Rep. Trent Franks on Obama's Citizenship

[MAKAHAYAN]

TRENT FRANKS AND EVERY OTHER MEMBER OF THE 111th

AND 112th CONGRESS RECEIVED BY CERTIFIED MAIL , A COPY OF THE KENYA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR obummer . THIS

DOCUMENT HAS ALSO BEEN ADMITTED AS EVIDENCE IN A

FEDERAL COURT . NONE OF THESE DAMN FOOLS ARE PAYING

ATTENTION TO THE IRREFUTABLE FACT THAT obummer IS NOT A

NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF AMERICA . ALSO , HIS FATHER WAS NOT

A CITIZEN OF AMERICA , AND THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR BOTH

PARENTS TO BE CITIZENS OF TH U.S.A.

[beginization]

Why is a newspaper add a valid birth record of ctizenship, so I could place a local add then in 20 yrs claim american citizenship.

What research could they have done except askng Obama directly for his birth record.

[marcot64]

Oh, just get over it!! Don't you people have other things to do? If not find one like maybe getting off the couch.

[bnmc07]

None of these arguments have anything to do with the fact that Obama is a natural born citizen born in Honolulu Hawaii.

[MrJTK812]

Obama goes to trial January 26th, 2010, on the issue of his birth certification and qualifications to serve as President. His preliminary hearing is January 11th.

[Birwapa]

i've not been whacking off all day on Obama

obama fucked his grandpa and i've put that with lots of links on my page now people can go see that

but i've been busy all day sending posts to people who don't like communists

i've been telling them to go to my page's comments to see you saying Che Guevara is a great guy

I've contacted Tibetans (2 important ones, of which one heads the Thailand Shugden lobby where the hottest heads are sent to) and I've told him to contact Dhasa about you COMMIE ASS !

[UTBESUX]

THEY ARE A CULT! Yes folks does that sound radical? Well of course just look at them and then put it all together. I studied cults in great detail.

"people who look to others for their views on reality"..Rush, Fox News, Glen Beck. "They use the terms us & them, good vs evil". The leaders are above the truth as the followers look the other way. They all repeat and speak the same gibberish as if it's truth. They use a higher power to further their agenda. Go research cults & U will see it fits!!

[qualityrkc]

C-C-General David Petraeus gives a fascinating interview to Fox.Of particular note are his statements about the Geneva Convention. When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Conventions, he says, we rightly have been criticized, so as we move forward I think its important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena and to practice those.

[Birwapa]

check out my page here abuot another scandal with obama

his poem "Pop" that speaks about sex with an angry adult and a young boy Obama

if "Pop" his grandfather or his natural father frank marshall ?

it's three things

1; peophilia 2. sodomy and 3. incest

SODOM AND GOMRRAH

DON'T MISS THIS

this is the apocalpyse

obama is the world's most important person which is the antichrist's definition

he's also the lawless one as his sexual scandal shows

[Ascott6251]

Using some of your old lines, this is America Love it or leave it you dumb prick!

[qualityrkc]

lol i know right. its funny how many people used to say that who are now flipping a shit and trying to destroy the country. What did you expect though. I am not gunna lie though it is nice to be in a position where we can give them a dose of their own medicine.LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT YOU AMERICA HATERS!

[dayglowgreendoor]

Glenn Beck will be arrested soon because he raped and murdered a series of boys when he was a disc jockey. The boys have been found with evidence that Glenn Beck murdered them. Let's hear the truth, Glenn. Glenn snoogered boys and killed them. I know it's true. It has to be true. It just has to be true. It's true, it just has to be true. I read it right on the internets.

[RonPaulGeorgeRingo]

The dumbing DOWN of the modern conservative movement . . . Buckley Goldwater Nixon's Southern Strategy Reagan (TALK) Religious Right hijacks Jesus. Limbaugh (MORE talk) Bush/Cheney Palin Birthers And 90+% of these DIMWITS continue to ask "What would Reagan/Limbaugh do?"

[steveb777]

Considering his association with Rev (God Damn America!) Wright, Resko, ACORN, Pfleger, Khalidi, Meeks, Lowery, Alinsky, MoveOn, Soros, Ayers, Davis, Gates, Tax Cheats, Black Liberation, Black Panthers, Communist Party, Marxists, Van Jones, Mark Lloyd, Radical Czars, Union Thugs, SEIU, Apollo Alliance, anti Constitutionalists, anti Capitalists, and angry bitter Michelle Obama, Obama is evil.

STOP HIDING and SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

[Damnyoulose]

steveb777

STOP HIDING and SHOW US YOUR BRAIN.

[steveb777]

One can tell much about Obama by looking at the mean-spiritedness of his cultic followers. Good people hold their own to account; they dont enable bad behavior!

You prove my point that Obama is a very bad person.

HOPE-for-CHANGE

[qualityrkc]

lol you just summed up the retard crews whole agenda. You are funny.

[steveb777]

Don't trust the comment "ratio" on here. They are scrubbing many of the comments that speak the truth about Obama's fraud.

[seriouslysad]

If Obama was an Honest person with nothing to hide he would just release his records! Given his childhood history of not knowing his father, living with his grandparents and being bi-racial one would think he would be proud to show of his accomplishments!

[Damnyoulose]

seriouslysad

It was already released over a year ago.

[lenny380]

It's ok he saw it in a newspaper!!! HAHAAH. I feel better now - NOT

[JUDALATION]

Wow you republicans really need to let this go.... OBAMA IS PRESIDENT! get over it!

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

not really Obama is just a plant to proof a black man can't balance a checkbook, much less run acountry without lying or being a thief to the nation.

[dayglowgreendoor]

Obama can't balance a checkbook because he's African? His 1/2 Irish side seems to be doing a good job of staying off the whiskey. I've got a FEMA campground for your stupid, white trash arse with Glenn Beck & Fox News on 24/7 on the TV and a 24/7 all you can eat buffet. You rednecks could all be rounded up in a week in those camps!

[qualityrkc]

who are you? you type like you are 5 years old or like you are a foreigner? Is english your first language?how old are you?

[tecnohunk]

time travel

[dmaul7]

he has "cleft palate", you probabley seen pictures of little kids with mouths that look fucked up where their teeth are showing with their mouth closed. it's a birth defect, but if he is in congress,you would think he could afford to fix it.

[BillOReillySux]

Dude needs some plastic surgery.

seriously.

[bnmc07]

"Of course, you could forge an old newspaper"

You can also easily research the contents of the old newspaper, via any library. The announcement of Obama's birth is accesible via Honolulu's news archives. It was easily found by a conservative who had to give up his own "birther" argument after he found the announcement dated from the 60s.

[bnmc07]

ACORN has nothing to do with this issue.

[bwkimmey]

Storm, how much respect did you give to W?

[stormyskye9]

Who are you even talking about? If it was bush yes i did respect that man. Its got to be so hard for them(presidents) to deal with all the sniffly whinney babys who only complain and make shit up to only cause choas

[stormyskye9]

OMG for fucks sake,get over it!! he is THE PRESIDENT OF THE US!GIVE THE MAN THE RESPECT HE DESERVES. GOSH SUCH WHINNY ASS KIDS. MY 9YR OLD HAS MORE RESPECT THAN ALL U DUMD ASS COMPLAINERS!!

[m1kenas]

Americans still haven't figured out that it's all a game, The president is just up there following orders....things will continue their course,because thats the way it was planned. just to keep you entertained and give you the illusion that the people have power...

[wbradss]

Jews payed Off _+= BALONEY He is from KENYA

[wbradss]

Bull shit

[1958louief]

Obama is going to " Help and Bring Change." "Of course that will take time."

I haven't noticed anything Change... It's the same ole shit...

[Mixman77]

My gut feeling? This guy could probably sell the hell out of a car.

[Mixman77]

We have been downloading as many of these video's as we can for later use, if needed. These politicians are leaking all over the place right now and we need to be holding them to the heat and continually remind them of who it is they work for. Come election day 2010 and 2012 many politicians are going to be completely shocked by how the elections are handled and by who the people chose to put in their places. We will not allow another Acorn/Black Panther situation to happen again. That's over!

[detoth67]

Black Panther situation? LMFAO!!! You loony cons believe in fairy tales!

ACORN committed no crimes or fraud on election day. YOU LIE!

The dems in congress have 41% approval. GOP has 28%

According to the conservative wall st journal. Your kind aren't trusted!

[Punkandfunk420]

I know, huh? Acorn was just being completely honest and they get attacked like that. Only a bunch of redneck conservatives would stoop that low.

[qualityrkc]

haha black panther/acorn? dude stop watching glenn beck. ACORN is the one who reported voter irregularity when they say someone wrote mickey mouse. I REPEAT: ACORN REPORTED THEMSELVES WHEN THEY FOUND SOMEBODY WROTE MICKEY MOUSE ON A VOTER REGISTRATION FORM.black panthers? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?2 black guys scared white people while they were voting? what did they do? OH they were just standing there? Your reality is a purposefully manufactured lie by republicans, get your shit together.

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

hum there were just these black guys beat to death someone. And for why, because he was there.

Two black guys in black uniform with stick will intimidate anyone.

Ther should have been arrested,tazed then beaten themselves.

[eye7view]

The Next 4 years. Get use to it, and move on.

[2242bzo]

He said he didn't think the original newspapers he saw didn't look like they could be forged. What a dickhead!! Of course, you could forge an old newspaper. You can even make it look to be old. That guy knows he is lying. He needs to kill himself, for it's the only way he can save his soul.

[katchison]

Im pretty sure he meant it didn't seem forged to him.

[Realizalize]

if you wanna know what the fuss is about

with international rightwing and media of theirs, try : J.M.Aznar, Berlusconi, Axel Springer...// jus` the tip of the iceberg,

try at least the first one, it is the most revealing one.

[Jackworld100]

psy-op psy-op psy-op

[detoth67]

Republicans are getting crazier and crazier. They're believing more and more outrageous lies. They are getting more and more radical.

The GOP is little more than a cult for the mentally ill and gullible.

Franks is one mentally ill anti-American POS. He is not only an enemy to humanity, he is an enemy to America. He is a subversive no different than the Iraqi insurgency.

[Jackworld100]

The GOP is a psy-op that works on idiots like you. MURRR THIS CATEGORY OF PEOPLE ALL BELIEVE THIS. I DONT KNOW HOW THE MEDIA WORKS, MY NAME'S DETOTH.

[detoth67]

You're just a POS troll. Worthless!

[Mixman77]

And this is coming from who...a democrat? ROFL You'll see how, "crazy," the entire nation is on 2010.

[detoth67]

What are you basing your babbling bullshit on? The FOX News poll on Obama's approval that has him at 54%? Or maybe the conservative Bloomberg poll at 56%? CNN at 58%

Turn off Glenn Beck, he's rotting your already diseased conservative mind.

[MrJTK812]

Rather be a conservative than a dicksucking liberal. Obama is doing nothing in office except tripling our national debt and spending more money than Bush ever did.

[detoth67]

LMFAO! Silly minded conservative! Bush doubled the national debt. Took it from 5.8 tril, to 11 trill. RIght now it's 11.8.

Reagan tripled the national debt.

Try using the peanut you have in your head for something other than repeating Glenn Beck bullshit and think for yourself!

[MrJTK812]

I dont see how being conservative is silly minded. Perhaps you could enighten me? Why is liberalism a more stable viewpoint? Give me some substantial evidence that liberalism is the truth before you call me silly-minded.

[Punkandfunk420]

And I'd rather be a liberal then a bible-thumping uneducated conservative still pissed off and bitching that Obama won the election. O and tripling our national debt and spending more money then Bush? GET THE FUCK OUTA HERE LMAO xD!

[MrJTK812]

Conservatives are not uneducated people. I have known many educated conservatives (and many are atheist or agnostic) and many educated liberals as well. And I dont even watch Glenn Beck. What do you watch? NBC? ABC? CBS? Those are so liberal, pro-Obama, and biased that they wouldn't know the truth if it bit em on the butt.

[Punkandfunk420]

I'm an Independent not a Democrat, so I get my news from Independent news sites.

[MrJTK812]

Ok. Well, that's a start. U just can't trust any of the public news stations any more. It's all about the money now. No one cares about reporting the news. They care about reporting what they think people want to hear. So independent news sites are okay.

[bnmc07]

Obama's father was British/Kenyan. Obama never has been and never can be a natural-born citizen.

Unless, of course he was born in the United States- which he was. Honolulu is in the US. Barack Obama is a U.S. Citizen.

[bnmc07]

"I have a long form birth certificate."

Yeah, so do I. My "long form" doesn't say anything more about where I was born than the short form does. Place of Birth is the same on Long and Short forms. This point is moot.

[bnmc07]

The argument for the "Long form" is a moot distraction . The long form doesn't have anything on it that would discount what the Short Form does. His B.Cert is viewable online. It states that he was born in Hawaii. End of Story.

The place of birth is the only thing that matters and he was born in the USA.

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

I have a long form birth certificate, Obama says he has one. I can show mine, but Obama says he can't show his.

Well that's because I have one and he don't.

obama is a liar and a thief.

[herndon5]

You do know there is a copy up on the internet right?

Just Google it

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

A copy of Obama long form birth certificate. There's only one long form birth certificate on the internet fro Obama, and it show that he was born in Kenya.

[qualityrkc]

lol and that was already found to be a forgery. I could explain and show to you how but you wouldn't beleive me anyways because I am not glenn beck, bill o, or sean hannity.get your shit together for christ sake you are making humans look bad.

[MrSTANDFORAMERICA]

But that was what I was saying, it's the only B/C on the internet. No other exist.

[steveb777]

Obama's father was British/Kenyan. Obama never has been and never can be a natural-born citizen.

The British/Kenyan/Indonesia/Hawai­ian-African-American/possibly Canadian Community Organizer messiah usurper should STOP HIDING and SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

HOPE-for-CHANGE

[bnmc07]

"I was never much suspicious until they've kept fighting it. It just doesn't make sense."

Therein lies the fallacy. They didn't "fight it." The document is viewable on line. And in an office in Chicago. What just doesn't make sense is the myth that this is being "fought" or surprresed at all.

Perhaps at some point enough is enough and the President needs to do his job.

[bnmc07]

"No judge has ever examined the birth certificate ---- that's the whole point ---- instead of providing it to the courts, Obama's attorneys fight for dismissal"

The article you cited says they have. There is also the birth announcement from 1961 and Chiyome Fukino - saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Many FACT based organisations have viewed the document.

[bnmc07]

The fact that Obama ha a lawyer to deal with frivolous law suits says nothing of the claim itself. If I were accused over and over again, of killing an actor in a country I've never been, by a large organisation bent on framing me for murder- I would still have to hire a lawyr to deal with the claim. The fact that I hired a lawyer doesn't make me guilty. Nor would it make me guilty if I refused to comment on the ridiculous nature of that claim.

Repeating the claim does not make it true.

[2010GOP]

bnmc:

Read the entire article.  The judge chastized both sides, including Orly Taitz, but ruled in her favor

[2010GOP]

bnmc:

I believe only one of the lawsuits was deemed frivolous

The others, aside from Judge David Carter, were dismissed on "standing" -- meaning the correct people/citizens didn't file the lawsuit. That changed now since military personnel are filing.

These cases weren't dismissed on "merit"

[bnmc07]

So where other judges -many other- have actually examined this birth certificate, and saved time and money by striking this case down before wasting the courts time. One judge is going to take the bait.

[2010GOP]

bnmc:

No judge has ever examined the birth certificate ---- that's the whole point ---- instead of providing it to the courts, Obama's attorneys fight for dismissal

I was never much suspicious until they've kept fighting it. It just doesn't make sense.

The latest judge seems to agree with me & many others. Why increase suspicion, have a team of lawyers & spend over $1 million in defense when it's so easily resolved? That alone is what made me a so-called "birther"

[bnmc07]

From the link provided: "Carter is taking a different tack. Sure, others have examined documents including an Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser birth announcement for Obama and declared him a natural-born citizen. But Carter sounds like he wants the legal route played through, and has chastised Taitz not for frivolity but for distractions particularly her refusal to work with fellow plaintiffs' attorney Gary Kreep that threaten to further slow proceedings."

[bnmc07]

No where in this Orange Country story does this Judge say the Birther claim is going to win or is legitimate. It states that one judge is willing to allow his court to see case. This says nothing to the truth of the claim.

[bnmc07]

NPR had a great story on this "birther" strategy by Blumenthal I invite anyone to look it up.

Also Liz Cheney, daughter of the former vice president, was on CNN's told Politico that "I don't have any question about Barack Obama's right to be president."

[bnmc07]

"He isn't a natural born American citizen by any reasonable definition of the term!"

Except that he was born in Hawaii- by definition this makes him an American citizen. It's really just that simple.

[bnmc07]

"If President Obama fits the qualifications under the rules of the court, the longer the delay the more credibility it lends to the complaint"

This presumes there's been a delay- there has been no Delay the Birth Cert is viewable. A copy hangs in his office in Chicago. There is NO case here. Just propaganda.

[robm425]

Give it UP!!!! Who cares about Obama's citizen. There are more important issues!!!!

[StinkingHombre]

Could somebody explain to me how an individual can be both a British citizen and a natural born American citizen at birth? I never imagined that such a thing could be possible especially considering the fact that the father was a British transient! He isn't a natural born American citizen by any reasonable definition of the term!

[bnmc07]

Woocher has threatened to seek sanctions against Kreep for pursuing the case. "This suit, like all of the others that have been filed challenging Obama's qualifications for the Presidency, is frivolous," he said in an email to POLITICO, adding that he is, in fact, working pro bono. "There is absolutely NO TRUTH to the stories about the untold millions supposedly being paid to us," he said.

[2010GOP]

bnmc: Why are you posting articles from months ago?

First of all, all the cases that have been thrown out were because of "no standing" --- meaning, the plaintiff's who filed would not be directly harmed --- they were not thrown out based on "merit"

WRONG. Not all birther cases have been lost. A case in California is moving forward, unlike others. Military personnel are the plaintiffs ---- trial set for Jan 26, 2010

[bnmc07]

The White House is released an official copy of the Hawaii certificate during the presidential campaign. The press aide once tasked with quashing viral rumors, Ben LaBolt, no longer follows the fringe. But lawyers for the DNC and for Obama have been steadily batting down a stream of lawsuits, winning motions to dismiss the suits in courts from Pennsylvania to Hawaii, from the state level to the United States Supreme Court. ALL BIRTHER CLAIMS LOST

[bnmc07]

The conspiracy theorists are "embarrassing and destructive" the conservative activist David Horowitz wrote recently.

[bnmc07]

Recently FactCheck representatives attested to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. The certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). There are photographs of the frame certificate online

[bnmc07]

Nov. 1: The director of Hawaiis Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

[biggodhead]

I don't care about McCain, did I say I did?

(take your meds, birther)

Gotta link about that "hired team of lawyers" "all over the nation"?

Republicans like to pull "data" out of their asses and I need real info, not fox "news".

[2010GOP]

biggod: I don't think you understand

a) I brought up McCain because he was challenged on his eligibility. The difference is, Congress held hearings & required he provide his birth certificate --- yet everyone is an idiot who wants the same on Obama

b) OMG. Yes, of course Obama has a team of lawyers flying all over the nation -- LOL. There are cases all over the country -- do you think no one shows up for the defense?

Obama's legal team:

Perkins Coie Law Firm

[biggodhead]

Please, because you (or beck) said so isn't going to cut it...or make it true

I call b*llsh*t.

Provide a credible link or crawl back into your hole.

Quit your lying.

[2010GOP]

biggod: Lying?

Here's an article from the local newspaper:

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter's statement at the Sept 8th hearing:

"If President Obama fits the qualifications under the rules of the court, the longer the delay the more credibility it lends to the complaint," he said at a Sept. 8 hearing. "If President Obama does not meet the court's requirements, the delay also causes a problem"

ocregister . com / articles / obama-taitz-land-2572977-carte­r-judge

[biggodhead]

Again Bullshit.

even if this was real. where is the "hired team of lawyers" "all over the nation"?

You should be a grown-up and appologize to everybody here for parroting the insane rantings of orley taitz.

pathetic, just pathetic.

[2010GOP]

biggod: Sorry you can't handle it --- I've given you links

Are you really stupid enough to believe the Orange County Newspaper fabricated the entire story??

I also gave the name of the Law Firm hired by Obama. Only a dipshit Obama supporter would think there weren't a team of lawyers with near 20 lawsuits filed in various states

[biggodhead]

Still waiting for the millions of dollars and lawyers from all over the country. fail.

you stupid ass birthers and your failed taitz are bringing down the right.

good luck with that "gop 2010"

ha ha ha ha.

[biggodhead]

I pity the poor people of Arizona.

This guy is making an ass of you and your homestate.

Almost as loony as South Carolina...almost.

[2010GOP]

biggodhead:

How did Franks make an ass out of anyone?

No honest person could possibly say that it's not odd Obama spends over $1 Million dollars thus far, has a team of lawyers flying all over the nation fighting against providing the long-form birth certificate -------- when it's supposedly so readily available

[biggodhead]

oh yeah, you birthers are an image of sanity. ha ha ha.

Thanks for the laughs.

[2010GOP]

biggod:

LOL ---- and thank you for the laugh --- you can't answer the questions, can you?

a) Why was there a Congressional hearing on determining McCain's eligibility in which he provided his birth certificate --- and yet people are 'crazy' for wanting the same thing on Obama?

b) If Obama has nothing to hide, why has he spent over $1 Million dollars, flying teams of lawyers all over the nation, instead of just providing like McCain did?

MAKES NO SENSE to anyone with 1/2 a brain

[biggodhead]

No question the birthers look like crazy loons and crazy franks just keeps that image going.

Again, Thanks for the yuks!

your birther movement only helps Obama and the dems.

[2010GOP]

biggodhead

There's no question you're simply unable to answer reasonable & valid questions ---- thanks again for the chuckles. It's humorous watching you resort to only insults because you can't answer

Like most Obama supporters, you're either blind, ignorant, or both. I'll ask again just for shits & giggles:

a) Why was there a Congressional hearing on McCain requiring his b/certif & not Obama?

b) Why has Obama spent $1 Million & hired a team of lawyers if there's nothing to hide?

[qualityrkc]

are you kidding? it makes total sense to me. He sees you as an embarrassment to your party so it is in the democrats interests to have you people constantly show how crazy the republican party is now and how rational moderate people have no place in a party of nutsos.

[2010GOP]

quality: Republicans party of nutsos?

Violent Protesters at G20? Left-wing

Protesters at 2008 Repub Convention who beat people, destroyed property & threw bleach in people's faces? Left-wing

Protesters who ambushed GOP speakers, including Condi Rice; blocked military offices & spit in soldier's faces? Left-wing

Protesters w/"Kill Bush" signs, a puppet of Bush on a noose, etc.? Left-wing

OH yes -- the left are SO rational -- LMAO

Arrests in Washington D.C. on 9/12? Zero

[qualityrkc]

lol violent protestors? yeh right. Everything you just said has nothing to do with reality. Bush is a self proclaimed war criminal and Obama is not. That is the difference. Libs hate Bush because he tortured people and prolly had some idea of what was going to happen on 9/11 beforehand. Repubs hate Obama because.....he is black? Other than torture obama has made all the same policy decisions the bush administration made so these right wingers who fight him are disengenuine.repubs love torture

[2010GOP]

quality: Damn you're dumb

1) I gave you FACTS on left-wing protesters who are obviously the nut-jobs

2) Bush is a war criminal? LOL. Newsflash dummy: Democrats read the same intell as Bush & overwhelmingly voted to go into Iraq

3) Obama reserved his right to order enhanced interrogation methods --- even CNN reported it

4) MANY hate Obama for his idiotic policies -- has or wanting control of 8 private industries, spending more than all past Presidents combined, the LIES, etc

[qualityrkc]

I didnt say he was a war criminal for going to iraq. I meant he is a war criminal for using waterboarding and other techniques. Its not disputable. Waterboarding is torture. Torture is illegal. Bush ordered torture. I know it hurts your alternate reality where he was a hero but it is a fact whether you like it or not that bush and some of his admin are war criminals by the definitions outlined under us and international law. Cant debate facts.I didnt vote for obama you loyalist moron.U c 1 side

[2010GOP]

quality: You're so idiotic -- do you even read replies?

a) The Dept of Justice approved of Waterboarding, not Bush --- thus, as much as you'd like, no one is a "war criminal"

b) Obama has RETAINED THE RIGHT to use enhanced interrogation methods

c) You're just an uneducated Obama supporter. Go study the Geneva Conventions --- the protocols outlined are for soldiers of another country, in uniform

d) I'm the only one posting FACTS -- you either twist them or have no understanding

[qualityrkc]

wrong you tell half truths.

A-you dont think the bush administration had any control over the justice department?You dont think the president of the united states has total control over the justice department?Keep in mind eric holder and BO's relationship.

B-Not surprised, Obama is the same as Bush LIKE I SAID IN THE FIRST PLACE.Repubs dont attack him for what he is really doing wrong.They only talk about birth certificates and death panels and other bullshit not based in reality.

[qualityrkc]

thats what I thought I just made you my little lap dog bitch.

[2010GOP]

qualityrkc is an uneducated THUG IDIOT --- LMAO!!

How many times does it have to be repeated to your ignorant ass on the reasons people are opposed to Obama?

-In 8 months, Obama has already, or is wanting control 8 private industries

-Obama also wants to control people's salaries (even those not receiving a bailout)

-Obama now wants the power to seize control of the internet / private networks

-Obama has already spent more money than all past Presidents COMBINED

[qualityrkc]

lol just no 2010, just no.You should work for fox.All of the things you just said (controling 8 industries, control internet,spent more money,control salaries). Why do you lie like that? Its just weird. Ill single out one to debunk because of the limited comment space.Obama has spent more more than all past presidents combined? Seriously man, be honest. GOP economists estimate that he will spend more than any president is different than he has already spent more than any president.Ur a bad liar

[2010GOP]

qualityrkc: LOL!! -- you are WRONG

Obama has spent more money than all Presidents COMBINED. From George Washington ----->George W. Bush - COMBINED

Here you go:

online . wsj . com / article / SB 123629969453946717 . html

[qualityrkc]

your reading comprehension skills need work "The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents -- from George Washington to George W. Bush" lol ok now...

[qualityrkc]

first off Bush increased the national debt 4.3 trillion dollars. If obama has an ESTIMATED 3.6 trillion dollar budget in his first year then how could he have spent more than any president combined?Is this where our differences come in? Is it because you read and then can't understand what the words you just read even meant?SO FAR he spent 1.2 trill on bailout,.8 t on tarp,.6t on budget. That means he has spent 2.6 t thus far.Also the bailout and tarp are loans which will be paid back. You lied.

[2010GOP]

qualityrkc: You are an IDIOT

a) Under Bush, Democrats in Congress put forward the largest budget in American history & threatened to hold up troop funding if Bush vetoed

b) Since 2007 when Democrats took control, they added $3.1 Trillion to the national debt

c) Obama & Democrats have Quadrupled the deficit. Learn the difference between "debt" & "deficit"

d) Obamas welfare spending will reach $888 billion in just one fiscal year. More than Bush spent on the entire Iraq war

[qualityrkc]

lol you said obama has spent more than any president combined....do you still think that is true? Has Obama already spent more than all other presidents combined?

[qualityrkc]

If obama has only spent 3.6 trillion how could he have spent more than bush who increased the national debt by 4.3 trillion dollars?Can you explain I dont understand.

[2010GOP]

qualityrkc:

The 10 yr budget "deficit" will be $10 Trillion --- that is per the Obama admin

As of 8/26/2009, Obama & Democrats have issued $10.84 Trillion in "Debt", including supplements

Our unfunded future Federal liabilities is now $60 Trillion -- with a "T", as in "tyranny"

Go to: USdebtclock (dot) org

[qualityrkc]

has obama spent more than any other president in history combined?

[qualityrkc]

2010,has obama spent more than any other president in history combined?

[2010GOP]

"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies"

-Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov 1999

"There is no doubt Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs"

-Letter to Bush, signed by Bob Graham (D) & other Democrats, Dec 2001

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country"

-Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

[2010GOP]

quality:

When a police officer uses a taser gun or nightstick, is that torture??

Liberals are odd creatures. They are outraged when a terrorist, who wants to saw their head off, is "non-fatally" waterboarded ------- yet doesn't give 2 shits that innocent babies are chemically burned alive or stabbed in the head

Twisted Whacked-Out Liberals

[qualityrkc]

LOL if a cop kidnapped me, put a bag over my head, refused me a lawyer, then while i was already in cuffs started tasering me then yes that would be torture.Using a taser to subdue someone in order to prevent them from hurting themselves or others now that is not torture.LoL which plot to burn babies heads with chemicals was thwarted? have you heard of any? You watch too many episode of 24. Waterboarding is used for coersion is it not? The only purpose of waterboarding to coerse false admitions.

[2010GOP]

quality: You make no sense

-A cop will taser you before you're found guilty of anything & to keep you from hurting others. Waterboarding (3 people mind you), was to extract info so that others were not hurt or killed

-What does "burn babies heads" mean? You're not only getting abortion procedures confused, you're somehow trying to twist it into the "thwarting" argument.

-Waterboarding thwarted an attack on Los Angeles -- confirmed by the CIA

[qualityrkc]

and D- You are a deranged fox eating republican loyalist who thinks they are the solution to the problem when they are the problem. You dont want good government, you want a republican government. And the left/right visard continues while justice and liberty suffer.If you knew "facts" you wouldnt be a dem or a repub.

[bnmc07]

These people don't even know the definition of Socialist or Marxist or Communism. They're defeating Health Care Reform and fighting for the Insurance Companies that make millions of dollars while they go sick and broke. Brilliant. Led by the nose with hate and bigotry- right into the hands of Big Corporations.

[2010GOP]

bnmc:

a) You can be an "elitist" & support socialist policies at the same time. Not clear what you mean.

b) Repubs aren't "defeating" healthcare reform -- the Democrats are -- not one Repub vote is needed

c) The profit margins for health insurance companies is much less than other industries who provide essential goods & services (Food - major/div), is one

d) People voted for Obama while 1/2 black -- now they're racists because they disagree w/him? Approx 20 point approval drop

[bnmc07]

He was born in Hawaii. First Obama was "elitest" now he's a "socialist" and a "nazi" and anything else they want to throw at him but the N word they really want to use. Why dont these people all admit they hate him because he's (1/2) black. Period. Own up to your hate and bigotry. Nobody questioned McCain's birth and that wasn't even in the U.S. But- oh that's right he's white so it doesn't matter.

[2010GOP]

bnmc:

e) Yes, people did question McCain's eligibility. There were Congressional hearings & he provided his birth certif. Any idiot should've understood anyway he was eligible w/his father serving in the military

f) Republicans & Big Corporations?

Who protected Fannie/Freddie? DEMOCRATS

Who put language in the stimulus for AIG Exec to receive bonuses? DEMOCRATS

Party w/12 politicians under investigation for fraud & doing favors for Corporations w/taxpayer money? DEMOCRATS

[bnmc07]

"Birthers" are being led by the nose by fringe right wing hate groups. They will do anything to de-legitimize Obama. It fucking scary and sad. We've got to speak up against this blind leading the blind ignorance.

[AllStarKase]

Too late, douchebag. You lost credibility a long time ago.

And how is he being un-American? He saved this country from falling into another Depression.

[AirborneIdentity]

who elects these ignorant rednecks to office?

[steveb777]

It's true Obama's dad and mentor were communists. In in college he said he didn't like regular people. He preferred the Marxists.

Look at his friends. You can see he hates America.

The British/Kenyan/Indonesia/Hawai­ian-African-American/possibly Canadian Community Organizer messiah fraud usurper should STOP HIDING and SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

[seriouslysad]

Great comment!

[steveb777]

The Birthers and Dualers are on the solid ground of truth and openness. Obummer must release his long-form birth certificate and other hidden records.

We are his employer; he applied for the job; we have a right to know who we hired!



Obama! Release your records!

[michiganbball]

Congressman Franks is a GREAT AMERICAN PATRIOT. Agreed Congressman, Obama is a fraud and is hiding not only his past, but a Communist background during his 10 years being mentored by Frank Marshall Davis in Hawaii.

[michiganbball]

Obama is a Neo-Marxist, plain and simple. Anyone who voted for him, or continues to support him is a true waste of life and a cult member.

[eks56]

At least this ass is not from North Carolina. Here lately it's been Foxx and Burr acting the fool. This time it's an idiot from Arizona.

[michiganbball]

Uhm eks56, FUCK YOU! Your little Communist self can shove a piece of sweet potato pie in your mouth and SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[planetsean]

Remember the good old days when hairlips were less inclined to speech???

[mrrheades]

Rexcetera I don't think there is anyone MORE STUPID than you.That is the correct way to imply ignorance,or in your case...straight up fucken stupid

[coaltrader07]

Obumma is such a liar and fraud!! The American people are almost insane for voting him even with the 24/7 Jewish propagada machines...

[gblackpe]

Obama is NOT transparent. It's just a few more days until discovery in the Oct 5 hearing will require Obama to share the records he sealed on his first day in office with a presidential declaration.

For those rabid Obama supporters, playing the race card is a weak argument. If you follow such intellectual conclusions then anyone who thinks Michael Jackson molested children, or OJ killed Nicole are racists too !

[gblackpe]

IF and ONLY IF Obama were qualified, he would have long ago shared his birth documentation, rather than spend over 1.4 million dollars defending the sharing of his vault birth records. The Certificate of Live Birth alone is NOT proof of Citizenship for obtaining a Passport.

If McCain subjected himself to a Senate Committee (including Obama) reviewing his qualifications why can't Obama? If W Bush and McCain shared their mediocre collegiate records with the public, why can't Obama ?

[dingysd]

Trent Franks should spend some of his tanning bed money on getting his upper lip fixed right.

[Neoconhater]

What a moron, the birthers are the dumbest loons in the history of American politics.

This chump is a putz like all birthers.

[criticaljimmk]

stupid republicans... why are you so fucked up ?

[ILoooooveCamels]

Why won't Trent Franks show us the results of his IQ test? What does he have to hide?

[rumisouth]

He just can't help himself. "Obama could just resolve this by showing his long-form birth certificate!" Problem: the State of Hawaii does not release long-form birth certificates. In fact, the original paper record was digitized and destroyed. That last bit is just a way of keeping the nontroversy alive.

[jx14aby]

That will give the republicans ammunition for years of litigation. Depositions, discovery. Tie him up in courts. Maybe get a perjury charge. It worked with clinton.

[steveb777]

Not true. The DoH made a statement that they have it, but can't release it without Obama's approval.

Why doesn't he release it? What's he hiding?

[2010GOP]

steveb:

I agree -- I wasn't too concerned initially about Obama's birth certificate issue. However, that changed due to:

a) Obama spending over $1 Million dollars in legal fees

b) Hiring a team of Attorneys who fly all over the country to fight the release of the birth certf

c) Sealing all pertinent records including college application & transripts (shows a "foreign" student perhaps?)

d) Why not end suspicions? It's so easily resolved

Thank God the judge in CA agrees!

[steveb777]

Thx, I agree. To top it off, the B/C is not the only issue.

James Madison wrote the Constitution and used natural born citizen to refer to a person born to a US citizen mother and US citizen father. The class of "native-born" citizen was not established until the 15th amendment, and it did not amend Article II.

Because of his British father, Obama was not/is not/and never will be a natural born citizen of the United States.

HOPE-for-CHANGE

[Rexcetera]

I don't think there are stupider people on earth than republicans. Maybe it's some kind of evolutionary dead-end. I hope so.