No Mr. Beck, That Wasn't 'Some Professor' -- That Was Me

[springingforward]

Just found this video. I do have a history degree, and am a life time student of history. Just because you don't like what is being said by someone does not make a it a lie. American history books have been going through the revisionist overhaul for many decades now. I rarely trust a history book that has been written in the last 25 years. When history is rewritten to meet political aims it is no longer history. It then becomes propaganda. Call Barton what you like. I know history and the truth.

[WildFire0925]

i would like to do the Christian thing and have him turn the other lying cheek so i might bash ii thru th the other lying cheek

[jdbohdan]

Many of the founding fathers were Christians of some denomination and it was a strong part of the culture of the times. It is impossible to cleary disregard or separate any influences and education someone has growing up from the decisions they make. However to say the government is founded on a religion is untrue and only a leap of deduction which is not valid.

[bRizzle2009100]

@Pooternackle5 "Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone that can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand in our country." - John Adams

Yes, secularism....

[bRizzle2009100]

@Pooternackle5 Aiken printed the Bible yes, but there was a Congressional endorsement on the front of the Bible when it was printed.

And yes the church services were. Look in the Library of Congress. It specifically says that Jefferson started them and attended them regularly.

States were allowed to do that bc the 1st amendment originally only applied to the federal govt. Notice how the 1st amendment begins saying, "Congress shall make no law..." which means the federal govt.

[bRizzle2009100]

@Pooternackle5 "The majority of the founders were secularists."

The majority of the founders advocated for religion in the public square. The majority of the founders advocated for christian morality to be taught in schools. Just look at the religious proclamations issued by governors, presidents and the continental congress during the founding era. Look at things like the church services in the U.S. Capitol Building. The printing of the first english Bible by congress. They weren't secular.

[bRizzle2009100]

@Pooternackle5 "The men you listed were among the most conservative of the founding fathers, who were against the values the majority held which were secularism and republicanism."

Read about guys like James Wilson, Roger Sherman, Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, John Jay, John Witherspoon, Fisher Ames, and others. It was ppl like Franklin and Jefferson who were in the minority and ppl like Sherman and Rush who were in the majority. Know your founders. There were 250+ of them.

[bRizzle2009100]

@Pooternackle5 1.) "...saw the institutions of Christianity and Islam to be inherently evil." Is that why he attended an Episcopal Church his whole life? Is that why he started christian church services in the U.S. Capitol Building, War Dept, and Treasury Dept Buildings? Is that why attended the services in the Capitol regularly? For a man who saw Christianity as "inherently evil", he sure sent a lot of mixed messages.

[bRizzle2009100]

@Pooternackle5 What I was saying about Jefferson was this: He was one of the least religious of the founders. Just look at guys like Benjamin Rush, John Witherspoon, and Roger Sherman and compare them to Jefferson, not even close. However, just bc he was one of the least religious doesn't mean he despised religion. He started church services in the U.S. Capitol Building and attended almost everyone of them. He released prayer proclamations as Gov of Virginia.

[bRizzle2009100]

@Pooternackle5 "Since the 50's our freedoms have been disintegrating as the american people have started to reject secularism"

Are u not aware of the Court rulings of 1947, 1962, 1963 and others that for the first time in America's history secularized our public school system? If anything, we have become more secular in the last 50 years. And by the way, stop cherry-picking quotes from the founding fathers. U used a quote from one of the least religious of the founders to prove a secular point.

[atheistworstenemy]

@frednoname1 Those documents are taken our of contexts, and obviously so. If I write about my religious philosophy, these writings would be 100% irrelevant to what I intend the country to be.

[JBright9939]

It was printed on Jefferson's stationary.

[1angrywhite]

Glenn was the last man standing.

[bRizzle2009100]

Barton has hundreds of thousands of American documents from the founding era. He collects them. He has the largest private collection of this kind in the country. U can go on his website and he has pictures of most of them including the ones he was talking about.

[jfsfrnd]

@bRizzle2009100 Okay so David Barton ''has hundreds of thousands of American documents from the founding era'' and THAT ALONE is proof that he is telling the truth. Have you read them yourself and compared them to what he is stating they say or do you simply believe him because he owns them?

[jfsfrnd]

@bRizzle2009100 I suppose that David Barton has the ''thousands of'' other documents that that Thomas Jefferson signed ''in the year of our lord christ''. Can you give us the link to where they are?

[bRizzle2009100]

@jfsfrnd If u go to the wall builders website and go under historical documents, its one of the last ones listed (bc its in alphabetical order). You'll see the document Barton is talking about.

Jefferson did many religious things. He helped start church at the U.S. Capitol Building, War Dept, and Treasury Dept on Sundays. He was a frequent attender at the services at the Capitol Building. Mr. "Separation of Church and State" himself, literally MERGED the church and state on Sundays.

[jfsfrnd]

@bRizzle2009100 ''Document''? He said there were ''thousands of others''. So, where are they? And simply making statements about Jefferson doesn't prove them.

[DonJulioBlanco2002]

I guess it's expecting too much for these people to actually read Jefferson's own comments on the subject?

[GreatBigBore]

Actually, I'm glad you're not a professor. We need more like you: people who simply know how to read and think critically. Great work.

[Sage80]

LOL. Moronic left.

[atheistworstenemy]

@Sage80 Yeah, shucks, it's awfully moronic to have the unanimity of historians on your side!

[fishblades]

"claiming that Jefferson dated "thousands" of documents in this way."

He is actually in possession of a lot of these documents... have you ever seen an original Thomas Jefferson writing?

[xexixk]

@fishblades Funny that he never shows the documents or submits them to examination. Funny that doucments of Jefferson's in the possesion of the Library of Congress - as well as others - nevery show Jefferson signing documents as Barton claims he did. I suppose you also like those fake quotes of the founding fathers that some people still parrot, even though Barton has admitted they are fake.

[stoltzmans]

Ahhh, he shown plenty of documents, here is an Idea prove him wrong. You can't. The Nah-ah brigade strikes again, you people really suck at proving your revision of history with facts and evidence.

[xexixk]

@stoltzmans He holds these documents up and waves them out or shows some section of a doument on a monitor. He has never submitted any of these documents for any kind of examination to determine if they are even legitimate. None of Jefferson's known documents in the Library of Congress or elsewhere are signed as Barton claims Jefferson signed the ones he supposedly has. Why won't Barton submitted them for examination by experts? Show them for all to see?

[kwstevens]

Mr. Barton seems to have answers to all the questions he is asked even if he doesn't know the answer because he speaks authoritatively and doesn't have to provide any evidence. He did the same thing recently talking about Washington and his relationship with Freemasonry. Sorry to see the level of discourse in the states sliding increasingly down hill as certain parties re-write history to fit their intolerant world views.

[xexixk]

@kwstevens It's depressing, isn't it?

[qwertypoiu4321]

David Barton is a FRAUD! The US Federal State was not, IN ANY SENSE, founded on the christian religion.

[sciencemile]

"So was he a Christian or a Deist?"

<.< he was a Christian Deist. lolz

[Jinxerz010792]

I did. It's Fred that thinks otherwise, it seems.

[Jinxerz010792]

To what? The Netherlanders demanding that the United States fill out forms to the letter in order to avoid the United States Trade ships being ransacked on the open seas for lack of proper papers?

Or does a magic sky daddy telling Jefferson how to write the Constitution have something to do with this?

[Jinxerz010792]

wallbuilders (dot)com / LIBissuesArticles (dot) asp ?id= 22345

(Remove spaces and replace (dot) with a period.)

Taken directly from the website which states Jefferson signed it that way.

As you'll notice, however, "In the year of our Lord Christ" Has been PRE-PRINTED. As were all the others.

Or are you blind?

[Jinxerz010792]

If you mean the shipping documents that were pre-printed, that Jefferson signed, then yes, I know of exactly the papers you speak of. He however, did not sign "In the year of our lord Christ"

Those were already printed on the page. He merely signed his name.

As for why he signed them, needless to say, it wasn't the American government that decided what would be on these papers, nor ruled that they would have to be produced to the letter and signed in order to be valid. The Netherlands did.

[Sajun777]

Dear conservatives... Give me a direct link to something I can see that actually has "In the year of our lord" and is signed by "Thomas Jefferson". Do the research for me, find something for me, prove it to me. But quit with the baseless crap til then.

[sihotang1975]

I saw the video, and i remember she was in keith olbie msnbc also talking about barton...but it is weird, in this video she didnt show any proof...

so..which one shall i believe? the deceiver of david barton?

[guyinkentucky1]

go to memory.loc.gov and look for yourself to see it one he was a desit. And to see how she signed his letters and papers

[GLeNss]

I love how he scoffs at "some professor"

[atheistworstenemy]

@frednoname1 and these documents are....?

you probably don't even care that Mr. Barton is widely regarded as fabricating history... you know, by people who know history.

[Skitch10]

@atheistworstenemy and these documents are....? Well, they are in the possession of his company - Wall Builders. You can view them on his web site, or you can visit his company and see them in person. It's hard to fabricate history when you have over 100,000 original documents pre 1850.

[adentstuff]

@Skitch10

Ok, I went to his site. I looked at his historical documents.  He doesn't have a single other document signed that way by Jefferson, and it's quite plain that the document he does have is a pre-printed document (including the "in the year of our lord christ" line) that Jefferson merely filled in a few blanks and signed. So, now it's up to you or Mr. Barton to provide some actual proof to back up his claims of thousands of such documents.

[atheistworstenemy]

@Skitch10 Yeah, I'm aware. It's EASY to fabricate history when you misconstrue content - i.e., taking personal letters to describe political/civil intent, as Barton does.

Are you really this desperate to believe in your theocracy?

[malkooth]

@atheistworstenemy They've got a raging shit covered hard on for Jesus bro. Jesus could probably drink more jizz than any man in history and call it God's love.

[atheistworstenemy]

@malkooth lol I love you. Also, nevermind my channel, it's a troll channel.

[Jinxerz010792]

link, or it didn't happen.

[earkron]

vimeo(dot)com/12791167

[XJaggedgeX]

Put the vimeo link somewhere we can click on it.... Such a pain otherwise. Just post it to youtube.