"J" had to be a practicing Jew to envision Xtian ways. But Ortho Jews have no need of J as he brings nothing to the table and does'nt make sense in Judaism at all. Only ignorant jews will listen to J stuff. Also, there is no Geneaology in the NT, so we don't know really know who the people in are or their origins. As per Encyclo Brittanica, "J" any writings of the NT and J were recorded 200 years after his demise. Do u reember what happened 20 years ago? 100? I THINK NOT.
An interesting thing I heard about fallen angels was that they were not tempted but we were, and that is why we can be saved but they can't. It seems as though they can't because they won't but we can by declaring Yeshua to be our Lord and believing God resurrected Him.
I heard something like that too, because they were already in G-d's presence and rejected it, they can't go back, but because we weren't, we can. How foolish those angels were.
I'll say! It seems that it must have happened more than once because we know that the serpent that tempted Eve was the devil and some time after we are told how the sons of G-d left heaven to pursue women and their children were the giants we refer to as the Nephilim. But like you say, they were in G-d's presence and rejected it; they knew enough of the things of G-d to know what it was they were rejecting. Adam and Eve (and mankind) apparently were (and are) redeemable.
I've always wondered what "making Himself lower than the angels" meant and kind of wonder if that doesn't refer to the time between His death and resurrection. He could have had legions of angels deliver Him from crucifixion if He wanted, and He's currently at the right hand of the Father, which only leaves that period in between left.
I admire the thoroughness of the Jewish perspective but my revelation of Yeshua came from a personal experience. To me it's as though He doesn't really care what unbelieving scholars think of him; He came, he fulfilled his calling and now reigns at the right hand of the Father. Just because unbelieving scholars can't keep up to Him doesn't seem to have held Him back in any way.
The Catholic Church - who collated and redacted the "New Testament" - finally admits that: (1) the genealogies of Jesus were fictionalized, (2) none of the Gospel authors witnessed the alleged post-resurrection of Jesus, (3) the idea of the virginal birth of Jesus, was based on various pagan mythologies. [See reference below]
@tngoatee the prophet spoke accurately of you "having eyes they cannot see and ears they cannot hear" what you use as "Proof" is from Talmudic literature who's authors were no doubt well read , however it would be a stretch to say they were directed by HaShem to pen those "commentaries" . After all they, even as the Vatican teach, that their (laws) ie..... edicts supersede that of our Creator! Hypocrites an Vipers would be fitting titles for such !
To see if your Xtn theories - concerning your mythological [pagan] Xtn man/god "Jesus" (YM"SH) - will hold up to scholarly Torah criticism, please visit the following websites:
Why do you wear koporim? Are you both subject to the Takenot of the Rabbonim? Or do you only wear them for the readings from the Torah? I dont understand, please explaine?
"J" had to be a practicing Jew to envision Xtian ways. But Ortho Jews have no need of J as he brings nothing to the table and does'nt make sense in Judaism at all. Only ignorant jews will listen to J stuff. Also, there is no Geneaology in the NT, so we don't know really know who the people in are or their origins. As per Encyclo Brittanica, "J" any writings of the NT and J were recorded 200 years after his demise. Do u reember what happened 20 years ago? 100? I THINK NOT.
onthemoney90 9 months ago
How are Gentiles saying they are no a jew nor a Christian, yet are Messianic?You would think one had to originally be born a Jew.
VickyGoss 1 year ago
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ErnestoPonce123 1 year ago
In other words Jesus was made a man. Angelic being are higher for they are invisible spirits.
Mr007jessejames 2 years ago
An interesting thing I heard about fallen angels was that they were not tempted but we were, and that is why we can be saved but they can't. It seems as though they can't because they won't but we can by declaring Yeshua to be our Lord and believing God resurrected Him.
MurrayMD 3 years ago
I heard something like that too, because they were already in G-d's presence and rejected it, they can't go back, but because we weren't, we can. How foolish those angels were.
trinket01 3 years ago
I'll say! It seems that it must have happened more than once because we know that the serpent that tempted Eve was the devil and some time after we are told how the sons of G-d left heaven to pursue women and their children were the giants we refer to as the Nephilim. But like you say, they were in G-d's presence and rejected it; they knew enough of the things of G-d to know what it was they were rejecting. Adam and Eve (and mankind) apparently were (and are) redeemable.
MurrayMD 3 years ago
I've always wondered what "making Himself lower than the angels" meant and kind of wonder if that doesn't refer to the time between His death and resurrection. He could have had legions of angels deliver Him from crucifixion if He wanted, and He's currently at the right hand of the Father, which only leaves that period in between left.
MurrayMD 3 years ago
I admire the thoroughness of the Jewish perspective but my revelation of Yeshua came from a personal experience. To me it's as though He doesn't really care what unbelieving scholars think of him; He came, he fulfilled his calling and now reigns at the right hand of the Father. Just because unbelieving scholars can't keep up to Him doesn't seem to have held Him back in any way.
MurrayMD 3 years ago
The Catholic Church - who collated and redacted the "New Testament" - finally admits that: (1) the genealogies of Jesus were fictionalized, (2) none of the Gospel authors witnessed the alleged post-resurrection of Jesus, (3) the idea of the virginal birth of Jesus, was based on various pagan mythologies. [See reference below]
simpletoremember (dot) com/vitals/Christian_Credibility (dot) htm#10
tngoatee 3 years ago
@tngoatee the prophet spoke accurately of you "having eyes they cannot see and ears they cannot hear" what you use as "Proof" is from Talmudic literature who's authors were no doubt well read , however it would be a stretch to say they were directed by HaShem to pen those "commentaries" . After all they, even as the Vatican teach, that their (laws) ie..... edicts supersede that of our Creator! Hypocrites an Vipers would be fitting titles for such !
gkrudd 1 year ago
To see if your Xtn theories - concerning your mythological [pagan] Xtn man/god "Jesus" (YM"SH) - will hold up to scholarly Torah criticism, please visit the following websites:
- jewsforjudaism (dot) org
- netzarim (dot) co (dot) il
tngoatee 3 years ago
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PSALMS 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
somasight 4 years ago
As Jews we wear kippot in our reading and disussing Torah. What to you mean by subject?
ravrudy 4 years ago
Why do you wear koporim? Are you both subject to the Takenot of the Rabbonim? Or do you only wear them for the readings from the Torah? I dont understand, please explaine?
aaronkraicshtein 4 years ago