Lord Tebbit at the Bruges Speech 20th Anniversary Dinner

[menofsteelcombat]

"You know they withdrew their labour and didn't go to work ."

Indeed, due to union pressure. Later, they changed their minds and were killed for their efforts in trying to return to work. I believe "DOH!" was the term you used...

What on Earth you believe the OECD has to do with utopia, I have no idea. However, if you would tell me you would rather live anywhere not included in the OECD, I think you'd be lying or horrifically uninformed. Unless, of course, you disagree with liberal democracy..

[menofsteelcombat]

A concrete slab through a windshield, actually. Marksmanship doesn't really factor.

...and what if the brick was meant for the police? Is that acceptavble behaviour in your eyes. I can't help but get the feeling you're somewhat of an armchair revolutionary.

[Wolfiespeaks]

You really haven't done your homework have you! The slab of concrete was put through taxi driver David Willkies windscreen actually, and no it wasn't acceptable behaviour, just as the actions and behaviour of the police and government, which where reminiscent of a police state, werent.. You cannot label all miners because of the actions of a couple of pillocks. Youre supposed to be studying this subject! Ultimately the miners where right about their industry being destroyed.

[menofsteelcombat]

Aah, true. Yes, apologies for confusing names. However, I don't see how you doing a quick google search to correct me mitigates the point.

If you look back over this conversation, you have changed your point about three times over. It is clear you are arguing for the sake of it with no knowledge base.

And, yes, the industry was destroyed... with extremely good reason. As I have already said, the production sector had to be scaled back to maintain economic solvency.

[Wolfiespeaks]

Care to tell me where I've  changed my point. I've spent most of my time correcting you on your "famous names", so famous you can't equate which name goes with which event!

[Wolfiespeaks]

Don't expect to high a grade for your masters, the writings on the wall.

[menofsteelcombat]

1.First you say how the Thatcher governments destroyed lives; then you say how every government is the same. Thus, in your eyes, every government must be terrible (which is a ridiculous suggestion) or you've changed your point.

2.After pointing out your dislike of all politics, you proceeded quote Disraeli to back up your points.

3.You tried to explain that the people I mentioned refused to work. Then, when you realised your mistake you decided to question whether their deaths were deliberate.

[Wolfiespeaks]

1.Have not changed my point.

2.Merely using a valid quote about statistics.

3.They weren't working they where on the picket line.

4.Puts wrong age down ....Fact.

5. An agenda to demean the institutions of the working class.

[Wolfiespeaks]

"the production sector had to be scaled back to maintain economic solvency."

If that is what you believe then you really don't have any understanding of what the miners strike was ultimately all about.

[menofsteelcombat]

4.You make personal insults rather than debating facts.

5.Not changing your point but equally ridiculous is your ability to come up with grand statements such as "If that is what you believe then you really don't have any understanding..." without any supporting evidence. What was the miner's strike about, then? If not restoring democracy and controlling a recession?

As I said before, if you want to back up your claims with anything other than profanities or insults, please, do so...

[Wolfiespeaks]

The Tory government of Margaret Thatcher mobilised the entire strength of the state to crush the National Union of Mineworkers. Paramilitary riot police placed mining communities under total siege. The welfare state was manipulated to starve miners back to work. Billions were spent to keep the power stations running without coal. The full weight of the courts was used to sequestrate the funds of the miners' union and break its resolve. As long as the rich are ok thats all that matters!

[PeteGeeza86]

^^

Working class Tory cunt

^^

[Wolfiespeaks]

Because of the damage the old sod did with his disgusting excuse for a leader Thatcher

[menofsteelcombat]

Another socialist with no understanding of the 1980s economy. TINA

[Wolfiespeaks]

Care to tell us exactly what experience of the 80's you have?

Or are you just another young tory who wasn't even born but thinks they know what it was like?

[menofsteelcombat]

If you're looking at the age on my profile, I'm actually 22... filled it in wrong and could never be arsed to change it. I was born. I wasn't old enough to understand, it's true.

Difference is, I'm sitting a Masters in economic history focused on Thatcherite reforms.

Care to tell us what you mean by "damage"?

What suffered? The GDP? The RPI? Productivity? Industrial output? The £M0?

I'm struggling...

[Wolfiespeaks]

So you didn't know your age and your at Uni doing a masters......I shake my head, maybe a career at the treasury beckons.

I'm a lot older and have been at the University of Life for nearly 50 years, just remember you can't teach experience. GDP, RPI all they are are figures and as you should be aware figures can be interpreted in any number of ways. Ask you tutor to fill you in on how she used the receipts from North Sea oil to pay people to do nothing.

[menofsteelcombat]

I never noticed your reply until now but, my, what dry wit you possess. Honestly, any need for the sarcasm?

The "University of Life" provides a somewhat one-sided perspective, I'm afraid, regardless of how many years you've notched up. GDP, RPI and the like are figures, yes, but they are compiled and agreed upon statistics that represent economic fact.

Thatcher took over an economy in a recession. Someone had to suffer; she chose to make a minority suffer rather than the majority...

[menofsteelcombat]

In fact, I would imagine your cynicism stems from your being a member of a sectoral group which did suffer. If so, unlucky but that's the nature of economics.

As for your ludicrous comment about North Sea Oil. Do you mean her spending of the revenue on privatisation? 'Cos I think you'll find that was a highly succesful policy (see Clause IV).

As for Tebbit, all he did was introduce a Trade Union Act which allowed people to go to work without the threat of violence or death!

[Wolfiespeaks]

Bollocks."Lies, damned lies, and statistics" Disraeli. As for the University of life being one sided that may or may not be true but at least I was there and talk from experience, what do you base your argument on........Books.......tutors? As for tebbit he was a cunt and I would gladly shoot the cunt given the opportunity. I did well in the 80s.love that picture when the IRA blew up the hotel and tebbit was pictured in agony.

[menofsteelcombat]

Interesting that you quote a Tory leader, responsible for the least socialist (and most imperialist-minded) legislation in the history of the UK.

What a reasoned response. I hope you remain happy (and politically inactive) in your ignorance.

[menofsteelcombat]

...and I just have to add. As for "bollocks", please, by all means refute any of the claims I have made with something slightly more logical and evidential than cursing and the glorification of violence.

[Wolfiespeaks]

My we have been looking up big words in the dictionary. It may appear as ignorance to someone fresh out of nappies. Someone who is politically naive, but one day you will have the benefit of hindsight and then you may come to realise that whichever party is in power nothing changes. They are all shite! My tip for 20 years time.recession, Terrorism and poverty. Like I said nothing changes.

[menofsteelcombat]

Apologies. I have a vocabularly beyond profanities. You should try it sometime... It's delightfully ironic that you suggest my naivety when you still fail to provide any shreds of evidence. Secondly, you don't even stick to one argument. One minute you are saying that the Tories wrecked the country and, then, you say nothing's changed. So, did they have an effect or not, professor?

Thatcher saved hardworking men from being attacked/killed by union activists for simply going to work!

[Wolfiespeaks]

"Thatcher saved hardworking men from being attacked/killed by union activists for simply going to work!" You must believe in faires as well. She destroyed communities, and peoples lives, you'll be able to read about that in one of your books and hence be an expert on that. Just remind me of you D.O.B

[menofsteelcombat]

Look up David Jones and Joe Green: two miners famously (or so I had thought) killed by Scargill's supporters for refusing to strike... just because they wanted to work. I consider that rather more significant and disgusting than a fairy story! Thatcher's closed shop reforms were extremely important and copied by the vast majority of OECD countries. I assume you know better than those world leaders and their electorates...

For a "university of life" graduate, you have sure missed a lot! Grow up

[Wolfiespeaks]

Would that be the same Joe Green & David Jones who where killed while on picket duty? You know they withdrew their labour and didn't go to work .DOH!. OECD oh yeh we are all living in utopia now aren't we.

[Smudger830]

Disgusting comment from a seemingly bitter old man. Like him or loathe him, his wife was crippled for life in that bombing - has your "University of Life" (zzzzzzzzzzz) ever had to face up to anything like that?

[Wolfiespeaks]

I think you'll find Tebbit is more bitter than me. Sad his wife got hit but good to know Tebbit suffers each day.

[Wolfiespeaks]

Can't wait to read that this vile man has died

[jasetheaceukuk]

he was qaulity !!

[Wolfiespeaks]

Your right, a quality TWAT!

[simontrichards]

The best Prime Minister we never had.