@freewilllover Because the welfare of the child is totally abandoned once it's born. The fact that if it's a WOMAN's body, then it is the WOMAN's SOLE right to decide what she wants to do with it. It would be psycho to think ANY different.
@VhUgGz The child isn`t her body although she may decide over her own body this doesn`t mean she can dcide over the lives of others, every human being has the right to live and it is only in her body cause she put it there, also we don`t abonden it we have adoptive and foster parents!!!!!!!!!
@freewilllover The child is HER child and not the crazy politician's who is trying to pass a law that takes her constitutional rights away. It DOES give her the right to decide over the life of others. Not every human has the right to live. Look at what has happened throughout history. There are EXPONENTIALLY more babies born to mothers who can't take care of them than there are idealic, loving couples who want to adopt. Don't be stupid. This is how Christianity has made the Western World stupid
@VhUgGz No parents may not decide over their lives of children, and what do you mean not al humans beings have the right to live, why not?????? All inocent human beings have the right to live why would a fetus not have thart right it did nothing, being unwanted doesn`t mean you don`t deserve to live!!!!!!
@freewilllover No. Very few human beings have rights, even in first world countries. In an ideal world, they would. But they DON'T! And no, just because you're unwanted doesn't give you the right to live. You're so ignorant. Also, where are you from? It's obvious English isn't your first language.
@VhUgGz Rights are based on moraliuty, so it is oke to kill humans, so can I kill rape and torture you and your mom????? was the holocaust oke?? am I ignorant believing in human rights???
If you are pro-choice, then by principle, you are bound to support someone's right to own slaves. The South made the same argument in the Civil War -- each state should have the right to choose slavery, and nobody should "impose" their own ethics on them. When you say "Mind your own uterus," you're making the exact same argument. It's that pro-choice mentality that tolerates injustice which allowed slavery to be perpetuated for 300 years. We have got to take a stand for justice.
Pro-Choice. Anti-Choice people simply want to make ethical decisions for others as well as for themselves.
If others were forcing Anti-Choice people to give up their own ability to make ethical choices, they could clearly see the injustice in forced birth laws.
@ndrthrdr1 "anti-choice" haha your tactics to make it sound so demeaning. we prefer "pro-life." and this is one of the worst arguments for your side. we are not forcing our beliefs. we are trying to convince you to see it as we do. if i know for a fact that murder is wrong, or if i truly believed it (think it through, i know its difficult for some) then why in the HELL would i not try to put an end to it? Murder is an ethical choice. so if i believe it is wrong, you can bet that i am going to
That bad, eh? Abortion is murder? How come y'all dont apply murder standards.
When people murder actual people, they arent "talked to" or "reasoned with" or "hope to persuade" -- their ass is thrown in jail or even the electric chair!
You dont believe abortion is murder, do you. Not really truly deeply.
@Hexl702 Back in the day when society accepted slavery, do you think that they were "talked to" or "reasoned with" or thrown in jail if the slaves were treated poorly or were killed for resisting their masters? Of course they would not have because slaves were not thought to have rights, and some said they were not even human. Abortion is just a repetition of this history in another form. We need another Martin Luther King Jr. to make society realize this is murder and unethical.
"No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg."
@TheToxicGasMask She just has to give birth not wantig that is just not wanting to be inconvinienced, and even if your need is desperate murder is not oke!!!!
@columbiangammer1213 Having a child for some people could ruin their lives and futures, even if put up for adoption. If the time is not right, then no women should be forced to bare a child, it isn't a person until it is born. It can not vote, and is not viable.
@reviewreviewer1 Or people could not be so ignorant and take the rights of a women away, because they themselves don't agree with it, or it makes them uncomfortable.
@chickydum LOVE this video! Its amazing and realy gets the message out! Wish i had made it lol Ima link this to some other abortion vids and maybe they will change their mind.
Can't I be both? I'm pro-life, but not just for the fetus. That would be pro-fetus. I'm pro-life for the mom too. I'm pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. I'm probably most likely never gonna have an abortion, but I won't attack people who do get abortions.
Hell yes, me too. It may go beyond this, but the government having control over a woman's body is disgusting. I don't care how you put it, a woman has the right to protect her body, at all costs. PRO choice all the way.
@fmnma1 It isn`t controlling the womens body but protecting the chid inside it, yes the women has the right to protect her body but doesn`t the fetus have a right to live????? How does her freedom override the fetuses rights?????? Isn`t the right to live as important as to chose?????
The fetus, isn't going to remember a damn thing, do you remember, or have memories when you were a fetus? There are many people out there who would have rather 'not' been in this world, trust me. Do you really care about a fetus? Why not all those kids dying in Africa? I can guarantee a child died today, and I bet you didn't give that one thought today, did you. A child dies, everyday, somewhere. But, you never give it a thought... hypocritical? hmmm
You are all such hypocrites. None of you want a child, but because @bettythorny is a person who knows that if she has this child it will not have a good life, that she is an awful person, you all disgust me. I have had many poor teenage friends tell me that they wish their parents have aborted them and that they were selfish for keeping them. Talk to those kids suffering, than tell me a women strong enough to know having a kid is wrong for her and the child should not have that right. You Pigs.
@TheToxicGasMask Thats why she should've given the kid up for adoption and not all kids turn out like that. There is still a huge chance that kid could have a regular life.
@TheToxicGasMask:: Considering the FACT: Each and every legal surgical abortion in America today stops a beating heart. I should 'talk to those kids suffering'? How about considering the millions of innocents torn from their mother's bodies and thrown into surgical waste cans. In this issue of LIFE or DEATH the only 'choice' is what platform do you stand upon? Are you 'pro' or in favor of protecting LIFE or 'pro' or in favor of a woman's killing rights? What's your choice, Pro Life or Pro Death?
@TheToxicGasMask So the solution is to kill the child? She isn't a bad person if she doesn't want the child, but she is making a bad choice by killing the child. There are other options, adoption. There are many couples out there who are unable to conceive a child and want to adopt. And it is impossible to know if a child will have a horrible life or not. Life is unpredictable, you never know what will happen.
Heres a fact, if we're gonna be pro-LIFE. be pro-LIFE, meaning, if you're concerned about LIFE, that means you must have a true passion for all walks of LIFE.
Whether it is human or feral, or perhaps, even insect.
I'm a pro choice person and I don't even kill spiders.
@Technikian Pro life just means you value human life. Its doesnt mean the life of insects. Just because it has the word life in it doesnt mean that it means insect life. Thats like saying if your pro CHOICE then why dont you let the baby in the womb have a CHOICE
Because I value all life as it feels pain, as it is conscious, as it can Think, as it can make decisions and have rational thought.
An unborn fetus has the same actions on the female body as a parasite, like a tapeworm. If we're going to be talking about human life, lets point out how, technically, a fetus is not yet its own singular being, therefore not human, but part of a human who can CHOOSE to remove it.
@Technikian it has human life and it will become a grown man or women someday.... and how does anybody really know if a baby can feel it or not? But obvouisly Im not going to change your opinion so I'll just agree to disagree with you because there is no point in arguing if neither of us will ever change our minds.
@Technikian: Interesting how this 'parasite' as you call it would be: The most PRECIOUS thing ON EARTH to a woman who wants a child and fit for surgical removal and disposal if it is not? Rationalize and justify as you may, it doesn't change the fact that: Each and every legal surgical abortion in America today stops a beating heart. DNA@Conception=LIFE
@Technikian Fetus means "offspring". Whats an offspring? A child. If a fetus inside a woman's womb isn't human, then what species is it? And much of your defense is false. During development, the CHILD in the woman's womb is soon able to think, hear, see, and even dream. Studies have been done to see if the child is able to do so in the womb and they were able to prove that they, the human child, are capable of doing so.
@TheRealMidori not all pro-lifers are God-bothering religious. you should google feminists for life. They were the ORIGINAL feminists...it was what real feminists were about before the abortion industry hijacked the feminist movement to legitimise their business. They were ANTI abortion.
no offence to anyone but the debate between pro-life and pro-choice should only be between women. no man is ever going to have to go through pregnency or child birth.they cant expect women to do this when they have no idea what their going to have to go through
I'm mainly Pro-Life, but there are certain circumstances where abortion should be seen as optional. For me, those circumstances are; the pregnancy is threatening the life of the mother and child (And I'll admit, this would need to reach a certain severity for me to be completely open towards it), and if the unborn baby is suffering from a serious condition that gravely lowers its chances of survival in and/or outside the womb. Basically, if the baby isn't viable I would have to accept abortion..
@AmongTheDispersed ...as a solution. And when I say 'viable', I specifically mean if the unborn child has very low or no chances of living. Conditions being anencephaly for a hypothetical example.
@AmongTheDispersed fetuses aren't babies and they aren't viable. Fetuses are basically parasites in pregnant women. They live only if the woman is living. It is human potential. I do not consider a fetus/baby viable until it is stable, living and breathing outside of the womb on its own. That is when the baby has some viability.
@futurejockey8 you didn't pass science at school, did you? may i suggest you brush-up on some definitions: parasite (as opposed to gestational dependency). human. viability. ffs if you're going to be pro-abortion you got to at least sound like you know something. right now, you're just coming across as being really dumb. a human is a species. a human is a human before and after birth and they are a human whilst living as well as after death. what other freakin species would it be? duh.
""Innocent human life should never be taken "" -- Nice sentiment. Really poetic,
belongs on a Hallmark card.
But in the real world, a statement like that lasts all of 10 seconds before people start making exceptions to it. Even pro-lickers, when they say theyre for rape/incest/ health of woman exceptions.
They wont do just ANYTHING to save a fetus -- Theyre certainly not barging into the clinics and snatching the women off the table, bodily physically trying to stop em,
etc. They have their points and their limits, and I understand that.
What I would like to hear from em is -- What are some of the things they WOULD do ? For 38 years, theyve just mostly run their big mouths, and in the wake
i am pro life because god put us on this earth to LIVE and REPRODUCE not to kill,if you were raped,put it up for adoption,if you got pregnant unexpectantly put it up for ADOPTION!condoms,birth control,abortion,euthinasia,& death penalty-all just as bad as the holocaust except this time it's americans killing americans!?!?!?!?!?!?!?you guys are so worried about "womens health" and "breast cancer" and are soldiers fighting that without life there would be no worrying about this at all
I'm prolife! I will never murder a baby, and it's wrong. That is a child, and should have choices. I just wished that all the mothers would realize that. Just because abortion is legal, doesn't mean it's right! Women, stop being so selfish! Give this child a life!
@Thatsamistery About half those babies are female that you are giving a choice to. Only to dehumanize them later when they get pregnant by taking away their medical choices & treating them like a mindless incubating machine. If they didn't get pregnant then the baby wouldn't have a life either now would it. Think about it.
ces of pro-life women.. That's pretty sad if you ask me a man will never understand the full implications of carrying a child to birth because he can't, only YOU can. Women deserve the full say in this issue hands down. With all love and light
Pro-choice here if you lack the brain capacity required to differentiate between a real human i.e the woman and a potential life the fetus/embryo then you not only insult your own intelligence but are a disgrace to our species. Women who are pro-life ask yourself the following question (why are 77 percent of anti-abortion leaders men?) apparently not only do some men feel like they can have the right to violate your body by not legally enabling your actions but they also want to outweigh the voi
@Ichliebemusikundybd Only someone lacking in brain capacity would say that a human fet/emb is not a 'real human' or 'living' (how else it is growing). No scientist denies that humans breed humans. The fet/emb you are referring to relates to a stage of growth NOT A SPECIES. If a human woman is pregnant, she is pregnant with a human, not a donkey. BTW the 77% claim is a bumper sticker one; not known for being reputable tools for research. Talk about a disgrace...pro-choicers would be embarrassed.
I'm having an abortion this weekend! Good news, though: if anybody here volunteers to adopt the child I would otherwise abort, I'll go through with the pregnancy! So, "pro-lifers", anybody care to put your money where your mouth is? Anybody? Abortion in two days if nobody speaks up. And then all you "pro-lifers" who read this will have been accessories to murder in God's eyes.
@bettythorny is it burning in your concience yet? a bad thing about abortion is it can cause you to loose fertility but for people like you its best since no more innocent lives can be taken for your mistakes...if you didnt want a baby you should have protected yourself
@cindyaritza You are so dumb. The only way you can be 100% sure you won't get pregnant is abstinence. Humans have sex. Even with birth control and condoms, people can still get pregnant. Don't be so ignorant. Sometimes people do all the right things, and things still go wrong. It's not their fault and they shouldn't be punished, and neither should an unwanted child. Pro-choice, all the way.
@keilareadman Well you have the choice to have sex. Everyone knows that sex is how babies are born. So everyone knows that if you have sex your risking having a baby. I knew since I was about 4 years old that babies come from to people loving each other and being together. Its pretty easy to understand. A baby is not a punishment. Its just a baby. And its alive. Its not the babies fault that their mother chose to have sex without wanting it. So really your punishing an innocent baby.
@ShaniaBieber30 Pregnancies can happen without having sex. It's happened before, it can happen to anyone. So, if someone was holding off on sex because they don't want to get pregnant, and they still get pregnant in some obscure way, I don't think they should get punished. It is a punishment if it's not wanted. A woman's body is punished, and her life can be punished. A fetus is innocent. So are cows, and pigs, and chickens. What's your point there?
@keilareadman Cows and pigs and chickens are human beings. Also for the very few cases when a woman is pregnant without having sex, its not the babies fault. I agree with this vid that people do forget there is an alive human being in there. It should have the right to life. People need to think of the baby first. And not all times does the kid end out depressed. Alot of the time they turn out successful
@ShaniaBieber30 I can tell by that last comment that you're either not very intelligent, or you don't read things over at all before you post them. I don't think a fetus should get priority in any situation. It hasn't done anything to deserve priority. In my opinion, killing a dog is worse than getting an abortion. I bet a lot of people agree with me there. A dog is born already, probably has someone who loves it and will be missed. An aborted fetus will not be missed because it's not wanted
If something is ALIVE then it has the same amount of worth as a human.
Human beings in the eyes of nature are worthless if they cannot survive, We're talking about the laws of nature, Not your personal morale, because your personal morale does not govern the fertility strain of a human.
Humans are considerably, like rats, dominating and overrunning the world, so pretty much, as people die, they make as much of a difference on the world as a dead rat does.
@Technikian Humans are not like rats at all. Js. And its not anything that alive, its anything with human life. In my personnel opinion I believe the baby in the womb is alive. Its like the video says, when do you consider a baby alive? Well I think a baby is alive the moment of conception.
@Technikian I do think about them. I want to help them too. There are lots of organisations helping them right now. Their already getting help. The unborn babies are not getting help. So Im trying to help them. I would try to help those kids just as much as Im trying to help the unborn babies. I just didnt think they were that relivent to an abortion video.
@bettythorny No matter what you could have found a home for that baby. Theres tons of people looking for babies because they can not concieve or they are gay. If you had tried harder then just putting it on youtube then that child could have gotten to exsperience the wonderful girt of life. But YOU killed that chance because you did not have the baby and you did not try very hard to find it a home.
@bettythorny I wish I had saw this message earlier. I might only be in the 10th grade but I would search very hard for a good home for it and i know somebody in my family or one of my parents friends (probably my aunt that cannot concieve or my family friend that wants kids but cant find a good husband) would have taken it.
i never had an abortion...... althought i had THE CHOICE.... i have two wonderfull little boys..... they were actually WANTED and so they are loved!! if someone would abuse me..... i would TAKE THAT CHOICE.... for the best interest of that unwanted child and my own health!! there is SO MANY ways to prevent unwanted pregnacy that it shouldn't happen ((((by accident))))) i am against abortion in a normal range of thinking but sometimes, life don't give you the chance to be carefull!!
yeah...pro life until they're 18 and can be sent to war... pro life until he / she is on death row.....pro life until we eat chickens, cows, pigs, fish ect....pro life ????? ...i don't think so ..........no human is pro life ....no human is pro anything
@Razlo I'll call prolife for what they are;Pro- limited freedom, Pro limited personal choice, Pro oppression, and pro pushing your own subjective values on others.
I doubt if you are a women & were raped by a relative and got impregnated....you'd consider raising the kid.
& I like this video..cute baby pictures & sad song, not a biased persuasive tactic at all lol.
Damn you pro choice are so mentally limited, not every situation is the same. Learn some perpective
Oh WE are the ones limiting freedoms, personal choices, & imposing our values on others?!
What about the baby & the father's freedoms, choices & values? You're the ones imposing your twisted, evil & irresponsible values & oppressing others. Not us. Not by a damn long shot.
Even if I was a woman pregnant by rape (which is EXTREMELY RARE FYI) KILLING A BABY still wouldn't be the solution to that or anything! Obviously!
You pro-BABY KILLERS are the real mental midgets lacking perspective.
If you are a parent, you have an OBLIGATION to be responsible and to be there to provide everything that child needs. This is true for men and women.
However, so long as women have the right to KILL THAT CHILD and avoid their responsibilities, then men should be allowed to bail on fatherhood. I don't encourage this, but I hold NO ILL WILL to those that do.
If you have a problem with that, then join the MRM and help eradicate the KILLING of BABIES (aka abortion) FOREVER!
Pro-Choice! It's my body, and NO ONE ELSE..man or woman should tell me what to do with it! I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THIS VIDEO WAS GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT VIDEOS, BUT IT'S JUST ANOTHER PRO LIFE CHRISTIAN VIDEO. AWESOME
@chickydum So then explain why is choose pro-life then? I would love to know, and I don't see how I'm a dumbass at all. I could bet my life on it your normal answer would consist of something to do with God.
@X0X0KE814 how about the simple fact that when you choose to be a dumbass and not fully protect yourself from pregnancy and you bring a child into the world why should the child pay for your carelessness and die. At 28 days after conception they have a heart beat and mostly you do not know you are pregnant up until this time. Abortion gives those who are careless a way out from accepting their responsibilities. Fact is 95% of abortions are for social reasons.....
@chickydum accidents happen, period. why lash out at people making responsible choices regarding their own lives? many people who are irresponsible "careless dumbasses" do have babies, though not suitable as parents. how are these individuals better than the ones who give thought to the situation and realize that realistically they're not able to take on that huge responsibility???
Yep. 97% of abortions are performed for the same reasons women take birth control pills (not financially stable, bad time in career, have enough kids already, too young, troubled relationship, etc.), based on the stats I've seen.
Only about 2% are health related and less than 0.5% are rape pregnancies.
@chickydum The more rights you give to an embryo or fetus the less rights the woman has to medical decision making. It is a slippery slope. You have a choice. Either dehumanize the embryo or dehumanize the mother. In Utaha, a mother was arrested because one of her twins was born stillborn. She chose not to have a C-section 2 wks before so they charged her for murder assuming that her medical decision making caused the baby to be stillborn. Is that the kind of society you want to live in?
Good then! Why on Earth do you support the idea that someone who doesnt want responisbility should have to take on the massive task of taking care of another human being when they dont want to? To teach them a lesson? Really? You're gonna force children to grow up with unwilling and unfit parents just to prove how careless the parent is? Thats fucking sick. Its very obvious you dont care about the actual child at all
Uhh the child dosent mind. It could happen for reasons other than carelessness. {"At 28 days after conception they have a heart beat and mostly you do not know you are pregnant up until this time."} Based off of what? And why does it matter anyways....... {" Fact is 95% of abortions are for social reasons....."} Can we get some sources for this too?
Alright nitwit, lets see you answer these 3 non religious arguments against abortion.
1) IT IS THE KILLING OF A BABY!
2) Both Gender's reproductive rights are not protected.
3) It promotes promiscuity, irresponsibility, and immaturity.
Reason 1 is reason enough, and I am ashamed to live in a time where this isn't common sense, but lets see you defend this lunacy we call abortion to those 3 non religious based arguments!
@Razlo5000. im pro-life but i say if we have pro-doctrine in america lets extended it to men and give them choice as well. that equality, that what this is all about. i mean abortion is praise but a deadbeat is locked up, is that hypocritical or what. if abortions are gonna happen anyway, give men the rights to choose to be father like we do women and then we will see how quickly things change and problem 3 would at least be fixed as women would know they couldnt force fatherhood on men.
I completely agree with everything you said there, but I believe there should be a separation of church and state. This is why I never argue from a religious perspective. If everybody had God as a moral compass as we do there would be no problem, but we cannot assume our religious convictions on others. Thankfully we don't need to. There are plenty of very solid rational and logical arguments on our side to work with. If we start arguing with them, we'll win. Its that simple.
@Razlo5000. i believe there should be seperation from church and state but we dont have that. the church is secularism and so is the state. we should not treat christians like atheist, etc. there are differences that must be respected. christianity say man is head of household, so why do we have so many misandric secular laws oppressing christians. if secular people want that then let their courts do that to them but christians or any other religion shouldnt have to be oppressed like that.
The vast majority of American citizens are christians which is why American laws & icons sometimes include religious references such as "in god we trust". If more than 2% of the world's population was atheist, things might be different, but that isn't the case. if that 2% has a problem with that, they can move. I say to them; go see how open & tolerant the muslims are of your atheism & political correctness. LOL.
That 2% makes the most noise, but they crumble against logic & reason.
@Razlo5000. christianity is dying in america or it being highly secualrized to the point where most pro-choice people in america call themselves christians & and most misandric laws are supported by many christians. because the state is secular it can impose it will on the people. this is y i find it silly to see when christian are against muslim people when both truly have more in common and are clearly being divided and conquered by secular states that dont promote religious freedom.
Christianity dying?! HA! Christianity will never die.
Misandric laws might be supported by many on the right (who are often christian) but these laws are crafted by the left. All femifascists are leftists. If you oppose statism, the left is your enemy. Ask a leftist what more needs to be done with government involvement and they will say more government is needed.
Christians & muslims are very different. For example, muslims call for the killing of non-muslims and former believers.
Its got to be a muslim country. In christian countries militant atheists are allowed to ridicule & insult religious people because they are free to say whatever they want & its assumed Christians won't or cant defend themselves. Here these cowards are tigers because they know they can just get away with it.
In Muslim countries however, they would likely get killed for sticking their fat noses in other people's business & ridiculing their beliefs. They would find humility quickly or die.
If someone put a gun to your head and shot you, that's a choice. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, spent time in pre-WW II Germany as a disciple of Hitler's "eugenics" program.
Hitler's genocide program called murder "cleansing."
Sanger's genocide program calls it "choice." Same thing. Different holocausts.
Socialists are adept at using code-words to mask their horrors upon humanity.
@SemperFidelisDOD haha it's ok i just hate people making assumptions that it is all christians who do pro-life work. hows about people who care about everyone having the right to life and this is what this is about. considering 95% of abortions are due to social reasons then damn right i have something to say about it. People need to accept responsibility and stop taking the easy way out :)
hello it should be a womens choice wether or not to have an abortion! what if a women develops an ilness like mirror syndrome that could kill the fetus or the mother?
@chickydum Who are you to tell someone what to do? Did you know that over 50% of embryos fail to embed in the uterus and expells from the body naturally? Did you know that every month I have an egg expell from my body, a potential human, who will never live? You tell people to take responsibility, if they have an abortion the embryo won't have a life, if they don't get pregnant, there won't be an embryo in the first place. The result is the same. No life.
@chickydum The problem is this is not a black / white issue... why do you and everyone seem to treat it as such? Pro life, pro choice; generally speaking it's irrational to choose one. My point is there needs to be a debate about when it's appropriate for either, not which one is somehow always appropriate. Regardless of what you think, there are certainly many cases in which pro-choice is appropriate, and those where pro-life are.
@Visions4Peace There's a sub-issue here though, how do we know which cases meet their criteria for whether abortion is appropriate? For example, say a criteria for legitimate abortion is the girl's partner didn't pull-out without her permission. Incase you disagree: do you think the girl should take responsibility for her partner's mistake? Problem is that the girl could lie for her own convenience of not having to keep the baby. Solution? Every city should set their own criteria..
@Visions4Peace Why? Shouldn't everyone follow the most moral choice in the matter? Guess what, there is none. Moral is a matter of opinion and the various potencies of certain characteristics of peoples' personalities; like empathy, sympathy and compassion. Some people are more empathetic than others, some are more empathetic towards people's freedom, some towards the life of un-born babies. If cities chose, the majority of people in each city would be happy with the outcome.
@Visions4Peace The biggest difference between majority within cities versus the entire country is that when it's a national issue it becomes a political issue, a often a very heated debate. The simplest way to overcome this essentially irresolvable matter, it to let small government bodies decide via a referendum.
Face it, if you want most people to see your perspective on the matter, you'd have to literally alter the fixed personalities of the masses... this is an issue of emotion, not logic.
@SemperFidelisDOD "accepting responsibility for what she does"...umm what about people who were raped by their families, strangers ect? I guess she should be responsible for being a victim and live with it for the rest of her life.
Pro life debaters argue on their limited mindset with the belief that all situation is the same, without accounting individual circumstances.
Most meaningles deaths occur in wars, but I'm sure none of you pro choice choose that route for debate due to ur low IQ
@utube793 You know nothing of me so you have no right to say that I have a "low IQ". Another thing, I'm clearly Pro Life, not Pro Choice. It would help if you knew who you were arguing with. I don't expect you too though due to you're "Low IQ".
Assuming that it was a typo, I would like to point out that this is a never ending argument which I'm not going to argue with you because neither of us will win or lose. I'm not going to get into it with you about War. We are both entitled to opinions
@X0X0KE814 Yes it's your body... But you don't have the right to decide whether the body inside you should live or not. You have a choice, don't have sex.
@LadyDoloris you're speaking out against nature. people have sex, like any animal. other animals eat the young they don't want; we, being a bit more advanced in some areas, can prevent the birth from happening. why shouldn't a woman have the choice what to do with her body? the thing growing in there is hers, a part of her, which means the decision should be hers alone. who is anybody to tell her what she should do with the rest of her life??? whether to be a mother or not?
So your saying that a infant is just a mothers property and has no right to live just because the mother decides they don't want to take care of their responsibility? So every mother of a child should just have the right to shoot their children that they don't want?
@escobar60099 uhhh, no, i didn't say that. i said a woman should have the right to an abortion if she doesn't want to have a child and can't care for it. don't put stupid words in my mouth:P
How can you say that the baby is part of the mother’s body? It may be inside her body, but it has an entirely different combination of genes. It has its own blood type and system, its own brain, it's own heart. Yes, the baby does depend on the mother for nourishment, but even we adults depend on things like food, water, and oxygen to survive, yet we are not considered the food, the water, or the oxygen itself.
@escobar60099 to the woman, her womb and it's contents are her responsibility..the thing growing in her womb is supported by her own body, it's a part of her, her body made it. it's not rocket science. your comparisons have no standing. riddle me this: why should a person's rights to not breed be revoked? why should her worth be based on what comes out of her? you turn a blind eye to the baby that is born or abandoned, and you still think women should not be allowed to make responsible choices?
@loathedandabhorred How, then, are we able to justify the ending of one human being’s life on the grounds that another human has the right to do what they want to themselves? Your rights end at the point where someone else’s rights begin. That child has a right to live. Your right to do what you want ends when you want to kill that baby. You have absolutely no right at all to infringe upon anyone else’s rights, including the baby’s.
@escobar60099 the child also has a right to a safe home and loving parents, right? shouldn't that be a baby's right? if they are not wanted before they're even born, and they have no place to go, why fight for them to be born? some people abuse themselves, but why knowingly force these people to pop out kids they don't want or won't care for? that makes no sense and benefits no one. you're suggesting we infringe upon women's rights, like they do in third world countries. how ignorant that sounds
@escobar60099 Once you give rights to the unborn you automatically take away the rights of the mother. The mother is then dehumanized. You have to make a choice. Either you value the humanity of unborn or the humanity of the mother. You can't have both.
@X0X0KE814 lmao. not all pro-lifers are christian. that is such a stupid comment to make...you're an embarrassment to the pro-abortion movement. further to your stupidity is the fact that the baby's body isn't yours. no reputable scientist supports that claim. you'll have to come up with another reason to back your stance. one that is truthful and doesn't fly in the face of the REAL feminist movement (you know, before the industry started using feminism as a cover) Google Feminists for Life.
I am a mother to a one year old little girl and I'm 20 weeks pregnant with a little boy. With this pregnancy I knew right away I was pregnant. As a mom you really do feel another person's spirit living inside your body and that is your child's spirit. That's enough to say that baby is a seperate person from you and it is alive.
@ChooseLifeIreland The babies are no more innocent than the mothers. The mothers did nothing wrong. And to guilt a woman for having an unwanted pregnancy is turning that pregnancy and that child into a punishment for having sex. What person wants to exist to be someone's punishment?
@ChooseLifeIreland It is genetically a Homo Sapien. But I feel we have to earn our humanity as we go through life and as a result I am more interested in the mothers than their children. Part of being human is dealing the pain of having a fully conscious and analytical mind. I feel we should love and take care of the people who are already here.
@ArcanaXI Don't you find it disturbing that you or someone else is deciding who is worthy to live and who is not? With what authority do you say: "we have to earn our humanity"? What have you done to earn whatever years of existence you've had so far? Who sets the standards that enable us to "earn" humanity. As for the difficulties that arise from pregnancy, ya, that's called human responsibility...you know what else is a pain in the ass, paying darn taxes...it doesn't excuse not paying them.
@equitemcroce I find it just as disturbing as people deciding how others should live their lives. I know of people (only 17) who weren't ready for pregnancy, aborted, and now are going to school to achieve their life goals. They couldn't have done that with a child. A fetus doesn't have life goals or dreams yet so in this case I support the mother and she will create another child if she wants and when she is ready. Also if someone doesn't want to pay taxes they can leave and go somewhere else.
@ArcanaXI the idea is that your freedom ends when it starts infringing on the freedom of others. So, the decision to abort ends the life of another to justify one's own lifestyle. And btw, we always tell people how to live their lives...this is enforced by the laws of the state. We have laws that inhibit you to kill, to speed, to steal property etc...and you're missing the point about taxes: I'm bringing them up to show that in a just society we have responsibility. Running away isn't an answer.
@equitemcroce Answer me this: what "lifestyle" do you think these people have? You can't just bunch every person's reasons for abortion into lifestyle. Do you think that being poor, ill, or the desire to become educated is a "lifestyle"? And yes, there are laws against certain things but abortion isn't one of them. Society decided that it wasn't anyone's right to force a woman to have a child or abort a child against her will.
@equitemcroce You also mentioned "your freedom ends when it starts infringing on the freedom of others". So who do we favor? An unwanted baby crushes all of it's mother's ambitions and her freedom to live a fulfilling life. An unhappy mother ends an unconscious clump of cells but the baby doesn't have the freedom to develop. So who is more conscious of missing out in life?
@ArcanaXI saying an unwanted baby "crushes" a mother's ambitious is contemptuous at best and saying that abortion will help having a fulfilling life when we have more and more evidence that show that abortions have biological and psychological long term effects on the woman is really dubious. In any case, we have to establish which right is more important: is the right to life less important than the right to have a job? We cannot treat dignity as something that can be discarded at will.
@equitemcroce This isn't about a woman's right to a job. It's sort of silly to assume that's all a woman wants from life if not children. This is about passion. To strive for a passion takes time and effort and sometimes money often times children get in the way. From my observations people who don't have children are more successful. If a person wants success, holding off from having kids for a while is a good start.
@ArcanaXI One doesn't have an abortion not have children. You say: "If a person wants success, holding off from having kids for a while is a good start." . That can be true but considering we are talking about abortion, the context seems to suggest using abortion as a form of contraception...I thought the pro-choice movement avoided that sort of talk? This is eerily getting close to treating human life as if it is property.
Forcing a child to die. Forcing a person to live life against their wishes. How are these two things different? Patrick Henry said, "give me liberty or give me death". While this isn't the same scenario, life isn't worth living if we are not free to live as we wish. Really, pro-life doesn't allow any freedom. Pro-choice wipes it's hand's clean saying "It's your choice, is it you or the fetus?" In unwanted pregnancies (not happy accidents) the mother never wins. It's just a sad fact.
Lol man, abortion is wrong. It's as black and white as that, there is nothing right about it.
KasaiKendia 4 days ago
Pro choice. Pro life is crazy.
VhUgGz 1 month ago
@VhUgGz How is protecting life crazy?????
freewilllover 3 weeks ago
@freewilllover Because the welfare of the child is totally abandoned once it's born. The fact that if it's a WOMAN's body, then it is the WOMAN's SOLE right to decide what she wants to do with it. It would be psycho to think ANY different.
VhUgGz 3 weeks ago
@VhUgGz The child isn`t her body although she may decide over her own body this doesn`t mean she can dcide over the lives of others, every human being has the right to live and it is only in her body cause she put it there, also we don`t abonden it we have adoptive and foster parents!!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 3 weeks ago
@freewilllover The child is HER child and not the crazy politician's who is trying to pass a law that takes her constitutional rights away. It DOES give her the right to decide over the life of others. Not every human has the right to live. Look at what has happened throughout history. There are EXPONENTIALLY more babies born to mothers who can't take care of them than there are idealic, loving couples who want to adopt. Don't be stupid. This is how Christianity has made the Western World stupid
VhUgGz 3 weeks ago
@VhUgGz No parents may not decide over their lives of children, and what do you mean not al humans beings have the right to live, why not?????? All inocent human beings have the right to live why would a fetus not have thart right it did nothing, being unwanted doesn`t mean you don`t deserve to live!!!!!!
freewilllover 3 weeks ago
@freewilllover No. Very few human beings have rights, even in first world countries. In an ideal world, they would. But they DON'T! And no, just because you're unwanted doesn't give you the right to live. You're so ignorant. Also, where are you from? It's obvious English isn't your first language.
VhUgGz 3 weeks ago
@VhUgGz Rights are based on moraliuty, so it is oke to kill humans, so can I kill rape and torture you and your mom????? was the holocaust oke?? am I ignorant believing in human rights???
freewilllover 3 weeks ago
@freewilllover
LOL - Am I hearing you right? The Big Pro-Lite rally will be Jan 22, when they mark
39 years of Roe. Thousands of post abortion women will show up and tearfuly
tell their stories.
You equate them with people who kill actual people and Jews? Are you sure about that?
Hexl702 2 weeks ago
@Hexl702 Well there crimes were as horrible.
freewilllover 2 weeks ago
If you are pro-choice, then by principle, you are bound to support someone's right to own slaves. The South made the same argument in the Civil War -- each state should have the right to choose slavery, and nobody should "impose" their own ethics on them. When you say "Mind your own uterus," you're making the exact same argument. It's that pro-choice mentality that tolerates injustice which allowed slavery to be perpetuated for 300 years. We have got to take a stand for justice.
gotgame292 1 month ago
Pro-Choice. Anti-Choice people simply want to make ethical decisions for others as well as for themselves.
If others were forcing Anti-Choice people to give up their own ability to make ethical choices, they could clearly see the injustice in forced birth laws.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 "anti-choice" haha your tactics to make it sound so demeaning. we prefer "pro-life." and this is one of the worst arguments for your side. we are not forcing our beliefs. we are trying to convince you to see it as we do. if i know for a fact that murder is wrong, or if i truly believed it (think it through, i know its difficult for some) then why in the HELL would i not try to put an end to it? Murder is an ethical choice. so if i believe it is wrong, you can bet that i am going to
Jrink300 1 month ago
@Jrink300 advocate for that.
Jrink300 1 month ago
@Jrink300 """murder""
That bad, eh? Abortion is murder? How come y'all dont apply murder standards.
When people murder actual people, they arent "talked to" or "reasoned with" or "hope to persuade" -- their ass is thrown in jail or even the electric chair!
You dont believe abortion is murder, do you. Not really truly deeply.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 Back in the day when society accepted slavery, do you think that they were "talked to" or "reasoned with" or thrown in jail if the slaves were treated poorly or were killed for resisting their masters? Of course they would not have because slaves were not thought to have rights, and some said they were not even human. Abortion is just a repetition of this history in another form. We need another Martin Luther King Jr. to make society realize this is murder and unethical.
golden680 1 month ago
@Hexl702 Well we are trying to make it illegal so yeah we do!!!!
freewilllover 3 weeks ago
@freewilllover """We are trying to make it illegal""
Really - by doing WHAT? Hexl is all ears. You planning on making abortion a criminal charge? Murder I, maybe?
We will stack that up against "safe, legal and rare,' and see which one goes over better with the Am. people.
Hexl702 2 weeks ago
Pro-Life. Killing your kid should not be legal.
SuburbiaSurvivor 2 months ago
Pro-choice. Mind your own uterus.
SenninDarkissa 2 months ago
The one quote that fits this perfectly is
"No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg."
TheToxicGasMask 2 months ago 2
@TheToxicGasMask She just has to give birth not wantig that is just not wanting to be inconvinienced, and even if your need is desperate murder is not oke!!!!
freewilllover 3 weeks ago
@columbiangammer1213 Having a child for some people could ruin their lives and futures, even if put up for adoption. If the time is not right, then no women should be forced to bare a child, it isn't a person until it is born. It can not vote, and is not viable.
TheToxicGasMask 2 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 Or people could not be so ignorant and take the rights of a women away, because they themselves don't agree with it, or it makes them uncomfortable.
TheToxicGasMask 2 months ago
@chickydum LOVE this video! Its amazing and realy gets the message out! Wish i had made it lol Ima link this to some other abortion vids and maybe they will change their mind.
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
Who cares about people,most of them are assholes! I am more pro life when it comes to animals!!!
faithisdumb666 3 months ago
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Worldwide, childbirth kills eight times more women than legal, illegal or even unsanitary abortion. Prolife want pregnant women to have NO choice.
Prolife are PRO DEATH for pregnant women.
BirthKillsMothers8 3 months ago
Can't I be both? I'm pro-life, but not just for the fetus. That would be pro-fetus. I'm pro-life for the mom too. I'm pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. I'm probably most likely never gonna have an abortion, but I won't attack people who do get abortions.
GirGurrl 4 months ago
Right at conception. I'm still PRO-CHOICE though!
abviolin2 4 months ago
@abviolin2
Hell yes, me too. It may go beyond this, but the government having control over a woman's body is disgusting. I don't care how you put it, a woman has the right to protect her body, at all costs. PRO choice all the way.
fmnma1 4 months ago 2
@fmnma1 It isn`t controlling the womens body but protecting the chid inside it, yes the women has the right to protect her body but doesn`t the fetus have a right to live????? How does her freedom override the fetuses rights?????? Isn`t the right to live as important as to chose?????
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@freewilllover
The fetus, isn't going to remember a damn thing, do you remember, or have memories when you were a fetus? There are many people out there who would have rather 'not' been in this world, trust me. Do you really care about a fetus? Why not all those kids dying in Africa? I can guarantee a child died today, and I bet you didn't give that one thought today, did you. A child dies, everyday, somewhere. But, you never give it a thought... hypocritical? hmmm
fmnma1 3 weeks ago
You are all such hypocrites. None of you want a child, but because @bettythorny is a person who knows that if she has this child it will not have a good life, that she is an awful person, you all disgust me. I have had many poor teenage friends tell me that they wish their parents have aborted them and that they were selfish for keeping them. Talk to those kids suffering, than tell me a women strong enough to know having a kid is wrong for her and the child should not have that right. You Pigs.
TheToxicGasMask 4 months ago 2
@TheToxicGasMask Thats why she should've given the kid up for adoption and not all kids turn out like that. There is still a huge chance that kid could have a regular life.
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
@TheToxicGasMask:: Considering the FACT: Each and every legal surgical abortion in America today stops a beating heart. I should 'talk to those kids suffering'? How about considering the millions of innocents torn from their mother's bodies and thrown into surgical waste cans. In this issue of LIFE or DEATH the only 'choice' is what platform do you stand upon? Are you 'pro' or in favor of protecting LIFE or 'pro' or in favor of a woman's killing rights? What's your choice, Pro Life or Pro Death?
truthinreality 3 months ago
@TheToxicGasMask So the solution is to kill the child? She isn't a bad person if she doesn't want the child, but she is making a bad choice by killing the child. There are other options, adoption. There are many couples out there who are unable to conceive a child and want to adopt. And it is impossible to know if a child will have a horrible life or not. Life is unpredictable, you never know what will happen.
ColombianGamer1213 2 months ago
@TheToxicGasMask Then those kids can just commit suicide.
reviewreviewer1 2 months ago
I think the nature of the abortion debate shows how heartless and cruel many women actually are compared to a lot of men.
LoneRookRS1 4 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
Look at it this way
You'd put a suffering dog down if it couldn't live to see tomorrow.
Technikian 4 months ago
@Technikian Dogs aren't human. The fact you compare the two speaks volumes.
LoneRookRS1 4 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
They're alive.
So are humans
They're animals
Like humans.
Heres a fact, if we're gonna be pro-LIFE. be pro-LIFE, meaning, if you're concerned about LIFE, that means you must have a true passion for all walks of LIFE.
Whether it is human or feral, or perhaps, even insect.
I'm a pro choice person and I don't even kill spiders.
Cause I'm not a douche.
Technikian 4 months ago
@Technikian No we should have a special morality for fellow humans, in order to protect the weak, vulnerable and sick.
LoneRookRS1 4 months ago
@LoneRookRS1
I volunteer for about five charities, regularly working the soup kitchen.
The fuck are you doing?
Technikian 4 months ago
@Technikian What am I doing? Not being a hypocrite for a start.
LoneRookRS1 4 months ago
@Technikian Pro life just means you value human life. Its doesnt mean the life of insects. Just because it has the word life in it doesnt mean that it means insect life. Thats like saying if your pro CHOICE then why dont you let the baby in the womb have a CHOICE
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
@ShaniaBieber30
Because I value all life as it feels pain, as it is conscious, as it can Think, as it can make decisions and have rational thought.
An unborn fetus has the same actions on the female body as a parasite, like a tapeworm. If we're going to be talking about human life, lets point out how, technically, a fetus is not yet its own singular being, therefore not human, but part of a human who can CHOOSE to remove it.
Technikian 3 months ago
@Technikian it has human life and it will become a grown man or women someday.... and how does anybody really know if a baby can feel it or not? But obvouisly Im not going to change your opinion so I'll just agree to disagree with you because there is no point in arguing if neither of us will ever change our minds.
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
@Technikian: Interesting how this 'parasite' as you call it would be: The most PRECIOUS thing ON EARTH to a woman who wants a child and fit for surgical removal and disposal if it is not? Rationalize and justify as you may, it doesn't change the fact that: Each and every legal surgical abortion in America today stops a beating heart. DNA@Conception=LIFE
truthinreality 3 months ago
@Technikian Fetus means "offspring". Whats an offspring? A child. If a fetus inside a woman's womb isn't human, then what species is it? And much of your defense is false. During development, the CHILD in the woman's womb is soon able to think, hear, see, and even dream. Studies have been done to see if the child is able to do so in the womb and they were able to prove that they, the human child, are capable of doing so.
ColombianGamer1213 2 months ago
Think of it more this way, look at every link in a chain and ask when it becomes a chain. A human is what it is, at any stage of development.
LoneRookRS1 4 months ago
Adoption saves lives. Pro-Life 100%.
TheSHShow1914 5 months ago
@TheRealMidori I'll take that as the tongue-in-cheek jibe I hope it was mean to be ;)
whoyoucallinfreak 5 months ago
@TheRealMidori not all pro-lifers are God-bothering religious. you should google feminists for life. They were the ORIGINAL feminists...it was what real feminists were about before the abortion industry hijacked the feminist movement to legitimise their business. They were ANTI abortion.
whoyoucallinfreak 5 months ago
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AmongTheDispersed 6 months ago
no offence to anyone but the debate between pro-life and pro-choice should only be between women. no man is ever going to have to go through pregnency or child birth.they cant expect women to do this when they have no idea what their going to have to go through
LIVEwelldreamBIG22 6 months ago
I'm mainly Pro-Life, but there are certain circumstances where abortion should be seen as optional. For me, those circumstances are; the pregnancy is threatening the life of the mother and child (And I'll admit, this would need to reach a certain severity for me to be completely open towards it), and if the unborn baby is suffering from a serious condition that gravely lowers its chances of survival in and/or outside the womb. Basically, if the baby isn't viable I would have to accept abortion..
AmongTheDispersed 6 months ago
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AmongTheDispersed 6 months ago
@AmongTheDispersed ...as a solution. And when I say 'viable', I specifically mean if the unborn child has very low or no chances of living. Conditions being anencephaly for a hypothetical example.
AmongTheDispersed 6 months ago
@AmongTheDispersed fetuses aren't babies and they aren't viable. Fetuses are basically parasites in pregnant women. They live only if the woman is living. It is human potential. I do not consider a fetus/baby viable until it is stable, living and breathing outside of the womb on its own. That is when the baby has some viability.
futurejockey8 6 months ago
@futurejockey8 Okay, that's your opinion. Mine is different, though.
AmongTheDispersed 6 months ago
@futurejockey8 Okay, that's your opinion. And I have mine :)
AmongTheDispersed 6 months ago
@futurejockey8 you didn't pass science at school, did you? may i suggest you brush-up on some definitions: parasite (as opposed to gestational dependency). human. viability. ffs if you're going to be pro-abortion you got to at least sound like you know something. right now, you're just coming across as being really dumb. a human is a species. a human is a human before and after birth and they are a human whilst living as well as after death. what other freakin species would it be? duh.
whoyoucallinfreak 5 months ago
"""No one's pro-lite, its impossible """
""Innocent human life should never be taken "" -- Nice sentiment. Really poetic,
belongs on a Hallmark card.
But in the real world, a statement like that lasts all of 10 seconds before people start making exceptions to it. Even pro-lickers, when they say theyre for rape/incest/ health of woman exceptions.
Hexl702 7 months ago
They wont do just ANYTHING to save a fetus -- Theyre certainly not barging into the clinics and snatching the women off the table, bodily physically trying to stop em,
etc. They have their points and their limits, and I understand that.
What I would like to hear from em is -- What are some of the things they WOULD do ? For 38 years, theyve just mostly run their big mouths, and in the wake
of 50 million abortions, we've seen how woefully
ineffective that is.
Hexl702 7 months ago
@bettythorny """Abortion in two days if nobody speaks up'""
LOL - hexl knows where this is headed. The pro-lifters will rustle their feathers, huff puff and
sniff "I WILL NOT BE EXTORTED! I refused to subject myself to BLACKMAIL!""
Looks like theyre no better than us -- some things trump a fetus' right to live !
Hexl702 7 months ago
No one's pro-life. It's impossible.
humanistheart 7 months ago 3
@humanistheart Thats a stupid comment considering that Im pro-life.
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
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@ShaniaBieber30 Then what do you eat?
humanistheart 3 months ago
i am pro life because god put us on this earth to LIVE and REPRODUCE not to kill,if you were raped,put it up for adoption,if you got pregnant unexpectantly put it up for ADOPTION!condoms,birth control,abortion,euthinasia,& death penalty-all just as bad as the holocaust except this time it's americans killing americans!?!?!?!?!?!?!?you guys are so worried about "womens health" and "breast cancer" and are soldiers fighting that without life there would be no worrying about this at all
footballfrenzy11 7 months ago
I'm prolife! I will never murder a baby, and it's wrong. That is a child, and should have choices. I just wished that all the mothers would realize that. Just because abortion is legal, doesn't mean it's right! Women, stop being so selfish! Give this child a life!
Thatsamistery 8 months ago
@Thatsamistery About half those babies are female that you are giving a choice to. Only to dehumanize them later when they get pregnant by taking away their medical choices & treating them like a mindless incubating machine. If they didn't get pregnant then the baby wouldn't have a life either now would it. Think about it.
Fishqueen1972 7 months ago
ces of pro-life women.. That's pretty sad if you ask me a man will never understand the full implications of carrying a child to birth because he can't, only YOU can. Women deserve the full say in this issue hands down. With all love and light
Ichliebemusikundybd 8 months ago
Pro-choice here if you lack the brain capacity required to differentiate between a real human i.e the woman and a potential life the fetus/embryo then you not only insult your own intelligence but are a disgrace to our species. Women who are pro-life ask yourself the following question (why are 77 percent of anti-abortion leaders men?) apparently not only do some men feel like they can have the right to violate your body by not legally enabling your actions but they also want to outweigh the voi
Ichliebemusikundybd 8 months ago
@Ichliebemusikundybd Only someone lacking in brain capacity would say that a human fet/emb is not a 'real human' or 'living' (how else it is growing). No scientist denies that humans breed humans. The fet/emb you are referring to relates to a stage of growth NOT A SPECIES. If a human woman is pregnant, she is pregnant with a human, not a donkey. BTW the 77% claim is a bumper sticker one; not known for being reputable tools for research. Talk about a disgrace...pro-choicers would be embarrassed.
whoyoucallinfreak 5 months ago
I'm having an abortion this weekend! Good news, though: if anybody here volunteers to adopt the child I would otherwise abort, I'll go through with the pregnancy! So, "pro-lifers", anybody care to put your money where your mouth is? Anybody? Abortion in two days if nobody speaks up. And then all you "pro-lifers" who read this will have been accessories to murder in God's eyes.
bettythorny 8 months ago 21
@bettythorny Please don't have the abortion. You're killing that child.
LeftHandCookie 6 months ago
@LeftHandCookie if abortion is murder, (male) masturbation is genocide. And menstruating is murder as well.
futurejockey8 6 months ago
@futurejockey8 Dude, would you really wanna kill a baby or a soul? How horrible it would be, just to DO it.
LeftHandCookie 6 months ago
@bettythorny is it burning in your concience yet? a bad thing about abortion is it can cause you to loose fertility but for people like you its best since no more innocent lives can be taken for your mistakes...if you didnt want a baby you should have protected yourself
cindyaritza 5 months ago
@cindyaritza You are so dumb. The only way you can be 100% sure you won't get pregnant is abstinence. Humans have sex. Even with birth control and condoms, people can still get pregnant. Don't be so ignorant. Sometimes people do all the right things, and things still go wrong. It's not their fault and they shouldn't be punished, and neither should an unwanted child. Pro-choice, all the way.
keilareadman 4 months ago
@keilareadman Well you have the choice to have sex. Everyone knows that sex is how babies are born. So everyone knows that if you have sex your risking having a baby. I knew since I was about 4 years old that babies come from to people loving each other and being together. Its pretty easy to understand. A baby is not a punishment. Its just a baby. And its alive. Its not the babies fault that their mother chose to have sex without wanting it. So really your punishing an innocent baby.
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
@ShaniaBieber30 Pregnancies can happen without having sex. It's happened before, it can happen to anyone. So, if someone was holding off on sex because they don't want to get pregnant, and they still get pregnant in some obscure way, I don't think they should get punished. It is a punishment if it's not wanted. A woman's body is punished, and her life can be punished. A fetus is innocent. So are cows, and pigs, and chickens. What's your point there?
keilareadman 3 months ago
@keilareadman Cows and pigs and chickens are human beings. Also for the very few cases when a woman is pregnant without having sex, its not the babies fault. I agree with this vid that people do forget there is an alive human being in there. It should have the right to life. People need to think of the baby first. And not all times does the kid end out depressed. Alot of the time they turn out successful
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
@ShaniaBieber30 I can tell by that last comment that you're either not very intelligent, or you don't read things over at all before you post them. I don't think a fetus should get priority in any situation. It hasn't done anything to deserve priority. In my opinion, killing a dog is worse than getting an abortion. I bet a lot of people agree with me there. A dog is born already, probably has someone who loves it and will be missed. An aborted fetus will not be missed because it's not wanted
keilareadman 3 months ago
@ShaniaBieber30
If something is ALIVE then it has the same amount of worth as a human.
Human beings in the eyes of nature are worthless if they cannot survive, We're talking about the laws of nature, Not your personal morale, because your personal morale does not govern the fertility strain of a human.
Humans are considerably, like rats, dominating and overrunning the world, so pretty much, as people die, they make as much of a difference on the world as a dead rat does.
Technikian 3 months ago
@Technikian Humans are not like rats at all. Js. And its not anything that alive, its anything with human life. In my personnel opinion I believe the baby in the womb is alive. Its like the video says, when do you consider a baby alive? Well I think a baby is alive the moment of conception.
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
@ShaniaBieber30
People need to think of the children ALIVE AND ON THE STREETS or, Starving and already decomposing before they are dead.
Before you allow more souls to suffer take into account the ones that already are.
Technikian 3 months ago
@Technikian I do think about them. I want to help them too. There are lots of organisations helping them right now. Their already getting help. The unborn babies are not getting help. So Im trying to help them. I would try to help those kids just as much as Im trying to help the unborn babies. I just didnt think they were that relivent to an abortion video.
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
@bettythorny you are so incredibly disgusting.
crashintome20 5 months ago
@bettythorny LMBO Genius!
TheManiNicole 4 months ago
@bettythorny No matter what you could have found a home for that baby. Theres tons of people looking for babies because they can not concieve or they are gay. If you had tried harder then just putting it on youtube then that child could have gotten to exsperience the wonderful girt of life. But YOU killed that chance because you did not have the baby and you did not try very hard to find it a home.
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
@bettythorny I wish I had saw this message earlier. I might only be in the 10th grade but I would search very hard for a good home for it and i know somebody in my family or one of my parents friends (probably my aunt that cannot concieve or my family friend that wants kids but cant find a good husband) would have taken it.
ShaniaBieber30 3 months ago
i never had an abortion...... althought i had THE CHOICE.... i have two wonderfull little boys..... they were actually WANTED and so they are loved!! if someone would abuse me..... i would TAKE THAT CHOICE.... for the best interest of that unwanted child and my own health!! there is SO MANY ways to prevent unwanted pregnacy that it shouldn't happen ((((by accident))))) i am against abortion in a normal range of thinking but sometimes, life don't give you the chance to be carefull!!
exo65 8 months ago
Abortion saves lives
HowardSternn 9 months ago 20
@HowardSternn By killing them?
LoneRookRS1 4 months ago
@LoneRookRS1 The mom may not be able to afford it and they may starve to Dead
HowardSternn 4 months ago
@HowardSternn Adopt the child then. Or, under that logic, why don't you kill every child in Somalia.
LoneRookRS1 4 months ago
Pro choice is a RIGHT!
If you oppose this right, then don't have an abortion, but stay the fuck away from me!
pillowbugg 9 months ago
yeah...pro life until they're 18 and can be sent to war... pro life until he / she is on death row.....pro life until we eat chickens, cows, pigs, fish ect....pro life ????? ...i don't think so ..........no human is pro life ....no human is pro anything
lostdarkside 9 months ago
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lostdarkside 9 months ago
Stop referring to these wretched sumbags as "pro-choice" advocates. Call them what they are; Pro-ABORTION, or pro-BABY KILLERS.
"EEEW But thats an ugly word. Choice sounds better. We need to fudge terminology and distance ourselves from the fact we want to KILL BABIES."
Razlo5000 9 months ago
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utube793 9 months ago
Don't hide your comments!
@Razlo I'll call prolife for what they are;Pro- limited freedom, Pro limited personal choice, Pro oppression, and pro pushing your own subjective values on others.
I doubt if you are a women & were raped by a relative and got impregnated....you'd consider raising the kid.
& I like this video..cute baby pictures & sad song, not a biased persuasive tactic at all lol.
Damn you pro choice are so mentally limited, not every situation is the same. Learn some perpective
Razlo5000 9 months ago
@utube793
Oh WE are the ones limiting freedoms, personal choices, & imposing our values on others?!
What about the baby & the father's freedoms, choices & values? You're the ones imposing your twisted, evil & irresponsible values & oppressing others. Not us. Not by a damn long shot.
Even if I was a woman pregnant by rape (which is EXTREMELY RARE FYI) KILLING A BABY still wouldn't be the solution to that or anything! Obviously!
You pro-BABY KILLERS are the real mental midgets lacking perspective.
Razlo5000 9 months ago
My official stance is;
If you are a parent, you have an OBLIGATION to be responsible and to be there to provide everything that child needs. This is true for men and women.
However, so long as women have the right to KILL THAT CHILD and avoid their responsibilities, then men should be allowed to bail on fatherhood. I don't encourage this, but I hold NO ILL WILL to those that do.
If you have a problem with that, then join the MRM and help eradicate the KILLING of BABIES (aka abortion) FOREVER!
Razlo5000 9 months ago
Pro-Choice! It's my body, and NO ONE ELSE..man or woman should tell me what to do with it! I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THIS VIDEO WAS GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT VIDEOS, BUT IT'S JUST ANOTHER PRO LIFE CHRISTIAN VIDEO. AWESOME
X0X0KE814 9 months ago 12
@X0X0KE814 wow your comment makes you the biggest dumbass for making assumptions, not everyone is Christian lil girl :)
chickydum 9 months ago
@chickydum So then explain why is choose pro-life then? I would love to know, and I don't see how I'm a dumbass at all. I could bet my life on it your normal answer would consist of something to do with God.
X0X0KE814 9 months ago
@X0X0KE814 how about the simple fact that when you choose to be a dumbass and not fully protect yourself from pregnancy and you bring a child into the world why should the child pay for your carelessness and die. At 28 days after conception they have a heart beat and mostly you do not know you are pregnant up until this time. Abortion gives those who are careless a way out from accepting their responsibilities. Fact is 95% of abortions are for social reasons.....
chickydum 9 months ago
@chickydum accidents happen, period. why lash out at people making responsible choices regarding their own lives? many people who are irresponsible "careless dumbasses" do have babies, though not suitable as parents. how are these individuals better than the ones who give thought to the situation and realize that realistically they're not able to take on that huge responsibility???
loathedandabhorred 8 months ago
@chickydum
Yep. 97% of abortions are performed for the same reasons women take birth control pills (not financially stable, bad time in career, have enough kids already, too young, troubled relationship, etc.), based on the stats I've seen.
Only about 2% are health related and less than 0.5% are rape pregnancies.
escobar60099 8 months ago in playlist Pro-life
@chickydum The more rights you give to an embryo or fetus the less rights the woman has to medical decision making. It is a slippery slope. You have a choice. Either dehumanize the embryo or dehumanize the mother. In Utaha, a mother was arrested because one of her twins was born stillborn. She chose not to have a C-section 2 wks before so they charged her for murder assuming that her medical decision making caused the baby to be stillborn. Is that the kind of society you want to live in?
Fishqueen1972 7 months ago
@chickydum
Good then! Why on Earth do you support the idea that someone who doesnt want responisbility should have to take on the massive task of taking care of another human being when they dont want to? To teach them a lesson? Really? You're gonna force children to grow up with unwilling and unfit parents just to prove how careless the parent is? Thats fucking sick. Its very obvious you dont care about the actual child at all
Babylauncher3000 6 months ago
@chickydum
Uhh the child dosent mind. It could happen for reasons other than carelessness. {"At 28 days after conception they have a heart beat and mostly you do not know you are pregnant up until this time."} Based off of what? And why does it matter anyways....... {" Fact is 95% of abortions are for social reasons....."} Can we get some sources for this too?
lxXAbsoluteZeroXxl 6 months ago
@X0X0KE814 wow guess you just lost your life then :)
chickydum 9 months ago
@X0X0KE814
Alright nitwit, lets see you answer these 3 non religious arguments against abortion.
1) IT IS THE KILLING OF A BABY!
2) Both Gender's reproductive rights are not protected.
3) It promotes promiscuity, irresponsibility, and immaturity.
Reason 1 is reason enough, and I am ashamed to live in a time where this isn't common sense, but lets see you defend this lunacy we call abortion to those 3 non religious based arguments!
Razlo5000 9 months ago
@Razlo5000. im pro-life but i say if we have pro-doctrine in america lets extended it to men and give them choice as well. that equality, that what this is all about. i mean abortion is praise but a deadbeat is locked up, is that hypocritical or what. if abortions are gonna happen anyway, give men the rights to choose to be father like we do women and then we will see how quickly things change and problem 3 would at least be fixed as women would know they couldnt force fatherhood on men.
mykole84 9 months ago
@mykole84
I completely agree with everything you said there, but I believe there should be a separation of church and state. This is why I never argue from a religious perspective. If everybody had God as a moral compass as we do there would be no problem, but we cannot assume our religious convictions on others. Thankfully we don't need to. There are plenty of very solid rational and logical arguments on our side to work with. If we start arguing with them, we'll win. Its that simple.
Razlo5000 8 months ago
@Razlo5000. i believe there should be seperation from church and state but we dont have that. the church is secularism and so is the state. we should not treat christians like atheist, etc. there are differences that must be respected. christianity say man is head of household, so why do we have so many misandric secular laws oppressing christians. if secular people want that then let their courts do that to them but christians or any other religion shouldnt have to be oppressed like that.
mykole84 8 months ago
@mykole
The vast majority of American citizens are christians which is why American laws & icons sometimes include religious references such as "in god we trust". If more than 2% of the world's population was atheist, things might be different, but that isn't the case. if that 2% has a problem with that, they can move. I say to them; go see how open & tolerant the muslims are of your atheism & political correctness. LOL.
That 2% makes the most noise, but they crumble against logic & reason.
Razlo5000 8 months ago
@Razlo5000. christianity is dying in america or it being highly secualrized to the point where most pro-choice people in america call themselves christians & and most misandric laws are supported by many christians. because the state is secular it can impose it will on the people. this is y i find it silly to see when christian are against muslim people when both truly have more in common and are clearly being divided and conquered by secular states that dont promote religious freedom.
mykole84 8 months ago
@mykole84
Christianity dying?! HA! Christianity will never die.
Misandric laws might be supported by many on the right (who are often christian) but these laws are crafted by the left. All femifascists are leftists. If you oppose statism, the left is your enemy. Ask a leftist what more needs to be done with government involvement and they will say more government is needed.
Christians & muslims are very different. For example, muslims call for the killing of non-muslims and former believers.
Razlo5000 8 months ago
@Razlo5000 Why would they move to a muslim country? Europe would probably suit them better don't you think?
Dakkosa 8 months ago
@Dakkosa
Its got to be a muslim country. In christian countries militant atheists are allowed to ridicule & insult religious people because they are free to say whatever they want & its assumed Christians won't or cant defend themselves. Here these cowards are tigers because they know they can just get away with it.
In Muslim countries however, they would likely get killed for sticking their fat noses in other people's business & ridiculing their beliefs. They would find humility quickly or die.
Razlo5000 8 months ago
@Razlo5000 O_o...
Dakkosa 8 months ago
@X0X0KE814
If someone put a gun to your head and shot you, that's a choice. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, spent time in pre-WW II Germany as a disciple of Hitler's "eugenics" program.
Hitler's genocide program called murder "cleansing."
Sanger's genocide program calls it "choice." Same thing. Different holocausts.
Socialists are adept at using code-words to mask their horrors upon humanity.
escobar60099 8 months ago in playlist Pro-life
@chickydum Don't worry, she's been raging on all pro life vids. Apparently she has issues accepting responsibility for what she does.
SemperFidelisDOD 9 months ago
@SemperFidelisDOD haha it's ok i just hate people making assumptions that it is all christians who do pro-life work. hows about people who care about everyone having the right to life and this is what this is about. considering 95% of abortions are due to social reasons then damn right i have something to say about it. People need to accept responsibility and stop taking the easy way out :)
chickydum 9 months ago
@chickydum
hello it should be a womens choice wether or not to have an abortion! what if a women develops an ilness like mirror syndrome that could kill the fetus or the mother?
SuperVancouverBC 9 months ago
@chickydum But why do you feel that you have the right to govern over another person?
Dakkosa 8 months ago
@chickydum Who are you to tell someone what to do? Did you know that over 50% of embryos fail to embed in the uterus and expells from the body naturally? Did you know that every month I have an egg expell from my body, a potential human, who will never live? You tell people to take responsibility, if they have an abortion the embryo won't have a life, if they don't get pregnant, there won't be an embryo in the first place. The result is the same. No life.
Fishqueen1972 7 months ago
@chickydum The problem is this is not a black / white issue... why do you and everyone seem to treat it as such? Pro life, pro choice; generally speaking it's irrational to choose one. My point is there needs to be a debate about when it's appropriate for either, not which one is somehow always appropriate. Regardless of what you think, there are certainly many cases in which pro-choice is appropriate, and those where pro-life are.
Visions4Peace 7 months ago
@Visions4Peace There's a sub-issue here though, how do we know which cases meet their criteria for whether abortion is appropriate? For example, say a criteria for legitimate abortion is the girl's partner didn't pull-out without her permission. Incase you disagree: do you think the girl should take responsibility for her partner's mistake? Problem is that the girl could lie for her own convenience of not having to keep the baby. Solution? Every city should set their own criteria..
Visions4Peace 7 months ago
@Visions4Peace Why? Shouldn't everyone follow the most moral choice in the matter? Guess what, there is none. Moral is a matter of opinion and the various potencies of certain characteristics of peoples' personalities; like empathy, sympathy and compassion. Some people are more empathetic than others, some are more empathetic towards people's freedom, some towards the life of un-born babies. If cities chose, the majority of people in each city would be happy with the outcome.
Visions4Peace 7 months ago
@Visions4Peace The biggest difference between majority within cities versus the entire country is that when it's a national issue it becomes a political issue, a often a very heated debate. The simplest way to overcome this essentially irresolvable matter, it to let small government bodies decide via a referendum.
Face it, if you want most people to see your perspective on the matter, you'd have to literally alter the fixed personalities of the masses... this is an issue of emotion, not logic.
Visions4Peace 7 months ago
@SemperFidelisDOD "accepting responsibility for what she does"...umm what about people who were raped by their families, strangers ect? I guess she should be responsible for being a victim and live with it for the rest of her life.
Pro life debaters argue on their limited mindset with the belief that all situation is the same, without accounting individual circumstances.
Most meaningles deaths occur in wars, but I'm sure none of you pro choice choose that route for debate due to ur low IQ
utube793 9 months ago
@utube793 You know nothing of me so you have no right to say that I have a "low IQ". Another thing, I'm clearly Pro Life, not Pro Choice. It would help if you knew who you were arguing with. I don't expect you too though due to you're "Low IQ".
Assuming that it was a typo, I would like to point out that this is a never ending argument which I'm not going to argue with you because neither of us will win or lose. I'm not going to get into it with you about War. We are both entitled to opinions
SemperFidelisDOD 9 months ago
@X0X0KE814 Yes it's your body... But you don't have the right to decide whether the body inside you should live or not. You have a choice, don't have sex.
LadyDoloris 9 months ago
@LadyDoloris you're speaking out against nature. people have sex, like any animal. other animals eat the young they don't want; we, being a bit more advanced in some areas, can prevent the birth from happening. why shouldn't a woman have the choice what to do with her body? the thing growing in there is hers, a part of her, which means the decision should be hers alone. who is anybody to tell her what she should do with the rest of her life??? whether to be a mother or not?
loathedandabhorred 8 months ago
@loathedandabhorred
So your saying that a infant is just a mothers property and has no right to live just because the mother decides they don't want to take care of their responsibility? So every mother of a child should just have the right to shoot their children that they don't want?
escobar60099 8 months ago
@escobar60099 uhhh, no, i didn't say that. i said a woman should have the right to an abortion if she doesn't want to have a child and can't care for it. don't put stupid words in my mouth:P
loathedandabhorred 8 months ago
@loathedandabhorred
How can you say that the baby is part of the mother’s body? It may be inside her body, but it has an entirely different combination of genes. It has its own blood type and system, its own brain, it's own heart. Yes, the baby does depend on the mother for nourishment, but even we adults depend on things like food, water, and oxygen to survive, yet we are not considered the food, the water, or the oxygen itself.
escobar60099 8 months ago
@escobar60099 to the woman, her womb and it's contents are her responsibility..the thing growing in her womb is supported by her own body, it's a part of her, her body made it. it's not rocket science. your comparisons have no standing. riddle me this: why should a person's rights to not breed be revoked? why should her worth be based on what comes out of her? you turn a blind eye to the baby that is born or abandoned, and you still think women should not be allowed to make responsible choices?
loathedandabhorred 8 months ago
@loathedandabhorred How, then, are we able to justify the ending of one human being’s life on the grounds that another human has the right to do what they want to themselves? Your rights end at the point where someone else’s rights begin. That child has a right to live. Your right to do what you want ends when you want to kill that baby. You have absolutely no right at all to infringe upon anyone else’s rights, including the baby’s.
escobar60099 8 months ago
@escobar60099 the child also has a right to a safe home and loving parents, right? shouldn't that be a baby's right? if they are not wanted before they're even born, and they have no place to go, why fight for them to be born? some people abuse themselves, but why knowingly force these people to pop out kids they don't want or won't care for? that makes no sense and benefits no one. you're suggesting we infringe upon women's rights, like they do in third world countries. how ignorant that sounds
loathedandabhorred 8 months ago
@escobar60099 Once you give rights to the unborn you automatically take away the rights of the mother. The mother is then dehumanized. You have to make a choice. Either you value the humanity of unborn or the humanity of the mother. You can't have both.
Fishqueen1972 7 months ago
@X0X0KE814
"Pro-Choice" is a code word for Pro-Death. Calling it a "choice" doesn't change what the "choice" really is.
escobar60099 8 months ago in playlist Pro-life
@X0X0KE814 The baby is more important. Don't murder your child, it wants to be alive. :)
LeftHandCookie 6 months ago
@X0X0KE814 lmao. not all pro-lifers are christian. that is such a stupid comment to make...you're an embarrassment to the pro-abortion movement. further to your stupidity is the fact that the baby's body isn't yours. no reputable scientist supports that claim. you'll have to come up with another reason to back your stance. one that is truthful and doesn't fly in the face of the REAL feminist movement (you know, before the industry started using feminism as a cover) Google Feminists for Life.
whoyoucallinfreak 5 months ago
@X0X0KE814 may god bless you
urantiruslan 5 months ago
@X0X0KE814 but your taking a life thats not yours
crashintome20 5 months ago
Pro- choice. A woman deserves the right to her own body. HER body; HER choice. NO ONE else's.
Scoooobyful 9 months ago
I am a mother to a one year old little girl and I'm 20 weeks pregnant with a little boy. With this pregnancy I knew right away I was pregnant. As a mom you really do feel another person's spirit living inside your body and that is your child's spirit. That's enough to say that baby is a seperate person from you and it is alive.
LovedbcHim 10 months ago
Abortion is wrong because it kills an innocent human being
ChooseLifeIreland 10 months ago
@ChooseLifeIreland The babies are no more innocent than the mothers. The mothers did nothing wrong. And to guilt a woman for having an unwanted pregnancy is turning that pregnancy and that child into a punishment for having sex. What person wants to exist to be someone's punishment?
ArcanaXI 10 months ago 2
@ArcanaXI The issue at hand is abortion is wrong because it kills an innocent human being.Do you believe the unborn to be human?
ChooseLifeIreland 10 months ago
@ChooseLifeIreland It is genetically a Homo Sapien. But I feel we have to earn our humanity as we go through life and as a result I am more interested in the mothers than their children. Part of being human is dealing the pain of having a fully conscious and analytical mind. I feel we should love and take care of the people who are already here.
ArcanaXI 10 months ago 2
@ArcanaXI Don't you find it disturbing that you or someone else is deciding who is worthy to live and who is not? With what authority do you say: "we have to earn our humanity"? What have you done to earn whatever years of existence you've had so far? Who sets the standards that enable us to "earn" humanity. As for the difficulties that arise from pregnancy, ya, that's called human responsibility...you know what else is a pain in the ass, paying darn taxes...it doesn't excuse not paying them.
equitemcroce 10 months ago
@equitemcroce I find it just as disturbing as people deciding how others should live their lives. I know of people (only 17) who weren't ready for pregnancy, aborted, and now are going to school to achieve their life goals. They couldn't have done that with a child. A fetus doesn't have life goals or dreams yet so in this case I support the mother and she will create another child if she wants and when she is ready. Also if someone doesn't want to pay taxes they can leave and go somewhere else.
ArcanaXI 10 months ago
@ArcanaXI the idea is that your freedom ends when it starts infringing on the freedom of others. So, the decision to abort ends the life of another to justify one's own lifestyle. And btw, we always tell people how to live their lives...this is enforced by the laws of the state. We have laws that inhibit you to kill, to speed, to steal property etc...and you're missing the point about taxes: I'm bringing them up to show that in a just society we have responsibility. Running away isn't an answer.
equitemcroce 10 months ago
@equitemcroce Answer me this: what "lifestyle" do you think these people have? You can't just bunch every person's reasons for abortion into lifestyle. Do you think that being poor, ill, or the desire to become educated is a "lifestyle"? And yes, there are laws against certain things but abortion isn't one of them. Society decided that it wasn't anyone's right to force a woman to have a child or abort a child against her will.
ArcanaXI 10 months ago
@equitemcroce You also mentioned "your freedom ends when it starts infringing on the freedom of others". So who do we favor? An unwanted baby crushes all of it's mother's ambitions and her freedom to live a fulfilling life. An unhappy mother ends an unconscious clump of cells but the baby doesn't have the freedom to develop. So who is more conscious of missing out in life?
ArcanaXI 10 months ago
@ArcanaXI saying an unwanted baby "crushes" a mother's ambitious is contemptuous at best and saying that abortion will help having a fulfilling life when we have more and more evidence that show that abortions have biological and psychological long term effects on the woman is really dubious. In any case, we have to establish which right is more important: is the right to life less important than the right to have a job? We cannot treat dignity as something that can be discarded at will.
equitemcroce 10 months ago
@equitemcroce This isn't about a woman's right to a job. It's sort of silly to assume that's all a woman wants from life if not children. This is about passion. To strive for a passion takes time and effort and sometimes money often times children get in the way. From my observations people who don't have children are more successful. If a person wants success, holding off from having kids for a while is a good start.
ArcanaXI 10 months ago
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@ArcanaXI One doesn't have an abortion not have children. You say: "If a person wants success, holding off from having kids for a while is a good start." . That can be true but considering we are talking about abortion, the context seems to suggest using abortion as a form of contraception...I thought the pro-choice movement avoided that sort of talk? This is eerily getting close to treating human life as if it is property.
equitemcroce 10 months ago
Forcing a child to die. Forcing a person to live life against their wishes. How are these two things different? Patrick Henry said, "give me liberty or give me death". While this isn't the same scenario, life isn't worth living if we are not free to live as we wish. Really, pro-life doesn't allow any freedom. Pro-choice wipes it's hand's clean saying "It's your choice, is it you or the fetus?" In unwanted pregnancies (not happy accidents) the mother never wins. It's just a sad fact.
ArcanaXI 10 months ago