I have to agree with many on here that all Germans were not fighting for Hitler,just as all Americans were not fighting for Roosevelt; but as always, the winners get to write the History Books...
Its so sad how many brave young men die on these flagships. Nothing this great can last very long. God bless the dead from the Hood,Bismarck,Tirpitz,Arizona,Yorktown,Royal Oak, and any other sunken vessel with casualties. Thumbs up if you admire these young and senior crew members that are alive or KIA.
Deutschlandlied wasn't banned by the allies, West Germany chose to use only the last verse of the anthem (in part because Germany's borders no longer reflected those given in the famous first verse of the song)
Beautiful ship, great Captain, formidable Crew, The war-like days are over. The victories of its great career are but a tale to be told. Sailed victorious, sunked invictus, Glory to the Graf Spee!
acording to the international law admiral graf spee cant stay loger than 72 hours in the neutral port montevideo the captain langsdorff lag of amo and the necessary repair need over two weeks. the captain is unwilling to let his damaged ship to fight another day and he knows that the british ships is waiting so he odered to scuttled the ship and he commited suicide.if he unwilling to fight for hitler he wont start from the beginning
Alemania te meten preso por Nazi, que seas Aleman no me parece mal,cuando yo era pibe habian otros niños Alemanes
y nos llevamos muy bien en la Escuela
incluso mis padres nunca nos inculcaron el odio hacia los Alemanes y ellos habian sufrido la 2nd guerra mundial en Europa.Viva Alemania pero sin Nazis!!!
Amazing grace?! Are you an idiot? Why on earth did you put that shit on a excellent slide show? Maybe you should try with BOMBEN AUF ENGELAND instead!
Please note Abastin, that I'm not disputing the agreement of the soldiers in the wider activities and politics of Nazism - there's a lot of evidence to suggest that many disagreed; and I think it would have been a very difficult, if not fatal, decision indeed to have refused to serve.
However, in serving a state you ulimately serve it's character - hence Nazis.
@spukgeist At this point Hitler and the NSDAP was Germany, as Germany was Hitler. The whole country was characterized by the party. There flags were one. There anthems were one. Hence the name Nazi Germany. Im sick of all these Germans saying they had no loyalty to Hitler. Yet you answered his call, took his oath, and did unspeakable crimes in his name.
Cannot agree. Under military rules, soldiers and sailors could not belong to any political party. Although most officers were clearly antisemitic, Capt. Langsdorff and most of his crew were an (honourable) exception. Great upload spukgeist.
Dobermanns, I'm not raising the issue of party membership - I'll refer to you my final line:
"However, in serving a state you ulimately serve it's character."
Langsdorff's reputation is sound, and contemporary testimony has secured a favourable view of this fine officer; however, he sailed in service of the Nazi regime.
As Spukgeist notes, not all fought for Hitler; it's just a shame that, for so long, Hitler's objectives became Germany's.
Thanks for replying. Langsdorff joined the Naval Academy well before Hitler gained power, and would be hard (and dishonorable) to resign. He cannot be blamed for the atrocities of the state, the same way we cannot blame the officers and troops in Irak for invading based on false arguments (no WMD).
No, not blame - as in, he personally hand a hand in those decisions; it's guilt by extension.
As a reservist, who has been to Iraq with the British Army, I find myself in the same boat. You're doing a job, but that job can be compromised by policy decisions and whatnot higher up.
Langsdorff was noted for his refusal to use the Nazi salute - a real character!
Good comment gust0o. You must be referring to that famous 1939 photograph at Buceo Cemetery in Montevideo were everybody is using the nazi salute (even the priest!) but Langsdorff used correctly the Naval salute. You are right: a real character! and -in my opinion- not a nazi at all.
the captin of this ship didnt want any thing to do with the nazis. most navel officers didnt. when he gave the order to abdon ship that night he killed his self wraped in the old emperal flag of germany that was used during ww1.
"Honourable" is just an opinion, not a fact. But they were truly an exception: most of the crew decided to stay in Uruguay (remember it was in the early stages of WWII), many of them established a german colony in the countryside (Colonia). This decision may indicate their refusal to fight for the nazi regime.
I Fully Respect All The Brave German Sailors Of The DKM Graf Spee. They Fought valiantly for their country. I Don't Believe The The Germans Wehrmacht Were Nazis. They Where Trying To Serve Their Country The Best They Could. May The Couragous Sailors Of The Mighty DKM Graf Spee Rest In Peace & God Bless Them. I fully Respect all sides of World war 2 either it's american, british, French, Russian, German, Japanese, Italian, etc. They were only answering their country's call to duty.
Jnr. Officers and crew (due to accomodation problems) were transferred to Altmark, where they 'enjoyed' a much less than 'Graf Spee' welcome from her very anti-British Kapitan Dahl, and kept in appalling conditions, until rescued by HMS Cossack.
So you're BOTH right,in a way.
Anyway, R.I.P. to ALL the young guys who lost their lives in this battle.
You're both a little bit right (a little bit wrong).
Langsdorff was certainly no Nazi, (more Imperial German Navy)and was privately ashamed of being ordered to conduct 'Commerce Warfare', as it is a form of 'piracy' (Depending of course, WHICH side you're on. LOL). He definately took great pains to ensure no loss of life,
His crew (at this stage of the War) were not predominantly Nazi but simply young boys, just like ours.
Captured Captains and Snr. Officers were kept aboard
@Mancastrian Who is passing around the BS that so many soldiers, sailors and airmen in the German military were "Nazi's" ?
Not to argue against your comment but I see this everywhere!
Nearly a complete fabrication and pure propaganda.
If the definintion of a Nazi is being a member of the Nazi party, then we are talking a tiny insignificant fraction of soldiers of all rank were actual members.
I would like to see anyone come up with facts that prove otherwise.
The great Graf Spee and her fearless nazi crew! Loved sinking defeceless merchant ships but ran like cowards before a smaller RN force and showed the world the true nazi spirit by scuttling themselves rather than getting the good trashing they deserved from the good old RN!!
the crew werent nazi and neather was the captin. if you look her up the captin didnt kill his self under the german flag. he killed hiself onder the old imperal flag from ww1. get you fact straght or i will band u
The ship and her captain sailed under the nazi flag (look at the badges on her deck) Thery also commited piracy by sinking defencless merchantships.Deny that if you can son! As for banning people whos views you dont like, that was also a nazi trick so have a look in the mirror! Any more threats and I will ban you loser!
all german ships of the time had the markings ong the deck. piracy is when you hire a ship to fight for a country. this ship was built to stop english trade and later envade england. there was no piracy because the merchantships had 5in guns to defend aganist uboats and 20mm guns to help aganist aircraft.
Complete rubbish. Piracy is the sinking of undefended merchant ship[s against all international treaties of civilised conduct. Just what Graf Spee did. Little or no british merchant ships had 5" orany other guns. Get real
Wrong again son, many of theBritish prisoners were transfererd to the german ship Altmark and were rescued by RN off Norway. Oh by the way,Graf Spee also attacked one British ship whilst flying the French flag, another pirate trick, no doubt being ashamed of their own identity. None of the British ships sunk by her carried any guns at all (rather than the 5" that you have dreamed up, which in any case would have ben no serious match for G Spee's 11")
i was wrong about the 5 in guns but later inthe war the merchants do get 5 in to defend from u boats and radiers. the usage of a forign flag in combat. watch the video El Graf Spee y la Batalla del Río de la Plata. it tills the story about graf spee. the prisoners were left asore and transferd to a german frighter in netrual waters. u were right again. if you want to call any german naval ships pirate u should call the u boatmen priates. this was an intresting agument with you.
Thank you for your discussion. It is well to air both sides of any argument. That is how we all learn. I wish you success with your future video work you have a gift for it.
You are wrong, merchant ships were stopped , crew transferred on board the Spee and the ship was then sunk. It was an enemy ship with supplies for the enemy.Just read the testimony of the crews. Veterans from both sides used to reunite years after to render tribute to fallen comrades.Millington Drake wrote his book with the help of Capt Rasenack. One the English Ambassador the other a Senior Officer on the Spee.Analize with a historic view please
DERZWERGE11 You pollute the memory of an honourable foe, and true humanitarian with your 'ersatz' South American Nazi excreta. So here's a song, especially for you. To be sung while naked (except for Jackboots) to the Nazi National Anthem: Life presents a doleful picture. All around is dark and gloom. Adolf's got an anal stricture, Eva's got a fallen womb. In the corner, Uncle Heinrich, never laughs, and seldom smiles. Mine's a dismal occupation, cracking ice, for Goering's piles !
i blocked and removed the comments. if there isany more trash talk about this the same will come t you. what happen in the past stays in the past. so stop complaning
You are wrong not every German was a NAzi. After the scuttling Hitler orders were to reduce Langsdorff family's pension to a half as he was furious with the loss of the ship. Who is a Nazi? we for giving shelter to german soldiers (later POW)or USA hiring Von Braun and many others after the war?
No, you're quite right - not every German was a Nazi. But those who served the state, in whatever capacity, did support the Nazi regime. That goes from acquiesence, to direct service.
The Germans themselves were very much aware of this - and it's reflected in their national approach to this period, which has been very dignified.
German soldiers supported their mother land dispite she was ruled by the NAzi regime.I'm sure not every soldier in mid east supports their gvnmnt ( British or America) ideas but the serve their homeland nevertheless.During the "Pacific war" (Chile and Peru- LAte XIXth century) there were members of the same families on both sides, they HAD to fight against each other despite their feelings. That is war.
I think it's a very long shot, and in some poor taste, to compare the current situation in the east with Nazism.
Disagreements about the war in Iraq, and elsewhere, reflect the ultimate rule of democracy - which, I think, most soldiers would claim to support; the German soldiers of 1939-45 were operating under the rule of Nazism, and their efforts were directed to it's ends.
Well, nobody compares middle east with nazi regime. It seems to me too much to affirm that "soldiers" (that means all soldiers) supported Adolf's delirium. If it were so they would have been prosecutad after the war and only a bunch were taken to court, may others moved to the states or england or canada and lived in good friendship with former enemies.Look for "Charlie browns B 17" It is a good example. Happy New Year, Alec
That is not so, the whole ship was demolished by KApt zur zee Frederick Rasenack and the most important system of the ship was the telemetre which was totally destroyed.The Brits send the fake info that the Cumberland and some more battleships were already closing the River Plate. Hence he was made to think there was no way out and Langsdorff chose not to sacrifice 1000 youg lives in a senseless carnage, scuttle the ship and do away with his life Very nice video
In 1997 as a member of the Canadian Navy my ship visited Buenos Aires, Argentina and Montevideo, Uruguay. The Graf Spee is scuttled in the River Platte near the channel leading to Motevideo Harbour. The only portion of the ship still visible is the top of the center mast and a couple of cross yardarms. The channel passes within 400 meters of the wreck. Very interesting site to see.
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A thing frequently forgotten is that the Graf Spee did frequently fly the old penant of the High Seas Fleet from WW1, Langsdorf was a war vet and one of the few honorable Captains during that era,sadly he was found shortly after dead by his own hand.
Admiral Gubther Lutjens, Portreyed in "Sink the Bismarck!" as a true Nazi, was a very nice man. Wish I could have met him. Most German captains would let the men get off the merchent vessels before they sank them.
Thats not totally true. Langsdorff was a great man, but he fought for the nazi Germany, so he was employee of nacists, thats almost like he was nazi. He was a honourable man, but you cant say he wasnt nazi, same for Lütjens.
Also, read Captain Patrick Dove's book, "I Was Graf Spee's Prisoner!" (if you can find it) for a up close account. Also (again if you can find it) the movie "Pursuit of the Graf Spee" with Peter Finch and Anthony Quayle is worth a look too.
Pocket battleships, because they were really heavy cruisers, were a great deception.
Interesting and good photos but "I once had a Comrade" (Ich Hatt' einen Kameraden) should be used instead of "Amazing Grace." Also, and as suggested, you add more about the classic "phoney war" era sea battle between Langsdorf's Graf Spee and the HMS Ajax, HMS Achilles, and HMS Exeter. Also Captain Langsdorf, a traditional Kriegsmarine commander (not a NAZI) is worthy of attention as well.
Ive a history program that says until that battle, no-one had died in combat. He made sure all crews of ships to be sunk were safely evacuated and supplied. Ironically a relative of mine in the merchant marine said a jap sub did the same thing after sinking them.
Surfacing to hand out more lifeboats and supplies, even reported their location for rescue once safely away.
war is a shame.
nahuhell 7 months ago
did any niggers die?
ericvonp 7 months ago
@ericvonp you are child, please go to sleep.
nahuhell 7 months ago
@nahuhell o thats right...germans were white.
ericvonp 7 months ago
She was a beautiful ship. I am not advocating Nazism, simply admiring beautiful marine architecture.
freethoughtmusic 10 months ago
RIP brave men! Ideology had nothing to do with their sacrifice! By the way, Captain Langsdorff committed suicide; honor taken to the extreme.
Peace!
Miguel
Jedermann101 10 months ago
I have to agree with many on here that all Germans were not fighting for Hitler,just as all Americans were not fighting for Roosevelt; but as always, the winners get to write the History Books...
BlueSharkVP6 11 months ago
Its so sad how many brave young men die on these flagships. Nothing this great can last very long. God bless the dead from the Hood,Bismarck,Tirpitz,Arizona,Yorktown,Royal Oak, and any other sunken vessel with casualties. Thumbs up if you admire these young and senior crew members that are alive or KIA.
Republic19864 11 months ago
very nice, keep it going, who knows how long we'll have the right to share even history? so keep it going!
RomulusDeTroys 11 months ago
Jawoll, Guido laesst den Kahn heben :D !!!
Fr4nkWh1te 1 year ago
Muy lindas imagenes! un gran barco!
Hoy descansa en las aguas de Montevideo.
Hace poco tiempo se rescato el aguila, espero que pronto el estado Uruguayo haga un museo, ya que el Graf Spee es parte tambien de nuestra historia.
Saludos para todos.
MrAllbsas 2 years ago 2
Deutschlandlied wasn't banned by the allies, West Germany chose to use only the last verse of the anthem (in part because Germany's borders no longer reflected those given in the famous first verse of the song)
TashkentFox 2 years ago
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"gloria" al "graf von spee"!!!!!!!! que viva la kriegsmarine por siempre!!!!!!!! buenos aires, republica argentina!!!!!!! sieg hail!!!!!!!
a4xlt247 2 years ago
Beautiful ship, great Captain, formidable Crew, The war-like days are over. The victories of its great career are but a tale to be told. Sailed victorious, sunked invictus, Glory to the Graf Spee!
AGamio 2 years ago
acording to the international law admiral graf spee cant stay loger than 72 hours in the neutral port montevideo the captain langsdorff lag of amo and the necessary repair need over two weeks. the captain is unwilling to let his damaged ship to fight another day and he knows that the british ships is waiting so he odered to scuttled the ship and he commited suicide.if he unwilling to fight for hitler he wont start from the beginning
VIadmirLenin 2 years ago
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Diego3145 2 years ago
Mira Diego no se te fue un poco la mano
con lo del Sieg Heil, mucho no? si vas a
Alemania te meten preso por Nazi, que seas Aleman no me parece mal,cuando yo era pibe habian otros niños Alemanes
y nos llevamos muy bien en la Escuela
incluso mis padres nunca nos inculcaron el odio hacia los Alemanes y ellos habian sufrido la 2nd guerra mundial en Europa.Viva Alemania pero sin Nazis!!!
sarsanch 2 years ago 2
Amazing grace?! Are you an idiot? Why on earth did you put that shit on a excellent slide show? Maybe you should try with BOMBEN AUF ENGELAND instead!
curburlija 2 years ago
The Graf Spee still lays on the same spot where it sunk?
Memorial4Ships 3 years ago
I believe it was eventually cut up because it was a hazard to navigation in Montevideo harbor
ffrick73 2 years ago
Hitler kaput
statoi12 3 years ago
Please note Abastin, that I'm not disputing the agreement of the soldiers in the wider activities and politics of Nazism - there's a lot of evidence to suggest that many disagreed; and I think it would have been a very difficult, if not fatal, decision indeed to have refused to serve.
However, in serving a state you ulimately serve it's character - hence Nazis.
gust0o 3 years ago
the soilders off worldcwar 2 didnt all fight for hitler. my grand father fought for his country. not for hitler
spukgeist 3 years ago
@spukgeist same thing unfortunatly .
blobby1972 1 year ago
what does that mean
spukgeist 1 year ago
@spukgeist It's called throwing a blanket of guilt over every German during the war.
An argument you can punch hole into all day long.
I also had relatives in German military then, an Opa that was a member of the German Bund also had two friends who were members of a
Fallschirmjager unit near Normandy.
Yes, the horrific attrocities exist, but the list of exceptions to the above blanket argument is without end, be proud of your Grandfather.
rampking1 4 months ago
@spukgeist At this point Hitler and the NSDAP was Germany, as Germany was Hitler. The whole country was characterized by the party. There flags were one. There anthems were one. Hence the name Nazi Germany. Im sick of all these Germans saying they had no loyalty to Hitler. Yet you answered his call, took his oath, and did unspeakable crimes in his name.
RvBphil 1 year ago
Cannot agree. Under military rules, soldiers and sailors could not belong to any political party. Although most officers were clearly antisemitic, Capt. Langsdorff and most of his crew were an (honourable) exception. Great upload spukgeist.
101Dobermanns 3 years ago
Dobermanns, I'm not raising the issue of party membership - I'll refer to you my final line:
"However, in serving a state you ulimately serve it's character."
Langsdorff's reputation is sound, and contemporary testimony has secured a favourable view of this fine officer; however, he sailed in service of the Nazi regime.
As Spukgeist notes, not all fought for Hitler; it's just a shame that, for so long, Hitler's objectives became Germany's.
Good comment, appreciate the debate!
gust0o 3 years ago
Thanks for replying. Langsdorff joined the Naval Academy well before Hitler gained power, and would be hard (and dishonorable) to resign. He cannot be blamed for the atrocities of the state, the same way we cannot blame the officers and troops in Irak for invading based on false arguments (no WMD).
101Dobermanns 3 years ago
No, not blame - as in, he personally hand a hand in those decisions; it's guilt by extension.
As a reservist, who has been to Iraq with the British Army, I find myself in the same boat. You're doing a job, but that job can be compromised by policy decisions and whatnot higher up.
Langsdorff was noted for his refusal to use the Nazi salute - a real character!
gust0o 3 years ago
Good comment gust0o. You must be referring to that famous 1939 photograph at Buceo Cemetery in Montevideo were everybody is using the nazi salute (even the priest!) but Langsdorff used correctly the Naval salute. You are right: a real character! and -in my opinion- not a nazi at all.
101Dobermanns 3 years ago
How do you know they were an honourable exception!!!
sarsanch 2 years ago
the captin of this ship didnt want any thing to do with the nazis. most navel officers didnt. when he gave the order to abdon ship that night he killed his self wraped in the old emperal flag of germany that was used during ww1.
spukgeist 2 years ago
"Honourable" is just an opinion, not a fact. But they were truly an exception: most of the crew decided to stay in Uruguay (remember it was in the early stages of WWII), many of them established a german colony in the countryside (Colonia). This decision may indicate their refusal to fight for the nazi regime.
101Dobermanns 2 years ago
You're probably right,the moment that they
decided to stay in Uruguay demonstrated
their unwillingness to fight for Hitler,no
I'm not against the Germans, as a matter
of facts those that I knew were very correct
people in the way that a Spaniard can understand.
sarsanch 2 years ago
Great ship!
R.I.P
ANSuedNds 3 years ago 3
ese barco se undio en costas de URUGUAY
AldoAlonso89 3 years ago
although he served under a nazi regime,landsdorff was a gentleman.
dylan0572 3 years ago 4
Excelent tribute video and soundtrack. Congratulations spukgeist, keep up your good work. Regards from Montevideo.
101Dobermanns 3 years ago 4
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Go DOWN BASSTARDS!!!!!
misterpeaky 3 years ago
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I HATE THAT CAPTAIN OF GRAF SPEE
Andersfh1983 3 years ago
and y do you hate the captin my friend. if your going to amke a rud comment explain
spukgeist 3 years ago
Heroico!!!
SEtendConExocetLargo 3 years ago 3
I Fully Respect All The Brave German Sailors Of The DKM Graf Spee. They Fought valiantly for their country. I Don't Believe The The Germans Wehrmacht Were Nazis. They Where Trying To Serve Their Country The Best They Could. May The Couragous Sailors Of The Mighty DKM Graf Spee Rest In Peace & God Bless Them. I fully Respect all sides of World war 2 either it's american, british, French, Russian, German, Japanese, Italian, etc. They were only answering their country's call to duty.
AmericanPatriot957 3 years ago 14
No respect to japanese. NONE. Hardly any for Russians
GordonALWAYS 3 years ago
mi abuelo estubo en ese barco
tengo algunas fotos y algunas medallas.
suerte0 3 years ago 3
they sank it themselve
waldbacher1886 3 years ago
Jnr. Officers and crew (due to accomodation problems) were transferred to Altmark, where they 'enjoyed' a much less than 'Graf Spee' welcome from her very anti-British Kapitan Dahl, and kept in appalling conditions, until rescued by HMS Cossack.
So you're BOTH right,in a way.
Anyway, R.I.P. to ALL the young guys who lost their lives in this battle.
Mancastrian 3 years ago 4
Peace Guys!
You're both a little bit right (a little bit wrong).
Langsdorff was certainly no Nazi, (more Imperial German Navy)and was privately ashamed of being ordered to conduct 'Commerce Warfare', as it is a form of 'piracy' (Depending of course, WHICH side you're on. LOL). He definately took great pains to ensure no loss of life,
His crew (at this stage of the War) were not predominantly Nazi but simply young boys, just like ours.
Captured Captains and Snr. Officers were kept aboard
Mancastrian 3 years ago 7
@Mancastrian Who is passing around the BS that so many soldiers, sailors and airmen in the German military were "Nazi's" ?
Not to argue against your comment but I see this everywhere!
Nearly a complete fabrication and pure propaganda.
If the definintion of a Nazi is being a member of the Nazi party, then we are talking a tiny insignificant fraction of soldiers of all rank were actual members.
I would like to see anyone come up with facts that prove otherwise.
rampking1 4 months ago
The great Graf Spee and her fearless nazi crew! Loved sinking defeceless merchant ships but ran like cowards before a smaller RN force and showed the world the true nazi spirit by scuttling themselves rather than getting the good trashing they deserved from the good old RN!!
paulnigelh 3 years ago
the crew werent nazi and neather was the captin. if you look her up the captin didnt kill his self under the german flag. he killed hiself onder the old imperal flag from ww1. get you fact straght or i will band u
spukgeist 3 years ago
The ship and her captain sailed under the nazi flag (look at the badges on her deck) Thery also commited piracy by sinking defencless merchantships.Deny that if you can son! As for banning people whos views you dont like, that was also a nazi trick so have a look in the mirror! Any more threats and I will ban you loser!
paulnigelh 3 years ago
all german ships of the time had the markings ong the deck. piracy is when you hire a ship to fight for a country. this ship was built to stop english trade and later envade england. there was no piracy because the merchantships had 5in guns to defend aganist uboats and 20mm guns to help aganist aircraft.
spukgeist 3 years ago
Complete rubbish. Piracy is the sinking of undefended merchant ship[s against all international treaties of civilised conduct. Just what Graf Spee did. Little or no british merchant ships had 5" orany other guns. Get real
paulnigelh 3 years ago
all crew of the ships thatr were sunk were taken off to a netrual harbor. if you dont belive me look up battle of river plates
spukgeist 3 years ago
Wrong again son, many of theBritish prisoners were transfererd to the german ship Altmark and were rescued by RN off Norway. Oh by the way,Graf Spee also attacked one British ship whilst flying the French flag, another pirate trick, no doubt being ashamed of their own identity. None of the British ships sunk by her carried any guns at all (rather than the 5" that you have dreamed up, which in any case would have ben no serious match for G Spee's 11")
paulnigelh 3 years ago
i was wrong about the 5 in guns but later inthe war the merchants do get 5 in to defend from u boats and radiers. the usage of a forign flag in combat. watch the video El Graf Spee y la Batalla del Río de la Plata. it tills the story about graf spee. the prisoners were left asore and transferd to a german frighter in netrual waters. u were right again. if you want to call any german naval ships pirate u should call the u boatmen priates. this was an intresting agument with you.
spukgeist 3 years ago
Thank you for your discussion. It is well to air both sides of any argument. That is how we all learn. I wish you success with your future video work you have a gift for it.
paulnigelh 3 years ago 5
You are wrong, merchant ships were stopped , crew transferred on board the Spee and the ship was then sunk. It was an enemy ship with supplies for the enemy.Just read the testimony of the crews. Veterans from both sides used to reunite years after to render tribute to fallen comrades.Millington Drake wrote his book with the help of Capt Rasenack. One the English Ambassador the other a Senior Officer on the Spee.Analize with a historic view please
abastin1 3 years ago 3
can some one give the the length and gun size of the Graf Spee please.
DSMeclipsegst 3 years ago
Length of Graf Spee 186 mtrs overall
Main Guns 6 X 11"
paulnigelh 3 years ago
Mancastrian 3 years ago
i blocked and removed the comments. if there isany more trash talk about this the same will come t you. what happen in the past stays in the past. so stop complaning
spukgeist 3 years ago
You are wrong not every German was a NAzi. After the scuttling Hitler orders were to reduce Langsdorff family's pension to a half as he was furious with the loss of the ship. Who is a Nazi? we for giving shelter to german soldiers (later POW)or USA hiring Von Braun and many others after the war?
abastin1 3 years ago
No, you're quite right - not every German was a Nazi. But those who served the state, in whatever capacity, did support the Nazi regime. That goes from acquiesence, to direct service.
The Germans themselves were very much aware of this - and it's reflected in their national approach to this period, which has been very dignified.
gust0o 3 years ago 2
German soldiers supported their mother land dispite she was ruled by the NAzi regime.I'm sure not every soldier in mid east supports their gvnmnt ( British or America) ideas but the serve their homeland nevertheless.During the "Pacific war" (Chile and Peru- LAte XIXth century) there were members of the same families on both sides, they HAD to fight against each other despite their feelings. That is war.
abastin1 3 years ago
I think it's a very long shot, and in some poor taste, to compare the current situation in the east with Nazism.
Disagreements about the war in Iraq, and elsewhere, reflect the ultimate rule of democracy - which, I think, most soldiers would claim to support; the German soldiers of 1939-45 were operating under the rule of Nazism, and their efforts were directed to it's ends.
gust0o 3 years ago
Well, nobody compares middle east with nazi regime. It seems to me too much to affirm that "soldiers" (that means all soldiers) supported Adolf's delirium. If it were so they would have been prosecutad after the war and only a bunch were taken to court, may others moved to the states or england or canada and lived in good friendship with former enemies.Look for "Charlie browns B 17" It is a good example. Happy New Year, Alec
abastin1 3 years ago
Why isn't the movie "Pursuit of the Graf Spee" avaliable on dvd yet?
majormannfred 3 years ago
"Graf von Spee" and Langsdorff will never be forget!
Rest in peace Graf Spee..far from your home.
hellcat3 3 years ago 2
That is not so, the whole ship was demolished by KApt zur zee Frederick Rasenack and the most important system of the ship was the telemetre which was totally destroyed.The Brits send the fake info that the Cumberland and some more battleships were already closing the River Plate. Hence he was made to think there was no way out and Langsdorff chose not to sacrifice 1000 youg lives in a senseless carnage, scuttle the ship and do away with his life Very nice video
abastin1 3 years ago
lol bagpipes :D ^^
captainchris12 3 years ago
i once did business with a man who owned and displayed a standard german flag that had been flown over the Graf Spee while it was in service...
ffej980 3 years ago
Was a mistake go into Montevideo
mejor25 3 years ago
no...it was a mistake not fight the british force
DERZWERGE11 3 years ago
agree totaly.
REDRONAN65 4 years ago
iam indian i knew about this battel ship great people
rajivbhide 4 years ago
hootywinger thanks for that Its ashes 2 ashes dust 2 dust
michaelwright999 4 years ago
In 1997 as a member of the Canadian Navy my ship visited Buenos Aires, Argentina and Montevideo, Uruguay. The Graf Spee is scuttled in the River Platte near the channel leading to Motevideo Harbour. The only portion of the ship still visible is the top of the center mast and a couple of cross yardarms. The channel passes within 400 meters of the wreck. Very interesting site to see.
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kayakkahuna 4 years ago
A thing frequently forgotten is that the Graf Spee did frequently fly the old penant of the High Seas Fleet from WW1, Langsdorf was a war vet and one of the few honorable Captains during that era,sadly he was found shortly after dead by his own hand.
MCMan85 4 years ago 2
many German captains were honorable most of the German navy were not nazis
2771 4 years ago 3
I agree with you - Thanks
GenericGene 4 years ago
Admiral Gubther Lutjens, Portreyed in "Sink the Bismarck!" as a true Nazi, was a very nice man. Wish I could have met him. Most German captains would let the men get off the merchent vessels before they sank them.
BismarckIsHuge 4 years ago
so why if he was a nazi?¿¿?
DERZWERGE11 3 years ago
Thats not totally true. Langsdorff was a great man, but he fought for the nazi Germany, so he was employee of nacists, thats almost like he was nazi. He was a honourable man, but you cant say he wasnt nazi, same for Lütjens.
StevieY24 4 years ago
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I saw the movie when I was about 12 and read about the history of the great battleship. The bridge was run by weak and cowedly leadership.
GenericGene 4 years ago
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Coward captian, not crew.
4GDragon 4 years ago
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Agreed
GenericGene 4 years ago
not wanting to kill with out need is not cowardly. he did not fear death. a coward kills evan when it can be avoided. he was no coward far from it.
2771 4 years ago 3
great music
waffen2 4 years ago
Also, read Captain Patrick Dove's book, "I Was Graf Spee's Prisoner!" (if you can find it) for a up close account. Also (again if you can find it) the movie "Pursuit of the Graf Spee" with Peter Finch and Anthony Quayle is worth a look too.
Pocket battleships, because they were really heavy cruisers, were a great deception.
MisterChandu 4 years ago 2
Interesting and good photos but "I once had a Comrade" (Ich Hatt' einen Kameraden) should be used instead of "Amazing Grace." Also, and as suggested, you add more about the classic "phoney war" era sea battle between Langsdorf's Graf Spee and the HMS Ajax, HMS Achilles, and HMS Exeter. Also Captain Langsdorf, a traditional Kriegsmarine commander (not a NAZI) is worthy of attention as well.
MisterChandu 4 years ago
is in uruguay now..
rafamvd 4 years ago
Capt. Langsdorff......A true gentleman by all accounts..
No offence intended to the casualties of Ajax Achilles and Exeter
vincentutopia 4 years ago 3
Ive a history program that says until that battle, no-one had died in combat. He made sure all crews of ships to be sunk were safely evacuated and supplied. Ironically a relative of mine in the merchant marine said a jap sub did the same thing after sinking them.
Surfacing to hand out more lifeboats and supplies, even reported their location for rescue once safely away.
Just when u got war figured.
Wonderar 4 years ago 4
they were all good men R.I.P.
2771 4 years ago
Not bad-too bad you couldn't include a segment on the battle of the river plate before your segment on the sinking. But good video either way.
Peorhum 4 years ago
where do you get GWX. i've seen your clips and i wish i could have battles like the ones you have.
spukgeist 4 years ago
Great stuff!
stabiz 4 years ago
if only silaant hunter had this ship
spukgeist 4 years ago
It is in GWX, I believe.
stabiz 4 years ago