Turing Test and Chinese Room Experiment on Numb3rs

[somanypenpals]

For being all of 30 seconds long, that was a pretty good sketch of Searle's "Chinese Room" thought experiment. I mean, what do you expect, an explanation of Turing's motivations for suggesting a behavioristic test of A.I., a brief history of A.I. theory between him and Searle, and then Searle's multi-step argument that includes the infamous thought experiment?

[StargateMunky]

@somanypenpals It's also a great way to destroy the argument. you have to have something that understands the rules in order to carry them out. This the whole basis for a heir-achy of thought.

One level doesn't NEED to understand the WHOLE thought process in order to be conscious but it does need some part that understands what is going on at some level.

and as it turns out we do have lower level though/brain process that "we" don't understand but influence how we behave in the real world.

[R4LPH0M0N]

Haha that's fucking bullshit

They managed to conflate two loosely related things into one clusterfuck of nonsense

[FireOps]

Chinese, the best and most unbreakable secret code in history!

[Potchi79]

"You see there was this scientist named Alan Turing who ordered Chinese food and ate it in this room..."

[Nioeann]

The guy isn't explaining the turing test, he's explaining an argument against it called the chinese room thought experiment.

[grendelee]

My brain is melting trying to combine these two things in the way HES saying it.......but what if......the man was also typing in RUSSIAN.....thus proving that......chinese....and russian.....arent computers? .......

[truemonolith]

That is NOT a Turing test!!!

[paxpacis2]

@truemonolith It isn't it's the chinese room

[moosesgalore]

turing test is a matter of whether AI can genuinely be human intelligence or will it always be virtually different and an approximation; the chinese room is a question of if a human could be transcribing symbols in a manner where the human does not know the actual language but answers according to certain rules, why can't this be virtually the same as in terms of logic, a computer trained to respond accordingly? in other words, the machine is not showing intelligence, but following parameters.

[tomakist]

The Chinese room never made any sense to me. Here's my thought experiment: Give words to an organ made of atoms, since the atoms don't understand what the words mean, the organ can't either - Reductio ad absurdum.

[thecamlayton]

Chinese room argument is an argument against strong AI. That is, translation from one language to another does not necessarily mean comprehension by the machine; it's just matching symbols with a key. Turing test is simply a test to gauge whether an AI program can convincingly communicate like a human. If a Chinese room experiment was run well enough, it might fool a user and therefore pass the Turing test, for example.

[moegreen2]

Not so sure if we understand why we do things ether. It's not like we know the reason all the time. Most of the time we only have the illusion of knowing why we do stuff, we rationalize our emotions. If you insult a person, he will most likely get angry whether he show it or not, but he don't need to know that it is because you have lowered his social status and therefor his power and influence over the current environment, and that he is programed to become hostile to this. He'll react anyways.

[UkitakeTachou]

We have reason to be slightly annoyed at things like this and the CSI Miami "VB GUI INTERFACE"

They contribute to the public's idiocy, because they get false information on a topic they may be interested in.

[chrrybm8]

@UkitakeTachou

because people get information about computers from 30 second clips on crime shows?

[candIejac]

@chrrybm8 Yes, just like people get information from Fox "news"

[UkitakeTachou]

@chrrybm8

When that same crime show goes into detail about the information, yes they do. And when those details happen to be completely inaccurate, the general public, thinking they've learned about the subject, will be utterly confused when they hear about it in an actual situation, or be embarrassed when they attempt to speak about it. Even if it never comes up in their day to day life, going around believing false information cannot be good for anyone.

[yns088]

LISP! LAMBDA FUNCTIONS! I don't even care that it's not actually a Turing test being described.

[confusedmatthew]

Wow, that wasn't an accurate description of the Turing test OR the Chinese room!

[fuvix92]

@confusedmatthew this is the chinese room... it enlarged the topic recalling the turing test but he's not completely right

[sssaba]

im only going by what is mentioned in the clip. Are you going to post on CBS's website about the invalidity of Charlie's statement as well?

Why dont you go back into the hole you crawled out of or back to your weight loss centre fatass.

[jennyleecraig]

This is freaking John Searle's version of AI,

the Chinese Box or Room theory NOT turing test

Dumb Ass

[BoyintheMachine]

You are correct.

[quiendemoniossoy]

yep, you are right it's chinese room actually

depction of Turing Test is not an acurate statement

[omarlion64]

i love charlie

[sssaba]

This is from Season 4, Episode 10

[andreacutie]

which episode is this???? id like to watch the whole episode!