I'm glad to know that info about fair use- thank you! I think you can copyright one line, though - Laura Ingraham said she wished she had before the Dixie Chicks took off with, "Shut up and sing!"
Most copyright owners have given up worrying about YouTube. Infact, many brand managers and marketing people realize now, that allowing infringements on YouTube might actually be good for the sale of products and brand awareness.
This issue is really about implementing a process to protect content creators from unreasonable attacks. But what troubles me most about this case, is we really don't know the REAL reason this happenned. Their is only the reason everyone thinks is the reason.
I see what you mean about the free advertising we give musical artists, movies and TV shows. It seems in the interest of saving money and effort (and, perhaps getting to all the other stuff we want them to...) YouTube has implemented a policy of "guilty until you can prove you're innocent."
I thought so too! Apparently they can - Laura Ingraham really wished she'd copywrited "shut up and sing" but she didn't and the Dixie Chicks took it. According to felinoid, fair use permits a small clip of a larger chunk of copywrited material.
I think what it comes down to is that they can kick all of us off or ban our ID anytime they want. Sometimes I think its just whoever they hired for 8 bucks an hour gets to feeling their oats and clicks the button. That's technology, it cuts both ways.
Hi falconlem, yes, I think it's in the agreement that YouTube can deny service for any reason, but if they do it for no good reason, it actually can make people dislike them and hesitate to join with them. If someone high profile enough had a just grievance, fickle public opinion could turn and they would be excoriated and another company could become the new "YouTube".
Well, Certain lines are copyrighted... which is dumb... but... i guess it can happen. Tho most of the time they dont really care unless your making a large profit from the line. The only thing i can think of is someone had it out for this particular person and went through a lot of work to get them in trouble. And if having stuff like that behind you is infringement...then every video on youtube is infringement and this site would be illegal... *sigh* What do do about it... i'm at a loss...
Hi aj, yes it's hard to know right now exactly what happened with SeanBedlam, but it's obvious this system is too easily manipulated by haters. With the sheer volume of videos, you're right that the copyright owners don't probably care unless a violation's blatant or you're making money off their stuff. I wasn't able to reply to your message, but I did get the request about honor killings and am thinking about it.
This is made private for so many reasons -I've fought off the "creeping crud" going around here while being sleep deprived and wonder if I made any sense.(That's an invitation for haters!) I wonder if extensive quoting from the movie, though acknowledging the movie, is violating copyright. And I didn't like the thumbnail pic it chose...I'll just make it public...
Hey, gimmeabreakman here. Actually, after I put up that video I had this exact same idea. What if someone completely rips off (either by accident or on purpose) another person. Then what? So maybe there is nothing that can be done?.... Either way, it still leaves open the door for abuse. Haters can definitely abuse the system. Shame. One user suggested making the sign up process harder.
That seems like a possible solution! What do you think?
Hey, gimmeabreakman. It may be possible Sean technically, if unknowingly, is guilty. If so, many of us could be! And this is too easily abused by haters. Making the sign up process harder could help. It would also help to enforce penalties for "filing a false complaint".
Fair use permits using a small clip of copyright material. One line out of a movie falls under fair use. Also you can't copyright one line.
The "How often people run a fowl of the law" thing is the movie writers opinion and I think it's untrue.
felinoid 4 years ago
I'm glad to know that info about fair use- thank you! I think you can copyright one line, though - Laura Ingraham said she wished she had before the Dixie Chicks took off with, "Shut up and sing!"
ButterZoned 4 years ago
Most copyright owners have given up worrying about YouTube. Infact, many brand managers and marketing people realize now, that allowing infringements on YouTube might actually be good for the sale of products and brand awareness.
This issue is really about implementing a process to protect content creators from unreasonable attacks. But what troubles me most about this case, is we really don't know the REAL reason this happenned. Their is only the reason everyone thinks is the reason.
trgoblin 4 years ago
I see what you mean about the free advertising we give musical artists, movies and TV shows. It seems in the interest of saving money and effort (and, perhaps getting to all the other stuff we want them to...) YouTube has implemented a policy of "guilty until you can prove you're innocent."
ButterZoned 4 years ago
It would be hard to believe and incredibly disappointing to think that repeating a line could be subjected to copyright infringement.
vitalfinds 4 years ago
I thought so too! Apparently they can - Laura Ingraham really wished she'd copywrited "shut up and sing" but she didn't and the Dixie Chicks took it. According to felinoid, fair use permits a small clip of a larger chunk of copywrited material.
ButterZoned 4 years ago
I think what it comes down to is that they can kick all of us off or ban our ID anytime they want. Sometimes I think its just whoever they hired for 8 bucks an hour gets to feeling their oats and clicks the button. That's technology, it cuts both ways.
falconlem 4 years ago
Hi falconlem, yes, I think it's in the agreement that YouTube can deny service for any reason, but if they do it for no good reason, it actually can make people dislike them and hesitate to join with them. If someone high profile enough had a just grievance, fickle public opinion could turn and they would be excoriated and another company could become the new "YouTube".
ButterZoned 4 years ago
Yes, but without a Google to back them .. how fast could that happen. ?
falconlem 4 years ago
Well, Certain lines are copyrighted... which is dumb... but... i guess it can happen. Tho most of the time they dont really care unless your making a large profit from the line. The only thing i can think of is someone had it out for this particular person and went through a lot of work to get them in trouble. And if having stuff like that behind you is infringement...then every video on youtube is infringement and this site would be illegal... *sigh* What do do about it... i'm at a loss...
ajofbeth2 4 years ago
Hi aj, yes it's hard to know right now exactly what happened with SeanBedlam, but it's obvious this system is too easily manipulated by haters. With the sheer volume of videos, you're right that the copyright owners don't probably care unless a violation's blatant or you're making money off their stuff. I wasn't able to reply to your message, but I did get the request about honor killings and am thinking about it.
ButterZoned 4 years ago
BTW, why is this private?
ActionTeacher 4 years ago
This is made private for so many reasons -I've fought off the "creeping crud" going around here while being sleep deprived and wonder if I made any sense.(That's an invitation for haters!) I wonder if extensive quoting from the movie, though acknowledging the movie, is violating copyright. And I didn't like the thumbnail pic it chose...I'll just make it public...
ButterZoned 4 years ago
Hey, gimmeabreakman here. Actually, after I put up that video I had this exact same idea. What if someone completely rips off (either by accident or on purpose) another person. Then what? So maybe there is nothing that can be done?.... Either way, it still leaves open the door for abuse. Haters can definitely abuse the system. Shame. One user suggested making the sign up process harder.
That seems like a possible solution! What do you think?
ActionTeacher 4 years ago
Hey, gimmeabreakman. It may be possible Sean technically, if unknowingly, is guilty. If so, many of us could be! And this is too easily abused by haters. Making the sign up process harder could help. It would also help to enforce penalties for "filing a false complaint".
ButterZoned 4 years ago