Moroni 10:4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
You all don't understand the church on what we teach. Just go to a sacrament meeting on a sunday and listen to what the spirit teaches you. You need to read the book of mormon cover to cover to understand it. Don't deny that it's false if you haven't read it or you heard from other people that Joseph Smith is a fraud bogus read it and you will know.
If a Mormon is honest and sincere, he or she should be willing to admit that the Jesus Christ of the Bible and the Jesus Christ of Mormonism are different.
This is one of the reasons why Mormons have to insist that the Holy Bible became corrupt and that Joseph Smith restored true Christianity. But contrary to Smith and other leaders, the Bible declares of itself that it is PURE, not corrupt. This is the Holy Bible's claim for itself for centuries before the BoH was ever penned.
They are different, but only because the Bible was not translated correctly, as was the Book of Mormon.
It is the eighth Article of Faith:
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
Joseph Smith was told by God that it was not completely translated completely. So the parts describing Jesus Christ will be a bit different than how Joseph Smith describes him.
Why on earth would you believe that the Bible, which has lasted centuries, was not translated correctly, but the BoM, a recent development in human history, was? Lol, don't you think you should give it a little more time before arriving at that conclusion? Where do you get this concept from, aside from the fact that you were raised Mormon? What makes you think this? What documents can you produce that prove the Holy Bible needed to be "updated" by a guy named Joe in the 1800's?
You should check out a book called Our Search for Happiness written by M. Russell Ballard. It is a book meant for nonmembers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to simply help them understand not convert. It would answer your question why on earth would you believe that the Bible, which has lasted centuries, was not translated correctly, but the BoM, a recent development in human history, was? It would answer that question for you.
Thanks for the info, Lieb. I've been reading a lot of Bishop Spong lately; he's my new, uh.. "hero" I guess you could say, as far as studying spirituality, etc., is concerned. I'm now convinced God is more than anything we can truly understand, and that *ALL* books (the Bible, the BOM, etc.) were created by men with little if any "divine inspiration". All our rituals, etc., are pointless. It's about spirituality; God is everywhere and part of everything, not some external being.
Watch some of Bishop Spong's lectures on YT. The man clearly shows how absurd we've all been (and are). The Creator of the Universe is not a Methodist, Protestant, Catholic, Mormon, Buddhist, etc., etc... humans made all that stuff up. God does not "dwell" in some other realm, humans were not separated from God due to "the Fall", etc... please check him out, even a lot of atheists like the guy, he's not an extremist, and he knows what he's talking about.
Duh, that's exactly why. The BoM having only been translated ONCE has a correct translation. Then the bible which has been translated hundreds of times through different languages has a few incorrect translations.
The Jesus of the Bible and the Mormons is the same. It is the Jesus of the Mormons and protestants that is different. The Jesus of the protestants and the bible is different.
hmm.. well, the eternal Creator of the known Universe is clearly against more than one piercing; matter of fact, Hell is just overflowing with people who broke the "earring rule"... ;-)
MORMONS: Get a clue. Grow up.
Three words: Book of Abraham...... one example of why Mormonism is a false religion. Smith was a con-artist. He was not a prophet of God, nor are the current "prophets" of Mormonism.
(Hinckley fell for all of Hofmann's crap; that should tell you something..)
I KNOW that you only believe those things because you were raised a certain way and you are taught not to question authority or think for yourself. I KNOW that the Holy Ghost speaks to many non-Mormons and tells them you are sadly misguided, and I HOPE that someday you will grow up and grow out of the cult you have been sucked into.
Good luck. You don't understand now, but hopefully you will someday.
There is far too much B.S. related to Mormonism for anyone of sound mind to accept.
We had a lesson last Sunday about people like you. Satan is doing his best to keep good people from salvation and the only true church of Jesus Christ.
We are taught that Mormons are God's chosen people.
We are also taught that people who die rejecting the true Gospel as restored by the true prophet Joseph Smith, will stay in spirit prison until a generous mormon does a baptism and temple work in their name. Only when that person trapped in spirit prison accepts these works will they be saved
Sorry, but that was one of the most anti-Christian comments, overall, that I've read in a while.
If you think what you've just typed is in any way "Christian", you are more lost than I thought. What about people who called themselves Christian before Mormonism came along? Are you saying, for example, that the early Christians are in Hell now because they didn't have Joseph Smith to point them in the right direction? The Apostle Paul didn't know what Mormonism was. Is he in Hell?
All people before and after Christ must be baptized under the authority of the only true church, which is today called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
We are taught that during the millennium our church will be revealed as the only true church of Christ and temple work will abound for 1,000 years for all who died "non-mormon".
You think a "generous mormon" (a human being, in other words) has the power to "do temple work" and thereby save the soul of a dead human being? There is nothing about "spirit prison" in the entire history of Christianity until Mormonism came along, there are no "works" one human can do to save another human, etc., etc., again, everything you've said contradicts Christianity, clearly proving Mormonism is a non-Christian belief system.
do you see that you have put absolute limits on your claims? "there is nothing..." "there is no..." it is impossible to check every actual reference for or against an arguement. just an impartial idea for you to see, hopefully. aside, i wouldn't base a religion on any opinion other than my own. you won't convince any latter-day saint with the spirit of contention that possesses you. it is not a science to be proven wrong, but an genuine relationship with god to be proven true by its fruits.
DUde please! You claim that the HolyGhost never spoke to anyone until the 1800's??????
That's what your church teaches you?? People are right, you have no idea how insulting your religion is to Jesus Christ, the ONLY Savior of Humankind! You also have something called a "second annointing" i think, where higher up church officials are guaranteed their place in the "celestialKingdom", and you can perform rituals for dead people as well. You are totally anti-Christ dude, wow.
...which is equivalent to someone saying, "shut up you dare say that I'm a Scientologist how dare you"...
Doesn't carry much weight, sorry. People ridicule your belief system because it is so obviously flawed in so many ways. The entire history of your "church" has been studied in detail (because it hasn't been around that long, so it wasn't a problem to do that) and non-mormons realize you are following false doctrines. If you study objectively you will come to the same conclusion.
Moroni 10:4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
shibby2312 2 years ago
You all don't understand the church on what we teach. Just go to a sacrament meeting on a sunday and listen to what the spirit teaches you. You need to read the book of mormon cover to cover to understand it. Don't deny that it's false if you haven't read it or you heard from other people that Joseph Smith is a fraud bogus read it and you will know.
shibby2312 2 years ago
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MyhardPwner 3 years ago
If a Mormon is honest and sincere, he or she should be willing to admit that the Jesus Christ of the Bible and the Jesus Christ of Mormonism are different.
This is one of the reasons why Mormons have to insist that the Holy Bible became corrupt and that Joseph Smith restored true Christianity. But contrary to Smith and other leaders, the Bible declares of itself that it is PURE, not corrupt. This is the Holy Bible's claim for itself for centuries before the BoH was ever penned.
dbtickle8 3 years ago
They are different, but only because the Bible was not translated correctly, as was the Book of Mormon.
It is the eighth Article of Faith:
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
Joseph Smith was told by God that it was not completely translated completely. So the parts describing Jesus Christ will be a bit different than how Joseph Smith describes him.
Remember, Joseph Smith SAW Jesus himself!
mormons4truth 3 years ago
Why on earth would you believe that the Bible, which has lasted centuries, was not translated correctly, but the BoM, a recent development in human history, was? Lol, don't you think you should give it a little more time before arriving at that conclusion? Where do you get this concept from, aside from the fact that you were raised Mormon? What makes you think this? What documents can you produce that prove the Holy Bible needed to be "updated" by a guy named Joe in the 1800's?
Posterdamas 3 years ago
The Prophets and Apostles of the LDS church have stated this.
We are taught that they are men of God and that any have seen and spoken with God and Jesus.
We are also taught that anything they say in as a Prophet or Apostle of Jesus Christ is divine and can be trusted.
I know this is hard to understand. Join us and you will understand.
mormons4truth 3 years ago
You should check out a book called Our Search for Happiness written by M. Russell Ballard. It is a book meant for nonmembers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to simply help them understand not convert. It would answer your question why on earth would you believe that the Bible, which has lasted centuries, was not translated correctly, but the BoM, a recent development in human history, was? It would answer that question for you.
liebpiano 3 years ago
Thanks for the info, Lieb. I've been reading a lot of Bishop Spong lately; he's my new, uh.. "hero" I guess you could say, as far as studying spirituality, etc., is concerned. I'm now convinced God is more than anything we can truly understand, and that *ALL* books (the Bible, the BOM, etc.) were created by men with little if any "divine inspiration". All our rituals, etc., are pointless. It's about spirituality; God is everywhere and part of everything, not some external being.
Take care
Postradamus 3 years ago
Watch some of Bishop Spong's lectures on YT. The man clearly shows how absurd we've all been (and are). The Creator of the Universe is not a Methodist, Protestant, Catholic, Mormon, Buddhist, etc., etc... humans made all that stuff up. God does not "dwell" in some other realm, humans were not separated from God due to "the Fall", etc... please check him out, even a lot of atheists like the guy, he's not an extremist, and he knows what he's talking about.
Postradamus 3 years ago
Duh, that's exactly why. The BoM having only been translated ONCE has a correct translation. Then the bible which has been translated hundreds of times through different languages has a few incorrect translations.
mjarmstrong 3 years ago
The Jesus of the Bible and the Mormons is the same. It is the Jesus of the Mormons and protestants that is different. The Jesus of the protestants and the bible is different.
dellis1076 3 years ago
How does he feel about more than one ear piercing?
My GF wants to start wearing her second set of earrings again...
mormons4truth 4 years ago
hmm.. well, the eternal Creator of the known Universe is clearly against more than one piercing; matter of fact, Hell is just overflowing with people who broke the "earring rule"... ;-)
MORMONS: Get a clue. Grow up.
Three words: Book of Abraham...... one example of why Mormonism is a false religion. Smith was a con-artist. He was not a prophet of God, nor are the current "prophets" of Mormonism.
(Hinckley fell for all of Hofmann's crap; that should tell you something..)
Postradamus 3 years ago
I KNOW that the Book Of Abraham is true.
I KNOW that President Monson is a TRUE Prophet of God.
I know these things because the Holy Ghost told me so.
The Holy Ghost only speaks to people of God's one true church: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Mormons!
mormons4truth 3 years ago
I KNOW that you only believe those things because you were raised a certain way and you are taught not to question authority or think for yourself. I KNOW that the Holy Ghost speaks to many non-Mormons and tells them you are sadly misguided, and I HOPE that someday you will grow up and grow out of the cult you have been sucked into.
Good luck. You don't understand now, but hopefully you will someday.
There is far too much B.S. related to Mormonism for anyone of sound mind to accept.
Posterdamas 3 years ago
We had a lesson last Sunday about people like you. Satan is doing his best to keep good people from salvation and the only true church of Jesus Christ.
We are taught that Mormons are God's chosen people.
We are also taught that people who die rejecting the true Gospel as restored by the true prophet Joseph Smith, will stay in spirit prison until a generous mormon does a baptism and temple work in their name. Only when that person trapped in spirit prison accepts these works will they be saved
mormons4truth 3 years ago
Sorry, but that was one of the most anti-Christian comments, overall, that I've read in a while.
If you think what you've just typed is in any way "Christian", you are more lost than I thought. What about people who called themselves Christian before Mormonism came along? Are you saying, for example, that the early Christians are in Hell now because they didn't have Joseph Smith to point them in the right direction? The Apostle Paul didn't know what Mormonism was. Is he in Hell?
Postradamus 3 years ago
Yes.
All people before and after Christ must be baptized under the authority of the only true church, which is today called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
We are taught that during the millennium our church will be revealed as the only true church of Christ and temple work will abound for 1,000 years for all who died "non-mormon".
mormons4truth 3 years ago
Do you really understand what you've said here?
You think a "generous mormon" (a human being, in other words) has the power to "do temple work" and thereby save the soul of a dead human being? There is nothing about "spirit prison" in the entire history of Christianity until Mormonism came along, there are no "works" one human can do to save another human, etc., etc., again, everything you've said contradicts Christianity, clearly proving Mormonism is a non-Christian belief system.
Postradamus 3 years ago
do you see that you have put absolute limits on your claims? "there is nothing..." "there is no..." it is impossible to check every actual reference for or against an arguement. just an impartial idea for you to see, hopefully. aside, i wouldn't base a religion on any opinion other than my own. you won't convince any latter-day saint with the spirit of contention that possesses you. it is not a science to be proven wrong, but an genuine relationship with god to be proven true by its fruits.
1radstallion 3 years ago
DUde please! You claim that the HolyGhost never spoke to anyone until the 1800's??????
That's what your church teaches you?? People are right, you have no idea how insulting your religion is to Jesus Christ, the ONLY Savior of Humankind! You also have something called a "second annointing" i think, where higher up church officials are guaranteed their place in the "celestialKingdom", and you can perform rituals for dead people as well. You are totally anti-Christ dude, wow.
dbtickle8 3 years ago
President Monson just perpetuates the whole lie that the church is all about.
frogeyedtoad 4 years ago
President Monson is a STUD!
smckee112 4 years ago
Was he promoted to the President? Thru that promotion one of the members can be the President? How? Kind of election or vote?
Who can vote and how can the candidat is chosen?
strongpride73 4 years ago
do you really want to know?
1radstallion 3 years ago
and what the heck would president monson be doing on youtube? gee your so stupid
kaisermofofreeman 4 years ago
spelled prophet wrong you fucking moron
kaisermofofreeman 4 years ago
Shut up you dare say that. I'm a mormon how dare you.
Fansailormoon 4 years ago
...which is equivalent to someone saying, "shut up you dare say that I'm a Scientologist how dare you"...
Doesn't carry much weight, sorry. People ridicule your belief system because it is so obviously flawed in so many ways. The entire history of your "church" has been studied in detail (because it hasn't been around that long, so it wasn't a problem to do that) and non-mormons realize you are following false doctrines. If you study objectively you will come to the same conclusion.
Posterdamas 3 years ago
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I, Brother Monson, am humbled by the opportunity to be thy profit. Bow down and worship me, even Elohim.
TommyMonson 4 years ago