so explain this for me.. When i was about 6 years old (1994) I looked up and saw a swept forward airplane... I did research and found that the x-29 was retired about a decade after it was introduced (1994). but all the info ive found on it has shown that it wasnt anywhere near where I live (pope airforce base NC). So... Did i see the x29 or something much different... It was a clear day and the plan looked about 4mm long from 800ft above sea level help me out with conversions. i want to knowlol
Neither were the first one (or the second one) to use forward swept wings The first one is the Junker Ju-287 and the second one is probablely the Hamburger Flugzeugbau HFB-320.
Anyone ever wonder why the British are working with USA to make F-35? We put the radar, missile & stealth technology, the British put the exhaust technology from their Harriers.
@prjerry7 dude, i know you must be enthusiastic about your jets, but you're completely wrong. the harrier's and f35's vertical lift systems are COMPLETELY different. it'd be like saying henry ford copied the design of a car from a horse. same general idea, completely different and unrelated engineering.
i can't and wont explain the differences to you in 500 chars, but look it up yourself - they have NO relation.
@oldfrend by copy im speaking of the idea, the first vertical lisfint system on a jet was British Short SC.1, the concept we got from the British, NOT the Soviets.
@prjerry7 ok now you're just makin' shit up. before you delete your previous posts, you CLEARLY said harrier, not sc1. f35 borrrowed NOTHING from the harrier; not the engineering, and certainly not the idea for VTOL, which had been extensively experimented with in both countries.
and i quote "...the british put the exhaust technology from their harriers." which is a clearly incorrect statement as their lift systems have nothing in common.
@oldfrend f-35 is joint british & US aircraft, do you REALLY think the British didn't develop THAT part of the F-35, which isn't a technology theiv been experimenting with decades before USA or USSR.
why are communist bloc fanboys almost always so willfully misinformed? everyone please downvote that idiot DiscoverRussia so that that steaming pile of red propaganda isn't seen again.
the ONLY thing we borrowed from the yak141 was the rotating rear exhaust (yak didn't even have the more efficient lift fan in f35b). in every other way f35 is lightyears ahead of the yak141. and as stated before, f35 'A' and 'C' version have ZERO commonality with the yak.
@oldfrend no we copied the exhaust from British Harrier which is 27 years older then Yak141, discoverrussia seems to have been brainwashed from RT's government controlled media
germans tinkered with this design in the late 30s and 40s. The forward swept wings increases manueverability, reduces stall at wingtips, and solves the problem of interference of bombbay compartments and the wing roots. They dont use it because there isnt a material strong enough to keep the wingroots from twisting.
germans tinkered with this design in the late 30s and 40s. The forward swept wings increases manueverability, reduces satll at wingtips, and solves the problem of interferance of bombbay compartments and the wing roots. They dont use it because there isnt a material strong enough to keep the wingroots from twisting.
my father said that whole plane is stainless steel.... built from one huge die,,, he helped build it in northrup grummin in suffolk county long island... thay built the plane to see if a foward swept wing would fly.. and how fast.......
What is wrong in copying? It is evolution, by copying it you will give the design life. Russians were involved in F-35. There is no shame in copying cool stuff. Everyone does it.
@vmorgun you do realize that the Soviet collapsed and went bankrupt in 1990 right? Their currency went to hell and many of their sattelite states broke away. Russian cities look poorly maintained and they are still barely trading with the number consumer in the world the USA. All Russia has going is selling oil to Europe out of desperation.
@vmorgun I lived in Japan for 5 years in the 90s until 2000. It was 4.5 years too long. Burning kerosene to stay warm in poorly made houses or living in high rise towers and paying high taxes and fees made me appreciate living in the U.S. The first time you walk into your shower in Japan and grab your shampoo bottle and its frozen. That is a sobering experience. I have also been to Vladivostok, Phillipines, and Korea.....It was even worse. Russia looks like it did on TV in the 1950s.
@Warpath2198 90's were very bad in former soviet states. I visited former soviet states and lived there in the 90s, and I definitely appreciate America where hot water/electricity 24/7 is a normal occurrence. My point is the 90s are over and many things changed for the better. I wish Russia and it's neighbors to evolve democratically and have healthy economy. I am just being positive I guess :)
@Warpath2198 i am from the phillipines good thing it never snows here but then again plagued with same old problems as per the other countries mentioned
@Warpath2198 I don't think it's as pessimistic as you say it is. Anyway I'm planning to visit Moscow next summer so if it is as bad as you say I will let you know. I wish I had some oil to sell out of desperation :)
I agree with oka171. The Mig 25 has been around since 1964, more than ten years before the F15, and the F15 looks very similar. Regarding the so-called "copy cats", that's the entire world all over. We all copy one another from time to time. The Ho229 and the Ho18, I find very fascinating.
@nakazatoGTR Okay. The Mig-25 was an awesome bit of kit, especially for 1964. In the ten years from the 50s to the 60s, aviation had a huge leap forward, both in military and civilian terms. The F-15 came about ten years later. I think the F-15 is gradually being phased out. The F-16, which first flew in 1974 is still in service and used by many countries. An incredibe piece of machinery!
@1100HondaCB But something that alot of people dont know about the (then) General Dynamics F-16, is that there was a competition between that and a F20 Tigershark (My guess a suped-up F-5 airframe). There was on pilot that some people may know : Chuck Yeager flew both aircraft, and had said that the F 20 outflew the the F16 in climb rate, maneuverability, and acceleration but yet the governing officials chose the single engine F16. The only reason I can think of might be payload.
@jaymzedge1 The F20 is indeed a modified F5. The F16 has better carrying capacity. One can use it as interceptor, GR, ground attack. Basically, it can be a multi-role fighter carrying a vast array of weapons, whereas the F20 would struggle to compete on these grounds. Was Yeager the first to go through the sound barrier in 1947 in a Bell X-1?
@1100HondaCB "On October 14, 1947, Charles E. “Chuck” Yeager, a decorated American ace, became the first flyer to officially “break the sound barrier” by flying at Mach 1.015 (or 670 miles per hour [1,O78kph]) at forty-two thousand feet [12,801.5m]) in the experimental Bell X-1." this is from Century-of-flight...net The jet Age. Everything I have seen says that yes he was the first to fly faster than sound. Ok figured as much for the capacities of the other acft we mentioned, Good info thanks!!
@jaymzedge1 Now as for the altitude at which Yeager broke the sound barrier, the difference in air pressures at 42,000 ft versus at or near sea level means the the speed needed to accomplish this task WILL NOT be the same at different altitudes. 761.2 mph<---(aerospaceweb....org) is needed at sea level and as mentioned before only 670 mph at 42,000 ft.
@1100HondaCB F-15 is like US's answer to bruttally manufactured stuff from the other side of the table. it is tough, did land on one wing and never been shot down. yes phasing out the 15,like the 14, thats why the raptor was being thought of way before the 15 a got any older, in the next 6 years someone will be offering a design to relieve the 22.
about the 16, well its an LM product, what else could be your reason eh lol, like theyre meant to last they meant to be user friendly!
Firstly, I should remind to our friends, which say that many airplanes produced by Russia are replicas, that the first attempt to create such an aircraft was made by the Germans with Junkers Ju-287 in WWII. This aicraft is not only a design but was created and flew! Moreover, there are many photos of X-29 with both the flags of US and Germany on it. So it should be fair enough to say that the idea (at least) was not American!! As happens many many times...
Forwardswept wing - dont new. Experiments with him were long, on both sides of the ocean. In 1945 in the USSR tested LL-3 planer with forwardswept wing.
What's so tough for YOU to understand what a "replica" is?
And no, I reaaly don't get your point about what difference it makes if the Buran could be carried by non-existent rocket. Perhaps you should lay off the pot.
"The Russians copy everything"? Umm... in a word, no. The X-29 was not turned into a fighter for a reason; it wasn't toughly enough built to survive. The S-47 Berkut is a real world fighter aircraft. The MiG-25/27/29 aren't copies of any American fighter, and neither is the MiG-31. The Su-27/30, etc series also are not copies of anything American.
@Demokrator86 That may be true, but so what? The Sukhoi T-50 is more than a flying laboratory; it's a full fledged, now-in-production fighter that is superior in every way to the Eurofighter, and unlike the F-22 Raptor is AFFORDABLE. The F-35/B is no competition for it either, since it's a half-weight fighter that was only designed as an adjunct to the Raptor, like the F-16 was to the F-15 Eagle.
@TheRealScotius Oh jesus... Now in production? You'v got to be kidding me! Mass production is scheduled for 2020! Look man i'm russian and i know this stuff better then you.
@Demokrator86 A news report said that they're planning to sell it abroad in 2015. That wouldn't work if they were not planning to produce it until 2020. In any case, the original argument was about the X-29 and whether or not the Russians "copy everything". They certainly don't. The fact is that their aircraft of whatever generation are better than their US equivalents, and also better than their Western European equivalents. The Typhoon would not be much of a match for the Su-27 and following.
this is german world war two tech. all modern jet tech come from germany as domay other info such as smoking gives you cancer but nazi germany is a shame to the german peole that is why it is such a huge burden to them to talk about world war two.
It is correct that this plane was inherrently unstable for all the reasons you stated such as agility etc however a forward swept wing is not inherrently unstable. If you ensure the centre of gravity is in front of the centre of lift then it will be as stable as a rear swept wing of similar design. The biggest problem with forward swept wings is aeroelastic divergence which means the wing has to be made very stiff which means more weight.
the only problem with forward swept wings its that if you go over around mach 0.81 there will be shock waves all along the planes wing. Hence, you would have to make the wings out of a stronger material, which would make it heavier. But if you had a powerful enough engine you could probably.
@vostok1119 some of the plane's wings will and won't be in the supersonic cone of air around the plane which will lead to your plane being inoperable or damaged.
Sorry Burn8tor but that is not quite right. At transonic speeds a forward swept wing will behave the same as a rear swept wing however at low speeds it has a huge advantage due to spanwise flow being inward instead of outward. At supersonic speeds you have the problem of trying to ensure the wings are inside the mach cone (the shock wave that comes off the nose mach 1.3=45°, mach 2=60°) which is difficult due to the forward sweep. Due to this I suspect the X-29 would achieved mach 1.5 at most.
@jtully79 i was talking about the su-47, not the x-29. i would have suspected the x-29 to go over mach 1 but i don't think the su-47 will. i mean if you think about it why didn't they make all modern day planes have forward swept wings.
Su-47 looks very close to this jet only it has 2 engines instead of one. Yes Russians copied Americans jet again, the forward slept wings are nothing new but add the forward canards and you have a copied jet.
Yes technically you're correct, but NACA (NASA) experimented with the advantages of forward swept wings, by mounting them on an X-1 and flying it in a wind tunnel.
It was only 1 plane that had it I believe. And there were quite a few variants of the X-1.
X-29a first flew in 1984, SU-47 first flew in 1997. And everyone knows the Ruskies copy everything, and I mean everything. Case in point the Buran, poor Russian copy of the Space Shuttle and even the venerable AK-47 is a copy of a Nazi German StG44 assault rifle.
First, project СУ-47 has begun in 1983, but has ended because of bad financing in 1988, then гогда this project have given to fleet, here then this project has begun to arise again.
Secondly, if you Twix2247 though неможко know history of creation АК-47 and StG44 you of such stupid conclusions would not do that, потомучто it is absolutely different automatic machines, to you it will tell any expert, read history!
Though he denied that his design was based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle. Kalashnikov himself observed: "A lot of [soldiers] ask me how one can become a constructor, and how new weaponry is designed. Before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field. I myself have had many experiences confirming this to be so."
@Twix2247 There's one small difference. The AK47 worked pretty well(And outperforms most US assault rifles). The X29 was beaten out by a contractual nasty made by the development staff of the X22, now the F22. Also, the X29 was a bit of a budget nasty, and produced unsatisfactory results in material safety, and in fly-by-wire control, all things that can be easily rectified today. But alas, money's already been put into something else.
Also, the Buran got squished in a warehouse accident.
you think that russian copied x29 only because you see planes with similar wings?you're idiot.also you don't know that Buran only looks like Shuttle because they are both reaching speeds nearly 30000 km/h and they can't have different avionics.Energy(rocket which carries Buran)can carry not only Buran.while Space shuttle is indivisible complex.
It's myth the aerodynamics dictated the Buran to look exactly like the Shuttle. It was a copy, and the soviet engineer who were responsible lamented over it time and over again. Even the Buran crew entrance hatch is exactly in the same position and same shape as the Shuttle. Hardly explainable by aerodynamic reasons. The politbyro rejected every design proposal, until they got a direct copy of the US Space Shuttle. However, Berkut is not and never was a copy of the X-29.
@KarriKoivusalo can you imagine another aerodynamics?maybe Buran was copied, but it had some construction qualities which made Buran different from Shuttle.if rocket Proton could carry Buran weight, Buran could be placed on Proton.First and last flight of Buran was fully automatic from start table to landing strip, ...
Buran wasn't carried by Proton, but by Energia. Also, I can imagine several different aerodynamic approaches; X-20, X-30, X-33, X-37, X-38, the French Hermes, the British Hotol and the Russian Spiral / MiG-105 and Kliper projects. Those have the aerodynamic similarities, but none look like the shuttle. Politburo wanted a replica, they got a replica.
@KarriKoivusalo I know that Buran vwas carried by Energia.I gave you an example that that shuttle can fly like one monolith thing and Buran can fly on another rocket, not only on Energia.But another rocket is not exist so it fly with Energia.understand!?I want to say that they only look like similar, but different inside.
Buran can only use Energia, nothing else. Proton's payload to LEO is 20 tons, Buran weighs 40 tons empty. At best it'll do a low suborbital hop. And isn't "same on the outside" exactly what a replica is? Politburo wanted a look-alike, and they got it. Why the AN-225 doesn't look a bit like the Boeing 747 SCA, even though they have the exact same mission?
Not saying Buran was inferior, BTW. It had some impressive features.
are you idiot!?IF another rocket like Energia ,which can carry Buran's weight, is exist - Buran could be carried by this rocket, but I know that this rocket not exist, Energia has no analogues.now you understand me?
@Twix2247 You are moron...if Su-47 is a copy of X-29 than all other planes with swept wings are copy of each other........ Search in google: Junkers Ju 287 (for those who knows something about aviation)
2)AK-47 is NOT a copy of a StG44. Two different guns, do not eat shit.
3)Buran? YES. But it made only one flight. Buran was answer like "we can make it too" but will fly our Soyuz, because it's better
3)Check Beriev A-60 from 70s and compare for example with our New Airborne Laser))))
1. Buran is automatic space vehicle with much biger payload and automatic flying system. It was caried in space by rocket and fly down to earth by remotecontrol from space center in Russia. It was not intendet to put man in space, but to put nuclear warheads into space. It is faaar by moore advanced vehicle than US space shuttle.
2. Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute from Moscow allready experimented with forward-swept wings Tsibin LL plane in late 40`s. This is very old tech.
3. If you ever had AK-47 in your own hand...you would know that AK-47 has completely different mechanisms and mechanical parts inside than StG-44 rifle.
5. F-35 is the jet that is complete copy of Russian Yak-141 VSTOL aircraft. US scientists even payed Yakovlev factory and designer himself millions of US$ to revel the plans and blueprints of Yak-141 to them.
@DiscoverRussia dude you are so full of shit its laughable. The inventor of the AK-47 worked with the inventor of the STG-44 after world war II yet the Soviets only gave credit Kalashnikov. You little Russian people have been reverse engineering designs for over a 100 years. You don't invent anything. So you're little fairytale is even more comical.
@DiscoverRussia F 35 is completely different aircraft from yak 144. It is not copy, it has only it's vtol type engine. Airframe has completely different airframe - you just needed some research.
And Ak-47 and StG-44 has only little difference in handling and feeling: this was told by one my friend former USSR Desant trooper. After fall of Union he serves as sergant in volunteer forces. He handled Ak-4 and various weapons. Thought he liked both Ak-47 and old Stg-44 and in some deegree Ak4.
@DiscoverRussia Germany was the first to develop an experimental prototype forward swept wing aircraft during world war 2. I think it was flown sucessfully about 1943, not sure what company built it but will find out. Like most modern fighter concepts today germany lead the world 60 years ago eg they had a working helicopter as well.
And the AK was a copy of the German rifle with some modifications. It's what the Nazis were arming their elite units with near the end of the war. The Russians "improved" on it with looser chambering requireing a reworking of the inner mechanics so the rifle could be fired in all weather.
@DiscoverRussia false, the F-35 was in part copy'd from the British Harrier which is approximately 27 years older then the Soviet Yak-141 which DID copy the British harrier as well.
@DiscoverRussia russian stealth technology is outed it took you 3 decades to make your first stealth aircraft,whats the point?by 2020,6th generation u.s. planes aree going to be made,while you still have pak fa
@ramb0nat0r First flight of Harrier: YAV-8B: 9 November 1978, AV-8B: 5 November 1981 First flight of Yakovlev: YAK-38: 9 May 1975.......YAK41.......YAK41M......YAK141: 9 March 1987
@DiscoverRussia Show me your evidence liar! your full of bullshit!! We have the Harrier!!! why would we copy your shitty Russian plane? And how can the F-35 be a copy of the Yak-141 if the Yak-141 has no stealth? dude your comment is just plane uneducated! Ohhh and by the way, have you ever heard of the Su-47? This is where the Russians got it:) the USA :D
@DailyStaley Actually the F-35 VTOL owes more to the Yak than the harrier. The main engine thrust vectoring and fixed angle lifting thrust behind the cockpit are obviously Yak inspired, though the technical implementation is totally different. As for SU-47 being an X-29 clone, the same applies, though to a lesser degree. SU-47 is a much heavier design all round, and is twin engined. But both are proof of similar concepts though, so will have some similarities. Form follows function.
@Twix2247 not only russians dude, americans also copied the MIG 25, and they came up with the famous F 15 Eagle, they also copied the german, Horten Ho 229 design and came up with the B2 spirit, also they copied the F 86 Sabre from the MIG 15 Fagot. thats how it used to be, the russians always come up with something new, and the americans steal it, and vise versa. it is just tactics, both of them are copiers, and when all are copiers, no one is !!!
@oka171@oka171 Northrop did not copy the Germans do you research first the B2 first flight was over 40 yrs after the Horten Ho 229 Northrop used the all-wing sailplanes prewar design from the Horten brothers and perfected which is nit the same as copy ,watch this plane is older than the Horten Ho 229,Northrop N-1M is from 1941 and here is a video /watch?v=GiMxEN7a6kY
@oka171 LOL, the F-15 is not a copy of the cheap ass MIG. The Russians have copied the first machine guns, technology from WWI tanks, tech for the T-34, copied prop fighters, prop bombers, atomic bombs/nuclear power, copied jet fighters, engines of all types, copied trucks, copied guns, copied cargo aircraft, copied the space shuttle, copied missiles, chemical and biological weapons, weapon calibers like the 5.556 etc. The Russians make very little don't kid yourself.
@oka171 The engine in the Mig 15 was reverse engineered from a Rolls Royce jet engine because the Russians couldn't get the German designed engine to work. The Russians didn't even pay the licensing fees. The XP-86 prototype, which would become the F-86 Sabre, first flew on 1 October 1947and the F-86 entered service in 1949 The first Mig 15 flew in Dec 1947 and the first production example flew on 31 December 1948. It entered Soviet Air Force service in 1949. How did the US copy the Mig 15?
@oka171 Hugo Junkers patented the wing concept in 1910. Jack Northrop was involved in innovative all-wing designs in the late-1920s with his first designs flying in 1928-1930 The "Flying Wing" (X-216H), was test flown in 1929. Northrop was also aware of Walter and Reimar Horten's pre-war record-setting "tailless" glider designs in Germany. The Jack Northrop designed N-1M first flew July 3 1941. . The first flight of the Ho 229 was March 1 1944. He copied the 229?
The MiG-25 copying was a funny story, actually. We had pictures and we had intel, but for some reason or another they didn't match up. The Americans saw the photos of the MiG-25 but thought it was an air superiority fighter. Thus we created the F-15 to counter what was actually a Mach 3 intercepter designed to counter our Mach 3 bomber that we never got around to using. Although we copied the airframe's key characteristics, it ended up being the best fighter in 20 years.
@Twix2247the russians copied the space shuttle ,but they just redesigned some minor things in the buran. its equipped with automated computer system when it lands..only a bit improved.
@Twix2247 X-29 egzist only in museum...WHY? ...becouse it`s to expensive, bed fighter, small radius of movement and slow..and everything in USA is product of emigrants. BURAN stoped becouse USSSR is down.., but buran can fly like plain and like that can enter in orbit......much better then shit-shuttle. AK47 is made to work in dirt and mud and water...STG44 can`t...and AK47 looks better
F-22 Raptor is the most technologically advanced fighter in the world. The F-22's stealth is so advanced that the Su-47 would be shot down way before they even saw a blip on radar, let alone visual contact. F-22:1 Su-47:0
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barket mean golden egle the su 47 its the best aircraft in the world(not the f22 raptor) su 47 golden egale are the best aircraft and what u say abou teh x29 and su 47..........................................................HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LOL THAT WAS SO FUNNY (go watch my vidow name:10 bets aircraft in the world go wathc now!
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X-29 VS SU-47
X-29 "Nooo!!! I'm dying!!!"
SU-47 "Headshot!!!!"
Yeah I simplified it for you gamers =). Overall the SU-47 is by far a more capable fighter aircraft hands down. Even the looks you can tell the durability of each.
so explain this for me.. When i was about 6 years old (1994) I looked up and saw a swept forward airplane... I did research and found that the x-29 was retired about a decade after it was introduced (1994). but all the info ive found on it has shown that it wasnt anywhere near where I live (pope airforce base NC). So... Did i see the x29 or something much different... It was a clear day and the plan looked about 4mm long from 800ft above sea level help me out with conversions. i want to knowlol
TheFeral0ne 1 week ago
@TheFeral0ne and yes... I meant 4 millimeters..
TheFeral0ne 1 week ago
The X-29 is such a beautiful Jet :)
Alestor10 3 weeks ago
hmmm the harrier would kick all asses any day. remember no plane out runs a well placed air to air msl so why make faster planes then harrier?
quintonhenwood 2 months ago
@quintonhenwood
Strategic usefulness.
When you have an airbase 400 miles away from where weapons need delivery, it's much better to get air support there in 20 minutes than 40 minutes.
In a dogfight, it helps to have a good thrust to weight ratio, but supersonic capability isn't necessary anymore.
SingularlyDatarific 1 month ago
but can it blend?
NZbobNZ 5 months ago
Whats with the rag head music ??
Soothgiven 5 months ago
Which one came first, SU-47 or X-29?
TEHGROUND 6 months ago
@TEHGROUND Сухого-47
russerbgreek 6 months ago
@TEHGROUND
Neither were the first one (or the second one) to use forward swept wings The first one is the Junker Ju-287 and the second one is probablely the Hamburger Flugzeugbau HFB-320.
357223308 6 months ago
@357223308 Thanks!
TEHGROUND 6 months ago
Anyone ever wonder why the British are working with USA to make F-35? We put the radar, missile & stealth technology, the British put the exhaust technology from their Harriers.
prjerry7 7 months ago
@prjerry7 dude, i know you must be enthusiastic about your jets, but you're completely wrong. the harrier's and f35's vertical lift systems are COMPLETELY different. it'd be like saying henry ford copied the design of a car from a horse. same general idea, completely different and unrelated engineering.
i can't and wont explain the differences to you in 500 chars, but look it up yourself - they have NO relation.
oldfrend 7 months ago
@oldfrend by copy im speaking of the idea, the first vertical lisfint system on a jet was British Short SC.1, the concept we got from the British, NOT the Soviets.
prjerry7 7 months ago
@prjerry7 ok now you're just makin' shit up. before you delete your previous posts, you CLEARLY said harrier, not sc1. f35 borrrowed NOTHING from the harrier; not the engineering, and certainly not the idea for VTOL, which had been extensively experimented with in both countries.
and i quote "...the british put the exhaust technology from their harriers." which is a clearly incorrect statement as their lift systems have nothing in common.
oldfrend 7 months ago
@oldfrend f-35 is joint british & US aircraft, do you REALLY think the British didn't develop THAT part of the F-35, which isn't a technology theiv been experimenting with decades before USA or USSR.
prjerry7 7 months ago
why are communist bloc fanboys almost always so willfully misinformed? everyone please downvote that idiot DiscoverRussia so that that steaming pile of red propaganda isn't seen again.
the ONLY thing we borrowed from the yak141 was the rotating rear exhaust (yak didn't even have the more efficient lift fan in f35b). in every other way f35 is lightyears ahead of the yak141. and as stated before, f35 'A' and 'C' version have ZERO commonality with the yak.
oldfrend 9 months ago
@oldfrend no we copied the exhaust from British Harrier which is 27 years older then Yak141, discoverrussia seems to have been brainwashed from RT's government controlled media
prjerry7 7 months ago
Sexy plane. I wanna fuck it.
roger201288 9 months ago
Fuck this arab Music MAN !
zVOLT220z 9 months ago
WOW GOOD VIEW RADAR SYSTEM NO RADAR CAN MISS THAT SHARP EAGE .
TreAldMatVideo 10 months ago
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germans tinkered with this design in the late 30s and 40s. The forward swept wings increases manueverability, reduces stall at wingtips, and solves the problem of interference of bombbay compartments and the wing roots. They dont use it because there isnt a material strong enough to keep the wingroots from twisting.
WHEREtheFUNK 11 months ago
germans tinkered with this design in the late 30s and 40s. The forward swept wings increases manueverability, reduces satll at wingtips, and solves the problem of interferance of bombbay compartments and the wing roots. They dont use it because there isnt a material strong enough to keep the wingroots from twisting.
WHEREtheFUNK 11 months ago
fucking arab music.....
dodg3rs21 1 year ago
all these aircraft are built of German WWII designs :}
faron27 1 year ago
Can't a guy watch a video about an aircraft WITHOUT lame music and fake sound effects?
productNine 1 year ago
my father said that whole plane is stainless steel.... built from one huge die,,, he helped build it in northrup grummin in suffolk county long island... thay built the plane to see if a foward swept wing would fly.. and how fast.......
460faust 1 year ago
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460faust 1 year ago
What is wrong in copying? It is evolution, by copying it you will give the design life. Russians were involved in F-35. There is no shame in copying cool stuff. Everyone does it.
vmorgun 1 year ago
@vmorgun Then tell that to Russians who are mad at China for copying Su-27.
OlderG0ds 1 year ago
@OlderG0ds LOL I know :)
vmorgun 1 year ago
@vmorgun the poor Russians who have no money were not involved in the F-35 lol.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@Warpath2198 That is what I heard, don't know how accurate that is. Russians do have money now btw.
vmorgun 1 year ago
@vmorgun you do realize that the Soviet collapsed and went bankrupt in 1990 right? Their currency went to hell and many of their sattelite states broke away. Russian cities look poorly maintained and they are still barely trading with the number consumer in the world the USA. All Russia has going is selling oil to Europe out of desperation.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
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vmorgun 1 year ago
@vmorgun I lived in Japan for 5 years in the 90s until 2000. It was 4.5 years too long. Burning kerosene to stay warm in poorly made houses or living in high rise towers and paying high taxes and fees made me appreciate living in the U.S. The first time you walk into your shower in Japan and grab your shampoo bottle and its frozen. That is a sobering experience. I have also been to Vladivostok, Phillipines, and Korea.....It was even worse. Russia looks like it did on TV in the 1950s.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@Warpath2198 90's were very bad in former soviet states. I visited former soviet states and lived there in the 90s, and I definitely appreciate America where hot water/electricity 24/7 is a normal occurrence. My point is the 90s are over and many things changed for the better. I wish Russia and it's neighbors to evolve democratically and have healthy economy. I am just being positive I guess :)
vmorgun 1 year ago
@vmorgun hey when u go just send me a message on youtube if u get a chance. I would like to hear how it is these days.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@Warpath2198 ok
vmorgun 1 year ago
@Warpath2198 i am from the phillipines good thing it never snows here but then again plagued with same old problems as per the other countries mentioned
nakazatoGTR 10 months ago
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@Warpath2198 I don't think it's as pessimistic as you say it is. Anyway I'm planning to visit Moscow next summer so if it is as bad as you say I will let you know. I wish I had some oil to sell out of desperation :)
vmorgun 1 year ago
I agree with oka171. The Mig 25 has been around since 1964, more than ten years before the F15, and the F15 looks very similar. Regarding the so-called "copy cats", that's the entire world all over. We all copy one another from time to time. The Ho229 and the Ho18, I find very fascinating.
1100HondaCB 1 year ago 12
@1100HondaCB nobody has copied more then the Soviets dude lol. Read more history its all there, its not a secret.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@1100HondaCB copies:
>B-29---TU4
>Space Shuttle----Buran
B1b----Tu160
something else
>F-15 PAWNS MIG-25, outmaneuvers, out climbs though not sure on top speed
nakazatoGTR 10 months ago
@nakazatoGTR Top speed of F-15 is about 1700mph. Top speed of MiG-25 is 2115mph.
1100HondaCB 10 months ago
@1100HondaCB i said not on top speed right?
nakazatoGTR 10 months ago
@nakazatoGTR Okay. The Mig-25 was an awesome bit of kit, especially for 1964. In the ten years from the 50s to the 60s, aviation had a huge leap forward, both in military and civilian terms. The F-15 came about ten years later. I think the F-15 is gradually being phased out. The F-16, which first flew in 1974 is still in service and used by many countries. An incredibe piece of machinery!
1100HondaCB 10 months ago
@1100HondaCB But something that alot of people dont know about the (then) General Dynamics F-16, is that there was a competition between that and a F20 Tigershark (My guess a suped-up F-5 airframe). There was on pilot that some people may know : Chuck Yeager flew both aircraft, and had said that the F 20 outflew the the F16 in climb rate, maneuverability, and acceleration but yet the governing officials chose the single engine F16. The only reason I can think of might be payload.
jaymzedge1 10 months ago
@jaymzedge1 The F20 is indeed a modified F5. The F16 has better carrying capacity. One can use it as interceptor, GR, ground attack. Basically, it can be a multi-role fighter carrying a vast array of weapons, whereas the F20 would struggle to compete on these grounds. Was Yeager the first to go through the sound barrier in 1947 in a Bell X-1?
1100HondaCB 10 months ago
@1100HondaCB "On October 14, 1947, Charles E. “Chuck” Yeager, a decorated American ace, became the first flyer to officially “break the sound barrier” by flying at Mach 1.015 (or 670 miles per hour [1,O78kph]) at forty-two thousand feet [12,801.5m]) in the experimental Bell X-1." this is from Century-of-flight...net The jet Age. Everything I have seen says that yes he was the first to fly faster than sound. Ok figured as much for the capacities of the other acft we mentioned, Good info thanks!!
jaymzedge1 10 months ago
@jaymzedge1 Now as for the altitude at which Yeager broke the sound barrier, the difference in air pressures at 42,000 ft versus at or near sea level means the the speed needed to accomplish this task WILL NOT be the same at different altitudes. 761.2 mph<---(aerospaceweb....org) is needed at sea level and as mentioned before only 670 mph at 42,000 ft.
jaymzedge1 10 months ago
@1100HondaCB F-15 is like US's answer to bruttally manufactured stuff from the other side of the table. it is tough, did land on one wing and never been shot down. yes phasing out the 15,like the 14, thats why the raptor was being thought of way before the 15 a got any older, in the next 6 years someone will be offering a design to relieve the 22.
about the 16, well its an LM product, what else could be your reason eh lol, like theyre meant to last they meant to be user friendly!
nakazatoGTR 10 months ago
anyone else think this will be a disaster as a fighter?
jak9200 1 year ago
@jak9200 you are probably right since this is a test plane from the 80's for NASA.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@jak9200
I'd buy one as a passenger jet though lol.
xristo702 1 year ago
Fkng music...
ichbienkoetje 1 year ago
FUCK ALL THIS DAMN MUSIC SHT!
gridsinister 1 year ago
Firstly, I should remind to our friends, which say that many airplanes produced by Russia are replicas, that the first attempt to create such an aircraft was made by the Germans with Junkers Ju-287 in WWII. This aicraft is not only a design but was created and flew! Moreover, there are many photos of X-29 with both the flags of US and Germany on it. So it should be fair enough to say that the idea (at least) was not American!! As happens many many times...
geladi3x2 1 year ago
X29 - nice toy, Su-47 - combat exterminator (fighter).
Forwardswept wing - dont new. Experiments with him were long, on both sides of the ocean. In 1945 in the USSR tested LL-3 planer with forwardswept wing.
NDA2910 1 year ago
@Cannabis47
What's so tough for YOU to understand what a "replica" is?
And no, I reaaly don't get your point about what difference it makes if the Buran could be carried by non-existent rocket. Perhaps you should lay off the pot.
KarriKoivusalo 1 year ago
did the front kanards (I think thats how you spell it) move? their not in this video but I heard that they could
MarkDAretard 1 year ago
"The Russians copy everything"? Umm... in a word, no. The X-29 was not turned into a fighter for a reason; it wasn't toughly enough built to survive. The S-47 Berkut is a real world fighter aircraft. The MiG-25/27/29 aren't copies of any American fighter, and neither is the MiG-31. The Su-27/30, etc series also are not copies of anything American.
TheRealScotius 1 year ago
@TheRealScotius S 37 just flying nude planer and aerodynamic laboratory nothing more.
Demokrator86 1 year ago
@Demokrator86 That may be true, but so what? The Sukhoi T-50 is more than a flying laboratory; it's a full fledged, now-in-production fighter that is superior in every way to the Eurofighter, and unlike the F-22 Raptor is AFFORDABLE. The F-35/B is no competition for it either, since it's a half-weight fighter that was only designed as an adjunct to the Raptor, like the F-16 was to the F-15 Eagle.
TheRealScotius 1 year ago
@TheRealScotius Oh jesus... Now in production? You'v got to be kidding me! Mass production is scheduled for 2020! Look man i'm russian and i know this stuff better then you.
Demokrator86 1 year ago
@Demokrator86 A news report said that they're planning to sell it abroad in 2015. That wouldn't work if they were not planning to produce it until 2020. In any case, the original argument was about the X-29 and whether or not the Russians "copy everything". They certainly don't. The fact is that their aircraft of whatever generation are better than their US equivalents, and also better than their Western European equivalents. The Typhoon would not be much of a match for the Su-27 and following.
TheRealScotius 1 year ago
this is german world war two tech. all modern jet tech come from germany as domay other info such as smoking gives you cancer but nazi germany is a shame to the german peole that is why it is such a huge burden to them to talk about world war two.
fatstiggy 1 year ago
It is correct that this plane was inherrently unstable for all the reasons you stated such as agility etc however a forward swept wing is not inherrently unstable. If you ensure the centre of gravity is in front of the centre of lift then it will be as stable as a rear swept wing of similar design. The biggest problem with forward swept wings is aeroelastic divergence which means the wing has to be made very stiff which means more weight.
jtully79 1 year ago
lf> the point
Penguinz13989 2 years ago
the only problem with forward swept wings its that if you go over around mach 0.81 there will be shock waves all along the planes wing. Hence, you would have to make the wings out of a stronger material, which would make it heavier. But if you had a powerful enough engine you could probably.
tell me if I'm right or wrong, Thanks!
Burn8tor 2 years ago
you are right but Russia made the Su-47 and it dose mach 1.5
vostok1119 2 years ago
@vostok1119 some of the plane's wings will and won't be in the supersonic cone of air around the plane which will lead to your plane being inoperable or damaged.
Burn8tor 2 years ago
Sorry Burn8tor but that is not quite right. At transonic speeds a forward swept wing will behave the same as a rear swept wing however at low speeds it has a huge advantage due to spanwise flow being inward instead of outward. At supersonic speeds you have the problem of trying to ensure the wings are inside the mach cone (the shock wave that comes off the nose mach 1.3=45°, mach 2=60°) which is difficult due to the forward sweep. Due to this I suspect the X-29 would achieved mach 1.5 at most.
jtully79 1 year ago
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Burn8tor 1 year ago
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@jtully79 i was talking about the su-47, not the x-29. i would have suspected the x-29 to go over mach 1 but i don't think the su-47 will. i mean if you think about it why didn't they make all modern day planes have forward swept wings.
Burn8tor 1 year ago
Su-47 looks very close to this jet only it has 2 engines instead of one. Yes Russians copied Americans jet again, the forward slept wings are nothing new but add the forward canards and you have a copied jet.
af2w131f 2 years ago
i have seen these over my neighborhood 7 times
beckhamfan1359 2 years ago
You lucky bastard -_-
gerodinis 2 years ago
yah LOL! :D
davidjjdj 2 years ago
many countries try to make for long time
Ju 287
just one of them
vaninec 2 years ago
Forward Swept Wings!!! YEAHH!
steinadler47 2 years ago
maybe Su-47 Berkut copied X-29!!
Su-47 Berkut's first flight was last September 1997 while X-29's first flight was last 1984!!
REBELsCLan 2 years ago 2
x-29 non functional copy of german ww2 plane
vaninec 2 years ago
What German WW2 plane? I see these type of comments a lot, and they're all so very stupid.
blackrob2002 2 years ago 2
no, su-47 didn´t copied x-29 , there are lots of planes forward swept wings much olders than the x-29
619cactusjack 2 years ago
lots?
Junkers Ju 287 bomber
X-1
X-29
Su-47
These are only military aircraft using forward swept wings.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
the x-1 didnt have forward swept wings
vostok1119 2 years ago
Yes technically you're correct, but NACA (NASA) experimented with the advantages of forward swept wings, by mounting them on an X-1 and flying it in a wind tunnel.
It was only 1 plane that had it I believe. And there were quite a few variants of the X-1.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
lol x-29 was first in 100% good construction use that kind of wings...but its not so very well choose
knollik 2 years ago
If you such clever I wish you to afflict because you Americans here again not the first have appeared.
HAHAHAHAHA......
Read about "Ju 287" idiots!
VapWAYLD 2 years ago
nice jet!
bobinhobr 2 years ago
usa copied russian su 47!!!!!
slesad 2 years ago
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X-29a first flew in 1984, SU-47 first flew in 1997. And everyone knows the Ruskies copy everything, and I mean everything. Case in point the Buran, poor Russian copy of the Space Shuttle and even the venerable AK-47 is a copy of a Nazi German StG44 assault rifle.
Twix2247 2 years ago 9
First, project СУ-47 has begun in 1983, but has ended because of bad financing in 1988, then гогда this project have given to fleet, here then this project has begun to arise again.
VapWAYLD 2 years ago
Secondly, if you Twix2247 though неможко know history of creation АК-47 and StG44 you of such stupid conclusions would not do that, потомучто it is absolutely different automatic machines, to you it will tell any expert, read history!
VapWAYLD 2 years ago
Though he denied that his design was based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle. Kalashnikov himself observed: "A lot of [soldiers] ask me how one can become a constructor, and how new weaponry is designed. Before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field. I myself have had many experiences confirming this to be so."
Twix2247 2 years ago
su-47 is also silmilary to one of projest ATF in years 80... they choose f-22 but one project looks like now su-47...russian copy everything LOL
knollik 2 years ago
Italians copy everything
zimmermann10 2 years ago
strange i write true and have minus LOL better check US project of ATF in years 80 before they choose f-22 project or f-23
knollik 2 years ago
@Twix2247 There's one small difference. The AK47 worked pretty well(And outperforms most US assault rifles). The X29 was beaten out by a contractual nasty made by the development staff of the X22, now the F22. Also, the X29 was a bit of a budget nasty, and produced unsatisfactory results in material safety, and in fly-by-wire control, all things that can be easily rectified today. But alas, money's already been put into something else.
Also, the Buran got squished in a warehouse accident.
vharshyde 1 year ago
you think that russian copied x29 only because you see planes with similar wings?you're idiot.also you don't know that Buran only looks like Shuttle because they are both reaching speeds nearly 30000 km/h and they can't have different avionics.Energy(rocket which carries Buran)can carry not only Buran.while Space shuttle is indivisible complex.
Cannabis47 1 year ago
@Cannabis47
It's myth the aerodynamics dictated the Buran to look exactly like the Shuttle. It was a copy, and the soviet engineer who were responsible lamented over it time and over again. Even the Buran crew entrance hatch is exactly in the same position and same shape as the Shuttle. Hardly explainable by aerodynamic reasons. The politbyro rejected every design proposal, until they got a direct copy of the US Space Shuttle. However, Berkut is not and never was a copy of the X-29.
KarriKoivusalo 1 year ago
@KarriKoivusalo can you imagine another aerodynamics?maybe Buran was copied, but it had some construction qualities which made Buran different from Shuttle.if rocket Proton could carry Buran weight, Buran could be placed on Proton.First and last flight of Buran was fully automatic from start table to landing strip, ...
Cannabis47 1 year ago
@Cannabis47
Buran wasn't carried by Proton, but by Energia. Also, I can imagine several different aerodynamic approaches; X-20, X-30, X-33, X-37, X-38, the French Hermes, the British Hotol and the Russian Spiral / MiG-105 and Kliper projects. Those have the aerodynamic similarities, but none look like the shuttle. Politburo wanted a replica, they got a replica.
KarriKoivusalo 1 year ago
@KarriKoivusalo I know that Buran vwas carried by Energia.I gave you an example that that shuttle can fly like one monolith thing and Buran can fly on another rocket, not only on Energia.But another rocket is not exist so it fly with Energia.understand!?I want to say that they only look like similar, but different inside.
Cannabis47 1 year ago
@Cannabis47
Buran can only use Energia, nothing else. Proton's payload to LEO is 20 tons, Buran weighs 40 tons empty. At best it'll do a low suborbital hop. And isn't "same on the outside" exactly what a replica is? Politburo wanted a look-alike, and they got it. Why the AN-225 doesn't look a bit like the Boeing 747 SCA, even though they have the exact same mission?
Not saying Buran was inferior, BTW. It had some impressive features.
KarriKoivusalo 1 year ago
@KarriKoivusalo ты заебал ты чё дебил!?
are you idiot!?IF another rocket like Energia ,which can carry Buran's weight, is exist - Buran could be carried by this rocket, but I know that this rocket not exist, Energia has no analogues.now you understand me?
Cannabis47 1 year ago
@Twix2247 Yeah, like that MIR space station...or wait, was it the other way around?
lucianoag999 1 year ago
@Twix2247 and now their new fighter aircraft is also a copy of our F-22...its so obvious
FightingAircraftVids 1 year ago
@Twix2247
1. Germans were first to test forward-swept wing.
2. AK-47 is similar to STG-44 only when it comes to looks.
MokomaSusi 1 year ago
@MokomaSusi
Actually Hugo Schmeisser was consulting Kalashnikov.
But it differs indeed: rotating bolt like on m1 garand, not a wedge lock.
And the trigger is different.
As for similarities: they both are gas operating, with similar round shape, so they will look alike.
Just because all helicopters look alike.
SEThatered 1 year ago
@Twix2247
Than harley is a copy of a bicycle, and you are a copy of a monkey.
Have you ever heard of word improvement.
Over time people tend to do things better.
Sikorski wanted a better plane- made a helicopter,
so it is a fckin copy of a plane.
And harley is a copy of a bicycle,
and you are a copy of a monkey sir.
SEThatered 1 year ago
@Twix2247 You are moron...if Su-47 is a copy of X-29 than all other planes with swept wings are copy of each other........ Search in google: Junkers Ju 287 (for those who knows something about aviation)
2)AK-47 is NOT a copy of a StG44. Two different guns, do not eat shit.
3)Buran? YES. But it made only one flight. Buran was answer like "we can make it too" but will fly our Soyuz, because it's better
3)Check Beriev A-60 from 70s and compare for example with our New Airborne Laser))))
kibabiba 1 year ago 3
@Twix2247
1. Buran is automatic space vehicle with much biger payload and automatic flying system. It was caried in space by rocket and fly down to earth by remotecontrol from space center in Russia. It was not intendet to put man in space, but to put nuclear warheads into space. It is faaar by moore advanced vehicle than US space shuttle.
2. Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute from Moscow allready experimented with forward-swept wings Tsibin LL plane in late 40`s. This is very old tech.
DiscoverRussia 1 year ago
@DiscoverRussia so you have been on the U.S. Space Shuttle lol?
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@Twix2247
3. If you ever had AK-47 in your own hand...you would know that AK-47 has completely different mechanisms and mechanical parts inside than StG-44 rifle.
5. F-35 is the jet that is complete copy of Russian Yak-141 VSTOL aircraft. US scientists even payed Yakovlev factory and designer himself millions of US$ to revel the plans and blueprints of Yak-141 to them.
DiscoverRussia 1 year ago 9
@DiscoverRussia dude you are so full of shit its laughable. The inventor of the AK-47 worked with the inventor of the STG-44 after world war II yet the Soviets only gave credit Kalashnikov. You little Russian people have been reverse engineering designs for over a 100 years. You don't invent anything. So you're little fairytale is even more comical.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@DiscoverRussia F 35 is completely different aircraft from yak 144. It is not copy, it has only it's vtol type engine. Airframe has completely different airframe - you just needed some research.
And Ak-47 and StG-44 has only little difference in handling and feeling: this was told by one my friend former USSR Desant trooper. After fall of Union he serves as sergant in volunteer forces. He handled Ak-4 and various weapons. Thought he liked both Ak-47 and old Stg-44 and in some deegree Ak4.
chronius9 1 year ago
@DiscoverRussia Germany was the first to develop an experimental prototype forward swept wing aircraft during world war 2. I think it was flown sucessfully about 1943, not sure what company built it but will find out. Like most modern fighter concepts today germany lead the world 60 years ago eg they had a working helicopter as well.
staceyfanny 1 year ago
@DiscoverRussia I've never heard that. Got a source?
And the AK was a copy of the German rifle with some modifications. It's what the Nazis were arming their elite units with near the end of the war. The Russians "improved" on it with looser chambering requireing a reworking of the inner mechanics so the rifle could be fired in all weather.
Capt777harris 11 months ago
@DiscoverRussia complete copy?
>141 never had cross linked lift fan and internal weapon bays
>141 is not stealthy
>141 has no computer fly by wire
nakazatoGTR 10 months ago
@nakazatoGTR They only used the YAK-141 lift system lol not even close to the whole plane and that's only 1 version of the F-35. That guys a tool.
OlderG0ds 10 months ago
@OlderG0ds to be precise rectangular thrust vectoring concept from Yak 41m freestyle is used on f22(!) Also produced by lockheed martin)
PsychicPinguin 9 months ago
@DiscoverRussia damn really thats kewl
thatoneguy12ize 9 months ago
@DiscoverRussia complete copy?
thatoneguy12ize 9 months ago
@DiscoverRussia false, the F-35 was in part copy'd from the British Harrier which is approximately 27 years older then the Soviet Yak-141 which DID copy the British harrier as well.
prjerry7 7 months ago
@DiscoverRussia yeah and you complain f-35 is a copy of of yak 141,but you never say pak fa is a copy of the f-22,that meansyou are a fag hatin
1123359 7 months ago
@DiscoverRussia russian stealth technology is outed it took you 3 decades to make your first stealth aircraft,whats the point?by 2020,6th generation u.s. planes aree going to be made,while you still have pak fa
1123359 7 months ago
@DiscoverRussia The Harrier is about 20 years older than the Yak-141
ramb0nat0r 6 months ago
@ramb0nat0r First flight of Harrier: YAV-8B: 9 November 1978, AV-8B: 5 November 1981 First flight of Yakovlev: YAK-38: 9 May 1975.......YAK41.......YAK41M......YAK141: 9 March 1987
...Where is yours 20 years you talking abouth?
russerbgreek 6 months ago
@russerbgreek wikipedia: First flight 28 December 1967 (Harrier)
ramb0nat0r 6 months ago
@ramb0nat0r ...pleaese......forget WIKI-shit
russerbgreek 6 months ago
@russerbgreek strange... the data of the YAK21 are correct on wikipedia...
ramb0nat0r 6 months ago
@DiscoverRussia Show me your evidence liar! your full of bullshit!! We have the Harrier!!! why would we copy your shitty Russian plane? And how can the F-35 be a copy of the Yak-141 if the Yak-141 has no stealth? dude your comment is just plane uneducated! Ohhh and by the way, have you ever heard of the Su-47? This is where the Russians got it:) the USA :D
DailyStaley 5 months ago
@DailyStaley "plane uneducated" I thought it was a good pun ;P
DailyStaley 5 months ago
@DailyStaley
Have you ever heard of Ju 287? Because that was first plane to use forward-swept wing.
MokomaSusi 5 months ago
@DailyStaley Actually the F-35 VTOL owes more to the Yak than the harrier. The main engine thrust vectoring and fixed angle lifting thrust behind the cockpit are obviously Yak inspired, though the technical implementation is totally different. As for SU-47 being an X-29 clone, the same applies, though to a lesser degree. SU-47 is a much heavier design all round, and is twin engined. But both are proof of similar concepts though, so will have some similarities. Form follows function.
LoveMeLoveMyDog80 4 months ago
@Twix2247 not only russians dude, americans also copied the MIG 25, and they came up with the famous F 15 Eagle, they also copied the german, Horten Ho 229 design and came up with the B2 spirit, also they copied the F 86 Sabre from the MIG 15 Fagot. thats how it used to be, the russians always come up with something new, and the americans steal it, and vise versa. it is just tactics, both of them are copiers, and when all are copiers, no one is !!!
oka171 1 year ago 4
@oka171 @oka171 Northrop did not copy the Germans do you research first the B2 first flight was over 40 yrs after the Horten Ho 229 Northrop used the all-wing sailplanes prewar design from the Horten brothers and perfected which is nit the same as copy ,watch this plane is older than the Horten Ho 229,Northrop N-1M is from 1941 and here is a video /watch?v=GiMxEN7a6kY
MagiCaiNferNal 1 year ago
@oka171 LOL, the F-15 is not a copy of the cheap ass MIG. The Russians have copied the first machine guns, technology from WWI tanks, tech for the T-34, copied prop fighters, prop bombers, atomic bombs/nuclear power, copied jet fighters, engines of all types, copied trucks, copied guns, copied cargo aircraft, copied the space shuttle, copied missiles, chemical and biological weapons, weapon calibers like the 5.556 etc. The Russians make very little don't kid yourself.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@Warpath2198 lol I was going to reply to him but you already beat me to the punch!
seon126 1 year ago
@oka171 The engine in the Mig 15 was reverse engineered from a Rolls Royce jet engine because the Russians couldn't get the German designed engine to work. The Russians didn't even pay the licensing fees. The XP-86 prototype, which would become the F-86 Sabre, first flew on 1 October 1947and the F-86 entered service in 1949 The first Mig 15 flew in Dec 1947 and the first production example flew on 31 December 1948. It entered Soviet Air Force service in 1949. How did the US copy the Mig 15?
coldfarted 11 months ago
@oka171 Hugo Junkers patented the wing concept in 1910. Jack Northrop was involved in innovative all-wing designs in the late-1920s with his first designs flying in 1928-1930 The "Flying Wing" (X-216H), was test flown in 1929. Northrop was also aware of Walter and Reimar Horten's pre-war record-setting "tailless" glider designs in Germany. The Jack Northrop designed N-1M first flew July 3 1941. . The first flight of the Ho 229 was March 1 1944. He copied the 229?
coldfarted 11 months ago
@oka171
The MiG-25 copying was a funny story, actually. We had pictures and we had intel, but for some reason or another they didn't match up. The Americans saw the photos of the MiG-25 but thought it was an air superiority fighter. Thus we created the F-15 to counter what was actually a Mach 3 intercepter designed to counter our Mach 3 bomber that we never got around to using. Although we copied the airframe's key characteristics, it ended up being the best fighter in 20 years.
SingularlyDatarific 1 month ago
@Twix2247the russians copied the space shuttle ,but they just redesigned some minor things in the buran. its equipped with automated computer system when it lands..only a bit improved.
KIBProductionz 1 year ago
@Twix2247 X-29 egzist only in museum...WHY? ...becouse it`s to expensive, bed fighter, small radius of movement and slow..and everything in USA is product of emigrants. BURAN stoped becouse USSSR is down.., but buran can fly like plain and like that can enter in orbit......much better then shit-shuttle. AK47 is made to work in dirt and mud and water...STG44 can`t...and AK47 looks better
russerbgreek 6 months ago
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actually the russians copied the americans the x 29 was out decades before the su47
Russia likes to copy american tech ...ALOT
monimstarfox 2 years ago 5
@monimstarfox x-29 was stealth?
wesleysidney 1 year ago
@wesleysidney
su-47 wasnt stealth
monimstarfox 1 year ago
Haha once again the Russians copied the US. This thing flew years before the SU47.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
I wish this went into production and became an dogfighter.
adsvid290 2 years ago
F-22 Raptor is the most technologically advanced fighter in the world. The F-22's stealth is so advanced that the Su-47 would be shot down way before they even saw a blip on radar, let alone visual contact. F-22:1 Su-47:0
johnnytofu 2 years ago 2
i know that
daftarmasuk 2 years ago
burkut or berkut
some kind of eagle in russia(siberia) i think
SAMPMoviesTFS 2 years ago
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barket mean golden egle the su 47 its the best aircraft in the world(not the f22 raptor) su 47 golden egale are the best aircraft and what u say abou teh x29 and su 47..........................................................HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LOL THAT WAS SO FUNNY (go watch my vidow name:10 bets aircraft in the world go wathc now!
MsGary666 2 years ago
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f18andmigrocks 2 years ago
shut up
sw9carbon 2 years ago
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X-29 VS SU-47
X-29 "Nooo!!! I'm dying!!!"
SU-47 "Headshot!!!!"
Yeah I simplified it for you gamers =). Overall the SU-47 is by far a more capable fighter aircraft hands down. Even the looks you can tell the durability of each.
What is a "Berkut?"
NewbeFeaster 2 years ago
X-29 just test SUBJECT lol
daftarmasuk 2 years ago
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f18andmigrocks 2 years ago
y don't u say that SU-47 is a copy of X-29?
coz SU-47 is a new Air Craft
and NASA made the X-29 long time ago
i want u to watch NASA's Aeronautics Well Dude LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Einsteinium92 2 years ago 2
it was a design of of Germany in ww2 to make faster jets and it never finished so its more German than American
masterrace666 2 years ago
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Its a copy of Russian SU-47 (look in search) LOOOOOL xD)))
dsdims 2 years ago
???
LongbowAH64 2 years ago
this plane was built before su 47
demonsvoice22689 2 years ago
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f18andmigrocks 2 years ago
i love X-29
because that why my name is flybyhacker
why my name got hacker??
because the X-29 got sophisticated computer {(that the mean hacker)} to control it maneuver and flight
next X plane with computer is X 31that i know
Flybyhacker 2 years ago