I feel sorry for Patroclus he went and fought because Achilles chose not to, because of his hatred for Agamemnon. Patroclus just wanted to help the Greeks as he was loyal to his country, so he went in the guise of Achilles to boost the men’s moral but sadly he was killed by Hector. I wish he lived he could of become the next Achilles as he was his student.
@Theunit236 i watched it, but Hector just passed near Achilles's waist, he didn't stab him. -.- And he couldn't cut him either, Hector just managed to scratch his armor. god... learn to watch, will ya?
@Theunit236 I don't think you made any sense here. I didn't see him use any of his demi-god powers, he didn't even get slashed by a sword or a spear. He killed Hector without being injured, so i don't see what the problem is.
@onurokan2000 watch the battle between achilles and hektor, hektor stabs achilles with his sword in the chest(or belly don't really know) and achilles just pushed hektor away leaving no wound
Hektor kills Patroklus Achilles wants revenge he's immortal so Hektor can't kill him Hektor dies The Achilles took an arrow to the heel and he died! My favorite character was Hektor and he was a great fighter he killed many man without being a son of a god Achilles needed the help of Pallas Athena to kill Hektor so Hektor is the best!
They should just have all 400 guys near Achilles throw their spears at him. Even if one of them didn't get him, the sheer weight of all those spears would pin him down.
Can someone please tell me if both sides actually stopped fighting in real life to see hector fight patroclus because they thought hector and the achilles fight would have been a war for the ages? I want to know badly. That would be cool if they did.
@andyteves8 we don't even know for sure if the trojan war happened like homer said, not to mention this movie. all the data about the war itself are from homers poems.
@DeSPoTNemanjaS the war actually happened..Because of the war the southern greek kingdoms were overrun by the Northern greeks.This war was actually a disaster,It proved to be the downfall of the Greek empire.
War during the Bronze age was made up of mainly skirmishes, individual fights and sieges as opposed to large pitched battles. There were some exceptions to it, like Kadesh. But for the most part the type of assymetric war described in the Illiad would be most accurate.
@TheGrandeConde Well the guy i was arguing with said their was never a war and it was just a poem. All we know is the war took place over 10 years and their were many battles fought between the greeks and trojans
Can you also upload a scene from "Alexander"? After the battle in gaugamela, there is a conversation between Alexander and a young warrior Glaukos. Would be perfect
I don't necessarily think Achilles and Patroclus were gay in the Iliad. They could just be best friends and the story would still work. Even though Achilles calls him "my prince and my heart's delight." But in those days they didn't have a culture where you were labelled gay by being a man and showing the slightest emotion. That's why Achilles cries in the book.
But I don't understand why they made him his younger cousin. In the book Patroclus is actually older. Why these pointless changes?
I think the answer is that the director was afraid that the audience would think they're gay if he didn't specifically say they are cousins. And Brad Pitt would probably refuse to play a gay man, because he'd find it personally degrading. This does not conform to established Hollywood stereotypes of male protagonists. They can't even leave open the possibility that he's gay.
@Muffinfordinner 1. Homer indeed doesn't say they were cousins, but their father-names (which are refered in the Iliad) and other greek works show their kinship. I can explain what exactly this kinship was, if you want.
2. They made him younger to fit better in the role of the less skillful, impulsive warrior who needs protection.
3. I read the Iliad for the last time several months ago, but I remember some things. The quote you give was said by Briseis and not Achilles (book 19, verses 287-300)
@Muffinfordinner I don't really care about translations. Everybody can "translate" a work any way he wants, even with additions & subtractions. I read the original text, Homer's one. Of course the translations are useful because not all people know greek, but a translation is right or wrong to the extent it's consistent to the original text. Can you tell me the exact quote (book and verses) where you found this phrase (even in translation)? I can look the original text and tell you what I find.
i just have to say, as if they would all stop fighting and stand amnong each other to watch two men fight and then say, thats enough for one day after, its war that just doesnt happen
in a real battle they keep fighting and they dont stop fighting until there enemy is dead routed or surrendered
@jity29 it wouldn't have been like that, there were badasses everywhere in this war. pretty much every other person you killed was a fuckin' legend lol
Hector was kind of stupid finishing him off. Patroclus could've survived it if they were smart enough to apply pressure on it. I mean sure it hurt like shit, but he would've lived and Achilles would most likely get real pissed but if the myrmidons and greeks explained how Hector helped saved his life, than he would've forgiven him and Achilles would go back home, the greeks would lose, troy wouldd remain peaceful. th end.
@NFLization He should have finished it, why let him suffer the pain any longer, and then die? He would have died, I mean it was his throat, it's going bleed too much and kill him, also applying pressure in the middle or end of a battle, every one was filthy and so touch that wound and it will get infected and kill him.
even so... this was really logical... when you know you have a great warlord who ain't fighting with you, just bring 1,000,000 leaderless men, you ain't gonna win.
to end this shit about achilles and patroclus are gay friends or cousins...what am saying is from illiad its true that they were reffered as lovers in the illiad BUT back then it didnt have the same meaning that it has today and that you all think (couples etc) back then the meaning was very good friends from a very young age(imagine knowing someone your whole life...) if u want you can check by yourselfs
@shadowaveness Really, my friend, in the Iliad they are referred as lovers? Well, I've read it and didn't find anything like that. Can you tell me the book(s) and the verse(s) where it's said that they had sexual/erotic relationship? Because there are 15,000+ verses in the Iliad and it's not right to say something and not give proofs and quotes from the book.
IMHO the Iliad shows that were good friends and co-fighters, nothing more. Everything else is interpretation (sometimes unsubstantiated).
This movie was ok. But, in my view it fails because it didnt include the fight over petroclus's body. Truly, most violent and.bloody and shows the warrior values as to how many men were willing to die to take as trophy or bury with honor dead patroclus.
@Leona10037 It's true that this important scene is missing. The reason is obvious: They wanted to change Hector's character, make him not a warrior of the epic era (tough, a bit savage), but as a gentle and not bellicose man.
Even if I agree with you, I have to add that there are other crucial events they didn't show or showed altered: Menelaus' death, Paris and Helen's escape. Of course I understand that you refered to this scene because it was one that could show the heroic way of life/ethics.
@Lhein33 I think the other scenes are not as crucial as this one. It goes the heart of what it was to be a warrior or soldier and the poetry bleeding in violence is the most amazing scene one could ever read or see in any film. Great warrior went down with the body going back and forth. It is absolutely key to the ethics, values and courage of the Illiad.
I watched the movie and love the book. I dont know Y they say "cousin" when there are many clues that they were lovers. Just Achilles rage and mourning alone, so deep and intense you think he lost the love of his life and naybe he did.
@Leona10037 I believe that when you say "book" you mean the Iliad. It's true that Achilles mourns Patroclus very much there, but I don't think there is any evidence they were couple. Tell me some. As I've said at other videos, the Greeks of the classical era had homosexual relationships, 90% between an adult/man/citizen and a teenager/no-man/no-citizen. I don't think the Mycenean culture or Homer's society had these customs, as far as we know and here we have two adults (Patroclus was older)
@Lhein33 I am not an expert, but honestly Homer would not have written gay or homosexual or bisexual to a truth so well known as to be patently evidently from context. Achilles and Patroclus lived together, practiced together, the tenderness from Achilles toward Petroclus is far sweeter and tender than any Achilles showed any women. Achilles was fiercely protective of Petroclus not wanting him to go into battle. The passionate revenge on Hector is epic in its proportion.
@Leona10037 Achilles may have loved both men and women, but certainly it seems from Homer's writings no woman figured as prominently (save his mother) or had as much impact on him than Patroclus and his death.
@Leona10037 During the classical era, homo relationships were common, but the writers still named them in many cases.
I repeat that we don't have evidence about that kind of relationships in the Mycaenean or Homer's era. Even if we accept the classical era homo relationship, who was erastes and who eromenos?
The tenderness if true but can simply mean a very strong friendship between men with no extension. Don't forget they are called "hetairoi" (ἑταῖροι), co-fighters.
i like how men who spent all morning slaughtering each other, just randomly stop fighting, chat a little bit and then walk passed eachother without even a little push on their return to the camp. like true gentlemen covered in blood.
@Thongger Exactly! It was a great battle that's described in rapsody 17 (Menelaou Aristeia = Excellence of Menelaus) and the first verses of rapsody 18. Hector takes Achilles' armour from the corpse and tries to take the corpse itself in order to desecrate it. Menelaus and others tried to stop him. The battle ended when Achilles came near the battlefield and shouted loudly terrifying the Trojans (with a little help from the gods). The body was rescued. Hector wasn't so magnanimous then...
@Lhein33 ah, thanks for that. yeah, I dont like how they portrayed Hector as some noble honorable warrior here in the movie while the rest of the Greeks are portrayed as barbarians. THere were both heroes and villains on both sides of the war. pity the movie failed the capture that =(
@Thongger Couldn't agree more. If someone reads the Iliad, can see the sagacity with which the author creates his characters. There's no manichaeism, no watertights between "good" and "bad" people. It's true that in the film half of the Greeks are depicted as cruel and all the Trojans as noble. But I think the biggest failure was not this clear distinction between the nations, but the failure to show that THE SAME character has good and bad moments, is noble and barbarians, right and wrong
Normally one could now flout and mock the Americans for being unable to transfer at least a small glimpse of the epic beauty, power and depth of the Iliad (and its poet Homer of course); but than again: A German director did create this movie and not just a German director like that Roland something coxcomb, who indulges in making stupid movies appealing to the Americans; but Wolfgang Peterson had once directed Das Boot, which is the best submarine warfare movie so far!
@Frolife2 what part? during the fight with hector or before that, cause hector prty much owned the fight idk what fight u were watchin thats like sayin hector was whoopin ass during the fight with achilles before he died
Myrmidoms aint realy smart... not judging anyone here...but achilles has blond hair ...the cousin has clearly brown one. :o and they were running behind him so don't know how they didnt notice it
@Swatkiller00 when they noticed it was too late, he was already about to fight hector. the thing is that it was dark and since his couusin ran and moved like him they didnt notice
@CatzofLUCY Patroclus actually wasn't his cousin but a concubine awarded to Achilles. Achilles became very attached to him though and was enraged by his death at the hands of Hector and then killed and desecrated hector's body.
@CalebNelson64 Really? Can you give me a verse where this is said in the Iliad? I think Briseis says that Patroclus would be the best man at the her wedding with Achilles...
@Lhein33 No sorry man i can't (those books are just to freaking big!) But it very much so implied that they are lovers.And their relationship inspired Alexander the Great and his boyhood companion Hephaestion. So i am pretty sure there were "lovers" haha
@CalebNelson64 Alexander and Hephaestion's relationship and the sexuality of ancient Greeks are a complicated matter and I can't say something for sure. But for Achilles and Patroclus I think there is nothing in the Iliad that shows an erotic relationship. This was an interpretation some Greeks of the 5th century and forth did, but others had a different opinion. Also, in the Iliad, Patroclus is older than Achilles, so a relationship as erastes and eromenos is not possible.
The fact is that the ancient world was very different from the modern world, especially in relation to the customs and religion. It was a world before Christianity and Islam, monotheistic religions prior to that later established customs, including sexual. If Patroclus was Achilles's lover or not, does not diminish his legend of a great warrior, because it can not be judged with modern eyes.
@cesaraugustothanos I don't disagree, I know some things about the general matter, but I can't write about them now. Keep in mind, though, that is important not only WHAT was happening, but HOW was it viewed by the society. My comment was about Achilles and Patroclus, as depicted in the Iliad, the original work. There, I am quite sure that there is no reference to a sexual relationship. They are two etairoi (close friends and co-fighters). Show me some verses of the text that show the opposite.
Nobody knows for sure, because the sources are summed up the Iliad and Odyssey of Homer. Even if no one is sure ever existed Achilles (myth), but in antiquity was relatively common sexual relationships between relatives, even among men.
Just do you research the life of Alexander the Great or the Pharaohs of Egypt. There is nothing objectionable about it, it was another time and another world.
@cesaraugustothanos Of course we don't know if Achilles existed. But here we don't have just a myth; the Iliad is a literary work and Achilles a literary character. As a character he has some features and I said that a sexual relationship with Patroclus is not one of these. I didn't say if that would be bad or good, I said that the text doesn't say anything like that. Of course some Greeks of the 5th cent BC and forth interpreted the relationship as sexual, but others (Xenophon etc) disagreed.
In Ancient Greece (Atenas and others) it was common sex between men, there wasn´t the moral sense of modernity and neither was considered an aberration. Because women were considered second-line human, in antiquity.
It was a world before Christianity. The only monotheistic religion of that time was Judaism, and it did not exist in ancient Greece. There isn´t a book about the Trojan War from the perspective of the Trojans, who probably are the descendants of ancient Turkey.
@cesaraugustothanos That wasn't much of a reply. I have seen you post the same text at other videos too and it doesn't answer my question: Are there verses in the Iliad that show a sexual relathionship between Achilles and Patroclus? I say no, prove the opposite, if you believe so. Ancient Greece was not homogeneous, the Mycenaen culture, the archaic, the classic had differences. The Iliad is from 8th century and Plato's Symposium from 4th. (And, of course, Turks came to Asia Minor about 900 AD)
Because for me it is a replay, no matter if Achilles and Patroclus were lovers or not. Because it was another world, another time. This is what I am saying and don´t prove the opposite of what you said, because I have read many times Iliad and Odyssey, and Mitology Greece, also.
@cesaraugustothanos Congratulations for reading these great works and searching about mythology, I try to do the same sometimes. You said that you don't care and don't "judge" Achilles and Patroclus. But I didn't ask you this, neither I expressed a moral judgement. I know it was "another world, another time". I asked a question based on a text, not a myth or an interpretation and I didn't dispute homoeroticism of ancient Greeks, only of these 2 characters of the Iliad. Have a nice day
@brightonhamster Have you ever read the Iliad? I believe you have, otherwise it's a bit stupid to talk about it with such certainty.
Tell me then, where in the Iliad they are called lovers? Where in the Ilaid they are seen having sex or saying something that indicates a sexual relationship between them? Tell me the rapsody and the verse(s). Since we talk about a scientific matter, we have to act scientifically rather than saying whatever we want, even in a yt video.
@brightonhamster They were both, actually and they were only believed to be lovers because Achilles revenge is a littel too sadistic for someone who lost a cousin....
@101Witch101 If your only argument for their homosexual relationship is this, it's too weak IMO. Erotic love is not the only stronf affection. Perhaps you are influenced by modern films, where the hero makes everything for his lover, while other strong relationships (friendship, brotherly love) are omitted.
For the warlike society of the Iliad, co-fighters are like brothers and it's natural for one of them to want to punish the other's killer.
i love how it showed a scene where a seemingless endless wave of soldiers from both sides clashed on the beach, and yet, when a 5 foot circle opens up in the middle, everyone legit stops to watch. They were mixed in the crowd too, how do you just stop to watch? of course it's hollywood lol
@wutever22 Thats is how Homer describes it in Iliad. When 2 heroes of opposite sides met in battle, they were left alone to battle it out. That why everybody stops and give them space to duel!!!
Daamn I feel sooo epic when they are sad and think they gonna die,, than the music starts everyone : " ACHILIES" and he ran shiitt soooooooo epic love this movie..
@rollenbo15 actually, the romans changed that, if you ought for like 30-40 seconds, the guy behind you dragged you back and you went to the lines behind.
If that really *had* been Achilles and he had fought Hector on the battlefield there, it would have been the greatest duel ever, much closer than the actual one that happened later.
@cesaraugustothanos That was in the Iliad which was written by Homer, a Greek. Naturally he would want to make it seem as though Hector was scared of the greatest Greek champion, even though that may not have been the case. Anyways, I'm talking about the movie Hector. This fight would have been super close had Patroclus been Achilles and not Patroclus.
I feel sorry for Patroclus he went and fought because Achilles chose not to, because of his hatred for Agamemnon. Patroclus just wanted to help the Greeks as he was loyal to his country, so he went in the guise of Achilles to boost the men’s moral but sadly he was killed by Hector. I wish he lived he could of become the next Achilles as he was his student.
cyborgninja100 20 hours ago
@Theunit236 i watched it, but Hector just passed near Achilles's waist, he didn't stab him. -.- And he couldn't cut him either, Hector just managed to scratch his armor. god... learn to watch, will ya?
onurokan2000 2 days ago
@Theunit236 I don't think you made any sense here. I didn't see him use any of his demi-god powers, he didn't even get slashed by a sword or a spear. He killed Hector without being injured, so i don't see what the problem is.
onurokan2000 3 days ago
@onurokan2000 watch the battle between achilles and hektor, hektor stabs achilles with his sword in the chest(or belly don't really know) and achilles just pushed hektor away leaving no wound
Theunit236 2 days ago
er, patroclus was definitely NOT achilles's cousin, but more of his second in-command/pseudo-lover. fucking hollywood.
soothingecho17 2 weeks ago
I've always loved Hector :).
LadyElfOfRivendel 2 weeks ago
Hektor kills Patroklus Achilles wants revenge he's immortal so Hektor can't kill him Hektor dies The Achilles took an arrow to the heel and he died! My favorite character was Hektor and he was a great fighter he killed many man without being a son of a god Achilles needed the help of Pallas Athena to kill Hektor so Hektor is the best!
Theunit236 2 weeks ago
@Theunit236 Thats 100% accurate to the myth.
Kiwis4life 2 weeks ago
@Kiwis4life I just finished reading the iliad
Theunit236 2 days ago
@Theunit236 Nice, it's a good myth, movie was better though to be honest :)
Kiwis4life 2 days ago
They should just have all 400 guys near Achilles throw their spears at him. Even if one of them didn't get him, the sheer weight of all those spears would pin him down.
agalloway53 3 weeks ago
Noooo. Garrett Hedlund can't die! He's Scrumptious! Take Brad Pit, Zeus! Whyyyyyyyyy must it be GARRETT? :/
lionfaceliar 3 weeks ago
Until they realized it was Patroclus - everyone assumed Ahhiles use to be an immortal - but then he got an arrow to the heel.
rettie 3 weeks ago
Hey I just Notice Sean BEANNNN Y U NO DIE IN THIS MOVIE !!!!!
FacelessSingerTH 1 month ago
Funny because those guys from the crew said Brad Pitt is doing the fight scene with Eric Bana.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
My biggest regret for the movie is that I didn't watch in cinema. Damn... this scene is the only one that could make my skin crawl !
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
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59parksimple6 2 months ago
I bet hector really felt like a jerk for killing him when he thought he killed achilles
wowhalocod 2 months ago
@wowhalocod lol yea cuz he signed his own death certificate :P
myf0lk 2 months ago
@wowhalocod get out of here
WillDrowned 1 month ago
Best movie scene since Vader met his son...
TheSancho76 3 months ago
At 3:11, that's the "Oh shit!" look
Achilles940 3 months ago
Hail the KINGS! Manowar forever!
TheSancho76 3 months ago
hector pretty much killed himself if he didnt kill him then they would have left but achilles wanted revenge and fought hector in which he died
naruto922shippuden 3 months ago
it wouldve been interesting if this had actually been achilles
theJRLMchannel 4 months ago
@theJRLMchannel Hector and Achilles fight afterwards.
EverlastingSicknessX 4 months ago
@EverlastingSicknessX i know but if hector had won
theJRLMchannel 4 months ago
@theJRLMchannel The war would've ended.
SamIAmSXE 2 months ago
2:26 lol Sean beans like: whew i can relax now cause achilles is here and im pretty sure hector will die in like 15 seconds
andyteves8 4 months ago
Can someone please tell me if both sides actually stopped fighting in real life to see hector fight patroclus because they thought hector and the achilles fight would have been a war for the ages? I want to know badly. That would be cool if they did.
andyteves8 4 months ago
@andyteves8 we don't even know for sure if the trojan war happened like homer said, not to mention this movie. all the data about the war itself are from homers poems.
DeSPoTNemanjaS 4 months ago
@DeSPoTNemanjaS the war actually happened..Because of the war the southern greek kingdoms were overrun by the Northern greeks.This war was actually a disaster,It proved to be the downfall of the Greek empire.
aperantos13 3 months ago
@andyteves8
War during the Bronze age was made up of mainly skirmishes, individual fights and sieges as opposed to large pitched battles. There were some exceptions to it, like Kadesh. But for the most part the type of assymetric war described in the Illiad would be most accurate.
TheGrandeConde 4 months ago
@TheGrandeConde Well the guy i was arguing with said their was never a war and it was just a poem. All we know is the war took place over 10 years and their were many battles fought between the greeks and trojans
andyteves8 4 months ago
i cryed when garrett died. why dose he have to die in most of his movies?
dragonballz462 4 months ago
@dragonballz462
what other movies did he die in? he certainly didn't die in Tron....
vietorkorean 4 months ago
Can you also upload a scene from "Alexander"? After the battle in gaugamela, there is a conversation between Alexander and a young warrior Glaukos. Would be perfect
justcavalla 5 months ago
I don't necessarily think Achilles and Patroclus were gay in the Iliad. They could just be best friends and the story would still work. Even though Achilles calls him "my prince and my heart's delight." But in those days they didn't have a culture where you were labelled gay by being a man and showing the slightest emotion. That's why Achilles cries in the book.
But I don't understand why they made him his younger cousin. In the book Patroclus is actually older. Why these pointless changes?
Muffinfordinner 5 months ago
@Muffinfordinner
I think the answer is that the director was afraid that the audience would think they're gay if he didn't specifically say they are cousins. And Brad Pitt would probably refuse to play a gay man, because he'd find it personally degrading. This does not conform to established Hollywood stereotypes of male protagonists. They can't even leave open the possibility that he's gay.
Muffinfordinner 5 months ago
@Muffinfordinner 1. Homer indeed doesn't say they were cousins, but their father-names (which are refered in the Iliad) and other greek works show their kinship. I can explain what exactly this kinship was, if you want.
2. They made him younger to fit better in the role of the less skillful, impulsive warrior who needs protection.
3. I read the Iliad for the last time several months ago, but I remember some things. The quote you give was said by Briseis and not Achilles (book 19, verses 287-300)
Lhein33 5 months ago
@Lhein33
There are different translations. In mine Achilles calls patroclus my heart's delight, but in I saw others that say "Zeus-beloved." so idk.
Muffinfordinner 5 months ago
@Muffinfordinner I don't really care about translations. Everybody can "translate" a work any way he wants, even with additions & subtractions. I read the original text, Homer's one. Of course the translations are useful because not all people know greek, but a translation is right or wrong to the extent it's consistent to the original text. Can you tell me the exact quote (book and verses) where you found this phrase (even in translation)? I can look the original text and tell you what I find.
Lhein33 5 months ago
i just have to say, as if they would all stop fighting and stand amnong each other to watch two men fight and then say, thats enough for one day after, its war that just doesnt happen
in a real battle they keep fighting and they dont stop fighting until there enemy is dead routed or surrendered
3Slim3Shady3 5 months ago
when odysseus said to Hector it was his cousin it was like saying armagedon is coming!!!
greeklow71 5 months ago
you know you are a badass warrior when a whole army stops when it sees you coming
jity29 6 months ago 37
@jity29 it wouldn't have been like that, there were badasses everywhere in this war. pretty much every other person you killed was a fuckin' legend lol
TheImmortalWeapon 1 month ago
@jity29 you know you are a badass warior when two whole armies stop to watch you kill some bitch XD
Kiwis4life 2 weeks ago
@Kiwis4life warrior*
Kiwis4life 2 weeks ago
this old type of war is great.. They respect the truce unlike today !
SpardaAsksEmilie 6 months ago
@SpardaAsksEmilie tottaly agreed, back there , they were fighting like mens, now they are all pussies
Nikos150 6 months ago
Love Hector
missnikoula 6 months ago
NOOOOOOOOOO! SO SAD!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
alavonman1324 6 months ago
patroclus killed new character unlocked :Achilles bad ass mode!!!!!!!!!!!
greeklow71 6 months ago 14
R.I.P Patroclus... Achilles will come.. But not yet... not yet
fillidor 6 months ago 2
Hector was the best.. No semi-god, not superpowers or something.. Only fighting for his family and country
GothicNight21 6 months ago
That's the only movie Sean Bean didn't die
natanfk2 6 months ago
@natanfk2 They should of had Paris shoot 3 arrows at Sean Bean lol
anythingnew 4 months ago
Hector was kind of stupid finishing him off. Patroclus could've survived it if they were smart enough to apply pressure on it. I mean sure it hurt like shit, but he would've lived and Achilles would most likely get real pissed but if the myrmidons and greeks explained how Hector helped saved his life, than he would've forgiven him and Achilles would go back home, the greeks would lose, troy wouldd remain peaceful. th end.
NFLization 6 months ago
@NFLization He should have finished it, why let him suffer the pain any longer, and then die? He would have died, I mean it was his throat, it's going bleed too much and kill him, also applying pressure in the middle or end of a battle, every one was filthy and so touch that wound and it will get infected and kill him.
RStuts304 6 months ago
@NFLization But I get what your saying...
RStuts304 6 months ago
0:59 When Hector yelled "CHARGE!!!!!!" that gave me goosebumps. Eric Bana is excellent at playing a prince.
NFLization 6 months ago
why couldnt the myrmidons be at the hill instead of downhill cuzz if u charge down hill BAM ur faster god bless gravity
GaryisaRoach 6 months ago
2:51 looks like his masturbation face.
NFLization 6 months ago
When i saw this part, I thought "Shit, Troy had THAT many Trojan troops???" When I saw the first battle, I thought that's all they had.
NFLization 6 months ago
u killed garrett hedlund...............WTF?!
22animeluv1 7 months ago
I think no one's braver than Eudorus !
detheroc98 7 months ago
0:56 -- watching him doing that, I know that ain't Achilles.
detheroc98 7 months ago
even so... this was really logical... when you know you have a great warlord who ain't fighting with you, just bring 1,000,000 leaderless men, you ain't gonna win.
detheroc98 7 months ago
wow, this is nothing like the book
hereforthemusic93 7 months ago
Is it just me or does this send chills down your spine and a tear to your eye at 0:59?
TheLaxAndroid323 7 months ago
to end this shit about achilles and patroclus are gay friends or cousins...what am saying is from illiad its true that they were reffered as lovers in the illiad BUT back then it didnt have the same meaning that it has today and that you all think (couples etc) back then the meaning was very good friends from a very young age(imagine knowing someone your whole life...) if u want you can check by yourselfs
shadowaveness 7 months ago
@shadowaveness Really, my friend, in the Iliad they are referred as lovers? Well, I've read it and didn't find anything like that. Can you tell me the book(s) and the verse(s) where it's said that they had sexual/erotic relationship? Because there are 15,000+ verses in the Iliad and it's not right to say something and not give proofs and quotes from the book.
IMHO the Iliad shows that were good friends and co-fighters, nothing more. Everything else is interpretation (sometimes unsubstantiated).
Lhein33 7 months ago
@Lhein33 read what i said am nt sayitng theyre gays mate...am saying that they were good friends
shadowaveness 7 months ago
soldier who was still fighting when hector and patroclus were staring each other down- 'TAKE THAT! Huh? wha- whats going on?'
ReplayButtonMolester 7 months ago
3:06
Napoligeminus66 8 months ago
This movie was ok. But, in my view it fails because it didnt include the fight over petroclus's body. Truly, most violent and.bloody and shows the warrior values as to how many men were willing to die to take as trophy or bury with honor dead patroclus.
Leona10037 8 months ago
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Lhein33 8 months ago
@Leona10037 It's true that this important scene is missing. The reason is obvious: They wanted to change Hector's character, make him not a warrior of the epic era (tough, a bit savage), but as a gentle and not bellicose man.
Even if I agree with you, I have to add that there are other crucial events they didn't show or showed altered: Menelaus' death, Paris and Helen's escape. Of course I understand that you refered to this scene because it was one that could show the heroic way of life/ethics.
Lhein33 8 months ago
@Lhein33 I think the other scenes are not as crucial as this one. It goes the heart of what it was to be a warrior or soldier and the poetry bleeding in violence is the most amazing scene one could ever read or see in any film. Great warrior went down with the body going back and forth. It is absolutely key to the ethics, values and courage of the Illiad.
Leona10037 8 months ago
I watched the movie and love the book. I dont know Y they say "cousin" when there are many clues that they were lovers. Just Achilles rage and mourning alone, so deep and intense you think he lost the love of his life and naybe he did.
Leona10037 8 months ago
@Leona10037 I believe that when you say "book" you mean the Iliad. It's true that Achilles mourns Patroclus very much there, but I don't think there is any evidence they were couple. Tell me some. As I've said at other videos, the Greeks of the classical era had homosexual relationships, 90% between an adult/man/citizen and a teenager/no-man/no-citizen. I don't think the Mycenean culture or Homer's society had these customs, as far as we know and here we have two adults (Patroclus was older)
Lhein33 8 months ago
@Lhein33 I am not an expert, but honestly Homer would not have written gay or homosexual or bisexual to a truth so well known as to be patently evidently from context. Achilles and Patroclus lived together, practiced together, the tenderness from Achilles toward Petroclus is far sweeter and tender than any Achilles showed any women. Achilles was fiercely protective of Petroclus not wanting him to go into battle. The passionate revenge on Hector is epic in its proportion.
Leona10037 8 months ago
@Leona10037 Achilles may have loved both men and women, but certainly it seems from Homer's writings no woman figured as prominently (save his mother) or had as much impact on him than Patroclus and his death.
Leona10037 8 months ago
@Leona10037 During the classical era, homo relationships were common, but the writers still named them in many cases.
I repeat that we don't have evidence about that kind of relationships in the Mycaenean or Homer's era. Even if we accept the classical era homo relationship, who was erastes and who eromenos?
The tenderness if true but can simply mean a very strong friendship between men with no extension. Don't forget they are called "hetairoi" (ἑταῖροι), co-fighters.
Lhein33 8 months ago
after all patroclus own in tron legacy haha!
fnixirix 8 months ago
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This film has so many errors, and I don't get why they did not include Diomedes in it.
coolcut11 8 months ago
When suddenly achilles (patroclus) arrived Hector's face was like "oh shit not him!!" lol
nightwing2008 8 months ago
Love how Achilles and Patroclus do flips and shit to kill the Trojan soldiers while Hector merely flicks his wrist ^_^.
badasspandamovies 8 months ago
I love this film....went to see it in cinemas 3 times and bought the dvd on the day it was released
xDdraigCymraeg 9 months ago
And so Hector went home from yet another battle, whilst this time he screamed on the way home "FML FML FML FML!"
Nickotak 9 months ago 21
''it was his cousin'', translation, ur dead meat
apelaez97 9 months ago 3
@apelaez97 you're rigth
vinivitkovsk 9 months ago
@vinivitkovsk yup :)
apelaez97 9 months ago
Sucks to be the soldier who died and didn't get to see the fight.
RoyalDog214 9 months ago 3
I laughed how the two opposing armies were just spectating the fight between Hector and Patroclus.
TaZ101SAGA 9 months ago
1:24 is the best clash scene i had ever seen wow
elite01171 9 months ago
Where is that part of movie, when father of hector goes to brad pit for his son's dead body ?
basithry 9 months ago
@basithry Write Brad Pitt & Peter O'Toole and make a search in youtube. We'll find it easily.
Lhein33 9 months ago
@Lhein33 thanks buddy, i will do it !
basithry 9 months ago
i like how men who spent all morning slaughtering each other, just randomly stop fighting, chat a little bit and then walk passed eachother without even a little push on their return to the camp. like true gentlemen covered in blood.
masterharis 9 months ago
@masterharis It was all about honor for them.
gamer12362 9 months ago
the whole battle just stops-- 0.0 wtf
chrisboy008 10 months ago
3:14
....aaaaahhh fuck.
alysonpaigedesigns 10 months ago
In the Illiad wasnt there a mad scramble for Patroclus's corpse as the Trojans fought for Achiilie's armour and the Greeks trying to retrieve it?
Thongger 10 months ago
@Thongger Exactly! It was a great battle that's described in rapsody 17 (Menelaou Aristeia = Excellence of Menelaus) and the first verses of rapsody 18. Hector takes Achilles' armour from the corpse and tries to take the corpse itself in order to desecrate it. Menelaus and others tried to stop him. The battle ended when Achilles came near the battlefield and shouted loudly terrifying the Trojans (with a little help from the gods). The body was rescued. Hector wasn't so magnanimous then...
Lhein33 9 months ago
@Lhein33 ah, thanks for that. yeah, I dont like how they portrayed Hector as some noble honorable warrior here in the movie while the rest of the Greeks are portrayed as barbarians. THere were both heroes and villains on both sides of the war. pity the movie failed the capture that =(
Thongger 9 months ago
@Thongger Couldn't agree more. If someone reads the Iliad, can see the sagacity with which the author creates his characters. There's no manichaeism, no watertights between "good" and "bad" people. It's true that in the film half of the Greeks are depicted as cruel and all the Trojans as noble. But I think the biggest failure was not this clear distinction between the nations, but the failure to show that THE SAME character has good and bad moments, is noble and barbarians, right and wrong
Lhein33 9 months ago
@Thongger The Trojans were also Greeks if you don't know it.
pianote23 9 months ago
@pianote23 i did
Thongger 9 months ago
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Lhein33 9 months ago
Normally one could now flout and mock the Americans for being unable to transfer at least a small glimpse of the epic beauty, power and depth of the Iliad (and its poet Homer of course); but than again: A German director did create this movie and not just a German director like that Roland something coxcomb, who indulges in making stupid movies appealing to the Americans; but Wolfgang Peterson had once directed Das Boot, which is the best submarine warfare movie so far!
FireEyedMaidOfWar 10 months ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar That's why I like Germans :)
aminoacid1648856 8 months ago
@aminoacid1648856: Because you would get else so mad about the Americans that you could no longer refrain yourself to do some mischief to them?
FireEyedMaidOfWar 8 months ago
funny in call of duty a knife is a one hit kill(most of the time)
50zapdos 10 months ago
I love how everyone stops fighting to watch the battle between "Achilies" and Hector. Trojans and Greeks standing dside by side to watch the fight.
FuzzyRabbit2 10 months ago
@fullmetalsaiyan lol yeah but anything that has to do with death isnt a good thing :d
monkeycore1 10 months ago
Gotta admit Patroclus was whoopin ass before he died.
Frolife2 10 months ago 35
@Frolife2 what part? during the fight with hector or before that, cause hector prty much owned the fight idk what fight u were watchin thats like sayin hector was whoopin ass during the fight with achilles before he died
dragolayr 6 months ago
@dragolayr I mean he was killing off all the other soliders
Frolife2 5 months ago
Fucking paris and patroclus will burn in hell forever!
zapbolt 10 months ago
because of this fucking gay Patroclus archilles change hes mind
Crossover3king 10 months ago
Patroclus is gay
Crossover3king 10 months ago
Myrmidoms aint realy smart... not judging anyone here...but achilles has blond hair ...the cousin has clearly brown one. :o and they were running behind him so don't know how they didnt notice it
Swatkiller00 10 months ago
@Swatkiller00 when they noticed it was too late, he was already about to fight hector. the thing is that it was dark and since his couusin ran and moved like him they didnt notice
apelaez97 10 months ago
& that's where the name Pat came from.
Uberboy07 10 months ago
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0:25 is so epic they are so happy about one man
grizzerism 10 months ago
Hector the one who believed he killed Achilles
Ryuk714 10 months ago
i love it how eudorus (the captain) screams after every kill lol
Jaecsky 10 months ago
"It was his cousin" Hectors face was like "Oh shit"
CatzofLUCY 10 months ago 52
@CatzofLUCY Patroclus actually wasn't his cousin but a concubine awarded to Achilles. Achilles became very attached to him though and was enraged by his death at the hands of Hector and then killed and desecrated hector's body.
fullmetalfunk 10 months ago
@CatzofLUCY Well in the books it was his "Butt buddy"
CalebNelson64 9 months ago
@CalebNelson64 Really? Can you give me a verse where this is said in the Iliad? I think Briseis says that Patroclus would be the best man at the her wedding with Achilles...
Lhein33 9 months ago
@Lhein33 No sorry man i can't (those books are just to freaking big!) But it very much so implied that they are lovers.And their relationship inspired Alexander the Great and his boyhood companion Hephaestion. So i am pretty sure there were "lovers" haha
CalebNelson64 9 months ago
@CalebNelson64 Alexander and Hephaestion's relationship and the sexuality of ancient Greeks are a complicated matter and I can't say something for sure. But for Achilles and Patroclus I think there is nothing in the Iliad that shows an erotic relationship. This was an interpretation some Greeks of the 5th century and forth did, but others had a different opinion. Also, in the Iliad, Patroclus is older than Achilles, so a relationship as erastes and eromenos is not possible.
Lhein33 9 months ago
@Lhein33
The fact is that the ancient world was very different from the modern world, especially in relation to the customs and religion. It was a world before Christianity and Islam, monotheistic religions prior to that later established customs, including sexual. If Patroclus was Achilles's lover or not, does not diminish his legend of a great warrior, because it can not be judged with modern eyes.
cesaraugustothanos 9 months ago
@cesaraugustothanos I don't disagree, I know some things about the general matter, but I can't write about them now. Keep in mind, though, that is important not only WHAT was happening, but HOW was it viewed by the society. My comment was about Achilles and Patroclus, as depicted in the Iliad, the original work. There, I am quite sure that there is no reference to a sexual relationship. They are two etairoi (close friends and co-fighters). Show me some verses of the text that show the opposite.
Lhein33 9 months ago
@Lhein33
Nobody knows for sure, because the sources are summed up the Iliad and Odyssey of Homer. Even if no one is sure ever existed Achilles (myth), but in antiquity was relatively common sexual relationships between relatives, even among men.
Just do you research the life of Alexander the Great or the Pharaohs of Egypt. There is nothing objectionable about it, it was another time and another world.
cesaraugustothanos 9 months ago
@cesaraugustothanos Of course we don't know if Achilles existed. But here we don't have just a myth; the Iliad is a literary work and Achilles a literary character. As a character he has some features and I said that a sexual relationship with Patroclus is not one of these. I didn't say if that would be bad or good, I said that the text doesn't say anything like that. Of course some Greeks of the 5th cent BC and forth interpreted the relationship as sexual, but others (Xenophon etc) disagreed.
Lhein33 9 months ago
@Lhein33
In Ancient Greece (Atenas and others) it was common sex between men, there wasn´t the moral sense of modernity and neither was considered an aberration. Because women were considered second-line human, in antiquity.
It was a world before Christianity. The only monotheistic religion of that time was Judaism, and it did not exist in ancient Greece. There isn´t a book about the Trojan War from the perspective of the Trojans, who probably are the descendants of ancient Turkey.
cesaraugustothanos 9 months ago
@cesaraugustothanos That wasn't much of a reply. I have seen you post the same text at other videos too and it doesn't answer my question: Are there verses in the Iliad that show a sexual relathionship between Achilles and Patroclus? I say no, prove the opposite, if you believe so. Ancient Greece was not homogeneous, the Mycenaen culture, the archaic, the classic had differences. The Iliad is from 8th century and Plato's Symposium from 4th. (And, of course, Turks came to Asia Minor about 900 AD)
Lhein33 9 months ago
@Lhein33
Because for me it is a replay, no matter if Achilles and Patroclus were lovers or not. Because it was another world, another time. This is what I am saying and don´t prove the opposite of what you said, because I have read many times Iliad and Odyssey, and Mitology Greece, also.
cesaraugustothanos 9 months ago
@cesaraugustothanos Congratulations for reading these great works and searching about mythology, I try to do the same sometimes. You said that you don't care and don't "judge" Achilles and Patroclus. But I didn't ask you this, neither I expressed a moral judgement. I know it was "another world, another time". I asked a question based on a text, not a myth or an interpretation and I didn't dispute homoeroticism of ancient Greeks, only of these 2 characters of the Iliad. Have a nice day
Lhein33 9 months ago
@CatzofLUCY if you read the iliad Patroclus and Achilles are lovers not cousins
brightonhamster 6 months ago
@brightonhamster Have you ever read the Iliad? I believe you have, otherwise it's a bit stupid to talk about it with such certainty.
Tell me then, where in the Iliad they are called lovers? Where in the Ilaid they are seen having sex or saying something that indicates a sexual relationship between them? Tell me the rapsody and the verse(s). Since we talk about a scientific matter, we have to act scientifically rather than saying whatever we want, even in a yt video.
Lhein33 6 months ago
@brightonhamster They were both, actually and they were only believed to be lovers because Achilles revenge is a littel too sadistic for someone who lost a cousin....
101Witch101 6 months ago
@101Witch101 If your only argument for their homosexual relationship is this, it's too weak IMO. Erotic love is not the only stronf affection. Perhaps you are influenced by modern films, where the hero makes everything for his lover, while other strong relationships (friendship, brotherly love) are omitted.
For the warlike society of the Iliad, co-fighters are like brothers and it's natural for one of them to want to punish the other's killer.
Lhein33 6 months ago
Aaah, the fool. The fool that thought he had slain Achilles.
If only it was that easy.
TheEnglishViking1 10 months ago
i just like the, "thats enough for today"...."yeah....ok everyone, back to the ship we'll start again tomorrow"
absolutetuber 10 months ago
i love how it showed a scene where a seemingless endless wave of soldiers from both sides clashed on the beach, and yet, when a 5 foot circle opens up in the middle, everyone legit stops to watch. They were mixed in the crowd too, how do you just stop to watch? of course it's hollywood lol
wutever22 10 months ago
@wutever22 Thats is how Homer describes it in Iliad. When 2 heroes of opposite sides met in battle, they were left alone to battle it out. That why everybody stops and give them space to duel!!!
SSuG4R 10 months ago
dam that sucks.. hector was so sad to kill him
monkeycore1 11 months ago
NO!!! Not Garrett ... :'(
Suripuri11 11 months ago
poor patroclus :( </3
TheWoodlandBerry 11 months ago
Hector the military genius "archers to the rear" ...
quezcatol 11 months ago
Daamn I feel sooo epic when they are sad and think they gonna die,, than the music starts everyone : " ACHILIES" and he ran shiitt soooooooo epic love this movie..
msjacob212 11 months ago
Patroclus was my favorite person in this entire movie :( I cried for two hours after he died. No joke.
pyromaniac2215 11 months ago
3:54
-Time out?
-Ya, time out.
originalarmo 11 months ago
it sucks to be in the first line
rollenbo15 11 months ago 117
@rollenbo15 lmao i was thinking the same i would stand back alll in the back save jacking off to the fine ladies
inforcerer 11 months ago
@rollenbo15 actually, the romans changed that, if you ought for like 30-40 seconds, the guy behind you dragged you back and you went to the lines behind.
quezcatol 11 months ago
@quezcatol 40 seconds in the frontline? i dont think that the second man will wait 15 sec until he is in the action too :D
rollenbo15 11 months ago
@rollenbo15 yes, im just saying that romans in that way could improve the morale for the frontline trops + always have fresh trops.
It was a smart tactic and it worked.
quezcatol 11 months ago
@rollenbo15 not if you are next to the king or general :)
ikarus435 9 months ago
1:49 die cameraman
iNsAnEsLuGz 1 year ago
If that really *had* been Achilles and he had fought Hector on the battlefield there, it would have been the greatest duel ever, much closer than the actual one that happened later.
SuperBajack 1 year ago
@SuperBajack ,
Hector had fear of Achilles. In battlefield he run of Achilles, in the gates of Troy, after the death of Patroclus (Iliada).
cesaraugustothanos 1 year ago
@cesaraugustothanos That was in the Iliad which was written by Homer, a Greek. Naturally he would want to make it seem as though Hector was scared of the greatest Greek champion, even though that may not have been the case. Anyways, I'm talking about the movie Hector. This fight would have been super close had Patroclus been Achilles and not Patroclus.
SuperBajack 1 year ago
thats doesnt fare
987elmo 1 year ago
Soldiers stopping fighting to watch their leaders decide the outcome of the battle...
This concept is too distant for us to understand.
Nowadays we would take advantage of distractions to kill our enem-No wait, we would ignore them and go straight to bomb their homes and families!
Aechis 1 year ago