I think at 7:58, Yoel Judah is telling Zab to pull that bitch move that he pulls in the 10th round. Roger Mayweather never does that shit, he wants mothafucka to know what he wants to do.
@andyr001984 Lol Roach is a technical trainier? Since when his two best fighters are volume punchers and there is nothing technical about either of their styles.
@andyr001984 Dude you know nothing about boxing if you think Roach is a technical trainer. The only technical boxer I can remember him having is James Toney and he credits his technical skill to his 1st trainer. Roach just polishes the attributes his fighters already have and thats not to take anything away from him cause he does a damn good job at it. A technical trainer would be in the like of Richardson, Nacho, both Mayweathers, or even Mcgirt but not Roach.
Sound goes for round 6, Judah did absolutely nothing and was getting dominated just like I was saying before. So please show me where the ass kicking took place in rounds 5 and 6 because I saw absolutely nothing on Judahs end other than the silly 52 blocks thing he does at 2:44 and even then when he backs Floyd up in the corner he still didnt really land much clean.
@fredizzle23 Round 5 was all Mayweather, and I challenge you and anyone else to eve try to make a solid argument for Judah "kicking his ass" in that round lol, I need a good laugh.
6:03 Look at the effect of that right hand that landed under Judah's ribcage. He immediately pulled his left arm down and stepped away. He made his weakness VERY obvious to Mayweather.
Zab is getting beat-up because of the constant body work Floyd was dishing out since round 4 and it's starting to sting like hell. Zab is running from the body shots!
Floyd is too fucking skilled. He can come forward, and still be able to beat you to the punches first. He can fight backing up and time you when you get reckless enough to leave yourself open.
THe funny this is floyd never backs up in a fight he play possum but really is the aggressor. He mind fucks boxers. he is way too smart. He uses his brain first then his fist. And that's what it takes to win wars.
Floyd Mayweather lunges forward with his head down, especially when he throws that lead right. One solid left or right uppercut from Manny Pacquiao and Floyd will go down and out.
@flipitonce After he throws the right hand he crowds you so you can't punch back, same thing bernard hopkins does. So it would be hard for Manny to throw a punch let alone a uppercut which would leave him open for a left hook behind the right hand. Zab loves throwing a counter left uppercut but floyd took that away when he throws the straight right and follows it with a hook either to the head or the body.
@MrGharris2009 - Pacquiao is more accurate than Judah and has a better uppercut - and the reaction is fast and almost instantaneous. You may have seen this in the Cotto and Margarito fights.
@flipitonce Cotto and Margarito are light years slower than Floyd and Zab has just as much speed as Pacquiao. Neither Cotto or Margarito have good straight rights. Morales and Marquez were able the neutralize Pacquiao because they had good straight right hands, the money punch against a southpaw. Also don't be surprised to see Floyd fight in the pocket and walk Manny down.
@MrGharris2009 - I mentioned Pacquiao's "accuracy", not just speed, when comparing him with Judah. Pacquiao is way more accurate than Judah when he unloads. I looked closely at how Floyd releases his straight right: if he continues to do it this way against Pacquiao, it's going to be a long night for Floyd.
@flipitonce Floyd throws his right hand only when he knows its there, thats part of being a defensive fighter. When he throws it like I said he falls into the opponent or he'll throw it and slip, he pot shots to avoid getting hit with anything after he throws it, he'll throw a left hook after the right hand but rarely. At the end of the day Floyd boxing skills are just too good and that will be the difference in the fight.
Because they hate him and will say anything to discredit him. That, and most aren't very smart, especially when it comes to boxing.
I mean when was the last time time you heard an INTELLIGENT Mayweather hater? Do they even exist? They can't knock his boxing ability so they're forced to make stuff up. Sad.
@FSMNoodlyAppendage I guess some people dislike Mayweather because a Pacquiao - Mayweather fight hasn't happened yet. Pacquiao is #1 contender, people want to see a Mayweather match up. Then there is the whole 'Floyd ducking Mayweather/Pacquiao using PEDs' rumour, people are just picking sides.
I don't blame Mayweather ,or Pacquiao, that they haven't fought yet. I think it's more to do with managers, but the 'fans' just want to pick sides and call names.
@STONRUNNIT Because he rarely gets hit with anything flush and never been in any real "wars" in the ring because of his boxing skills, and people who don't know shit about boxing equate that with "running".
@STONRUNNIT It's from people who say what they've heard other people say, and as atrue boxing fan i dismiss everything they say after that. Mayweather fought De La Hoya at 154 and Baldomir was 162 the night they fought, so people got angry because Mayweather didnt slug it out toe to toe with bigger men which would have been insane. Pacman could be more offensive against De La Hoya because he was weight drained and fighting at 147! let the haters hate..they dont know shit about boxing
Mosley put ALL HIS POWER INTO THOSE 2 PUNCHES LOL! THAT IS WHY HE ONLY LANDED 2 SHOTS THE WHOLE FIGHT. You saw him breathing heavy in the 3rd and 4th round! Floyd adjusted towards the end of the round and took over from that point on! People were saying VICTOR ORTIZ WAS GOING TO BEAT FLOYD LMBAO! For the same reasons they say MANNY will win. "He's strong" and "He's a southpaw" are the main reasons. ANYBODY BETTING AGAINST FLOYD IS A FOOL! Can't wait for Floyd sends flips back to the filipines
If Pacman hits Mayweather with the shots Judah does, he'll knock him out. We know Mayweather doesn't have a great chin, and we know Pacman hits like a mule kicks.
I'd guess Mayweather can hurt him too. Also, I think Judah is more accurate than Pacman, and a tiny bit quicker.
It should be a good fight. Pacman's power and activity is a problem, but Mayweather's balance, defense, smarts, and ability to relax in the ring make for a pretty even fight.
@jedimind09 Well, I agree, he's got a good chin, but not a great chin. Mosley isn't a big hitter, and he stunned Mayweather twice. Pacman hits a lot harder; virtually everyone who fights him says how hard he hits. Mayweather got hit dead on several times in this fight, and knocked down once (bogus call by the ref). I don't think he can let Pacman hit him as cleanly.
Mayweather is smart though. He'll take fewer chances, and do what he can to avoid it. With his balance, he might.
@TA152H01 Mosley hits a lot harder than pacman pacman may be faster but he doesnt hit harder than mosley no way ... many sparring partners and interviews always say that mosley punches harder than anyone in the welterweight division. the only one who said pacman punches hard is mosley no one else said he punches hard just that he is really fast... IMO i think floyd is too smart in the ring to get caught that much by pacman and hell win the fight but its my opinion and i respect yours
@jedimind09 Well, every fight they say how heavy his hands are. Mosley did say he hit like a mule kicks.
I'd pick Pacman mainly on activity. He's just a lot busier, and judges like that. One of my frustrations with boxing is, the judges often give credit for punches that don't land cleanly because they think they do.
I can so easily see Mayweather after the decision saying he should have been busier.
I wouldn't be shocked if Mayweather won either. It's a close fight.
@TA152H01 what makes you think Floyd doesn't have a chin? he's only been knocked out ummmmm....NEVER...he's only been knocked down ummmmm...NEVER.He was rocked by the hardest hitting welter(Shane) and didn't fold, came back and shut Mosley out!! Just thought i'd point out those facts.42 fights and his asshole never touches the canvass..that sounds like a superb chin to me!
@STONRUNNIT It would to me, if I thought Mosley was the hardest hitting welterweight. I don't.
He got nearly decked twice by a 39 year old. Mosley never hurt Pacman.
If you read what I actually said, I said he has a good chin, just not a great chin. Getting hurt like that isn't a great chin. Still, he's definitely not "chinny". My point is, Pacman can hurt him.
@TA152H01 Mosley VSFloyd was Mosley's last run..i don't want to hear what Mosely didn't do to Pac when Pac ducked Shane immediately after he beat Margarito.Roach told Shane "only if you can 140lb.So the fact that Pac fought Shane 2 losses later and older means nothing.And yes Mosely never hurt Pac, but he has been knocked out twice.Again, to have never been knocked down in your ENTIRE career..means you have a great chin sir!
@STONRUNNIT Well, Mayweather was knocked down by Judah, it just wasn't called a knockdown. He wasn't hurt though.
A great chin to me is a guy like Chuvalo, or Hagler. The reality is, Mayweather hasn't fought a great fighter yet, and we have seen him badly hurt fairly recently. By an old man.
Pacman got knocked out once by a body shot, so that's got nothing to do with his chin. But, I don't think he has a great chin either, but I think he hits harder. Let's hope we get to see.
@TA152H01 well if the best example you can come up with regarding Floyd getting knocked down is his glove bareley knicking the canvass..then i that should tell you something right there lol.And yes Chuvalo and Hagler had great chin as well..cant take nothing from them. You say that Shane hurt Floyd badly? ..well isn't that part of what constitutes having a great chin? Taking the shots, being hurt,handling and absorbing the pressure and coming back to DOMINATE!! Btw,Pac got his ass whooped unite!
@STONRUNNIT A great chin is not to be so hurt in the first place. Now, if that were Tommy Hearns landing it, you'd still give him credit for even standing up, but it was Shane Mosley. If it had been Hearns, he would have woke up next week.
Pacman looked horrible. I scored it a draw, but can easily see why people thought Marquez won. Pacman let Marquez finish all the exhanges, didn't force the fight enough, and would get defensive every time Marquez threw anything.
@TA152H01 Almost every fighter gets "hurt" in a fight..it'a about how you handle being "hurt".I just watched Angullo?Kirkland last week.The heavy handed Kirk hit Angullo with great shots..but it the fight ended with the ref stopping the fight. Now was Angullo hurt? Yes..does he have a chin? i'd say yes! And before you catch amnesia, Shane was one of the hardest hitting natural welterweights! Shane was coming off of a dominant beating of Margarito!
@STONRUNNIT Again, I said Mayweather has a good chin, not a great chin. Mosley is not a big puncher. Look at how few guys he puts away with single shots. He is a good combination puncher, but even a single shot was enough to send Mayweather to wobble-wobble land. Twice.
Mayweather doesn't get hit that often, and he fights mediocre opposition. If he fought someone like Hearns, what would happen?
Marquez wouldn't even be a sparring partner for Hearns or Leonard.
@TA152H01 Please, last time i checked Shane had 46 wins with 39 knockouts! Ask that 39 if Shane has power. Again, just because a natural welterweight wobbles a smaller guy in one fight out of 42 is not enough to convince me that a guy doesn't have a great chin.You need to make a better case play boy.Floyd fights mediocre comp? Genaro, Corrlaes, Castillo,Corley,Gatti , Judah,De La, Hatton, Shane,Marquez,Sharme,..to name a few, these were world class athletes.Getcha research up youngin!
@STONRUNNIT You left out his seven losses, so that gives him 70% KO ratio. Not great. As I mentioned, most of his are with combinations. Only took one to put Mayweather on queer street though.
The guys you mention wouldn't be sparring partners for Hearns or Leonard. Mayweather might be, if he asked nicely. These guys blow. Most think Castillo won. DLH was way past his prime, and gave Mayweather problems. Shane was way too old. No Hearns, Duran, or Hagler in that group.
@TA152H01 First of all, why do you keep mentioning Hearns, Leonard,Duran in every post? Are you trying to bait me to discredit these guys? No, i think they were all great. You say Shane didnt have power because he had a 70% KO ratio? Well Sugar Ray Leonards was only 62%, Hearns 70%, and Duran only 58%. Again, i still think these guys are great, but you need to go back to the drawing board with you logic. The point is, A clean hard power shot from Shane Mosely can hurt any welter!!
@STONRUNNIT You're talking about guys long after their prime. Hearns was 32-0 with 29 knockouts when he fought Leonard. When they were in their primes, the numbers were much higher. Of course, you might say the same about Mosley, but guess what? He fought Mayweather long after his prime at nearly 40.
Mosley didn't hurt a lot of guys, including Pacman. But Pacman hurt him.
Look, it's obvious you love Mayweather. He's not an all -time great; but neither is Pacman.
@TA152H01 Well, since you conveniently factored in Shane's past his prime losses into his KO %..then i did the same for Hearns Duran,and Leonard.Just consider your self owned in this entire debate. And if you think that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is not an all time great, then in the famous words of Roger Mayweather.."YOU DON"T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING!! PEACE!
@STONRUNNIT You're not that stupid, so stop acting like it. Shane WAS past his prime when he fought Mayweather, so his "past his prime" performance is pertinent. Duh.
Hearns, 32-0 with 29 knockouts as Welter. Do the math.
Floyd's uncle is sure unbiased.
Look, really, it's fine you love Mayweather, even though it's man-love. But, really, he's no Ray Leonard, he's no Tommy Hearns. He's good for now, that's it. Love is beautiful, but it's blinding you. Dare to see the truth.
@TA152H01 Floyd is only "good for now?".. You new casual boxing fans need to get your research up. Floyd has been dominating damn near 3 decades now. Name me a fighter who was better than him in the 90's? 96' 97 98' 99' 2000, 01,02, 03, 04,05,06,07,08,09,10,11..name me a better fighter that can beat him now..(and if you even fix you mouth to say Pac you will be laughed off Youtube)..i thought so.
No love affair, i just speak up against ppl that try to discredit this man.simple as that!
@STONRUNNIT I mean, you can't compare him with the truly great fighters, like Hearns, Leonard, Robinson, etc... He's two or three cuts below that class of fighter.
Dominating? He's been avoiding fighters for years. He got a gift against Castillo, a mediocre fighter. He nearly got embarrassed by a 39 year old. He was losing to a washed up De La Hoya until he forgot to throw jabs. He was losing to Judah as well, another guy who's far from great.
@TA152H01 Its funny that Hearns himself is on record saying that Mayweather will fare well against legendary fighters like himself, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Marvin Hagler...But i'm suppose to believe a youtube sideline commentator?
Judah made Floyd's glove knick the ground and your panties got wet, but you forgot Floyd beat his ass for the rest of the fight.This is sad when this is the best example that you have of Floyd not being great.Sad, sad, sad..it must really suck to be a hater!! LOL!!!!!!!
@STONRUNNIT Actually, Hearns said he and Leonard would both destroy Mayweather, and his trainer (Manny Stewart) said Mayweather doesn't belong in the same conversation with Leonard.
Judah was winning the first part of the fight, landing easily on the much slower Mayweather. Only when he got tired did Mayweather take over.
Mayweather has trouble with guys that wouldn't be in the top 10 in the 70s/80s. Even Benitez would own him.
@TA152H01 Again, you are digging yourself in a deeper hole by using the Judah fight as any type of example. So what he had little success early in the fight. As did Hatton, Shane, Corley.Everyone knows that counter punchers start off slow, but once they adjust and figure out angles, distance, etc..then its easy work!! And people kill me saying " If only the opponent didn't get tired".WTF?? This is a 12 round fight and you are a professional ATHLETE.Come in shape like Floyd does..ALWAYS!Excuses!!
@STONRUNNIT What you're forgetting is these guys are chumps. They aren't great fighters that give him trouble. An all time great would have no trouble with these guys. Can you imagine Judah in against Hearns or Leonard? Oh the humanity!
In defense of Mayweather, he does know how to relax in the ring, and he's a smart fighter. It's not his condition..
12 rounds is nothing. Watch Leonard/Duran for 15 rounds to watch real fighters. Mayweather goes 12 at a quarter of that pace.
@TA152H01 So with your logic, Floyd is not great because Judah and Shane landed a good shot etc.Do you know how dumb that sounds? Leonard, Hagler, all of those guys have unanimous decisions against fighters that weren't all time greats.Do you think ALL of their fights were against great opponents? and again, UD means that some of these sub par opponents have had some type of success and good moments,and won some rounds. No fighter in the world dominates every single fight!! FACT!!
@STONRUNNIT Actually, in his prime, Leonard pretty much made mediocre opponents look horrible. Hearns knocked them out. Outside of Duran, Hagler did the same. Leonard would make undefeated guys who never went down, go down.
Mayweather gets hurt by an old man, and has to sucker punch a chump to win.
What makes those guy greats is they fought other greats, and won.
@TA152H01 Sucker Punch..Ok, it's clear to me that you are just a Floyd hater that troll around videos dissing Floyd and mentioning Hearns, Leonard, blah blah.. great fighters but they have had their day.You say Floyd is 3 cuts BELOW those guys? So if they were all "A" fighters..so 3 cuts below makes Floyd what?a "D" fighter.Man you are DELUSIONAL!!!! Again, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Keep hating tho, Floyd needs those!!
@STONRUNNIT Mayweather needs weak fighters so he can keep winning.
I'd rate him a B or even B+ fighter. Hearns and Leonard at Welter would be A+. They were as good as it gets.
Mayweather isn't a great fighter. It's not that I hate him, I see him quite rationally. I don't have man love like you do, and I have no reason to hate him.
I wish he would fight better fighters, but that's my only real gripe against him. And guys like you who think he's better than he really is.
@TA152H01 Man love? Well you are the one on every page constantly bringing up these old-timers.Fact is, we'll never know who is better.We'll never know how a prime Ali vs Tyson would have gone. IN my book, what makes an A fighter is someone with a total package! Speed, defense, ring generalship, boxing iq,athleticism, conditioning/stamina,fight going backwards,chin,heart,skill.Now where does Floy lack?...Crickets!! Who do you want to see him fight? He's leagues past everyone! Not his fault
What makes Mayweather only a fighter good in the context of today is his talent isn't there compared to those guys.
He isn't fast like Leonard or Hearns. He doesn't have a big punch. He's easier to hit than Leonard. He's not very tough. He's only got a good chin. He doesn't throw in combinations as well. He's three cuts below.
To his credit, he's as smart as any guy I've seen in the ring. His balance is superb. He relaxes in the ring, and his concentration is excellent.
@TA152H01FLoyd is not as fast as Leonard? disagree, but speed doesn't win fights, Floyd hits harder than most people think.Floyds defense is mother fuckin topnotch!, Has a good chin, and combinations? That's where boxing IQ comes in. Floyd doesn't need to throw 10 -20 punch combos, he knows how to perfectly place his shots and when.Awesome athleticism. Mainly IQ along with the other factors make him fit to be in the same conversation with those guys.U can't convince me that Floyd is "D" class
@STONRUNNIT Wow, watch Leonard against his Daddy, or against Andy Price. Floyd doesn't approach it. He wasn't even as fast as Judah. Mayweather has never shown good power. He does have a solid chin. His defense is overrated, but still very good. Combinations win against other greats, you don't need them against mediocre fighters. IQ is top notch, I've never seen better. You left out balance. He has excellent balance, and he's got long arms.
@TA152H01 And again, You said Floyd wouldn't even be a sparring parter for those guys? So a B+ fighter doesn't have a chance against an A+ fighter? That doesn't make very much sense. Look doggy, all I'm saying is this kid Floyd is the truth..they will have to build a robot to beat him.They tried to fool ppl and hype up Pac, but that didn't work.Props to the old timers, but this is the present,enjoy the best of THIS era now while you can and quit being so negative.makes u look like a hater!
@TA152H01 Again, this is a pointless argument, as you just don't like Mayweather as illustrated by you previous "Gayweather" remarks..(yep, i've seen them) So it is just clear to me that you just don't like him. You have your opinion, and i have mine..If there are no good boxers today in your opinion, fine, then don't watch boxing, go watch MMA!! Peace!
@STONRUNNIT I've never said I liked Mayweather, and I do think he's a sissy for not fighting Pacman. I'm guessing after that fight though, he will. After watching Pacman look so ordinary, I'd probably pick the Gayman. Before that, I was kind of in the middle.
MMA is barbaric. I can't watch that crap. I can't watch current boxers either, really, they're so bad. I end up watching mostly older fights. I don't know why boxing is in such an abyss now, but it should recover.
@TA152H01 Whoa.. now the Pactard is oooozing out of you. You say "Floyd will now fight after watching Pacman look so ordinary". Floyd announced one week before the Pac fight that he had the MGM reserved for May 5th and he wanted Pac.if you're gonna comment, atleast be knowlegable and current with your info.BTW Pac didnt look ordinary...Pac was Pac..he just lost to a 38 year old lightweight that can box. EVERY 1 knows that Floyd will toy with Pac but u and Skip Bayless!LMAO..
@STONRUNNIT Actually, you sound like a Gaytard. Don't let man-love blind you. It's not wholesome.
Gayweather has backed out from fighting Pacman several times; he's not one to take on a guy he thinks can beat him. But, now, Pacman looked ordinary, so there'll probably be a fight now.
If you could read, you'd see at this point, I'd pick the Gay blade. Pacman made sooooo many mistakes. Bad mistakes. If he can't change, his only chance will be to land a big shot.
@TA152H01 Nah,Floyd never backed out, you were getting your boxing news from ESPN.You say Pac made sooo many mistakes? I've been telling you all that for 3 years now!.The veil has been lifted. The dog and Pony show is over.The truth is finally coming out. And guess who sent Floyd an email first thing Monday morning? We are NOT interested in fighting Floyd at this time.We will pursue a 4th fight with Marquez. They are ducking again!Make a note of this so you will remember who's doing the ducking!
@STONRUNNIT Pacman has no reason now to fight Mayweather. He's got to prove he can beat Marquez. Until he proves that, his legacy is in question. Mayweather is a guy who'll be forgotten after he retires, like a Pernell Whitaker. But, if Pacman can't prove once and for all, he can beat Marquez, that's a big stain on his resume.
But, Mayweather had the chance to make the fight. He had fear in his heart. Now, he doesn't matter, so he'll probably make noise and act brave. He isn't.
@TA152H01 Pac's legacy will be in question? His legacy has always been in question to me! I say he should go ahead and accept the Floyd offer...get knocked out...THEN fight Marquez! The interest in the fight has already diminished..unless Pac goes out and find some new and improved steroids for Marquez 4..it will be the same outcome..or he loses...too risky to do a 4. And fyi Floyd Mayweather is the PPV Cash cow mega star..no way his name will be forgotten..You are delusional!!
@STONRUNNIT People remember the really great fighters, not the guys who made the most. And all the records they make today get broken tomorrow anyway.
Pacman can beat Marquez if he moves his head more, and finishes the exchanges. In other words, stops being such a pussy and goes in their like a slugger. He tries to be cute, and he's not able to do it.
The interest has already dropped, that's why he needs to fight Marquez again, and fight like a man. Take shots to land shots.
@TA152H01 Well, some people are theorizing that Ariza is weening Pac off the Juice to see how he performs because he will definatley be tested when he fights Floyd. That explains the sub par performance. Its an interesting theory but I don't know if i subscribe to it. I just simply believe that by them making Marquez move up in weight (and him being 38) it would give Pac the same advantage he had by draining his opponents,but it back fired!!
@TA152H01 Mayweather backed out the fight? Really? Was this before or after Pacquiao canceled the fight and decided to fight Joshua Clottey who, looked bad in his last performance with Cotto? Careful, You may start to act all high and mighty and decide to call me a Flomo, Floydiot or whatever stupid comment as if i don't know what im talking about but i get my information from the source and thats Arum and Freddie Roach. FR said to ring magazine that Pac was the one who never agreed to the test.
Mayweather asked for terms that were not consistent with professional boxing. Pacquiao agreed to it, with timing restrictions, and Mayweather wouldn't agree. The reality of the situation is, Mayweather DEMANDED terms that were not required in professional boxing, and would not compromise.
He'll be much more likely to go after the fight, because Pacman looked ordinary. He was afraid before, now he won't be.
@TA152H01 Terms? No. Term? Yes thats correct. he asked for an OSBT. If anybody had multiple demands it was Pacquiaos group. Even split, 10 million for every pound over 147. 8oz Gloves. Bigger Ring and a specific type of glove. Mayweather agreed. So what was there to compromise when Freddie Roach says sure he will agree to testing, then back out and then go to face Joshua Clottey. So what exactly were these terms Floyd begged for that weren't required. Also, you do know Manny stopped the fight???
@BlackOwnedDollars I assume you're referring to Olympic drug testing. Well, this isn't the Olympics, and the drug testing Mayweather demanded wasn't the norm in professional boxing.
147 was the weight class they agreed to fight at, and there's always a penalty for going over weight. 8 ounce gloves are also the norm for 147 pounds. Bigger ring than what? There's no standard size. All of this is nonsense.
Pac agreed to testing with certain time parameters.
@TA152H01 It is allowed in boxing for you to ask for additional testing. Besides, that's nothing more than an excuse. Only cheaters dislike tests that ensure you're not cheating. You telling me that you have no problem with Manny testing with the NSAC that cheaters can pass but asking for a test that makes sure you're clean is wrong? Yeah, great logic there. Yes, there is a standard size. And again you negate what i say. Manny had his demands, why cant Floyd have one?
@BlackOwnedDollars What you're saying aren't demands. That's like saying Pacman asked for a square ring. Everything is STANDARD for a professional fight. "Demanding" 8 ounce gloves is ludicrous, that's what is used for welterweight fights.
A small ring would favor Pacman, not a big ring. It's not clear to me why you'd think Pacquiao would want a big ring.
Pacquiao agreed to get blood tests, but not very close to the actual fight. He then moved even closer, but May wouldn't fight.
@TA152H01 anytime you a fighter who denies a drug test in the 1st place that raises questions it no longer becomes an issue of floyd demands anything. shane mosely never hesitated to take the test and we all know his story why cant paq do it? 4words. BOB ARUM, FREDDY ROACH.
@matt2fresh84 Part of me agrees with that, because I remember Pacquiao saying he didn't want a drug test that soon because the blood loss would weaken him. It made no sense at all, because your body stores extra blood in the spleen, and that amount is rebuilt pretty quickly.
But, it was probably an ego thing and posturing. Mosley needed that fight, Pacquiao doesn't need Mayweather. Mayweather likes to play head games, and he didn't want to fight Pacman. He probably does now.
@TA152H01 its never been about floyd being scared or not wanting to fight paquiao....do you know how many times critics have said that floyd was scared? they said that about castillo (going into the 2nd bout) zab judah(because judah is just as quick n fats as floyd that is a southpaw) shane mosely, an undefeated ricky hatton, de la hoya coming off a good win & just before his true decline. the notion that "floyd doesnt want paquiao" is propaganda. doesnt make sense IF you followed his career.
@matt2fresh84 Judah was coming off a bad performance, and is actually considerably quicker than Mayweather. Luckily for Mayweather, Judah has really short arms.
Castillo is nothing. Mosely? You mean a nearly 40 year old? Ricky Hatton? LOL! A past his prime De La Hoya, who almost beat him, and who got knocked out by Pacman? Your list shows exactly my point.
Let's be real, we all know Mayweather isn't a real tough guy like Hagler, etc... He's scared to lose.
@TA152H01 WHAT POINT?! castillo nothing? he is the ONLY fighter to have a case in beating mayweather...many say that castillo won the 1st fight. so floyd fights him again in the SAME CALENDAR year & beats him convincingly. more than i can say for paquiao who cant do that with JMM....Floyd fought an UNDEFEATED ricky hatton, Mosely who came off a huge KO win, & de la hoya who was in his NATURAL WEIGHT! floyd beat all 3 & paq fought left overs coming off of bad losses. so i ask again WHAT POINT?!
@matt2fresh84 My point that Mayweather has made a career without fighting a single great fighter, and that's how he wants it.
Castillo is nothing. He's, at best, a decent fighter. He's lost many fights, and the fact he gave Mayweather a fight tells you more about Mayweather than Castillo.
A scrub, a guy near 40, a guy way past his prime that was 2-2 in his last four fights, and who got knocked out by Pacman. This is how you prove he isn't scared? Kind of proves the opposite.
@TA152H01 so what does that make paquiao? who cant even definitively put away a 38 year old without a shadow of a doubt like he said he was! paquiao is fighting the same fighters as floyd yrs after he fights them! LOL but the difference with floyd is that he has fought those fighters coming off wins with momentum! PLUS floyd makes those fighters look past thier primes because he is that good. by saying floyd hasnt fought anyone is false. you know it. you are pitching an empty argument.
@matt2fresh84 I never said Pacquiao was anything great. But, he definitely looked better against De La Hoya and Mosley. Mosley buckled Mayweather badly, and made him hold on for mercy. By contrast, Pacman knocked Mosley down.
Mayweather is just the latest version of Pernell Whitaker, but a bit slower, a bit easier to hit, but smarter, and with longer arms.
@TA152H01 you talking about the mosely fight where floyd didnt even go down? the same mosely fight where floyd dominated the rest of that fight? idk what you watched but thats what happened. floyd beat marquez. paqhasnt beat him definitively like floyd did. there was no debate after floyd fought marquez. but theres doubt with paq tho. & again theres no validity to your argument if you saying floyd hasnt fought "not a single great fighter" but name boxers paq fought that floyd already beat LOL.
@matt2fresh84 Are you not understanding anything I'm saying. Why do you keep acting like I need to defend Pacquiao?
Just so we're on the same page, I don't consider either one of these guys great fighters. And if you put a gun to my head, I'd pick Mayweather after watching Pacman the last fight. He was HORRIBLE. He fought a cowardly fight, and was too afraid of getting hit.
Mayweather will kill him if he fights that way again. He needs to become a fighter again.
@blacktee31 Mayweather doesn't approach great. In their prime, I'd rate Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Larry Holmes, Rocky Marciano, Ray Robinson (overrated, but still excellent), etc... to be great fighters. Guys like Mayweather wouldn't even be on the roadmap in the late 70s and 80s. Even second tier fighters like Donald Curry and Wilfredo Benitez would probably beat him (although, the fights might be competitive).
Boxing now doesn't have the same talent level it did 20-40 years ago.
@TA152H01 You're kidding right? Leonard only had 39 fights and he lost 3 of them. Floyd has fought 42 fighters and at least 4 hall of famers all of which he dominated and he would've fought more had they all been willing to fight him. Floyd is the only fighter in history to move up 5 weight classes undefeated. I'd say that makes him pretty great. And you're joking with those two right? What about either of them makes you think that they would beat Floyd?
@blacktee31 I said Leonard in his prime, not at 40.
Winning against lousy fighters doesn't make you great. Leonard was much faster, had better defense, better power, better chin, better form, better endurance. There were no flaws.
Mayweather was losing to De La Hoya when he was jabbing. Nearly got KO'd by a nearly 40 year old Mosley.
Hearns would have knocked him out inside two rounds. Faster, much better reach, much more power, and much tougher.
@TA152H01 I'm talking about Leonard period, all 39 of his fights. His two best fights were against Duran, he lost to Duran, and fought Hagler, Hearns, and Camacho. It's easier to say he's fought the better competition when everyone he's fought has retired and been recognized already, but realistically speaking Floyd will more than likely face more than the amount of tough competition that Leonard did.
@blacktee31 I have no idea what you're talking about. You don't judge a fighter past his prime. Saying that is like so and so is better than Ali, because he could beat him when he fought Berbick.
If you think Leonard's best fights were against Duran and Hagler, you need to learn more. Hagler was shot, so was Leonard. Leonard fought the worst style, but probably won anyway. He humiliated him the second time though, when he was probably his sharpest.
@TA152H01 I don't know what you're talking about because you don't judge a fighter based on who he's fought and compare him to another by using him in his prime. 42-0 with victories over 6 hall of famers is much more impressive than 36-3 against 4 hall of fame type fighters. And you just discredited one of his victories by saying Hagler was shot so don't even bring him up again.
@blacktee31 There's nothing impressive about a single Mayweather win. He hasn't fought a great fighter in his career. He lost to Castillo, but got a gift.
I could discredit all of Mayweather's victories because he still hasn't fought anyone. DLH was way past his prime, and got raped by Pacman.
@TA152H01 "There's nothing impressive about a single Mayweather win." Well there you go, your bias is clear now so don't even try to argue anymore. I'm done talking because I would only be wasting my time.
Seriously, kid? DLH dropped from 154lbs to 144, he was shot just like you said Duran was. He wasn't WAY passed his prime in 06 when he and Floyd fought.
@blacktee31 how do ppl say de la hoya was passed his prime vs floyd but them say pac beat em down... how was he way past his prime if he was knockin dudes out and was the 154lbs wbc champion... i just dont get it... he was the same age then that floyd is now... bias is unbelievable sometimes
@noeyb18 Agreed. DLH was barley out of his prime if at all, what some people don't realize is that it's real easy to look at a fighter after losing to someone you expected them to beat and say "he was passed his prime." rather than just saying that the other guy was so good that he could beat him at his own weight with his choice of gloves and the advantage of height. They can say he was "passed his prime" all they want but technically Mayweather wasn't in his prime either.
@TA152H01 And you're exaggerating thing. Floyd didn't lose to DLH and it wasn't even close to a loss, the only reason why DLH looked good was because he was throwing a lot of punches, but he didn't make have as many as Floyd did, and on top of that they fought at HIS weight, with HIS choice of glove size. And he didn't almost get koed either, so I don't know what you're talking about. He took that punch and didn't even touch canvas. And I honestly hope you dont think 6'1 middleweight would've
@blacktee31 Hearns was a welterweight, didn't you know that? He was 32-0 with 29 Knockouts going into the Leonard fight, as a welterweight.
DLH sucked balls. But he gave Mayweather a fight, and was winning until he stopped throwing jabs. Can you imagine that clown in against Leonard or Hearns? Oh my. Wouldn't even be worth watching, unless you like ugly beatings.
@TA152H01 Hearns was a middleweight for most of his career, in his prime he was 6'1 and walking around at 160lbs, so no.
DLH is much bigger than Floyd and is a great fighter, a hall of famer. I love how biased you are though, anyone who isn't from the 80's is a clown to you lol.
@blacktee31 Hearns fought most of his fights at 147 pounds. 33 fights. So, you're wrong.
He was most successful at Welterweight.
At 147 pounds Hearns would knock Mayweather out within two or three rounds. I'm not talking about Hearns at 160, who'd knock Mayweather out before he got into the ring.
@TA152H01 Met in the ring with a 5'8 welterweight. SRL was bigger than Floyd, Floyd has a tough chin though. Mosley was 38 btw not 40, it seems to me after reading this post of yours that you're either ignorant to what Floyd has done in his career or you just have a bias for oldschool boxing. I'm guessing it's the latter because you said that leonard had better defense lol. Get outta here bro.
@blacktee31 Mayweather was wobbling all over the ring from Mosley, who was almost 40. Again, almost, 38+ is pretty close.
Not a bias, just I recognize talent. Mayweather doesn't approach that level. Not that many did. Leonard, when he was young, was the most complete fighter to step into the ring.
Watch him fight much better fighters than Mayweather even thinks about, and you can see his defense. Mayweather gets hit, and nearly knocked out by 38 year olds! LOL.
@TA152H01 Wrong, Floyd was staggered once but kept his composure, then his knees buckled and he regained his compsure. Who cares how old he was he was still a great fighter and barley out of his prime, how many fighters could stand up to his speed and power then dominate him for an entire fight? Not a lot.
You're bias whether you choose to admit it or not. Leonard's defense isn't better than Floyd's, neither is his record, he had what you can call better competition.
@blacktee31 Mosley was a perfect fighter for Mayweather. He was very old, had terrible balance (which is why he lost to other fighters), and refused to throw the left to the body even though it landed every time he threw it.
He was way past his prime, look at what Pacman did to him.
Mayweather staggered around the ring like a drunken sailor. He was out on his feet. He got staggered twice in the same round by an old man.
@TA152H01 Leonard is a flashy fighter, great footwork but those speedy combinations he throws leave him open to guys who know how to take advantage, Floyd doesn't throw many combinations and because of that rarely opens himself up to certain shots, his defense is much better than Leonard's. And you must be joking about the most complete fighter think, because it's far from true.
@blacktee31 Actually, Leonard's defense was so good, he could throw those combinations, and rarely got hit back. He could make guys miss shots that would stagger Mayweather. Who wouldn't get hit by a 38 year old with bad balance, and wobble around like an alcoholic.
You have to watch Leonard in his prime. Not Hagler and after. He didn't get hit much at all, despite being offensive, and despite fighting guys that would have killed Mayweather. Mayweather gets hit by scrubs.
0:30 Floyd looks confused. Zab was only throwing 2 good shots. The straight left and the left uppercut that he hides all the time. Zab gives Floyd the angle he wants and catches him leaning in too much just to chase Zab.
Oh well, by 1:35 Floyd looks like his old self again.
Judah is a dangerous fighter. Pac won't destroy Mayweather. In fact I think the fight will be easier than most casual fans anticipate. Look for straight right hands followed by hooks to the head and body when Floyd fights Ortiz and Pac.
From 9:45 to 10:30 as merchant lampley are talking about floyds body punches he starts to hit judah with straight rights to the stomach watch judah drop his hands and floyd catch him with a left then a right to the mouth he sets him up so perfect its unbelievable the nigga is just too cold in the ring
only recently starting to appreciate Mayweather's true talent, incredible fighter.. picks every single punch
RichCwm 22 hours ago
Why did zab get away from his jab !? He started to let mayweather come into close and land his straight right hand and work off that.
xnenedailleztx 6 days ago
This was a good fight.
shyshotcaller27 1 week ago
I bet Lennox is wondering what kind of mean and nasty shit Larry Merchant has said about him in his past fights!
bujoun76 2 weeks ago
came down to condition and wii
1513dayday 3 weeks ago
I think at 7:58, Yoel Judah is telling Zab to pull that bitch move that he pulls in the 10th round. Roger Mayweather never does that shit, he wants mothafucka to know what he wants to do.
walakabro 3 weeks ago
10:25 Mayweather hurts his hand
tenfoldsoffspring 1 month ago
you can tell round 5 on zab was gased thats why roger mayweather called him a front runner and floyd took of business
DJBIGCG 1 month ago
if juda had nacho berinsti he would have beat mayweather
boxing2289nymx 1 month ago
@boxing2289nymx you talkin about marquez's trainer? he didn't help marquez against mayweather though...
nishamessi1 2 weeks ago
@nishamessi1 yeah but marquez is not a real welter thats why he didnt do shit
boxing2289nymx 2 weeks ago
6:21
Amazing speed by Judah amazing reflexes by Mayweather.
FSMNoodlyAppendage 1 month ago
Check out that hook even hattin ass Larry had to give him credit for at about 7:30
BigMemphisMook 1 month ago
Floyd leaned forward face-first way too much in that fight, he'll get caught plenty of times if he try that against Manny.
MrWade365 1 month ago
Jim: Left and over the top by Jud-
Larry: Didn't land!
Lol Merchant hating on someone other than Floyd for once.
blacktee31 1 month ago 4
@blacktee31 Deep down Merchant is a Floyd Mayweather fan
starksalex 1 month ago 11
@starksalex Lol every hater is a fan deep down.
blacktee31 1 month ago 2
If Zab just had more discipline and kept his hands up he coulda beat mayweather. He needs a technical trainer like freddie roach.
andyr001984 2 months ago
@andyr001984 there was no way he could beat mayeather.. after mayweather clocked his game after the first 3 roundds,,,,
ppeeza 1 month ago
@andyr001984 Lol Roach is a technical trainier? Since when his two best fighters are volume punchers and there is nothing technical about either of their styles.
blacktee31 1 month ago
@andyr001984 Dude you know nothing about boxing if you think Roach is a technical trainer. The only technical boxer I can remember him having is James Toney and he credits his technical skill to his 1st trainer. Roach just polishes the attributes his fighters already have and thats not to take anything away from him cause he does a damn good job at it. A technical trainer would be in the like of Richardson, Nacho, both Mayweathers, or even Mcgirt but not Roach.
BigMemphisMook 1 month ago
Sound goes for round 6, Judah did absolutely nothing and was getting dominated just like I was saying before. So please show me where the ass kicking took place in rounds 5 and 6 because I saw absolutely nothing on Judahs end other than the silly 52 blocks thing he does at 2:44 and even then when he backs Floyd up in the corner he still didnt really land much clean.
blacktee31 2 months ago
@fredizzle23 Round 5 was all Mayweather, and I challenge you and anyone else to eve try to make a solid argument for Judah "kicking his ass" in that round lol, I need a good laugh.
blacktee31 2 months ago
Zab Judah's father whispered into Judah's hear to hit Mayweather below the belt. He did it in a sneaky way because the cameras were right there.
Solowizard 2 months ago
6:03 Look at the effect of that right hand that landed under Judah's ribcage. He immediately pulled his left arm down and stepped away. He made his weakness VERY obvious to Mayweather.
FSMNoodlyAppendage 2 months ago
@ approximately 2:44 judah mentally falls apart,
BigOldMrKnish 2 months ago
Zab is getting beat-up because of the constant body work Floyd was dishing out since round 4 and it's starting to sting like hell. Zab is running from the body shots!
bujoun76 3 months ago
222,222 views, now i'ma fuk dat up lol
NoxDeadly 3 months ago
Round 5 to the end = ALL MAYWEATHER
As soon as he started going to Zab's body the fight was as good as over. Judah couldn't take it.
FSMNoodlyAppendage 3 months ago
Floyd is too fucking skilled. He can come forward, and still be able to beat you to the punches first. He can fight backing up and time you when you get reckless enough to leave yourself open.
MrWade365 3 months ago
THe funny this is floyd never backs up in a fight he play possum but really is the aggressor. He mind fucks boxers. he is way too smart. He uses his brain first then his fist. And that's what it takes to win wars.
drewgilchrist 3 months ago
Mayweather the best
MrDurako1 3 months ago
Floyd Mayweather lunges forward with his head down, especially when he throws that lead right. One solid left or right uppercut from Manny Pacquiao and Floyd will go down and out.
flipitonce 4 months ago
@flipitonce After he throws the right hand he crowds you so you can't punch back, same thing bernard hopkins does. So it would be hard for Manny to throw a punch let alone a uppercut which would leave him open for a left hook behind the right hand. Zab loves throwing a counter left uppercut but floyd took that away when he throws the straight right and follows it with a hook either to the head or the body.
MrGharris2009 4 months ago
@MrGharris2009 - Pacquiao is more accurate than Judah and has a better uppercut - and the reaction is fast and almost instantaneous. You may have seen this in the Cotto and Margarito fights.
flipitonce 4 months ago
@flipitonce Cotto and Margarito are light years slower than Floyd and Zab has just as much speed as Pacquiao. Neither Cotto or Margarito have good straight rights. Morales and Marquez were able the neutralize Pacquiao because they had good straight right hands, the money punch against a southpaw. Also don't be surprised to see Floyd fight in the pocket and walk Manny down.
MrGharris2009 4 months ago
@MrGharris2009 - I mentioned Pacquiao's "accuracy", not just speed, when comparing him with Judah. Pacquiao is way more accurate than Judah when he unloads. I looked closely at how Floyd releases his straight right: if he continues to do it this way against Pacquiao, it's going to be a long night for Floyd.
flipitonce 4 months ago
@flipitonce Floyd throws his right hand only when he knows its there, thats part of being a defensive fighter. When he throws it like I said he falls into the opponent or he'll throw it and slip, he pot shots to avoid getting hit with anything after he throws it, he'll throw a left hook after the right hand but rarely. At the end of the day Floyd boxing skills are just too good and that will be the difference in the fight.
MrGharris2009 4 months ago
2:57-3:06 larry merchant dont know what the hell he is talkin' about
RottenPeachState706 4 months ago
The body work!!!! Sheeeeesh!!!
dawg9 4 months ago
Larry merchant wasnt sooo much of a floyd hater here. He actually gave him his props.
OmarTheGuy 4 months ago
@OmarTheGuy Because he dislike Judah more... He chose his poision.
dawg9 4 months ago
@OmarTheGuy thats because he really really hates judah
snoop11080 4 months ago
8:19 explains ALOT!
NextWorldApparel 5 months ago
I think Floyd's body punching really made a difference in this fight. Notice that Judah's not all jumpy in the later rounds.
TheFox251 5 months ago
why do people say Floyd "Runs" in the ring?.. He's backing Zab up the whole fight!..Backed up Shane..and Ortiz!!! Guess it's all propaganda!
STONRUNNIT 5 months ago 17
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FSMNoodlyAppendage 5 months ago
Because they hate him and will say anything to discredit him. That, and most aren't very smart, especially when it comes to boxing.
I mean when was the last time time you heard an INTELLIGENT Mayweather hater? Do they even exist? They can't knock his boxing ability so they're forced to make stuff up. Sad.
FSMNoodlyAppendage 5 months ago 18
@FSMNoodlyAppendage I guess some people dislike Mayweather because a Pacquiao - Mayweather fight hasn't happened yet. Pacquiao is #1 contender, people want to see a Mayweather match up. Then there is the whole 'Floyd ducking Mayweather/Pacquiao using PEDs' rumour, people are just picking sides.
I don't blame Mayweather ,or Pacquiao, that they haven't fought yet. I think it's more to do with managers, but the 'fans' just want to pick sides and call names.
57worldwide 4 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Because he rarely gets hit with anything flush and never been in any real "wars" in the ring because of his boxing skills, and people who don't know shit about boxing equate that with "running".
PHILLYHEAT215 4 months ago 3
@STONRUNNIT It's from people who say what they've heard other people say, and as atrue boxing fan i dismiss everything they say after that. Mayweather fought De La Hoya at 154 and Baldomir was 162 the night they fought, so people got angry because Mayweather didnt slug it out toe to toe with bigger men which would have been insane. Pacman could be more offensive against De La Hoya because he was weight drained and fighting at 147! let the haters hate..they dont know shit about boxing
SonOfGod3000 4 months ago
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@STONRUNNIT Like Roger says, they don't know shit about boxing lol
MrGharris2009 4 months ago
@STONRUNNIT No...It's the haters who don't want to give Floyd his due.
tom11zz884 3 months ago
Okay, so Zab is walking back to the corner looking for my advice...First thing I say to him is "KEEP YO HANDS UP!!!"
universe112 5 months ago
Mosley put ALL HIS POWER INTO THOSE 2 PUNCHES LOL! THAT IS WHY HE ONLY LANDED 2 SHOTS THE WHOLE FIGHT. You saw him breathing heavy in the 3rd and 4th round! Floyd adjusted towards the end of the round and took over from that point on! People were saying VICTOR ORTIZ WAS GOING TO BEAT FLOYD LMBAO! For the same reasons they say MANNY will win. "He's strong" and "He's a southpaw" are the main reasons. ANYBODY BETTING AGAINST FLOYD IS A FOOL! Can't wait for Floyd sends flips back to the filipines
wuspopNmane 5 months ago
@2:44 THATS ACTUALLY CALLED THE 52BLOCKS STANCE...GOOGLE IT...OR YOUTUBE IT...
thatnugguh 5 months ago
at 3:21 ifu read judah lip he sed dont fuck with me boi. damn he was ready to take may head off.
mekdemscream 5 months ago
Floyd's killing him in round 7 too!
wuspopNmane 5 months ago
"Hey, I met Jay-Z last night! I was hanging with the man, I am hip!" Yea, and he probably thought you were a lame.
Heebz24 5 months ago 2
my man judah hittin mayweather wit sum 52
fingerforce1 5 months ago
vic got this in the bag
DUBBST2900 5 months ago
i am so clever got the defence of floyd mayweather
bangandawesome 5 months ago
yes floyd has trouble with southpaws in the beginning, but he ALWAYS beats them down...corely and mitchell can tell you
fishraw 5 months ago
LOL @ 4:17 "Hey! there's my new best friend"
abcmaya 5 months ago
lol my nikka usher..too hyped
dloc1eight7 6 months ago
Fuck Zab Judah! He is ugly as hell, I just wanna shit on his ugly face!
Alpito123 6 months ago
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@Alpito123 yes well
342kobe 6 months ago
If Pacman hits Mayweather with the shots Judah does, he'll knock him out. We know Mayweather doesn't have a great chin, and we know Pacman hits like a mule kicks.
I'd guess Mayweather can hurt him too. Also, I think Judah is more accurate than Pacman, and a tiny bit quicker.
It should be a good fight. Pacman's power and activity is a problem, but Mayweather's balance, defense, smarts, and ability to relax in the ring make for a pretty even fight.
TA152H01 6 months ago
@TA152H01 Dont under estimate mayweathers chin.. he took 2 right hands flush to the chin from mosley and alot of punches from chop chop corley
jedimind09 6 months ago
@jedimind09 Well, I agree, he's got a good chin, but not a great chin. Mosley isn't a big hitter, and he stunned Mayweather twice. Pacman hits a lot harder; virtually everyone who fights him says how hard he hits. Mayweather got hit dead on several times in this fight, and knocked down once (bogus call by the ref). I don't think he can let Pacman hit him as cleanly.
Mayweather is smart though. He'll take fewer chances, and do what he can to avoid it. With his balance, he might.
TA152H01 6 months ago
@TA152H01 yes well
342kobe 6 months ago
@TA152H01 Mosley hits a lot harder than pacman pacman may be faster but he doesnt hit harder than mosley no way ... many sparring partners and interviews always say that mosley punches harder than anyone in the welterweight division. the only one who said pacman punches hard is mosley no one else said he punches hard just that he is really fast... IMO i think floyd is too smart in the ring to get caught that much by pacman and hell win the fight but its my opinion and i respect yours
jedimind09 6 months ago
@jedimind09 Well, every fight they say how heavy his hands are. Mosley did say he hit like a mule kicks.
I'd pick Pacman mainly on activity. He's just a lot busier, and judges like that. One of my frustrations with boxing is, the judges often give credit for punches that don't land cleanly because they think they do.
I can so easily see Mayweather after the decision saying he should have been busier.
I wouldn't be shocked if Mayweather won either. It's a close fight.
TA152H01 6 months ago
@TA152H01 yes well
342kobe 6 months ago
@jedimind09 yea agreed well hopefully they fight in 2012 ... its gonna be a record breaking fight!!!!
jedimind09 6 months ago
@TA152H01 what makes you think Floyd doesn't have a chin? he's only been knocked out ummmmm....NEVER...he's only been knocked down ummmmm...NEVER.He was rocked by the hardest hitting welter(Shane) and didn't fold, came back and shut Mosley out!! Just thought i'd point out those facts.42 fights and his asshole never touches the canvass..that sounds like a superb chin to me!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT It would to me, if I thought Mosley was the hardest hitting welterweight. I don't.
He got nearly decked twice by a 39 year old. Mosley never hurt Pacman.
If you read what I actually said, I said he has a good chin, just not a great chin. Getting hurt like that isn't a great chin. Still, he's definitely not "chinny". My point is, Pacman can hurt him.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Mosley VSFloyd was Mosley's last run..i don't want to hear what Mosely didn't do to Pac when Pac ducked Shane immediately after he beat Margarito.Roach told Shane "only if you can 140lb.So the fact that Pac fought Shane 2 losses later and older means nothing.And yes Mosely never hurt Pac, but he has been knocked out twice.Again, to have never been knocked down in your ENTIRE career..means you have a great chin sir!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Well, Mayweather was knocked down by Judah, it just wasn't called a knockdown. He wasn't hurt though.
A great chin to me is a guy like Chuvalo, or Hagler. The reality is, Mayweather hasn't fought a great fighter yet, and we have seen him badly hurt fairly recently. By an old man.
Pacman got knocked out once by a body shot, so that's got nothing to do with his chin. But, I don't think he has a great chin either, but I think he hits harder. Let's hope we get to see.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 well if the best example you can come up with regarding Floyd getting knocked down is his glove bareley knicking the canvass..then i that should tell you something right there lol.And yes Chuvalo and Hagler had great chin as well..cant take nothing from them. You say that Shane hurt Floyd badly? ..well isn't that part of what constitutes having a great chin? Taking the shots, being hurt,handling and absorbing the pressure and coming back to DOMINATE!! Btw,Pac got his ass whooped unite!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT A great chin is not to be so hurt in the first place. Now, if that were Tommy Hearns landing it, you'd still give him credit for even standing up, but it was Shane Mosley. If it had been Hearns, he would have woke up next week.
Pacman looked horrible. I scored it a draw, but can easily see why people thought Marquez won. Pacman let Marquez finish all the exhanges, didn't force the fight enough, and would get defensive every time Marquez threw anything.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Almost every fighter gets "hurt" in a fight..it'a about how you handle being "hurt".I just watched Angullo?Kirkland last week.The heavy handed Kirk hit Angullo with great shots..but it the fight ended with the ref stopping the fight. Now was Angullo hurt? Yes..does he have a chin? i'd say yes! And before you catch amnesia, Shane was one of the hardest hitting natural welterweights! Shane was coming off of a dominant beating of Margarito!
Pac DIDN'T look horrible.Marquez looked great!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Again, I said Mayweather has a good chin, not a great chin. Mosley is not a big puncher. Look at how few guys he puts away with single shots. He is a good combination puncher, but even a single shot was enough to send Mayweather to wobble-wobble land. Twice.
Mayweather doesn't get hit that often, and he fights mediocre opposition. If he fought someone like Hearns, what would happen?
Marquez wouldn't even be a sparring partner for Hearns or Leonard.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Please, last time i checked Shane had 46 wins with 39 knockouts! Ask that 39 if Shane has power. Again, just because a natural welterweight wobbles a smaller guy in one fight out of 42 is not enough to convince me that a guy doesn't have a great chin.You need to make a better case play boy.Floyd fights mediocre comp? Genaro, Corrlaes, Castillo,Corley,Gatti , Judah,De La, Hatton, Shane,Marquez,Sharme,..to name a few, these were world class athletes.Getcha research up youngin!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT You left out his seven losses, so that gives him 70% KO ratio. Not great. As I mentioned, most of his are with combinations. Only took one to put Mayweather on queer street though.
The guys you mention wouldn't be sparring partners for Hearns or Leonard. Mayweather might be, if he asked nicely. These guys blow. Most think Castillo won. DLH was way past his prime, and gave Mayweather problems. Shane was way too old. No Hearns, Duran, or Hagler in that group.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 First of all, why do you keep mentioning Hearns, Leonard,Duran in every post? Are you trying to bait me to discredit these guys? No, i think they were all great. You say Shane didnt have power because he had a 70% KO ratio? Well Sugar Ray Leonards was only 62%, Hearns 70%, and Duran only 58%. Again, i still think these guys are great, but you need to go back to the drawing board with you logic. The point is, A clean hard power shot from Shane Mosely can hurt any welter!!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT You're talking about guys long after their prime. Hearns was 32-0 with 29 knockouts when he fought Leonard. When they were in their primes, the numbers were much higher. Of course, you might say the same about Mosley, but guess what? He fought Mayweather long after his prime at nearly 40.
Mosley didn't hurt a lot of guys, including Pacman. But Pacman hurt him.
Look, it's obvious you love Mayweather. He's not an all -time great; but neither is Pacman.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Well, since you conveniently factored in Shane's past his prime losses into his KO %..then i did the same for Hearns Duran,and Leonard.Just consider your self owned in this entire debate. And if you think that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is not an all time great, then in the famous words of Roger Mayweather.."YOU DON"T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING!! PEACE!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT You're not that stupid, so stop acting like it. Shane WAS past his prime when he fought Mayweather, so his "past his prime" performance is pertinent. Duh.
Hearns, 32-0 with 29 knockouts as Welter. Do the math.
Floyd's uncle is sure unbiased.
Look, really, it's fine you love Mayweather, even though it's man-love. But, really, he's no Ray Leonard, he's no Tommy Hearns. He's good for now, that's it. Love is beautiful, but it's blinding you. Dare to see the truth.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Floyd is only "good for now?".. You new casual boxing fans need to get your research up. Floyd has been dominating damn near 3 decades now. Name me a fighter who was better than him in the 90's? 96' 97 98' 99' 2000, 01,02, 03, 04,05,06,07,08,09,10,11..name me a better fighter that can beat him now..(and if you even fix you mouth to say Pac you will be laughed off Youtube)..i thought so.
No love affair, i just speak up against ppl that try to discredit this man.simple as that!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT I mean, you can't compare him with the truly great fighters, like Hearns, Leonard, Robinson, etc... He's two or three cuts below that class of fighter.
Dominating? He's been avoiding fighters for years. He got a gift against Castillo, a mediocre fighter. He nearly got embarrassed by a 39 year old. He was losing to a washed up De La Hoya until he forgot to throw jabs. He was losing to Judah as well, another guy who's far from great.
Love is beautiful, but be real.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Its funny that Hearns himself is on record saying that Mayweather will fare well against legendary fighters like himself, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Marvin Hagler...But i'm suppose to believe a youtube sideline commentator?
Judah made Floyd's glove knick the ground and your panties got wet, but you forgot Floyd beat his ass for the rest of the fight.This is sad when this is the best example that you have of Floyd not being great.Sad, sad, sad..it must really suck to be a hater!! LOL!!!!!!!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Actually, Hearns said he and Leonard would both destroy Mayweather, and his trainer (Manny Stewart) said Mayweather doesn't belong in the same conversation with Leonard.
Judah was winning the first part of the fight, landing easily on the much slower Mayweather. Only when he got tired did Mayweather take over.
Mayweather has trouble with guys that wouldn't be in the top 10 in the 70s/80s. Even Benitez would own him.
Just because you love him doesn't make him great
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Again, you are digging yourself in a deeper hole by using the Judah fight as any type of example. So what he had little success early in the fight. As did Hatton, Shane, Corley.Everyone knows that counter punchers start off slow, but once they adjust and figure out angles, distance, etc..then its easy work!! And people kill me saying " If only the opponent didn't get tired".WTF?? This is a 12 round fight and you are a professional ATHLETE.Come in shape like Floyd does..ALWAYS!Excuses!!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT What you're forgetting is these guys are chumps. They aren't great fighters that give him trouble. An all time great would have no trouble with these guys. Can you imagine Judah in against Hearns or Leonard? Oh the humanity!
In defense of Mayweather, he does know how to relax in the ring, and he's a smart fighter. It's not his condition..
12 rounds is nothing. Watch Leonard/Duran for 15 rounds to watch real fighters. Mayweather goes 12 at a quarter of that pace.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 So with your logic, Floyd is not great because Judah and Shane landed a good shot etc.Do you know how dumb that sounds? Leonard, Hagler, all of those guys have unanimous decisions against fighters that weren't all time greats.Do you think ALL of their fights were against great opponents? and again, UD means that some of these sub par opponents have had some type of success and good moments,and won some rounds. No fighter in the world dominates every single fight!! FACT!!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Actually, in his prime, Leonard pretty much made mediocre opponents look horrible. Hearns knocked them out. Outside of Duran, Hagler did the same. Leonard would make undefeated guys who never went down, go down.
Mayweather gets hurt by an old man, and has to sucker punch a chump to win.
What makes those guy greats is they fought other greats, and won.
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TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Sucker Punch..Ok, it's clear to me that you are just a Floyd hater that troll around videos dissing Floyd and mentioning Hearns, Leonard, blah blah.. great fighters but they have had their day.You say Floyd is 3 cuts BELOW those guys? So if they were all "A" fighters..so 3 cuts below makes Floyd what?a "D" fighter.Man you are DELUSIONAL!!!! Again, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Keep hating tho, Floyd needs those!!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Mayweather needs weak fighters so he can keep winning.
I'd rate him a B or even B+ fighter. Hearns and Leonard at Welter would be A+. They were as good as it gets.
Mayweather isn't a great fighter. It's not that I hate him, I see him quite rationally. I don't have man love like you do, and I have no reason to hate him.
I wish he would fight better fighters, but that's my only real gripe against him. And guys like you who think he's better than he really is.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Man love? Well you are the one on every page constantly bringing up these old-timers.Fact is, we'll never know who is better.We'll never know how a prime Ali vs Tyson would have gone. IN my book, what makes an A fighter is someone with a total package! Speed, defense, ring generalship, boxing iq,athleticism, conditioning/stamina,fight going backwards,chin,heart,skill.Now where does Floy lack?...Crickets!! Who do you want to see him fight? He's leagues past everyone! Not his fault
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
What makes Mayweather only a fighter good in the context of today is his talent isn't there compared to those guys.
He isn't fast like Leonard or Hearns. He doesn't have a big punch. He's easier to hit than Leonard. He's not very tough. He's only got a good chin. He doesn't throw in combinations as well. He's three cuts below.
To his credit, he's as smart as any guy I've seen in the ring. His balance is superb. He relaxes in the ring, and his concentration is excellent.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01FLoyd is not as fast as Leonard? disagree, but speed doesn't win fights, Floyd hits harder than most people think.Floyds defense is mother fuckin topnotch!, Has a good chin, and combinations? That's where boxing IQ comes in. Floyd doesn't need to throw 10 -20 punch combos, he knows how to perfectly place his shots and when.Awesome athleticism. Mainly IQ along with the other factors make him fit to be in the same conversation with those guys.U can't convince me that Floyd is "D" class
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Wow, watch Leonard against his Daddy, or against Andy Price. Floyd doesn't approach it. He wasn't even as fast as Judah. Mayweather has never shown good power. He does have a solid chin. His defense is overrated, but still very good. Combinations win against other greats, you don't need them against mediocre fighters. IQ is top notch, I've never seen better. You left out balance. He has excellent balance, and he's got long arms.
I never said D. I said B+.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 And again, You said Floyd wouldn't even be a sparring parter for those guys? So a B+ fighter doesn't have a chance against an A+ fighter? That doesn't make very much sense. Look doggy, all I'm saying is this kid Floyd is the truth..they will have to build a robot to beat him.They tried to fool ppl and hype up Pac, but that didn't work.Props to the old timers, but this is the present,enjoy the best of THIS era now while you can and quit being so negative.makes u look like a hater!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Mayweather would get knocked out early by Hearns, and get completely outclassed by Leonard. That's how it is.
There have been a lot of better fighters than he, but, I'll grant you, he might be the best right now.
There's nothing to enjoy about his fights. They're boring. He doesn't fight anyone good, and you're right, there aren't many good fighters anyway.
Boxing doesn't have the same talent, but hopefully it will turn around.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Again, this is a pointless argument, as you just don't like Mayweather as illustrated by you previous "Gayweather" remarks..(yep, i've seen them) So it is just clear to me that you just don't like him. You have your opinion, and i have mine..If there are no good boxers today in your opinion, fine, then don't watch boxing, go watch MMA!! Peace!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT I've never said I liked Mayweather, and I do think he's a sissy for not fighting Pacman. I'm guessing after that fight though, he will. After watching Pacman look so ordinary, I'd probably pick the Gayman. Before that, I was kind of in the middle.
MMA is barbaric. I can't watch that crap. I can't watch current boxers either, really, they're so bad. I end up watching mostly older fights. I don't know why boxing is in such an abyss now, but it should recover.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Whoa.. now the Pactard is oooozing out of you. You say "Floyd will now fight after watching Pacman look so ordinary". Floyd announced one week before the Pac fight that he had the MGM reserved for May 5th and he wanted Pac.if you're gonna comment, atleast be knowlegable and current with your info.BTW Pac didnt look ordinary...Pac was Pac..he just lost to a 38 year old lightweight that can box. EVERY 1 knows that Floyd will toy with Pac but u and Skip Bayless!LMAO..
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Actually, you sound like a Gaytard. Don't let man-love blind you. It's not wholesome.
Gayweather has backed out from fighting Pacman several times; he's not one to take on a guy he thinks can beat him. But, now, Pacman looked ordinary, so there'll probably be a fight now.
If you could read, you'd see at this point, I'd pick the Gay blade. Pacman made sooooo many mistakes. Bad mistakes. If he can't change, his only chance will be to land a big shot.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Nah,Floyd never backed out, you were getting your boxing news from ESPN.You say Pac made sooo many mistakes? I've been telling you all that for 3 years now!.The veil has been lifted. The dog and Pony show is over.The truth is finally coming out. And guess who sent Floyd an email first thing Monday morning? We are NOT interested in fighting Floyd at this time.We will pursue a 4th fight with Marquez. They are ducking again!Make a note of this so you will remember who's doing the ducking!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Pacman has no reason now to fight Mayweather. He's got to prove he can beat Marquez. Until he proves that, his legacy is in question. Mayweather is a guy who'll be forgotten after he retires, like a Pernell Whitaker. But, if Pacman can't prove once and for all, he can beat Marquez, that's a big stain on his resume.
But, Mayweather had the chance to make the fight. He had fear in his heart. Now, he doesn't matter, so he'll probably make noise and act brave. He isn't.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Pac's legacy will be in question? His legacy has always been in question to me! I say he should go ahead and accept the Floyd offer...get knocked out...THEN fight Marquez! The interest in the fight has already diminished..unless Pac goes out and find some new and improved steroids for Marquez 4..it will be the same outcome..or he loses...too risky to do a 4. And fyi Floyd Mayweather is the PPV Cash cow mega star..no way his name will be forgotten..You are delusional!!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT People remember the really great fighters, not the guys who made the most. And all the records they make today get broken tomorrow anyway.
Pacman can beat Marquez if he moves his head more, and finishes the exchanges. In other words, stops being such a pussy and goes in their like a slugger. He tries to be cute, and he's not able to do it.
The interest has already dropped, that's why he needs to fight Marquez again, and fight like a man. Take shots to land shots.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Pac is one dimensional..cant teach an old dog new tricks!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@STONRUNNIT Yes, but you can teach a horse to count. (I'm not sure of the relevancy here, but it had to be said).
I suspect you're right, but I hope you're wrong. He got a little better as the fight went on, but, he fought like a pussy.
If he's on steroids, he's not taking the right ones.
He always pulls out and then puts his hands on his hips too. It's so irritating.
If he goes in there, and pounds away, he'll get him out of there. But, I think you're right. He won't.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Well, some people are theorizing that Ariza is weening Pac off the Juice to see how he performs because he will definatley be tested when he fights Floyd. That explains the sub par performance. Its an interesting theory but I don't know if i subscribe to it. I just simply believe that by them making Marquez move up in weight (and him being 38) it would give Pac the same advantage he had by draining his opponents,but it back fired!!
STONRUNNIT 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Mayweather backed out the fight? Really? Was this before or after Pacquiao canceled the fight and decided to fight Joshua Clottey who, looked bad in his last performance with Cotto? Careful, You may start to act all high and mighty and decide to call me a Flomo, Floydiot or whatever stupid comment as if i don't know what im talking about but i get my information from the source and thats Arum and Freddie Roach. FR said to ring magazine that Pac was the one who never agreed to the test.
BlackOwnedDollars 3 months ago
@BlackOwnedDollars Hmmm, I hadn't heard "Flomo" before. Nice one.
Mayweather asked for terms that were not consistent with professional boxing. Pacquiao agreed to it, with timing restrictions, and Mayweather wouldn't agree. The reality of the situation is, Mayweather DEMANDED terms that were not required in professional boxing, and would not compromise.
He'll be much more likely to go after the fight, because Pacman looked ordinary. He was afraid before, now he won't be.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Terms? No. Term? Yes thats correct. he asked for an OSBT. If anybody had multiple demands it was Pacquiaos group. Even split, 10 million for every pound over 147. 8oz Gloves. Bigger Ring and a specific type of glove. Mayweather agreed. So what was there to compromise when Freddie Roach says sure he will agree to testing, then back out and then go to face Joshua Clottey. So what exactly were these terms Floyd begged for that weren't required. Also, you do know Manny stopped the fight???
BlackOwnedDollars 3 months ago
@BlackOwnedDollars I assume you're referring to Olympic drug testing. Well, this isn't the Olympics, and the drug testing Mayweather demanded wasn't the norm in professional boxing.
147 was the weight class they agreed to fight at, and there's always a penalty for going over weight. 8 ounce gloves are also the norm for 147 pounds. Bigger ring than what? There's no standard size. All of this is nonsense.
Pac agreed to testing with certain time parameters.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 It is allowed in boxing for you to ask for additional testing. Besides, that's nothing more than an excuse. Only cheaters dislike tests that ensure you're not cheating. You telling me that you have no problem with Manny testing with the NSAC that cheaters can pass but asking for a test that makes sure you're clean is wrong? Yeah, great logic there. Yes, there is a standard size. And again you negate what i say. Manny had his demands, why cant Floyd have one?
BlackOwnedDollars 3 months ago
@BlackOwnedDollars What you're saying aren't demands. That's like saying Pacman asked for a square ring. Everything is STANDARD for a professional fight. "Demanding" 8 ounce gloves is ludicrous, that's what is used for welterweight fights.
A small ring would favor Pacman, not a big ring. It's not clear to me why you'd think Pacquiao would want a big ring.
Pacquiao agreed to get blood tests, but not very close to the actual fight. He then moved even closer, but May wouldn't fight.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 anytime you a fighter who denies a drug test in the 1st place that raises questions it no longer becomes an issue of floyd demands anything. shane mosely never hesitated to take the test and we all know his story why cant paq do it? 4words. BOB ARUM, FREDDY ROACH.
matt2fresh84 3 months ago
@matt2fresh84 Part of me agrees with that, because I remember Pacquiao saying he didn't want a drug test that soon because the blood loss would weaken him. It made no sense at all, because your body stores extra blood in the spleen, and that amount is rebuilt pretty quickly.
But, it was probably an ego thing and posturing. Mosley needed that fight, Pacquiao doesn't need Mayweather. Mayweather likes to play head games, and he didn't want to fight Pacman. He probably does now.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 its never been about floyd being scared or not wanting to fight paquiao....do you know how many times critics have said that floyd was scared? they said that about castillo (going into the 2nd bout) zab judah(because judah is just as quick n fats as floyd that is a southpaw) shane mosely, an undefeated ricky hatton, de la hoya coming off a good win & just before his true decline. the notion that "floyd doesnt want paquiao" is propaganda. doesnt make sense IF you followed his career.
matt2fresh84 3 months ago
@matt2fresh84 Judah was coming off a bad performance, and is actually considerably quicker than Mayweather. Luckily for Mayweather, Judah has really short arms.
Castillo is nothing. Mosely? You mean a nearly 40 year old? Ricky Hatton? LOL! A past his prime De La Hoya, who almost beat him, and who got knocked out by Pacman? Your list shows exactly my point.
Let's be real, we all know Mayweather isn't a real tough guy like Hagler, etc... He's scared to lose.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 WHAT POINT?! castillo nothing? he is the ONLY fighter to have a case in beating mayweather...many say that castillo won the 1st fight. so floyd fights him again in the SAME CALENDAR year & beats him convincingly. more than i can say for paquiao who cant do that with JMM....Floyd fought an UNDEFEATED ricky hatton, Mosely who came off a huge KO win, & de la hoya who was in his NATURAL WEIGHT! floyd beat all 3 & paq fought left overs coming off of bad losses. so i ask again WHAT POINT?!
matt2fresh84 3 months ago
@matt2fresh84 My point that Mayweather has made a career without fighting a single great fighter, and that's how he wants it.
Castillo is nothing. He's, at best, a decent fighter. He's lost many fights, and the fact he gave Mayweather a fight tells you more about Mayweather than Castillo.
A scrub, a guy near 40, a guy way past his prime that was 2-2 in his last four fights, and who got knocked out by Pacman. This is how you prove he isn't scared? Kind of proves the opposite.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 so what does that make paquiao? who cant even definitively put away a 38 year old without a shadow of a doubt like he said he was! paquiao is fighting the same fighters as floyd yrs after he fights them! LOL but the difference with floyd is that he has fought those fighters coming off wins with momentum! PLUS floyd makes those fighters look past thier primes because he is that good. by saying floyd hasnt fought anyone is false. you know it. you are pitching an empty argument.
matt2fresh84 3 months ago
@matt2fresh84 I never said Pacquiao was anything great. But, he definitely looked better against De La Hoya and Mosley. Mosley buckled Mayweather badly, and made him hold on for mercy. By contrast, Pacman knocked Mosley down.
Mayweather is just the latest version of Pernell Whitaker, but a bit slower, a bit easier to hit, but smarter, and with longer arms.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 you talking about the mosely fight where floyd didnt even go down? the same mosely fight where floyd dominated the rest of that fight? idk what you watched but thats what happened. floyd beat marquez. paqhasnt beat him definitively like floyd did. there was no debate after floyd fought marquez. but theres doubt with paq tho. & again theres no validity to your argument if you saying floyd hasnt fought "not a single great fighter" but name boxers paq fought that floyd already beat LOL.
matt2fresh84 3 months ago
@matt2fresh84 Are you not understanding anything I'm saying. Why do you keep acting like I need to defend Pacquiao?
Just so we're on the same page, I don't consider either one of these guys great fighters. And if you put a gun to my head, I'd pick Mayweather after watching Pacman the last fight. He was HORRIBLE. He fought a cowardly fight, and was too afraid of getting hit.
Mayweather will kill him if he fights that way again. He needs to become a fighter again.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Did you just say you don't consider Mayweather to be great? Who do you consider great if Mayweather isnt?
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 Mayweather doesn't approach great. In their prime, I'd rate Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Larry Holmes, Rocky Marciano, Ray Robinson (overrated, but still excellent), etc... to be great fighters. Guys like Mayweather wouldn't even be on the roadmap in the late 70s and 80s. Even second tier fighters like Donald Curry and Wilfredo Benitez would probably beat him (although, the fights might be competitive).
Boxing now doesn't have the same talent level it did 20-40 years ago.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 You're kidding right? Leonard only had 39 fights and he lost 3 of them. Floyd has fought 42 fighters and at least 4 hall of famers all of which he dominated and he would've fought more had they all been willing to fight him. Floyd is the only fighter in history to move up 5 weight classes undefeated. I'd say that makes him pretty great. And you're joking with those two right? What about either of them makes you think that they would beat Floyd?
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 I said Leonard in his prime, not at 40.
Winning against lousy fighters doesn't make you great. Leonard was much faster, had better defense, better power, better chin, better form, better endurance. There were no flaws.
Mayweather was losing to De La Hoya when he was jabbing. Nearly got KO'd by a nearly 40 year old Mosley.
Hearns would have knocked him out inside two rounds. Faster, much better reach, much more power, and much tougher.
There's no comparison.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 I'm talking about Leonard period, all 39 of his fights. His two best fights were against Duran, he lost to Duran, and fought Hagler, Hearns, and Camacho. It's easier to say he's fought the better competition when everyone he's fought has retired and been recognized already, but realistically speaking Floyd will more than likely face more than the amount of tough competition that Leonard did.
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 I have no idea what you're talking about. You don't judge a fighter past his prime. Saying that is like so and so is better than Ali, because he could beat him when he fought Berbick.
If you think Leonard's best fights were against Duran and Hagler, you need to learn more. Hagler was shot, so was Leonard. Leonard fought the worst style, but probably won anyway. He humiliated him the second time though, when he was probably his sharpest.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 I don't know what you're talking about because you don't judge a fighter based on who he's fought and compare him to another by using him in his prime. 42-0 with victories over 6 hall of famers is much more impressive than 36-3 against 4 hall of fame type fighters. And you just discredited one of his victories by saying Hagler was shot so don't even bring him up again.
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 There's nothing impressive about a single Mayweather win. He hasn't fought a great fighter in his career. He lost to Castillo, but got a gift.
I could discredit all of Mayweather's victories because he still hasn't fought anyone. DLH was way past his prime, and got raped by Pacman.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 "There's nothing impressive about a single Mayweather win." Well there you go, your bias is clear now so don't even try to argue anymore. I'm done talking because I would only be wasting my time.
Seriously, kid? DLH dropped from 154lbs to 144, he was shot just like you said Duran was. He wasn't WAY passed his prime in 06 when he and Floyd fought.
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 how do ppl say de la hoya was passed his prime vs floyd but them say pac beat em down... how was he way past his prime if he was knockin dudes out and was the 154lbs wbc champion... i just dont get it... he was the same age then that floyd is now... bias is unbelievable sometimes
noeyb18 3 months ago
@noeyb18 Agreed. DLH was barley out of his prime if at all, what some people don't realize is that it's real easy to look at a fighter after losing to someone you expected them to beat and say "he was passed his prime." rather than just saying that the other guy was so good that he could beat him at his own weight with his choice of gloves and the advantage of height. They can say he was "passed his prime" all they want but technically Mayweather wasn't in his prime either.
blacktee31 3 months ago 7
@TA152H01 And you're exaggerating thing. Floyd didn't lose to DLH and it wasn't even close to a loss, the only reason why DLH looked good was because he was throwing a lot of punches, but he didn't make have as many as Floyd did, and on top of that they fought at HIS weight, with HIS choice of glove size. And he didn't almost get koed either, so I don't know what you're talking about. He took that punch and didn't even touch canvas. And I honestly hope you dont think 6'1 middleweight would've
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 Hearns was a welterweight, didn't you know that? He was 32-0 with 29 Knockouts going into the Leonard fight, as a welterweight.
DLH sucked balls. But he gave Mayweather a fight, and was winning until he stopped throwing jabs. Can you imagine that clown in against Leonard or Hearns? Oh my. Wouldn't even be worth watching, unless you like ugly beatings.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Hearns was a middleweight for most of his career, in his prime he was 6'1 and walking around at 160lbs, so no.
DLH is much bigger than Floyd and is a great fighter, a hall of famer. I love how biased you are though, anyone who isn't from the 80's is a clown to you lol.
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 Hearns fought most of his fights at 147 pounds. 33 fights. So, you're wrong.
He was most successful at Welterweight.
At 147 pounds Hearns would knock Mayweather out within two or three rounds. I'm not talking about Hearns at 160, who'd knock Mayweather out before he got into the ring.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Met in the ring with a 5'8 welterweight. SRL was bigger than Floyd, Floyd has a tough chin though. Mosley was 38 btw not 40, it seems to me after reading this post of yours that you're either ignorant to what Floyd has done in his career or you just have a bias for oldschool boxing. I'm guessing it's the latter because you said that leonard had better defense lol. Get outta here bro.
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 Mayweather was wobbling all over the ring from Mosley, who was almost 40. Again, almost, 38+ is pretty close.
Not a bias, just I recognize talent. Mayweather doesn't approach that level. Not that many did. Leonard, when he was young, was the most complete fighter to step into the ring.
Watch him fight much better fighters than Mayweather even thinks about, and you can see his defense. Mayweather gets hit, and nearly knocked out by 38 year olds! LOL.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Wrong, Floyd was staggered once but kept his composure, then his knees buckled and he regained his compsure. Who cares how old he was he was still a great fighter and barley out of his prime, how many fighters could stand up to his speed and power then dominate him for an entire fight? Not a lot.
You're bias whether you choose to admit it or not. Leonard's defense isn't better than Floyd's, neither is his record, he had what you can call better competition.
I have watched him fight.
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 Mosley was a perfect fighter for Mayweather. He was very old, had terrible balance (which is why he lost to other fighters), and refused to throw the left to the body even though it landed every time he threw it.
He was way past his prime, look at what Pacman did to him.
Mayweather staggered around the ring like a drunken sailor. He was out on his feet. He got staggered twice in the same round by an old man.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Leonard is a flashy fighter, great footwork but those speedy combinations he throws leave him open to guys who know how to take advantage, Floyd doesn't throw many combinations and because of that rarely opens himself up to certain shots, his defense is much better than Leonard's. And you must be joking about the most complete fighter think, because it's far from true.
blacktee31 3 months ago
@blacktee31 Actually, Leonard's defense was so good, he could throw those combinations, and rarely got hit back. He could make guys miss shots that would stagger Mayweather. Who wouldn't get hit by a 38 year old with bad balance, and wobble around like an alcoholic.
You have to watch Leonard in his prime. Not Hagler and after. He didn't get hit much at all, despite being offensive, and despite fighting guys that would have killed Mayweather. Mayweather gets hit by scrubs.
TA152H01 3 months ago
Dat punk ass anouncer went real homo when he seen jay z
MrRobyopunkass 6 months ago
loool 03:21 'fucking pussy'
5TRYD4 6 months ago
walang kwenta si floyd kay pacuiao di ubra yan galaw na yan
1103law 6 months ago
@IcolossusPSN keep thinking that floyd is a push over :}
myaangeline 6 months ago
0:30 Floyd looks confused. Zab was only throwing 2 good shots. The straight left and the left uppercut that he hides all the time. Zab gives Floyd the angle he wants and catches him leaning in too much just to chase Zab.
Oh well, by 1:35 Floyd looks like his old self again.
albythepuncher 6 months ago in playlist Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Zab Judah FULL FIGHT
Judah is a dangerous fighter. Pac won't destroy Mayweather. In fact I think the fight will be easier than most casual fans anticipate. Look for straight right hands followed by hooks to the head and body when Floyd fights Ortiz and Pac.
spankybighead 6 months ago
From 9:45 to 10:30 as merchant lampley are talking about floyds body punches he starts to hit judah with straight rights to the stomach watch judah drop his hands and floyd catch him with a left then a right to the mouth he sets him up so perfect its unbelievable the nigga is just too cold in the ring
9budah3 6 months ago
and people say floyd has problem with southpaws,what problem??
onlyjoetee 6 months ago