Nice Video That You Share , So Very Nice Thanks You This is a major milestone in my 1986 Pontiac Fiero electric car conversion project. After numerous delays getting the correct adapting hardware for the new motor to the old transaxle
I Really Like The Video From Your After numerous delays getting the correct adapting hardware for the new motor to the old transaxle, we finally mounted the clutch and motor assembly onto the transaxle and frame of the car
I love to see initiative on conversion projects, but I dislike much that still continue to use heavy and inefficient brushed motors. Is not there best technology in the USA.? As an engineer I dedicate myself to do conversions on demand but with BLDC motors are more efficient even than AC induction motors. I hope to become aware of the materials used. Developed controllers and high performance BLDC Motors in Chile. CoNTAC: giturriaga1 at hotmail dot com
@mariahayde You may be able to answer this, I just saw a converted car working well, the problem was a 30 mile battery limit. That was with 12 deep cycle batteries very heavy. Made me think why not use one or more small magnetic motor(s) in conjunction with the moving parts while driving to charge the batteries. Do you know if that is being worked on?
are working effectively with efficient motors (BLDC), see the Volt, Leaf. I-MiEV, C-Zero ... I think an insult to the intelligence Brush DC motors use ... are very heavy and the range of excitation current to move is high. You must also consider the weight of vehicles, aerodimanica, and terrain. It's always good to balance a conversion of a good performance. If you are interested I can sell you a BLDC Motor + Controller kit, but you tell me that car is (model, year, etc..) Greetings from Chile.
@nate0031 it makes sense to me, anything that spins has the potential to be a generator. Good news! Cold fusion was just proven this year, that could change things big time. Cold fusion was being denied for more then 20 years by scientists employed by big business. Thousands of invention rights have been bought by the big guys, then they bury the ideas. Keeping us burning fossil fuel. Just imagine where we could be by now, if not for these old greedy dinosaurs.
@pkmusicproject I'm not up to date on cold fusion theory, but to the idea of attaching generators to the wheels of the car to recharge the batteries could not work. It takes X amount of power to drive the vehicle down the road at a given speed. Ergo X amount of power is sent to the wheels by the motor. The motor pulls the required power from the batteries. For a generator to power the motor, it would require more input force than the motor produces, as neither are 100% efficient.
@pkmusicproject Ergo, generators attached to the wheels powering the motor would cause an additional drag to the motor, demanding more force from the motor to overcome the drag, which intern requires more power, causing more resistance from the generators, drawing more force from the motor, and the cycle continues. I used to try and make that principal work, but it just isn't possible, not unless there is some miraculous breakthrough in technology.
@nate0031 I see, let's focus on the drive shaft, If you attach small copper coils, and then build a stationary hub around that containing magnets or visa versa, your saying that would cause drag? I'm new to all this, but seeing some of the designs, of magnetic generators, drag doesn't appear to be an issue. I could be really off.
@pkmusicproject Correct. At first glance, it wouldn't seem to create drag, but due to Lenz's law, it does. Take an alternator. Its very easy to spin it by hand when it is under no load. However, no load means no electrons are moving and the circuit is open. For example, when a complete circuit is connected, the magnets induce a current onto stationary windings, however, Lenz law says an induced current always has a magnetic field that opposes the magnetic field it was induced by.
@pkmusicproject So as soon as electrons start flowing, a current is being induced (as current is the movement of electrons). Now the magnetic field produced in the windings is in opposition to the magnetic field present in the rotating magnet. This makes it more difficult for the magnet to move. If a larger electrical load is applied, more electrons must flow, meaning more current is induced into the windings.
@pkmusicproject Since the magnetic field generated in the windings is proportional to the electrons flowing through the windings, a stronger magnetic field is produced, causing even more opposing force to the rotating magnet. Ergo, the more power you pull from a generator, the more force it takes to rotate the magnet. An interesting and very related phenomenon is eddy currents. It's essentially the exact same thing, except it is typically observed in linear motion.
@pkmusicproject There are some very interesting videos on here about them. Here's one: /watch?v=kU6NSh7hr7Q (just copy and paste that right after the .com in the youtube url)
You really know a lot about this electric car stuff. I am finally learning something. My goal is to convert my riding moving to electric first. That will give me some experience. Then, I want to convert my 1998 ford windstar to all electric. I know I need to change my automatic transmission to a manual transmission. How did you connect the electric motor to your transmission? That is one of my major problems. thanks
@robviolin1 - I was lucky in that the Fiero came with a manual transmission and that it was a transmission people commonly used to convert their vehicles to electric. (Its the same one as you'll find in the Chevy S10's of the same era) Because both my motor and transmission were quite common, all I had to do was buy a motor output schaft to flywheel converter and a motor mount to transmission mount converter.The big red plate you see in the video is the motor mount. The other is hidden inside.
@robviolin1 - I'll respond in 2 posts because this is an involved explanation. First: putting pressure on the gearbox. Normally, you'd depress the clutch and then move the shifter from 2nd gear into 3rd without any kind of obstructions along the way. What will happen with no clutch is you'll pull it out of second and attempt to push it into third. At this point the motor will be moving faster than the transmission input. Until the motor reaches the same speed as the transmission, you need to
(continued from below) - maintain constant gentle pressure on the shifter as if you're trying to put it into third. Too much pressure and you'll grind the gears, too little and you'll miss the point at which the motor and gearbox are at the same speed. If you put the right amount of pressure on the shifter, it'll just pop in when its ready.
@robviolin1 - Second: The Nissan Leaf's drive train vs mine. The main difference between the leaf and my car is that my electric motor runs on DC current and the Leaf runs on AC current. The reason this is important for the drive train is that AC motor's have a much higher RPM range (up to 14000 rpm) than my DC motor (5500 rpm) because of this they are able to use just one gear for all the driving they do. For me, 2nd gear redlines at 55 mph so I need 3rd to drive on the freeway.
(continued from below) - It is also possible that I could use third at all times to drive even around town. The motor has enough power to do that. I use second though for two reasons: First, the motor has a fan built into the rotor that works best above 3000 rpm so the motor stays cooler in second gear which is better for its overall lifespan. Second, there's even more torque at the wheels in second gear which is more fun to drive with. :D
@robviolin1 - You can also find a lot of this information on my website. If you have more in depth questions you can also email me, send me a YouTube message, or comment on one of my website's articles, none of which have a size limit.
@robviolin1 - My car does still have a clutch, but even without a clutch it's possible to shift gears, just far more dangerous to your transmission. I would recomend keeping your clutch if you're going to keep your transmission. If you can't however, you can shift from 2nd to 3rd by pulling it out of second and keeping pressure on the gearbox to go into third. Once the rpm's match from the motor decelerating, the gears will naturally align and it will slide into third.
@robviolin1 - Though you may have a manual transmission in the vehicle, it often feels like driving an automatic. When you stop you don't have to use the clutch because an electric motor doesn't stall the same way an ICE can. I also rarely ever use 1st or 4th gear. With my transaxle, I keep it in 2nd all the way up to 50 mph (reline is at 55 for 2nd gear) and only shift into 3rd for freeway driving. I try to shift as little as possible because its really easy to burn the clutch.
@robviolin1 - You could connect an electric motor like mine to an automatic transmission but you may not get the results you're hoping for. With an internal combustion engine, there's a specific torque and power curve that dictate where the motor runs best in it's rpm range. The A/T gearboxes that are then attached to those engines are designed to keep the engines in their most efficient running rpm. With electric motors though, that curve is different enough to make an A/T tranny ineffective.
@Aleks7923 This is a 9" Advanced DC motor. A usable shaft protrudes from each end of the motor. Its called the WarP 9 from NetGain. There are many sources to get this motor from as it is relatively popular in the EV world.
can you get your hands on lithium batteries these seem to make a whale of a difference?
bissel100 3 weeks ago
Nice Video That You Share , So Very Nice Thanks You This is a major milestone in my 1986 Pontiac Fiero electric car conversion project. After numerous delays getting the correct adapting hardware for the new motor to the old transaxle
fitnesus 3 weeks ago
I Really Like The Video From Your After numerous delays getting the correct adapting hardware for the new motor to the old transaxle, we finally mounted the clutch and motor assembly onto the transaxle and frame of the car
lupabuatchannel 3 weeks ago
Your Video Is Very Useful Sharing This is a major milestone in my 1986 Pontiac Fiero electric car conversion project.
cenedywong 3 weeks ago
i dont think u have to have a munuel trans
skullin67 1 month ago
I love to see initiative on conversion projects, but I dislike much that still continue to use heavy and inefficient brushed motors. Is not there best technology in the USA.? As an engineer I dedicate myself to do conversions on demand but with BLDC motors are more efficient even than AC induction motors. I hope to become aware of the materials used. Developed controllers and high performance BLDC Motors in Chile. CoNTAC: giturriaga1 at hotmail dot com
mariahayde 6 months ago
@mariahayde You may be able to answer this, I just saw a converted car working well, the problem was a 30 mile battery limit. That was with 12 deep cycle batteries very heavy. Made me think why not use one or more small magnetic motor(s) in conjunction with the moving parts while driving to charge the batteries. Do you know if that is being worked on?
pkmusicproject 4 months ago
are working effectively with efficient motors (BLDC), see the Volt, Leaf. I-MiEV, C-Zero ... I think an insult to the intelligence Brush DC motors use ... are very heavy and the range of excitation current to move is high. You must also consider the weight of vehicles, aerodimanica, and terrain. It's always good to balance a conversion of a good performance. If you are interested I can sell you a BLDC Motor + Controller kit, but you tell me that car is (model, year, etc..) Greetings from Chile.
mariahayde 4 months ago
@pkmusicproject Are you suggesting that small generators be attached to the wheels or something to generate electricity as the car drives?
nate0031 1 month ago
@nate0031 it makes sense to me, anything that spins has the potential to be a generator. Good news! Cold fusion was just proven this year, that could change things big time. Cold fusion was being denied for more then 20 years by scientists employed by big business. Thousands of invention rights have been bought by the big guys, then they bury the ideas. Keeping us burning fossil fuel. Just imagine where we could be by now, if not for these old greedy dinosaurs.
pkmusicproject 1 month ago
@pkmusicproject I'm not up to date on cold fusion theory, but to the idea of attaching generators to the wheels of the car to recharge the batteries could not work. It takes X amount of power to drive the vehicle down the road at a given speed. Ergo X amount of power is sent to the wheels by the motor. The motor pulls the required power from the batteries. For a generator to power the motor, it would require more input force than the motor produces, as neither are 100% efficient.
nate0031 1 month ago
@pkmusicproject Ergo, generators attached to the wheels powering the motor would cause an additional drag to the motor, demanding more force from the motor to overcome the drag, which intern requires more power, causing more resistance from the generators, drawing more force from the motor, and the cycle continues. I used to try and make that principal work, but it just isn't possible, not unless there is some miraculous breakthrough in technology.
nate0031 1 month ago
@nate0031 I see, let's focus on the drive shaft, If you attach small copper coils, and then build a stationary hub around that containing magnets or visa versa, your saying that would cause drag? I'm new to all this, but seeing some of the designs, of magnetic generators, drag doesn't appear to be an issue. I could be really off.
pkmusicproject 1 month ago
@pkmusicproject Correct. At first glance, it wouldn't seem to create drag, but due to Lenz's law, it does. Take an alternator. Its very easy to spin it by hand when it is under no load. However, no load means no electrons are moving and the circuit is open. For example, when a complete circuit is connected, the magnets induce a current onto stationary windings, however, Lenz law says an induced current always has a magnetic field that opposes the magnetic field it was induced by.
nate0031 1 month ago
@pkmusicproject So as soon as electrons start flowing, a current is being induced (as current is the movement of electrons). Now the magnetic field produced in the windings is in opposition to the magnetic field present in the rotating magnet. This makes it more difficult for the magnet to move. If a larger electrical load is applied, more electrons must flow, meaning more current is induced into the windings.
nate0031 1 month ago
@pkmusicproject Since the magnetic field generated in the windings is proportional to the electrons flowing through the windings, a stronger magnetic field is produced, causing even more opposing force to the rotating magnet. Ergo, the more power you pull from a generator, the more force it takes to rotate the magnet. An interesting and very related phenomenon is eddy currents. It's essentially the exact same thing, except it is typically observed in linear motion.
nate0031 1 month ago
@pkmusicproject There are some very interesting videos on here about them. Here's one: /watch?v=kU6NSh7hr7Q (just copy and paste that right after the .com in the youtube url)
nate0031 1 month ago
ok - thanks
robviolin1 1 year ago
You really know a lot about this electric car stuff. I am finally learning something. My goal is to convert my riding moving to electric first. That will give me some experience. Then, I want to convert my 1998 ford windstar to all electric. I know I need to change my automatic transmission to a manual transmission. How did you connect the electric motor to your transmission? That is one of my major problems. thanks
robviolin1 1 year ago
@robviolin1 - I was lucky in that the Fiero came with a manual transmission and that it was a transmission people commonly used to convert their vehicles to electric. (Its the same one as you'll find in the Chevy S10's of the same era) Because both my motor and transmission were quite common, all I had to do was buy a motor output schaft to flywheel converter and a motor mount to transmission mount converter.The big red plate you see in the video is the motor mount. The other is hidden inside.
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
ok - thanks and thanks for sharing with us.
robviolin1 1 year ago
How do you keep pressure on the gearbox when move from 2nd to 3rd?
If you look at the Nissan Leaf, it does not even have a transmission.
robviolin1 1 year ago
@robviolin1 - I'll respond in 2 posts because this is an involved explanation. First: putting pressure on the gearbox. Normally, you'd depress the clutch and then move the shifter from 2nd gear into 3rd without any kind of obstructions along the way. What will happen with no clutch is you'll pull it out of second and attempt to push it into third. At this point the motor will be moving faster than the transmission input. Until the motor reaches the same speed as the transmission, you need to
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
(continued from below) - maintain constant gentle pressure on the shifter as if you're trying to put it into third. Too much pressure and you'll grind the gears, too little and you'll miss the point at which the motor and gearbox are at the same speed. If you put the right amount of pressure on the shifter, it'll just pop in when its ready.
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
@robviolin1 - Second: The Nissan Leaf's drive train vs mine. The main difference between the leaf and my car is that my electric motor runs on DC current and the Leaf runs on AC current. The reason this is important for the drive train is that AC motor's have a much higher RPM range (up to 14000 rpm) than my DC motor (5500 rpm) because of this they are able to use just one gear for all the driving they do. For me, 2nd gear redlines at 55 mph so I need 3rd to drive on the freeway.
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
(continued from below) - It is also possible that I could use third at all times to drive even around town. The motor has enough power to do that. I use second though for two reasons: First, the motor has a fan built into the rotor that works best above 3000 rpm so the motor stays cooler in second gear which is better for its overall lifespan. Second, there's even more torque at the wheels in second gear which is more fun to drive with. :D
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
@robviolin1 - You can also find a lot of this information on my website. If you have more in depth questions you can also email me, send me a YouTube message, or comment on one of my website's articles, none of which have a size limit.
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
How can you shift from 2nd to 3rd without a clutch?
robviolin1 1 year ago
@robviolin1 - My car does still have a clutch, but even without a clutch it's possible to shift gears, just far more dangerous to your transmission. I would recomend keeping your clutch if you're going to keep your transmission. If you can't however, you can shift from 2nd to 3rd by pulling it out of second and keeping pressure on the gearbox to go into third. Once the rpm's match from the motor decelerating, the gears will naturally align and it will slide into third.
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
I see. Ok, I understand better. I guess I should use a manual transmission. Thanks for the information.
robviolin1 1 year ago
@robviolin1 - Though you may have a manual transmission in the vehicle, it often feels like driving an automatic. When you stop you don't have to use the clutch because an electric motor doesn't stall the same way an ICE can. I also rarely ever use 1st or 4th gear. With my transaxle, I keep it in 2nd all the way up to 50 mph (reline is at 55 for 2nd gear) and only shift into 3rd for freeway driving. I try to shift as little as possible because its really easy to burn the clutch.
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
can you connect to a automatic transmission?
robviolin1 1 year ago
@robviolin1 - You could connect an electric motor like mine to an automatic transmission but you may not get the results you're hoping for. With an internal combustion engine, there's a specific torque and power curve that dictate where the motor runs best in it's rpm range. The A/T gearboxes that are then attached to those engines are designed to keep the engines in their most efficient running rpm. With electric motors though, that curve is different enough to make an A/T tranny ineffective.
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
i want too se it finished!!!!! looks like your doing a A+ job :)
coombsy16 1 year ago
thanks
Aleks7923 1 year ago
where did you buy motor and what brand, model, is it double shaft and is it dc or ac? thanks
Aleks7923 1 year ago
@Aleks7923 This is a 9" Advanced DC motor. A usable shaft protrudes from each end of the motor. Its called the WarP 9 from NetGain. There are many sources to get this motor from as it is relatively popular in the EV world.
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
that's sooo sick!!!!!!
Rockclimer8 1 year ago
@Rockclimer8
Thanks!
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
hi. you could give me technical information for the model of electric motor
tonnygar 2 years ago
@tonnygar The electric motor is the Warp 9: an Advanced DC 9" motor made by Netgain.
roboticmayhem 1 year ago
Very nice quality video. Loads quickly. Great picture. What did you use to make your video? This should be youtube recommended.
Great! Keep up the good work. I'll go ahead and sub you to get updates of this project.
V8Fiero2M8 2 years ago