Look at Iniesta's reaction at 5:26 - This is a true sportsman who also celebrates after a missed chance by himself. Ronaldo would have cried and later celebrated himself after scoring another penalty.
Messi is without a doubt the greatest player I've ever seen. It's ridiculous how consistently world class he performs week in week out. He probably is the best player ever. I'd love to see him against Spain. It would be like Messi against Barcelona.
@ASBsweet already happened in September of 2010 in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Though a "friendly," it had little to be called like that. That was the first game Spain played after they won the WC in South Africa. The result: Spain 1 - 4 Argentina. One of the few times I saw the argentineans playing seriously for the albiceleste shirt.
maybe one day he will be but not yet, only a case for greatest club player with barca. 18 in 64 and o goals in wc or copa doesnt back up your point at all, he went missing against germany wc010 and in quarters of copa,hopefully one day he will take his barca form to the next wc and score goals from half way line and be the player he is for barca as of now that is still debateable hence the debates, but agreed he does have the potential its just not respectful to previous greats to say he is now.
where are the goals where he walks around 3 or 4 people or runs from half way line, messi is ok for his country but he has alot to do before he can go down next to the greats internationally, pele,maradonna,zidane,r9 etc all done pure magical things for their countries on the biggest stage and messi hasnt yet to do this, maybe he will in the next one but as of yet he hasnt.
so he had his shots and still didnt score, so basically thats not good enough,last 2 game si watched in formations shown before games on tv he was a forward so let me guess now it must be the tc channels fault hahaha!! face facts boys he doesnt do anything for his country , he makes runs and has shots every game and still rarely scores so thats his own fault, he flopped at wc and copa, they didnt go in and they do at barca so = he isnt as good at argentina maybe its because amir rapes him before
@84warrenjames now what?haha...blame me for what?like i said you never watch argentina match because all the people who exactly watch argentina match know messi is a playmaker not a forward.........
@amirRXZ2008 watched every game at wc and copa live and it was same as highlights and the score 0 goals and they got kod at qf!! even a playmaker should score darling! try doing some research on football
@84warrenjames no..you only watch the highlight....even zidane also did not score in 2002....football is just not about scoring...its also about all aspect like ASSIST,passing and many more....you are the one who should try doing some research on football........
@84warrenjames So according to your logic, Xavi 'is not good enough' because he didn't score a goal for Spain in the world cup. Is that correct?
If you think Messi plays in the same position for Argentina as he does for Barca, state the reasons. Not once did they state in the TV 'Messi was forward. evidently, you are not able to read the formations properly. Cause if you did, you'll know Messi is a midfielder.
And BTW, I support Msanm5 so your wrong about no one supporting him.
@Ganstaz003 my logic is this xavi isnt renowned for scoring goals messi is, even when he played on the right for barca and henry left and eto centre he still bagged loads, now apparently he was a defensive midfielder against germany at wc hahahahaha!! compare shots from messi in wc to xavi and number of runs towards goal, messi didnt convert anything, i read the last formation it was stated on tv
@Ganstaz003 Im just going on what Amir said! last couple of games they played huguin with messi just behind,Ganstaz you are the only one hear who actually makes good points, but im just saying club wise what messi does is amazing untouchable really but you have to also look at the team and who he plays with an that team is focused mainly on him, now messi as a forward or when he plays attacking midfield is still not as effective and thats obvious
@84warrenjames Thanks. Just one thing though, it is unfair to claim 'Messi does not perform as well for Argentina as he does for Barca'. That's hatred.
Fine, he doesn't score. But are you telling me you only watch football for to see goals?
@Ganstaz003 ive seen every full game hes played, its fact hes not as good if he was as good im sure argentina would have got a lot further and he would have at least scored in big competitions, if you think thats at the wc and copa that was him at his best then thats fine!
@Ganstaz003 Thats cool mate ive seen every game you dont need to prove nothing to me! just saying he doesnt control games, the facts point to he isnt the same without barca, the facts and stats, im really into ecuses, you either step up or you dont.
@84warrenjames I disagree with you when you said 'he doesn't control games'. But hey, nice speaking to you anyway. I believe there's not much I can say that will change your mind.
Maybe one day you will realize that Messi was the greatest player ever. But I'll let you be for now
so now your blaming it on the coach hahahahahahhahahaah!!! theyve had like 5 why messi has been there so yoru blaming all 5 hahahaha he just cant play out of barca!! messi cock sucker
@84warrenjames so if the coach told zidane to play as defender and zidane cant make it..so you still blames zidane?sometimes it depends for the coach stupid..........
@amirRXZ2008 All the matches and i fall asleep and if there was anything good happening it would be on highlights anyway moronnn!!!! and same result o goals by messi, best player in world cant score in wc or copa under 2 different managers...patheticcccc!!!
@84warrenjames you only watch all the highlight..stupid.....best player in the world now was forced to play as playmaker and he did a good job....Just 2011: 3 Goal & 11 Assists (11 Matches, Friendlies + Copa America)➫ World Cup 2014 Qualifers: 1 Goal & 1 Assist in 1 match!------------------------------ AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@84warrenjames FootBall Is Tough These Days .. Messi Playing By HimSelf Against 11 Player From The Other Team .. Its Not Fair To Blame Him .. Blame The Rest Of The Stupid Pkayers With Him !
@msanm5 Your on your own there dude, the messi v zidane video your getting destroyed!! its too funny!! im glad he did appear in the final and score 2, 2 more then messi hey!!
@msanm5 You are the loneliest person on youtube , literally its funny!! it kills you messi has done 0 out of Barca!! if zidane was bad fro france, which is like saying pele was bad for brazil hahaha then that must mean messi is horrific!! i mean even at 34 zidane was school boying kaka and ronaldhino at wc, you have no knowledge lonelyyyyyyymsanm
only on messi videos pal messi v zidane you get owned!!! more succesful for his club yes! he cant do shit out of barca please send me soem evidence that he can from the wc or copa oh that right there is none,juve brought zidane because he was awesoem at bordeux,pele,maradonna,cruyff,zidane the 4 that always pop up, messi as it stands is known as a flop for his country the others were not, sorry sweetheart.
@amirRXZ2008 funny that i didnt see many of those in the games they got knocked out in especially germany at wc !!! where were they amir cmon mate step it up jeeezzzz!
@84warrenjames funny in germany WC...maradona told messi to play as defensive midfilder...so know you say 'many of those in the games THEY got knocked out in especially germany at wc'...finally you should ask is that was messi fault that atgentina defenders concede 4 goals?fuck.....
@84warrenjames Messi with 24 already 3 ballon d´or....3 champions leagues....5 spanish leagues....1 copa del rey...spanish and european supercop...club WC 09....WC sub 20 with argentina...Olympics with argentina....pichichi and top assister of his team...already considered the best in history by many.
o goals in wc o in copa, 18 in 64, barca last 103 games 103 goals, he plays ok for his country but its pretty clear hes not the same as he is for Barca otherwise im sure they'd have got a lot further in competitions. Its a shame as wed like to see some of those messi solo goals for his country but it doesn't seem to happen.
@84warrenjames Just 2011: 3 Goal & 11 Assists (11 Matches, Friendlies + Copa America)➫ World Cup 2014 Qualifers: 1 Goal & 1 Assist in 1 match!------------------------------ that is enough/and if you still wan to debate about this..thats mean you are the most dumbass fucking in the world...the truth is you are very very dumbass!!!!haha you lost to me...so explain this..this is the proof that messi is good for argentina and he is PLAYMAKER..........
@84warrenjames LOL...you are not messi fans...messi fans would never say something like yhis..because they watch all argetntina match..but you dont....come on..messi cant do it alone..not even zidane and ronaldo cant win alone...........
you saw many solo goals for messi in Barca but argentina you don't right? did you know? i know the reason !!
cus messi play with best players in the world beside him from 5 years ago,second reason: barca never blame messi for any match and he never get nervous from barca fans(not like ARG fans),,3rd reason: barca had the best Defenders in the world..they can bring the ball back so Easily then give it to messi,,that's it,,that's why messi play Easily and perfectly with Barca,
@SAD90901 Exactly thats a good comment its much easier to play with the best club side maybe ever, and the 2 best midfielders in the world and players like villa. If you take that away from him he cant seem to function to that level, hes ok but hes no way near the same player for his country and you set your own standards and sadly messi doesnt meet them for argentina thats just fact really, i hope the next wc he brings his club form to argentina.
@84warrenjames Would you kindly please tell me how Messi is not the same player for Argentina? I asked you before so explain how Messi does not perform well for Argentina.
@Ganstaz003 Once again! o goals in wc o in copa, 18 in 64, barca last 103 games 103 goals, he plays ok for his country but its pretty clear hes not the same as he is for Barca otherwise im sure they'd have got a lot further in competitions. Its a shame as wed like to see some of those messi solo goals for his country but it doesn't seem to happen
@Ganstaz003 wow thats a big msg! even as a midfielder job is to score and assist, hes not exactly a out and out striker for barca and lately for his country hes been playing forward, fact is did he score in wc or copa as a forward or midfileder NO,fact is he isnt as good out of barca real messi fans dont kiss ass and just know this is fact
@Ganstaz003 I didnt say he was bad but you set your own standards and he doesnt do the same things for his country as he does for barca, to me he plays same position as barca, he drifts to the right and plays as a free role only difference is he isnt surrounded but iniestas,xavis etc, most barca goals are him picking ball up from deep or on the right which is same positions as his country,if your going on your 2nd fact no he doesnt do it because 0 in wc and copa and that is awful.
@84warrenjames The saddest thing about the Argentine National Team is that the whole team doesn't share the same passion for the national team that Messi does. He wants to succeed in the national level. And the fact that they have all the players to do makes matters even worst. Higuain, Aguero, Burdisso, Banega, Tevez, DiMaria, both Milito's, Mascherano, Demichelis, Zanetti. All the team has to do is get on the same page as Messi and let him lead the team to more victories.
@Ganstaz003 hahaha,..you think i say this thing cus i hate him for no reason? no no man,,,maybe my words looks like : i'm against messi ?? it's not !!!,,i understand ,,it's NOT messi's problem if ARG's defense is so horrible,,,but that is my opinion about ARG's Team..they blame messi for no reason and they forgot 10 players beside him !!! teammates so horrible,,no possession+no pressure+no defense,,ARG so so BAD !!!
@Ganstaz003 absolutely yeah,,,teammates so weak,,they have NO idea how to strike,,how to keep the ball with them,,how to pass to each other,, because the possession Makes the team preparing the attack!!!,,and if they lose the ball,,OMG you will see many funny things,,they have no (PLAN) to bring the ball back
@SAD90901 cant keep blaming a team mate, wheres Messsis goals on his own when he does have the ball and i still see him firing shots off etc every game, for example Drogba plays for the ivory coast and hes scored like 50 in 76 games!!! facts are facts and excuses are excuses Messi cant play out of Barca
@84warrenjames drogba scores many because he is striker...he just wait for someone to make assist after that he finished it..while messi was a playmaker to make assist not a goal....stupid.....
@amirRXZ2008 Oh look its messi cock sucker again!! last time i will say this you thick fuck! even as amidfielder you should still score goals hence scheijders 5 was it in wc, zidane at 34 france tam was poor and old yet he still scored and played amazing, messi doesnt for argentina and hes played striker, forward centre mid and still same result dumbass, messi can only play at barca, zidane was awesome at bordeux hence the move to juve then madridmhim an r9 great at every team, messi only barca
@84warrenjames i am messi fans..not a sucker like you.......now sneijder?he play as a backup striker for van persi stupid thats why he manage to score goals.......i told you 100 times messi is a playmaker not a forward.....if he is not amazing..how can he manged to assist all argentina goals...thats mean he is amazing.....and how you know messi can only play at barca?are you god that know the future?how dumbass....messi also amazing in argentina stupid...please watch argentina match next time...
@amirRXZ2008 whahahhaha get off messis dick!! ok here we go how kaka scored alot for brazil or lampad for england in euoros 2004 or iniesta in final of wc for spain, see wher eim going here silly boy!! i watch all the matches your one of the few that thinks hes good for his country becuase argentinians dont think he is that great because he goes missing!! playmakers are still meant to score dick head!!! the future!!/ who s on about future you thicko!! o goals in wc and copa...ZEROOOOOOO!!
@84warrenjames now kaka lampard and iniesta?they all are the natural midfilder...messi position is forward but because argentina teammates is shit then all the coach forced him to play as playmaker..and he did well..he make all assist for argentina goals.......even zidane did not score many goals in WC 2006....you never watch the match..you only watch the highlight...how dumbass you are...........
@84warrenjames now kaka lampard and iniesta?they all are natural midfilder while messi position is forward..because his argentina teammates is shit...then the coachs forced him to play as a playmaker and he make all asisst for argentina goals....to call messi is shit because he dont score many goals show how dumbass you are.....even zidane did not score many goals in WC 2006....
I only base what i say on facts, messi is the best club player maybe ive ever seen but he isnt the same for his country, his record is poor and he isnt the same weathe rhe plays midfiled, attacker forward. he isnt even a proper striker for barca he floats around, drifts to the right so its not much different as he creates there too.
Argentina are not a bad side its not as if he plays for Austria so if your telling me that you think Messi is great for his country then thats fine but i dont.
@msanm5 His first he won bitch and messi had 2 and failed !! its so funny to see everyone hating on you in other videos!! your on your own buddie!!
messi as ballon d or winner for argentina=0
Zidane as ballon d or winner=everything!!
your obsession with age has still not answered what messi has done for his country as ballon d or winner darling!! its all you have and everyones bitching on you because you have 0 knowledge , boooommmm!!
@84warrenjames why about predicting?people also say ronaldo and zidane will win the cup when they were young and then they won a few years later......
@84warrenjames age is very important...because you´re comparing Zidane´s whole career with Messi at 24. Messi still have chances to win a WC and actually do something important in the WC, unlike Zidane.
the only fair comparison is age to age...and Messi rapes Zidane.
@msanm5 Im comparing them when they were both rated as the best as people peak at different times,i could say michael owen was better then messi at 17.
in 2 wc messi has doen nothing,infact how he played yesterday given the ball away all the time etc is how he plays for argentina, he cant carry teams.
Do something important in a wc shows what a true and utter idiot you are, I've seem all the other videos everyone is literallly laughing at you! your on your own !!
@84warrenjames owen was better than messi at 17?did owen something for england?did owen win the epl and ucl?in WC 2006 messi just 19 and just returned from injury and you expect him to carry a team..in WC 2010 against germany maradona told messi to play as defensive midfiilder...can you imagine that?i know you are fucking stupid but please think about it? so yesterday messi play bad...maybe he tired or whatever...even zidane also shit in 2002......no one can carry a team..
@amirRXZ2008 Were not comparing club form are we omg you are literally the most stupid person on youtube! no real wonder people dont tend to agree with you! owen was the best he ever was at 18 and was amazing in wc98,messi defensive midfielder whahahahahhahaahahahha you are just a ttal idiot, w wc ive seen him do nothing copa was he defesnive again there?? hahahah he still scored 0, everyone knows messi does 0 for his country ask argentines little boy
@84warrenjames so you became stupid again..haha so dumbass you are.....messi also amazing at WC 2010..but i know you never watch argentina match thats why you are idiot because messi was a defensive midfilder because the coach forced him...everyone know messi is a playmaker for argentina exceptt you because you are dumbass....
@84warrenjames this year is 2011..not a 2014...so how do you want messi to do WC since there is no world cup this year.........so idiot you are............not even idiot....dumbass and stupid....
@amirRXZ2008 18 in 64 cant play without barca, zidane,r9 were awesoem in every team they played for, messi 2 wc and useless, copa useless again, cant play without barca.
@84warrenjames Just 2011: 3 Goal & 11 Assists (11 Matches, Friendlies + Copa America)➫ World Cup 2014 Qualifers: 1 Goal & 1 Assist in 1 match!------------------------------ that is enough/and if you still wan to debate about this..thats mean you are the most dumbass fucking in the world...the truth is you are very very dumbass!!!!haha you lost to me...
@84warrenjames Zidane and R9 also played for great teams.
How do you know Messi CAN'T play without 'Barcelona'? On what basis do you say that?
The only player who could be considered the greatest despite playing for an average team is Maradona. Nobody else deserves that title.
Your R9 And Zidane were not any different from Messi. they might have played for more teams, but all the teams they played for were champions league winning teams.
@84warrenjames Let me see, my assumption is your argument that Messi can't play without Barcelona is the common fallacy used by many Messi haters which is 'begging the question'.
So it goes like this:
1) Barcelona are the best
2) Messi plays for Barcelona and performs his his best in the best team.
3) Messi plays for Argentina and can't perform his best like he does for Barca.
@Ganstaz003 Im a Messi fan but he doesnt carry his club form to his country, all the excuses in the world people can use but its just fact, its widely thought around the world.Messi is the most effective club player ive seen but i dont think he can carry a team like a zidane, even at 34 he took france to the final they were struggling to qualify and he come out of retirement, that was an aged average france team given no chance of winning it, messi scoring 0 goals in wc and copa is just not gd.
@84warrenjames You have to please tell me how step 3 is actually true. Since it isn't it. Messi doesn't perform bad for Argentina. If you incline he does, justify how.
@amirRXZ2008 It's not just this guy. Most, if not all Messi haters use the same fallacious argument against Messi. Such as 'Messi is nothing without Barca, or 'Messi is nothing with Xavi and Iniesta', or 'Messi can't play outside Barca'.
People who use this argument require logic courses.
@84warrenjames so yep he is the same player for argentina but his teammates is shit i tell you for the last time..messi is a PLAYMAKER for argentina and his job is to make assist...fuck you the most arrogant people in the world.........
@84warrenjames ''in 2 wc messi has doen nothing,infact how he played yesterday given the ball away all the time etc is how he plays for argentina, he cant carry teams.''
In 2006, Messi wasn't even a starter. He had only 3 appearances to say the least. You can't blame him for that.
@84warrenjames Materazzi won a WC being the top scorer of Italy...is Materazzi better than Messi?
Zidane won his WC because he had a great team and support. See how other players saved France many times before the final. Zidane didn´t do much. overrated.
Messi is only 24...he can win a WC. but he´s already more succesful, fact. keep trying noob.
@msanm5 mate worst thing is it seems everyone thinks your a total dick!! 18 in 64, messi wins his trophies like you said at barca because he has great team and support thats why for his country hes shit!
@msanm5 He was kind of the angel on top of the tree wasnt he really, like the champions league final goal, he was to every team was messi is to barca but messi isnt that for argentina.
@msanm5 Seems only to you pal!! 3 times world player of year just like r9 when there was loads of great players around, ill side wth fifa,r9, beckham etc over you ! haha
@amirRXZ2008 Who said hed won what dumbo!!? he and r9 said zidane is best player theyve played iwth or against a nd as for msanm anyone that says zidane done nothing for france is cleary the biggest moron on earth!
@84warrenjames yea when zidane and ronaldo won wc and copa alone without help from their teammates......haha...messi is playmaker for argentina........well as far i know zidane are not the best in WC 2002 and ronaldo9 are not the best in WC 2006.....
Oh here we go again look silly boy, we all know hes not crap for Argentina we are cpmparing him against the player he is for barca where he still makes all those passes but manages to score and do thing in big games and he doenst for his country,check his record 18 in 64, this is why people say he can only play in barca whci at the moment is pretty true, i hope one day he is the same player for his country then we can start saying he is the best ever
@84warrenjames Oh here we go again look silly boy fuck..you are the most dumbass people in the world...he is the same barca player for argentina...but his teammates is shit...i think you only read a few sentnce of my comments because you konw i was right and you were wrong........i tell you for the last time...messi did not scorea lot of goals because he is a playmaker and his job is to make assist..........fuck you arrogant dumbass boy.............
@84warrenjames Oh here we go again look silly boy fuck...mess still the same barca player for argentina...and you are the most dumbass people in the wolrd......i think you only read a few sentnce from my comments...because you know i was right and you were wrong.....i tell you for the last time..messi is a PLAYMAKER for argentina and his job is to make assist...fuck you the most arrogant people in the world.........
@84warrenjames so yep he is the same player for argentina but his teammates is shit i tell you for the last time..messi is a PLAYMAKER for argentina and his job is to make assist...fuck you the most arrogant people in the world.........
@84warrenjames honestly a sucks player would not be able to score 53 goals a season and make all assist for argentina goals...fuck you...you clearly never watch argentina match..............
yeah coz zidane had one of the best midfields in 98 and also in 2006.messi is suposed to dictate play assist and score loads of golas at the same time its impossible.and hes doing a very ood job.look at he video lionel messi passes for argentina and ul see how brilliant hes been given he has no support.all argentina need is support put in pastore and ul see
i mean lets be honest when r9 and zidane were meant to be best in the world they actually turned up to tournaments for their countries right hahaha messi ballon dor winner for wc and then again before copa and done 0!!!hahaha 18 in 64 for country so so bad
He certainly did and Messi, messi hasn't scored in a big competition for like 5 years.
Msg me when messi can play without Barca, its funny all argentines dont put messi in mazza level because he isnt the same player out of barca. If he can actually take his barac form to argentina he may win a wc like zidane or at least take them to a final like zidane or win the equivalent of the euros which zidane did, messi 2 world cups and done 0!!
@amirRXZ2008 Maradonna stupid,now listen here bumb bo y! if you tok maradonna out of argentina 86 theyd have got not far at all and had no chance of winning it, france were not even going to qualify for 06 hence zidane coming out of retirement and taking them to the final at 34 years of age! Messi plays amongst players like di maria, aguerro, huguin and still doesnt even score in the last 2 big tournaments, zidane anad marradonna did and they were midfielders, they carried teams messi doesnt.
@84warrenjames yeah coz zidane had one of the best midfields in 98 and also in 2006.messi is suposed to dictate play assist and score loads of golas at the same time its impossible.and hes doing a very ood job.look at he video lionel messi passes for argentina and ul see how brilliant hes been given he has no support.all argentina need is support put in pastore and ul see
@84warrenjames stupid..maradona and zidane did not win the world cup alone ...i know you are people who obsesed to see a player win cup alone without their teammates...stupid football is a teamwork not alone....fuck..yes maybe messi did score a lot of goals...but he is playmaker and his job is to make assist .messi only play with higuain and di maria only........please watch argentrina match next time.....
@amirRXZ2008 ok well im bored but lets just say messi hasnt done anything in the wc and copa and they have! i will say this one last time you thick thick idiot messi has scored o goals in 010 wc and copa this year very bad for the best player in the world weather hes a forward or midfielder its still sucks
@84warrenjames I remember one of Argentina's Copa America matches, it was the second maybe, Argentina did not win and everyone was saying about how Messi just can't play well with the national team.
Well, thing is, I watched that match live, and Messi was fucking excellent. He gave at least 5 passes that can only be called assistances, which were then bizarrely missed by his "World-Class" teammates.
Honestly, people who say Messi is crap for Argentina are those who only watch highlights
@84warrenjames honestly a sucks player would not be able to score 53 goals a season and make all assist for argentina goals...fuck you...you clearly never watch argentina match..............
@84warrenjames Just 2011: 3 Goal & 11 Assists (11 Matches, Friendlies + Copa America)➫ World Cup 2014 Qualifers: 1 Goal & 1 Assist in 1 match!------------------------------ that is enough/and if you still wan to debate about this..thats mean you are the most dumbass fucking in the world...the truth is you are very very dumbass!!!!haha you lost to me....
Maradona led argentina to get the world cup and he was still about 25 years old and his team was empty of any stars. there were no higuin, aguero, tevez, lavitzi, pastore, mascerano, di maria... etc
and because Maradona led the weakest team in the world to win the calcio, itali cup,european championship...etc
18 in 64 games, yes he doesn't score barca goals for argentina, prob 64 in the last 64 for barca stop making excuses, maradonna was in a very average team in 86 and was unbelivable in 06 france were an aged team where zidane had to come out of retirement to help them qualify and he took that team to the final at 34, last year where was messi at wc where were the goals he scores at barca, nowhere becuase he needs an amazing team, my point is dont compare him to the greats until hes had the impact
@msanm5 You dumb parrot, as said use your ears dyslexic boy! were comparing players when they were rated as the best, players peak at different times, when your the best expectations go up whether your 18 or 30, dumb parrot take your time and read slowly
@msanm5 Yawnnnn, look idiot boy, lets see if messi wins wc at 26 shall we, havnt got a chance because he only plays well for Barca, 0 goals at wc and copa and wc when he won best player in world!!bored of excuse and the only fact here is 18 in 64 games and 0 in copa and 0 in wc!!!
@msanm5 who said Zidane won anything at 24 you stupid moron, when zidane won award for best in the world he dominated when messi won he totally flopped, everyone knows he can only play in Barca, i think your excuses are boring you have 0 to say,what has messi done out of barca!! nothing, hes proved hes a flop for Argentina now stop riding his cock and be realistic, facts are facts and most Argentinians wouldnt compare him to Maradonna
@msanm5 yea im also telling you that Zidane was never rated as the best then but when he was boy did he do things that your boy messi never done, how can the best player in the world do fuck all at a wc and copa its pathetic and shows hes not the sam eplayer wihout the best team ever, take him out of it and he struggles to score..boooommm!!haha now little boy i dont speak with parrots and im very bored at your lack of football knowledge xxx i hope one day Messi takes his Barca form to hiscountry
@84warrenjames Messi with 24 already 3 ballon d´or....3 champions leagues....5 spanish leagues....1 copa del rey...spanish and european supercop...club WC 09....WC sub 20 with argentina...Olympics with argentina....pichichi and top assister of his team...already considered the best in history by many.
It would be awesome if they made a dream team out of players in the liga
Assassin8086 1 day ago
Look at Iniesta's reaction at 5:26 - This is a true sportsman who also celebrates after a missed chance by himself. Ronaldo would have cried and later celebrated himself after scoring another penalty.
ohnoothepig 5 days ago
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svmn1299 2 months ago
music??
guilhermemepaulus10 2 months ago
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kickerrific 2 months ago
he played good
kissmyteez 3 months ago
he makes it all look so easy---but they're extremely difficult. that's one of the beautiful things about his style--he does things with such ease
13hehe 3 months ago
AND THIS IS JUST ONE GAME!!
soulblacknight 3 months ago
It's like he is playing with little kids
Abdullah19910 3 months ago
iniesta dribble at 5:37 AMAZING!!!!
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nisso456 3 months ago
Messi #1
sh3lan86 3 months ago
Imagine if Messi hade choose to play for Spain... they would be unbeatable.
SchumiSutil 3 months ago
@SchumiSutil spain is shit, deserves not to be world champion in 2010
RaviDido 6 days ago
@RaviDido wow stop watching football. who deserved to win the world cup then?? Germany e.g. played amazing, but they had no chance against Spain.
Haters gonna hate
ohnoothepig 5 days ago
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@RaviDido wow stop watching football. who deserved to win the world cup then?? Germany e.g. played amazing, but they had no chance against Spain.
Haters gonna hate
ohnoothepig 5 days ago
Messi is without a doubt the greatest player I've ever seen. It's ridiculous how consistently world class he performs week in week out. He probably is the best player ever. I'd love to see him against Spain. It would be like Messi against Barcelona.
ASBsweet 4 months ago
@ASBsweet already happened in September of 2010 in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Though a "friendly," it had little to be called like that. That was the first game Spain played after they won the WC in South Africa. The result: Spain 1 - 4 Argentina. One of the few times I saw the argentineans playing seriously for the albiceleste shirt.
Tontic0 3 months ago
maybe one day he will be but not yet, only a case for greatest club player with barca. 18 in 64 and o goals in wc or copa doesnt back up your point at all, he went missing against germany wc010 and in quarters of copa,hopefully one day he will take his barca form to the next wc and score goals from half way line and be the player he is for barca as of now that is still debateable hence the debates, but agreed he does have the potential its just not respectful to previous greats to say he is now.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames we just have to wait.......
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
where are the goals where he walks around 3 or 4 people or runs from half way line, messi is ok for his country but he has alot to do before he can go down next to the greats internationally, pele,maradonna,zidane,r9 etc all done pure magical things for their countries on the biggest stage and messi hasnt yet to do this, maybe he will in the next one but as of yet he hasnt.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
so he had his shots and still didnt score, so basically thats not good enough,last 2 game si watched in formations shown before games on tv he was a forward so let me guess now it must be the tc channels fault hahaha!! face facts boys he doesnt do anything for his country , he makes runs and has shots every game and still rarely scores so thats his own fault, he flopped at wc and copa, they didnt go in and they do at barca so = he isnt as good at argentina maybe its because amir rapes him before
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames now what?haha...blame me for what?like i said you never watch argentina match because all the people who exactly watch argentina match know messi is a playmaker not a forward.........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 watched every game at wc and copa live and it was same as highlights and the score 0 goals and they got kod at qf!! even a playmaker should score darling! try doing some research on football
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames no..you only watch the highlight....even zidane also did not score in 2002....football is just not about scoring...its also about all aspect like ASSIST,passing and many more....you are the one who should try doing some research on football........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames So according to your logic, Xavi 'is not good enough' because he didn't score a goal for Spain in the world cup. Is that correct?
If you think Messi plays in the same position for Argentina as he does for Barca, state the reasons. Not once did they state in the TV 'Messi was forward. evidently, you are not able to read the formations properly. Cause if you did, you'll know Messi is a midfielder.
And BTW, I support Msanm5 so your wrong about no one supporting him.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 my logic is this xavi isnt renowned for scoring goals messi is, even when he played on the right for barca and henry left and eto centre he still bagged loads, now apparently he was a defensive midfielder against germany at wc hahahahaha!! compare shots from messi in wc to xavi and number of runs towards goal, messi didnt convert anything, i read the last formation it was stated on tv
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames I didn't say Messi was a defensive midfielder.
Let me state the reasons why he is a attacking midfielder for Argentina:
1) Argentina have 2 strikers. Higuan & Tevez or Aguero & Milito.
2) Argentina have 3 defensive midfielders. Mascherano & Cambiasso & Gago.
3) They have no attacking midfielder and a team must have an attacking midfielder to feed the strikers.
4) Therefore, it has to be Messi. As no other player in the squad can play in the attacking midfield position.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 Im just going on what Amir said! last couple of games they played huguin with messi just behind,Ganstaz you are the only one hear who actually makes good points, but im just saying club wise what messi does is amazing untouchable really but you have to also look at the team and who he plays with an that team is focused mainly on him, now messi as a forward or when he plays attacking midfield is still not as effective and thats obvious
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Thanks. Just one thing though, it is unfair to claim 'Messi does not perform as well for Argentina as he does for Barca'. That's hatred.
Fine, he doesn't score. But are you telling me you only watch football for to see goals?
Watch this:
watch?v=_ovN3lplAF0
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 ive seen every full game hes played, its fact hes not as good if he was as good im sure argentina would have got a lot further and he would have at least scored in big competitions, if you think thats at the wc and copa that was him at his best then thats fine!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Your making an error in your thinking.
Argentina did not go further because they have a bad defense. They conceded many goals due to that. This alone has no bearing at all on Messi.
So let me ask again, is it Messi's fault Argentina conceded that many goals in the world cup and copa America?
Watch this:
watch?v=Ji12JwOzqiI
watch?v=gNx4d13Z0QI
This was his job. He did those many times. If after seeing this, you still think Messi was ineffective, then I don't know what to say.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 Thats cool mate ive seen every game you dont need to prove nothing to me! just saying he doesnt control games, the facts point to he isnt the same without barca, the facts and stats, im really into ecuses, you either step up or you dont.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames I disagree with you when you said 'he doesn't control games'. But hey, nice speaking to you anyway. I believe there's not much I can say that will change your mind.
Maybe one day you will realize that Messi was the greatest player ever. But I'll let you be for now
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
Are you telling me he needed Xavi and Iniesta there?
Are you telling me that was awful?
Messi is much more than just 'goals'.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
so now your blaming it on the coach hahahahahahhahahaah!!! theyve had like 5 why messi has been there so yoru blaming all 5 hahahaha he just cant play out of barca!! messi cock sucker
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames so if the coach told zidane to play as defender and zidane cant make it..so you still blames zidane?sometimes it depends for the coach stupid..........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 whahahahha you total idiot!!! STOP SUCKING MESSIS COCK!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames whahahahha you are the one total idiot!!! STOP SUCKING your own COCK!!
you only talk without a fact and when you lose you became crazy like this....hahaha........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
ZERRROOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames Just 2011: 3 Goal & 11 Assists (11 Matches, Friendlies + Copa America)➫ World Cup 2014 Qualifers: 1 Goal & 1 Assist in 1 match!------------------------------ AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames YOU NEVER WATCH THE MATCH...YOU ONLY WATCH THE HIGHLIGHT.....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 All the matches and i fall asleep and if there was anything good happening it would be on highlights anyway moronnn!!!! and same result o goals by messi, best player in world cant score in wc or copa under 2 different managers...patheticcccc!!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames you only watch all the highlight..stupid.....best player in the world now was forced to play as playmaker and he did a good job....Just 2011: 3 Goal & 11 Assists (11 Matches, Friendlies + Copa America)➫ World Cup 2014 Qualifers: 1 Goal & 1 Assist in 1 match!------------------------------ AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames FootBall Is Tough These Days .. Messi Playing By HimSelf Against 11 Player From The Other Team .. Its Not Fair To Blame Him .. Blame The Rest Of The Stupid Pkayers With Him !
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amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
yea when he won wc and copa haha
84warrenjames 4 months ago
Respond to this video... yea when zidane and ronaldo won wc and copa alone without help from their teammates......haha...
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames nah...France´s team won it...Zidane only appeared in the final.
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 Your on your own there dude, the messi v zidane video your getting destroyed!! its too funny!! im glad he did appear in the final and score 2, 2 more then messi hey!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames zidane has great teammates...........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@msanm5 You are the loneliest person on youtube , literally its funny!! it kills you messi has done 0 out of Barca!! if zidane was bad fro france, which is like saying pele was bad for brazil hahaha then that must mean messi is horrific!! i mean even at 34 zidane was school boying kaka and ronaldhino at wc, you have no knowledge lonelyyyyyyymsanm
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames actually many people support me.
but now you have no arguement so you´re using another technique.
Zidane only won things with great teams. with Bordeaux he didnt win shit.
Messi is younger and more succesful, fact. keep trying.
msanm5 4 months ago
only on messi videos pal messi v zidane you get owned!!! more succesful for his club yes! he cant do shit out of barca please send me soem evidence that he can from the wc or copa oh that right there is none,juve brought zidane because he was awesoem at bordeux,pele,maradonna,cruyff,zidane the 4 that always pop up, messi as it stands is known as a flop for his country the others were not, sorry sweetheart.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames the flop for country would not be able to make all assist for argentina goals..stupid.......
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 funny that i didnt see many of those in the games they got knocked out in especially germany at wc !!! where were they amir cmon mate step it up jeeezzzz!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames funny in germany WC...maradona told messi to play as defensive midfilder...so know you say 'many of those in the games THEY got knocked out in especially germany at wc'...finally you should ask is that was messi fault that atgentina defenders concede 4 goals?fuck.....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 defensive midfileder whahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahah
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 Dude, Messi wasn't a defensive midfielder. He was an attacking midfielder but he often came back deep to defend that's all.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 not enough of them then was there as they got kod in quarter final and messi was awful against germnay!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames Messi with 24 already 3 ballon d´or....3 champions leagues....5 spanish leagues....1 copa del rey...spanish and european supercop...club WC 09....WC sub 20 with argentina...Olympics with argentina....pichichi and top assister of his team...already considered the best in history by many.
Zidane at 24....he played well
facts can´t be argued. Zidane = Paul Scholes
msanm5 4 months ago
o goals in wc o in copa, 18 in 64, barca last 103 games 103 goals, he plays ok for his country but its pretty clear hes not the same as he is for Barca otherwise im sure they'd have got a lot further in competitions. Its a shame as wed like to see some of those messi solo goals for his country but it doesn't seem to happen.
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@84warrenjames Just 2011: 3 Goal & 11 Assists (11 Matches, Friendlies + Copa America)➫ World Cup 2014 Qualifers: 1 Goal & 1 Assist in 1 match!------------------------------ that is enough/and if you still wan to debate about this..thats mean you are the most dumbass fucking in the world...the truth is you are very very dumbass!!!!haha you lost to me...so explain this..this is the proof that messi is good for argentina and he is PLAYMAKER..........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames LOL...you are not messi fans...messi fans would never say something like yhis..because they watch all argetntina match..but you dont....come on..messi cant do it alone..not even zidane and ronaldo cant win alone...........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames
you saw many solo goals for messi in Barca but argentina you don't right? did you know? i know the reason !!
cus messi play with best players in the world beside him from 5 years ago,second reason: barca never blame messi for any match and he never get nervous from barca fans(not like ARG fans),,3rd reason: barca had the best Defenders in the world..they can bring the ball back so Easily then give it to messi,,that's it,,that's why messi play Easily and perfectly with Barca,
SAD90901 4 months ago
@SAD90901 Exactly thats a good comment its much easier to play with the best club side maybe ever, and the 2 best midfielders in the world and players like villa. If you take that away from him he cant seem to function to that level, hes ok but hes no way near the same player for his country and you set your own standards and sadly messi doesnt meet them for argentina thats just fact really, i hope the next wc he brings his club form to argentina.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Would you kindly please tell me how Messi is not the same player for Argentina? I asked you before so explain how Messi does not perform well for Argentina.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
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@Ganstaz003 Once again! o goals in wc o in copa, 18 in 64, barca last 103 games 103 goals, he plays ok for his country but its pretty clear hes not the same as he is for Barca otherwise im sure they'd have got a lot further in competitions. Its a shame as wed like to see some of those messi solo goals for his country but it doesn't seem to happen
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Refutation:
1) Messi is a midfielder (ATM) and for Argentina. So his job is not mean't to assist, not score goals.
2) Messi is a forward (ss) for Barcelona so his job is scoring goals.
His control, touch, vision, passing, accuracy is no different when he plays for Argentina s it is when he is playing for Barcelona.
It's not his fault 'Argentina don't go further in competitions'. Argentina have a bad defence, they concede goals.
cont.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 wow thats a big msg! even as a midfielder job is to score and assist, hes not exactly a out and out striker for barca and lately for his country hes been playing forward, fact is did he score in wc or copa as a forward or midfileder NO,fact is he isnt as good out of barca real messi fans dont kiss ass and just know this is fact
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Messi is a forward (second striker) for Barca, not out and out striker.
Messi is not a forward at all for Argentina, he is a midfielder (attacking midfielder).
I agree that even as a midfielder he could still score but consider this:
1) Messi's main job for Argentina: Make plays/assists
2) Messi's secondary job for Argentina: Score goals
Does he do his main job? Yes.
Does he create chances to do his second job? Yes. But has he scored? No
So his not bad for Argentina.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 I didnt say he was bad but you set your own standards and he doesnt do the same things for his country as he does for barca, to me he plays same position as barca, he drifts to the right and plays as a free role only difference is he isnt surrounded but iniestas,xavis etc, most barca goals are him picking ball up from deep or on the right which is same positions as his country,if your going on your 2nd fact no he doesnt do it because 0 in wc and copa and that is awful.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames he has no goal but he has all assist....because he is a playmaker..........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames The saddest thing about the Argentine National Team is that the whole team doesn't share the same passion for the national team that Messi does. He wants to succeed in the national level. And the fact that they have all the players to do makes matters even worst. Higuain, Aguero, Burdisso, Banega, Tevez, DiMaria, both Milito's, Mascherano, Demichelis, Zanetti. All the team has to do is get on the same page as Messi and let him lead the team to more victories.
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames He doesn't do the same things for Argentina as he does for Barca because his not mean't to. He plays in a different position.
Messi in Argentina plays in almost the same position as Xavi for Barca which is a midfielder.
Messi at Argentina = Xavi at Barcelona.
Messi did not score, but he had a lot of accurate shots which were either saved or unluckily missed.
You can say it is 'awful' only if he never even had a shot. But lets be honest, he did. But they didn't go in.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Part 2:
1) Argentina have an awful defence hence they concede goals = not Messi's fault.
2) Argentina have awful strikers who miss a lot of chances = Not Messi's fault.
3) Messi's job: play maker - create chances for team mates and for himself.
Does Messi create chances for his team mates? Yes
Does he create chances for himself? Yes
He does his job. So why would you say he doesn't perform for Argentina as he does for Barca?
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@SAD90901 ''you saw many solo goals for messi in Barca but argentina you don't right? did you know? i know the reason'' !!
Your reasons are flawed. Let me go through it with you.
1) None of his solo goals were anything to do with his teammates. He is a playmaker (passer) for Argentina and not a solist like for Barca.
2) You don't make sense with your second reason.
3) If Argentina have a bad defence, is it Messi's fault that Argentina concede goals?
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 hahaha,..you think i say this thing cus i hate him for no reason? no no man,,,maybe my words looks like : i'm against messi ?? it's not !!!,,i understand ,,it's NOT messi's problem if ARG's defense is so horrible,,,but that is my opinion about ARG's Team..they blame messi for no reason and they forgot 10 players beside him !!! teammates so horrible,,no possession+no pressure+no defense,,ARG so so BAD !!!
SAD90901 4 months ago
@SAD90901 So are/were you insisting that Messi is not a bad player for Argentina but Argentina are bad as a team?
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 absolutely yeah,,,teammates so weak,,they have NO idea how to strike,,how to keep the ball with them,,how to pass to each other,, because the possession Makes the team preparing the attack!!!,,and if they lose the ball,,OMG you will see many funny things,,they have no (PLAN) to bring the ball back
,,,No Plan at all
SAD90901 4 months ago
@SAD90901 you are right....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@SAD90901 cant keep blaming a team mate, wheres Messsis goals on his own when he does have the ball and i still see him firing shots off etc every game, for example Drogba plays for the ivory coast and hes scored like 50 in 76 games!!! facts are facts and excuses are excuses Messi cant play out of Barca
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames drogba scores many because he is striker...he just wait for someone to make assist after that he finished it..while messi was a playmaker to make assist not a goal....stupid.....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 Oh look its messi cock sucker again!! last time i will say this you thick fuck! even as amidfielder you should still score goals hence scheijders 5 was it in wc, zidane at 34 france tam was poor and old yet he still scored and played amazing, messi doesnt for argentina and hes played striker, forward centre mid and still same result dumbass, messi can only play at barca, zidane was awesome at bordeux hence the move to juve then madridmhim an r9 great at every team, messi only barca
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames i am messi fans..not a sucker like you.......now sneijder?he play as a backup striker for van persi stupid thats why he manage to score goals.......i told you 100 times messi is a playmaker not a forward.....if he is not amazing..how can he manged to assist all argentina goals...thats mean he is amazing.....and how you know messi can only play at barca?are you god that know the future?how dumbass....messi also amazing in argentina stupid...please watch argentina match next time...
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 whahahhaha get off messis dick!! ok here we go how kaka scored alot for brazil or lampad for england in euoros 2004 or iniesta in final of wc for spain, see wher eim going here silly boy!! i watch all the matches your one of the few that thinks hes good for his country becuase argentinians dont think he is that great because he goes missing!! playmakers are still meant to score dick head!!! the future!!/ who s on about future you thicko!! o goals in wc and copa...ZEROOOOOOO!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames now kaka lampard and iniesta?they all are the natural midfilder...messi position is forward but because argentina teammates is shit then all the coach forced him to play as playmaker..and he did well..he make all assist for argentina goals.......even zidane did not score many goals in WC 2006....you never watch the match..you only watch the highlight...how dumbass you are...........
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amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames now kaka lampard and iniesta?they all are natural midfilder while messi position is forward..because his argentina teammates is shit...then the coachs forced him to play as a playmaker and he make all asisst for argentina goals....to call messi is shit because he dont score many goals show how dumbass you are.....even zidane did not score many goals in WC 2006....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames you are the cock sucker stupid.....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@SAD90901 Ok we're cool now. I fully agree what you've just said. No disagreements.
My point is Messi's ability has no bearings when he plays for Argentina.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
I only base what i say on facts, messi is the best club player maybe ive ever seen but he isnt the same for his country, his record is poor and he isnt the same weathe rhe plays midfiled, attacker forward. he isnt even a proper striker for barca he floats around, drifts to the right so its not much different as he creates there too.
Argentina are not a bad side its not as if he plays for Austria so if your telling me that you think Messi is great for his country then thats fine but i dont.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
Tell me when messi wins a world cup bitch hahahaha
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames he had many chances...he´s only 24.
zidane at 24 was like Paul scholes. sorry buddie.
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 His first he won bitch and messi had 2 and failed !! its so funny to see everyone hating on you in other videos!! your on your own buddie!!
messi as ballon d or winner for argentina=0
Zidane as ballon d or winner=everything!!
your obsession with age has still not answered what messi has done for his country as ballon d or winner darling!! its all you have and everyones bitching on you because you have 0 knowledge , boooommmm!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames messi just 24......he will win it....boooom..you are the one who have 0 knowledge thats everyone bitcing on you..........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 He will!? oh so your predicting now hahahha sorry i only go on fact.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames why about predicting?people also say ronaldo and zidane will win the cup when they were young and then they won a few years later......
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames age is very important...because you´re comparing Zidane´s whole career with Messi at 24. Messi still have chances to win a WC and actually do something important in the WC, unlike Zidane.
the only fair comparison is age to age...and Messi rapes Zidane.
Zidane = Paul scholes. :D
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 Im comparing them when they were both rated as the best as people peak at different times,i could say michael owen was better then messi at 17.
in 2 wc messi has doen nothing,infact how he played yesterday given the ball away all the time etc is how he plays for argentina, he cant carry teams.
Do something important in a wc shows what a true and utter idiot you are, I've seem all the other videos everyone is literallly laughing at you! your on your own !!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames owen was better than messi at 17?did owen something for england?did owen win the epl and ucl?in WC 2006 messi just 19 and just returned from injury and you expect him to carry a team..in WC 2010 against germany maradona told messi to play as defensive midfiilder...can you imagine that?i know you are fucking stupid but please think about it? so yesterday messi play bad...maybe he tired or whatever...even zidane also shit in 2002......no one can carry a team..
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 Were not comparing club form are we omg you are literally the most stupid person on youtube! no real wonder people dont tend to agree with you! owen was the best he ever was at 18 and was amazing in wc98,messi defensive midfielder whahahahahhahaahahahha you are just a ttal idiot, w wc ive seen him do nothing copa was he defesnive again there?? hahahah he still scored 0, everyone knows messi does 0 for his country ask argentines little boy
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames so you became stupid again..haha so dumbass you are.....messi also amazing at WC 2010..but i know you never watch argentina match thats why you are idiot because messi was a defensive midfilder because the coach forced him...everyone know messi is a playmaker for argentina exceptt you because you are dumbass....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
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@amirRXZ200818 messi 2 wc and useless, copa useless again, cant play without barca.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames this year is 2011..not a 2014...so how do you want messi to do WC since there is no world cup this year.........so idiot you are............not even idiot....dumbass and stupid....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 18 in 64 cant play without barca, zidane,r9 were awesoem in every team they played for, messi 2 wc and useless, copa useless again, cant play without barca.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames Just 2011: 3 Goal & 11 Assists (11 Matches, Friendlies + Copa America)➫ World Cup 2014 Qualifers: 1 Goal & 1 Assist in 1 match!------------------------------ that is enough/and if you still wan to debate about this..thats mean you are the most dumbass fucking in the world...the truth is you are very very dumbass!!!!haha you lost to me...
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames i ask you did owen won epl and ucl or wc under 20 or olmpic?haha...dumbass...
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Zidane and R9 also played for great teams.
How do you know Messi CAN'T play without 'Barcelona'? On what basis do you say that?
The only player who could be considered the greatest despite playing for an average team is Maradona. Nobody else deserves that title.
Your R9 And Zidane were not any different from Messi. they might have played for more teams, but all the teams they played for were champions league winning teams.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Let me see, my assumption is your argument that Messi can't play without Barcelona is the common fallacy used by many Messi haters which is 'begging the question'.
So it goes like this:
1) Barcelona are the best
2) Messi plays for Barcelona and performs his his best in the best team.
3) Messi plays for Argentina and can't perform his best like he does for Barca.
4) Therefore, Messi can't play without Barca.
This is the common error in your logic.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 Im a Messi fan but he doesnt carry his club form to his country, all the excuses in the world people can use but its just fact, its widely thought around the world.Messi is the most effective club player ive seen but i dont think he can carry a team like a zidane, even at 34 he took france to the final they were struggling to qualify and he come out of retirement, that was an aged average france team given no chance of winning it, messi scoring 0 goals in wc and copa is just not gd.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Care to explain 'how' Messi does not perform well for Argentina as he does for Barca.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@84warrenjames zidane have a very good teammates ...........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames You have to please tell me how step 3 is actually true. Since it isn't it. Messi doesn't perform bad for Argentina. If you incline he does, justify how.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 thanx bro,....i tired to tell all this thing to this guy...he just to dumbass and so arrogant.............
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 It's not just this guy. Most, if not all Messi haters use the same fallacious argument against Messi. Such as 'Messi is nothing without Barca, or 'Messi is nothing with Xavi and Iniesta', or 'Messi can't play outside Barca'.
People who use this argument require logic courses.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames so yep he is the same player for argentina but his teammates is shit i tell you for the last time..messi is a PLAYMAKER for argentina and his job is to make assist...fuck you the most arrogant people in the world.........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames ''in 2 wc messi has doen nothing,infact how he played yesterday given the ball away all the time etc is how he plays for argentina, he cant carry teams.''
In 2006, Messi wasn't even a starter. He had only 3 appearances to say the least. You can't blame him for that.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Materazzi won a WC being the top scorer of Italy...is Materazzi better than Messi?
Zidane won his WC because he had a great team and support. See how other players saved France many times before the final. Zidane didn´t do much. overrated.
Messi is only 24...he can win a WC. but he´s already more succesful, fact. keep trying noob.
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 mate worst thing is it seems everyone thinks your a total dick!! 18 in 64, messi wins his trophies like you said at barca because he has great team and support thats why for his country hes shit!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Zidane only won WC because of his great team and support.
Zidane only won things with huge teams. sorry.
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 He was kind of the angel on top of the tree wasnt he really, like the champions league final goal, he was to every team was messi is to barca but messi isnt that for argentina.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames nah..because on Bordeaux he didnt win shit.
he only won things on great teams...with great support. overrated
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 Seems only to you pal!! 3 times world player of year just like r9 when there was loads of great players around, ill side wth fifa,r9, beckham etc over you ! haha
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Messi is 24 and he will win his 3rd ballon dór...and he did more than Zizou to deserve it. :D
msanm5 4 months ago
@84warrenjames haha beckham?what he won ?fuck you.....haha you already lost...
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 Who said hed won what dumbo!!? he and r9 said zidane is best player theyve played iwth or against a nd as for msanm anyone that says zidane done nothing for france is cleary the biggest moron on earth!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames yea when zidane and ronaldo won wc and copa alone without help from their teammates......haha...messi is playmaker for argentina........well as far i know zidane are not the best in WC 2002 and ronaldo9 are not the best in WC 2006.....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Refutation:
1) Messi is a midfielder (ATM) for Argentina. So his job is to make assist, not score goals.
2) Messi is a forward (ss) for Barcelona so his job is to score goals.
His control, touch, vision, passing, accuracy is no different when he plays for Argentina as it is when he is playing for Barcelona.
cont.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
Oh here we go again look silly boy, we all know hes not crap for Argentina we are cpmparing him against the player he is for barca where he still makes all those passes but manages to score and do thing in big games and he doenst for his country,check his record 18 in 64, this is why people say he can only play in barca whci at the moment is pretty true, i hope one day he is the same player for his country then we can start saying he is the best ever
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Oh here we go again look silly boy fuck..you are the most dumbass people in the world...he is the same barca player for argentina...but his teammates is shit...i think you only read a few sentnce of my comments because you konw i was right and you were wrong........i tell you for the last time...messi did not scorea lot of goals because he is a playmaker and his job is to make assist..........fuck you arrogant dumbass boy.............
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Oh here we go again look silly boy fuck...mess still the same barca player for argentina...and you are the most dumbass people in the wolrd......i think you only read a few sentnce from my comments...because you know i was right and you were wrong.....i tell you for the last time..messi is a PLAYMAKER for argentina and his job is to make assist...fuck you the most arrogant people in the world.........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 So yep he needs barca, cool mate even as a playmaker 0 goals is shit!! peace out!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames so yep he is the same player for argentina but his teammates is shit i tell you for the last time..messi is a PLAYMAKER for argentina and his job is to make assist...fuck you the most arrogant people in the world.........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames honestly a sucks player would not be able to score 53 goals a season and make all assist for argentina goals...fuck you...you clearly never watch argentina match..............
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
yeah coz zidane had one of the best midfields in 98 and also in 2006.messi is suposed to dictate play assist and score loads of golas at the same time its impossible.and hes doing a very ood job.look at he video lionel messi passes for argentina and ul see how brilliant hes been given he has no support.all argentina need is support put in pastore and ul see
MrRizo10 4 months ago
i mean lets be honest when r9 and zidane were meant to be best in the world they actually turned up to tournaments for their countries right hahaha messi ballon dor winner for wc and then again before copa and done 0!!!hahaha 18 in 64 for country so so bad
84warrenjames 4 months ago
He certainly did and Messi, messi hasn't scored in a big competition for like 5 years.
Msg me when messi can play without Barca, its funny all argentines dont put messi in mazza level because he isnt the same player out of barca. If he can actually take his barac form to argentina he may win a wc like zidane or at least take them to a final like zidane or win the equivalent of the euros which zidane did, messi 2 world cups and done 0!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames you still not answer my question....did all the best players win the cup alone...........and messi just 204...who the hell is mazza?
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 Maradonna stupid,now listen here bumb bo y! if you tok maradonna out of argentina 86 theyd have got not far at all and had no chance of winning it, france were not even going to qualify for 06 hence zidane coming out of retirement and taking them to the final at 34 years of age! Messi plays amongst players like di maria, aguerro, huguin and still doesnt even score in the last 2 big tournaments, zidane anad marradonna did and they were midfielders, they carried teams messi doesnt.
84warrenjames 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames yeah coz zidane had one of the best midfields in 98 and also in 2006.messi is suposed to dictate play assist and score loads of golas at the same time its impossible.and hes doing a very ood job.look at he video lionel messi passes for argentina and ul see how brilliant hes been given he has no support.all argentina need is support put in pastore and ul see
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames stupid..maradona and zidane did not win the world cup alone ...i know you are people who obsesed to see a player win cup alone without their teammates...stupid football is a teamwork not alone....fuck..yes maybe messi did score a lot of goals...but he is playmaker and his job is to make assist .messi only play with higuain and di maria only........please watch argentrina match next time.....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@amirRXZ2008 ok well im bored but lets just say messi hasnt done anything in the wc and copa and they have! i will say this one last time you thick thick idiot messi has scored o goals in 010 wc and copa this year very bad for the best player in the world weather hes a forward or midfielder its still sucks
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames I remember one of Argentina's Copa America matches, it was the second maybe, Argentina did not win and everyone was saying about how Messi just can't play well with the national team.
Well, thing is, I watched that match live, and Messi was fucking excellent. He gave at least 5 passes that can only be called assistances, which were then bizarrely missed by his "World-Class" teammates.
Honestly, people who say Messi is crap for Argentina are those who only watch highlights
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames honestly a sucks player would not be able to score 53 goals a season and make all assist for argentina goals...fuck you...you clearly never watch argentina match..............
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
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@84warrenjames Just 2011: 3 Goal & 11 Assists (11 Matches, Friendlies + Copa America)➫ World Cup 2014 Qualifers: 1 Goal & 1 Assist in 1 match!------------------------------ that is enough/and if you still wan to debate about this..thats mean you are the most dumbass fucking in the world...the truth is you are very very dumbass!!!!haha you lost to me....
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
@84warrenjames msg me when Zidane becomes more succesful than Messi at 24...good luck in life.
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 You got bucthered in the other video!! cool love :p msg me when messi does something in another team
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames tell me when Zidane wins a WC being an important part of the team.
msanm5 4 months ago
Maradona led argentina to get the world cup and he was still about 25 years old and his team was empty of any stars. there were no higuin, aguero, tevez, lavitzi, pastore, mascerano, di maria... etc
and because Maradona led the weakest team in the world to win the calcio, itali cup,european championship...etc
Messi sucks without Barca
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames no stars in maradoa squad?get a fact stupid........
amirRXZ2008 4 months ago
18 in 64 games, yes he doesn't score barca goals for argentina, prob 64 in the last 64 for barca stop making excuses, maradonna was in a very average team in 86 and was unbelivable in 06 france were an aged team where zidane had to come out of retirement to help them qualify and he took that team to the final at 34, last year where was messi at wc where were the goals he scores at barca, nowhere becuase he needs an amazing team, my point is dont compare him to the greats until hes had the impact
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames but what did Zidane win at 24? :)
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 You dumb parrot, as said use your ears dyslexic boy! were comparing players when they were rated as the best, players peak at different times, when your the best expectations go up whether your 18 or 30, dumb parrot take your time and read slowly
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Messi is 24. so what did Zidane win at 24?
that´s the only fair comparison.
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 Yawnnnn, look idiot boy, lets see if messi wins wc at 26 shall we, havnt got a chance because he only plays well for Barca, 0 goals at wc and copa and wc when he won best player in world!!bored of excuse and the only fact here is 18 in 64 games and 0 in copa and 0 in wc!!!
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames but you didn´t answer me...what did Zidane win at 24?
hard question? ejjejej
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 who said Zidane won anything at 24 you stupid moron, when zidane won award for best in the world he dominated when messi won he totally flopped, everyone knows he can only play in Barca, i think your excuses are boring you have 0 to say,what has messi done out of barca!! nothing, hes proved hes a flop for Argentina now stop riding his cock and be realistic, facts are facts and most Argentinians wouldnt compare him to Maradonna
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames so you´re telling me that Zidane won nothing at messi´s current age(24)?? jajajajajjajajaaajaj
msanm5 4 months ago
@msanm5 yea im also telling you that Zidane was never rated as the best then but when he was boy did he do things that your boy messi never done, how can the best player in the world do fuck all at a wc and copa its pathetic and shows hes not the sam eplayer wihout the best team ever, take him out of it and he struggles to score..boooommm!!haha now little boy i dont speak with parrots and im very bored at your lack of football knowledge xxx i hope one day Messi takes his Barca form to hiscountry
84warrenjames 4 months ago
@84warrenjames Messi with 24 already 3 ballon d´or....3 champions leagues....5 spanish leagues....1 copa del rey...spanish and european supercop...club WC 09....WC sub 20 with argentina...Olympics with argentina....pichichi and top assister of his team...already considered the best in history by many.
Zidane at 24....he played well. LOOOOL
msanm5 4 months ago