Japanese Scale No. 1

[santosf1985]

Creo que es más sencillo acomodarse digamos:

6cuerda 7 9 10 5cuerda 9.... gracias

[santosf1985]

bien

[bonzzo15]

badass!

[chelseamegadeth]

This is exactly the same as the Indian Classical Raag called Shivaranjani..

[Rich7714]

Yeah, a lot of the music from Sega's Shinobi 3 game used this scale! It's great!

[mcpancakes]

for those that understand better with scale degrees (like myself): 1 2 b3 5 6. like the major pentatonic, but with a flatted third.

[believin13]

is that back music copied wrighted, since it's yours?

[pockthehairy]

could someone please translate this into English?

[AirHendrix91]

The thing is, how do I solo over a progression? Like I can use my scales to stay within C Minor and C Major but I want to be able to solo over chords like everyone else...

And how would I necessarily use a Japanese (in sen) C scale? Can I play it over C major or minor?

And what sites would you recommend for free backing tracks? Thanks for bearing with me. Cool japanese licks though :D.

[AirHendrix91]

Alright, newbie question but bear with me.

So I pretty much have been messing around with Natural Minor, and Minor Pentatonic with the C Minor backing track on YouTube and have seen my soloing ability go through the roof plus its extremely fun too.

Been doing the same with the Jazzy C Major backing track they have on YouTube to practice my major pentatonic and major scale shapes.

Thing is, I have these four shapes pretty much under control now thanks to Chordbook's website.

[hideyasoki]

first 3 notes = Batman theme llol

[DRGasMoney]

slightly unjapanese way of approaching it.

[robertbombino999]

what fret do you start on

[HercNastyz999]

this sounds like a alot of the stuff on dynasty warriors

[wackid89]

What's the backing music?

[CapitalAlchemy]

A quick song that I through together for an intro and outro.

[wackid89]

It's cool, expand on it!

[CapitalAlchemy]

haha, I appreciate it - I might just do that

[wackid89]

Let me know when you do

[ikkenmushou]

I like that scales, but I can't find too much information. If you play a phrigian mode and avoid the b3, it sounds japanese too... and fits a minor or a dominant chord.

Same if you play the scale you were using but from the 5th. That's all I know about it.

[Filipinokid]

i kinda noticed that too.. i know i might seem stalker-ish because i commented on two of your comments haha but i'm just starting to learn these scales

[wackid89]

It's a Dorian with missing 4th and 7th

[Shockheadd45]

Dude, I have been playing guitar for 3-4 years, and I play a lot of different genres. I was wondering, if there is a guitar chord/arpeggio that sounds Japanese, or Chinese?

And scale music theory confuses the hell out of me. I need help.

[solosolo1234567]

hirojosha or somehing like thati forget the name

[CapitalAlchemy]

I can't remember it either. I was trying to play it from memory from years back and I got it from Monster Scales and Modes by Dave Celentano.

Solosolo is right - there were two forms of the scale and each had a distinctive name. I couldn't remember so I named mine No. 1 and apparently some purists didn't like that or that I played it differently very much, but I think it still sounds pretty sweet ;)

Anyways the book I mentioned had tons of stuff - its been 7 years since I've seen a copy though

[Shockheadd45]

To my bestof interpretation, and logic, since there is a scale of all kinds that sound you know, (whatever the sound the scale is) isn't there a chord version of that scale too?

Like for the Japanese scales, are there chords that reflect the scales, by sounding Japanese themselves?

[RNRDOLL]

harmonize the scale..just like you would any major or minor. Then you'll find the chords. ...Grasshoppa

[Shockheadd45]

Thanks, lol.

[prinznevsky]

@Shockheadd45

um pentatonic scales are the fundamental patterns of all music, world-wide. You ain't gonna have a "chinese" chord because there is no harmony in that kind of traditional music. You can come up with a chord I suppose, but you need to think of it as something other than "chords" and "arpeggios". get a keyboard!

[Shockheadd45]

I know that about scales.

But how can you say there i no harmony in that kind of traditional music when, that the thing that is most important in music?

Unless, they just improvise over a key or a mode/scale? I already a keyboard, I just don't use as much as my guitar.

[prinznevsky]

@Shockheadd45 harmony is a European thing, if you study traditional Japanese music (and just about all other traditional musics) you will find that there is no concept of "harmony" in the European sense. It's the way they worked it out. If you were to apply Euro-centric concepts to it, it would basically render it pointless, and non traditional.

[Shockheadd45]

Doesn't all music all some form of harmony no matter how old, or new is has been or is?

And it's not useless, since most Asian traditional music has been influenced by Classical music, and have fused it with their own, on occasion.

[prinznevsky]

@Shockheadd45 most music in the world actually doesn't have "harmony" in the European sense. The closest thing to "harmony" would usually be two or more instruments playeing separate lines that would occasionally "mesh". you can make chords out of any scale, but that concept itself is European/Western derived.

[Shockheadd45]

That's what I looking for, dude.

Thanks, man. Like a universal harmony but in music. So all music does have that harmony if not in the European/Classical sense, right?

[prinznevsky]

@Shockheadd45 I'm not sure what you mean by "harmony" if you mean diatonic major/minor chords with chord progressions (IE: I ii iii IV V, etc.) then you are dealing with European theory. if you mean "harmony" as an idea of notes and where the y go, then yes, there is a "uber" model of music that is found everywhere, the pentatonic scale being an example.

[Shockheadd45]

Yeah I meant that second definition in the "Uber" universal sense.

[prinznevsky]

@Shockheadd45 seriously, if you want to learn othe msics, look up all the people on youtube that play oud, erhu, shamisen, koto, whatever. music is ultimately about you and your ears, but at the same time you must respect tradition and specific concepts.

[prinznevsky]

@Shockheadd45 If you take the Japanese In scale (which is what this video is playing, but the not order is incorrect) and show the tones:( 1, b2, 4 5, b6) you'll see that there is no major or minor 3rd, which renders it having no "harmony" in the western diatonic sense. thus the only "chords available are based on suspensions, or perfect 4ths and 5ths. the b6 implies a minor harmony, but you would have to "shift" the start note (like in this video) to the 4th, to create a -3 to make a chord

[GraysnE]

where did you learn this dude...you inspire me, you know what your talking about and i'm not being sarcastic.

[prinznevsky]

@Shockheadd45 actually, this "Japanese" scale in the video isn't related to the In, Yo, or Hirajoshi scales at all. He's just taking a Minor scale and embellishing it a little.

[shorty2689]

@Shockheadd45

there are probably many, but none that sound that way alone. I advise you take a japanese or chinese sounding scale, and pick notes from that scale to form a cord and then harmonize that chord all the way up the neck to create many chords that suit the scale. Using those chords write a backing track and you can then use the scale chosen to write a melody or to improvise over the backing.

[Shockheadd45]

@shorty2689 I actually tried, that and damn it is fucking cool.

I tried using the Spanish Gypsy scale, and picked out the notes of that scale (starting with the root (1st) note of the scale to the ending tonic (octave) and every note in between I made into one chord, that surprisingly sounds Spanish/Minor. I'm a HUGE AMATUER at Music Theory, but I do know some basics and in basic scale theory, but not all in depth shit, I need teaching on that.

[blutsklave]

@Shockheadd45

Try Pentatonic Major.

[ikkenmushou]

Some people plays a version of that scale which includes b6 instead of 6.

[CapitalAlchemy]

I know, but I don't care for that particular modulation. I like to experiment - I mean it is art after all.

[itsamystery94]

sounds very simaler to a blues scale..

[althawrapunk]

because it's a type of minor pentatonic scale, which is also favored in blues.

[ONIProductionsLtd]

Hmm, somehow haven't heard of this before, but sounds cool, thnx for posting!