This video has had me captivated for days now. I think my favorite line is "Get the data you need, really find out what's going on, and then you can have your freedom." What does that even mean? LOL! :-) This doc is a fascinating journey into the role linguistics plays in "group think."
Thanks for posting this. I have good memories of the AAC and it was great to see the familiar faces. The auditing there was professional. For those of us who had spent years on staff at a Scientology organization, it was something like a half-way house for the hyperindoctrinated, or a kind of methadone treatment. Hard to believe that was over twenty-seven years ago.
It's like what would happen if only the nice people were left in Scientology. I mean, I may think they're kind of kooky, but who could possibly object seriously to this? Opposition to Scientology isn't about beliefs -- it's about the actions of a thoroughly corrupt institution.
Excellent to see the states that people are going through on their way out from the cult. Even though not entirely sensible, I would have loved to be around at that time to see everything that was happening back then. One of the greatest lies ever sold? -- at least in the last 50 years or so. I mean their rationalizing a belief system that takes them to OT 3. Holy crap!
@Arcadian0769 well... I think people do get something out of the auditing activity at first-it is an interesting way to approach one's psychological backdrop. Unfortunately, Scientology goes in to manipulate and matrix people's minds more and more by framing things in this strange Orwellian Newspeak. It would be great if the actual science could come in and look at all of it more closely. Unlike that 1950ies, science and humanities now have language to acknowledge and describe what happens here.
@tomorrowstruth I reckon that is one of the most intelligent responses I have seen, I just read yesterday exactly something which I think relates to this zegel tape number 3 on xenu tv dot com ( you can scroll down the transcript to the section on LRH around 3 quarter way down. Did you ever experience Scientology yourself?
"Fantastic!Fantastic!Sounds good to me!FANTASTIC!"
"my pc's begin blowing things & cogniting,& originating,its like wow..It's the actual absence of things (Im assuming he's refering to logic,sanity,reasoning,etc) that makes it so wonderful here"
"I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind; there was something so pleasant about that place. Even your emotions have an echo in so much space.mmm...Does that make me crazy, doesthatmakemecrazy, does that make me crazy? ProbablEEE."
It does seem like a game that is fun to play but revolves around intricately named illusions. But seeing this definitely gives a much better understanding of how pre-Miscavige Scientology worked, what people liked about it. David Mayo has an aura of clarity and calmness around him that's very different from the quasi-aristocratic and militaristic appearances of Miscavige or the Thommy Davis, who always appears as a sleek bank representative. (at 1:00:00 he talks about the breakaway)
I knew Shiona, I had met her same year after she came back from the US, I had stayed with her and her partner in London October 1984 and met her daughter. This makes me wonder, are there any of the AAC staff keeping the spirit of Scientology now? Where is David and Julie Mayo nowadays?
What is interesting to see and hear when you watch this video is how brainwashed they all are. Just look at their their facial expression its like total emptiness like robots. Those who brainwashed them did a great job they have earned a great honour namely to be the owner of a bag filled with dirt.
This video is from decades ago. Most of these people have moved on. David Mayo wrote in the mid 1990s that he had not been a Scientologist for some time. He moved on too.
The game laughing boy register has going is taking people for all they are worth while being taken for all he is worth. Good luck to him in the used car business.
These people can probably function in no other place. They are laughing at the wrong parts. They seem like a bunch of zombies and in saying this I by no means mean to insult the good people of Hait or their Voodoo religion. I wonder if they can all levitate ashtrays by now. Excuse me, I have to go puke.
What's your view on regging? My view is that no one would ever become involved in a strange cult unless a high pressure salesman took them into it.
These people can probably function in no other place. They are laughing at the wrong parts. They seem like a bunch of zombies and in saying this I by no means mean to insult the good people of Hait or their Voodoo religion. I wonder if they can all levitate ashtrays by now. Excuse me, I have to go puke.
Notice at 35:01. John Bell with Barbara Eastman. Is that the John Bell that made the arrangements for female PCs to become involved in the Hollywood striptease/sex worker industry, to pay for their Scientology services?
Isnt he the most aryan person youve ever seen, hed fit in more with 1930's Nazi Germany lol, the prices are very high i.e we want ur money lol, though he is another pawn in the crazy game of religion that makes absolutely no sense. Give up and believe in science not a book or cult.
Interviewer: "Anybody else in your family in Scientology?"
John Zegel (smiling): "My wife is a Class 8/Class 8 CS. Of course all of our immediate family are Scientologists. My oldest stepson is in the CoS. He's the CO/CMO INT so we sort of have family members on both sides of the fence."
I: "And can you communicate with your son?"
JZ (still smiling): "Not a word. We haven't heard from him in just about 18 months."
@ChurchOfCylontology Then,being on "the tech" makes you have a really BAD taste in fashion? Now that's a good reason for not being a scientologist at all,freezoner or not! I mean,who would want to have that horrible haircut...? (???)
Do you mind if I sit down with you ? That would be fine. Right thanks. Thank you. I now have received your communication and I resopond with mine. Ok I ve have got that. I have got you too. shell we start our communication cycle now? Yes. Right start.
Here is the phone and the computer. Right. Thank you. Ive got that. Thanks ok right. thanks I got that. thanks. right thanks ive got that too. Yes. thanks Ive got it now also. right well thanks again and Ive got it. great thanks. ive got that. Ok on that? Yes thanks. Right Ive got that. Got what? What you just said. Oh right. Thanks I now got that. thanks..
@COREarg I hope sit does not either..but...These are the same people who were most likely going to kill Jentz in the fake bomb threat they GOT CAUGHT making.
Then you compile the fact that Pope discovered a GIANT tank of propane, and I bet they have MANY tanks. Anyone who read The Anarchist Cookbook can tell you first step in cheap terrorism (what $cientology is) is to use propane bombs with nails attached to it.
Fucking insane customers. What kind of idiot in the age of the Internet still gives these criminals money? How stupid, gullible, and willfully ignorant does one have to be to fall for the Scientology crime syndicate's frauds and scams these days?
from most of the comments I think the point in posting this has been missed,these ppl altho the had left the church are still speaking the same language of "cultspeak",they still speak in the jargon of the dogma,I think this video shows how deeply the level of brainwashing and delusion of granduer of the importance of scientology is imbedded in the persons mind,the interaction between the individuals here is very cold and superficial,watch how they interact closely and its very transparent
You were fairly accurate about the 'protestant' part, but it was less about dogmatic-disagreement and purely organizational and procedural disagreement.
Their nomenclature is rather easy to follow if your interest is in the actual issues within and not just the surface sound bytes. This video is actually quite interesting in the history of the religion, I say religion because this video just shows how the official church is the oppressive cult, not purely the subject.
I understand that the thrust of the dogma is that spiritual growth is really just accessing a "technology" and your personal development has a seemingly corporate designation as a "case."
And everything else is referred to by initials or acronyms.
Did this splinter group survive?
How far did they get giving bargain prices for what the mother church charged tens of thousands of dollars for?
I admire that they reject concepts like "disconnection."
This splinter group was dissolved in America due to pressure from the CoS, says Wikipedia.
Their pricing and the fact they existed as an option was the cause of their dissolution by the CoS. When management changed in the 80's the prices changed, it is not as if these things nor the overhead of any sane organization would cost much at all.
@Harizl this video gives me the impression that it is a fake reformation,it seems like it maybe a way of pulling people in who are suspicious of the church and keep members of the church who have grown disillusioned with it,it would be interesting to see if these people have actualy been able to break with the bullshit teachings or if they went back to the church I have no doubt that this was short lived in the history of $cientology,either was absorbed back into the church or sued intooblivion
Maybe you don't understand that people actually get positive things from this stuff.
Similarly to catholic confessional and talk-therapy, the effect it has is pretty much the same, although the therapeutic results may be miss-attributed.
The "bullshit teachings" are just as valid as other religions.
The point of the reformation was genuine, It was to make an organization outside the CoS without the massive overhead and abuses of the organization getting in the way.
@Harizl well yes and no, you can get positive effects for the sake of argument from anything depending on your point of view,doing heroin for example or smoking cigarettes gives its consumer what that consumer wants,the teachings of hubbard are pretty standard "im ok youre ok"with spiritual overtones,while Ive read dianetics as a point of study,the bottom line is hubbard was a scam artist and $cientology is his snakeoil,scientology is not a religion its a commodity,contrast jedi could be relgion
@Harizl the point can be taken further to say, does
"religion" itself have real positive things to offer or is religion itself just a tool to control the masses and keep everyone polite,Im not commenting on someones personal spiritual beliefs ,which in that case dianetics can offer someone who needs specific tools that go along with what they already believe to make the life they want,but cults or religions like scientology seem to eventualy lead to abuse,like your example the catholic church
@Harizl the impression that scientologist always seem to give is,tho they are somewhat successful in life at least on the surface,they seem to be very insulated from the world outside of scientology, and it just doesnt give atleast superficialy that they are truly happy and healthy individuals, they are always seeking to buy something unattainable,budhism by contrast would say, what you are seeking is free and youve already attained it, christianity would say what you seek is free and attainable
Well, Christianity's method is to pay for it non-monitarily but to forget about receiving a delivery, but that's another discussion.
I would say that it is irrelevant, as all 3 groups can be seen as insular and isolated with a self worth all 3 to varying degrees.
The point is that these people wanted to practice their beliefs (religious or otherwise) in a better way and I dont see the point of calling it "bullshit teachings" or comparing the drones of one religion to another.
@Harizl well as far as bullshit, have you ever read any of hubbards writings?,the whole idea of xenu being hidden from lower levels and non scions,that scientology actualy encourages lying about this central mythology to its teaching, would qualify as bullshit, as far as comparing the drones of one religion to the other is entirely the point of the way religions work and recruit new members,the whole point is it would be nice to see them NOT be drones to the religion,to break free of scientology
I've read dianetics, as well as many other things, I'm well aware of it's irrationality and misappropriation of results. As well as it's blanket assertions. I see no difference in it's content nor conduct then many other religious belief systems, our current atmosphere of openness of free-thought is very very recent.
I would like to see all religious folks stop being drones, but the people in this video pose no danger to anyone and are opposing the dangers of the official CoS.
@Harizl this video gives me the impression that it is a fake reformation,it seems like it maybe a way of pulling people in who are suspicious of the church and keep members of the church who have grown disillusioned with it,it would be interesting to see if these people have actualy been able to break with the bullshit teachings or if they went back to the church I have no doubt that this was short lived in the history of $cientology,either was absorbed back into the church or sued into oblivion
You could change the words tech and arc to coke and purity and you get probably more out of this video then the people got out of scientology. Sad really!
Any video is good. This video just shows how genuine people were about Scientology, and how it could have been if DM did not take the good and the bad from LRH and accentuate and propagate the bad and not the good.
Actually quite the opposite, this was the backlash from DM's takeover, LRH was alive but off hiding in the hills on drugs. They were trying to be better then the new DM regime, I have no doubt they were crushed legally.
@Harizl That makes sense too, I had just heard one of them say that what's happening currently in the church is the best thing that's ever happened to Scientology, so that swung me to a misconception I suppose.
@Kubillus There are lots of groupes like these. My aunt was in scientology and now they have their own BS selling thing. A lot of people leave Scientology because they are fasicst not because they have weirde beliefs.
Also it is very hard to return to reason and evidence when you have been brainwashed for so long.
This video has had me captivated for days now. I think my favorite line is "Get the data you need, really find out what's going on, and then you can have your freedom." What does that even mean? LOL! :-) This doc is a fascinating journey into the role linguistics plays in "group think."
betazors 3 weeks ago
David Mayo's speech pattern is so annoying. It's like he smacks his lips or licks them on something -- highly irritating.
betazors 1 month ago
Thanks for posting this. I have good memories of the AAC and it was great to see the familiar faces. The auditing there was professional. For those of us who had spent years on staff at a Scientology organization, it was something like a half-way house for the hyperindoctrinated, or a kind of methadone treatment. Hard to believe that was over twenty-seven years ago.
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It's like what would happen if only the nice people were left in Scientology. I mean, I may think they're kind of kooky, but who could possibly object seriously to this? Opposition to Scientology isn't about beliefs -- it's about the actions of a thoroughly corrupt institution.
bsrober2 2 months ago
It's like what would happen if only the nice people were left in Scientology.
bsrober2 2 months ago
Great Video!
ScientologyWisdom 4 months ago
im only 10 minutes in and they haven't said shit, just a bunch of talking about absolutely nothing
gangstanikes 6 months ago
"The fun is back in Scientology"
O RLY?
irock1839 6 months ago
Only 3 dislikes on this? Interesting...
I sense an agenda...
/watch?v=9RDaZ5_Vx-g
ElectroPaganAnon 7 months ago
I think I've seen some of these people on youtube, xenutv and that sort of thing.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 7 months ago
Winning! you would think Charlie Sheen may have had a few auditing sessions. Reminds me of TM movement.
STEVEDIGIBOYtv 7 months ago
What an amazing find. Thanks so much for posting this!
rabbinero 7 months ago
Oh, the hair! And the porn star moustaches:)
4G3NTanon 8 months ago
@4G3NTanon yea, they are so historical
ajmasouras 7 months ago
these seem to be good people who really care...i bet theyre all altogether out now...
ezmereldagreen 8 months ago
IRL leveling, before the internet
FHomeBrew 8 months ago
What happened to the AAC. I found their former? address:
Advanced Ability Center
Suite 243
1187 Coast Village Rd. #l
Montecito, CA 93108
Phone: (805) 969-3422
And this place is now a UPS store. Anybody know if AAC is still around?
rflanne 8 months ago
@rflanne David Miscavage was running it but now runs $cientology.
ram8704 8 months ago
@ElectroPaganMoron I wasn't aware that Anonymous existed in the 1940's
BannedUfos 8 months ago
they all have the same freaky glazed over eye look. thats messed up son
ColdAsBalls 8 months ago
Excellent to see the states that people are going through on their way out from the cult. Even though not entirely sensible, I would have loved to be around at that time to see everything that was happening back then. One of the greatest lies ever sold? -- at least in the last 50 years or so. I mean their rationalizing a belief system that takes them to OT 3. Holy crap!
Arcadian0769 10 months ago
@Arcadian0769 well... I think people do get something out of the auditing activity at first-it is an interesting way to approach one's psychological backdrop. Unfortunately, Scientology goes in to manipulate and matrix people's minds more and more by framing things in this strange Orwellian Newspeak. It would be great if the actual science could come in and look at all of it more closely. Unlike that 1950ies, science and humanities now have language to acknowledge and describe what happens here.
tomorrowstruth 10 months ago
@tomorrowstruth I reckon that is one of the most intelligent responses I have seen, I just read yesterday exactly something which I think relates to this zegel tape number 3 on xenu tv dot com ( you can scroll down the transcript to the section on LRH around 3 quarter way down. Did you ever experience Scientology yourself?
Arcadian0769 10 months ago
"Fantastic!Fantastic!Sounds good to me!FANTASTIC!"
"my pc's begin blowing things & cogniting,& originating,its like wow..It's the actual absence of things (Im assuming he's refering to logic,sanity,reasoning,etc) that makes it so wonderful here"
"I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind; there was something so pleasant about that place. Even your emotions have an echo in so much space.mmm...Does that make me crazy, doesthatmakemecrazy, does that make me crazy? ProbablEEE."
nowgleaning 10 months ago
Awesome gibberish at 23:20. Too many empty words for hot air.
Fahneng 10 months ago
@Fahneng She's got a really creepy voice too.
singedrac 8 months ago
@singedrac
Yeah, kind of, she could work in a tunnel of horror as voice-over. ;o)
Fahneng 8 months ago
It does seem like a game that is fun to play but revolves around intricately named illusions. But seeing this definitely gives a much better understanding of how pre-Miscavige Scientology worked, what people liked about it. David Mayo has an aura of clarity and calmness around him that's very different from the quasi-aristocratic and militaristic appearances of Miscavige or the Thommy Davis, who always appears as a sleek bank representative. (at 1:00:00 he talks about the breakaway)
tomorrowstruth 10 months ago
I knew Shiona, I had met her same year after she came back from the US, I had stayed with her and her partner in London October 1984 and met her daughter. This makes me wonder, are there any of the AAC staff keeping the spirit of Scientology now? Where is David and Julie Mayo nowadays?
Joaniwass 10 months ago
this is the nicest scientology video.
Zolatour 10 months ago
what are they auditing? this seems so confusing and weird!
achampag 10 months ago
What is interesting to see and hear when you watch this video is how brainwashed they all are. Just look at their their facial expression its like total emptiness like robots. Those who brainwashed them did a great job they have earned a great honour namely to be the owner of a bag filled with dirt.
globe255 10 months ago
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wachnathan 10 months ago
This video is from decades ago. Most of these people have moved on. David Mayo wrote in the mid 1990s that he had not been a Scientologist for some time. He moved on too.
bogglerful 10 months ago
I knew Shiona, she died some years ago of Cancer, God Bless you Shiona x
suz1948 10 months ago
The game laughing boy register has going is taking people for all they are worth while being taken for all he is worth. Good luck to him in the used car business.
FrankMahovlich 10 months ago
These people can probably function in no other place. They are laughing at the wrong parts. They seem like a bunch of zombies and in saying this I by no means mean to insult the good people of Hait or their Voodoo religion. I wonder if they can all levitate ashtrays by now. Excuse me, I have to go puke.
What's your view on regging? My view is that no one would ever become involved in a strange cult unless a high pressure salesman took them into it.
FrankMahovlich 10 months ago
These people can probably function in no other place. They are laughing at the wrong parts. They seem like a bunch of zombies and in saying this I by no means mean to insult the good people of Hait or their Voodoo religion. I wonder if they can all levitate ashtrays by now. Excuse me, I have to go puke.
FrankMahovlich 10 months ago
Notice at 35:01. John Bell with Barbara Eastman. Is that the John Bell that made the arrangements for female PCs to become involved in the Hollywood striptease/sex worker industry, to pay for their Scientology services?
TheAlienKrlll 10 months ago
Isnt he the most aryan person youve ever seen, hed fit in more with 1930's Nazi Germany lol, the prices are very high i.e we want ur money lol, though he is another pawn in the crazy game of religion that makes absolutely no sense. Give up and believe in science not a book or cult.
kenny01622 10 months ago
Never assume there's a limit to human stupidity.
Sandiegoanons 10 months ago
I like how someone was smoking in there lol. even scientologist allowed in door smoking back then .
kingbrandor 10 months ago
Hail lord xenu !
kingbrandor 10 months ago
This was filmed in 1984? How appropriate...
mikethebiped 10 months ago
"very clean and very winning"
lul
TheSpiderMind 10 months ago
37:01
Interviewer: "Anybody else in your family in Scientology?"
John Zegel (smiling): "My wife is a Class 8/Class 8 CS. Of course all of our immediate family are Scientologists. My oldest stepson is in the CoS. He's the CO/CMO INT so we sort of have family members on both sides of the fence."
I: "And can you communicate with your son?"
JZ (still smiling): "Not a word. We haven't heard from him in just about 18 months."
I: "Nothing whatsoever?"
JZ (not smiling so much anymore): "Not a word."
commanderinqueef 10 months ago 4
Zzzzzz......Never have so many words said so little....
Cellgazer 10 months ago
Poor hopeful souls...
LRonScarface 10 months ago
I don't remember everyone in the 80s as having bad hair and porn staches. It must go along with their idiotic belief in the tech.
ChurchOfCylontology 10 months ago 2
@ChurchOfCylontology Then,being on "the tech" makes you have a really BAD taste in fashion? Now that's a good reason for not being a scientologist at all,freezoner or not! I mean,who would want to have that horrible haircut...? (???)
COREarg 10 months ago
@ChurchOfCylontology It was the early 80's so the blight of 70's fashion still hadn't entirely been eradicated.
singedrac 8 months ago
Brain washing at its best
C0mm0nS3ns3 10 months ago 2
WINNING.
burlearth 10 months ago 2
Fantastic.
SamuelHans 10 months ago
WHERE IS DAVID MAYO NOW!!!
MrTwelveoclock 10 months ago
They are a happy bunch.. What about a 'where are they now' episode?
anonmonk 10 months ago 2
@anonmonk inb4"all died of cancer", like it had been lately with any old scientologist.
COREarg 10 months ago
Gee Alan sure has some built up Testosterone....
anonmonk 10 months ago
8.27 watch the advanced hand holding microphone tech..
anonmonk 10 months ago
Do you mind if I sit down with you ? That would be fine. Right thanks. Thank you. I now have received your communication and I resopond with mine. Ok I ve have got that. I have got you too. shell we start our communication cycle now? Yes. Right start.
anonmonk 10 months ago
They all still smoke a lot
anonmonk 10 months ago
Here is the phone and the computer. Right. Thank you. Ive got that. Thanks ok right. thanks I got that. thanks. right thanks ive got that too. Yes. thanks Ive got it now also. right well thanks again and Ive got it. great thanks. ive got that. Ok on that? Yes thanks. Right Ive got that. Got what? What you just said. Oh right. Thanks I now got that. thanks..
anonmonk 10 months ago
"My PC had a great upset and no one would handle her!"
And I thought I had problems.
Superphilipp 10 months ago
brainwashed. it's so stupid.
paintedwarriors 10 months ago
Very sad!
RadioPaul1 10 months ago
7:10-7:33
Says alot to those still inside.
mrgreebly 10 months ago
Mayo was the pioneer.....Now there are independent centers all over the World.
11212312345123456 10 months ago
Shona contact independentsoul regarding John of The Clear Center in LA , about the tapes libbrary , thanks .
indipendendsoul 10 months ago
A fool and his money are easily parted.
RiFFxxx 10 months ago 8
i don't mind stupid people but there is such a thing as a limit, it really pisses me off scientology does
NAPREDATOR 10 months ago
Would this be considered a precursor to the Free Zone?
LeftyBlue 10 months ago
Scientology invented The Game.
Patman128 10 months ago 3
But seriously, this really has the same feeling as Jonestown. Thanks for the post this is so full of bullshitism.
analyzingfunny 10 months ago
@analyzingfunny I knew that I had this feeling before. I just hope it doesn't really end like Jonestown.
COREarg 10 months ago
@COREarg I hope sit does not either..but...These are the same people who were most likely going to kill Jentz in the fake bomb threat they GOT CAUGHT making.
Then you compile the fact that Pope discovered a GIANT tank of propane, and I bet they have MANY tanks. Anyone who read The Anarchist Cookbook can tell you first step in cheap terrorism (what $cientology is) is to use propane bombs with nails attached to it.
The FBI needs to investigate this.
analyzingfunny 10 months ago
Scientology does not poop, therefore they are an android.
everybody poops
analyzingfunny 10 months ago
the "game" = money
Hillsillverr 10 months ago 2
Fucking insane customers. What kind of idiot in the age of the Internet still gives these criminals money? How stupid, gullible, and willfully ignorant does one have to be to fall for the Scientology crime syndicate's frauds and scams these days?
NotSoOldHippy 10 months ago
On tomorrow's episode: "Where are they now?"
AnotherGeneric 10 months ago
from most of the comments I think the point in posting this has been missed,these ppl altho the had left the church are still speaking the same language of "cultspeak",they still speak in the jargon of the dogma,I think this video shows how deeply the level of brainwashing and delusion of granduer of the importance of scientology is imbedded in the persons mind,the interaction between the individuals here is very cold and superficial,watch how they interact closely and its very transparent
fraterlucifer888 10 months ago
"And this is Blake, who operates the computer" lol
murderousrage 10 months ago
What a bunch of useless people. they dont produce nothing they speak useless babble. what a waste of life..............
skyler0248 10 months ago
@skyler0248 - kinda sounds like every other religion we have today
AnotherGeneric 10 months ago
@AnotherGeneric you know it buddie
skyler0248 10 months ago
was that Rick Astley in the background, I mean it was from about the same time in the 80's......never gonna give you up...tra..la..la
angloman1 10 months ago
4:21 She lost "The Game," and she's telling you all about it.
Dakarn 10 months ago
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There is nothing to win and everything to lose when you sign up with Scientology.
H0tkebab 10 months ago 4
The bridge to nowhere...
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago 2
wins? winning? HOLY CRAP Charlie Sheen is a Scientologist
disturbed119 10 months ago
So I take it there was a schism in the cult in the mid-80's and a "protestant" movement began and took root in Santa Barbara.
I keep hearing that L Ron Hubbard(that's "LRH" to the cognoscenti) once said that if you want to really make a lot of money start a religion.
Well the corollary to that is, if you want to start a successful religion, invent a lot of meaningless jargon for your flock to bleat.
What the hell are these sheeple talking about?
oldclown 10 months ago
@oldclown
You were fairly accurate about the 'protestant' part, but it was less about dogmatic-disagreement and purely organizational and procedural disagreement.
Their nomenclature is rather easy to follow if your interest is in the actual issues within and not just the surface sound bytes. This video is actually quite interesting in the history of the religion, I say religion because this video just shows how the official church is the oppressive cult, not purely the subject.
Harizl 10 months ago
@Harizl
Thank you.
I understand that the thrust of the dogma is that spiritual growth is really just accessing a "technology" and your personal development has a seemingly corporate designation as a "case."
And everything else is referred to by initials or acronyms.
Did this splinter group survive?
How far did they get giving bargain prices for what the mother church charged tens of thousands of dollars for?
I admire that they reject concepts like "disconnection."
I think I would be an "SP."
oldclown 10 months ago
@oldclown
This splinter group was dissolved in America due to pressure from the CoS, says Wikipedia.
Their pricing and the fact they existed as an option was the cause of their dissolution by the CoS. When management changed in the 80's the prices changed, it is not as if these things nor the overhead of any sane organization would cost much at all.
Harizl 10 months ago
@Harizl this video gives me the impression that it is a fake reformation,it seems like it maybe a way of pulling people in who are suspicious of the church and keep members of the church who have grown disillusioned with it,it would be interesting to see if these people have actualy been able to break with the bullshit teachings or if they went back to the church I have no doubt that this was short lived in the history of $cientology,either was absorbed back into the church or sued intooblivion
fraterlucifer888 10 months ago
@fraterlucifer888
Maybe you don't understand that people actually get positive things from this stuff.
Similarly to catholic confessional and talk-therapy, the effect it has is pretty much the same, although the therapeutic results may be miss-attributed.
The "bullshit teachings" are just as valid as other religions.
The point of the reformation was genuine, It was to make an organization outside the CoS without the massive overhead and abuses of the organization getting in the way.
Harizl 10 months ago
@Harizl well yes and no, you can get positive effects for the sake of argument from anything depending on your point of view,doing heroin for example or smoking cigarettes gives its consumer what that consumer wants,the teachings of hubbard are pretty standard "im ok youre ok"with spiritual overtones,while Ive read dianetics as a point of study,the bottom line is hubbard was a scam artist and $cientology is his snakeoil,scientology is not a religion its a commodity,contrast jedi could be relgion
fraterlucifer888 10 months ago
@Harizl the point can be taken further to say, does
"religion" itself have real positive things to offer or is religion itself just a tool to control the masses and keep everyone polite,Im not commenting on someones personal spiritual beliefs ,which in that case dianetics can offer someone who needs specific tools that go along with what they already believe to make the life they want,but cults or religions like scientology seem to eventualy lead to abuse,like your example the catholic church
fraterlucifer888 10 months ago
@Harizl the impression that scientologist always seem to give is,tho they are somewhat successful in life at least on the surface,they seem to be very insulated from the world outside of scientology, and it just doesnt give atleast superficialy that they are truly happy and healthy individuals, they are always seeking to buy something unattainable,budhism by contrast would say, what you are seeking is free and youve already attained it, christianity would say what you seek is free and attainable
fraterlucifer888 10 months ago
@fraterlucifer888
Well, Christianity's method is to pay for it non-monitarily but to forget about receiving a delivery, but that's another discussion.
I would say that it is irrelevant, as all 3 groups can be seen as insular and isolated with a self worth all 3 to varying degrees.
The point is that these people wanted to practice their beliefs (religious or otherwise) in a better way and I dont see the point of calling it "bullshit teachings" or comparing the drones of one religion to another.
Harizl 10 months ago
@Harizl well as far as bullshit, have you ever read any of hubbards writings?,the whole idea of xenu being hidden from lower levels and non scions,that scientology actualy encourages lying about this central mythology to its teaching, would qualify as bullshit, as far as comparing the drones of one religion to the other is entirely the point of the way religions work and recruit new members,the whole point is it would be nice to see them NOT be drones to the religion,to break free of scientology
fraterlucifer888 10 months ago
@fraterlucifer888
I've read dianetics, as well as many other things, I'm well aware of it's irrationality and misappropriation of results. As well as it's blanket assertions. I see no difference in it's content nor conduct then many other religious belief systems, our current atmosphere of openness of free-thought is very very recent.
I would like to see all religious folks stop being drones, but the people in this video pose no danger to anyone and are opposing the dangers of the official CoS.
Harizl 10 months ago
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@Harizl this video gives me the impression that it is a fake reformation,it seems like it maybe a way of pulling people in who are suspicious of the church and keep members of the church who have grown disillusioned with it,it would be interesting to see if these people have actualy been able to break with the bullshit teachings or if they went back to the church I have no doubt that this was short lived in the history of $cientology,either was absorbed back into the church or sued into oblivion
fraterlucifer888 10 months ago
The level of stupid is painful and depressing.
goodinohio 10 months ago 43
@goodinohio
The 'level of stupid' of all 72 minutes of various, different people expressing their opinions?
Or the 'level of stupid' of actually ingesting poisoned tobacco and wearing sunglasses indoors?
ElectroPaganAnon 10 months ago
You could change the words tech and arc to coke and purity and you get probably more out of this video then the people got out of scientology. Sad really!
SoggyGibblets 10 months ago
Look at their eyes its totally clear to see they are brainwashed they are in a hypnotic state.
globe255 10 months ago 2
scientology is a load of shit
RSCADDiiCTiON 10 months ago 3
Im done at 40 minutes, this is lunacy. Scary stuff.....
FreedumbFighter28 10 months ago
Dear WBM, your audience has an attention span of 8 minutes. Please post your bids accordingly.
ChrisTripp 10 months ago
@ChrisTripp This is insulting! I watched at least twelve.... :P
Dakarn 10 months ago
Why are you uploading videos from 27 years ago? What is needed is current activism and updated information.
lovepath777 10 months ago
@lovepath777
Any video is good. This video just shows how genuine people were about Scientology, and how it could have been if DM did not take the good and the bad from LRH and accentuate and propagate the bad and not the good.
Harizl 10 months ago
@lovepath777 Some of enjoy historical perspectives. It provides an understanding how some things today came to be the way that they are.
XenuSmurf 10 months ago
This is an early promotional video for the "New David Miscavige Scientology" if I'm not mistaken, trying to make themselves look better than LRH's
ifritto 10 months ago
@ifritto
Actually quite the opposite, this was the backlash from DM's takeover, LRH was alive but off hiding in the hills on drugs. They were trying to be better then the new DM regime, I have no doubt they were crushed legally.
Harizl 10 months ago
@Harizl That makes sense too, I had just heard one of them say that what's happening currently in the church is the best thing that's ever happened to Scientology, so that swung me to a misconception I suppose.
ifritto 10 months ago
@ifritto
The only crazy thing I saw in the video was the salt-and-pepper moustase on the brown-haired guy @ 40:41
lol, he looks like a meth-smoking mr.rogers.
Harizl 10 months ago
Winning.
ifritto 10 months ago
This happened 20 years ago. Typewriter? Really?
ChrisTripp 10 months ago
Great video, but I have to wonder. Why do nobody ask why she wears sunglasses indoors?
Schneboll 10 months ago
@Schneboll CUZ ITS THE 80'S!!!
ShaolinViolin 10 months ago
So these guys left the church to create their own version of Scientology? How big is this group and how come I haven't heard about this?
Kubillus 10 months ago
@Kubillus
If I recall, David M. crushed them through litigation.
It was less of their own version of Scientology, and more a new management of the same process.
Harizl 10 months ago
@Kubillus There are lots of groupes like these. My aunt was in scientology and now they have their own BS selling thing. A lot of people leave Scientology because they are fasicst not because they have weirde beliefs.
Also it is very hard to return to reason and evidence when you have been brainwashed for so long.
reafdaw01 10 months ago
Its so funny to see people smoking!
golden454 10 months ago 2
@golden454 Lots of scientologists were and still are smokers. Elron even recommended smoking cigarettes to prevent lung cancer, lol.
singedrac 8 months ago
35:00 crazy $cientology speak.
heoTheo 10 months ago
the Video Lord Xenu does not want you to see :D
Aanthanur 10 months ago 31