At 1:59 he needs to pull his arm back a little and have the elbow of the back and his wrist at the other guys arm. Then he could use his arm as a crow bar. While giving pain to the guy at the same time.
basically this move is extremely easy to escape until the point where he has gable grip on your head, but mots of the times it will be easy for your opponent to transition to another submission.
this isn't a threat in wrestling, so it's just lack of knowledge on these kids'/trainers' part which allows them to be submitted.
okay. MMA fan here. Why is this called a guillotine, then the MMA guillotine is a front choke? Always wondered. Obviously this guillotine was first. But just wondering.
@Busternutt69 The MMA Guillotine is a BJJ choke and i'm assuming it entered the lexicon of MMA under the BJJ version because it is executed a lot more often. The Wrestling Guillotine (the Twister in BJJ) is a lot more rare in MMA so that's why it didn't get absorbed into the MMA vernacular since it was only recently done in the UFC by the Korean Zombie. I'm assuming that is the reason.
@ewnjr no, if you know the guy's going for a guillotine all you have to do is face him when he drops, and theres a reversal. trust me it's a terrible move
@ewnjr What? no, people have tried it a whole bunch of times on me, it was free reversal for me. you just turn your budy with towards him and it's a Saturday night ride ez reversal
@daykellonko no its not possiable with the leg in and the arm slightly to fully behind the head...unless u dislocked ur hip u never reversed it and u say a bunch of times...the amount of people ive seen attempt this move are 5 at best one being a team mate who placed 6th in states... the guillotine being his main pining compation with banana split spilt for a break down then belly out forceing oppoint to base
@ewnjr You obviously haven't wrestled more than 2 years, any good wrestlers would know this move is risky as well as banana splits. Yeah you can go ahead and reply to this by lying saying you wrestled for 8 years blah blah you qualified for masters etc etc,
@daykellonko def wreslted for 4...high school years....and again when a skilled leg rideing is doing these move the risk factor is much less then u or me where to attempt it and idk how u get the balls to call bullshit on me when i teammated with (the leg rider) for 4 years
@ewnjr I don't think you understand, I'm not saying that it's hard to get a leg ride in, I'm saying maintaining it after you fall down for the guillotine is hard, his body strength is definitely more than enough to turn towards you before you have him in a guillotine, you can't hold his body strength with just 1 leg that's hooked in hence why i said "if you figure 4 your legs it might work"
i tried this in practice i couldnt get it, i still cant figure out what i might be doing wrong. i have trouble after the part where you put thier arm above your head, right before you roll. any tips?
@Zeus101mon Once you get their arm (say their right arm) around your head, you then take your (left) arm and get it around theri head (watch video...you can see when they do it). At that point they really have no choice but to go to their back. Just lock up the reverse half and if you need to let the leg out. 99% of my pins in HS were with this move...done correctly, it's unstoppable (even was able to get it on a State Champ and runner-up)... Hope this helps
@Zeus101mon One more quick tip on getting the arm. Notice in the video where the kid on bottom is defending by locking his hands? Brute strength and peeling uses a lot of energy, but if you hook the elbow with your (left) arm. Then grab his wrist with the other hand. Twist the wrist and use your (left) arm to straighten his elbow. Once the arm is straight, should be easy to get over your head. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Glad it helps
Isn't it dangerous for the spine? As the other guy said it's practically a submission, and this guy can't even tap out... I didn't think it was legal in wrestling!
@Madmac79 yes it is dangerous. particularly so if the person doesnt really know how to do it properly. my cousin was paralized from the waist down at age 16 in a highschool wrestling match from this move.
Horrible technique, the last guy has a scissor on the leg, which is illegal in folk style. 1. Sink the leg 2. place your right elbow in the center of his back 3. grab his elbow with your right hand 4. grab his wrist with your left hand 5. use your right arm as a lever to pull his arm around your head 6. wait 5 seconds 7. put your right thumb knuckle in his temple 8. put your left hand over your right hand and squeeze hard toward you. 9. walk to center of mat, get hand raised
If you really want to get the guillotine and the guy is locking his hands or keeping his arm tucked tight you can put your elbow into his ribs for leverage. The last guy pushes his arm all the way through and tugs when he could be putting his elbow into the ribs, getting more leverage, and maintaining better position.
I used this all the time in HS. Often you can't get it, but it sets up a transition to a ball and chain when they try to keep you from sinking it in. Then you can work tilts with the leg in or take it out.
This move is a legit submission hold it trashes the cervical and thoracic spine bytwisting it and elongating it ...it is as old as fighting itself and is first seen in ancient greece in the pankration ...but was made popular in our time by Billy Rielly and Billy Robinson and old school CACC wrestling schools in the UK (wigan, lancashire pit wrestlers)...at the moment Eddie Bravo of 10th planet BJJ teaches it as "the twister " , it is not a banned move in most submission grappling competitions.
s move is so painful. I've never been pinned in a guillotine but I was curious to know how it felt so I taught my brother how to run and it feels like someone's ripping your shoulder out of it's rotator cuff. Especially that second guillotine.
to everyone: they have the arm too. which makes it perfectly legal. don't argue about this move, it's a rare occasion that someone gets it. unless they hunt for it nonstop. and also it won't be called a stalemate if the guy's on his back. sooner or later, they'll be pinned, or another quater will start.
This is a dangerous move for the spine, obviously an important part of the body. This is actually a move that I'm decent at, at least in training; but I don't try and finish people with it. Techniques like this is what keeps people from training wrestling as they get older.
@fistr totally legal. can be hard to get your opponent into it though. the trick is once your legs are hooked around his thigh, getting him on his side and waiting for him to pause so you can then hook his arm behind you and go for the head. doesnt hurt to know the hold, just probably rare will you be in position to apply it. i always liked the banana splits personally. although i DID get a guy into this hold in a street fight outside a bar. started fighting, got to the ground and boom.
Might be legal in folkstyle (don't know because I'm Canadian), but in freestyle, Olympic wrestling the finish position is definitely illegal because it includes a headlock without an arm in (not that you couldn't still pull off the move with a slight modification).
well this obviously isnt the olympics and these are high school kids. when i was wrestling in high school this was a totally legal move. youre not allowed to crank the neck, in a jerking manor. it has to be a slow controlled movement. believe me you KNOW when youre being put into this hold lol and you can submit at any time.
I know it isn't the Olympics. Not the point I was making. In the rest of the world there's no such thing as folk style wrestling. High school kids participate in either freestyle or Greco. In both of those, you aren't allowed a headlock (clasping both arms around your opponent's head or neck) unless you also have his arm clasped in there with his head. Whether you crank it or not is irrelivant. That's the international FILA rule... high school included.
At 01:20, I don't think the loser's right shoulder was ever on the mat. I think the ref called it a pin because he was in a lot of pain and was never gonna escape.
Does that happen sometimes? No one's gonna argue about it. The kid rolled over on the mat, holding his shoulder.
@chich311 you get 6 points for a "fall" which is winning the match by pin or submission. trust me you DO NOT want to be put into this hold, or others such as the banana splits (which tears your opponents groin muscles apart) or the tightwaist (where you are behind your opponent, taking your right arm, reaching around across his navel to try and get completely around to put your hand on his back. then pulling and squeezing and tightening as hard a possible, if done right, he WILL throw up!)
@chich311 if his shoulders are both on the mat its a pin. i saw a kid once being put into this hold and he was trying to shoulder roll away but got stuck, shoulders hit the mat, BING!!! match over
That crossface at the end looked painful, and thats part of the move bud. I've popped a kids shoulder connecting the guillotine in. But thats wrestling for you, your gonna get hurt.
@himynamesbob95 i saw a guy get his nose smashed just from a cross face. one thing my dad and coach would tell me was when i got someone in a hold, squeeze. but the guy i saw had a crossface on him, the guy either squeezed or was trying to turn him and "AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!" blood all over his face and chest. poped his nose like a pimple. messed up part was he was a damn good wrestler and wore a mask after that but was scared of getting hurt and never wrestled the same again.
@vasiliadist one thing one of my first coaches said "wrestling IS pain".... from the conditioning, to the training, to the competing. those holds are designed to make someone submit! how do you do that? not by tickling them! does getting hit in boxing hurt? hell yes!
@scratchallday lololol exactly! its not called the french tickler! lolololololol. heres a few more "pain"ful titles - Banana Splits, Tightwaist, Crossface, Bow and Arrow...all legal holds
Man, in the last one the guy almost looked like he was doing a neck crank. The other guy looked in pain.
By the way, if you just add a neck crank to it you get what's called a twister in submission wrestling (not to be confused with a twister in pin wrestling).
Dude. . . go up to a wrestler and say that. You'll soon learn, like people in the Ultimate Fighting Championships did in the early days, what it feels like to be slammed to the ground and have your joints dislocated. Of course, if they happen to be gay, they could make you their personal sex doll in no time flat.
you're right about the wwf/wwe thing. but that wrestling and folkstyle wrestling (the type of wresting in this video) are two completely different types of wrestling
Pshh fuck that dude this is a high percentage move in submission grappling. No-gi jiu-jitsu master Eddie Bravo transitioned this wrestling move into jiu-jitsu with many different combinations and variations off of it to submit an opponent, though without the submission this is still a strong pin for traditional wrestling. I suggest you try it out first, you can get it from side control, sprawl control, turtle position, the back...the list goes on. It's a great move
I dont understand all the guys claiming to wrestle 215 and heavyweght on here saying they are too heavy for this move...? i wrestled 189 and heavyweight (they didn't have 215 when i wrestled in high school) and i used to kill heavyweights with double leg/single leg takedowns and cross body rides with moves like this one. I was successful because i DIDN'T wrestle like a heavy weight.
yah thats true but alot of the heavyweights and 215s are to fit the legs between the thighs properlty or they dont have the leg strength to keep the move, beacuse a cross body done right does hurt your own legs.
Dude, if he locks his ankles, you're done. the only way for him not to get near-fall is to push back into him when he throws the leg in. If he does that, then you keep him from locking his ankles. Trust me, i lasted all 3 periods with a three time state champ who's pinned everyone this year; or teched for that matter
whoa whoa whoa whoa, the move we call twister is when you the other dude shoots on you, and you "bury your arms" (basically a double underhook, but in front) and you grab with your right hand, your arm and jsut "twist" over the dude and pin him
yeah, he fully admits that he got it from wrestling. it was the only sub he knew when he started bjj so he used it a lot. he also developed a whole crap load of ways to get it (ways that wouldn't come up in wrestling.. for instance, when your opponent is on his back.. that kinda thing wouldn't happen in wrestling cause the match is already done pretty much)... his trainers called it a twister cause they didn't know what it was.. he did it so much that eventually it was his nickname, twister
i pinned a kid wt dis for the first time to day and i had no clue wut i was doing i had never even seen this b4 today i just knew how i could get him to his bak (im a freshmen 112lb and its my first year)
Well, it is definately the ultimate worst pin to get trapped in, but what about the spadle or the double arm bar chicken wing? THese are also painful, humiliating and hard to escape....., if you ever got trapped in or had opponents trapped in.
In BJJ it's called the Twister. It's originally a wrestling move, however when Eddie Bravo went to implement it into BJJ, the name Guillotine was already taken.
The guillotine in jits is the front headlock choke, but in wrestling it's the name for this neck cranking pin. When Eddie Bravo tried to bring the "Wrestler's Guillotine" into jits he couldn't keep it named the guillotine because the name was already taken, so he named it the twister.
whoa whoa whoa... bravo knew it was called a guillotine... he called it a guillotine.. machado (forgot which one) did care what the name was, he just called it "that twster thing" or something like that... eventually bravo was pulling it so much that they called him twister.. he (and everyone) knows it's a guillotine in wrestling, and never claims otherwise.. he probably would've called it a guillotine also, but his trainers called it twister
in the second video when he is in the pinning portion when he reached over to lock around the neck its better to do it around the head it works so much better and causes them a lot more pain. plus it gets there shoulders completely to the mat.
@patat3s3xii3 oh ok, me too thats why i was just curious ... thanks!
RecklessPancake 3 weeks ago
is this move illegal in highschool wrestling?
RecklessPancake 1 month ago
@RecklessPancake nope, i wrestle and im in high school varsity team and i learned that move.. well i know in ny its not illegual lol
patat3s3xii3 3 weeks ago
how many points in this move kinda of a stupid question if most of the time it becomes a pin but just wondering
tom00440 2 months ago
Guillotines are so fun to pin people with, but absolutely suck ass when you're on the receiving end of one.
bjjalltheway1 2 months ago
Is this still a legal?
freddykill123456 4 months ago
@freddykill123456 yep
TStrince 3 months ago
hes immobilizing his head so he cant use his neck or anything. If your in a guillotine, your pretty much fucked
3037777777 4 months ago
Is the guy's neck being squeezed as if he were being choked or is his neck being bent to one side or something I'm missing?
itsmegp46 4 months ago
This move hurts like a bitch. I feel sorry for the second guy.
jtsusmc94 5 months ago
FYI Folks...Eddie Bravo did NOT change the name.
Jean Jacques Machado (his instructor) and his brothers were the ones who started calling it "The Twister".
ShadowMMA 5 months ago
lol 0:30 watch the junk!
BooMHeadShoT4441 5 months ago
At 1:59 he needs to pull his arm back a little and have the elbow of the back and his wrist at the other guys arm. Then he could use his arm as a crow bar. While giving pain to the guy at the same time.
underamour96 6 months ago
once you get there arm behind you and you got there legs figure 4rd there screwed
imnumber1ateverythin 7 months ago
In Texas we all hate that guys team lol
Reimondowrestling 7 months ago
so you can submit in wrestling or what?
torkadkorvmacka 8 months ago
thats not a guillotine thats a jujitsu twister. thats what it looks like to me and i have black belt in jujitsu.
morganti8 8 months ago
@morganti8 This isn't jujitsu. This is high school wrestling...
brtonsnowrider 8 months ago
@morganti8 The twisted is actually the guillotine. Eddie Bravo started using it in no gi and changed the name. .
1TWISTEDLOVE 7 months ago
@1TWISTEDLOVE i know, it just looks different without a gi.
morganti8 7 months ago
@morganti8
it was 1st the guilotine in wrestling. eddie bravo just started using it and chsnged the name to the twiister.
tigerninja14 7 months ago
@morganti8
wrestling was around long before jujitsu
i realise that it is similar to a twister, i am a jujitsu brown belt
but i was also a state ranke wrestler, and this move is a gullitine
your imput is appreciated but i think you got your sports twisted
TheSadandalone 6 months ago
@TheSadandalone thank you for clearing that up. it just looked like a jujitsu twister. how long have you been doing jujitsu for?
morganti8 6 months ago
@morganti8 since middle school, it always helped compliment my ground game for wrestling
jujitsu is an amazing art, with many amazing moves, some of them are bound to be the same
TheSadandalone 6 months ago
@TheSadandalone i know i have a black belt in jujitsu
morganti8 6 months ago
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@morganti8 No you don't. Who do you train under?
cooltoon666 5 months ago
@morganti8 black belt under who?
Martialdoismyway 3 months ago
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Martialdoismyway 3 months ago
@TheSadandalone glad to see there's more BJJ wrestlers out their that know there stuff
Martialdoismyway 3 months ago
this move is easy when you learn how to ride legs---centereach wrestling
centereachwrestling 8 months ago
basically this move is extremely easy to escape until the point where he has gable grip on your head, but mots of the times it will be easy for your opponent to transition to another submission.
this isn't a threat in wrestling, so it's just lack of knowledge on these kids'/trainers' part which allows them to be submitted.
unconspicuous 9 months ago
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unconspicuous 9 months ago
the twiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiister!
KakashiTheAnon 9 months ago
@Tidoublemy Thank you for the knowledge. Good day to you.
Busternutt69 10 months ago
okay. MMA fan here. Why is this called a guillotine, then the MMA guillotine is a front choke? Always wondered. Obviously this guillotine was first. But just wondering.
Busternutt69 10 months ago
@Busternutt69 The MMA Guillotine is a BJJ choke and i'm assuming it entered the lexicon of MMA under the BJJ version because it is executed a lot more often. The Wrestling Guillotine (the Twister in BJJ) is a lot more rare in MMA so that's why it didn't get absorbed into the MMA vernacular since it was only recently done in the UFC by the Korean Zombie. I'm assuming that is the reason.
Tidoublemy 10 months ago
@Tidoublemy the twister is not bjj either technically.
Jsnowboard 10 months ago
@Tidoublemy
Also the Korean Zombie was the 1st one to pull it off in the UFC, not MMA as a sport
numbah16 9 months ago
and then they went to the shower and gay'ed it up...
InEXII 10 months ago
u got free ur leg or ur done
sawyerhalo3 10 months ago
These guillotines are terrible quality. The refs are only pinning the kids to give them relief from the pain.
gowdizzle 10 months ago
Sniff that armpit.
itsmegp46 10 months ago
well this video has a great example of a few first year wrestlers who can counter this.
2funnyhawaiians 11 months ago
bad move, would never work on good wrestlers. If the guy just turns to you instead of just laying there flat he woulda gotten a reversal
daykellonko 11 months ago
@daykellonko no no no great move seen it done on sectional finalist.... is nearly inescapable once you get it locked in
ewnjr 11 months ago
@ewnjr no, if you know the guy's going for a guillotine all you have to do is face him when he drops, and theres a reversal. trust me it's a terrible move
daykellonko 11 months ago
@daykellonko no if u face him wen he goin for the guillotin ur turnin into the move
ewnjr 11 months ago
@ewnjr What? no, people have tried it a whole bunch of times on me, it was free reversal for me. you just turn your budy with towards him and it's a Saturday night ride ez reversal
daykellonko 11 months ago
@daykellonko no its not possiable with the leg in and the arm slightly to fully behind the head...unless u dislocked ur hip u never reversed it and u say a bunch of times...the amount of people ive seen attempt this move are 5 at best one being a team mate who placed 6th in states... the guillotine being his main pining compation with banana split spilt for a break down then belly out forceing oppoint to base
ewnjr 11 months ago
@ewnjr Unless you figure4 your legs it is passable, also i highly doubt a #6 in states would EVER risk doing banana splits or guillotine
daykellonko 11 months ago
@daykellonko well ur wrong about the risk taking and if u throw a leg in u dont hav to figure 4 if u have great leg riding abilitys
ewnjr 11 months ago
@ewnjr You obviously haven't wrestled more than 2 years, any good wrestlers would know this move is risky as well as banana splits. Yeah you can go ahead and reply to this by lying saying you wrestled for 8 years blah blah you qualified for masters etc etc,
daykellonko 11 months ago
@daykellonko def wreslted for 4...high school years....and again when a skilled leg rideing is doing these move the risk factor is much less then u or me where to attempt it and idk how u get the balls to call bullshit on me when i teammated with (the leg rider) for 4 years
ewnjr 11 months ago
@ewnjr I don't think you understand, I'm not saying that it's hard to get a leg ride in, I'm saying maintaining it after you fall down for the guillotine is hard, his body strength is definitely more than enough to turn towards you before you have him in a guillotine, you can't hold his body strength with just 1 leg that's hooked in hence why i said "if you figure 4 your legs it might work"
daykellonko 11 months ago
I hurt a kid doing that and the red said it was legal so I won I like that move
wecforces 11 months ago
was the second one legal? i didnt think that figure 4 was legal but then again im not sure
ItsDaShit9476 1 year ago
i hated when people leg rode me, but then i started doing them, their so fun, and you can tire people out really fast
562ole 1 year ago
nice
562ole 1 year ago
my signature move in high skool
hotsuma4 1 year ago
a little after 00:28 you hear the coach say "Watch the junk"
TimmyChilders1 1 year ago
thought this was a twister
Sal1the1great 1 year ago
i tried this in practice i couldnt get it, i still cant figure out what i might be doing wrong. i have trouble after the part where you put thier arm above your head, right before you roll. any tips?
Zeus101mon 1 year ago
@Zeus101mon Once you get their arm (say their right arm) around your head, you then take your (left) arm and get it around theri head (watch video...you can see when they do it). At that point they really have no choice but to go to their back. Just lock up the reverse half and if you need to let the leg out. 99% of my pins in HS were with this move...done correctly, it's unstoppable (even was able to get it on a State Champ and runner-up)... Hope this helps
GreersGoods 1 year ago
@GreersGoods thank you and it does help
Zeus101mon 1 year ago
@Zeus101mon One more quick tip on getting the arm. Notice in the video where the kid on bottom is defending by locking his hands? Brute strength and peeling uses a lot of energy, but if you hook the elbow with your (left) arm. Then grab his wrist with the other hand. Twist the wrist and use your (left) arm to straighten his elbow. Once the arm is straight, should be easy to get over your head. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Glad it helps
GreersGoods 1 year ago
@Zeus101mon ask your coach
562ole 1 year ago
Isn't it dangerous for the spine? As the other guy said it's practically a submission, and this guy can't even tap out... I didn't think it was legal in wrestling!
Madmac79 1 year ago
@Madmac79 yes it is dangerous. particularly so if the person doesnt really know how to do it properly. my cousin was paralized from the waist down at age 16 in a highschool wrestling match from this move.
twist3dh3at 1 year ago
@twist3dh3at wow. how?
also check out my match. skip to 3 10 for my guillotine, my foot slipped cuz i kinda rushed it but i thought it was pretty good
12CREAM21 1 year ago
@Madmac79 Not only is it legal, it's a lot of fun.
TheAngryToasters 2 months ago
Try to get out atleast don't just sit there like a fish ( last 1)
bananas5O5 1 year ago
the last 1 was rape!
knightlego0 1 year ago
Horrible technique, the last guy has a scissor on the leg, which is illegal in folk style. 1. Sink the leg 2. place your right elbow in the center of his back 3. grab his elbow with your right hand 4. grab his wrist with your left hand 5. use your right arm as a lever to pull his arm around your head 6. wait 5 seconds 7. put your right thumb knuckle in his temple 8. put your left hand over your right hand and squeeze hard toward you. 9. walk to center of mat, get hand raised
t7853jw 1 year ago
If you really want to get the guillotine and the guy is locking his hands or keeping his arm tucked tight you can put your elbow into his ribs for leverage. The last guy pushes his arm all the way through and tugs when he could be putting his elbow into the ribs, getting more leverage, and maintaining better position.
jrshipley 1 year ago
I used this all the time in HS. Often you can't get it, but it sets up a transition to a ball and chain when they try to keep you from sinking it in. Then you can work tilts with the leg in or take it out.
jrshipley 1 year ago
This move is a legit submission hold it trashes the cervical and thoracic spine bytwisting it and elongating it ...it is as old as fighting itself and is first seen in ancient greece in the pankration ...but was made popular in our time by Billy Rielly and Billy Robinson and old school CACC wrestling schools in the UK (wigan, lancashire pit wrestlers)...at the moment Eddie Bravo of 10th planet BJJ teaches it as "the twister " , it is not a banned move in most submission grappling competitions.
wolverinemmayork 1 year ago
that a 5 on 2 I saw in the first clip
DownHomeWithMyrtle 1 year ago
do you think there are any videos showing that show how to perform this move?
or maybe could you post one?
drizzle909 1 year ago
s move is so painful. I've never been pinned in a guillotine but I was curious to know how it felt so I taught my brother how to run and it feels like someone's ripping your shoulder out of it's rotator cuff. Especially that second guillotine.
Dillestman 1 year ago
Nice video. Thanks.
browneye1968 1 year ago
I love this move.... but i only know it as the twister... Its so cool to see how fast these guys can pull it off!
75ehwtcv 1 year ago
to everyone: they have the arm too. which makes it perfectly legal. don't argue about this move, it's a rare occasion that someone gets it. unless they hunt for it nonstop. and also it won't be called a stalemate if the guy's on his back. sooner or later, they'll be pinned, or another quater will start.
FUCKKitsABE 1 year ago
Only in wrestling would this be legal. Buncha' meat-heads!
aswtx75 1 year ago
Suck a dick
quinnspector 1 year ago
@aswtx75 let me guess you play golf? lmfao.
Laynerzk 1 year ago
@Laynerzk
Never even hit a golf ball.
This is a dangerous move for the spine, obviously an important part of the body. This is actually a move that I'm decent at, at least in training; but I don't try and finish people with it. Techniques like this is what keeps people from training wrestling as they get older.
aswtx75 1 year ago
u be alright but u should of banana splited him and i was 6-1 and almost went to state
roviscanec 1 year ago
is this move legal in highschool folkstyle wrestling i really need to know?!
XANTtheGREATX1 1 year ago
yes
fistr 1 year ago
k thnx
XANTtheGREATX1 1 year ago
@fistr totally legal. can be hard to get your opponent into it though. the trick is once your legs are hooked around his thigh, getting him on his side and waiting for him to pause so you can then hook his arm behind you and go for the head. doesnt hurt to know the hold, just probably rare will you be in position to apply it. i always liked the banana splits personally. although i DID get a guy into this hold in a street fight outside a bar. started fighting, got to the ground and boom.
Doug19752533 1 year ago
Yea its legal but if you force it too fast the ref can stop the match because it's potential dangerous
KrosBlade 1 year ago
its a neck crank thats why im so curious and im a leg rider so i need some moves to do and i love this one
XANTtheGREATX1 1 year ago
@XANTtheGREATX1 Banana Splits is a good one for leg riders
Doug19752533 1 year ago
yeah i love that move also but its hard to pull off
XANTtheGREATX1 1 year ago
Might be legal in folkstyle (don't know because I'm Canadian), but in freestyle, Olympic wrestling the finish position is definitely illegal because it includes a headlock without an arm in (not that you couldn't still pull off the move with a slight modification).
jeremyemilio 1 year ago
yeah
XANTtheGREATX1 1 year ago
Is legal in folkstyle,just wehn you put it over your head.People bitch thats its potenially dangerous.
JacobMateos1993 1 year ago
well this obviously isnt the olympics and these are high school kids. when i was wrestling in high school this was a totally legal move. youre not allowed to crank the neck, in a jerking manor. it has to be a slow controlled movement. believe me you KNOW when youre being put into this hold lol and you can submit at any time.
Doug19752533 1 year ago
I know it isn't the Olympics. Not the point I was making. In the rest of the world there's no such thing as folk style wrestling. High school kids participate in either freestyle or Greco. In both of those, you aren't allowed a headlock (clasping both arms around your opponent's head or neck) unless you also have his arm clasped in there with his head. Whether you crank it or not is irrelivant. That's the international FILA rule... high school included.
jeremyemilio 1 year ago
And as far as I know, submissions aren't a part of amateur wrestling anywhere in the world, the US included.
jeremyemilio 1 year ago
At 01:20, I don't think the loser's right shoulder was ever on the mat. I think the ref called it a pin because he was in a lot of pain and was never gonna escape.
Does that happen sometimes? No one's gonna argue about it. The kid rolled over on the mat, holding his shoulder.
303Gregg 2 years ago
ya the ref has to call it because how pain full the move is
buzztnt2 1 year ago
wait, so if i do a guillotine and i make the kid "cry" then i get a pin?
i've never wresled but i know the basics and stuff, but yeah, do you think if i try really hard that i might get a few pins?
chich311 1 year ago
you cant intentionaly try to hurt some one but if u do it hard i guess
buzztnt2 1 year ago
No you just get an extra nearfall point and they break the match...so you get the 3 points and then an additional 1 point
KrosBlade 1 year ago
@chich311 you get 6 points for a "fall" which is winning the match by pin or submission. trust me you DO NOT want to be put into this hold, or others such as the banana splits (which tears your opponents groin muscles apart) or the tightwaist (where you are behind your opponent, taking your right arm, reaching around across his navel to try and get completely around to put your hand on his back. then pulling and squeezing and tightening as hard a possible, if done right, he WILL throw up!)
Doug19752533 1 year ago
@chich311 if his shoulders are both on the mat its a pin. i saw a kid once being put into this hold and he was trying to shoulder roll away but got stuck, shoulders hit the mat, BING!!! match over
Doug19752533 1 year ago
kids on my team destroy with this move
bigbirdgrappler60 2 years ago
my fav move
paulgilbert54220 2 years ago
is that move the guillotine illegal in middle school folkstyle wrestling
Proxydeath1 2 years ago
no.
coltsfan558 2 years ago
NOPE
xXMasterOfVOODOOXx 2 years ago
@Proxydeath1 it is not
soljaman10 2 years ago
@Proxydeath1 no, it is legal at the middle, high school and college level, illegal in olympic rules
Doug19752533 1 year ago
That crossface at the end looked painful, and thats part of the move bud. I've popped a kids shoulder connecting the guillotine in. But thats wrestling for you, your gonna get hurt.
himynamesbob95 2 years ago
@himynamesbob95 i saw a guy get his nose smashed just from a cross face. one thing my dad and coach would tell me was when i got someone in a hold, squeeze. but the guy i saw had a crossface on him, the guy either squeezed or was trying to turn him and "AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!" blood all over his face and chest. poped his nose like a pimple. messed up part was he was a damn good wrestler and wore a mask after that but was scared of getting hurt and never wrestled the same again.
Doug19752533 1 year ago
a couple of those really looked illegal. it looked like his shoulder was gonna pop out of place.
vasiliadist 2 years ago
@vasiliadist one thing one of my first coaches said "wrestling IS pain".... from the conditioning, to the training, to the competing. those holds are designed to make someone submit! how do you do that? not by tickling them! does getting hit in boxing hurt? hell yes!
Doug19752533 1 year ago
what is that move called at 0:38
Er2f 2 years ago
Look at the name of the video. That will give you a hint.
scratchallday 2 years ago
@scratchallday lololol exactly! its not called the french tickler! lolololololol. heres a few more "pain"ful titles - Banana Splits, Tightwaist, Crossface, Bow and Arrow...all legal holds
Doug19752533 1 year ago
The 2nd one cheer leaders are so annoying......... they belong at basketball games not matches. at my school we call this move the mushroom =)
MsWrestler1 2 years ago
mixindave do you wanna fucking die your asking for a fucking death sentace wanna fight buddy fight me you queer queef sucker
Eastlake44 2 years ago
Man, in the last one the guy almost looked like he was doing a neck crank. The other guy looked in pain.
By the way, if you just add a neck crank to it you get what's called a twister in submission wrestling (not to be confused with a twister in pin wrestling).
kommisar 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i always thought american men where totally queer lol
mixindave1 2 years ago
Dude. . . go up to a wrestler and say that. You'll soon learn, like people in the Ultimate Fighting Championships did in the early days, what it feels like to be slammed to the ground and have your joints dislocated. Of course, if they happen to be gay, they could make you their personal sex doll in no time flat.
Elvisman2001 2 years ago 2
wrestling is a pants sport, end of story. you know why?? wwf/wwe made a fake entertainment show out of it.
mixindave1 2 years ago
you're right about the wwf/wwe thing. but that wrestling and folkstyle wrestling (the type of wresting in this video) are two completely different types of wrestling
ndwrestler 2 years ago
bitch
bet u wont go to a state champ n say dat
blakTiGGeRXXX 2 years ago
the last one, the red should have called a stalemate.
they were both just wrestling for 1 arm for like 30 seconds.
x1ofakind1x 2 years ago
Na dude, this move is amazing, it got me to Regionals
Arccavy 2 years ago
i would never use that move. it's too risky. best to sick with basic bread and butter double legs and cradles
punjsher 2 years ago
Pshh fuck that dude this is a high percentage move in submission grappling. No-gi jiu-jitsu master Eddie Bravo transitioned this wrestling move into jiu-jitsu with many different combinations and variations off of it to submit an opponent, though without the submission this is still a strong pin for traditional wrestling. I suggest you try it out first, you can get it from side control, sprawl control, turtle position, the back...the list goes on. It's a great move
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austinp2412 2 years ago
In turkey we says:Arabic teknik
arelsamil 2 years ago
that was great
xxNANNERPUSSxx 2 years ago
I dont understand all the guys claiming to wrestle 215 and heavyweght on here saying they are too heavy for this move...? i wrestled 189 and heavyweight (they didn't have 215 when i wrestled in high school) and i used to kill heavyweights with double leg/single leg takedowns and cross body rides with moves like this one. I was successful because i DIDN'T wrestle like a heavy weight.
Elvisman2001 2 years ago
yah thats true but alot of the heavyweights and 215s are to fit the legs between the thighs properlty or they dont have the leg strength to keep the move, beacuse a cross body done right does hurt your own legs.
person0013 2 years ago
Just work on your flexibility. Anyone with decent leg flexibility will be fine holding or being held in this position
getthetapjj 2 years ago
hell yeah dude, like your thinking man
guitarromike 2 years ago
when you lock your hands across the guys forehead it hurts like hell
SilentB1ade 2 years ago
Dude, if he locks his ankles, you're done. the only way for him not to get near-fall is to push back into him when he throws the leg in. If he does that, then you keep him from locking his ankles. Trust me, i lasted all 3 periods with a three time state champ who's pinned everyone this year; or teched for that matter
Sweat52 2 years ago
the last one looked painful lol
reverseShuvit 3 years ago
the second guy didnt grab the head he grabbed the neck
no-no
Danzo7296 3 years ago
One of my fav moves
Brampson123 3 years ago
whoa whoa whoa whoa, the move we call twister is when you the other dude shoots on you, and you "bury your arms" (basically a double underhook, but in front) and you grab with your right hand, your arm and jsut "twist" over the dude and pin him
flyingsword09 3 years ago
Is this legal in folk?
jojojaykay 3 years ago
no its legal
balboa1794 3 years ago
i meant yes it is
balboa1794 3 years ago
look at the old timers they did this technique many years ago
alfredtink 3 years ago
its not called the twister, eddie just called it that. stealing it from wrestling. stick with the original name.
alfredtink 3 years ago
can anyone verify this or this is just another 'what came first, the chicken or the egg' situations?
RenegadeBJJ 3 years ago
read his book, he said he learned it in wrestling and brought it into BJJ
awsomeguy482 3 years ago
yeah, he fully admits that he got it from wrestling. it was the only sub he knew when he started bjj so he used it a lot. he also developed a whole crap load of ways to get it (ways that wouldn't come up in wrestling.. for instance, when your opponent is on his back.. that kinda thing wouldn't happen in wrestling cause the match is already done pretty much)... his trainers called it a twister cause they didn't know what it was.. he did it so much that eventually it was his nickname, twister
brakzorak86 2 years ago
besides the fact that there's already a move in sub wrestling called a guillotine, hence the necessary renaming.
vanity81 3 years ago
awesome i didnt know you could crank the head in folkstyle
FreakingAwesomeFilms 3 years ago
yea
phipy1024 3 years ago
i pinned a kid wt dis for the first time to day and i had no clue wut i was doing i had never even seen this b4 today i just knew how i could get him to his bak (im a freshmen 112lb and its my first year)
shortykid94 3 years ago
looks like his shoulder snaps at 2:13
Dogdrule 3 years ago
I am glad the ref finally put that last kid out of his misery.
moretac8l37 3 years ago
ugh...this is the ultimate WORST pin to get trapped in...it happened to me at least 3 times last year...
WrestlenAnimal797 3 years ago
Well, it is definately the ultimate worst pin to get trapped in, but what about the spadle or the double arm bar chicken wing? THese are also painful, humiliating and hard to escape....., if you ever got trapped in or had opponents trapped in.
palestis2 3 years ago
dont forget the banana split
gvcam09 3 years ago
WTF is the diff between a spldle nd a bannana split????
DEEPINKISSABBATH 3 years ago
not a whole lot but the spladle is a defensive move and you end up by their head, the banana split is offensive and your on the other side
gvcam09 3 years ago
On the banana split the head is on the outside, on the spladle the head is against the body
redsoxfanatic2007 2 years ago
isnt the guillotine in jits
wuts the real name of this move?
TheD0henyBeachBadBoy 3 years ago
its still called a guillotine
its just a different move
screamosk8r 3 years ago
In BJJ it's called the Twister. It's originally a wrestling move, however when Eddie Bravo went to implement it into BJJ, the name Guillotine was already taken.
redsoxfanatic2007 3 years ago
The guillotine in jits is the front headlock choke, but in wrestling it's the name for this neck cranking pin. When Eddie Bravo tried to bring the "Wrestler's Guillotine" into jits he couldn't keep it named the guillotine because the name was already taken, so he named it the twister.
redsoxfanatic2007 3 years ago
That's actually not true. It was jean jacques and rigan machado who called it the guillotine -- not bravo. The name just stuck.
vanity81 3 years ago
whoa whoa whoa... bravo knew it was called a guillotine... he called it a guillotine.. machado (forgot which one) did care what the name was, he just called it "that twster thing" or something like that... eventually bravo was pulling it so much that they called him twister.. he (and everyone) knows it's a guillotine in wrestling, and never claims otherwise.. he probably would've called it a guillotine also, but his trainers called it twister
brakzorak86 2 years ago
yea i meant to say the machado's called it the twister, bravo knew it was called a guillotine from wrestling.
vanity81 2 years ago
Catch wrestlers used to call the front headlock a "Chancery". How old timey is that shit?
Xaymot 2 years ago
yea in jits u choke them out..
stiflerbitch 3 years ago
No you tweak their spine
spoonitnow 2 years ago
It's called the Twister in submission grappling and BJJ. Check out Eddie Bravo's 10th Planet System for more info.
frusciantelove 3 years ago
in the second video when he is in the pinning portion when he reached over to lock around the neck its better to do it around the head it works so much better and causes them a lot more pain. plus it gets there shoulders completely to the mat.
TickleMeOsama 3 years ago
sick move gotta try it
Patteyo 3 years ago