To bad for the brutal melee in KZ3. Because now we don't get an epic boss battle like we had with radec. Instant kill ruins bosses, which is just to bad for the awesome game it is.
I killed radec on elite with knife,on my ps3 if he comes to knife him but i knife him 1st he runs away and comes back with knife just do it like this its soooooo easy
@GamePixelPSN yeah... but people are seposed to by a console for the games :P and Killzone 2 wasn't that greate and im allready boored with it, havent even completed the boss. and now im just spending my time playing xbox 360 with my friends
@kenndiata for the atac if you grab the rocket launcher and drop down into the tunnel on either end of the tunnel there are blue pervoskite lights if you shoot them while the atac is near them it stuns it and you can just fire off a rocket at the little shit then rinse and repeat
i remember when i 1st saw the heavy in that mission,i didnt kno what to do to beat him...but now im playin the game on elite mode and its really hard.
i hated the arc tropper becuase he was so big and scary i tried to run away and go up the ladder becuase i was so scared when i finnaly defeated him i tried to act like i was not scared and siad stuff like what cant beat me you punk yeah what supid thingy.yeah
The bosses in this game were laughable. Especially when you're pretty much told how to kill them. "SHOOT EM THE BACK SEV!" "AIM FOR THE HEAD SEV!" "AIM FOR THE BUCKETS SEV!" Geesh man shut up and let me find out for myself. I'm not a freakin retard.
The only boss who felt like a real boss was Radec and he's not hard, just annoying.
ATAC and Radec... two of the hardest boss battles I've ever had. ATAC was actually easy in the "Easy difficulty"... once they actually told you how to destroy it!
Well i took down the electricity guy by smashing his face with grenades, and then unloading the rifle from short range in his back barrels. took him in exactly 26 seconds, in my first play :)
i thought there will be bigger bad ass bosses in this game, just like in resistance 2.. it will be nicer.. i dun think the big guys wit big rail guns r bosses.. maybe can be categorized as sub bosses..
yeah mate, but wouldn't be more nice if we fight a big badass bosses using that mech.. *sigh* hope killzone 3 will have this kinda things.. coz i love to fight big n tough bosses.. it would be epic though..
Ive encountered heavy troops like that (Heavy armor, slow movment, machine gun, etc.) in Medal of Honor Airborne, their were like, 25 of them in the last level, along with supporting regular tropps, i just threw some anti tank grenades, but mostly i unloaded shotgun rounds, then used an assault rifle.
Yeah, when i saw the boss with the electric gun, i dropped an OMGWTF bomb, took like, three tries to bring it down, and i got killed once or twice, i kinda got scared xD.
theyre probly using a dev version of the game, so god mode will be on, its just to show off gameplay without getting killed every 30 secs. loads of game developers do that when theyre showing off their game
The heavy a very tough boss? Even on elite I took him out in about 20 seconds of just shooting the head then the fuel tank. The only hard boss on elite is Radec, and even then its not Radec thats hard, its just the endless onslaught of soldiers he sends at you, and Rico doesn'y help much, I had to go Rambo on their asses. xD
I don't think he meant that, we all know judging from the ending there is gonna be a Killzone 3, but he said 'see you in our next game', thats not really an announcement or confirmation just really saying goodbye till next time on whatever game we make. You never know they might be developing the new barbie game and then KZ3 lol.
Yeah a bit boring, I really got into it though, then out of it xD. I think it needs more maps on multiplayer, but for free lol I don't wanna pay money for 2 measly maps that might be crap, I will pay for their next DLC though, the one where they bring back maps from the original Killzone like Beach Head and another one I can't remember right now. Well cya later, nice talking to you :).
the last ambush literally took me like 4 fucking hours, i was playing on veteran
when i finally got to radec after 10 tons of shit i just stood in the corner with the shotty lol, but if you do this you wont get the trophy for killing him in under 20 mins
hav u beat Radec yet? Im gona do it, but 1st im going 2 finish COD 5 trophies, altho i dont think i can do it cuz theirs 1 trophy were u hav 2 shoot down 45 planes, which is hard, i can only get 30ish. Also you can only do it half way in the level and since you cant go 2 certain chekpoints it will b hard...
Man i cant get passed radec. Why isnt he as easy as the other bosses? Im playing the game at normal and he keeps killing me with his knife in the back...
dude when i versed the ATAC i didnt know you could drop off the top part into that bunker thing below! so all i had to verse him was a pole!...i beat him in under 1 and a half mins tho and got the trophy!
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To bad for the brutal melee in KZ3. Because now we don't get an epic boss battle like we had with radec. Instant kill ruins bosses, which is just to bad for the awesome game it is.
TheMechaninja 4 months ago
i have killzone 2 killing the heavy is easy
mameeo 6 months ago
killzone 1,2,3 ,resistance 1,2 , god of war and uncharted cud keep me in our house for a year & a haf
XxXBsLoRdXxX 9 months ago
I killed radec on elite with knife,on my ps3 if he comes to knife him but i knife him 1st he runs away and comes back with knife just do it like this its soooooo easy
pgx911summersend 9 months ago
ki cant beat the stupid ATAC i hate it sooo ,much
345mik 10 months ago
@345mik If you think the ATAC is hard, Radec will be helll forr you.
Angryification 5 months ago
@345mik hey dont u noticed that down where the three blue things are has stairs?it has some place to hide....try to hide in there and hit it...
danakatherinescully1 2 months ago
I personally think they did a better job with Killzone 2 than Killzone 3 when it comes to graphics.
CookiesAndGuns95 11 months ago
I will say they need to contact the doom 3 team, they had the BEST EVER cutscene to gameplay transitions IN THE WORLD!!!
weirdalyankosin 11 months ago
whats the name of the song when he starts talking about the atag? you know at 2:40?
Psychocide 1 year ago
@Psychocide It's "A.T.A.C Attack" from the Killzone 2 soundtrack. ;)
ALIENxenomorph100 11 months ago
@ALIENxenomorph100 thanks :]
Psychocide 11 months ago
only 4 bosses???? an entire game only 4 boss?
diepthanhthe 1 year ago
@diepthanhthe Name a mainstream shooter with more.Most don't even have any.
synth77 11 months ago
i beat the arctrooper in 6 seconds what you do is throw a grenade at his head then just spray the tanks on his back with the subgun
96fierfly 1 year ago
atag freakin raped me when i first beat the game
blackmurcery 1 year ago
thank you so much for making this game cos i the best i have played yet and thanks to all whom make this videos available to us
g121306 1 year ago
i almost gave up on radec.. srsly
thehomelesspervert 1 year ago
o boy that is so obviously a hommage to ww2
Tickleytacklethumb 1 year ago
tht gun hes holding at first, is that an M4A1 with holagraphic?
halo35boy 1 year ago
@halo35boy no
itstam619 1 year ago
FUCK radec on elite.
GamMan93 1 year ago
thumbs up if you think sev looks like soap mactaverish from mw2
ConnorTheConman360 1 year ago
@ConnorTheConman360 kz2 came out before mw2.
GamMan93 1 year ago
Those pussies used godmode.
freemanian2027 1 year ago
@freemanian2027 what's that ??
vo70672 1 year ago
radec was the hardest boss for sue 2nd is atac but all the others were quite easy. but i found them harder than the bosses in resistance 2
TheShart1234 1 year ago
okay this guy has gode mode on right? or are they that easy..
GAARAisthebeast 1 year ago
For the arc trooper it wasnt that hard i chucked a granade and him and killed him in less than 10 seconds.
trtrea 1 year ago
a game for scrubs if this is the hardest the boss gets....
Berra1337 1 year ago
@Berra1337 No the game itself is one of the hardest, but these developers are "god moding".
VrOOm1337 1 year ago
0:01 -- To skip ads...
ChickenVendetta 1 year ago
atct in the background of the arc LOL
D3TC0RD 1 year ago
His lightning gun doesn't seem to do any damage. At all.
rockonzeppelin 1 year ago
@rockonzeppelin its just a demo to show the bosses. notice how the other bosses never hit him?
helosb 1 year ago
is it worth it to buy a ps3 just for this and little big planet
TrueRussianPower 1 year ago
@TrueRussianPower
also get demons soul, god of war anduncharted
elbuenpehuen 1 year ago
@TrueRussianPower Yes. But there are much more features you'd enjoy if you buy a PS3.
GamePixelPSN 1 year ago
@GamePixelPSN i got a ps3 anyway
TrueRussianPower 1 year ago
@GamePixelPSN yeah... but people are seposed to by a console for the games :P and Killzone 2 wasn't that greate and im allready boored with it, havent even completed the boss. and now im just spending my time playing xbox 360 with my friends
besse25 1 year ago
@TrueRussianPower its so worthit
happygunzz 1 year ago
I can hear, that the second designer who talks about the A.T.A.C. is from the Netherlands, am i right?
Nattehan 1 year ago
@Nattehan they're all from the netherlands , this game was designed in the Netherlands.
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KetchuperStyle007 1 year ago
I killed heavy less than 30 seconds, I gotta agree it is the funnest boss ever.
Metalozedex 1 year ago
Is the ATAC a manned or unmanned vehicle?
NKOWlifelight 1 year ago
the atac looks easy in this game i have hard time with him actually
kenndiata 1 year ago
@kenndiata for the atac if you grab the rocket launcher and drop down into the tunnel on either end of the tunnel there are blue pervoskite lights if you shoot them while the atac is near them it stuns it and you can just fire off a rocket at the little shit then rinse and repeat
slinkyfester 1 year ago
oh and also FUCK YA!
emlmm88 1 year ago
they turned the damage off. these bosses are way harder with the damage on
emlmm88 1 year ago
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FUCK YEAH
RocketSpecialist 1 year ago
joda sí
MrMusicguy777 1 year ago
FUCK YEAH
ThePufferFash 2 years ago
FUCK YEAH
phunnybun 2 years ago
Pity...
ExtremeBogom 2 years ago
If you think KillZone 2 is sick gimme a FUCK YEAH.
ExtremeBogom 2 years ago
FUCK YEAH!
Toxer90034 2 years ago 2
@ExtremeBogom FUCK YEAH
gulkandi123 1 year ago
i remember when i 1st saw the heavy in that mission,i didnt kno what to do to beat him...but now im playin the game on elite mode and its really hard.
miguelnolaughter 2 years ago
most games last bosses arnt that hard but radec is deffinatly a chalenge
Beaststa197 2 years ago
i hated the arc tropper becuase he was so big and scary i tried to run away and go up the ladder becuase i was so scared when i finnaly defeated him i tried to act like i was not scared and siad stuff like what cant beat me you punk yeah what supid thingy.yeah
Beaststa197 2 years ago
i cant believe one of the trophies for killzone 2 is to never die on elite difficulty. who the hell can do that?!
bloodvein3 2 years ago
the trophy is to never die on ANY difficulty. you can do it on the easiest difficulty
ThatAzn 2 years ago
no cause on mine it had one for this, "beat the campaign mode on elite difficulty without dieing"
bloodvein3 2 years ago
lol check the trophies again. I have this game platinumed. I even have the trophies for the dlc packs
ThatAzn 2 years ago
the a.t.a.c. is fucking hard on every difficulty
brandonS911 2 years ago
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MindControlLord 2 years ago
yea rico is like the dumbest bastard of all time. how the fuck can anyone like him?
Zonde32 2 years ago
those heavys must be freakin tall and big to fit in those suits
bloodvein3 2 years ago
just heavy armour, and the are easy to take down... especially the electical one
brandonS911 2 years ago
They sound like a nerds.
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SexxyAmberii 2 years ago
The bosses in this game were laughable. Especially when you're pretty much told how to kill them. "SHOOT EM THE BACK SEV!" "AIM FOR THE HEAD SEV!" "AIM FOR THE BUCKETS SEV!" Geesh man shut up and let me find out for myself. I'm not a freakin retard.
The only boss who felt like a real boss was Radec and he's not hard, just annoying.
XxiLLViLLAiNxX 2 years ago
I agree with on the radec he wasn't like a monster helghan just jumpy
milomaddness123 2 years ago
i know man lol. they were easy, for some reason they remind me of Raven from metal gear solid 1
YngwieK1 2 years ago
the atac on elite is actually quite difficult, def took me a few tries
100redeye 2 years ago
who else agrees the heavy looks like a big daddy with a big machine gun
Gerbs1913 2 years ago 49
@Gerbs1913 No, big daddies are much cooler
venomchris 1 year ago
@Gerbs1913 who else agrees a big daddy looks like a fat deep sea diver with a champagne opener.
why compare? just stupid
glitchTF 11 months ago
@Gerbs1913 More like an enclave with fat ass armor
goodguitaristatmetal 11 months ago
radec was nothing.... u just shoot him with a shotgun then rocket launcher then he hits the ground
orgilzrorgilzr 2 years ago
play on Elite. None of ur opinions work other than timing
meetajhu 2 years ago 30
no really. i played the game in every difficulty. radec was easy. but his fucking goons weren't especially those fucking launcher guys
orgilzrorgilzr 2 years ago
this man, those launcher guys pissed me off
rockmusicmaster 2 years ago
@meetajhu done it n finished it=)
maxie15o9 1 year ago
@meetajhu Play on Elite, and you wish you hadn't xD
Seldanas 11 months ago
i killed radec in one minute
Kilenias 2 years ago
anyone can...it his almost never ending troops before hand!!!!!
Jutorbri 2 years ago
ATAC and Radec... two of the hardest boss battles I've ever had. ATAC was actually easy in the "Easy difficulty"... once they actually told you how to destroy it!
CoreMarine 2 years ago 2
can u play as the last boss online? im getting a ps3 and this is the first game im getting. id just like to know.
PSNIDPLAYSTATION 2 years ago
nah not that i know of
missersuperman 2 years ago
no you dont but the online is sooooooo good, trust me. add me EvilMonkeyJSH
EvilMonkeyJSH 2 years ago
what date r u getting it
Nogrounds 2 years ago
The ATAC guy was the most difficult cuz i dont understand what ive do to .. but when i discoverd it was easy ...
The heavy guy and the electric guy was sooo easy !! i dont even notice that ive killed the heavy only when i recived the trophy xD
priinceze 2 years ago
ATAC is very easy xD alone need healt her attacks xD
u play in ps3 add me:
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slAshmAIdEn23 2 years ago
lol heavy...
he stole Sasha!
theinhtun1 2 years ago 2
Haha, When I saw the electric gun boss, I was like OH SHIT! But he was really easy. And the gun you get is awesome!
xXHavokXx95 2 years ago
Well i took down the electricity guy by smashing his face with grenades, and then unloading the rifle from short range in his back barrels. took him in exactly 26 seconds, in my first play :)
DkFr88 2 years ago
how come the helgast has powers?
repax20 2 years ago
What do you mean by powers?
Martintheauthor 2 years ago
i thought there will be bigger bad ass bosses in this game, just like in resistance 2.. it will be nicer.. i dun think the big guys wit big rail guns r bosses.. maybe can be categorized as sub bosses..
vastaxx 2 years ago
u get to fight in a big mech with gatling guns and rocket launcher you likey?
tonysuthechineseguy 2 years ago
yeah mate, but wouldn't be more nice if we fight a big badass bosses using that mech.. *sigh* hope killzone 3 will have this kinda things.. coz i love to fight big n tough bosses.. it would be epic though..
vastaxx 2 years ago
This game takes a giant shit on Gears of War
MiClLC 2 years ago
ATAC is easy as pie. Radecs assault troops that spill out before you fight him are a whole nother' story.
TheEmobucket 2 years ago
A difficult story...
dekuscrubbyfan888 2 years ago
Ive encountered heavy troops like that (Heavy armor, slow movment, machine gun, etc.) in Medal of Honor Airborne, their were like, 25 of them in the last level, along with supporting regular tropps, i just threw some anti tank grenades, but mostly i unloaded shotgun rounds, then used an assault rifle.
NickyAmerica 2 years ago
for heavy u need to shoot in the head first then shoot at the tanks explosion wont work good
tonysuthechineseguy 2 years ago
Yeah, when i saw the boss with the electric gun, i dropped an OMGWTF bomb, took like, three tries to bring it down, and i got killed once or twice, i kinda got scared xD.
NickyAmerica 2 years ago
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skate33333 2 years ago
the arc trooper is much faster than the heavy trooper and bit more powerfull
nathansnyde10 2 years ago
god i hated the atac in killzone 2.....
freefall222333 2 years ago
y it was easy
albertwesker4ever 2 years ago
i pwned the first heavy in 27 seconds :-D
RazorX53 2 years ago
There should be killzone 3 cause at end of killzone 2 all the troops come again so hopefully KILLZONE 3
cant wait ^ ^
leithy1504 2 years ago
dont hold your breathe kid.
Toxer666 2 years ago
didnt he say "well see you again in our next game" a possible killzone 3 in the works? if its half as good as killzone 2 i cant wait.
joe123123789789 2 years ago 2
killzone 3 will be better
XPECTRON 2 years ago
i hate that atac thing. took me an hour to beat it, but i got the trophy eventually
ajharman53 2 years ago
lol didnt you notice the electricity beams down below? and isnt there a trophy for beating the ATAC in 1:30?
joe123123789789 2 years ago
my PSN is GET THE FUCK OUT AND STOP READING THESE COMMENTS FOR ONLINE FRIENDS so add me
TheFaisalHalawa 2 years ago
radec kicks ass great villian
CrotusX 2 years ago 3
omg so hard to kill heavy arc trooper
ChaeDaeki 2 years ago
easy
jimelzenga 2 years ago
its easy you need to trow grenades at him and he will stay still a little then shot the red crap in his back then boom...like hevy
vlader0003up 2 years ago
has anyone noticed that the player doesnt get damaged/hurt in this video, weird...
kuanliyeh 2 years ago
theyre probly using a dev version of the game, so god mode will be on, its just to show off gameplay without getting killed every 30 secs. loads of game developers do that when theyre showing off their game
nayte23 2 years ago
whoever has this online tell me and i will add u tommorw or wednesday
MRAWESOMEMAN100 2 years ago
my PSN is jakey5674 so add me
spartanassassin5674 2 years ago
my PSN is ayoub.xlink add me :D
halo2online 2 years ago
Is the arc trooper hard??
XoPwnzeroX 2 years ago
yes i couldnt fking kill it so im looking up on youtubel lol
ChaeDaeki 2 years ago 3
The heavy a very tough boss? Even on elite I took him out in about 20 seconds of just shooting the head then the fuel tank. The only hard boss on elite is Radec, and even then its not Radec thats hard, its just the endless onslaught of soldiers he sends at you, and Rico doesn'y help much, I had to go Rambo on their asses. xD
apollo849 2 years ago
after a bunch of tries i finally beat radec on elite..
psn: IStoleYourName
acemace3000 2 years ago
how you get unlimed ammo ?
ULTIMATEGAME3000 2 years ago
Did you hear that? It confirms it, he just sed their making another game right at the end... they bttr make 1... or else sombody gona geta hurtin!
totallymetallica 2 years ago
I don't think he meant that, we all know judging from the ending there is gonna be a Killzone 3, but he said 'see you in our next game', thats not really an announcement or confirmation just really saying goodbye till next time on whatever game we make. You never know they might be developing the new barbie game and then KZ3 lol.
apollo849 2 years ago
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I don't know... Thats is a possibility, but unlikely. He is probably talking about K3, but watever. I think KZ2 was a bit boring
totallymetallica 2 years ago
Yeah a bit boring, I really got into it though, then out of it xD. I think it needs more maps on multiplayer, but for free lol I don't wanna pay money for 2 measly maps that might be crap, I will pay for their next DLC though, the one where they bring back maps from the original Killzone like Beach Head and another one I can't remember right now. Well cya later, nice talking to you :).
apollo849 2 years ago
ya, well y not send me a friend request?
totallymetallica 2 years ago
Your right, why not :P
apollo849 2 years ago
1:49 LOL that helghast is spazing out and confused.
glitchbreaker 2 years ago
the last ambush literally took me like 4 fucking hours, i was playing on veteran
when i finally got to radec after 10 tons of shit i just stood in the corner with the shotty lol, but if you do this you wont get the trophy for killing him in under 20 mins
iGotDaMonsta 2 years ago
hav u beat Radec yet? Im gona do it, but 1st im going 2 finish COD 5 trophies, altho i dont think i can do it cuz theirs 1 trophy were u hav 2 shoot down 45 planes, which is hard, i can only get 30ish. Also you can only do it half way in the level and since you cant go 2 certain chekpoints it will b hard...
totallymetallica 2 years ago
yeah lol
iGotDaMonsta 2 years ago
I beat redic in 11mins and got the trophy.He was easy for me.
jak30016 2 years ago
radec is the most annoying boss in the entire game lol
Oniwan75 2 years ago
radecs alright. On elite, which i havnt tried yet, he is probably impossible...
totallymetallica 2 years ago
atac bloody annoying
Geol3dg3 2 years ago 2
if you think atac's are annoying, wait till you run into Radec.
Beeboguy 2 years ago
try radec on elite...its pisssing me offf....died bout 100 times till now.
Chaingangsoldiernit 2 years ago 2
If anything, I hate his support waves. Radec, enough, is ok.
durban59 2 years ago
yeah, I can't kill the last wave before the rockets
kolokilop 2 years ago
"You seem to want this to be personal. It will be my pleasure." Colonel Mael Radec (KIA)
NotCliffyB 2 years ago
this game is intense
troynaruto11 2 years ago 3
im at the visari palace soo cool
andman9000 2 years ago
Man i cant get passed radec. Why isnt he as easy as the other bosses? Im playing the game at normal and he keeps killing me with his knife in the back...
lordskyller 2 years ago
Just keep looking around thats what I did on Hard
Xtr3meO 2 years ago
I heart the background music for the battle with Radec. I wish they would release the Killzone 2 soundtrack already.
dave55811 2 years ago
at the second boss, i began to think about the "insect"-like airborne ships
Ostenkase 2 years ago
the game and at the end of the video give away that there'll be a killzone 3 (which i hope there is)
CleonNoel 2 years ago
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i didnt buy killzone 2 cause i knew theere was gonna be a killzone 3 im gonna get it as soon as it comes out
andman9000 2 years ago
in like 2-3 years
michaeljacksonator 2 years ago
r u drunk?
josephayal 2 years ago
i was just kiddin guys i got killzone 2 already
andman9000 2 years ago
ATAC nd radec r the 2 most hardest bosses in my opinion
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kolokilop 2 years ago
I find the ATAC part too e z should've been harder.
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kolokilop 2 years ago
i hate the ATAC he isn't fair and i die and die i hate him i realy hate him
tadukas4 2 years ago
dude when i versed the ATAC i didnt know you could drop off the top part into that bunker thing below! so all i had to verse him was a pole!...i beat him in under 1 and a half mins tho and got the trophy!
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kolokilop 2 years ago
OMFG I WANT YOUR JOB.
babbaoriley1987 2 years ago
spoilers much?
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kolokilop 2 years ago
radec kinda reminds me of hitler.
xDontFaintx 2 years ago
SAME!
MrNels0n 2 years ago
LOL at 1:50 he was shot in the head twice.
civilwarfare101 2 years ago
Yay! This video totally made me smile :)
I had a horrible morning and this made my day
Thanks! :)
Chick6517 2 years ago
Hey everyone - trying to put together a CLAN in Killzone 2...and I am looking for recruits!
The CLAN name is ALPHA DOG (tag aDOG) please sign up! (PSN; blakes-777)
zoneBOMB 2 years ago
Will you guys recruit anyone? I'm gonna buy the game real soon and I really want to join a clan.
titosuave21 2 years ago
HEY there titosuave21 - if this message is for me then dont worry of course you can sign up! as soon as you have the game give me a shout and I will send you an invite!
zoneBOMB 2 years ago