Blade Runner - The End (Gaff)

[TheZerozeroone]

So say we all

[FergusTV1]

Gaff is Deckard. Deckard's memories and dreams are those of Gaff. Notice the connection between the ending when Deckard picks up the little origami Unicorn left by Gaff and Deckard's dream of the Unicorn. How else could Gaff know Deckard was dreaming and thinking of a Unicorn unless Gaff was Deckard and Gaff himself dreamed of unicorns

[cepomwa]

@FergusTV1 mate! you are a genius!

Everyone went crazy with that explanation of "he is a replickant because of the unicorn" nobody could in fact explain the relation even when I asked them, but you just did here, I needed to understand it!

thank you so much.

[LoreYseult]

Gaff is the coolest dude ever!

[rredhawk2]

I never got the impression that Deckard was a replicant because I was too busy being blown-away by the movie's ending, where Baty ends up proving he's even more "human" than Deckard, which point would be lost if he also was a replicant.

[warriorofwrestlingv3]

@rredhawk2 But at that point Deckard himself was still unaware of his replicant status-it's only when Gaff leaves the origami unicorn that he realises, I think. So, while the Batty scene wouldn't make sense if one, or both men knew Deckard was also a replicant, neither of them were actually aware of this, at the time

[gungfu777]

I watched BR for the first time on the Blue ray final cut. I'm not like other fans who watched the original. I thought he was a rep half way in the movie: His boss says there are 6 replicans he encounters 5 who's the 6? His eyes glow in the second meeting with Rachel. He collects pics like replicant. And of course the end when gaff leaves the unicorn. Decard is a Nex 7, makes sense cause humans made Reps do the dirty work.

[disengagejam]

@gungfu777 -- in the original there was a mistake in the script and it wasn't changed til much later ... 4 replicants survived from the 6 who escaped from the off-world colony, the 2 died leaving the 4 we see in the film ... the debate of Deckard being a replicant has gone on for over 25 years with no end in sight. IMO, Deckard is a normal person (we need a human POV) the whole unicorn scene was a memory from Rachel, which is why Gaff left the origami to let him know they are aware of her =D

[warriorofwrestlingv3]

@disengagejam Nah the unicorn was a reference to the dream Deckard has featuring a unicorn running through the forest-this was an implanted thought, someone else's memory of a dream they had. Gaff leaving the unicorn there was his way of saying he knew about the dream, and he knew Deckard was a replicant

[cepomwa]

@warriorofwrestlingv3 how does he know it? how can he know about the dream?

[warriorofwrestlingv3]

@cepomwa Because the dream is Gaff's-Gaff is the real Blade Runner, the real top cop. He acts as Deckard's minder, and shows severe disregard for Deckard, because Deckard reminds him of how good he, himself, used to be. Gaff walks with a stick, so he obviously suffered some injury, hence why they gave his thoughts and memories to Deckard, who is, essentially, something of a clone of Gaff. That's how he knows what Deckard is thinking-he also makes the little man with an erection (cont)

[warriorofwrestlingv3]

@cepomwa ...When Deckard meets Rachel-because he knows Rachel already, and he knows that Deckard will feel the same because he has Gaff's personality. Gaff is essentially just there to make sure that Deckard doesn't go rogue-Gaff is always around, watching, and the only time he shows any respect for Deckard is when he says 'You've done a man's job, sir'. The key-word is 'man'. Not replicant-man. He has earned Gaff's respect, and is now considered an equal to Gaff-the real Blade Runner

[warriorofwrestlingv3]

@cepomwa I've since read a brilliant blog on this which tied up the questions I had, I'd definately recommend it. Google 'blade runner gavin rothery' if you want to read it-it should answer your questions as it did my own :)

[cepomwa]

@warriorofwrestlingv3 thanks a lot, when I see all explanations everywhere I get that I didn't fully get the point of the movie i was just watching it.

[cepomwa]

@warriorofwrestlingv3 I just don't get why gaff chose to let her live.

[warriorofwrestlingv3]

@cepomwa Oh, it's the blog entitled 'a matter of electric sheep' by the way-there's a few Blade Runner-related things on there. Excellent read

[gungfu777]

I have the 5 Disc collectors Blue Ray Edition. In the Enhancement Archive there are many producers besides Ridley who says he is a Repicant. The real story is the final cut. The final cut was how it was meant to be made but the studio freaked out. They wanted a voice over that gave Decard a back story and a happy ending. The final cut is a masterpiece.

[DarthGarz]

Deckard isn't a replicant, at least not in the novel. The point of the this line in the movie, I think, is that Deckard ISN'T a replicant. Gaff says "then again who does?" meaning that even a long-lived human never really lives a full life. The replicants die after 4 years, but Baty claims that he's seen more than Deckard ever will. I think the idea is that humans and replicants aren't that different. The uncertainty is there to reinforce the similarities between the two types of people.

[elements4561]

all of them are replicants even the cop

[gibson1789]

"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?"

[AHafan1]

I love that line; it makes the division between replicants and humans irrelevant, because does anyone REALLY live in the city?

[kenspocket]

Its a pretty basic plot , decard is a cop . end of .

[JoshGilhen]

Deckard is a Cylon

[smegmadiver22]

he has a very upbeat attitude

[dcj28]

Ridley Scott is an idiot. I love him for making my favourite film, but i hate his decision to make deckard a replicant or to even suggest he may be, which is a move simply to add some sort of twist to the ending if you ask me. I say this because it works on so many less levels than it does with Deckard being a human, and takes away a lot of what the film is about. The so called 'replicant' teaching an actual human how precious life is in Roy battys death scene is just one of many examples.

[terrasweet]

@dcj28 why would you say that? deckard doesn't actually know he's a replicant for most (if not all) of the film. it doesn't really make any difference either way because both characters act as though deckard has the life that roy doesn't.

i agree that i think the whole thing was just a 'twist' and that it's a little overrated and overshadows the actual questions of the movie, though.

[McLarenMercedes]

If Deckard is a replicant and Gaff the real Blade Runner why didn't Gaff simply retire Deckard after finishing the job? After all Blade Runner units had the right by law to retire any replicant on Earth.

Ok, Gaff chose not to retire Rachael and even left one of his origami figures as proof he was there. Perhaps he was cruel enough to show he wanted to give Deckard and Rachael a head start before he came after them both. I don't see Gaff as a particularly sympathetic character.

[EdgarTFriendly]

but then again who does?

[kenspocket]

@EdgarTFriendly that's too bad ..

[calsoccerforever]

which version of blade runner is this?

[kenspocket]

@calsoccerforever the final final final remastered theatrical dub cut remix mk 6:p.

[calsoccerforever]

which version of blade runner is this?

[McLarenMercedes]

"You've done a man's job sir....but are you sure you are a man??"

Gaff originally said this too.

[ThoughtTraveler]

Gaff for President in 2012!!!!

[jcfbell3001]

well, he has been "bucking for promotion" for 27 years...

[ThoughtTraveler]

LOL

Yes he HAS!!!

[Dynaverse]

Deckard is a new type of replicant, same as Rachel. They are prototype nexus 7.

[AnonIonCannon]

Only in the book

[TheScienceFoundation]

That's speculation, neither in DADES or Bladerunner is it made clear that Deckard is a replicant. Ridley Scott originally said the unicorn was an obfuscation.

[howardmark]

I think Ridley Scott had his tongue at least half in his cheek when he said the unicorn meant Deckard WAS a replicant, I think he was just continuing to stir the pot a bit more concerning this issue. Rutger intimated as such in the same doco.If you see the ibterveiw eith Ridley watch his parting cheeky eye roll and grin.

[dalkass]

harisson ford said he wasnt a replicant

[WVrrus]

I've read the book. There are hints in early and mid parts, and quite a confirmation near the end of the book that Decard is a replicant indeed.

However.

In both book and movie, it's NOT the point to "find for sure" if Decard is a replicant or not. Instead, one universal truth is to be understood: "no matter the origin, it only matters if the being is sentient *enough* or not".

Is he replicant? My answer: doesn't matter. Like if "real human" don't kill each other in huge quantities...

[austimwelch]

@WVrrus

Philip Dick, Hampton Fancher, AND Harrison Ford all said Deckard is a human...so why do you keep debating it? Bored I guess lololol

[tomiguess]

@austimwelch If you agree with Roland Barthes' 'Death of the Author', which i do, then it doesn't matter whether or not Philip K. Dick said after (not in) the novel, that Deckard is human.

[dcj28]

@WVrrus Deckard is not a replicant in Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep - offical. He takes the voight kampff test and it's confirmed that he is infact human.

[N330AA]

@WVrrus He ISN'T a replicant in DADOES

[hankheavy]

Lol! Getting that pissed of because of a comment! Haha, it seems like qFinality likes to jerk of when he's watching the movie. "Don't talk shit about my baby!" hahahaha!

[holliday666]

the unicorn dream was an installment into deccard's mind.

gaff knew this and placed the origami for deccard to find.

deccard's a replicant.

[watts18269]

I've always liked to think that Deckard is human.

[Kiwimarra]

sorry to rock the boat but he's not

however you are entitled to your opinion

[watts18269]

Well theres no concrete evidence in the movie either way so you are entitled to yours also.

[KGDABE]

jesus your seem to be getting extremely pissed over this,

remember books are usually different from movies, the movie was beautiful, I've never read the book, but the movie doesn't have to be exactly like the book.

the argument that deckard is human stems from the dream of the unicorn in the newest version of the movie, after he dreams of the unicorn while he is playing the piano.

in the end of the movie, gaff leaves an origami unicron at his appartment, everyone has their own opinions, chill

[byteless]

I always thinked that Deckard is gay lol

[OneMrCosmo]

Ridley Scott admitted in the MOVIE version (screenplay) Deckard is a REPLICANT indeed.

-HINT - The unicorn...sitting down at piano looking at pictures strangely...gaff knew too...

[05027802]

Ok, I'm gonna say this one more time for the cheap seats; Make your own mind up on weather Deckard is a replicant or not. Who cares what Scott said years later in an interview, the beauty of this movie is that there is evidence both for and against the contention. Therefore it allows 'you' the viewer to decide for yourself. He didn't take Voight-Kampff test so no one can say either way; and yes that includes Ridley Scott himself!

[Pupey]

EXACTLY. 05027802 is right on. Also, it's just one of the hooks that reel you in to this story. So all you other dummies out there shut up and let me listen to my Britney Spears!

[conorw69]

do androids dream of electric sheep is the original novel but even that is hugely ambiguous, since the author is now dead no real proof can be determined. i suggest the book 2 anyone its brilliant

[KevMoh06]

I think it's pretty clear in the book that he is not a android.

[Intranetusa]

I doubt Deckard is a replicant, in order to even qualify as a Blade Runner they would've did all sorts of tests to make sure he was human.

[gasaholic47]

You'll need to rent/but Blade Runner-The Fianl Cut series. The documentary, "Dangerous Days," (The original name of the script, btw.) very clearly points out that Deckard IS a replicant. (and it is not only Scott that verifies it.) The subtle hints in both the director' cut and The Final Cut make it far less ambiguous.

However, as has been pointed out, the book is somewhat ambiguous, though having read it a few times, I lean towards Deckard being human in it.

[Intranetusa]

yes i know. Scott says he is a rep, but Harrison Ford objected and said he is stilla human

[gasaholic47]

Ford can say what he wants. Since it is the directors movie, Scott has the final say. I would recommend reading "Future Noir - The Making Of Blade Runner." by Paul M. Sammnon. It is considered THE authority on the making of the movie......

[Intranetusa]

well, it is up for interpretation. there are a lot of arguments for and against deckard being a replicant

[qFinality]

Scott does not have the final word; Scott is just that, the DIRECTOR, not the writer. Are you serious with your argument?

[gasaholic47]

Uh, I hate to break the news to you, but the script was more than just what the writer wrote on the page. It is obvious you have no idea of what it takes to make a movie. (Yes, I have and I do, as I have acted in some.) The director can have just as much a role in shaping the direction of the story as the writer does. Guess you never heard about the concept of rewrites being done on set. (Often done by others, including the director.)

[travispacino]

of course what Scott says must be considered true. it is his gig you know. a movie is a product of director not the writers nor the actors.

[gogetterslive]

I think they created Deckard specifically to hunt replicants, complete with fake memories and everything. Scott got the idea from do androids dream of electric sheep, when Deckard meets another bounty hunter who he suspects is actually another replicant but doesn't know it.

[Intranetusa]

well, I don't see the point in that since he didn't have any special abilities - he was just on par with the average human

[katy1423]

oh thanks :)

[katy1423]

ummmm at the end does roy die

[yotatony]

Yes.

[cosmicpete]

theres a movie on youtube where ridley scott himself says that dekard is a replecant... even though in androids he isnt

[imruins]

thats not true - in the book the same questions about whether he is human or not are still present, but the movie makes a point of defining him as a replicant (unicorn scenes, gaff's unicorn at the end, etc.)

[cosmicpete]

yes but ridley scott has him as a replecant in his movie...'do androids dream of electric sheep' is quie different to the film such as deckard having a wife and purchasing real and electric animals... your right in sayng the book leaves it up to debate, im just saying that scott says deckard is a replecant

[ltwesjanson]

Gaff IS the Blade Runner.  The question of whether Deckard is a replicant should be settled by now. Gaff is his controller, his subtle puppetmaster. Notice how Gaff appears almost immediately after Deckard retired Zhora, and how he knows where Deckard is after Roy dies. He even knows Deckard lost his pistol, as he throws it to him. What makes Gaff intruiging is that he seems to show empathy for Deckard, in spite of or perhaps because of how he has used him.

[LicoriceWarrior]

@ltwesjanson in the same way as Deckard shoes sympathy for Rachel maybe ?

[SuperThissucks]

@ltwesjanson there is an interview with ridley scott in which he says that he did try to allude to deckard being a replicant and if you notice that the origami animal that he leaves for deckard at his apartment is a unicorn.... just like the one in his dreams. The supposition being that gaff is the bladerunner and deckards memories are indeed his

[Letes92]

@ltwesjanson

gaff is all but subtle, especially when you read the original dialogue

[warriorofwrestlingv3]

@ltwesjanson I'd never considered this before, I was hung up on the replicant thing. Great analysis, I don't know if the film-makers would agree with you, but I'd like to hope so-it would add a whole new element to the story.

[brhodes0]

some fans have Gaff as the real blade runner, with Deckard as an unkowing replicant doing all the physical/dangerous stuff...

[qFinality]

One of the greatest lines ever- Gaff is an underrated character in the film.