the western world is very ignorant abt Indian history and in general eastern history. they ought to stfu and stop flooding the world with bullshit publications.
well i think that maybe all martial arts have there own bases but ik 4 a fact the 1st buddha was from india but still saying all martial arts come from 1 is like saying 1 person created writing in general it may be true but very very very unlikely and all r very different now with sum being similar others being very different.im not saying this isnt where kung fu came from cuz thats true but its not the mother of all martial arts
well i think that maybe all martial arts have there own bases but ik 4 a fact the 1st buddha was from india but still saying all martial arts come from 1 is like saying 1 person created writing in general it may be true but very very very unlikely and all r very different now with sum being similar others being very different
Kerala today was part of a tamil kingdom were Kalaripayattu was practised..Our forefathers acheived great things that after 1000 years still makes us proud..but we are only capable of fighting a war of words behind computer screens..
I do however will state that India is one of the most spiritual enlighten places on planet earth to a cosmic level and because of this i want to visit in order to only learn the way of the great sage to be one with our cosmic surroundings.
There is not conformation of Kalaripayattu being the mother of martial arts when in greece has the oldest form of defense technique. i also believe that Kalaripayattu seems to not be the birth of shaolin arts because the shaolin monastery is also not share is secrets of deadly pressure point and master the body to such of a degree to peak conditioning. so i argue that this Kalaripayattu is not the birth of martial art but a very old fighting style.
india is the greatest country.do you know we people used to perform face surgeries at the time u can't even cure common cold. now stop talking rubbish about my motherlang & get out of hare
@voneinemkindgefict no retard...he'l rip your dirty tongue out of your mouth and throw it in the trash where it belong because americans have the worst oral hygiene along with brits...and the lowest iq and competency. not to mention racist, inbred and retarded. dick.
@lsdeeee420 Americans are dirty? Look at the ganges..you savages drink from it and wash in it. Its filled with shit and rotting corpses. Picking at your teeth with sticks, staring blankly with your shit smeared palms.
@voneinemkindgefict yeah..americans are fuckin dirty..you guys have the worst oral hygiene on the planet..and the lowest iq...pickin on poor people in my country?..atleast we dont live in trailers on welfare fuckin our sisters producing inbred autistic dislexic diseased white trash like yourself...lol..ur a real class act...typical american racist shit...say that to your daddy when hes pickin his teeth with his sisters pubes u puny impotent inbred cracker.i pity ur basement dwelling retarded ass
@lsdeeee420 You are funny. Come to America and start a cult. I will declare you a Guru and you will get all the exotic yellow bearded pussy you desire. To be fair, I don't disagree with your assessment of Americans. I love and hate all races equally. In fact all are beneath me, but you have some backbone and are proud to be Indian so you must be more intelligent. Take your place as a god-king among the hippies in America.
@voneinemkindgefict and dude..its cute..how your trying to intellectualize your ignorant point of view...''exotic myellow bearded pussy''????pardon me...u stupid elaborate wannabe douche...can't u just say blonde pussy?...and no dude...we dont find ugly light shades of yellow attractive...maybe in your albino minded fucked up world blinde is exotic..but please dude...ud find even a polar bear exotic dude...fuck blondes..cheap..stupid..trashy..just like your mother..dumb racist prick
@lsdeeee420 Maybe you have had too much weed. I didn't try to intellectualize anything. I see that you are a fool. They type of fool that allowed the British to conquer monkeys like you and force their sister to give handjobs and look up to British maams.
@voneinemkindgefict LOL....listen up u stupid pale albino inbred son of a double up sister/mother/aunt/slut.....the only one whos mother fucks for free....is YOU...and trust me...i wouldnt waste a dime on her stupid redneck white trash ass......speaking of which.....where the fuck do u think u came from?..wow...u shouldv gone to school like the other human beings...instead ur dumb redneck mom taught u in the basement...illiterate uneducated RACIST cliche retarded autistic americunt fuck
@lsdeeee420 I agree. There are negative people here in America. A lot of which I wish they had a chance to go to school to realize how much the same every person and race can be. Or even have the right guidance to figure these aspects in life out. But to show hate to a person will not teach them anything. It is air to their fire. Just know there are humane people here in this country. There are the negatives in every country. Some less than others. But everyone needs help.
@arvind0303 Yesterday in American history another unwashed Indian called me telling me he was from Boston. How proud are you savages when you can't sell anything by telling the truth? You are England Jr. and you do a bad job of it. You are just Pakistani's with loose morals and fat women. This is why it is a mercy when they are raped...a mercy to those ugly fat women who only have dirty fuckers like you poking at their rat holes.
@voneinemkindgefict dude i pity ur inbred ass....ur dirtier than the shit that comes out of the most diseased unhygeinic beggar in india.......n by u....i mean the steaming hot dump ur mother took.......the time u were born
@voneinemkindgefict stop rambling incoherently you stupid racist low iq having arrogant inbred redneck trash..the hippies in america got a better backbone that your cyber junkie psuedo intelligent ass...apart from being a proud indian...im proud to be more intelligent, cultured, aware, and useful, than a fuckin good for nothing stupid deluded waste of space and life like yourself...u stupid waste of space good for nothin white nigger..even a cockroach is a god in front of your pathetic ass
@voneinemkindgefict again...some incoherent shit from a high school drop out with the iq of a fuckin blunt..u aint exactly the product of a free country u stupid illiterate uneducated dumb redneck inbred dislexic white trash..the kind whos dad married his own sister..wait i mean his own mother..racist twats like u i shit on everyday u white nigger.maybe u a little drunk off ur daddys cum..so il make it clear.nothin u say makes any sense u dumb albino fuck..go wank to ur sis n do whatchu good at
@lsdeeee420 You are funny, but have done too many drugs. Talk to you next week when you call me trying to sell me something. Indians are funny..they call with their Indian accents and claim to be from Texas. Indian culture is a fragment of what it was before British ruled you. Now you sad fucks want to be British.
@voneinemkindgefict shut the fuck up u deluded white trash inbred limp dick...n let me get back to fuckin yo momma for a quarter...dumb little social reject racist trailer park american trash
@lsdeeee420 Do you know how easy it is to bed married Indian women? For having invented the Kama Sutra Indian men are the worst lovers on Earth. I was was jogging cross country through some gardens and suddenly nearly bumped into an Indian woman from a rich home. It didn't take me anything at all to get her moaning underneath me without a condom. Her kid will be white and more valuable in the eyes of her own people. Cheaper than hookers and desperate for attention. Maybe I know your mama?
@voneinemkindgefict .. Hi im a Indian, and I find somethings you said were correct. But it is not fair to talk about us like racists. coz we may have a racist attack on others, please read from the history, you were telling something about language firstly you should know my language tamil is older more than 3000yrs. before 15,000 BC we lived a civilized life. We taught the the civilization to the entire world. Also some parts of my place sunk many years ago. expecting your reply friend ... :-)
@arvind0303 You are absolutely correct. India is the last remnant of the world civilization that came before the ice age. It is also the root of culture in this age. I am not racist against Indians I just like to make jokes. I am equally racist so by definition I can't be racist.
@voneinemkindgefict , Happy to see your reply, you may not be a racist(but I am a little bit ). So could you explain something about American history like how do people got there on that place, and how do u guys speak English and so ...
@arvind0303 I was born here. I had no choice. I had no say or part in anything my certain ancestors have done. But do you think knowing the genocidal effects of what took place in this country warms my heart? It does not. I know what has happened before. But to understand peace means that any burdens that have happened before will not and shall not happen anymore through my bloodline. I love all. I understand all. I know this world has suffering. And every person needs guidance.
@arvind0303 There is bad in every country. And there is good in every country. Despite race, we are still the same human beings. Despite our color, we all have the same emotions and physical components. Just know I care about you friend. Unconditional love will help others see truth. Everybody needs guidance. =]
@voneinemkindgefict dude.u are a fuckin racist.if someone were to fight verbally with your unhygeinic ass.they would probably get tb or aids.cuz ppl like u have horrible oral hygeine.n plus ur so white that ur teeth look fuckin yellow.fluorosis infected hiv afflicted inbred low iq having hypocritic loser fuck.stop having periods on youtube.it isnt like u guys have the best hygeine down there either.stds come dime a dozen where u live.probably cuz ur momma's in the neighbourhood yeah...XD..inbred
@voneinemkindgefict now let me get back to smokin my vaporiser before i fuck ur diseased mother with two condoms again right here....decipher those comments....get an education....stop trying to sound intellectual when ur basically full of shit....u stupid illiterate uneducated basement product...fuckin inbred autistic douche....dam america has some losers....run along little girl...buy a tampon instead of having your racist bloody periods on youtubes...ull get fucked like the bitch on heat u r
@voneinemkindgefict is that the history lesson ur mommy gave u in the basement/?oops i mean ur aunt. sister hell i dunno how one female can double up and be EVERYTHING in your trailer park inbred single bloodline retarded family tree LMFAO.but the basement.with ur dumb family whoring mother as the teacher.ISNT EDUCATION..get an education..actually get a life first..then try to decipher what i wrote..and see how comprehensively i fucked ur dirty mother here..u stupid racist youtube bitch on heat
The Oldest Martial Arts emanate from Africa & were transmitted to India through Egypt. Much of India's Ancient Traditions owe a debt to the Blacks who still reside there, their physiognomy still very much apparent, although their bloodline is very much attenuated due to the admixture of Native Indian Blacks. In fact the Most Sacred of India's rivers is named Ganges in honor of a Pharaoh. This transmission of knowledge in the Arts & Sciences occurred in a very remote epoch.
Martial arts existed in China over 2500 years before Bodhidharma. Shaolin is just one branch of kung fu and it's contributions in the development of Chinese fighting systems occured much later in the history of China. Hence it's impossible to conclusively state that kung fu came from Kalaripayattu.
"India appears to be the birthplace of at least 2 more bare handed martial arts Vajramushti and kalari payat.Evidence seems to indicate that vajramushti was very first karate like technique and that it was commonly practiced by kshtriya or warrior caste.kalari payat is an ancient art and may have been influenced by vajramushti.It was practised in northern india as well as southern India,its date go back over five thousand years but it has become known outside india only recently"-BRUCE HAINES.
@broulys1729 Tamil-based arts variously called ati tata (hit/defend), ati murai (law of hitting), varma ati (hitting the vital spots), or chinna ati (Chinese hitting)[8].
""] Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalaripayattu, estimates that kalarippayattu dates back to AT LEAST the 12th century CE.""------wiki. "at least" means IT HAS POSSIBILITY OF GOING EVEN B4 THAT.
HE DID"NT DISCLOSE THIS POSSIBILITY. he just gave the lower limit.
"The martial tradition of Kalaripayattu IS ALSO dated to ancient DRAVIDIAN TRADITIONS"
@broulys1729 LOL wishful thinking. every estimate is around 11th century to 12th century. just because he said at least for 12, and someone else say 11 doesnt mean anything.
and you are mistaking kalari (the schooling tradition used in sangnam) and kalari payyattu, the fighting didnt come until later.
""THE COMBAT TECHNIQUES OF SANGAM PERIOD WERE THE EARLIEST PRECURSORS TO KALARIPAYAT.Kalari payat became more developed during the 9th century and was practiced by a section of the Nair community, warrior clan of Kerala, to defend the state and the king""
during the battle of cheras and cholas modern form of kalaripayat emerged as we see it today.
Pan published his version of the Yijin Jing under the title Weisheng Yaoshu (衛生要術, Essential Techniques for Guarding Life) in 1858. Hu explained the manual did not mention Bodhidharma, and that Pan himself likened the Muscle-Changing qigong to a Daoist exercise. [16]
@angryaznman 1)The 12 Posture Moving Exercise describes what is called the 12 fists of Bodhidharma in Many southern martial arts most notably Hung Gar and Wing chun. Ascribing the 12 exercises to 12 animals that Bodhidharma studied after his 9 years of meditation.
2)Written evidence of martial arts in Southern India dates back to the Tamil Sangam literature of about the 2nd century BC to the 2nd century AD.
@broulys1729 Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
@angryaznman In the southern peninsula of India there is CLEAR EVIDENCE showing that martial arts were practiced during the 6' AND 7" CENTURY. Sculpted forms in the ancient temples at Kanchipuram near Madras SHOW COMPLEX DISARMING TECHNIQUES as well as several weapons used during that period. There is also the eyewitness account of Huang-Tsang, a Chinese pilgrim. This famous scholar and diplomat wrote in great derail about the weapons he saw during his journey through various parts of India
@broulys1729 In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
@broulys1729 In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
@broulys1729 Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
So if Bodhidharma didn’t write it, who did? Researchers have suggested two different people. In a series of articles appearing in Black Belt Magazine during the 1960’s William Hu stated physical copies of the manual could not be traced back any further than the mid-19th century. He also claimed the author was a provincial governor of Hubei called Pan Wei (潘蔚), who was apparently adept in Chinese medicine and qigong.
In fact, the idea of the Zen patriarch physically teaching monks martial arts did not come about until the publishing of a highly popular satirical novel entitled The Travels of Lao Can (老殘遊記) in a magazine between 1904 and 1907. The author apparently confused the qigong attributed to Bodhidharma with martial arts.
This mistake was then echoed in the proceeding novel Shaolin School Methods published in a newspaper serial in 1910, and an altered reprint in 1915 called Secrets of Shaolin Boxing.
There is no way Bodhidharma could have taught the monks martial arts or even written the two manuals if Chinese records do not attest to his presence at Shaolin during his own lifetime. As far as martial arts are concerned, researchers have analyzed documents going back 250 years, and there are some that mention both Bodhidharma and Shaolin martial arts, but never connect the two. [14]
Analysis of outside sources show Bodhidharma had no historical connection to the monastery or the development of its martial arts during his life time. According to Prof. Meir Shahar: In the sixth-century Record of Buddhist Monasteries in Louyang (Luoyang qielan ji) (ca. 547), [Bodhidharma]* is said to have visited the city, but no allusion is made to the nearby Mt. Song[, where Shaolin is located].
Niu Gao’s preface is dated 1142, but he refers to Emperor Qinzhong (欽宗), a posthumous temple name that was not bestowed until 1161. [11]
* Yue Fei’s family and state memoirs do not mention him studying under a monk. He did study under two men with possible military backgrounds, but records do not allude to them having any affiliation with Buddhist monasteries. [12]
Li Jing’s preface is dated 628, but the Indian holy man Paramiti (fl. 705), who is said to have translated the Yijin Jing from Sanskrit into Chinese years before the general received it, wasn’t born until much later.
A battle formation said to have been utilized by Li Jing in the first preface comes from Ming Dynasty fiction. [9]
A Venerated Forgery: The Daoist Origins of Shaolin’s Famous Yijin Jing Manual By Jim R. McClanahan.
Unfortunately, the prefaces were written centuries after these generals died. There are many anachronistic mistakes and flat out fictions that point to this. I will list some of them:
In the course of his research, Matsuda found no mention of—let alone attribution to—Bodhidharma in any of the numerous texts written about the Shaolin martial arts[8] before the 19th century.
LOL POOR INDIAN. there were NUMEROUS texts that survive the destruction. magically ONLY the ones who talk about bodhi were destroyed.
According to legend, the Yijin Jing was said to be left behind by Bodhidharma after his departure from the Shaolin Monastery. The Shaolin monks have made some fame for themselves through their fighting skill; this is all due to having obtained this manuscript.
The legendary account may spring from two prefaces which accompany the Yijin Jing. It was specifically the foreword by Li Jing to which Tang Hao traced the attribution of Shaolin Kung Fu to Bodhidharma.
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
WHY SO QUIET ON INDIAN HISTORIANS THAT TELL KALARI TRUTH?
@broulys1729 LOL you keep lying to yourself WHAT THEY CREDIT HIM FOR. they give him credit for SPIRITUAL areas. they give him credit for the Yi Jin Jing. which doesnt contain a single lesson on how to fight BTW.
i always answered it. unlike scared puny indians. hiding even from INDIAN HISTORIANS? how retarded is that.
@angryaznman now you really prove to me that you have nothing to say anything else rather than going circular.
asking me for what the monks credit him for. let me write the exact words that appear in the documentry as per that master of shaolin"THE MONKS WERE ORIGIONALY STRICT THINKERS AND NOT FIGHTERS. IT WAS AFTER BODHIDHARMA"S ARRIVAL THAT THINGS CHANGED........."
now u know i dont have a double capslock to put it even bigger so that it enters ur fat head.lol.
@broulys1729 its really quite sad how delusional indians are. everytime a source says "legend has it that..." and so on. you never bother to read what the legend was. never bother to find out its the preface. never bother to find out its FULL contents and its mistakes.
historians did though. they only care about truth, not false veneration.
@broulys1729 how come you say im quiet on something i keep answering? when did you ever address your own historians that clearly says kalari payyatu (which some indian believe bodhi taught to monks) wasnt created until thousand years after bodhi died?
these are INDIAN HISTORIANS. from KERALA LOL. you are smarter than they are as well? they are hiding from the truth?
or you finally face cold reality its YOU hiding from the truth.
@angryaznman " how you say im quiet on something i keep answering"
what the hell did u answer just created ur own story. lol, the documentry was made decades after all these historical searches happened. SO U CANT SAY THAT THIS MASTER IS UNAWARE OF THESE THINGS(as u r claiming INDIRECTLY).
YET HE CREDITS BODHI, it only means this man holds some TRUTH, SOME FACT that he wants to save. plus these historians ONLY PROVE that sources about bodhi r DEFICIENT, LESS- nothing more than that
@broulys1729 NOPE. historians prove the PREFACE (which is where this entire STORY of monks learning from the yi jin jing to fight off bandits) is full of lies.
see i told you. you didnt do the research. all you did was watch a documentary that presented the legend. you had NO CLUE that the PREFACE IS THE LEGEND. the SAME preface historians discredit. not just that NO other record credit bodhi for anything at all.
@angryaznman "Five Ancestors Fist is a Southern Chinese martial art that consists of techniques from five different styles:
1)- the breathing methods and iron body of Da mo"
damo is the chinese name of bodhidharma. other than these places like five ancestor boxing and hung gar Bodhi"s name appear at so many kung fu styles, still u think that bodhi did"nt influence fighting arts at all???
@broulys1729 Five Ancestors has been attributed variously to Chua Giok Beng (pinyin: Cài Yùmíng) of Jinjiang near Quanzhou in Fujian in the second half of the 19th century or to Bái Yùfeng, a famous 13th century Shaolin monk of the original Henan Shaolin Temple in the North of China
awwww, failed again. LMFAO. besides the WRONG time, like 19th century, its the WRONG guy
@angryaznman now u r really proving that U DONT UNDERSTAND WHATEVER U READ,LISTEN OR SEE. five ancestor may be attributed to ANYONE LOL, i dont care. 5 DIFFERENT STYLES WERE UNIFIED to create five ancestor boxing.
" Five Ancestors Fist is a Southern Chinese martial art that consists of techniques from five different styles:the breathing methods and iron body of Damo"
THE 1ST STYLE OR PART BEING-"the breathing methods and iron body of Damo"
@broulys1729 nope, YOU CANT READ. NONE of the possible attributions was bodhi.
Five Ancestors has been attributed variously to Chua Giok Beng (pinyin: Cài Yùmíng) of Jinjiang near Quanzhou in Fujian in the second half of the 19th century or to Bái Yùfeng, a famous 13th century Shaolin monk of the original Henan Shaolin Temple in the North of China
1)shaolin was made 40-50 yrs b4 bodhi"s arrival. how come shaolin monks were always owned by bandits all these yrs.
2)Why it is that immediately FEW years after bodhi"s arrival that fighting reputation of the shaolin monks spread(they beat bandits for 1ST TIME) all over china which also resulted in spread of chan.
3)what forced bodhi to teach physical exercises/stretching/body strenghning/conditioning found in yi jin if monks were alredy physically tough.
@angryaznman "According to both ORAL AND WRITTEN traditions the sage PARASURAMA is believed to have founded the art and the first kalari.Oral tratition traces lineages of martial practice back to the brahman teacher, DRONA, of Mahabharata, and some techniques are assumed to have been handed down from Sanskritic Dhanur Vedic ("science of archery") sources[5]."- PHILLIP ZARRILLI.
sage parasurama, drona, krishna mentioned by numerous indian texts date back to something like 4000-5000 yrs back.
@broulys1729 Tamil-based arts variously called ati tata (hit/defend), ati murai (law of hitting), varma ati (hitting the vital spots), or chinna ati (Chinese hitting)[8].
The idiomatic word, kalari, refers specifically to the tratitional roofed pits which served as a temple for worship, a gymnasium for martial exercise, and a clinic for treatments.
i told you, kalari traditionally is just a place of learning, like a school. you confused it with martial art.
From approximately the 11th/12th century A.D. on, when this particular martial system crystalized into somthing akin to what is still seen today, it was practiced by specific sub-groups of Nairs of Kerala
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with shaolin at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practiced martial arts.
Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
@angryaznman lol these are few things that are verified and established. there are still more things that will continue to puzzle tiny brains like u and i did"nt mention those.
BY THE WAY TAKING THE DEBATE TO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IS REALLY A GOOD INVINCIBLE WAY TO SAVE URSELF. NICE TRICKS LOL.
@broulys1729 indian avg iq is like 80. 20 points below world avg. what a joke. no wonder your ancestor view greeks as GODS.
there is no way you can sit there, with a foreign building as your most famous, and brag. too funny. tooooooo funny. no wonder you try to steal kung fu. you have nothing of your own.
@broulys1729 the most famous "indian" things arent even by indians but the foreign conquerors. i now understand why you feel so strongly about lying and believing myths.
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
Qing Scholars of the same time as the preface denounced the author of the preface as "an ignorant village master" because there are MANY historical errors in the preface, including getting who was emperor at the time WRONG. that is like saying Bush is still president.
google this
"A Venerated Forgery: The Daoist Origins of Shaolin’s Famous Yijin Jing Manual By Jim R. McClanahan"
There is ONE source for this bodhi myth. 1800s PREFACE of the yi jin jing has the story of him staring at a rock wall for years then disappearing into thin air leaving behind 2 books. 1 being the yi jin jing, which doesnt teach any fighting. it only teaches stretches and breathing exercises. even the MYTH doesnt say bodhi taught shaolin monks anything.
historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) have discredited the myth and the preface altogether.
the PREFACE of an 1800s version of the Yi Jin Jing is where the myth resides. the myth is bodhi sit and stare at a rock wall for years and magically disappeared, leaving behind 2 books. 1 being the Yi Jin Jing.
the MYTH doesnt even say bodhi taught ANYTHING to the monks. but delusional indian dreamers will say it anyway.
simple fact, there is ZERO source that EVER say bodhi taught kung fu. the MYTH thats been discredited by historians, says that bodhi left the yi jin jing. the YJJ DOESNT teach shaolin kung fu. just stretches and breathing exercises.
brouly explains the LACK of sources on the shaolin temple getting destroyed occassionally. this doesnt explain how there isnt even ONE indian sources that says bodhi brought kung fu to china.
Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practiced martial arts.
Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
@angryaznman ""Indians cling"....for sake of ur communist party STOP THROWING SUCH PIECES OF SHIT OUT OF UR MOUTH.WHERE FROM WAS THIS MYTH(if we SUPPOSE it a myth to lessen ur burden of adopting indian knowledge)started. look around ur home and u will find.UR OWN BROTHERS N SISTERS(oh no sisters at shaolin actually)R SHOUTING THIS WITH PRIDE.TELL ALL THIS BULL SHIT HISTORY TO THEM FIRST AND THEN TO ME
FEW chinese in misery fighting with few others who r daring enough to speak the truth.
@broulys1729 nope, you are making things up still. dont you find it funny historians all say the opposite of what you say. that they prove, with MULTIPLE examples and historical texts why its a myth?
i told you, even the MYTH doesnt say bodhi taught kung fu. only left behind the yi jin jing after staring at wall for 7 years. the yi jin jing doesnt teach shaolin kung fu. just stretches. streches found in other historical records PREDATING bodhi.
@angryaznman "hoping for any glory they can cling onto"
u owened me totally me now. TELL ME DO U REALLY THINK THAT CLINGING TO NERDS N THEIR NERDY ARTS AT SHAOLIN IS ANY GLORY.clinging to those who have THIS GREAT FEAT OF THEIR ASS BEING KICKED BY THUGSetc.
now let me tell u whats glory. AFTER BODHI"S INSTRUCTIONS n TEACHING, SHAOLIN MONKS DEFEAT BANDITS n ARMY TROOPS.this is called glory as per indian standards.
chinese standards of glory u r telling have put me in trouble.REALLY.
@broulys1729 no, 1962 ass whooping of india is totally owning you.
now stop pretending. indians are not physical. you cant even win more than 3 medals at the olympics. you can only war with tiny pakistan. you got conquered, COMPLETELY, by British. while EIGHT nation alliance and STILL didnt rule all of China for ONE DAY.
that is the difference between Chinese glory and indian.
@angryaznman by now u must have understood what a glory is and AT LEAST no one would like to cling to such a glory of ur standards.
so THE GREAT ILLUSION THAT IS TAKING BIRTH IN UR MIND that INDIANS R TRYING TO TAKE away this FALSE GLORY of getting BEATEN UP N NERDY ASS should be uprooted.
@broulys1729 you are in denial. there is so little for india to be proud of, low avg. iq, terrible olympic performance. meanwhile China just launch tiangong and is building its own space station.
it is no wonder that indians love to lie to themselves and steal others accomplishments. indians cannot fight. never could. that is why you use gandhi. that is why you lost in 1962.
@broulys1729 LOL @ indian talking about nerdy. please. nobody is nerdier than you guys are. always tough talk, but only tough action against pakistan. when you face REAL empires like British and Chinese, you got your asses kicked.
@angryaznman YEAH i cant refuse if monks practised some kind of kid kung fu b4 bodhi just as every kid practices like scratching kung fu ,screaming kung fu etc
AFTER BODHI"S INSTRUCTION, THEY BECOME WORTHY OF FIGHTING. repeat it daily morning and evening until ur tiny brains grasps its meaning.
all the kungfu glory on which u stand is started by an indian lol.....Oh! i know its a bit difficult to digest but keep up ur practice. thats what they must be teaching u while preparing for olympics.
@broulys1729 pure delusions. as i keep reminding you, historians say otherwise. only indian goofs keep saying otherwise.
how come you have no source of your own? why if you keep saying bodhi did what he did, do no indian records say anything? nobody in all of indian history notice chinese starting to use indian martial art? not 1 indian person in history made a comment on it before youtube?
@broulys1729 nope, again, learn the MYTH properly. he didnt teach anyone anything. he sat on his fat ass in a cave and stared a rock wall for years. eating nothing. drinking nothing.
and disappeared into thin air. leaving behind 2 books. 1 being the yi jin jing. which doesnt teach any fighting, only stretches and breathing exercises.
you delusional dreaming indians dont even know the MYTH ROFL.
@angryaznman now how did u know this that he did"nt teach anything.and by the way if u r so curious that what bodhi taught them thru which they SUDDENLY BCAME SO STRONGE FROM BEING NERDS then UR CHINESE, SHAOLIN IS NEAR TO U, U CAN VISIT N ASK MONKS, THE MASTERS that WHAT BODHI TAUGHT, HOW HE TAUGHT AND WHY HE TAUGHT LOOL.
not only indians talk this generations of ur fighting masters TALK THIS LOOOOL.
u talk of indian martial records, i dont think that indians even kept religious records lol
@broulys1729 LOLOLOL im not curious. i know the MYTH and i know the truth. everything i say, has been said before by historical text and historians themselves. i linked to "A Venerated Forgery: The Daoist Origins of Shaolin’s Famous Yijin Jing Manual By Jim R. McClanahan"
which explain in detail why its a myth. only silly indians believe.
i dont doubt indians have few records. look how easily you believe in fantasy. who needs records for the truth.
and chinese love to hide truth, even then when its said all open on a video. VERY DARING. good jop keep it up . may be it was a joke or if not do the copy paste exercise again that "shaolin monks dont credit bodhi"
THEN I"LL BEGIN TO THINK U WERE SERIOUS WHEN U SAID THIS.
@angryaznman "the ONLY reason monks mention bodhi at all, is because"
YES THIS IS ANOTHER OF UR FLASHLIGHT DISCOVERY RIGHT NOW.
LOL, U INVENTED ALL THIS RIGHT NOW in order to save ur false chinese pride.
lol how can bodhi create something that was modified by shaolin descendants years and centuries later after bodhi. u know he cud not look into future.all that this south indian prince brought was taught to them, that saved them from thungs and raiders lol.
@broulys1729 its very clear indians, with their below avg iq, cant even debate properly. you cant never provide a real rebuttal to my posts. only quote very small incomplete sentences.
i explained everything in FULL DETAIL. the myth is that bodhi left behind the yi jin jing. THAT is where the stretching and brreathing techniques are found.
course its already proved to be false, but even the MYTH doesnt say bodhi actually TAUGHT anyone. only magically leave behind a book.
@broulys1729 the book itself doesnt teach a SINGLE fighting style. only breathing and stretching.
the truth is hard for indians to accept. constantly losing to foreigners. culture created by foreigners. have so few accomplishments despite having so many people.
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
@broulys1729 i dare you to ask any monk, which specific styles were taught by bodhi. shaolin is known for its animal forms. 5 to be specific. tiger, crane, and so on.
NONE will say it was learned from bodhi. you know why? because again, historical record already documents how they were created. you cant get away from it. when even the MYTH doesnt say something and you do, it only shows you are dreaming.
@broulys1729 Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
@angryaznman hahaha....... KUNG FU AT SHAOLIN B4 BODHI. nice joke. really made me laugh. lets suppose that there was still the monks physical condition was so bad, OWNED BY BANDITS, RAPED BY THUGS and lastly could"nt withstand even long meditations. thats ur great fu B4 BODHI LOL. i dont know if U MEAN TO REFER TO "THINKERS" WITH UR WORD "KUNG FU" but it must not be something physical at all.
BODHI TAUGHT THEM LOL, HOW NOT TO GET OWNED AND KICK THE ASS OF THOSE WHO RAIDED THE MONASTRY.
@broulys1729 too bad for you, historical records show it. Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin.
@broulys1729 btw, those records are way older than shaolin. so even THEY survived. but magically every record that says bodhi taught shaolin monks kung fu disappeared in a fire. or so you say.
LOL everything else is ok and survive, but just those ones.
historians, indian ones, even tell the truth about your kalari myth.
Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
@angryaznman and ur statement " hoping for any glory they can cling onto" is at least half true. yes hoping for glory but not indians but dreamer chinese like u by eliminating HOW MUCH A SINGLE INDIAN AFFECTED CHINA. even so many names of chinese traditions and arts were named from indian words. this is the burden fools like u carry on ur head. trying to take at least a refreshing breath that yeah! kung fu was not influenced by bodhi. misery for u..........really
@broulys1729 nope. aryans were foreign and supplanted the indus valley civilization. then mughals, came and built indias most famous icon, taj mahal. which is ISLAMIC.
then british came and conquer ALL of india.
indias whole pathetic history is 1 of being conquered completely by foreigners. even indian culture from the start was brought by aryans from central asia.
@angryaznman "aryans were foreign.......................then mughals, came..................""
yeah yeah yeah YES SIR. SALUTE TO YOU. that WAS THE UNDISCOVERED RESON TILL NOW FOR SHAOLIN MONKS HAPPENING TO BE STRICT THINKERS B4 BODHI AND LEARNED TO FIGHT FROM BODHIDHARMA.
@broulys1729 nobody learned how to fight from bodhi. only indians keep repeating a lie and hope it becomes true. the MYTH that has already been disproven, doesnt even say bodhi taught kung fu.
LOL learn to read please. if even the MYTH doesnt say it, it can only come from indians dreams.
5:05 fail digging up nose wonder if that's one of their techniques.
wry1007 2 days ago
the western world is very ignorant abt Indian history and in general eastern history. they ought to stfu and stop flooding the world with bullshit publications.
djentlekat 2 weeks ago
Brap! Brap! Tamil pride!
HinduTamilSouljah 3 weeks ago
haha fucking thort i was watching a bollywood dance
supersaiyanMK2 4 weeks ago
this is all about mama pundek martial art.. indian pundek
pundek12ful 1 month ago
wow...its like martial arts...on crack ,:j
crayzeesteve 1 month ago
These people are richer than anyone living in the western world
spermalan 1 month ago
@spermalan So rich that they have a high infant mortality rate...they must love their babies dropping like flies.
voneinemkindgefict 1 month ago
You are pathedic. Don't you have something better to do than to look around youtube and run your dumb ass mouth about anything and everything?
Berry2be 1 month ago
well i think that maybe all martial arts have there own bases but ik 4 a fact the 1st buddha was from india but still saying all martial arts come from 1 is like saying 1 person created writing in general it may be true but very very very unlikely and all r very different now with sum being similar others being very different.im not saying this isnt where kung fu came from cuz thats true but its not the mother of all martial arts
justicerupe 2 months ago
well i think that maybe all martial arts have there own bases but ik 4 a fact the 1st buddha was from india but still saying all martial arts come from 1 is like saying 1 person created writing in general it may be true but very very very unlikely and all r very different now with sum being similar others being very different
justicerupe 2 months ago
Kerala today was part of a tamil kingdom were Kalaripayattu was practised..Our forefathers acheived great things that after 1000 years still makes us proud..but we are only capable of fighting a war of words behind computer screens..
charith801 2 months ago 11
I hate how the narrator pronounces Kalari.
fauxvision 2 months ago
I do however will state that India is one of the most spiritual enlighten places on planet earth to a cosmic level and because of this i want to visit in order to only learn the way of the great sage to be one with our cosmic surroundings.
SolidCobra43 2 months ago
There is not conformation of Kalaripayattu being the mother of martial arts when in greece has the oldest form of defense technique. i also believe that Kalaripayattu seems to not be the birth of shaolin arts because the shaolin monastery is also not share is secrets of deadly pressure point and master the body to such of a degree to peak conditioning. so i argue that this Kalaripayattu is not the birth of martial art but a very old fighting style.
SolidCobra43 2 months ago
india is the greatest country.do you know we people used to perform face surgeries at the time u can't even cure common cold. now stop talking rubbish about my motherlang & get out of hare
karatye 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict: you will die even from the bite of mosquito as you over clean.
abhishekedu 2 months ago
A true maritla art
SuperHolysmoke 2 months ago
If you fight a master of this style he will put his finger in your mouth and you will die from dysentery because Indians are not very clean.
voneinemkindgefict 3 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict no retard...he'l rip your dirty tongue out of your mouth and throw it in the trash where it belong because americans have the worst oral hygiene along with brits...and the lowest iq and competency. not to mention racist, inbred and retarded. dick.
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
@lsdeeee420 Americans are dirty? Look at the ganges..you savages drink from it and wash in it. Its filled with shit and rotting corpses. Picking at your teeth with sticks, staring blankly with your shit smeared palms.
voneinemkindgefict 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict yeah..americans are fuckin dirty..you guys have the worst oral hygiene on the planet..and the lowest iq...pickin on poor people in my country?..atleast we dont live in trailers on welfare fuckin our sisters producing inbred autistic dislexic diseased white trash like yourself...lol..ur a real class act...typical american racist shit...say that to your daddy when hes pickin his teeth with his sisters pubes u puny impotent inbred cracker.i pity ur basement dwelling retarded ass
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
@lsdeeee420 You are funny. Come to America and start a cult. I will declare you a Guru and you will get all the exotic yellow bearded pussy you desire. To be fair, I don't disagree with your assessment of Americans. I love and hate all races equally. In fact all are beneath me, but you have some backbone and are proud to be Indian so you must be more intelligent. Take your place as a god-king among the hippies in America.
voneinemkindgefict 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict and dude..its cute..how your trying to intellectualize your ignorant point of view...''exotic myellow bearded pussy''????pardon me...u stupid elaborate wannabe douche...can't u just say blonde pussy?...and no dude...we dont find ugly light shades of yellow attractive...maybe in your albino minded fucked up world blinde is exotic..but please dude...ud find even a polar bear exotic dude...fuck blondes..cheap..stupid..trashy..just like your mother..dumb racist prick
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
@lsdeeee420 Maybe you have had too much weed. I didn't try to intellectualize anything. I see that you are a fool. They type of fool that allowed the British to conquer monkeys like you and force their sister to give handjobs and look up to British maams.
voneinemkindgefict 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict LOL....listen up u stupid pale albino inbred son of a double up sister/mother/aunt/slut.....the only one whos mother fucks for free....is YOU...and trust me...i wouldnt waste a dime on her stupid redneck white trash ass......speaking of which.....where the fuck do u think u came from?..wow...u shouldv gone to school like the other human beings...instead ur dumb redneck mom taught u in the basement...illiterate uneducated RACIST cliche retarded autistic americunt fuck
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
You guys... Get a life... It's JUST Kalaripyattu... =P
ChamorruWarrior 1 month ago
@lsdeeee420 I agree. There are negative people here in America. A lot of which I wish they had a chance to go to school to realize how much the same every person and race can be. Or even have the right guidance to figure these aspects in life out. But to show hate to a person will not teach them anything. It is air to their fire. Just know there are humane people here in this country. There are the negatives in every country. Some less than others. But everyone needs help.
devilskullsixtysix 1 month ago
@devilskullsixtysix hey chill man......i wasnt talking about civilized ppl like you.
lsdeeee420 1 month ago
@voneinemkindgefict .. Hi do you remember me ?? who commented .. I asked you about the american history your reply please ..
arvind0303 1 month ago
@arvind0303 Yesterday in American history another unwashed Indian called me telling me he was from Boston. How proud are you savages when you can't sell anything by telling the truth? You are England Jr. and you do a bad job of it. You are just Pakistani's with loose morals and fat women. This is why it is a mercy when they are raped...a mercy to those ugly fat women who only have dirty fuckers like you poking at their rat holes.
voneinemkindgefict 1 month ago
@voneinemkindgefict ... dude in what way your answer is related to my question ... haha ..Please answer my question friend .... AMERICAN HISTORY ..
arvind0303 1 month ago
@voneinemkindgefict dude i pity ur inbred ass....ur dirtier than the shit that comes out of the most diseased unhygeinic beggar in india.......n by u....i mean the steaming hot dump ur mother took.......the time u were born
lsdeeee420 1 month ago
@voneinemkindgefict What an ignorant statement...what does this have to do with self defense arts?
Ronin6575 1 month ago
@voneinemkindgefict stop rambling incoherently you stupid racist low iq having arrogant inbred redneck trash..the hippies in america got a better backbone that your cyber junkie psuedo intelligent ass...apart from being a proud indian...im proud to be more intelligent, cultured, aware, and useful, than a fuckin good for nothing stupid deluded waste of space and life like yourself...u stupid waste of space good for nothin white nigger..even a cockroach is a god in front of your pathetic ass
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict again...some incoherent shit from a high school drop out with the iq of a fuckin blunt..u aint exactly the product of a free country u stupid illiterate uneducated dumb redneck inbred dislexic white trash..the kind whos dad married his own sister..wait i mean his own mother..racist twats like u i shit on everyday u white nigger.maybe u a little drunk off ur daddys cum..so il make it clear.nothin u say makes any sense u dumb albino fuck..go wank to ur sis n do whatchu good at
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
@lsdeeee420 You are funny, but have done too many drugs. Talk to you next week when you call me trying to sell me something. Indians are funny..they call with their Indian accents and claim to be from Texas. Indian culture is a fragment of what it was before British ruled you. Now you sad fucks want to be British.
voneinemkindgefict 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict shut the fuck up u deluded white trash inbred limp dick...n let me get back to fuckin yo momma for a quarter...dumb little social reject racist trailer park american trash
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
@lsdeeee420 Do you know how easy it is to bed married Indian women? For having invented the Kama Sutra Indian men are the worst lovers on Earth. I was was jogging cross country through some gardens and suddenly nearly bumped into an Indian woman from a rich home. It didn't take me anything at all to get her moaning underneath me without a condom. Her kid will be white and more valuable in the eyes of her own people. Cheaper than hookers and desperate for attention. Maybe I know your mama?
voneinemkindgefict 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict .. Hi im a Indian, and I find somethings you said were correct. But it is not fair to talk about us like racists. coz we may have a racist attack on others, please read from the history, you were telling something about language firstly you should know my language tamil is older more than 3000yrs. before 15,000 BC we lived a civilized life. We taught the the civilization to the entire world. Also some parts of my place sunk many years ago. expecting your reply friend ... :-)
arvind0303 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ramsen76155
@arvind0303 You are absolutely correct. India is the last remnant of the world civilization that came before the ice age. It is also the root of culture in this age. I am not racist against Indians I just like to make jokes. I am equally racist so by definition I can't be racist.
voneinemkindgefict 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict , Happy to see your reply, you may not be a racist(but I am a little bit ). So could you explain something about American history like how do people got there on that place, and how do u guys speak English and so ...
arvind0303 2 months ago
@arvind0303 I was born here. I had no choice. I had no say or part in anything my certain ancestors have done. But do you think knowing the genocidal effects of what took place in this country warms my heart? It does not. I know what has happened before. But to understand peace means that any burdens that have happened before will not and shall not happen anymore through my bloodline. I love all. I understand all. I know this world has suffering. And every person needs guidance.
devilskullsixtysix 1 month ago
@devilskullsixtysix ... Sorry, could be please be more clear on your comment, so that i can clearly understand friend ..
arvind0303 1 month ago
@arvind0303 There is bad in every country. And there is good in every country. Despite race, we are still the same human beings. Despite our color, we all have the same emotions and physical components. Just know I care about you friend. Unconditional love will help others see truth. Everybody needs guidance. =]
devilskullsixtysix 1 month ago
@devilskullsixtysix .. haha,, yes you are correct ..
arvind0303 1 month ago
@voneinemkindgefict dude.u are a fuckin racist.if someone were to fight verbally with your unhygeinic ass.they would probably get tb or aids.cuz ppl like u have horrible oral hygeine.n plus ur so white that ur teeth look fuckin yellow.fluorosis infected hiv afflicted inbred low iq having hypocritic loser fuck.stop having periods on youtube.it isnt like u guys have the best hygeine down there either.stds come dime a dozen where u live.probably cuz ur momma's in the neighbourhood yeah...XD..inbred
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict now let me get back to smokin my vaporiser before i fuck ur diseased mother with two condoms again right here....decipher those comments....get an education....stop trying to sound intellectual when ur basically full of shit....u stupid illiterate uneducated basement product...fuckin inbred autistic douche....dam america has some losers....run along little girl...buy a tampon instead of having your racist bloody periods on youtubes...ull get fucked like the bitch on heat u r
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
@voneinemkindgefict is that the history lesson ur mommy gave u in the basement/?oops i mean ur aunt. sister hell i dunno how one female can double up and be EVERYTHING in your trailer park inbred single bloodline retarded family tree LMFAO.but the basement.with ur dumb family whoring mother as the teacher.ISNT EDUCATION..get an education..actually get a life first..then try to decipher what i wrote..and see how comprehensively i fucked ur dirty mother here..u stupid racist youtube bitch on heat
lsdeeee420 2 months ago
The Oldest Martial Arts emanate from Africa & were transmitted to India through Egypt. Much of India's Ancient Traditions owe a debt to the Blacks who still reside there, their physiognomy still very much apparent, although their bloodline is very much attenuated due to the admixture of Native Indian Blacks. In fact the Most Sacred of India's rivers is named Ganges in honor of a Pharaoh. This transmission of knowledge in the Arts & Sciences occurred in a very remote epoch.
imhotep38 3 months ago
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TheDesignthoughts 3 months ago
Respond to this video... Mr john don't add your ruthless comments, go and watch some wwe match, lol
TheDesignthoughts 3 months ago
I would love to learn this.
oncesanora 3 months ago
Martial arts existed in China over 2500 years before Bodhidharma. Shaolin is just one branch of kung fu and it's contributions in the development of Chinese fighting systems occured much later in the history of China. Hence it's impossible to conclusively state that kung fu came from Kalaripayattu.
pleasantleethedragon 3 months ago in playlist Fighting Indian Martial Arts- Origin of Kung Fu
"India appears to be the birthplace of at least 2 more bare handed martial arts Vajramushti and kalari payat.Evidence seems to indicate that vajramushti was very first karate like technique and that it was commonly practiced by kshtriya or warrior caste.kalari payat is an ancient art and may have been influenced by vajramushti.It was practised in northern india as well as southern India,its date go back over five thousand years but it has become known outside india only recently"-BRUCE HAINES.
broulys1729 3 months ago
YES HE DID U HANDICAPPED HISTORY BOY.
looking at ur silly posts i"ve to labour again bcuz u failed to look at these-
"THE COMBAT TECHNIQUES OF SANGAM PERIOD WERE THE EARLIEST PRECURSORS TO KALARIPAYAT.Kalari payat became more developed DURING THE 9TH CENTUARY."
no one here is talking about SCHOOLS.lol use ur head n use your eyes. its not kalari, its "kalaripayat" and
"Written evidence of MARTIAL ARTS(NOT SCHOOLS U PIECE OF SHIT) in Southern India dates back to the Tamil Sangam literature"
broulys1729 3 months ago
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@broulys1729 Tamil-based arts variously called ati tata (hit/defend), ati murai (law of hitting), varma ati (hitting the vital spots), or chinna ati (Chinese hitting)[8].
LOL seems YOU copied CHINESE kung fu.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 uhh even you admit it the time frame was war between cholas and cheras. why are you ignoring when that was?
angryaznman 3 months ago
""] Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalaripayattu, estimates that kalarippayattu dates back to AT LEAST the 12th century CE.""------wiki. "at least" means IT HAS POSSIBILITY OF GOING EVEN B4 THAT.
HE DID"NT DISCLOSE THIS POSSIBILITY. he just gave the lower limit.
"The martial tradition of Kalaripayattu IS ALSO dated to ancient DRAVIDIAN TRADITIONS"
WATCH OUT"IS ALSO".----WIKI.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 LOL wishful thinking. every estimate is around 11th century to 12th century. just because he said at least for 12, and someone else say 11 doesnt mean anything.
and you are mistaking kalari (the schooling tradition used in sangnam) and kalari payyattu, the fighting didnt come until later.
cheras vs cholas. poor poor delusional liar
angryaznman 3 months ago
""THE COMBAT TECHNIQUES OF SANGAM PERIOD WERE THE EARLIEST PRECURSORS TO KALARIPAYAT.Kalari payat became more developed during the 9th century and was practiced by a section of the Nair community, warrior clan of Kerala, to defend the state and the king""
during the battle of cheras and cholas modern form of kalaripayat emerged as we see it today.
-WIKI
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 LMFAO EXACTLY. the period of battle between the cheras and cholas was 11th century you DUMBASS
angryaznman 3 months ago
Pan published his version of the Yijin Jing under the title Weisheng Yaoshu (衛生要術, Essential Techniques for Guarding Life) in 1858. Hu explained the manual did not mention Bodhidharma, and that Pan himself likened the Muscle-Changing qigong to a Daoist exercise. [16]
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman 1)The 12 Posture Moving Exercise describes what is called the 12 fists of Bodhidharma in Many southern martial arts most notably Hung Gar and Wing chun. Ascribing the 12 exercises to 12 animals that Bodhidharma studied after his 9 years of meditation.
2)Written evidence of martial arts in Southern India dates back to the Tamil Sangam literature of about the 2nd century BC to the 2nd century AD.
source- WIKI.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
DENIALLLL
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman "Kalari payat became more developed DURING THE 9TH CENTUARY."
Oh! shit man, i thought u can at least grasp this thing that 9th centuary is before 11th and 12th centuaries lol.
dont be drunk while posting them lol. or may be u r striving to find its meaning and needed my guidance.hehehe..
and i dont repeat same stories again and again, during 11th and 12th cent. modern form of it emerged lol.
AT LEAST NOW I SHOULD NOT NEED TO SHOUT IT IN UR EARS.better do something urself
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 LMFAO YOU DONT GET IT. 9th century is still FAR FARRRR TOO LATE.
HAHAHAHAHA YOU LOSE
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman In the southern peninsula of India there is CLEAR EVIDENCE showing that martial arts were practiced during the 6' AND 7" CENTURY. Sculpted forms in the ancient temples at Kanchipuram near Madras SHOW COMPLEX DISARMING TECHNIQUES as well as several weapons used during that period. There is also the eyewitness account of Huang-Tsang, a Chinese pilgrim. This famous scholar and diplomat wrote in great derail about the weapons he saw during his journey through various parts of India
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 DUDE, why do you have such a hard time understanding even 6th and 7th century is FAR too late.
also the whole point is 3 indian historians date the modern kalari payyatu to period of warfare between chola and cheras
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman " 3 indian historians date the "MODERN" kalari payyatu to period of warfare between chola and cheras"
thank god. at least u understood this thing quickly and uttered it urself that its modern version dated to 11-12th centuries.
Written evidence of martial arts in Southern India dates back to the Tamil Sangam literature of about the 2ND CENTURY BC to the 2ND CENTURY AD.
Siddhartha Gautama himself was a champion of swordplay, wrestling and archery before becoming the Buddha.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
fail
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 3 months ago
So if Bodhidharma didn’t write it, who did? Researchers have suggested two different people. In a series of articles appearing in Black Belt Magazine during the 1960’s William Hu stated physical copies of the manual could not be traced back any further than the mid-19th century. He also claimed the author was a provincial governor of Hubei called Pan Wei (潘蔚), who was apparently adept in Chinese medicine and qigong.
angryaznman 3 months ago
In fact, the idea of the Zen patriarch physically teaching monks martial arts did not come about until the publishing of a highly popular satirical novel entitled The Travels of Lao Can (老殘遊記) in a magazine between 1904 and 1907. The author apparently confused the qigong attributed to Bodhidharma with martial arts.
This mistake was then echoed in the proceeding novel Shaolin School Methods published in a newspaper serial in 1910, and an altered reprint in 1915 called Secrets of Shaolin Boxing.
angryaznman 3 months ago
There is no way Bodhidharma could have taught the monks martial arts or even written the two manuals if Chinese records do not attest to his presence at Shaolin during his own lifetime. As far as martial arts are concerned, researchers have analyzed documents going back 250 years, and there are some that mention both Bodhidharma and Shaolin martial arts, but never connect the two. [14]
angryaznman 3 months ago
Analysis of outside sources show Bodhidharma had no historical connection to the monastery or the development of its martial arts during his life time. According to Prof. Meir Shahar: In the sixth-century Record of Buddhist Monasteries in Louyang (Luoyang qielan ji) (ca. 547), [Bodhidharma]* is said to have visited the city, but no allusion is made to the nearby Mt. Song[, where Shaolin is located].
angryaznman 3 months ago
Niu Gao’s preface is dated 1142, but he refers to Emperor Qinzhong (欽宗), a posthumous temple name that was not bestowed until 1161. [11]
* Yue Fei’s family and state memoirs do not mention him studying under a monk. He did study under two men with possible military backgrounds, but records do not allude to them having any affiliation with Buddhist monasteries. [12]
angryaznman 3 months ago
Li Jing’s preface is dated 628, but the Indian holy man Paramiti (fl. 705), who is said to have translated the Yijin Jing from Sanskrit into Chinese years before the general received it, wasn’t born until much later.
A battle formation said to have been utilized by Li Jing in the first preface comes from Ming Dynasty fiction. [9]
angryaznman 3 months ago
A Venerated Forgery: The Daoist Origins of Shaolin’s Famous Yijin Jing Manual By Jim R. McClanahan.
Unfortunately, the prefaces were written centuries after these generals died. There are many anachronistic mistakes and flat out fictions that point to this. I will list some of them:
angryaznman 3 months ago
In the course of his research, Matsuda found no mention of—let alone attribution to—Bodhidharma in any of the numerous texts written about the Shaolin martial arts[8] before the 19th century.
LOL POOR INDIAN. there were NUMEROUS texts that survive the destruction. magically ONLY the ones who talk about bodhi were destroyed.
truly desperate dreaming at work.
angryaznman 3 months ago
According to legend, the Yijin Jing was said to be left behind by Bodhidharma after his departure from the Shaolin Monastery. The Shaolin monks have made some fame for themselves through their fighting skill; this is all due to having obtained this manuscript.
The legendary account may spring from two prefaces which accompany the Yijin Jing. It was specifically the foreword by Li Jing to which Tang Hao traced the attribution of Shaolin Kung Fu to Bodhidharma.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
WHY SO QUIET ON INDIAN HISTORIANS THAT TELL KALARI TRUTH?
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman WHY SO QUITE ON THE SHAOLIN MASTERS CREDITING BODHI????????????????????????
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 LOL you keep lying to yourself WHAT THEY CREDIT HIM FOR. they give him credit for SPIRITUAL areas. they give him credit for the Yi Jin Jing. which doesnt contain a single lesson on how to fight BTW.
i always answered it. unlike scared puny indians. hiding even from INDIAN HISTORIANS? how retarded is that.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman now you really prove to me that you have nothing to say anything else rather than going circular.
asking me for what the monks credit him for. let me write the exact words that appear in the documentry as per that master of shaolin"THE MONKS WERE ORIGIONALY STRICT THINKERS AND NOT FIGHTERS. IT WAS AFTER BODHIDHARMA"S ARRIVAL THAT THINGS CHANGED........."
now u know i dont have a double capslock to put it even bigger so that it enters ur fat head.lol.
go watch this point again.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 you idiot, THAT IS THE MYTH. THAT IS THE PREFACE.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 its really quite sad how delusional indians are. everytime a source says "legend has it that..." and so on. you never bother to read what the legend was. never bother to find out its the preface. never bother to find out its FULL contents and its mistakes.
historians did though. they only care about truth, not false veneration.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 how come you say im quiet on something i keep answering? when did you ever address your own historians that clearly says kalari payyatu (which some indian believe bodhi taught to monks) wasnt created until thousand years after bodhi died?
these are INDIAN HISTORIANS. from KERALA LOL. you are smarter than they are as well? they are hiding from the truth?
or you finally face cold reality its YOU hiding from the truth.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman " how you say im quiet on something i keep answering"
what the hell did u answer just created ur own story. lol, the documentry was made decades after all these historical searches happened. SO U CANT SAY THAT THIS MASTER IS UNAWARE OF THESE THINGS(as u r claiming INDIRECTLY).
YET HE CREDITS BODHI, it only means this man holds some TRUTH, SOME FACT that he wants to save. plus these historians ONLY PROVE that sources about bodhi r DEFICIENT, LESS- nothing more than that
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 LOL you are making things up again. they did NOT quote him and if you knew chinese you would know that.
what they did was present the LEGEND. the STORY. the MYTH.
the entire story of bodhi staring at a rock, leaving behind a book, and the monks getting strong is all part of the MYTH/PREFACE
angryaznman 3 months ago
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@angryaznman " they did NOT quote him and if you knew chinese you would know that."
hahaha.........i"m laughing,really. FIRST, u ur self wrote down "they QUOTED HIM(YONG XIN) that bodi taught spirituality/chan etc."
NOW U GO "they did NOT quote him ".
EARLIER U DID"NT EVEN KNEW ABOUT ANY SUCH DOCUMENTRY, now u claim to have KNOWN EVEN
WHAT HE SAID IN CHINESE.
" if you knew chinese you would know that."
these r ur words I think.
come on angryzman, Dont behave like kids.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 NOPE. historians prove the PREFACE (which is where this entire STORY of monks learning from the yi jin jing to fight off bandits) is full of lies.
see i told you. you didnt do the research. all you did was watch a documentary that presented the legend. you had NO CLUE that the PREFACE IS THE LEGEND. the SAME preface historians discredit. not just that NO other record credit bodhi for anything at all.
but that the entire STORY of him was false.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman "Five Ancestors Fist is a Southern Chinese martial art that consists of techniques from five different styles:
1)- the breathing methods and iron body of Da mo"
damo is the chinese name of bodhidharma. other than these places like five ancestor boxing and hung gar Bodhi"s name appear at so many kung fu styles, still u think that bodhi did"nt influence fighting arts at all???
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 Five Ancestors has been attributed variously to Chua Giok Beng (pinyin: Cài Yùmíng) of Jinjiang near Quanzhou in Fujian in the second half of the 19th century or to Bái Yùfeng, a famous 13th century Shaolin monk of the original Henan Shaolin Temple in the North of China
awwww, failed again. LMFAO. besides the WRONG time, like 19th century, its the WRONG guy
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman now u r really proving that U DONT UNDERSTAND WHATEVER U READ,LISTEN OR SEE. five ancestor may be attributed to ANYONE LOL, i dont care. 5 DIFFERENT STYLES WERE UNIFIED to create five ancestor boxing.
" Five Ancestors Fist is a Southern Chinese martial art that consists of techniques from five different styles:the breathing methods and iron body of Damo"
THE 1ST STYLE OR PART BEING-"the breathing methods and iron body of Damo"
DAMO=BODHIDHARMA.
broulys1729 3 months ago
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@broulys1729 nope, YOU CANT READ. NONE of the possible attributions was bodhi.
Five Ancestors has been attributed variously to Chua Giok Beng (pinyin: Cài Yùmíng) of Jinjiang near Quanzhou in Fujian in the second half of the 19th century or to Bái Yùfeng, a famous 13th century Shaolin monk of the original Henan Shaolin Temple in the North of China
NO BODHI
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman
1)shaolin was made 40-50 yrs b4 bodhi"s arrival. how come shaolin monks were always owned by bandits all these yrs.
2)Why it is that immediately FEW years after bodhi"s arrival that fighting reputation of the shaolin monks spread(they beat bandits for 1ST TIME) all over china which also resulted in spread of chan.
3)what forced bodhi to teach physical exercises/stretching/body strenghning/conditioning found in yi jin if monks were alredy physically tough.
COINCIDENCE???
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 you are too desperate. its very simple.
show me historical records that say bodhi taught kung fu. there is NONE. not even the myth says it.
poor delusional indian also hiding from indian historians.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman "According to both ORAL AND WRITTEN traditions the sage PARASURAMA is believed to have founded the art and the first kalari.Oral tratition traces lineages of martial practice back to the brahman teacher, DRONA, of Mahabharata, and some techniques are assumed to have been handed down from Sanskritic Dhanur Vedic ("science of archery") sources[5]."- PHILLIP ZARRILLI.
sage parasurama, drona, krishna mentioned by numerous indian texts date back to something like 4000-5000 yrs back.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 LMFAO parashurma is not real you delusional clown. it also says he fought with an ocean.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 Tamil-based arts variously called ati tata (hit/defend), ati murai (law of hitting), varma ati (hitting the vital spots), or chinna ati (Chinese hitting)[8].
LOL seems YOU copied CHINESE kung fu.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman china copied martial arts from india ???? !!! well iam in doubt
TheDesignthoughts 3 months ago
@TheDesignthoughts :Kalaripayattu is the mother of all martial arts...
achutheone 3 months ago
The idiomatic word, kalari, refers specifically to the tratitional roofed pits which served as a temple for worship, a gymnasium for martial exercise, and a clinic for treatments.
i told you, kalari traditionally is just a place of learning, like a school. you confused it with martial art.
From approximately the 11th/12th century A.D. on, when this particular martial system crystalized into somthing akin to what is still seen today, it was practiced by specific sub-groups of Nairs of Kerala
angryaznman 3 months ago
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Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 3 months ago
So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
angryaznman 3 months ago
Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
angryaznman 3 months ago
The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
angryaznman 3 months ago
The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with shaolin at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practiced martial arts.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Pure Facts that destroy delusional dreamers:
Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
angryaznman 3 months ago
LOLOLOL i cant wait for indians to pretend indian historians are hiding the truth to.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman lol these are few things that are verified and established. there are still more things that will continue to puzzle tiny brains like u and i did"nt mention those.
BY THE WAY TAKING THE DEBATE TO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IS REALLY A GOOD INVINCIBLE WAY TO SAVE URSELF. NICE TRICKS LOL.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 no, you lost the debate a long time ago. historians or you? LOL. stupid. only indians ponder what the answer is.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 indian avg iq is like 80. 20 points below world avg. what a joke. no wonder your ancestor view greeks as GODS.
there is no way you can sit there, with a foreign building as your most famous, and brag. too funny. tooooooo funny. no wonder you try to steal kung fu. you have nothing of your own.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 the most famous "indian" things arent even by indians but the foreign conquerors. i now understand why you feel so strongly about lying and believing myths.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 indian historians btw.
Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Qing Scholars of the same time as the preface denounced the author of the preface as "an ignorant village master" because there are MANY historical errors in the preface, including getting who was emperor at the time WRONG. that is like saying Bush is still president.
google this
"A Venerated Forgery: The Daoist Origins of Shaolin’s Famous Yijin Jing Manual By Jim R. McClanahan"
For detailed examples.
angryaznman 3 months ago
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There is ONE source for this bodhi myth. 1800s PREFACE of the yi jin jing has the story of him staring at a rock wall for years then disappearing into thin air leaving behind 2 books. 1 being the yi jin jing, which doesnt teach any fighting. it only teaches stretches and breathing exercises. even the MYTH doesnt say bodhi taught shaolin monks anything.
historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) have discredited the myth and the preface altogether.
btw there isnt 1 indian source.
angryaznman 3 months ago
the PREFACE of an 1800s version of the Yi Jin Jing is where the myth resides. the myth is bodhi sit and stare at a rock wall for years and magically disappeared, leaving behind 2 books. 1 being the Yi Jin Jing.
the MYTH doesnt even say bodhi taught ANYTHING to the monks. but delusional indian dreamers will say it anyway.
angryaznman 3 months ago
simple fact, there is ZERO source that EVER say bodhi taught kung fu. the MYTH thats been discredited by historians, says that bodhi left the yi jin jing. the YJJ DOESNT teach shaolin kung fu. just stretches and breathing exercises.
brouly explains the LACK of sources on the shaolin temple getting destroyed occassionally. this doesnt explain how there isnt even ONE indian sources that says bodhi brought kung fu to china.
LOLOLOL clowns will always lose.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Pure Facts that destroy delusional dreamers:
Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practiced martial arts.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
angryaznman 3 months ago
The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
angryaznman 3 months ago
The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
angryaznman 3 months ago
So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
The End, dreams over.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 3 months ago
Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 3 months ago
both western and chinese scholars have completely demolished this myth. only wishful thinking indians keep believing.
you have any idea how pathetic it makes you guys look? its so sad. like a desperate people hoping for any glory they can cling onto.
angryaznman 4 months ago
@angryaznman ""Indians cling"....for sake of ur communist party STOP THROWING SUCH PIECES OF SHIT OUT OF UR MOUTH.WHERE FROM WAS THIS MYTH(if we SUPPOSE it a myth to lessen ur burden of adopting indian knowledge)started. look around ur home and u will find.UR OWN BROTHERS N SISTERS(oh no sisters at shaolin actually)R SHOUTING THIS WITH PRIDE.TELL ALL THIS BULL SHIT HISTORY TO THEM FIRST AND THEN TO ME
FEW chinese in misery fighting with few others who r daring enough to speak the truth.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 nope, you are making things up still. dont you find it funny historians all say the opposite of what you say. that they prove, with MULTIPLE examples and historical texts why its a myth?
i told you, even the MYTH doesnt say bodhi taught kung fu. only left behind the yi jin jing after staring at wall for 7 years. the yi jin jing doesnt teach shaolin kung fu. just stretches. streches found in other historical records PREDATING bodhi.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman "hoping for any glory they can cling onto"
u owened me totally me now. TELL ME DO U REALLY THINK THAT CLINGING TO NERDS N THEIR NERDY ARTS AT SHAOLIN IS ANY GLORY.clinging to those who have THIS GREAT FEAT OF THEIR ASS BEING KICKED BY THUGSetc.
now let me tell u whats glory. AFTER BODHI"S INSTRUCTIONS n TEACHING, SHAOLIN MONKS DEFEAT BANDITS n ARMY TROOPS.this is called glory as per indian standards.
chinese standards of glory u r telling have put me in trouble.REALLY.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 no, 1962 ass whooping of india is totally owning you.
now stop pretending. indians are not physical. you cant even win more than 3 medals at the olympics. you can only war with tiny pakistan. you got conquered, COMPLETELY, by British. while EIGHT nation alliance and STILL didnt rule all of China for ONE DAY.
that is the difference between Chinese glory and indian.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman by now u must have understood what a glory is and AT LEAST no one would like to cling to such a glory of ur standards.
so THE GREAT ILLUSION THAT IS TAKING BIRTH IN UR MIND that INDIANS R TRYING TO TAKE away this FALSE GLORY of getting BEATEN UP N NERDY ASS should be uprooted.
THE SOONER IT HAPPENS, THE BETTER IT IS FOR U.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 you are in denial. there is so little for india to be proud of, low avg. iq, terrible olympic performance. meanwhile China just launch tiangong and is building its own space station.
it is no wonder that indians love to lie to themselves and steal others accomplishments. indians cannot fight. never could. that is why you use gandhi. that is why you lost in 1962.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 LOLOLOL shaolin destruction magically destroy every source that says bodhi taught kung fu, but even the yi jin jing manage to survive.
im sure indian have equally amazing excuses as to why their avg. iq is so low and why they do so bad at olympics despite having a billion people.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 LOL @ indian talking about nerdy. please. nobody is nerdier than you guys are. always tough talk, but only tough action against pakistan. when you face REAL empires like British and Chinese, you got your asses kicked.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman YEAH i cant refuse if monks practised some kind of kid kung fu b4 bodhi just as every kid practices like scratching kung fu ,screaming kung fu etc
AFTER BODHI"S INSTRUCTION, THEY BECOME WORTHY OF FIGHTING. repeat it daily morning and evening until ur tiny brains grasps its meaning.
all the kungfu glory on which u stand is started by an indian lol.....Oh! i know its a bit difficult to digest but keep up ur practice. thats what they must be teaching u while preparing for olympics.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 pure delusions. as i keep reminding you, historians say otherwise. only indian goofs keep saying otherwise.
how come you have no source of your own? why if you keep saying bodhi did what he did, do no indian records say anything? nobody in all of indian history notice chinese starting to use indian martial art? not 1 indian person in history made a comment on it before youtube?
LOLOLOLOOOOOOL
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 nope, again, learn the MYTH properly. he didnt teach anyone anything. he sat on his fat ass in a cave and stared a rock wall for years. eating nothing. drinking nothing.
and disappeared into thin air. leaving behind 2 books. 1 being the yi jin jing. which doesnt teach any fighting, only stretches and breathing exercises.
you delusional dreaming indians dont even know the MYTH ROFL.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman now how did u know this that he did"nt teach anything.and by the way if u r so curious that what bodhi taught them thru which they SUDDENLY BCAME SO STRONGE FROM BEING NERDS then UR CHINESE, SHAOLIN IS NEAR TO U, U CAN VISIT N ASK MONKS, THE MASTERS that WHAT BODHI TAUGHT, HOW HE TAUGHT AND WHY HE TAUGHT LOOL.
not only indians talk this generations of ur fighting masters TALK THIS LOOOOL.
u talk of indian martial records, i dont think that indians even kept religious records lol
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 LOLOLOL im not curious. i know the MYTH and i know the truth. everything i say, has been said before by historical text and historians themselves. i linked to "A Venerated Forgery: The Daoist Origins of Shaolin’s Famous Yijin Jing Manual By Jim R. McClanahan"
which explain in detail why its a myth. only silly indians believe.
i dont doubt indians have few records. look how easily you believe in fantasy. who needs records for the truth.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 indians love to lie and make things up. cant even speak chinese and pretend monks say this and that.
yet for some strange reason, historical records keep saying something different to what indians claim. how sad. how pathetic. how indian.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman " indians love to lie "
and chinese love to hide truth, even then when its said all open on a video. VERY DARING. good jop keep it up . may be it was a joke or if not do the copy paste exercise again that "shaolin monks dont credit bodhi"
THEN I"LL BEGIN TO THINK U WERE SERIOUS WHEN U SAID THIS.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 the truth is important. thats why chinese invented paper. to put history on it.
this history keeps telling you the myth is DEBUNKED. course even the MYTH never said bodhi taught monks kung fu.
so you pulled it out of your ass. the ONLY reason monks mention bodhi at all, is because they believe 2 things.
1. the yi jin jing is from bodhi
2. breathing exercises and stretches IS part of kung fu
if you ever ask them if they learnt ANY specific kung fu style (like tiger) its a NO
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman "the ONLY reason monks mention bodhi at all, is because"
YES THIS IS ANOTHER OF UR FLASHLIGHT DISCOVERY RIGHT NOW.
LOL, U INVENTED ALL THIS RIGHT NOW in order to save ur false chinese pride.
lol how can bodhi create something that was modified by shaolin descendants years and centuries later after bodhi. u know he cud not look into future.all that this south indian prince brought was taught to them, that saved them from thungs and raiders lol.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 its very clear indians, with their below avg iq, cant even debate properly. you cant never provide a real rebuttal to my posts. only quote very small incomplete sentences.
i explained everything in FULL DETAIL. the myth is that bodhi left behind the yi jin jing. THAT is where the stretching and brreathing techniques are found.
course its already proved to be false, but even the MYTH doesnt say bodhi actually TAUGHT anyone. only magically leave behind a book.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 the book itself doesnt teach a SINGLE fighting style. only breathing and stretching.
the truth is hard for indians to accept. constantly losing to foreigners. culture created by foreigners. have so few accomplishments despite having so many people.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 btw Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 3 months ago
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Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 i dare you to ask any monk, which specific styles were taught by bodhi. shaolin is known for its animal forms. 5 to be specific. tiger, crane, and so on.
NONE will say it was learned from bodhi. you know why? because again, historical record already documents how they were created. you cant get away from it. when even the MYTH doesnt say something and you do, it only shows you are dreaming.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman hahaha....... KUNG FU AT SHAOLIN B4 BODHI. nice joke. really made me laugh. lets suppose that there was still the monks physical condition was so bad, OWNED BY BANDITS, RAPED BY THUGS and lastly could"nt withstand even long meditations. thats ur great fu B4 BODHI LOL. i dont know if U MEAN TO REFER TO "THINKERS" WITH UR WORD "KUNG FU" but it must not be something physical at all.
BODHI TAUGHT THEM LOL, HOW NOT TO GET OWNED AND KICK THE ASS OF THOSE WHO RAIDED THE MONASTRY.
broulys1729 3 months ago
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@broulys1729 too bad for you, historical records show it. Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin.
you know, the same records you LACK.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 btw, those records are way older than shaolin. so even THEY survived. but magically every record that says bodhi taught shaolin monks kung fu disappeared in a fire. or so you say.
LOL everything else is ok and survive, but just those ones.
angryaznman 3 months ago
historians, indian ones, even tell the truth about your kalari myth.
Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman and ur statement " hoping for any glory they can cling onto" is at least half true. yes hoping for glory but not indians but dreamer chinese like u by eliminating HOW MUCH A SINGLE INDIAN AFFECTED CHINA. even so many names of chinese traditions and arts were named from indian words. this is the burden fools like u carry on ur head. trying to take at least a refreshing breath that yeah! kung fu was not influenced by bodhi. misery for u..........really
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 nope. aryans were foreign and supplanted the indus valley civilization. then mughals, came and built indias most famous icon, taj mahal. which is ISLAMIC.
then british came and conquer ALL of india.
indias whole pathetic history is 1 of being conquered completely by foreigners. even indian culture from the start was brought by aryans from central asia.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman "aryans were foreign.......................then mughals, came..................""
yeah yeah yeah YES SIR. SALUTE TO YOU. that WAS THE UNDISCOVERED RESON TILL NOW FOR SHAOLIN MONKS HAPPENING TO BE STRICT THINKERS B4 BODHI AND LEARNED TO FIGHT FROM BODHIDHARMA.
YES SIR,TRUE VERY TRUE.
AWESOME.
broulys1729 3 months ago
@broulys1729 indians whole history is based on foreigners and foreign rule. its no wonder you feel the need to lie and believe in delusions.
even today, india is a commonwealth nation. EVERY member country was part of the british empire. how embarassing.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@broulys1729 nobody learned how to fight from bodhi. only indians keep repeating a lie and hope it becomes true. the MYTH that has already been disproven, doesnt even say bodhi taught kung fu.
LOL learn to read please. if even the MYTH doesnt say it, it can only come from indians dreams.
angryaznman 3 months ago
@angryaznman "it can only come from indians dreams" PLUS some shaolin masters, monks, chinese abbots and such people.
but there is a problem, few chinese who are burdened by indian contribution feel difficult to breath. thats why want all such truths to be lies.
broulys1729 3 months ago