8 1 year ago
Oh In see. And on Dec.7,1941, Pearl Harbor was bombed by American planes disguised as Jap zeroes? Oh and the attack on the USS Cole was done by American frogmen disguised as Arabs. You ain't too swift there, are you? Hemorrhoids of the brain? Is that your problem?
39rc6cf 4 years ago
Hitler didn't care how many "volunteers to fight Bolshevism" he got and died from, for example Hungary, Rumania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Spain,Finland, France, Holland,Belgium etc. Anything to fight these "Bolshevik beasts" who had never wanted any war with Germany. But after Hitler gave up trying to conquer England, the freaking maniac had to do something to keep the war going, so thru propaganda he got volunteers. How stupid can mortals be? Duh.
39rc6cf 4 years ago
Those young non-Germans who volunteered to fight on the Eastern Front were certainly brainwashed to an extent, much like American troops who fight in Iraq & Afghanistan today. Once these troops go into action, see their friends getting killed and wounded and witness unspeakable horror, many changed their minds. That Nazi propaganda reminds me of Fox News a bit...'our brave troops fighting for the Fatherland destroying the beastly enemy'. Very sad indeed.
ivangrozny27 4 years ago 5
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You are comparing our guys in Afghanistan and Iraq with non-German Waffen SS volunteers? Are you crazy. WE WERE ATTACKED on 9/11 by these Islamofascist bastards trained and protected in Afghanistan. And so we counterattacked and are still killing them. Saadam was a clear danger as proven by the Israeli Osirik attackj in 1981. He hid his WMD in Syria while thumbing his nose at the UN. Bush was RIGHT in going in there and we SHALL WIN there too.
39rc6cf 4 years ago
Brainwashed. If Saddam was such a threat why did the UN (supported fully at the time by the US) only authorise military action to drive Saddam's troops from Kuwait in 91. Anyway, your troops are bogged down in a hopeless guerrilla war in Iraq that you simply can never even hope to win. No invading force has ever occupied Iraq or Afghanistan without getting their asses kicked out in the end.
ivangrozny27 4 years ago 9
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You have too little faith in the United States.
We will drive al-Qaida out of both countries and hand bin Laden the most disgraceful loss he could imagine. Be patient. Even Joe Arab is beginning to hate al-Qaida.
39rc6cf 4 years ago
why would you want to drive Al-Qaida out of Afganistan and Irak? Would it be more intelligent to drive them back from USA instead of INVADING other countries that have nothing to do about Terrorism but oil and the New World Order?
39rc6cf you are brainwhased by CNN and FOX News...
Phillgx 4 years ago 3
@ivangrozny27 not true but nice try
walkertexasranger33 1 year ago
@ivangrozny27 HEY ASSHOLE WE WON AND WERE PULLING OUT, if you agree with the war or not we won, its afghanistan that we're bogged down in, fucking iraqis dont have the fighting instinct like the mountain people of afghanistan
WVliberty 1 year ago
@ivangrozny27 Alexander....
stockingcpl 8 months ago
Actually the Soviets were waiting for the Germans to commit the bulk of their forces into invading Britain, at which point they planned to invade Germany by surprise. German intelligence discovered these plans which is why they suddenly turned their forces around and attacked. They captured nearly 2 million Russian troops in the first couple of months alone, along with thousands of tanks, aircraft and heavy artillery.
blacklance123 4 years ago
What bullshit. I read German and have gone over several WWII books in German and published in Germany. Not one ever made reference to your plan of action regarding a Red invasion when Hitler invaded England. In German, this is "Quatsch" i.e. BALONEY. You are probably some left over Nazi-lover having camped out since 1945 in the Schwartzwald.
39rc6cf 4 years ago
Why don't you try reading the statements that were released from Germany immediately following Operation Barbarossa. It is well documented infact that the Wehrmacht captured millions of enemy soldiers and vast amounts of weapons and equipment, all sitting just outside their borders on the eastern frontier. If these were stationed there for defensive purposes they would not have been so easily overrun by the Germans.
blacklance123 4 years ago 2
So what? The Germans captured millions and ended up losing the war. What a joke. It's like a Yankee team hitting ten home runs in a game and then losing it. So who cares about the ten homers? It's the END RESULT that counts and the end result was a dead Hitler and a devastated nation. Whoopee!
39rc6cf 4 years ago
I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point. I was talking about the fact that the Soviets were planning an invasion of Germany's eastern frontier quite awhile before operation Barbarossa. What is your response? An American baseball analogy that doesn't even address the topic! Brilliant. What will be the end result of American-centric stupidity? Why don't you come up with a sports anology for that one genius.
blacklance123 4 years ago 3
Horseshit comes from two sources: either from the rear end of a horse or from your keyboard. Stalin was planning to attack Germany, you say? You are a freaking Nazi-apologist liar. No such thing.The LAST THING Soviet Russia needed was a war. It was Hitler's "Mein Kampf" who held Soviet "Untermenschen" in murderous contempt, not the other way around. Go take your pro-Nazi bullshit and ease on down the road. You fool no one, fool!
39rc6cf 4 years ago
Boyee!Read History sometimes instead of sport magazines!You sound like someone brought up by the television.Why don`t you ask yourself instead;"What if one of them right?"So instead of bursting into a tirade,why don`t you read?Give us your source please!
egerhardcore 3 years ago
@39rc6cf Pro Nazi bullshit isn't any worse than Your Pro Soviet bullshit
MrTennesseeVols 1 year ago
It is a well known fact that an army preparing to attack is in a poor position to defend itself if it is suddenly attacked by surprise. This is why the Germans attacked, rather than wait for the Russians to attack, despite losing the propaganda advantage. Imagine if the Soviets had invaded and caught Germany by surprise, it would be over inside 6months and the rest of Europe within a few years.
blacklance123 4 years ago
Mate, you're talking absolute bollocks. The Soviets were worried about an invasion by Japan, Stalin was convinced (even after the Germans started shooting)that Germany wouldn't invade.
Why ARE you trying to defend Germany's aggression?
jon2johnny 4 years ago
The above is my response to 39rc6cf's comment. Why the discussion had digressed into an argument about Al Qaida I dont know. I suppose some people believe America has to be the center of every discussion or an equivelent American example must be demonstrated in every discussion. That goes to show how egocentric American culture is.
blacklance123 4 years ago 2