This game is complete fucking bullshit. I can unload 6 bullets, with the M16; or Half a Clip of AUG into someone and they're still running around. People who I SHOOT AT first , 3 to the chest; STILL kill me even though I shoot at them first. They see me before I see them. Usually best connections win.
Fucking disgusting. I wouldn't care if CoD wasn't such a big selling game, but fans literally pour buckets of money into their laps every year and they won't use any of the revenue on Dedicated Servers for their fanbase...they'll sure invent "Elite" though won't they?
Just for kicks I was playing Homefront yesterday games hit detection is flawless so my question is why can THQ go out on a limb with that game and give DS while the asses in Activision have a guaranteed money maker, but won't.
I agree. I have 3-4 bars in every game and I suffer a lot from this. First it was so bad I thought people that shot me must use wallhacks since they seemed to know I was behind a wall or corner. On my screen they shot me straight on - it seemed. But in reality they were ahead of my time so to speak.
Same thing where I unloaded my whole mag into their chest with UMP45 from point blank even before they started shooting and they kill me anyway. On replay I haven't even started aiming at them :(
This USed & Stills Happens In Black Ops So Wat I Did Is Go Against Wat Most People Say "Get Modern Warfare 3". AHAHA So They r Telling me 2 Buy that Game For the Same Thing. Well I bought BattleField 3 & Everything is gone Fine since in BF3 u can Choose ur Server (East US Server For me).
BF3 = No Lag 4 Me & No Campers....... Camp & Building Drops On u XD
... and the saddest thing is that MW3 is even worse than BO. I never rage quit from BO, but it's a regular event now. To be hones, it runs the fun from what would otherwise be a great game. And will BO2 be any different? Not holding my breath ...
@IRC2005 Activision admits that the lagcompensation is messed up on MW3, and are working to fix this, but as it runs very deep in the games multiplayer code, it will take time. Let us hope they learn from their mistakes, and we get better and better games.
Great demonstration of what is actually happening! This is a constant struggle for me as I am usually at 3 bars in every game. I really hope that the game authors can rethink the way they handle the network code to compensate for this... or even better, start using dedicated servers like Battlefield so that you can pick the server closest to you and then there isn't a host who always has the advantage. Well done WhaleMaster. Infinity Ward/Treyarch, are you listening?
@swooperz There are actually plenty of shooters which have a much worse way of dealing with lag, the worst one IMO is when they don't do anything and you have to lead your targets based on ping. Also most PC games have dedicated servers, don't know why consoles don't use them, I actually find that really strange. PC gamers generally only play on dedicated servers. If a game doesn't have that then we move on to another one that does.
Are you willing to pay extra for dedicated servers? I'mt trying to be a dick. I'm trying to find out how much you want it. Like 2-3 bucks a month per player would cover any dedicated servers needed when added up. Otherwise you can use the current mode. It'd be nice to have the option.
"you can see, I'm on target" The hell you are on target. Your shots are off target and your sights were on target only on one shot. GTFO with your bullshit theories.
Nah, you're just an frustrated rager looking for a reason for your confusion that causes you to rage so you whine at me. "I should've killed him" is what my friends keep saying whilst I watch them and see how their aim is just off target. For an example, look at 1:23 as he says "I'm on target." Use your fucking eyes and stop being an ignorant dick. He's CLEARLY NOT on target for more than that one shot on his own screen, and that's how many hits he gets on that instance.
This is why pre-fire seems to do better, and why trailing a target hits instead of leading. Even though you should have to lead slightly in real-life over great distances.
I am the host in almost every game I know my connection is good that's why it keeps picking me as the host but when I am playing everyone is moving normal and my guy lags a lot so I leave and it does a host migration when I am not the host its normal
Yea but then if they are synced why arent you reacting on the turns at the same time, 2:21 , its better to record a video of you as host and then you as player, theater mode could be a whole different story.
BF3 is really horrible in the running for cover scenario even if you have minor lag since the hits are registered client side. Though your bullets will hit just like on your screen. Also I think BF3 has a longer interval in registering hits than COD, not surprising considering the larger scope of the game.(not sure, might have been just the beta since I have not experienced it after release: I either got used to it or it was a bug that got sorted out)
I noticed this very clearly when I first played MW2. Based on the example that you die after shooting a few shots and get no hitmarkers: COD4 PC dedicated servers with <100ms ping max 1 shot before death and no hitmark (rare). Then MW2 with fucking IWNET consistently 3-5 shots not registering in the same situations (though i got used to it after playing a lot). The effect can also be seen when running for cover: getting killed AFTER getting into cover.
American readers, you may not be aware of this, but your Internet is -- to put it lightly -- sub-par. Compared to the rest of the developed world, broadband access in America is not only slow, but also more expensive and shittyer.
Interesting. I find a way to fix this is by finding a person whom you have good connection to and always ends up as host for the lobby. Helped my lag problem in my home... until hosts switched. Then it's back to square one.
This video is stupid. you CAN NOT compare live footage of a video game running 60FPS (variable) on a client vs a 20fps (variable) demo recording from a host.
@Toysrme While you can't, what he is explaining is still true and to the layman what is seen in the comparison (though not properly accurate to what is actually going on host side) is a fair representation of what latency is, the delay between you and the host. The comparison in which he fires off shots at the guy hiding behind the stairs is indicative of latency, his opponent's latency winning as his opponent's client's packets with the bullet confirmations reached the host before he did.
no it's not moron. and it doesn't matter WHOS packets hit host FIRST.
show your ignorance of the subject even further as all kills are TIMESTAMPED by each system from the time the game starts. it doesn't matter if a timestamp reaches a host 3/4 of a second behind another. all that matters is who has the EARLIEST killing timestamp.
the order of them being received is inconsequential.
@Toysrme Toys, as much as you're active in both the xim and the denkirson community you're a bit of a cunt aren't you? Being incorrect does not make me a moron, it just makes me incorrect. It is completely unnecessary to be so hostile and you're acting like a 5 year old. Grow up. You could have informed me of this in a perfectly amicable way without being such a muppet.
@Badhabitsjay epic fail number 30 on your part as clearly it is.
here's a suggestion. if you take everything you feel your brain thinking about, then say or do the opposite youll be correct 100% of the time. cause thus far, you've only shown yourself to be capable of being wrong to 7L levels
@Toysrme Epic fail? You're nearly thirty Brandon, time to grow up. It may be showing for you but you're not showing it to anyone else, spastic. Your age, about me and channel views being all you show.
Though watching you repeat this over and over is entertaining, it's simply not present, pleb.
Dude your not crazy or nothing I've noticed this same thing whenever it makes me host.It's almost impossible to get kills and I even showed one of my buddies during a live session whereas I usually kill other players with only 15 shells or less. It takes more and I'm always dead on target beating a guy to the shot and he somehow manages to escape death/hitmarkers close range from a whole 45 shell mag.Due to host lag.How do you counter being host it's got me going fucking nuts
This is only "partially" the problem. Theater mode isn't an exact recording of what happened...it's rather a simulation of what happened. For theater mode to record the entire game through host or a server..it would take massive programming and massive bandwidth. The simulation (Theater mode) isn't 100% accurate...Although this video doesn't show the exact reasoning for lag in BO, it is on the right track..and yes BO does have a "natural" lag
@zomgaskill to me its eaven wors WAAAY WORSE. people freeze/stop then it starts working again. I shoot at someone, and a second later i appear back to where i started and i have fired shots but hit no one and that is bullshit. that is lagg, it allso says connection interrupt
@zomgaskill Yeah, me too. But once in a while I am actually doing better. I suspect it is because I am on a 12/24 dsl line in Sweden and got somewhat good connection - compared to rest of europe - and especially large parts of russia and so on. That is, I get picked as the best choice for hosting and got that advantage that is.
That can explain why a friend of mine, not far from me in the city, on 100/100 mbps fiber never seem to have this problem. Probably getting picked as host a lot more?
Great example of lag mate ,most people think lag is just when the frames are jumping but this is what ive been yelling about for ages,i think its to do with the up and download speeds ,my speeds are both very high so if you have a low upload speed then you have a huge advantage, it wrecks the game for me as its like im firing blanks most of the time.
Great vid, WhaleMaster. Yep, probably one of the most frustrating things online, next to hackers. Heh, I'll get killed a lot on my own, but when it's 'cause of lag, can't help feelin' a bit robbed. Even had knife and tomahawk fails when the animation plays on my side but not on their kill cam.
@Pl0xability You're an idiot. I've been playing cod on console since 2006 & never had a consistent issue w/ lag until Blops. Sure, I'd get those 1 or 2 bar games, but I'd get them a lot less than in other, non-cod games. Dedis would be nice, but we're never going to get them on console because the devs have repeatedly said for years that dedis wont work for 6v6 gametypes, so get over it. Don't buy the game if it makes you feel better, 30 million other ppl will & Activision doesn't care about you
i dont get it though if your seeing the better side which is the top, why would their be a problem with lag? that could tell you their is a problem but i dont see how this would prove it
@laserjik It proves it rather well, actually. What happens is the host (or 4 bars w/ a good connection to the host) see the game unfold roughly 1/2 a second before 2 bars (or 3 bars w/ a bad connection to the host) see the game unfold. It doesn't seem like a lot of time, but more often than not it's the difference between getting a kill & dying. Basically on his TV, the 2 bar sees himself shooting the host 1st, but he dies anyway, because in reality, he was dead before he ever even took a shot.
@laserjik Because the game is played through the host. So what the host sees/what theatre mode shows is what actually registers in game. The issue is that what youre seeing isnt necessarily what is actually happening. In Black Ops the difference between these 2 is huge.
I dont see how that video can show it any clearer than that lol.
@romeo616 if what people are seeing(not the host) what isnt happening, then why is it that we shoot at the target and they die, that would mean were seeing what is happening... the hitboxes are still on the target, its not like the target is a visisble ghost and the hit boxes are behind him.
It would have been interesting to see how many bars you had, particularly if you had 4. It would then be interesting to do the same thing on PC and then compare the two. I play on a particular server with a ping of around 55, and if I watch theater I feel it's still quite behind a bit compared to what I was doing, but it's hard to say if it's as much as it is here or the same. I can at least say I don't ever get such bad hit detection.
i hate lag like this.. i have a better internet speed but still i lag like this... it frustrate me.. the good thing this guy post this video so people would know.. It's too uncommon now to have a better connection in BOs.
Treyarch said it was our fault for lag? but how about MW2 you dont see any lag in there unless you're a bad connection, treyarchs fault, infinity ward did a better job.
Treyarch makes bullshit video games with connectivity issues, if MW2 didnt have so many gay perks like - Danger Close, Commando, One Man Army etc - it would have been fine as a game. Expecting big things from MW3, its release cant come soon enough!
Infinity Ward did a good job with this, I don't ever remember having this issue with MW2. Me and my online friends can point out at least 2 times a match where this issue takes place. It really disrupts the game play having the guy with the better connection or most "luck" to win. This happens to me on a regular basis, 3:28... Thanks for explaining this better and confirming it for me!
They dont need to fix the lag. All they need to do is let two players of opposing teams SHOOT AND KILL EACH OTHER AT THE SAME TIME. How hard would that be? Seriously?
they made this piece of crap game lag even more by creating the theatre mode function which records everything (slows down live gameplay) also statistics - shots fired, kill locations on map, hits on body area etc & finally custom guns, you can see the emblems & dot sights etc. all causes immense lag.
I think we can all agree the game is fun to play but is a poorly made piece of shit. I have never had as much lag and other connection problems in any series outside of call of duty. I notice that the lag is still there but significantly less in MW2 as well. Treyarch just made a poor game, but it still sells like hotcakes because of the call of duty name. Hopefully MW3 will be better when it comes to these connectivity problems.
Lag is SHIT!! I hate it when some is shooting at you, you run around a corner for cover and you die. Then you watch the killcam and your not even near the corner, fuckin happens to me all the time! HATE LAG, eat a doodle treyarch! >_<
I have an issue with hit detection and damage resistance. It practically takes a whole clip sometimes to kill someone, and then in someone elses shoes they come by and take three shots at me and I'm dead! It's bullshit! And also I aim at aguy and fire and it seems like the bullets aren't doing anything, no hit-markers after like 5 shots sometimes, it's weird and unfair the way I die sometimes.
I Had this Same Problem the Other day, I Shot the Fag Like 13 Times in the Head an Nothing Happened and Once i Checked the Killcam , It was Like if i Didnt Shoot him at all.. Thats What Got me Pissed of really bad. GAYARCH Will never know how to make good Servers
I fucking hate lag. One of the BIG problems with it is that you will appear and the enemy will see you before you see the enemy, resulting in you dying in .1 seconds upon seeing the enemy.
When my connection gets better, I suddenly FUCK EVERYONES SHIT UP TO PIECES getting games with like 45 kills and 5 deaths, getting kill streaks calling in dogs and the huey at the same time by using the SR-71.
My connection at my apartments just suck horribly. I'm considering buying my own WIFI box instead.
@XenoSpyro they did a better job because u dont get the nasty lag u get on blackops, sometimes is frustrating. I play with 3 bars and my 3 bars on MW2 never put me in disadvantage. Not to mention that IW MW2 is more fun, ppl still play it and it's been out 2 years ago.
@alexsep82 Kay. Black Ops has generally bad ingame latency and ModWarf2 will disconnect you when you get the lagomatic-9000 (the lightspeed skating across 10 feet back and forth that locks your view).
I am so glad I'm not the only person who is experiencing this. I thought that I was just really, really bad. My friends just kept telling me that I needed to try different techniques and stuff, but I knew that it didn't really take a magazine and a half to get a kill. I went back and played MW2 last night and dominated everyones soul! haha
Nice Video, Myth Confirmed, there is Lag!!!!!!! I have to sell this game before I pop a blood vessel. I think I'm developing a tumor by playing this game.
hahaha yeah i tend to suspect that. especially around japanese players too sometimes. Well this lag just makes our reaction even faster and faster. we just need a gd game to own. Well next game id choose is battlefield 3 . i want a server dedicated game. enough with this p2p BULLSHIT
people forget about dedicated servers for mw3 on consoles. Activision and treyarch own the biggest video game fransiche and yet theyre too greedy make dedicated servers even though thats what people want
Its just the lag from the host. They live far away from the other players and thats when the lag occurs. Usually the system chooses the host from the area where majority are. The worst part is the system siding the least laggiest against the laggiest. THATS JUST UNFAIR.
@sustantivo1espritu actually i just discovered they search for the first american player and put him host. YESTERDAY i was in a full lobby with people from my region everyone had 5 bars. I got dogs the host rage quit. Then an american entered and suddenly host migration and guess who got picked as host..waitfor it..thats right the american!!!! It happens almost everytime i even ask the people that get picked as host and wher theyre from everytime the answer is american Videogame DISCRIMINATION
Ever consider that maybe the servers are located in the U.S. and since players from the U.S. are closer to the servers they have a better connection than you thus the reason they get host.
@gr33nrice323 if theyre located in the US how come sometimes i enter a 5 bar match? Plus these arent dedicated servers that are planted over the countries(that would be cool) the host is "supposedly" chosen to be best for the majority of people to have a good connection. Having 11 people from my area and 1 american and choosing him as host is in no way the majority
@Cruchto same thing happened to me. i got attack dogs on nuketown, connection interrupted. great, thanks host. i will be honest i don't remember so much lag on mw2, but i like the levels on black ops more than mw2. so i keep coming back. if only infinity ward and treyarch could be friends and just make one great call of duty game. let infinity ward handle everything except level design and zombies. just a thought
i jusy fucked my black ops' case up because of this... if i there was a way to fix this then i know i would love the game. i get only one or two lag free games every week. so damn irritating!
@Pl0xability Yes all games, dedicated server or not, is gonna have a bit of lagg. Thats why most games try to pair people up in the same continent. MW2 and other P2P games has good host selection and the hit boxes and hit detection is crisp. If your constantly having that terrible of games in every game mabey you should check your ISP and do a speed test?
Doesnt matter though. Your gonna always believe dedicated servers is the fix all to any problem so mabey CoD just isnt your thing.
nah dedicated servers would make it a lot better for black ops, because the lag is probably because most people who are the hosts cant support theater mode and all the other bandwidth eating services i.e. playercards and that. so theres going to be a lag between you and the host even if your ping is fine?,
With black ops dedicated servers, they could have a dedicated server in the UK and several in USA, ofcourse there will be a tiny microsecond of lag, but this needed for black ops not mw2
@buzincarl I dont know.. I could be all wrong and Dedicated servers could be the savior of CoD. I just dont understand how at times my cable internet can be a perfect host to even people in the UK yet when a friend is running fiber optics but cant host an all NA match and gets kicked due to lagg or vice versa. Im just trying to get people to look at other possibiltys of why the lagg and hit detection is so bad in black ops without jumping to the conclusion its due to peer to peer hosting.
Yeah I'm not sure, I have a 10mbps connection fiber optic, and when I get picked as the host, it cant take it and I get lagged out. I can do it on mw2 and other games but not black ops, so maybe the issue is with the black ops server?
@Pl0xability My point is I do not see a dedicated server fixing this. Many other shooters do not have servers yet run just fine. In fact, MW2 runs great without dedicated servers and I dont remember WaW running as bad as Black Ops. Just because there is really bad hit detection and some lagg does not mean the problem is Peer to Peer hosting.
HOST LAG!! That is an oxy moron. only Treyarch could make something like this exist. I have the best cable internet = I am usually picked as host. This gives the advantage to the cheapest f*cker in the ghetto with crap dsl. They get the kill while i'm shooting blanks again.
also I've noticed when you are voting for a map, the time between selecting a map and your vote showing up is a pretty good indicator of how the game is going to perform for you. I get at least a half second to 1 second delay most games....just enough time to get killed before you know what hit you
3:25 <--------- THIS happens to me in I would say 80% of the lobby's I'm in. It happens so much that it has become normal to me and I have adapted my gameplay style accordingly, I feel like I have to make every bullet count, yet I get sprayed and die. So frustrating. BUT I know that when MW3 comes out and doesn't suffer from these problems I will be a fucken raging beast because my snap has had to be so finely tuned in order to get any kills in Black Ops. Just go play MW2 and notice the diff.
Fucking lag!
Sandraphillips15 2 weeks ago
I KNEW IT!!!
UNIVERSALCONSOLE 3 weeks ago
This game is complete fucking bullshit. I can unload 6 bullets, with the M16; or Half a Clip of AUG into someone and they're still running around. People who I SHOOT AT first , 3 to the chest; STILL kill me even though I shoot at them first. They see me before I see them. Usually best connections win.
TheINFJGuy 1 month ago
I wonder how this applies to the service Onlive where everyone has at least 50ms of lag added.
evsystem 1 month ago
Fucking disgusting. I wouldn't care if CoD wasn't such a big selling game, but fans literally pour buckets of money into their laps every year and they won't use any of the revenue on Dedicated Servers for their fanbase...they'll sure invent "Elite" though won't they?
Just for kicks I was playing Homefront yesterday games hit detection is flawless so my question is why can THQ go out on a limb with that game and give DS while the asses in Activision have a guaranteed money maker, but won't.
XxNicoMinoruxX 1 month ago
Spray and prey
StoneBoneAndFire 1 month ago
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hreflet 1 month ago
noob lool
czesiosmok 1 month ago
Thanks this explaines a lot
Royalhighlander 1 month ago
I agree. I have 3-4 bars in every game and I suffer a lot from this. First it was so bad I thought people that shot me must use wallhacks since they seemed to know I was behind a wall or corner. On my screen they shot me straight on - it seemed. But in reality they were ahead of my time so to speak.
Same thing where I unloaded my whole mag into their chest with UMP45 from point blank even before they started shooting and they kill me anyway. On replay I haven't even started aiming at them :(
andhsva 1 month ago
This USed & Stills Happens In Black Ops So Wat I Did Is Go Against Wat Most People Say "Get Modern Warfare 3". AHAHA So They r Telling me 2 Buy that Game For the Same Thing. Well I bought BattleField 3 & Everything is gone Fine since in BF3 u can Choose ur Server (East US Server For me).
BF3 = No Lag 4 Me & No Campers....... Camp & Building Drops On u XD
IPodTouch4GAddict 2 months ago
one more reason why i play halo reach/3 more than this crap ^^ !
LegendOfSpartan13 2 months ago
Best. Educational. Video. Ever.
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mattthecat81 2 months ago
Happens every time i meet an enemy player around a corner.
1john1992 2 months ago
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i think thes online play games need to get rid of random host pickin and look in to some dedicated servers
jay2ggod 2 months ago
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i think thes online play games need to get rid of random host pickin and look in to some dedicated servers
jay2ggod 2 months ago
i think thes online play games need to get rid of random host pickin and look in to some dedicated servers
jay2ggod 2 months ago
... and the saddest thing is that MW3 is even worse than BO. I never rage quit from BO, but it's a regular event now. To be hones, it runs the fun from what would otherwise be a great game. And will BO2 be any different? Not holding my breath ...
IRC2005 2 months ago
@IRC2005 Activision admits that the lagcompensation is messed up on MW3, and are working to fix this, but as it runs very deep in the games multiplayer code, it will take time. Let us hope they learn from their mistakes, and we get better and better games.
JustSomeRandomNewb 2 months ago
Great demonstration of what is actually happening! This is a constant struggle for me as I am usually at 3 bars in every game. I really hope that the game authors can rethink the way they handle the network code to compensate for this... or even better, start using dedicated servers like Battlefield so that you can pick the server closest to you and then there isn't a host who always has the advantage. Well done WhaleMaster. Infinity Ward/Treyarch, are you listening?
swooperz 3 months ago 10
@swooperz There are actually plenty of shooters which have a much worse way of dealing with lag, the worst one IMO is when they don't do anything and you have to lead your targets based on ping. Also most PC games have dedicated servers, don't know why consoles don't use them, I actually find that really strange. PC gamers generally only play on dedicated servers. If a game doesn't have that then we move on to another one that does.
PsychoT1m 1 month ago
@swooperz:
Are you willing to pay extra for dedicated servers? I'mt trying to be a dick. I'm trying to find out how much you want it. Like 2-3 bucks a month per player would cover any dedicated servers needed when added up. Otherwise you can use the current mode. It'd be nice to have the option.
LanIost 1 month ago
@LanIost I would totally pay for dedicated servers.
MrJim911 1 month ago
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swooperz 3 months ago
"you can see, I'm on target" The hell you are on target. Your shots are off target and your sights were on target only on one shot. GTFO with your bullshit theories.
Lecrie 3 months ago
@Lecrie You're a fucking idiot.
TheINFJGuy 2 months ago
@TheINFJGuy
Nah, you're just an frustrated rager looking for a reason for your confusion that causes you to rage so you whine at me. "I should've killed him" is what my friends keep saying whilst I watch them and see how their aim is just off target. For an example, look at 1:23 as he says "I'm on target." Use your fucking eyes and stop being an ignorant dick. He's CLEARLY NOT on target for more than that one shot on his own screen, and that's how many hits he gets on that instance.
Lecrie 2 months ago
@Lecrie Cool story bro.
TheINFJGuy 2 months ago
@TheINFJGuy
How about you just look in the mirror, kid.
Lecrie 2 months ago
@Lecrie I'm a 27year oldman, "KID". Cool story bro.
TheINFJGuy 2 months ago
@TheINFJGuy
u mad?
Lecrie 2 months ago
@Lecrie Poop stick.
TheINFJGuy 2 months ago
@TheINFJGuy
still whining? get over yourself, no carebears for you here
Lecrie 2 months ago
i hate lags they are very annoying :|
Xxpr0badxX 3 months ago
This is why pre-fire seems to do better, and why trailing a target hits instead of leading. Even though you should have to lead slightly in real-life over great distances.
Intoxicatious 3 months ago
and thats why p2p sucks as well as black ops being better on the pc.. loved it and now this trash mw3...
1Ezk 3 months ago
how do you find out whos the host??
thelarsi5 3 months ago
I am the host in almost every game I know my connection is good that's why it keeps picking me as the host but when I am playing everyone is moving normal and my guy lags a lot so I leave and it does a host migration when I am not the host its normal
N17young 3 months ago
every call of duty game does it
but if your the host it's the worst
if I am host I leave the game
N17young 3 months ago
@N17young what?? If you are host you have the best connection in the lobby (4 green bars). o.O
Why would you leave?
Th3CandyIVIan 3 months ago
Yea but then if they are synced why arent you reacting on the turns at the same time, 2:21 , its better to record a video of you as host and then you as player, theater mode could be a whole different story.
laserjik 3 months ago
BF3 is really horrible in the running for cover scenario even if you have minor lag since the hits are registered client side. Though your bullets will hit just like on your screen. Also I think BF3 has a longer interval in registering hits than COD, not surprising considering the larger scope of the game.(not sure, might have been just the beta since I have not experienced it after release: I either got used to it or it was a bug that got sorted out)
t0k3p0k3 3 months ago
@t0k3p0k3 BF2 had fucked up hitboxes, I am not surprised if DICE botched the hitreg again.
DeathAdder187 3 months ago
I noticed this very clearly when I first played MW2. Based on the example that you die after shooting a few shots and get no hitmarkers: COD4 PC dedicated servers with <100ms ping max 1 shot before death and no hitmark (rare). Then MW2 with fucking IWNET consistently 3-5 shots not registering in the same situations (though i got used to it after playing a lot). The effect can also be seen when running for cover: getting killed AFTER getting into cover.
t0k3p0k3 3 months ago
American readers, you may not be aware of this, but your Internet is -- to put it lightly -- sub-par. Compared to the rest of the developed world, broadband access in America is not only slow, but also more expensive and shittyer.
FictionOfDaHype 3 months ago
Interesting. I find a way to fix this is by finding a person whom you have good connection to and always ends up as host for the lobby. Helped my lag problem in my home... until hosts switched. Then it's back to square one.
RespectAuthorita 3 months ago
This video is stupid. you CAN NOT compare live footage of a video game running 60FPS (variable) on a client vs a 20fps (variable) demo recording from a host.
Toysrme 3 months ago
@Toysrme While you can't, what he is explaining is still true and to the layman what is seen in the comparison (though not properly accurate to what is actually going on host side) is a fair representation of what latency is, the delay between you and the host. The comparison in which he fires off shots at the guy hiding behind the stairs is indicative of latency, his opponent's latency winning as his opponent's client's packets with the bullet confirmations reached the host before he did.
Badhabitsjay 3 months ago
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Toysrme 3 months ago
no it's not moron. and it doesn't matter WHOS packets hit host FIRST.
show your ignorance of the subject even further as all kills are TIMESTAMPED by each system from the time the game starts. it doesn't matter if a timestamp reaches a host 3/4 of a second behind another. all that matters is who has the EARLIEST killing timestamp.
the order of them being received is inconsequential.
Toysrme 3 months ago
@Toysrme Toys, as much as you're active in both the xim and the denkirson community you're a bit of a cunt aren't you? Being incorrect does not make me a moron, it just makes me incorrect. It is completely unnecessary to be so hostile and you're acting like a 5 year old. Grow up. You could have informed me of this in a perfectly amicable way without being such a muppet.
Badhabitsjay 3 months ago
@Badhabitsjay yes. you being incorrect makes you a fucking moron
Toysrme 3 months ago
@Toysrme How's the broken family?
Badhabitsjay 3 months ago
@Toysrme What's the matter Brandon? Not fun when it gets personal? Still cool to be an internet tough guy without the deindividuation?
Badhabitsjay 3 months ago
@Badhabitsjay WOW are you a dumbfuck! If i cared for people to know what my name is, it wouldn't CLEARLY be written on my profile page.
You fail at everything don't you?
Toysrme 3 months ago
@Toysrme It's not on your profile page..... Moron.
Badhabitsjay 3 months ago
@Badhabitsjay epic fail number 30 on your part as clearly it is.
here's a suggestion. if you take everything you feel your brain thinking about, then say or do the opposite youll be correct 100% of the time. cause thus far, you've only shown yourself to be capable of being wrong to 7L levels
Toysrme 3 months ago
@Toysrme Epic fail? You're nearly thirty Brandon, time to grow up. It may be showing for you but you're not showing it to anyone else, spastic. Your age, about me and channel views being all you show.
Though watching you repeat this over and over is entertaining, it's simply not present, pleb.
Badhabitsjay 3 months ago
@TheEgg18 Whiteboy is a know it all lol he kept bitching at me for using semtexs and shotguns.
RoboticusMusic 3 months ago
Dude your not crazy or nothing I've noticed this same thing whenever it makes me host.It's almost impossible to get kills and I even showed one of my buddies during a live session whereas I usually kill other players with only 15 shells or less. It takes more and I'm always dead on target beating a guy to the shot and he somehow manages to escape death/hitmarkers close range from a whole 45 shell mag.Due to host lag.How do you counter being host it's got me going fucking nuts
Ze5891 4 months ago
WTF Justin bieber advertisement, of 10 seconds + WTF Youtube, more shit like this and im never using it again, nice video by the way
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walliwperez54 4 months ago
If only PC and console community can get along with one major thing ... DEDICATED SERVERS!! and yes mouse and keyboard for FPS :D
3eleni3y6 4 months ago
This is only "partially" the problem. Theater mode isn't an exact recording of what happened...it's rather a simulation of what happened. For theater mode to record the entire game through host or a server..it would take massive programming and massive bandwidth. The simulation (Theater mode) isn't 100% accurate...Although this video doesn't show the exact reasoning for lag in BO, it is on the right track..and yes BO does have a "natural" lag
sirbeefofmatt 4 months ago
If you wanna see REAL lag... play blips on wii
25DoubleK 4 months ago
For some reason on cod4 I never lagged but on blackops I lag Like crazy idk why I've tried other games and its perfect. I guess Bo sucks
smartpizza3 4 months ago
Happens every time i fuckin play.
zomgaskill 4 months ago 26
@zomgaskill thats one reason i got rid of black ops...but mw3 isn't much better >.<
RyderDarkheart 3 months ago
@zomgaskill same with me
iLikaDaSexxxx 3 months ago
@zomgaskill to me its eaven wors WAAAY WORSE. people freeze/stop then it starts working again. I shoot at someone, and a second later i appear back to where i started and i have fired shots but hit no one and that is bullshit. that is lagg, it allso says connection interrupt
the2222full 3 months ago
@zomgaskill Yeah, me too. But once in a while I am actually doing better. I suspect it is because I am on a 12/24 dsl line in Sweden and got somewhat good connection - compared to rest of europe - and especially large parts of russia and so on. That is, I get picked as the best choice for hosting and got that advantage that is.
That can explain why a friend of mine, not far from me in the city, on 100/100 mbps fiber never seem to have this problem. Probably getting picked as host a lot more?
andhsva 1 month ago
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So I guess there isn't a fix for this yet, except for a really expensive great internet connection. And I'm sure that won't always work.
wcavedog 4 months ago
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wcavedog 4 months ago
Great example of lag mate ,most people think lag is just when the frames are jumping but this is what ive been yelling about for ages,i think its to do with the up and download speeds ,my speeds are both very high so if you have a low upload speed then you have a huge advantage, it wrecks the game for me as its like im firing blanks most of the time.
1978DAVIDR 4 months ago
Great vid, WhaleMaster. Yep, probably one of the most frustrating things online, next to hackers. Heh, I'll get killed a lot on my own, but when it's 'cause of lag, can't help feelin' a bit robbed. Even had knife and tomahawk fails when the animation plays on my side but not on their kill cam.
AUGguile 4 months ago
@Pl0xability You're an idiot. I've been playing cod on console since 2006 & never had a consistent issue w/ lag until Blops. Sure, I'd get those 1 or 2 bar games, but I'd get them a lot less than in other, non-cod games. Dedis would be nice, but we're never going to get them on console because the devs have repeatedly said for years that dedis wont work for 6v6 gametypes, so get over it. Don't buy the game if it makes you feel better, 30 million other ppl will & Activision doesn't care about you
colonelboston 4 months ago
very cool man! you could be a professor you know how to teach things so graphically that is really not boring! :P
SexualDelirium 4 months ago
i dont get it though if your seeing the better side which is the top, why would their be a problem with lag? that could tell you their is a problem but i dont see how this would prove it
laserjik 4 months ago
@laserjik It proves it rather well, actually. What happens is the host (or 4 bars w/ a good connection to the host) see the game unfold roughly 1/2 a second before 2 bars (or 3 bars w/ a bad connection to the host) see the game unfold. It doesn't seem like a lot of time, but more often than not it's the difference between getting a kill & dying. Basically on his TV, the 2 bar sees himself shooting the host 1st, but he dies anyway, because in reality, he was dead before he ever even took a shot.
colonelboston 4 months ago 2
@laserjik Because the game is played through the host. So what the host sees/what theatre mode shows is what actually registers in game. The issue is that what youre seeing isnt necessarily what is actually happening. In Black Ops the difference between these 2 is huge.
I dont see how that video can show it any clearer than that lol.
romeo616 4 months ago
@romeo616 if what people are seeing(not the host) what isnt happening, then why is it that we shoot at the target and they die, that would mean were seeing what is happening... the hitboxes are still on the target, its not like the target is a visisble ghost and the hit boxes are behind him.
laserjik 3 months ago
I'm so lucky with my connection, no lags at all always host
africerane 4 months ago
It would have been interesting to see how many bars you had, particularly if you had 4. It would then be interesting to do the same thing on PC and then compare the two. I play on a particular server with a ping of around 55, and if I watch theater I feel it's still quite behind a bit compared to what I was doing, but it's hard to say if it's as much as it is here or the same. I can at least say I don't ever get such bad hit detection.
IronScarecrow 4 months ago
well this is black ops. its basically like somebody dropped MW2 said OH SHIT! and tried to fix it with duct tape and shitty host connection
Waynside 4 months ago
I am sending this to Treyarch and Activision.
Mofos.
mohamadalikazi 4 months ago
i hate lag like this.. i have a better internet speed but still i lag like this... it frustrate me.. the good thing this guy post this video so people would know.. It's too uncommon now to have a better connection in BOs.
musicdrew2341 4 months ago
Treyarch said it was our fault for lag? but how about MW2 you dont see any lag in there unless you're a bad connection, treyarchs fault, infinity ward did a better job.
ipwn56 4 months ago
Treyarch makes bullshit video games with connectivity issues, if MW2 didnt have so many gay perks like - Danger Close, Commando, One Man Army etc - it would have been fine as a game. Expecting big things from MW3, its release cant come soon enough!
phillipowenobj 4 months ago
the 1st one says 20 bullets shot
the 2nd one says 24 bullets shot
unsafewalker69 4 months ago
i hate your video
TUFFmr 4 months ago
nice video ,well done.
ssj3mohan 4 months ago
Infinity Ward did a good job with this, I don't ever remember having this issue with MW2. Me and my online friends can point out at least 2 times a match where this issue takes place. It really disrupts the game play having the guy with the better connection or most "luck" to win. This happens to me on a regular basis, 3:28... Thanks for explaining this better and confirming it for me!
MrTrevenJohn 5 months ago
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MrTrevenJohn 5 months ago
They dont need to fix the lag. All they need to do is let two players of opposing teams SHOOT AND KILL EACH OTHER AT THE SAME TIME. How hard would that be? Seriously?
maarc3D 5 months ago
Leyg?
SuperCorey95 5 months ago
they made this piece of crap game lag even more by creating the theatre mode function which records everything (slows down live gameplay) also statistics - shots fired, kill locations on map, hits on body area etc & finally custom guns, you can see the emblems & dot sights etc. all causes immense lag.
lllllillllllllillll 5 months ago
Why does the intro remind me of OwnagePranks?
MDNewsCrew 5 months ago
I think we can all agree the game is fun to play but is a poorly made piece of shit. I have never had as much lag and other connection problems in any series outside of call of duty. I notice that the lag is still there but significantly less in MW2 as well. Treyarch just made a poor game, but it still sells like hotcakes because of the call of duty name. Hopefully MW3 will be better when it comes to these connectivity problems.
Fettster777 5 months ago
Lag is SHIT!! I hate it when some is shooting at you, you run around a corner for cover and you die. Then you watch the killcam and your not even near the corner, fuckin happens to me all the time! HATE LAG, eat a doodle treyarch! >_<
Cheezdeez 5 months ago
but this also happens when I shoot at players who aren t the host...Is it a my connection problem?
MERKUisAdrummer 5 months ago
And it's actually kinda intimidating now to play Black Ops knowing that you should be one step ahead, knowing with lag you could look like a noob.
XeresKyle 5 months ago
I have an issue with hit detection and damage resistance. It practically takes a whole clip sometimes to kill someone, and then in someone elses shoes they come by and take three shots at me and I'm dead! It's bullshit! And also I aim at aguy and fire and it seems like the bullets aren't doing anything, no hit-markers after like 5 shots sometimes, it's weird and unfair the way I die sometimes.
XeresKyle 5 months ago
and this is why i always shoot a bit infront of the player always when there walking
miguelangelv7 5 months ago
I Had this Same Problem the Other day, I Shot the Fag Like 13 Times in the Head an Nothing Happened and Once i Checked the Killcam , It was Like if i Didnt Shoot him at all.. Thats What Got me Pissed of really bad. GAYARCH Will never know how to make good Servers
JabbaQuestMania 5 months ago
That's why I only play with Bots.
DubStepLove 5 months ago
i'm tempted to spam this video's link to JD_2020 on twitter....who's with me? lol
Figurine16 5 months ago 22
@Figurine16 do it man, do it! you'll be a hero in my eyes lol
Zoheb83 5 months ago
why is the shooting so different, but the re-load is exactly the same...this is weird...
kratos3390 5 months ago
nice vid
rayg87 5 months ago
that is why me and my brother call this game BLACK COCKS .... not rassist or anything but. FUCK THIS GAME
DARKESTDREAM88 5 months ago
@DARKESTDREAM88 is black cocks supposed to be funny?
Thezamary 5 months ago
I'm pretty sure the way the Theater works is the same that lets you have "Killcams"
Every single Cod players Xbox is recording a script of the players actions. it doesnt record it right obviously.
I suggest you try testing player/spectator in split screen. The spectator will still have that same delay.
This is a very nice showcase though. Seeing Gameplay vs recorded-play side by side. Makes it easy to say how bad even a 4 bar connection can be.
XenoSpyro 5 months ago
theater mode just suck doesn't have anytyhing to do with lag
mattlaureys 5 months ago
Send this to treyarch ASAP! NAO!
TehUltimateSnake 5 months ago
I fucking hate lag. One of the BIG problems with it is that you will appear and the enemy will see you before you see the enemy, resulting in you dying in .1 seconds upon seeing the enemy.
When my connection gets better, I suddenly FUCK EVERYONES SHIT UP TO PIECES getting games with like 45 kills and 5 deaths, getting kill streaks calling in dogs and the huey at the same time by using the SR-71.
My connection at my apartments just suck horribly. I'm considering buying my own WIFI box instead.
hellomate639 5 months ago
see i knew there was this invisable 5 second lagg purposely pissing people off and affecting their game style, MW3 WONT have it.
ipwn56 5 months ago
@ipwn56 yes it will. its another cod game. you know IW cant do Multiplayer right:)
XenoSpyro 5 months ago
@XenoSpyro they did a better job because u dont get the nasty lag u get on blackops, sometimes is frustrating. I play with 3 bars and my 3 bars on MW2 never put me in disadvantage. Not to mention that IW MW2 is more fun, ppl still play it and it's been out 2 years ago.
alexsep82 5 months ago
@alexsep82 Kay. Black Ops has generally bad ingame latency and ModWarf2 will disconnect you when you get the lagomatic-9000 (the lightspeed skating across 10 feet back and forth that locks your view).
XenoSpyro 5 months ago
My connection is mostly 3 bars all the time but for some reason I lag a lot is it me?
smartpizza3 5 months ago
I am so glad I'm not the only person who is experiencing this. I thought that I was just really, really bad. My friends just kept telling me that I needed to try different techniques and stuff, but I knew that it didn't really take a magazine and a half to get a kill. I went back and played MW2 last night and dominated everyones soul! haha
lowsdime98 5 months ago
I have a solution to lag. Play on PC.
TheFrostedCereal 5 months ago
gayarch fails
Snipe4Life9001 5 months ago
@Snipe4Life9001 clever.........
WheresThePopcornProd 5 months ago
@WheresThePopcornProd thx
Snipe4Life9001 5 months ago
"I'm gonna show you what 'leg' is"
teeman9266 5 months ago
Nice Video, Myth Confirmed, there is Lag!!!!!!! I have to sell this game before I pop a blood vessel. I think I'm developing a tumor by playing this game.
Lyricistmc 5 months ago 22
@Lyricistmc
holly shit
can I get a tumor for being mad at video games?
I'm fucking raging each time my deaths are more then my kills
(in bc2 though)
dannyblanki 5 months ago
@dannyblanki yep, i just sold my Black Ops & I feel peaceful... no more Rage!!
Lyricistmc 5 months ago
well wtf , i hope you dont pay to play a laggy fn game like that, but it was bought :/
kamilianawow 5 months ago
Very informative, thank you.
Rhockaby 6 months ago
hahaha yeah i tend to suspect that. especially around japanese players too sometimes. Well this lag just makes our reaction even faster and faster. we just need a gd game to own. Well next game id choose is battlefield 3 . i want a server dedicated game. enough with this p2p BULLSHIT
sustantivo1espritu 6 months ago
Game of shit, for noobs
mirko91forever 6 months ago
we could all be a IReapz IF none of those problems existed in the game
judgeman090 6 months ago
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this is why BF is better. no lag , no depending on your connection to win a gun fight. black ops multiplayer sucks dicks. mw2 was way better
BEARARMZ 6 months ago
I think its because treyarch sucks when it comes to the server and the connection
TheTabshirEmperor 6 months ago
people forget about dedicated servers for mw3 on consoles. Activision and treyarch own the biggest video game fransiche and yet theyre too greedy make dedicated servers even though thats what people want
Cruchto 6 months ago
Its just the lag from the host. They live far away from the other players and thats when the lag occurs. Usually the system chooses the host from the area where majority are. The worst part is the system siding the least laggiest against the laggiest. THATS JUST UNFAIR.
sustantivo1espritu 6 months ago
@sustantivo1espritu actually i just discovered they search for the first american player and put him host. YESTERDAY i was in a full lobby with people from my region everyone had 5 bars. I got dogs the host rage quit. Then an american entered and suddenly host migration and guess who got picked as host..waitfor it..thats right the american!!!! It happens almost everytime i even ask the people that get picked as host and wher theyre from everytime the answer is american Videogame DISCRIMINATION
Cruchto 6 months ago
@Cruchto
Ever consider that maybe the servers are located in the U.S. and since players from the U.S. are closer to the servers they have a better connection than you thus the reason they get host.
gr33nrice323 6 months ago
@gr33nrice323 if theyre located in the US how come sometimes i enter a 5 bar match? Plus these arent dedicated servers that are planted over the countries(that would be cool) the host is "supposedly" chosen to be best for the majority of people to have a good connection. Having 11 people from my area and 1 american and choosing him as host is in no way the majority
Cruchto 6 months ago
@Cruchto same thing happened to me. i got attack dogs on nuketown, connection interrupted. great, thanks host. i will be honest i don't remember so much lag on mw2, but i like the levels on black ops more than mw2. so i keep coming back. if only infinity ward and treyarch could be friends and just make one great call of duty game. let infinity ward handle everything except level design and zombies. just a thought
TheMadeMan89 6 months ago
3:34
I make that sound when I step on a thumbtack
teeman9266 6 months ago
I have this bullshit all the time. And now I hear the bastards are buffering ping? WTF? Treyarch is crap, and so are their games.
fearjar 6 months ago
this video made me hate the COD franchise even more... battlefield 3 FTW
muttdawg509 6 months ago
Lol I pay $100 a month with a 50/5mbps connection and I still get lag >50% of the time...
TruXByakuya 6 months ago
This vid is great it shows perfect examples of over 50% of c.o.d. lag without servers it will only get worse
ClanKrnc 6 months ago
black ops sucks donky balls overall
Th3p0lic3 6 months ago
This guy sounds really similar to stainer from shes out of my league
BL4RG1S 6 months ago
just*
mtzjuan16 6 months ago
i jusy fucked my black ops' case up because of this... if i there was a way to fix this then i know i would love the game. i get only one or two lag free games every week. so damn irritating!
mtzjuan16 6 months ago
wowowoowowowow thats why my accuracy is bad
Jayy2Waveee 6 months ago
@Pl0xability Yes all games, dedicated server or not, is gonna have a bit of lagg. Thats why most games try to pair people up in the same continent. MW2 and other P2P games has good host selection and the hit boxes and hit detection is crisp. If your constantly having that terrible of games in every game mabey you should check your ISP and do a speed test?
Doesnt matter though. Your gonna always believe dedicated servers is the fix all to any problem so mabey CoD just isnt your thing.
dansbangin 6 months ago
nah dedicated servers would make it a lot better for black ops, because the lag is probably because most people who are the hosts cant support theater mode and all the other bandwidth eating services i.e. playercards and that. so theres going to be a lag between you and the host even if your ping is fine?,
With black ops dedicated servers, they could have a dedicated server in the UK and several in USA, ofcourse there will be a tiny microsecond of lag, but this needed for black ops not mw2
buzincarl 6 months ago
@buzincarl I dont know.. I could be all wrong and Dedicated servers could be the savior of CoD. I just dont understand how at times my cable internet can be a perfect host to even people in the UK yet when a friend is running fiber optics but cant host an all NA match and gets kicked due to lagg or vice versa. Im just trying to get people to look at other possibiltys of why the lagg and hit detection is so bad in black ops without jumping to the conclusion its due to peer to peer hosting.
dansbangin 6 months ago
@dansbangin
Yeah I'm not sure, I have a 10mbps connection fiber optic, and when I get picked as the host, it cant take it and I get lagged out. I can do it on mw2 and other games but not black ops, so maybe the issue is with the black ops server?
buzincarl 6 months ago
@Pl0xability My point is I do not see a dedicated server fixing this. Many other shooters do not have servers yet run just fine. In fact, MW2 runs great without dedicated servers and I dont remember WaW running as bad as Black Ops. Just because there is really bad hit detection and some lagg does not mean the problem is Peer to Peer hosting.
dansbangin 6 months ago
So basically Black Ops is the worst COD of all time? Yeah.
ImJustNotMad 6 months ago
HOST LAG!! That is an oxy moron. only Treyarch could make something like this exist. I have the best cable internet = I am usually picked as host. This gives the advantage to the cheapest f*cker in the ghetto with crap dsl. They get the kill while i'm shooting blanks again.
TheLateat421 6 months ago
yeah thats horrible, every time i die with this fucking lag. FUCK YOU TREYARCH!
simsoueumaria 6 months ago
Fuck that sh*t
switching to battlefield
ed5639 6 months ago
lead shot
trillfire 6 months ago
my blood boils just watching this. f&%@ you treyarch!
benGman94 6 months ago
vary vary good vid , it really points out that they need to make host servers and not let randoms do it :D . but they will never do it lol
nevin221221 6 months ago
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also I've noticed when you are voting for a map, the time between selecting a map and your vote showing up is a pretty good indicator of how the game is going to perform for you. I get at least a half second to 1 second delay most games....just enough time to get killed before you know what hit you
seargentbrainfry 6 months ago
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seargentbrainfry 6 months ago
3:25 <--------- THIS happens to me in I would say 80% of the lobby's I'm in. It happens so much that it has become normal to me and I have adapted my gameplay style accordingly, I feel like I have to make every bullet count, yet I get sprayed and die. So frustrating. BUT I know that when MW3 comes out and doesn't suffer from these problems I will be a fucken raging beast because my snap has had to be so finely tuned in order to get any kills in Black Ops. Just go play MW2 and notice the diff.
seargentbrainfry 6 months ago
@seargentbrainfry bad new mw3 is probably gonna have mw2 connection. No dedicated servers
Cruchto 6 months ago
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@Cruchto at least mw2 connection is better than treyarch bullshit connection. it makes me rage
BEARARMZ 6 months ago