Ken Wilber - Love Until it Hurts

[Neuromance27]

I care less and less for what he says, but his hand gestures have me coming back for more.

[tabacblonde]

There is no such thing as "enlightenment". When are ppl gonna get this? Who is the arbiter of this socalled "state" anyway? The one claiming to have it?

The concept of "enlightenment" is just another egocentric authoritarian power trip that judges, separates, makes the misfortunate unenlightened the "OTHER" and thereby sets the "other" into a position to be maligned, denigrated, marginalized, ad infinitum........

The great truth is we are all nobody Step out of the game and own it. FREEDOM!

[smallpotatoes989]

ken is probably one of the most knowing people in the planet.

[smallpotatoes989]

this guy is 62. I thought he was like 40 or something!

[Entropy56]

Speaking of licking and sucking wounds... it looks like a lot of women there would be willing to suck off Ken Wilber.

[jhgosnell]

IF that is going on, then I basically agree...one basic problem for integral is that a lot of integral is really a hyped up orange-rational or green-pluralistic? I think so...as such, one way to say it is that they did not integrate a healthy blue...which has a moral code to it. And, even healthy orange has an ethical requirement in order to be healthy...doctors and therapists have a kind of modern science ethical code with patients. They have to search out where they are stuck...as we all do!

[jhgosnell]

Buddhists are also "broken" as are Christians...some of the best teachers were/are broken. Hard to assess things in this way. Start with brokenness, then work from there maybe.

[claudelebel55]

Amritanandamayi Ma does this kissing of wound even today. In a documentary I saw, she actually licks the wounds of a lepper.

[hilby]

bullshit. you can't split INDIVIDUALS up into men being totally one way and women being totally the other.

[jotjotzZz]

This did not answer anything for me, it feels empty and incomplete.

[wyominghusker]

Listening to Mr. Wilber hurts.

[jhgosnell]

the benefits of wilber is that he gives you a map...this helps so much.

[Nakedprayer]

I actually like Ken & surely Mother Theresa rendered some deep Service but so often Ken talks such utter Nonsense like Holy Anorexia and much like that and I just wanted to point out some direct alternatives because if One wouldnt be interested in Evolution of Consciousness why would one listen to Ken ? But when this is Ones Goal, why not directly to some far more advanced Master or studying 1000s of Documentaries of People who REALLY have been there where Religion or Ken just talk about ;-))) ?

[Nakedprayer]

For those who want to witness a truly godrealized Master still alive on the real Avatar Level search here at Youtube Hamsa Yogi and You will see the difference and in case You have the Chance to see him in the US RUSH there as You wont ever forget it, it must be experienced before it could ever be believed as that is the tremendous Experience of talking about the Divine (Ken) and BEING the Divine (Hamsa Yogi) and being furthermore even able to induce Cosmic Consciousness instantly in somebody.

[Nakedprayer]

OWN EXPERIENCE & KNOWLEDGE, so of course without that one can only theorize & speculate in a kind of Mindfuck. This is of course okay & legitimate but it should be at least called correctly for what it is and that People following Wilber just dont confuse his THEORIES with the REALITY of GODSource and that there are Masters of ConsciousnessLevels FAR beyond Kens so they know that this is just an intermediary Level of Spiritual Evolution with much much more beyond it so they dont get stuck there.

[Nakedprayer]

have not reached his "state of Enlightenment" are allowed to have the same 1 Vote during Elections as he has and thus vote for Destruction due to their unenlightened Mind when he here stresses how utmost important it would be to love everything in the Universe Equally. Ken is in many Cases completely selfcontradicting and the greatest Blessing for him indeed would surely be a NDE to finally KNOW, he is what the REALLY enlightened yogic Masters call a speculative Philosopher WITHOUT the true real

[Nakedprayer]

Life and could have done the same Service she surely did WITHOUT all her utmost Torment, much more empowered and could have given far more Answers to all those that Admired her and inspired much much more People by Service in Bliss.True Love is Extension of SELFLove and not SelfSacrifice. The Rockbottom was hit with the Term "Holy Anorexia" with Wilber now mystifying utmost unloving, helpless Selfdestruction as "Divine Expression" while at the same Time he is troubled by the fact that Masses who

[Nakedprayer]

and NEVER will be able to do. For how could a Lie explain the Truth ? Therefore I can only URGE Anybody who REALLY wants to know the Truth to google Near Death Research nderf.org for many 1000s of real Encounters with GodSource to really KNOW the SPIRITUAL TRUTH & not waste ANY time for all this distorted religious deceptions & speculations as it WILL pay of MILLIONS times MORE for YOU. If Mother Theresa had EVER KNOWN the answers that You WILL find there she could have had an ENDLESSLY HAPPIER

[Nakedprayer]

dishonest distortion (and Mother Theresa with her diary the perfect Proof of it) to ever associate deepest Selfabuse with "Enlightenment". If Kens THEORY would be true, why wasnt Theresa ever really happy ? BECAUSE SHE DID NOT Know Godsource but was basically destroyed by her catholic BeLIEfs. All the Questions she screamed out to Godsource in utmost decadelong Torment I and many 1000s of other NearDeathers could have answered her with EASE and utmost Logic, what the LIEs of Catholicism COULDNT

[Nakedprayer]

(as a gift after my own NDE) Mother Theresa was UTMOST sad when she recognized her tremendous Error and that she actually mislead many to the same distorted religious Selfabuse. So Osho was very right about her and advocating Selfabuse as "Love" is not at all helpful to lead People to a very practical, applicable Spirituality. I can heal & love 1000s throughout a Lifetime WITHOUT abusing myself and as soon as I notice such Selfabuse I have to stop & practice: Healer heal THYSELF.Its really ONLY

[Nakedprayer]

of REAL LOVE as he should know much much better if he really had TRUE SPIRITUAL Understanding he would never advocate/mystify depest SelfAbuse as an Example of Divinity or Love. Its just supporting this total religious Bigotry that is very impractical and its clear from that that Ken NEVER had a true OWN Encounter with Godsource like in a NDE otherwise he would NOT use tormented Selfabusers as Examples for Divine Love. I can track every Being, incarnated or discarnated and their Resonance and

[Nakedprayer]

Mother Theresa was a terribly tormented Person who was abused by her own Catholic BeLIEfs and it surely is NOT a good Example of true Integration and we should stop the utmost Bigotry of Mystifying such a Person as Shining Example for if we do TRULY think that WHY are there not BILLIONS of Mother Theresas in the World ? Its the same deceptive Projection when "Christians" claim to "Love" Jesus yet hardly LIVING ANY of it. Disappointing that Ken is not exposing Martyrdom for its utmost Distortion

[artistickone]

whos to say men invented meditation? thats really an unfounded fact. There are and have been many female mystics. The goddess cult was in existence, far long than christianity

[monsieurhassan]

Nobody invented meditation, everybody does it . .. you do it when you drift away in your thoughts in the company of boring people, . . . or when you go to bed, right before you go to sleep, . . . or when you get up in the morning , or right after you're finished watching a movie, . .. everybody does it, its intrinsic, . .. its just that some people take it to extremes.

[ismellaconman]

keep going guys! you'll be enlightened soon! you can save us all! hurry up!

[Fryitonapanandstuff]

Ken says what Jesus did, except in his own words.

[5tranger]

he looks like mr clean :D

[AnandaShake]

i would be supercool if ppl that upload videos in english put subtitles, on english, ... you know it could be for deaf ppl, and its easy to understand for ppl that doesnt hear english easyly

[GovernorSid]

Many words, no substance.

[MaBu888]

Banality and brevity of comment detected.

[MaBu888]

Most of what he says is true in my experience. By not mentioning the 'exceptions' to the 'rules' (he doesn't mean to say absolute statements) he doesn't discount views. Opposition is an illusion.

[rogkeista]

Why indeed

[rogkeista]

Wilbur is a fraud. His followers are sad suckers and lost souls. Appalling scenario.

[Cadmusproject]

why?

[TheOriginalEntz]

They stared at walls because their brain chemistry was altered. Improving the brain chemistry is a different path it is much fuller and does not detract you from meditating while the brain chemistry is not altered it only improves your understanding. Chemicals are the missing ingredient to Yoga. It ensures you don't stray off the path.

[AnonymousQuarks]

Kevin is another rented possesed body of a being of light, a deceitful lier who wants to condemned people just like he already is, he is a tool of the ascended masters or negative beings in a disguise of pure light beings, its your decition to fall or not fall on his trapt.

[wakojack]

You should start by learning to write english then read more about your faith before judging the faith of others. Your views are totally biased by some I guess, baptist dogma mumbo jumbo.

[MaBu888]

Same at you. Same vibrations.

[FeelOfFriction]

@AnonymousQuarks

Check into the local loony bin.

[ThePaintermanful]

We haven't discovered yet the true nature of love, because it exists on subtler level of our beings. In every case, it deals with our astral body. We feel attraction with persons whom we already knew in our previous lives - through our subtle astral body, that's the way how karmic bonds are renewed in this life. What in love gets really "stuck" is our astral body, that is, strongest points of touch, which are e.g. Sun-Moon, Venus-Mars and others. On transpersonal level, it's the energy of Neptun

[greenrate]

You know . . . I'm more and more coming around to the idea that this "teacher" paradigm (as demonstrated here) is just a kind of bad news.

If Ken Wilber (or whoever it may be) is such a great guy . . . why doesn't he just concentrate on being great with one other person? Forget the lecturing and the book-writing and all that kind of stuff.

What? Not enough of a challenge for him? Just one-on-one with another human being?

If you think about it . . . that simply can't be true.

[1PostPoMoMaN1]

Ken Wilber hasn't had unsuccesful marital relationships as of yet. :) Currently he is married (third time), and has a lot of friends. His second wife is one of his best friends, who is now married to the local (state of Colorado) singer/artist Stuart Davis. His (Wilber's) first wife is also his good friend. His second wife,unfortunately fell victim to breast cancer,based on which he wrote a long book detailing their 5 year ordeal. Yet I disagree with some of Wilber's theories, but not much.

[ierogamos]

this is the problem of umanity

[1nessism]

yes

[ierogamos]

:-)

beautiul day,my friend Wally!

[1nessism]

pat! sorella cara, buongiorno!

:^)

[CloudshadowMan1]

Male spirituality could tend to look like not caring. The notion of female loving spirituality on the subtle and causal level sounds interesting. Peace and contentment to all beings.

[anarchonism]

The first girl is embarrassingly dim-witted

[Thecultofsia]

The man is brilliant.

[1PostPoMoMaN1]

Just is.

[hyperseauton]

I haven't noticed your comments on Diane Hamilton clips. You might be interested in female integral experiences of her incarnation. :)

[1PostPoMoMaN1]

I will check Diane Hamilton videos as soon as possible and comment.

[xxXghislainXxx]

Mother Theresa of Calcutta was a tool for the Roman Catholic Church, (Vatican)

[AnandaShake]

why

[claudelebel55]

the measure of a man is his unflappability -  but this comes not from hardening and defending against painful thoughts, emotions and experiences but by being willing to experience it all.

Seems to me that this is not so different from the 'love until it hurts' approach which Ken describes as the feminine approach.

[greenrate]

@claudelebel55

The realized Masculine emphasizes manifestation of The-One-in-the-Many.

The realized Feminine emphasizes manifestation of The-Many-in-the-One.

They both have realized the One . . . and both have realized the Many. But their tendency to manifest either is different -- and complementary.

The difference is rooted in different innate neuro-physiological capacities: Women are inclined to multiply thoughts, emotions, and experiences . . . and Men to unify them.

[torment3d]

@claudelebel55 that's exactly right, it's not very different at all. The difference is only in the practice.

[abcchoice37]

What is the ultimate purpose of this study? What is it that we seek... or feel that we lack and in turn so desperately seek. Complexity in education seems to go full circle and take you back to where you started... the thoughtless state of a child.

[cacaolover]

The irony is that people will put them through massive amounts of suffering thinking that they will eventually reach some cloud of bliss when everything will be hunky dory is just not true.

[kayumochi]

Reading some of these comments makes me want cry: Ken has created an "integral" map of the universe, something that has never been done before and with AQAL and ILP this map can be applied to our daily lives.

[12many2c]

HEY! i got something for her to hold and touch!!! unlike that bald fag...

[marsinpisces]

a.k.a. responsible, loving mothering.

[trpunu]

i love this man

[MaBu888]

That is interesting. The views that he ascribes to, don't see a reason for such actions, therefore these were just changing opinions. I'd have to say he doesn't think homosexuality is unreal. He seems to be in difficulty in using the types model (as in male and female psychology types) to be applied to homosexuality, because there is more to sexual typse, beyond just femininity or masculinity. So... what did he think was 'unreal'?

[MaBu888]

I'm interested of examples about Ken Wilber hating gay people.

[MaBu888]

Rumors, much?

[MaBu888]

What?

[QueerLiberation]

Oh yah,  I know what loving until it hurts feels like.

[mogli702]

Look what you can buy on Ken's website!

"Integral Life Practice Starter Kit

The Integral Life Practice Starter Kit presents the simplest, most effective practice that you can do to wake up. Some have even mistaken its straightforward audio and video instruction as enlightenment-in-a-box!"

Holy shit, that is shameless. All I have to say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHA

[Imperativism]

Actually, you're conveniently overlooking a critical word: "mistaken" -i.e., Ken's acknowledgment that it's NOT enlightenment in a box.

Sharpen your reading comprehension.

[mogli702]

I actually didn't overlook it, but thanks for pointing that out: I know he wouldn't CALL it enlightenment-in-a-box, but in the context he's still using that to sell the product!! Do you disagree? The previous sentence supports my point that he loves the fact that people "mistake" it for that: "the simplest, most effective practice that you can do to wake up." This is absolutely ridiculous. If you could buy your way into heaven this would be a very different world.

[kayumochi]

I own the ILP Starter KIt. It does in fact contain an effective practice that can help you wake up. What does all this have to do with buying your way into heaven? The KIt has been rendered slightly out dated with the publication on Integral Life Practice but the DVDs on Genpo Roshi's Big Mind, along with the 3 Body Workout are outstanding. The 3-2-1 Shadow Module can be done without the DVD but I am grateful for its inclusion and I recommend the Kit to anyone just getting started with ILP.

[mogli702]

So maybe it is somehow improving your quality of life, but that has absolutely nothing to do with truth, or what you call "waking up". But if it makes you feel good, knock yourself out.

[kayumochi]

I am curious as why you expend so much energy attacking something you clearly not familiar with.

[mogli702]

Um... if some of the comments made you "want cry", why is that? Is it because you might have an emotional attachment to something you desperately want to believe in? I'm just asking.

[mikeneko530]

Honestly, if you were familiar with Integral Theory at all you wouldn't have made the comments you have and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Integral Theory isn't something to "believe in," nor is it "truth." Integral Theory is a map. And as Wilber often says, a map is not the territory. Integral Theory is now being taught in universities, is being applied in big business and non-profits alike and has even made its way into medicine.

[kayumochi]

Well said. Integral is a map that includes not only the physical cosmos as well and realms of consciousness and spirit. I would imagine that one viewing the random Ken Wilber video may get the wrong idea ....

[mogli702]

Everybody in the audience should have been aghast at that comment he made about the guys in the front row!

He mentions Mother Teresa twice. As a positive thing. A lot of people do this without realizing that MT was quite possibly the most ANTI-WOMAN any prominent female social activist has ever been! Completely against womens' reproductive rights.

And I have tried to read him. But his writing is so pretentious that I literally feel nauseous. He is selling something he doesn't have.

[gabrillkillit]

mother Teresa gave her life for others, say what ever you want, but in the end she gave her entire life to help others... if you think a person that´s able to express such unconditional love to the needed is still a bad example of a good person then your opinion should not be taken seriously. I think your problem is that you have a strong hate for anything related to the catholic church. peace

[zarglox]

@gabrillkillit read "mother teresa: the missionary position"

[GeistWerk]

@gabrillkillit osho was asked what he thinks about mother teresa. he said "it is time for her to jump into a lake"

also, read some things that christopher hitchens wrote about her.

[spectrumfrequency]

music and emotion

[jacob12700]

This guy cannot be faulted. Can you fault a foundation of emptiness, or can you fault he who is reading this? Look at it!!

[justplayman]

1. This is another form of the Law of Moses.

2. Trying to love our neighbor as ourself.

3. The Law of Moses describes "trying to be like God"

4. No one can be like God.

5. Trying to attain unto perfection is the road to death

6. Jesus confronted the Pharisees about their false obedience to the Law of Moses. *****SARCASM*****

7. He challenged them to love in a way that can't be done.

[arsewipe24]

this guy gives me the creeps.i'm sure some girls love him and want him to be their guru

[professorweegie]

what a big pile of steaming shit! all he really cares about is shagging some of the ladies in the audience,or selling his WANK book!

[stratumct]

your words speak YOUR truth..

[psstheyyou]

Sniffy Wilber says that "kissing a leper is a good test." Of what? A test for what type of leprosy? (see medicine) A test for the kisser's insanity? What if the leper doesn't want to kiss you back, Sniffy? What if the leper wants to be kissed by someone else? (like another leper) Or what if the last person on earth a leper wants to be kissed by is Sniffy Wilber? I guess if Sniffy says that kissing a leper is a good test, he means it. Ok. Let's put it to the test. After YOU, Sniffy. :)

[Throughthetruth]

What¡¡???

[Sectorsophia]

Equinimity(sp) sounds maladaptive.

[jamierourketen]

i'm a woman,i want to hold something,i want to touch something!

[1unusedname]

You can hold and touch my penis.ZING!

[1unusedname]

Hey you have to admit she set herself up for a comment like that.

[caveymoley]

...to a state of oneness and good, people would rather live in a good world right? although compared to the whole the individual is insignificant but the whole couldnt evolve without the individual, we the individuals are learning how not to be through trial and error. a bit like you learn not to play with matches because you burn yourself, humanity as a whole needs individuals in order to learn and evolve and be a race of loving compationate humble and honnest people.

[caveymoley]

heres an idea for you, imagine a red block this block is humanity as a whole, now zoom in slightly and see billions of dots that make up the whole, these dots are individuals, now the comunication and reproduction between these dots allows the whole to expand, due to the interactions of hundreds of individuals the form of the whole changes, humanity as a whole is steadily learning right from wrong good from bad, even down to things like materialism. eventualy humanity as a whole will evolve...

[salvadorsalvona]

look at the mesmirised look on his young followers,remind you of a little austrian from the 1930s?

[1unusedname]

Oh yes.I fondly remember the footage of Hitler and his acolytes,calmly discussing nazi philosophy,and having laid back Q&A sessions...

[dianeticstu]

are you guys seriously thinking he is the next Hitler?

[1unusedname]

Dude,I was obviously(to better informed people at least)making a joke.When has anyone ever seen footage of Hitler in a similar situation as this video??

[dianeticstu]

oic now that you were joking (i didn't read the whole comment, but i am well informed enough to get that.) But I do think the first guy is serious

[startripping]

GOD this guy is an ass. He apparently possesses great insights into female stereotypes of the middle ages.

I wouldn't follow this guy out of a burning building.

[slvrspc66]

this question of female mysticism is a good one. anybody got more resources on this?

[jaguarnoelle]

You know I'm nothing like satisfied with his answer. "Holy anorexia"? Um not so much.

I'm thinking David Deida might have a better answer. Although I really think it would be better to ask a dakini or yogini.

[lovesarita]

my understanding is Mother Teresa WASN'T enlightened, and the church wanted to repress her private letters which exposed her desire of yet lack of direct experience of God... and where she said, If she'd known where it would all end up, she would have left the first child on the street.

Christianity confuses suffering and sacrifice with love and Wilber tends to do the same.

In reality, as Osho and Jeshua have both said, If it hurts, it ISN'T love. Attachments, needs, concepts hurt... not love.

[jahray]

instantly i thought of the life and work of Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz

interesting question -- one that is answered in New Orleans with greater ease

possibly... ;p

ahhhhhhhhh

root chakra

[Satori1800]

thanks for great video:)

[rmaltbie1]

I like all the mystical—mythical—aspects of your videos that I receive from David Roel, mostly interviewing the Rabbi. But they somehow don't transcend the pathological roots of their own iconic wisdom as an 'irony' unto themselves in the compelling way Joseph Campbell explains in must of his work and particularly in HERO WITH A THOUSAND FACES. Or on video, in the Bill Moyers interview with Compbell that is very complete--love your INTELLECT! Keep the faith.

PC 2u

[devarsi]

Please read all my last 4 posts as one. This is N04

How far can we enumerate the infinite variety of Sri Krsna's qualities such as these? They contradict each other, and yet they are eternally and beautifully present without opposition or conflict in His svarupa (form), His abode, and in the various paraphernalia related to Him. This is the inconceivable nature of His sakti.

[startripping]

I love these spiritual battles! You two are entertaining as hell!!

[devarsi]

These are important subjects,life is meant 4 self realization. First we have to know what the self is, then inquire about how to realize it. I dont agree that everything is one only and that makes it two already.You see individuality is present everywhere and so r qualities like mercy and love which r personal and individual, but our mercy & love is limited and conditioned, we r struggling with our minds, our bodies and senses,relationships egos,taxman,the law eg and think we r God amazing huu?

[devarsi]

Similarly, at one and the same time, He possesses all qualities (savisesa), and yet He has no qualities (nirvisesa); He is acintya (inconceivable), and full of rasa; He is both limited and limitless; He is very far away, and very close by; He is unaffected (nirvikara), and yet He is afraid of the mana (sulking mood or apparent anger) of the gopis.

[devarsi]

Even though Sri Krsna has the most beautiful form (rupa), He is formless (arupa); He has a transcendental murti (form), but He is present everywhere; He is always active, and yet, being unaffected, He performs no karma; He is the son of Nanda Maharaja, although He is unborn; He is simply a cowherd boy, although He is worshipped by all others; and He has a human-like form and bhava, although He is omniscient.

[devarsi]

These topics can be understood in isolation from each other, but their relationships are inconceivable. In the material world, because opposite qualities have the inherent tendency to annihilate each other, principles that are mutually opposed cannot be present together at the same place. However, Sri Krsna's sakti has such inconceivable power that in the spiritual world it manifests all the mutually opposing qualities together at the same time and in a very wonderful and beautiful manner.

[SticksTweeks]

Thank you Ken for coming out....I respect you for this. (no-one will ever understand what you are doing)

[cinnamonpony]

Mushrooms would solve that womans problems.

[Joebojax]

that might be true hahah.. i wanna feel those kinda effects without using the drugs tho... know what i mean.. i wanna feel the euphoria of LSD without harming myself

[JNdigital]

mushrooms and LSD are along the same lines; however, shrooms are more of a 'natural' experience. One could even say less intense (but a compelling and real 'mystical' experience), consuming a small amount is probably the right way to start out. But, none the less I hear what you're saying......btw although I haven't experimented with LSD that often, I'm much more of an advocate for good pyslocybin mushrooms.

[devarsi]

we cant possible be one,In fact we can not even see beyond the four walls we are sitting in. One-ness is a nice illusion. If everything is one, you should have known that before someone came and installed this idea inside you, not after. Oh yeah now you told me,i am one whith everything, I am God. Its like saying "I am Napoleon" But hey! if you are one with everything then you must be also Napoleon, so lets get the man in white jackets

[azulra]

Wow . Common sense is uncommon devarsi. Thanks. I'm finding this new Advaita stuff so unreal. In theory yes , maybe -but it seems that rather than having a simple experience of love/compassion through sincere and earnest letting go , many people just think you learn to say all the right things and it becomes true.

[devarsi]

hey just read your comment, thanks.see some of my videos about oneness. They think they r one with everything, some think I am you and you are me, others think we r all god, its a mad world out there. They can not explain individuality, if all is one how come everyone feels individual? that experience should not even exist if all is one, so they cover it u with flowery lofty language

[sjatkins]

Words ore utterly empty. If you have had a glimpse of the Union or Oneness state, not as idea or mind trip but as experience, then you know utterly that it is not an installed idea. The small experience I have had (small indeed) was quite different than anything I had imagined by hearing such an idea. If you haven't experienced such yet I know this probably doesn't help much.

[devarsi]

Oneness experience is temporary,because u can not stay there and only memory remains.The absolute truth has to be both,a person as well as energy,otherwise it can not becalled absolute.Wer 1 with god in quality,but not in quantity, He is big & we r small, we r small individual particles of consciousness experiencing ourselves within Gods all pervading super consciousness hence our individuality experience.The mistake is to think that we r the all pervading energy surrounding us.create an egg :-)

[ddj333]

What you refer to is "omnipotence", or unlimited power, not "Oneness". Oneness does not imply that you know everything that every other separate individual knows in the relative world. That's just remaining separate and knowing everything.

[devarsi]

explain how the oneness became individual , its obviously not an illusion,everyone experiences separate individualconsciousness, even those who think they are one are individual. If all is one individuality and diversity eg should not even exist. Explain the quality of mercy and compassion, which are personal. After Your experience you still remained an individual and u still r.One can not have a separate experience if all is one.If your god create an egg just like that :-)

[RatatRatR]

"I'm just owning my self-consciousness"--the kind of talk that makes it hard for me to endure gatherings like this one

[devarsi]

Everything is one? Really? So dont wear a coat in the winter,you will be warm, dont eat or eat sand, if its all one you should not be cold, sand will be tasty and the 5 minutes you may lack when you very very urgently have to go, make no difference at all. So I dont agree and that makes us two. HA!

[axiomatic666]

you misunderstand. the black and white the wrong and right and the up and down are all part of our one perception. There is only one. We are all part of the one equation of God. there is no god making things happen because god is the things happening. One god and we fit in that equation.

[devarsi]

We fit well into this equation? ok so if you are god then do something godlike, but you cant, you cant even stop going to the toilet, what to speak of creating a planet or a universe. If everything is one, then explain diversity and especially individuality. So I dont agree this makes it two already.

The real concept is: everything is inconceivably one and different in the same time. The one who is one, is God, but we are parts within.

[axiomatic666]

Yeah we are parts of God. God isn't a noun some big bearded man in the sky. god is a verb. not a noun. Our diversity isn't seperate from God. Hey no debate I think we see eye to eye. We are all one and different at the same time I agree with that. A mystic doesn't look for god he or she swims in the atmosphere of God. PEACE>>>

[MrSigma]

If you are genuinely interested then read about 'Advaita' to better understand what he is saying.

[RatatRatR]

there's an old buddhist statement that an enlightened man would eat as readily from a plate of shit and a glass of piss as from a buffet platter and glass of wine

[devarsi]

nothing enlightened about that, i would call it totally ignorant. The real saying ought to be is that one who is enlightened sees no difference between these things, knowing they come from the same elements, but he certainly would not eat shit.

[azulra]

Once again , common sense from you devarsi LOL

[gillumine]

very insightful Ken..thank you

[Winter077]

He is kind of creepy and his audiance looks like the type that would jump off a bridge if he told them to.

[axiomatic666]

No he isn't. He is a philosopher. Read his books before you form an opinion. don't be a silly dum dum. lol...

[jowonder]

Thank you for addressing the paradox of global warming and enlightenment and fun with a capital F becasue fun is the key. Wish we could all be more fun becasue when we laugh we understand paradoxes. I am always be wary of the sombre and the serious your humour reflects your insight.

Me kissing wounds and it does hurt ha ha

[kjholton]

I am surprised so many do not feel men and women express and understand the same concepts in different ways. Compare Zen (cold climate) to Hindu practices (warm climate). Zen tends to be more sterile, less colorful than Hinduism, but they both aim for the same goal. I don't think the point was women cannot reach the same state as men by staring at a wall, but that more women would choose a different practice, perhaps one more colorful.

[devarsi]

actually they done look for the same goal. Zen is impersonal as far as I know, meaning they dont believe in God. Hinduism is personal they believe in Krishna as fountain head of all other minor gods which handle the affairs of the universe.

[MrSigma]

Your entirely wrong on this one! There are 6 branches of Hindu philosophy, one of which is Vedanta (one of the other branches is vaisheshika =agnosticism). Vedanta has further 6 categories viz Advaita(non-duality), Dvaita(duality), VishishtaAdvaita (a particualr type of non-duality) and Achintya BhedaBhava are the popular 4. Only those who beilieve in Achintya Bhedabhav consider Krishna as the fountainhead. So please do your research before posting irresponsible comments.

[hillarymary]

rumi has a poem.. about kissing a serpent

[jaguarnoelle]

I've always wondered these same questions myself. I can't say that this answered it for me, but at least it did try.

[Lotusmita]

This unflappable wall is a gender stereotype and that image or expectation that women stay loving to rescue fallen men is also a stereotype. Buddha talked about four immeasurables or four sublime states that is not gender-bound. Equanimity is always to be sustained by unbounded love, compassion and joy, so that 8 hours unflappability is OK for taming your mind, dangereous for real world relationships and situations.

[joeyroo1]

What a Day Tripper, go down to Strawberry Fields and see Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

How about a Magical Mystery Tour, you up for that?

[adnor1946]

he is seeing, feeling and expressing where he is and what he thinks he is by projecting these onto the universe. It is his "stuff" nothing more, nothing less.

[macrina9]

the measure of any person is their centeredness,...the ability to hold a space as a result of the practice of meditation has nothing to do with gender...then what does homosexual enlightenment look like...or transgender enlightenment. sorry ken.you missed the best answer.

[macrina9]

ken drops the ball on this one...to label enlightenment as buddhist or pagan, male or female is then not enlightenment which transcends all these pie slicing modes.not his best response...

[DancingSpiderman]

I didn't hear him say what you mentioned.

Just my opinion -- I'm just sayin'.

[macrina9]

all persons who meditate ultimately achieve both states of equinimity and states of loving till it hurts...sex has nothing to do with it....saddhus are traditionally male and anorexic and st francis loved until it hurt (stigmata)

[kayngela]

i think he wears those glasses that shade automatically depending on the light in the room. i imagine florescent lights really affect them. ken wilber is one of the greatest intellectuals of our time. that doesn't mean he is enlightened. if you see his ego, kiss it, just like the wounds of a leper.

[CRAIG68D]

wow thats a good comment

[Axveys]

the guy takes a while to get plugged into but once you're there it's a frickin awesome trip. He really provides a framework to work with different people at different levels and types. Kick ass.

[candyspender]

I guess with us all questioning gender so deeply, one would have to ask whether its possible to swap roles from time-to-time.

In knowing these basic male/female differences hopefully we can transcend.

[mattanjakats]

Does anybody know why he always wears shades?

[malthust]

Half brilliant, half mush. And silly Boulderites don't know the difference anyway :)

[MayaAllalie]

thank you

[gnulebin]

i cannot tell what is it that i don't buy about this man.

[crazedmystic]

his ego is in the way and you see thru some of his bullshit

His talks are perfect for some not for others

[davidtitterington]

right on.

[jobbew]

pedestal

[ParanoidMystic]

HOLY WOAH! Man, Wilbur is really really it!!

[kendolph]

Ken, get well soon!

[bellaragazza425]

Cannot wait to attend a seminar such as this!