It was brilliant for the elitists and corrupt wealthy businessmen to pit ignorant Republicans against Obama by throwing out the socialist card. Obama is no socialist. The greedy people who want more for themselves would have you believe that equal rights and helping the less fortunate is "socialism." Plus socialism is not the same as communism. Socialism is merely a philosophy that doesn't really work.
Anyone who claims to be a socialist, philosophically, yet still keeps any of the income they have earned, is a total hypocrite. If you really believe that resources are best allocated in a centralized egalitarian way, then put your money where your mouth is and send 100% of your income to the government. Go on. Show us how much you trust others with the fruits of your labor. . .
tea baggers want every public system to be privatized..... If that will happen, I will declare independence from the United States, and laugh when a tea bagger gets a bill from the fire department after his/her house burned down.
I wasn´t even aware that a US democratic socialist party exists. I knew about a communist party there but i almost thought that Noam Chomsky is the only socialist democrat in the whole usa:)
I would realy wish you comrades to have more influence to the political scene over there .....
Nice that you were playing the internationale in the beginning :)
@GMHaire Are you saying that after saving the auto industry and a million jobs in the process, and after GM is well on their way to repaying their debt - Obama is refusing that repayment and has chosen to fire GM leadership and take over its operations? Government owns and operates GM?
@demmmmm1 Sorry I was wrong, Obama is a Commie, my bad.... Yes the Government took over GM, Obama abused his power like he's been doing for 2yrs by firing the CEO. you should wake up and do a little research on that loser and I don't mean all those liberal news sites. Here a tid bit of info. Obama claims to be such a good writer, when in fact his memoir he supposedly wrote; HE DIDN'T WRITE IT, One of his commie butt buddies did and his writing sucks ass. OBAMA IS A FRAUD!!!!! TRUE STORY!
@mewimi Please read wikipedia. org/wiki/Corporatism. Do a page search for Benito Mussolini and read about Italian Fascism. Our non-elected form of state officializing of every interest would be the FED and banks.
P.S. The phalics (Italian Fascist flag) photo to the left is also found on the walls of Congress.
How's that "socialism" working for you know...Greece, soon Spain, Porugal, even Germany "who's anthem you played I think?" are all bailing and scrambling to get out of the European Union. Good luck when you succeed here in finally allowing everyone to admit Obama is the Socialist he is!!
tea baggers accuse liberals as socialist while they act as anarchists...conservatives don't understand that a nation only prospers when all its people prosper
That is the most intelligent thing I've seen posted on youtube and you are 100% correct. Asshole conservatives don't care about anybody but their own greedy selves not the nation as a whole.
@stephen732 So you are saying that "liberals" are not socialists? How exactly is the Tea Party Patriots "anarchists?". Some times these ignorant posts who are busy teabagging themselves through the posts show such complete ignorance. What benefits do you really think happen from a Socialist/Liberal society? I don't understand you sheep who actually want to be them. Our founding fathers (America's) not yours, had it right, why destroy it?
@P11247 yes liberalism and socialism is not the same, are you suggesting otherwise? and the USA will not become a socialist state anytime soon, assuming the capitalist whores start playing by the rules. ideally the USA should strive to become a social democracy, just like all the other nations whose standard of living is higher than ours...
@P11247 I would not let stephen732 get you worked up, there is no way you will ever make sense to these individuals that are in this twisted state of mind. I was told that social democracies are the way to go, like China, Canada, and other places. China for one is not democratic, and Canada has a socialist parliament, but not having actually declared its self a socialist country(but does socialist things). For 200 years the US was #1 in the world. Once NAFTA&CAFTA started it screwed us all.
@P11247 Many people fail to realize that at the point we took away tariffs, that we opened up cheap labor in other countries to export to the us, thus taking jobs away from here. Did jobs leave before the tariffs were lifted, well yes, but on a much smaller scale. When the gates were opened all the jobs flowed out of the US that could be exported. CAFTA will never be repealed now because we owe much of our debt to China, and so no politician is going to make them mad.
@P11247 All kids now have been told to think the same way in public schools, which are funded by the govnerment for as long as they fullfil the govnerments requirements. I used to teach religious ed and it is scary, that non of the kids (all came from a public school) believed what the church believed was right, only what the govnernment and news media told them was right. Scary... This is what we have to look forward to. America is dying.
@P11247 Check out the Jefferson Memorial at some point, if you haven't already. Clearly, the way the US is going now is not how the founders of the US had intended. It is very upsetting to read those great words from a founder of the Constitution and seeing all he wrote and all he believed being spit upon. You are right, stephen732 is wrong. He is one of many who have fallen into a anti-constitution state of thinking.
@P11247 Quality of life (as measured by the human development index) and social mobility is measurably higher in countries with stronger social safety nets and high tax brackets, like Sweden and Norway. While you can't necessary attribute that fully to "socialist" policies, there are plenty of good reasons to believe that things like welfare and universal healthcare are good for society.
Also, a lot of conservatives seem to be imagining this past utopian America that simply never existed.
@stephen732 Your smart and you are RIGHT brother! Liberals are true democracy and republitards are just greedy racists! Teabaggers are racists, that's true enough to be provable beyond a shadow of a doubt. And there all greedy white poeple that dont want us little poeple to have money&power.They can just print $80000 for every one of us and take it back from evil poeple!
@stephen732 You don't even understand when people prosper. You are profoundly ignorant, which includes stupid. Try drinking some Luzianne, instead of that electric Kool-aid.
Conservatives act like anarchists? No they don't. That's about as stupid as saying "Obama is a socialist". Anarchists want to abandon governments and laws. On the civil side, Conservatives want as big of a government as possible. They want to control abortion, euthanasia, drugs,religion, etc. No anarchist would do that.
For those who may be interested, there is a relatively new lecture/slideshow by Peter on The Zeitgeist Movement homepage. The lecture was given at a univesity in the midwest and runs about 2 hours. He did a good job.
@Jeff6851 - I couldn't agree more...he COULD have taken over the banks, auto etc, he DIDN'T do any of that. The a-holes on the right label him socialist and say it enough so it sticks. Raising the top bracket back to 39% from 36% is NOT socialism!
@Jeff6851 You right he aint all that. just if he wold just print the money and maake it fair so everbody gets $80000 dolars a year and everbody is equal. Just because I only have 10 grade dont mean i'm not smart I just need a free college, and, then I deserve a good job I like to do. ANd if rich white people dont give more to us then we going to take it your Own FAULT!
@Jeff6851 ... he tax the wealthy more then people on welfare hmmmmmmm SOCIALIST universal health care hmmmmmmm SOCIALIST. doesnt matter if he is a good president or not (which hes not) he is still a socialist and if you dont think he is then u dont know what socialism is!
@studdmuffen8 He extended the Bush tax cuts. His tax policies are the Bush tax policies. In fact, aside from his healthcare efforts, Obama is Bush. So, if Obama is a socialist, then so is Dubya.
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We know President Obama has taken over the large banks, insurance companies (AIG), automakers giving GM unions and government 73% investors got 27%,government said Fiat tookover Chrysler think again Fiat 20%,investors 15% unions&government 65% Now that Obama is strictly for the unions who is going to negotiate the contracts? and how long will the government be in charge of GM & Chrysler. Now since this is the Democratic Socialist Of America what the hell is it?
how about all those "socialized" evils such as public schooling for your children, cheap public transportation, the post office, public libraries, police and fire departments, etc., that are offered to us? is everyone against those, too? i hate to burst anyone's bubble, but socialized medicine is already here in some capacity, and has been for quite some time. what else would you call the county hospitals where you can receive free treatment? people should stop watching fox news...
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YEA>>> AND IT NEEDS TO STOP. This is a REPUBLIC, not a communist country. Socialism is a branch of Communism, look it up. Give the Economy back to the people.
Socialism isn`t a branch of communism. Communism is an old kind of socialism and it has failed (remember U.S.S.R.). The socialism is in the goverment of Sweden, Spain, Brazil, etc, and these countries have overcame poverty too much. Examples: Poverty in Brazil has fallen 20%, Spain is a wonderful country to live (it has a free health plan for all Spanishs, and I DON´T HAVE TO PAY U$ 500 TO CALL AN AMBULANCE, IT´S FREE!!!) . I am from Spain, this´s a polite message. Greetings, JORGE
does spain have any of the type of influence america has on the world... none... brazil, spain, and sweden are very "into themselves and not into foreign policy" type of countries... when was the last time any of these countries fought against terrorism... spain bailed on the US in iraq due to the bombing of their trains... what pansy... no protection of their own citizens... whatever...
Democratic socialism is a great system. Sweden, Italy, France, and just about every European country can be considered democratic socialist. I wouldn't say communism is an awful system.
Stalin was a communist, but not a socialist. Socialism is where some degree of capitalism still remains. Under Stalin, there was NO degree of capitalism. So he wasn't a socialist like many say. He was a communist, however, a somewhat distorted version of the system that Marx and Engels described. Pol Pot! Mao!
Actually, it's quite the opposite. Communism is a branch of Socialism. Socialism is any system that places industry under public ownership. The difference is that democratic socialists believe people should choose what is to be produced. Communism is where the govenrment chooses what is to be produced. Communism is an authoritarian version of socialism.
This man seems to be smart enough to know there are many forms of socialism. To say Obama is not a socialist is insane. Damn near everthing Obama has done is some sort of social program . It is not like he can wake up and say on friday we become a socialist country, it is a slow process that gets us a little at a time.
Most people don't know what socialism actually means. And for people who have access to the internet there is absolutely no excuse for this except willful ignorance - a viral pandemic in the USA
Obama's policies are for the state to own much of the critical industry, or to closely control industry and decide who the real players are... ethnic groups, religion, political parties are divided by favor into the haves and have nots. All facets of life are tightly regulated by the state.
With Socialism, the workers own the factories. That is the definition of virtually any brand of Communism / Socialism / Marxism.
According to Marx, the socialist state should actually have no government. You have no idea what socialism is. And fascism is a combination of socialism and nationalism. Neither ideology has anything to do with government control, except that when they gain power, they control things (as would any ideology).
DEMOCRATIC Socialism is where workers own the means of production. Socialism in general is very vague and can also include, Communism, which is even more vague, since most if it is considered "Marxism".
Communism is where the people own the means of production through the government although in communism, the government decides what is produced, not the people.
Ultimately, if it's not democratic, than it's not socialist, it's Leninism. He came up with the idea of a Dictatorship of the Proletariat. In his own time, that was considered outrageous by the other socialists, who did not think that govt. had any part in bringing about a socialist state. Even Lenin only wanted to use it as a vehicle to the ideal Socialist state.
@Zarathustra34 A dictatorship of the proletariat was democratic. Marx even pointed out the Commune de Paris as an example of a communist society. Lenin believed int he Vanguard of the Proletariat, where the revolution could be ensured only by "professional" revolutionaries. Lenin was a right wing communist, who hated the ideals of left wing communist; or orthodox marxist.
I think you're just splitting hairs at this point.
However, if I can be on either end of the spectrum and be considered a socialist, isn't it meaningless to call me one, since there is such a wide variety of definitions which could place me in that category?
I contend that Lenin was a tyrant who spoke the language of socialism, and used it to justify his tyrany. I would not call the man any sort of socialist.
One last point on the militarlism, since Obama took office casualties are up in Iraq you may have heard of the recent surge in violence, no? And he increased troop levels in Afghanistan and he has launch missle strikes on Pakistan civilians inside their border. During his campaing he promised to bring all troops home within six monthes of his taking office.
You mustn't have noticed the Pravada's denowncment of Obama's 'decent into Marxism' either. And you don't refute any of my points with logic only sarcasim. I'm sorry but I hoped for a more thoughtful dialogue. It's a waste of time to converse with someone so combative. Are you sure your not a liberal in the Americian sense?
So a fascist economy is one that while means of production remains private it is forcefully controled by the government who dictates salries , what is produced and where goods are sold.
He then gives controling interest to the union thugs he uses as his 'brown shirts' who don't have a nickel in it by the way. But not before he forces the sale of GM's most lucritive model , the Hummer to the Chinese. Now to pass his 'health care reform' he has been demonizing doctors acussing them of amputating patents feet for extra profit. It has all back fired on him. Now there are mass protest of his appearences and also other democrats but the MSM isn't covering the opposition.
After the CEO's and their families recieve death threats Obama sets up a 'Czar' to set executive pay. The automotive bail out. At the first meeting he set up with execs. he sends them home empty handed because the dared show up in corporate jets. This while Obama has his whole family including his inlaws jetting around the world with him to conduct affairs of state. Then he bullies stock investors who include retirees who live of the interest to settle for pennies on the dollar .
Oh I forgot: Of course, again, fascism is militarism; oh I get it now, if we define fascism as militarism it become obvious that Obama doesn´t fit your fascism definition. A suggestion: why don't you repeat the 'real americans' chorus and join the 'Obama the socialist' tendency. It´s easier and you won´t have to play the clown
More socialist bullshit. Jobs have moved offshore due to the confiscatory tax policies enacted by Democrat federal and state legislatures. Don't bitch and moan when you lost your job if your politicians decide to raise taxes on "the rich". Most academics are morons whom could never survive in the real world.
Ok, taxes did it's thing; but... CONFISCATORY? Oh please man!!! No other developed country has so ridiculous tax policy thtan the U.S. I understand that with Obama there's a real reason believe there will be a change in the U,S economy; But what's to take this to the "obama's a socialist" level, or the "I want my America back" level? That's fuckin discusting, dishonest. As i've been saying, that's FOX News' economics.
Thanks for posting this. Now instead of having to explain it myself every time some moron says Obama is a radical socialist, I can just direct them to this video.
tomofonorthcal. A socialist doesn't have to nationalize everything. Its about giving the worker's control. State control is rightist conservative socialism.
Please, for my pleasure. Go to any department of history or political theory. Tell that imbecility to the departament's field expert and you'll be surprised. I won't, because I'm a cult person. Another challenge: go tell a hardcore fascist that he's a leftist and you'll see. Another: Have you read the father of burocratisation theory, max weber? burocracy is a basic feature of the modern state. I guess this morons believe that the burocratic absolutisms were lefist!! The same Reisman's bullshit
Weber was a complete left wing nut job. In 1912 he tried to organise a political party that was even rejected by liberals because of their fear of revolutionary left ideals. Weber's work was vehemently attacked by followers of the Austrian school of economics who descibe themselves as anarcho-capitalists and libertarians who describe themselves as right wing.
"weber was complete left wing"(!!!!) Oh shit! The ignorance strikes back!! The first dat of WWI he came to an acdemic seminar with his army's reservist uniform. Weber has been called the liberal Marx (I can't imagine you could understand what does means 'liberal in european context'). Go fast to the wikipedia... maybe you find domething else. (Weber leftist!!! hahaha lol) Dishonesty is your business. KEEP TRYING !!! You look so cute with your right wing disjonesy! You're a real american!!!
oF COURSE ANARCHISM IS LEFT WING...... OH I GET NOW, ECONOMIC LIBERTARIANS ARE ANARCHISTS!!! PRICELESS. dID YOU KOW THAT ROTHBARD UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS HARD TO USE THE WORD ANARCHISM TO DEFINE ITS GROUP BECAUSE anarchism WAS BORN AS A LEFT WING MOVEMENT. i get now: YOU SEE YOURSELF AS AN ANARCHIST, NO?
First of all, hit that button on the left your use of all caps is hard on the eyes and makes me feel like I'm talking to a little kid. Anarchism appears leftist because leftist for revolutronary purposes abused it's banner to achieve their ends. Anarchism means absence of a state. All left wing movements use the state as their tool to achieve their ends. Every leftist-statist regime that has existed is or was totaltarian=left of all stripes-communist,socialist,facist...
You ignore fascism debate: (class, structure, racism, nationalism, capitalism). Dou you think VW, Siemens, Basf were doing bad with Adolph?workers had been stopd, and he was, with a social revolution ahead,a little sacrifice, profits were then secure
whyThere was an lftwing anrchst opostion to russian rev, Marx and communism (vb spanish republic)? there's an economic anarchismBut the main tradition of anarchsm iscollectivistic.Your facism misunderstanding?:Toconsider only fascism'seconomic features:state managed economy.
fascism's economic feature: state managed economy, THANK YOU.
Now if you want to add other componates of Obama's fascist ideology lets consider the chuch he sat in for twenty years. Black Liberation Theology- preaches black nationalism, black supramacy and is rooted in marxism.
Merkel'sSocialpolicy, intended makes her a fascist? What you're saying is that all publix expenditure policy is fascism? Keynes? A fucking fascist!! Europe's Antifascists Popular fronts in 20's and 30's? Fascists!!
Go to Italy, go to Germany, and tell everyone that U.S is going to fascism; that peoples will laugh at you, as the world is laughing right now with "Obama the socialist and fascist". You can't imagine tne world's perplexity before this clownS show
Final comment: an implication of your absurd definition of fascism -whose unique purpose is transform Obama into a fascist- is that all fucking Europe, NOW, TODAY, is FASCIST!!, not to speak about other continents. Man, I'm afraid to ask but i have to: all developed countries gives their states, BY FAR, a more important role in the economy management, than that promoted by Obama fot the U.S: BY FAR, BY FAR!!! So, do you think all developed countries are fascists?
Are you some sort of a clown? You don't seem uneducated so either you are some sort of antagonist clown or you really are uninformed of Obama's application of policy and I'm not talking about his BS hope and change.Every week he is demonizing one economic sector or another. The bank bail outs for instance, he claims to 'bail them out' to save the economy but once they are indebted he accusses them of 'obscene profits' and has paid protestors buses in to protest in front of CEO's houses .
State Capitalism has elements of socialism taken into account, as did national socialism. Facism can be either left or right, it's not really defined by economic policy.
Hey mediaphotographer, you are IGNORANT. The socialist leader Dr. Joseph Schwartz is saying the truth. Our industry has been sent overseas causing harm to working class people and to the economic stability of the uS as a whole. Righwing propaganda in the US media hides this fact. I don't see Obama acting at all like a socialist. Though he nationalized a few US corps, he gives them back to the private sector. A true socialist would nationalize all large biz, finance, banks, and maybe medium biz.
I have to assume you didn't actually watch this video. You see, the gentleman in this video is actually a leader of a Socialist organization and understands the difference between a center-right Democrat and a Socialist.
The colorful language use along with the puny rationales you advance for your position are rather clear evidence that you don't know what you're talking about.
what a lying bunch of crap . Socialist scholars conference meeting that obama was at in the 80"s. What about the NEW PARTY founded in 1990's that obama joined in 1995. how about his buddy dr. Marable? the slimb ball is up to his ass as a socialist..done believe this shit hole lying mother fucker.
Well I'm an atheist but I've been to church, I've lived in Poland, catholic mecca ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC THAT MAKES ME A RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN.
I'm a lefty but I joined Sean Hannity's website and a couple of other conservative websites. I'm on a newsletter that sends me junk by Alan Dershowitz on a regular basis - I'm still a lefty.
My good friend Bridget is a born again christian conservative, that doesn't make me one. The majority of my connections are still liberal/left. Get a brain.
Obama is a puppet of finance capital working for the gloablist NWO agenda.
MrPurpose79 1 month ago
It was brilliant for the elitists and corrupt wealthy businessmen to pit ignorant Republicans against Obama by throwing out the socialist card. Obama is no socialist. The greedy people who want more for themselves would have you believe that equal rights and helping the less fortunate is "socialism." Plus socialism is not the same as communism. Socialism is merely a philosophy that doesn't really work.
GenerationX1984 5 months ago
@GenerationX1984 socialism is a philosophy that doesn't work..That doesn't make sense at all....
Tougemaster06 4 months ago
Anyone who claims to be a socialist, philosophically, yet still keeps any of the income they have earned, is a total hypocrite. If you really believe that resources are best allocated in a centralized egalitarian way, then put your money where your mouth is and send 100% of your income to the government. Go on. Show us how much you trust others with the fruits of your labor. . .
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rmcdaniel423 8 months ago
People who call Obama a socialist, communist or marxist have no idea what those words even mean. That's a fact.
SomeoneCrazy2 9 months ago
@SomeoneCrazy2 They have a better clue than you.
nachodaddy 4 months ago
@nachodaddy I know for a fact that I'm a socialist, and that Obama is not. If you think you know better, please explain.
SomeoneCrazy2 4 months ago
Why Obama is not socialist? Because communists do not allow you to be simultaneously socialist.
yuowatcher 1 year ago
tea baggers want every public system to be privatized..... If that will happen, I will declare independence from the United States, and laugh when a tea bagger gets a bill from the fire department after his/her house burned down.
MrThahey 1 year ago
@MrThahey Good move you lamer...
GMHaire 11 months ago
I wasn´t even aware that a US democratic socialist party exists. I knew about a communist party there but i almost thought that Noam Chomsky is the only socialist democrat in the whole usa:)
I would realy wish you comrades to have more influence to the political scene over there .....
Nice that you were playing the internationale in the beginning :)
Sozialistische Grüße
blutkehlchen666 1 year ago
OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST!!!!!
GMHaire 1 year ago
@GMHaire Are you saying that after saving the auto industry and a million jobs in the process, and after GM is well on their way to repaying their debt - Obama is refusing that repayment and has chosen to fire GM leadership and take over its operations? Government owns and operates GM?
Or are you full of it.
demmmmm1 1 year ago
@demmmmm1 Sorry I was wrong, Obama is a Commie, my bad.... Yes the Government took over GM, Obama abused his power like he's been doing for 2yrs by firing the CEO. you should wake up and do a little research on that loser and I don't mean all those liberal news sites. Here a tid bit of info. Obama claims to be such a good writer, when in fact his memoir he supposedly wrote; HE DIDN'T WRITE IT, One of his commie butt buddies did and his writing sucks ass. OBAMA IS A FRAUD!!!!! TRUE STORY!
GMHaire 11 months ago
I agree Obama isn't a socialist. He is a fascist or corporatist if you will, but then again so is McCain.
If your a lover of Liberty, Voting for either one is a bit like asking if you wont to be shot in the head or hart.
The really sad part is that they're about 80 or so socialist holding seats in Congress. wnd. com? pageId=191609
robertcgage 1 year ago
@robertcgage corporatist yes, fascist no.
mewimi 1 year ago
@mewimi Please read wikipedia. org/wiki/Corporatism. Do a page search for Benito Mussolini and read about Italian Fascism. Our non-elected form of state officializing of every interest would be the FED and banks.
P.S. The phalics (Italian Fascist flag) photo to the left is also found on the walls of Congress.
robertcgage 1 year ago
@robertcgage Oh please, no half-assed conspiracy theories plox
mewimi 1 year ago
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@mewimi What do you consider a conspiracy theory?
Obviously you didn't read the url I provided. Near the bottom is a paragraph on U.S. corporatism an in its statement it is Fascism.
robertcgage 1 year ago
Did this guy even take a breath?! And does he know he has completely ignored the US Constitution?
SuZW51 1 year ago
OMG, did this guy take a breath?!!! And does he know he is completely ignoring the US Constitution?
SuZW51 1 year ago
What version of the internationale is at the start?
frasssaa 1 year ago
How's that "socialism" working for you know...Greece, soon Spain, Porugal, even Germany "who's anthem you played I think?" are all bailing and scrambling to get out of the European Union. Good luck when you succeed here in finally allowing everyone to admit Obama is the Socialist he is!!
P11247 1 year ago
the majority of mainstream conservative Americans scare way too easy
they don';t like the idea of the rich attempting to help the poor
BOLSHEVIXTREME 2 years ago 3
tea baggers accuse liberals as socialist while they act as anarchists...conservatives don't understand that a nation only prospers when all its people prosper
stephen732 1 year ago 10
@stephen732
That is the most intelligent thing I've seen posted on youtube and you are 100% correct. Asshole conservatives don't care about anybody but their own greedy selves not the nation as a whole.
hvillin 1 year ago
@stephen732 So you are saying that "liberals" are not socialists? How exactly is the Tea Party Patriots "anarchists?". Some times these ignorant posts who are busy teabagging themselves through the posts show such complete ignorance. What benefits do you really think happen from a Socialist/Liberal society? I don't understand you sheep who actually want to be them. Our founding fathers (America's) not yours, had it right, why destroy it?
P11247 1 year ago
@P11247 yes liberalism and socialism is not the same, are you suggesting otherwise? and the USA will not become a socialist state anytime soon, assuming the capitalist whores start playing by the rules. ideally the USA should strive to become a social democracy, just like all the other nations whose standard of living is higher than ours...
stephen732 1 year ago
@P11247 I would not let stephen732 get you worked up, there is no way you will ever make sense to these individuals that are in this twisted state of mind. I was told that social democracies are the way to go, like China, Canada, and other places. China for one is not democratic, and Canada has a socialist parliament, but not having actually declared its self a socialist country(but does socialist things). For 200 years the US was #1 in the world. Once NAFTA&CAFTA started it screwed us all.
MrSeanselleck 1 year ago
@P11247 Many people fail to realize that at the point we took away tariffs, that we opened up cheap labor in other countries to export to the us, thus taking jobs away from here. Did jobs leave before the tariffs were lifted, well yes, but on a much smaller scale. When the gates were opened all the jobs flowed out of the US that could be exported. CAFTA will never be repealed now because we owe much of our debt to China, and so no politician is going to make them mad.
MrSeanselleck 1 year ago
@P11247 All kids now have been told to think the same way in public schools, which are funded by the govnerment for as long as they fullfil the govnerments requirements. I used to teach religious ed and it is scary, that non of the kids (all came from a public school) believed what the church believed was right, only what the govnernment and news media told them was right. Scary... This is what we have to look forward to. America is dying.
MrSeanselleck 1 year ago
@P11247 Check out the Jefferson Memorial at some point, if you haven't already. Clearly, the way the US is going now is not how the founders of the US had intended. It is very upsetting to read those great words from a founder of the Constitution and seeing all he wrote and all he believed being spit upon. You are right, stephen732 is wrong. He is one of many who have fallen into a anti-constitution state of thinking.
MrSeanselleck 1 year ago
@P11247 Quality of life (as measured by the human development index) and social mobility is measurably higher in countries with stronger social safety nets and high tax brackets, like Sweden and Norway. While you can't necessary attribute that fully to "socialist" policies, there are plenty of good reasons to believe that things like welfare and universal healthcare are good for society.
Also, a lot of conservatives seem to be imagining this past utopian America that simply never existed.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@stephen732 Your smart and you are RIGHT brother! Liberals are true democracy and republitards are just greedy racists! Teabaggers are racists, that's true enough to be provable beyond a shadow of a doubt. And there all greedy white poeple that dont want us little poeple to have money&power.They can just print $80000 for every one of us and take it back from evil poeple!
YosupMofo 1 year ago
@stephen732 You don't even understand when people prosper. You are profoundly ignorant, which includes stupid. Try drinking some Luzianne, instead of that electric Kool-aid.
nachodaddy 4 months ago
@stephen732
Conservatives act like anarchists? No they don't. That's about as stupid as saying "Obama is a socialist". Anarchists want to abandon governments and laws. On the civil side, Conservatives want as big of a government as possible. They want to control abortion, euthanasia, drugs,religion, etc. No anarchist would do that.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
For those who may be interested, there is a relatively new lecture/slideshow by Peter on The Zeitgeist Movement homepage. The lecture was given at a univesity in the midwest and runs about 2 hours. He did a good job.
itrainsinoctober 2 years ago
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hahahaha every lib claims hes not socialist. he is a socialist pansy. he was picked by the globalist's, the cfr, the federal bankers, and acorn
iluvdakushgroove 2 years ago
because we all know that bankers and socialism are like peanut butter and jelly
Zarathustra34 2 years ago
this just proves your own paranoia and stupidity
BTW you it's impossible to be a liberal and a socialist at the same time
BOLSHEVIXTREME 2 years ago
Anyone who thinks that he is a socialist is a blinded conservative
Jeff6851 2 years ago 15
@Jeff6851 - I couldn't agree more...he COULD have taken over the banks, auto etc, he DIDN'T do any of that. The a-holes on the right label him socialist and say it enough so it sticks. Raising the top bracket back to 39% from 36% is NOT socialism!
Ruby1978 1 year ago
@Jeff6851 well he said he was LOL
Jello743 1 year ago
@Jeff6851 You right he aint all that. just if he wold just print the money and maake it fair so everbody gets $80000 dolars a year and everbody is equal. Just because I only have 10 grade dont mean i'm not smart I just need a free college, and, then I deserve a good job I like to do. ANd if rich white people dont give more to us then we going to take it your Own FAULT!
YosupMofo 1 year ago
@Jeff6851 ... he tax the wealthy more then people on welfare hmmmmmmm SOCIALIST universal health care hmmmmmmm SOCIALIST. doesnt matter if he is a good president or not (which hes not) he is still a socialist and if you dont think he is then u dont know what socialism is!
studdmuffen8 8 months ago
@studdmuffen8 He extended the Bush tax cuts. His tax policies are the Bush tax policies. In fact, aside from his healthcare efforts, Obama is Bush. So, if Obama is a socialist, then so is Dubya.
BPKesq 7 months ago
@BPKesq no bush didnt try to create one social class like obama is right now
studdmuffen8 7 months ago
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We know President Obama has taken over the large banks, insurance companies (AIG), automakers giving GM unions and government 73% investors got 27%,government said Fiat tookover Chrysler think again Fiat 20%,investors 15% unions&government 65% Now that Obama is strictly for the unions who is going to negotiate the contracts? and how long will the government be in charge of GM & Chrysler. Now since this is the Democratic Socialist Of America what the hell is it?
oldacman 2 years ago
He doesn't look like a "black" President?
Meaning that blacks only have one point of view on things?
Talk about racist.
zerotolerance4u 2 years ago
how about all those "socialized" evils such as public schooling for your children, cheap public transportation, the post office, public libraries, police and fire departments, etc., that are offered to us? is everyone against those, too? i hate to burst anyone's bubble, but socialized medicine is already here in some capacity, and has been for quite some time. what else would you call the county hospitals where you can receive free treatment? people should stop watching fox news...
ryansyncope 2 years ago
thank you. Its good to see informed citizenry
Sahibsocialist 2 years ago
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YEA>>> AND IT NEEDS TO STOP. This is a REPUBLIC, not a communist country. Socialism is a branch of Communism, look it up. Give the Economy back to the people.
wearefreedom 2 years ago
Socialism isn`t a branch of communism. Communism is an old kind of socialism and it has failed (remember U.S.S.R.). The socialism is in the goverment of Sweden, Spain, Brazil, etc, and these countries have overcame poverty too much. Examples: Poverty in Brazil has fallen 20%, Spain is a wonderful country to live (it has a free health plan for all Spanishs, and I DON´T HAVE TO PAY U$ 500 TO CALL AN AMBULANCE, IT´S FREE!!!) . I am from Spain, this´s a polite message. Greetings, JORGE
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JorgeMZ09 2 years ago 4
does spain have any of the type of influence america has on the world... none... brazil, spain, and sweden are very "into themselves and not into foreign policy" type of countries... when was the last time any of these countries fought against terrorism... spain bailed on the US in iraq due to the bombing of their trains... what pansy... no protection of their own citizens... whatever...
iongi229 2 years ago
and when was the last time Sweden was attacked by terrorists, perhaps it's better not to have to fight.
You can't exactly call american foreign policy admirable.
Chairmaneoin 1 year ago
Democratic socialism is a great system. Sweden, Italy, France, and just about every European country can be considered democratic socialist. I wouldn't say communism is an awful system.
Stalin was a communist, but not a socialist. Socialism is where some degree of capitalism still remains. Under Stalin, there was NO degree of capitalism. So he wasn't a socialist like many say. He was a communist, however, a somewhat distorted version of the system that Marx and Engels described. Pol Pot! Mao!
CommunistPolicies 2 years ago
"give the economy back to the people"
you mean where the worker controls the means of production??? I believe that's called...socialism!
ddean1987 2 years ago
so you'd rather have the govrnment control the economy... COMMIE!! lol
Chairmaneoin 1 year ago
Actually, it's quite the opposite. Communism is a branch of Socialism. Socialism is any system that places industry under public ownership. The difference is that democratic socialists believe people should choose what is to be produced. Communism is where the govenrment chooses what is to be produced. Communism is an authoritarian version of socialism.
CommunistPolicies 2 years ago
This man seems to be smart enough to know there are many forms of socialism. To say Obama is not a socialist is insane. Damn near everthing Obama has done is some sort of social program . It is not like he can wake up and say on friday we become a socialist country, it is a slow process that gets us a little at a time.
larry267 2 years ago
Most people don't know what socialism actually means. And for people who have access to the internet there is absolutely no excuse for this except willful ignorance - a viral pandemic in the USA
leland61 2 years ago 3
Finally, someone with a good head on their shoulders.
Zarathustra34 2 years ago
Obama is not a socialist. I agree with this professor.
LLORT3 2 years ago 2
You are correct.
With Socialism the state owns everything.
Obama's policies are for the state to own much of the critical industry, or to closely control industry and decide who the real players are... ethnic groups, religion, political parties are divided by favor into the haves and have nots. All facets of life are tightly regulated by the state.
This is Fascism not Socialism.
loggerbuck 2 years ago
you can have socialism without the state owning everything. It is called worker control.
rring88 2 years ago
With Socialism, the workers own the factories. That is the definition of virtually any brand of Communism / Socialism / Marxism.
According to Marx, the socialist state should actually have no government. You have no idea what socialism is. And fascism is a combination of socialism and nationalism. Neither ideology has anything to do with government control, except that when they gain power, they control things (as would any ideology).
Zarathustra34 2 years ago
DEMOCRATIC Socialism is where workers own the means of production. Socialism in general is very vague and can also include, Communism, which is even more vague, since most if it is considered "Marxism".
Communism is where the people own the means of production through the government although in communism, the government decides what is produced, not the people.
CommunistPolicies 2 years ago
Ultimately, if it's not democratic, than it's not socialist, it's Leninism. He came up with the idea of a Dictatorship of the Proletariat. In his own time, that was considered outrageous by the other socialists, who did not think that govt. had any part in bringing about a socialist state. Even Lenin only wanted to use it as a vehicle to the ideal Socialist state.
Zarathustra34 2 years ago 3
@Zarathustra34 A dictatorship of the proletariat was democratic. Marx even pointed out the Commune de Paris as an example of a communist society. Lenin believed int he Vanguard of the Proletariat, where the revolution could be ensured only by "professional" revolutionaries. Lenin was a right wing communist, who hated the ideals of left wing communist; or orthodox marxist.
Tougemaster06 2 years ago
I think you're just splitting hairs at this point.
However, if I can be on either end of the spectrum and be considered a socialist, isn't it meaningless to call me one, since there is such a wide variety of definitions which could place me in that category?
I contend that Lenin was a tyrant who spoke the language of socialism, and used it to justify his tyrany. I would not call the man any sort of socialist.
Zarathustra34 2 years ago
@Zarathustra34 You are an idiot.
longlivetheloud2 2 years ago
@Tougemaster06 No, he just was't an idealist idiot.
longlivetheloud2 2 years ago
Yeah I think this is capitalism since he wants wealth to flow from main street to wall street.
But at least we agree this is nowhere near Socialism. I would actually like Obama if he were Socialist! :)
LLORT3 2 years ago 4
One last point on the militarlism, since Obama took office casualties are up in Iraq you may have heard of the recent surge in violence, no? And he increased troop levels in Afghanistan and he has launch missle strikes on Pakistan civilians inside their border. During his campaing he promised to bring all troops home within six monthes of his taking office.
Good night.
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
You mustn't have noticed the Pravada's denowncment of Obama's 'decent into Marxism' either. And you don't refute any of my points with logic only sarcasim. I'm sorry but I hoped for a more thoughtful dialogue. It's a waste of time to converse with someone so combative. Are you sure your not a liberal in the Americian sense?
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
So a fascist economy is one that while means of production remains private it is forcefully controled by the government who dictates salries , what is produced and where goods are sold.
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
He then gives controling interest to the union thugs he uses as his 'brown shirts' who don't have a nickel in it by the way. But not before he forces the sale of GM's most lucritive model , the Hummer to the Chinese. Now to pass his 'health care reform' he has been demonizing doctors acussing them of amputating patents feet for extra profit. It has all back fired on him. Now there are mass protest of his appearences and also other democrats but the MSM isn't covering the opposition.
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
After the CEO's and their families recieve death threats Obama sets up a 'Czar' to set executive pay. The automotive bail out. At the first meeting he set up with execs. he sends them home empty handed because the dared show up in corporate jets. This while Obama has his whole family including his inlaws jetting around the world with him to conduct affairs of state. Then he bullies stock investors who include retirees who live of the interest to settle for pennies on the dollar .
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
Oh I forgot: Of course, again, fascism is militarism; oh I get it now, if we define fascism as militarism it become obvious that Obama doesn´t fit your fascism definition. A suggestion: why don't you repeat the 'real americans' chorus and join the 'Obama the socialist' tendency. It´s easier and you won´t have to play the clown
magomezga 2 years ago
More socialist bullshit. Jobs have moved offshore due to the confiscatory tax policies enacted by Democrat federal and state legislatures. Don't bitch and moan when you lost your job if your politicians decide to raise taxes on "the rich". Most academics are morons whom could never survive in the real world.
MrPaulmart 2 years ago
Ok, taxes did it's thing; but... CONFISCATORY? Oh please man!!! No other developed country has so ridiculous tax policy thtan the U.S. I understand that with Obama there's a real reason believe there will be a change in the U,S economy; But what's to take this to the "obama's a socialist" level, or the "I want my America back" level? That's fuckin discusting, dishonest. As i've been saying, that's FOX News' economics.
magomezga 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this. Now instead of having to explain it myself every time some moron says Obama is a radical socialist, I can just direct them to this video.
jkerouac02 2 years ago
tomofonorthcal. A socialist doesn't have to nationalize everything. Its about giving the worker's control. State control is rightist conservative socialism.
Sahibsocialist 2 years ago
Your right obama isn't a socialist - he's a FACIST!!!
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
oh shit!!! And i guess you're a real american. no? Which level of dihosnesty is required to say that shit?
magomezga 2 years ago
Mussolini on facism,"the bureaucrsatisation of economic activities of a nation".
wikipedia- facist forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government.
Sorry , facism is a leftist ideology
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
Please, for my pleasure. Go to any department of history or political theory. Tell that imbecility to the departament's field expert and you'll be surprised. I won't, because I'm a cult person. Another challenge: go tell a hardcore fascist that he's a leftist and you'll see. Another: Have you read the father of burocratisation theory, max weber? burocracy is a basic feature of the modern state. I guess this morons believe that the burocratic absolutisms were lefist!! The same Reisman's bullshit
magomezga 2 years ago
Weber was a complete left wing nut job. In 1912 he tried to organise a political party that was even rejected by liberals because of their fear of revolutionary left ideals. Weber's work was vehemently attacked by followers of the Austrian school of economics who descibe themselves as anarcho-capitalists and libertarians who describe themselves as right wing.
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
"weber was complete left wing"(!!!!) Oh shit! The ignorance strikes back!! The first dat of WWI he came to an acdemic seminar with his army's reservist uniform. Weber has been called the liberal Marx (I can't imagine you could understand what does means 'liberal in european context'). Go fast to the wikipedia... maybe you find domething else. (Weber leftist!!! hahaha lol) Dishonesty is your business. KEEP TRYING !!! You look so cute with your right wing disjonesy! You're a real american!!!
magomezga 2 years ago
Oh, I get it now! Militarism=facism. I bet you think anarchists are left wing?
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
oF COURSE ANARCHISM IS LEFT WING...... OH I GET NOW, ECONOMIC LIBERTARIANS ARE ANARCHISTS!!! PRICELESS. dID YOU KOW THAT ROTHBARD UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS HARD TO USE THE WORD ANARCHISM TO DEFINE ITS GROUP BECAUSE anarchism WAS BORN AS A LEFT WING MOVEMENT. i get now: YOU SEE YOURSELF AS AN ANARCHIST, NO?
magomezga 2 years ago
First of all, hit that button on the left your use of all caps is hard on the eyes and makes me feel like I'm talking to a little kid. Anarchism appears leftist because leftist for revolutronary purposes abused it's banner to achieve their ends. Anarchism means absence of a state. All left wing movements use the state as their tool to achieve their ends. Every leftist-statist regime that has existed is or was totaltarian=left of all stripes-communist,socialist,facist...
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
You ignore fascism debate: (class, structure, racism, nationalism, capitalism). Dou you think VW, Siemens, Basf were doing bad with Adolph?workers had been stopd, and he was, with a social revolution ahead,a little sacrifice, profits were then secure
magomezga 2 years ago
whyThere was an lftwing anrchst opostion to russian rev, Marx and communism (vb spanish republic)? there's an economic anarchismBut the main tradition of anarchsm iscollectivistic.Your facism misunderstanding?:Toconsider only fascism'seconomic features:state managed economy.
magomezga 2 years ago
fascism's economic feature: state managed economy, THANK YOU.
Now if you want to add other componates of Obama's fascist ideology lets consider the chuch he sat in for twenty years. Black Liberation Theology- preaches black nationalism, black supramacy and is rooted in marxism.
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
Merkel'sSocialpolicy, intended makes her a fascist? What you're saying is that all publix expenditure policy is fascism? Keynes? A fucking fascist!! Europe's Antifascists Popular fronts in 20's and 30's? Fascists!!
Go to Italy, go to Germany, and tell everyone that U.S is going to fascism; that peoples will laugh at you, as the world is laughing right now with "Obama the socialist and fascist". You can't imagine tne world's perplexity before this clownS show
magomezga 2 years ago
Final comment: an implication of your absurd definition of fascism -whose unique purpose is transform Obama into a fascist- is that all fucking Europe, NOW, TODAY, is FASCIST!!, not to speak about other continents. Man, I'm afraid to ask but i have to: all developed countries gives their states, BY FAR, a more important role in the economy management, than that promoted by Obama fot the U.S: BY FAR, BY FAR!!! So, do you think all developed countries are fascists?
magomezga 2 years ago
Are you some sort of a clown? You don't seem uneducated so either you are some sort of antagonist clown or you really are uninformed of Obama's application of policy and I'm not talking about his BS hope and change.Every week he is demonizing one economic sector or another. The bank bail outs for instance, he claims to 'bail them out' to save the economy but once they are indebted he accusses them of 'obscene profits' and has paid protestors buses in to protest in front of CEO's houses .
YOUGET4REAL 2 years ago
State Capitalism has elements of socialism taken into account, as did national socialism. Facism can be either left or right, it's not really defined by economic policy.
Chairmaneoin 1 year ago
@YOUGET4REAL
you are very ignorant.......
fascism is not left wing.........
Freedomwarrior123 1 year ago
Hey mediaphotographer, you are IGNORANT. The socialist leader Dr. Joseph Schwartz is saying the truth. Our industry has been sent overseas causing harm to working class people and to the economic stability of the uS as a whole. Righwing propaganda in the US media hides this fact. I don't see Obama acting at all like a socialist. Though he nationalized a few US corps, he gives them back to the private sector. A true socialist would nationalize all large biz, finance, banks, and maybe medium biz.
tomofnorthcal 2 years ago
I have to assume you didn't actually watch this video. You see, the gentleman in this video is actually a leader of a Socialist organization and understands the difference between a center-right Democrat and a Socialist.
The colorful language use along with the puny rationales you advance for your position are rather clear evidence that you don't know what you're talking about.
CharleyIthaca 2 years ago 4
is there any way i can join YDSA? i want to give them a few papers concerning this topic. Do you know anyone i could email them to?
Sahibsocialist 2 years ago
what a lying bunch of crap . Socialist scholars conference meeting that obama was at in the 80"s. What about the NEW PARTY founded in 1990's that obama joined in 1995. how about his buddy dr. Marable? the slimb ball is up to his ass as a socialist..done believe this shit hole lying mother fucker.
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
Well I'm an atheist but I've been to church, I've lived in Poland, catholic mecca ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC THAT MAKES ME A RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN.
I'm a lefty but I joined Sean Hannity's website and a couple of other conservative websites. I'm on a newsletter that sends me junk by Alan Dershowitz on a regular basis - I'm still a lefty.
My good friend Bridget is a born again christian conservative, that doesn't make me one. The majority of my connections are still liberal/left. Get a brain.
lenglain 2 years ago
So you are saying that, like you, 0bama is schizophrenic.
zerotolerance4u 2 years ago
"The Internationale" in German? Heh. Couldn't find it in English?
jaschul 2 years ago
True, true.
spacemonky7 2 years ago