There is far more honesty morality and truth in Hitchens' "God is Not Great" than in the Torah, New Testament, Quran, Book of Mormon, Vedas & Upanishads COMBINED. I hate religion and will speak out against it's lunacy despite any hurt feelings.
pretty sure this was the broadcast that I first discovered Hitch and went out and bought the book the next day.....that short clip showed how intelligent the man was....later I was scouring youtube for anything on the guy...and that just blew me away....
Mr Dobbs has one thing these knuckleheads (O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck) are missing, Integrity. Hats off to both of you. This was one of the most civil interviews I have ever seen.
Hitch often references Buddha as having a 'supernatural' birth. He cannot control what CNN shows on the screen and he corrected them in the interview.
I'm impressed. Not only a good discussion, but also with the fact that Dobbs comes across as a very cool and likable reporter. I'm tired of anchors who think it's their job to be over-the-top circus clowns.
@GMNives This isn't typical of Dobbs, watch more of his interviews to see that, he's unusually well behaved here. I think it's because he realizes there is no point in trying to get into a fight with someone far more intelligent than he is
Lou Dobbs is a smart guy. Unlike Glenn Beck, Hannity who are clowns who just want to put on a show without even confirming their facts. Lou is real reporter.
@foamulator oh, it definately WILL occur, but hopefully not for many more years (if not decades) to come. I wish the Hitch well and I hope he makes it through this. I have heard him say in interviews that he likes receiving letters (the well-wishing kind; not the 'you're going to hell" kind), so send him a quick letter wishing him well and he'll enjoy it
It makes me so sad that Hitchens is dying. Thank God he wrote so much and taught a generation of contrarians how to think and use the power of their tongues and not their guns to promote progress. Cheers!
Wow... Dobbs? Is that you? "Buy the book. This is a brilliant book. This is a brilliant read." It seems surreal coming from him. I guess I always assumed he was religious.
BTW, if there are any Hitch fans out there...in addition to the hard copy, "God is Not Great" is an amazing audio book, read by Hitch himself.
Also, if you're bored, my featured video is dedicated to (and inspired by) Hitch. Hit my channel to see it.
@ghuegel He's warm and friendly toward intelligent people,....that and he's psyched to announce that he is now an American. :D He's been waiting for a long time.
Ah, Hitch... you gotta love that guy. Dobbs not so much.
BTW, if you want to see a cool Hitch tribute, I just put it up on my channel. It is, shall we say, not geared toward Christians. But all are welcome, of course.
Dobbs is a very intelligent and inspiring man when it comes to representing this media channel, I do wish more were like this over there in the US.
HItchen's knows what he is talking about, even religious people need to take note for their right to freedom as we come upon uncertain times concerning the cults that wish us silent.
Wow, I certainly didn't see the kind of conversation I expected to see from Dobbs and Hitchens. At the very least I expected Dobbs to push back at Jesus being placed as just another virgin-born god, but he was completely respectful and friendly. I'm impressed!
I didnt see a battle of wits there. I saw 2 men talking over a bbq on sunday afternoon.......That was a bit out of char but was cool nonetheless,,,,,,,,,,I have a new found respect for Dobbs...as always an incredible fan of Hitchens
Hitchens is correct when he says he thinks people would be surprised at the numbers of people around the world not just in the U.S. who are non believers. Estonia for example, is a majority atheist population & it is a wonderful & beautiful culture and country with a beautiful and intelligent people & the most prosperous former soviet province. They also have one of the most transparent governments in the world. What a beautiful world we live in with a declining religious population. I love it.
@griffynelvyncraft Here in NZ we have the highest amount per capita of follows of the Jedi religion. It's the second biggest religion in NZ. One third of our population has no religion, and about 10% refuse to answer on the census.
@griffynelvyncraft altho in Estonia the birth rate is like 1.2, or half repalacement, so their population will halve each generation... in europe this is our biggest problem.
@DYORPEEPS Actually I'll refer you to check out w w w. atheistmind . com/avoid-the-religious-masses-top-10-atheistic-countries. You'll find that Estonia ranks #10 with 49% of the population who actually indicated they are atheist/non believer. This census however, does not include the unknown number of atheists who did not report their atheist standing. Estonia also moved up from #12 just a few years ago so I argue that religion is not expanding there but in fact declining.
@DYORPEEPS Actually yes, you're right, it is unbiased. And 49% becomes a majority because the remaining 51% is broken up into even smaller groups. It's not 49% atheist and 51% xtain. It's 49% atheist and 51% everything else which is divided unequally into xtain, Judaism, Buddhism, Hindu, Islam, Jedi, Astrozorism, pagan, and many others. That means that the 49% atheist group is larger than each of the other smaller groups which make up the remaining 51%. A little math is involved.
@griffynelvyncraft Reading this comment just made my day noticeably brighter. I swing between general dismay at the folly of our species and profound optimism for our potential; between misanthrope and humanism, I suppose (ie maniac-disdain, hence the name). Thanks for helping the pendulum swing towards the cheerful side today :)
@disdanic Well disdanic, I'm glad I could offer a glimpse of hope in our otherwise dismal looking excuse for a civilization of somewhat sentient beings in most cases. LOL. It's refreshing to know their are other like minded people out their with higher intellects such as you and I.
I used to watch him, until he started blaming every single problem in America on illegal immigrants. I agree there shouldn't be illegal immigrants and that they do cause some problems, but EVERYTHING? Can't blame them for the economy, that's Wall Street's doing. Can't blame them for high crime rates (at least you can't blame them for all of it) because most crimes are homegrown.
Nice try. You are confusing a "belief in god" with "god". "Belief in god" certainly exists, there is no debate about that. Claims for existence of a "god" are much more dubious.
Not everything need be boiled down to an exact scientific equation to be understood.
That said, love is a very complex category of emotions, and it's effects can be measured empirically, in behavior neurologically, and biochemically.
No one has said there must be an equation to describe god (is there an equation to describe you?). But if God is real in any meaningful sense, then he should manifest unequivocally in some predictable, observable and repeatable way.
charadester:So the point is... lying is most damaging and exclusive to believers? To one who doesn't believe, a mountain of evidence would not suffice, for a believer, no evidence is necessary.
Slithering:Put your trust in man, you'll always be disappointed. Mr. Hitchens, although most certainly a well "schooled" man, is anything but great.
Have you ever considered the possibility that our penchant for cooperation and compassion is an evolved trait that improves our odds for survival? This would mean that religion is a cultural development meant to serve that end. I have no problem with that, but I do disagree with the exclusive behavior of those who sport a particular faith and consider everyone else who doesn't a damned, condemned or lowly lot.
Yes, I did for almost 49 years of my life. As for the last part of your statement, you are confusing what man does and says with what God says. Some in the faith are just plain wrong in condemning people or judging them. We all have one problem in this world, we have been separated from God. My problem has been corrected and I no longer have a problem. I take issue with those who try to stand in the way of this or try to confuse those who have not been able to rid themselves of that problem yet.
In the minds of believers, non-believers are lesser people. The joy believers take in thinking that those not of the faith will suffer eternally is almost palpable. It's an inherent 'pull the ladder, I'm up' mentality among Christians and Muslims that actually swells the membership rolls. While humans have an evolved capacity for compassion and cooperation because it gets our genes to the next generation more reliably, that doesn't necessarily require religion at all.
As for all believers, I can't say, for me I know that's not true. In fact, I spend most of my time with unbelievers... they do seem much less judgmental. I take no joy in seeing people in pain and deception. And as for religion, it's an evil spirit brought on by man. God is not a religion, He's an all loving, caring Father who only wants to spend time with His kids. It IS that simple. I take no joy seeing people deny it.
I appreciate your openness. I think we all want to look up to a lofty example...something to shoot for in being the best individual we can be in practicing good will towards others. That is a lifelong and constant goal of my own. I am, however very sensitized to the proselytizing from various faiths, that tend not to leave well enough alone and permit others to follow their own calling. That includes everything from atheism to devout commitment to one particular religion.
And there's the rub. The thing about my experience, I wasn't looking for it, I didn't ask for it but yet after it happened I understood my need for it. Until that day, I knew I had no need for it. The thing about "Christianity" and I don't like what that term has come to mean... we are supposed to do what we see the Father doing and not doing. He chases us but subtly and He doesn't force Himself on anyone... I had a choice, either I was totally losing my mind or my vision was real. I chose B.
No, I'm not talking about Haman or Pharoah. I'm talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Elohim the only uncreated One who lovingly gave His son to come and be His Word in the flesh and the final solution to man's constant disobedience. A man died for you and me, it's no joke. I truly hope you find HIm someday. You are the joy set before Him.
Right... god the vindictive, amoral mass murderer of the bible, himself responsible for more murders than any other individual ever to have existed, if the bible is to be believed. The one who is perfectly fine with slavery, and has his own rules for it, who has a very low opinion of women, who feels stoning is an appropriate punishment for many minor crimes, such as being unruly as a child, and who decided that infinite punishment is appropriate for finite crimes.
Lets not forget the perverted idea of justice that includes substitutional atonement. The idea that an innocent person can accept punishment on behalf of the guilty is patently absurd, and no one in their right mind would consider that an effective application of justice.
It's kind of schizophrenic too... God sacrifices himself to himself to create a loophole in a rule he created? Huh?
And it wasn't much of a sacrifice. He didn't stay dead, he got to go live forever in heaven as God!
So, I don't suppose you'd be interested in your own Bible with your name embossed in a leatherbound cover then? Now I have a much better understanding of Isaiah 29:14. I still have hope enough for you though, so no worries. If someone like me can have the revelation, you can too. God Bless.
I have a couple of bibles already, though none with my name embossed, but that seems like an unnecessary vanity.
The bible verse... is that supposed to tell me I should ignore the faculties of intelligence and reason that god supposedly granted me and just become a credulous sycophant, worshipping him just because he says it's what I should do?
Yup, that's the one. In other words, when your pride is bigger than your humility, you won't find Him. The fact you have Bibles says you were exposed, unfortunately sometimes too much exposure to the Son in the wrong way without the right protection can be harmful. You also mentioned how all these evil things are God's fault. He's been taking the rap for all things satan for a long time. How about giving the other guy his due credit?
If you count the number of people that God has personally killed or ordered killed in the bible, you get over 2 million, and that's only the ones that are numbered. It doesn't include things like EVERYONE in the world (except 8) during the flood. The only people Satan ever killed in the bible were someone's kids (I forget his name), with God's permission no less.
And yes, I was a Christian for most of my life until recently, when I was finally able to unshackle my mind from it.
This is what makes me very angry at the modern day church!!! You never knew Christ, you maybe knew all about Him, but you never knew Him. For if you did, you would never want to turn away from Him. This is NOT your fault though. You still want to believe, you just see nothing you would want to follow there. That is the church's fault... and not just the building where you went, but others too who call themselves believers and don't have any real change in their lives.
You are referring to Job. Yes, that verse should frighten every believer. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. It's not wisdom... it's the beginning. I understand your take on the "wrath of God" thing. It's what I used to hang my hat on too. That's exactly why Jesus was sent to clarify His intentions for us. Do you know the odds of Jesus fulfilling just a dozen OT prophecies? 1,000,000 to one. He fulfilled over 400... what do you think those odds are?
I can write a book that claim people prophecied things 500 years ago and then write about a guy who fulfilled all of them 200 years later if I wanted. It doesn't mean the prophecies actually happened, nor does it mean the fulfillment did either. It also doesn't prove the fulfillments were recorded after the actual prophecies.
So what are the odds? For people willing to commit pious fraud, I'd say very high.
And over 400? I don't think that many prophecies even exist in the bible.
I admire your faith. Yours is much greater than mine. So you want proof? I've got plenty and you've got plenty of reasons why it's not valid. Stalemate. The bottom line is we all have a choice and as long as you are happy with yours and I with mine... it's all good. Total satisfaction in one's decisions is a wonderful thing. Don't worry... be happy.
I'd be happy to believe in a god. I just need some good empirical evidence I can test that demonstrates his existence unequivocally. This should be very simple for an all powerful god such as yours.
The majority of the world has never come against NY, India or Arabian countries. The Jewish people have been detested and hunted for thousands of years. Yet they have survived. Israel is the size of Rhode Island. Do you think RI could defend themselves and survive if the other 49 states tried to invade them?
Yes, the Jews are the best living testimony of God's power.
It's true Israel has survived. However their numbers are not too impressive. The fact that they have been so persecuted, and so small, and so scattered, and yet STILL they survived reasonably intact proves something. But what does it prove? That religious fundamentalists are a very tenacious lot, who do a good job at brainwashing their kids? Hard to say it proves much more than that.
It's called Divine intervention. The same intervention that enabled a ragtag bunch of militia who were ill outfitted and sparsely trained take on and drive out the most illustrious military might of their time, maybe of all time.. I'm speaking of the colonists defeating England. Even the native fighters in the French and Indian war were said to warn the braves not to waste arrows on Washington, he was so protected by the great spirit that it was impossible to hit him. Divine intervention.
I'd say it was tenacity, cunning, guerilla tactics, and the fact that they were fighting for their homes and freedoms instead of just because their king told them to.
The improbable occurring is not proof of intervention. It may be merit for further investigation to see if anything shifted the odds, but sometimes the improbable just occurs, and either way you have absolutely no evidence that any divine intervention actually occurred other than your own incredulity over the improbability.
One of Hitchen's most effective communicative tools, is that when he is arguing a point, he does it without gratuitous mockery of the opposing side nor with nervousness or fear of espousing a minority opinion.
His style of speech is one of gentile confidence; he can say something to a christian that is patently offensive to their core beleifs, but do it so confidently and without gratuitous malice in his tone, as to render the christian thoughtfully reflective about his points. A great man.
I would suggest as an American citizen that Mr. Hitchens read and discover more about Mr. Jefferson and indeed find out he did not stand for separation of church and state.... only no one state endorsed religion. Separation of church and state is a myth. Like the German leaders in the 30's used to say... tell a lie long enough and people will believe it.
"What harm would it do if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian Church...a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not ba against God, he would accept them".
I can't find a book in the Bible by Martin Luther... where would that be exactly. There is one Truth and it's all in the Word, not Martin Luther's interpretation of it. Again, context is everything, this man was in a time of terrible and tragic things taking place all in the name of God... context, time periods... all so much more important than interpreting one quote based on 21st century living.
Are you saying that in difficult times, which is what Jesus said anyone would experience if they followed his message, the rules can be suspended and people could lie and deceive to advance the church? Given that suffering is the rule rather than the exception in faith, that would render the commandments moot altogether. Luther wrote it, and I would say Luther will have to take credit for it....just as any heathenous non-Christian is forced to accept the label of liar by the faithful.
Absolutely not. The church is not what's important, people are. Luther was a flawed person as we all are. As a believer in Jesus, and having the same Spirit in me as the one who raised Christ from the grave, I too am a liar among many other things. The Blood of atonement doesn't make it alright to continue lying... will I ever lie again... maybe, but I'm not condemned by it because of my relationship with Jesus. Almost as soon as I sin, I know it and I can ask forgiveness and am not condemned.
We 'sin' or do harm to others because the human animal has both cooperative and aggressive instincts. Both have served to preserve our species, but I believe that cooperation has the greater likelihood of ensuring our long term success. We do our best, but we can never meet our own expectations. Thus, you produce a 'God' story to help you with that...others take alternative routes. As long as the greatest number are served, alternative strategies are equally worthy. Why not live and let live?
the 1st amendment not only safeguards religious freedom, but also prohibits the establishment of a national religion by the Congress or the preference of one religion over another, non-religion over religion, or vice-versa. the direct quote is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". its right there in black and white. and while im quoting directly, heres a direct thomas jefferson quote for you:
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man".
The quote is extracted from the middle of a sentence... not a direct quote. You are still missing the point. Separation of church and state is not the inherent context of this amendment, is not mentioned and is an extrapolation of it. You can't extract the content and stand on interpretation. That's what our courts do today... most rulings are based on recent case rulings and are rewriting our constitution in the process. All in the name of political correctness... another lie we've been sold.
Jefferson very much disliked Christianity, as a few of the founding fathers did. Many of them were deists. Jefferson even went so far as to write his own version of the bible that removed most of the supernatural stuff and pretty much left what he felt were good moral teachings.
Strange one about the Buddha being born of a virgin, this isnt generally true to Buddhism since it isnt found in the oldest texts only in later texts and myths that were constructed centuries after Buddhas death (Buddha wasnt a God or sent by one by the way). However despite that Hitchen's argument still stands, how "virgin births" seemed to be a common trait to be added to popular figures in ancient times (most likely for propoganda use)
Meh, trying to explain why the idea of god is delusional, dangerous, and simply idiotic to Americans is like trying to teach a five year old calculus.
well not most Americans, it's just when you start to talk about this stuff some runs in and starts to yell at you about how your wrong. They will always try to talk louder then you, faster then you, more then you, and most of all over you.
When this happens most Amaricans will just walk away for the have better things to do then heir people shoat, thus they don't heir the truth.
No matter whatever, no matter wherever, it's in Man's nature to question his world and the heavens. He will no let well-enough-alone. He philosophizes and extrapolates. Religion attempts, often poorly, to rescue order from chaos. "Atheism" is a time-honored attempt to teach Man that there is no power higher than He.
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"Atheism" is the denial of metaphysics. "Atheism" has a congregation, pastors {authors/lecturers}, martyrs & dogma {hedonism/liberalism/environmentalism/collectivism}.
Atheism is a position on a single quesiton, whether you believe in the existence of gods (no in this case). Any, and I mean any, other belief you may or may not hold has nothing to do with atheism. There are atheists out there that are respected by other atheists for their views and ways of stating them, but they are not ordained or any such thing. They gain this respect through their actions (and could lose it the same way). There is absolutely no dogma to atheism.
Either you're under some strange mistaken impression that atheists don't read, or "non-readers" means something different than what it sounds like in this context. Do clarify.
Again, not a religion, as there are no teachings or doctrines.
An interesting assortment of animals you chose there. As far as I know, none of those creatures have the mental capacity sufficient to have a concept of religion... So yes I guess you could say they are all atheists.
Christopher Hitchens is one of those people who are so intelligent he can't figure out when he's just plain arrogant. I am agnostic and some of the stuff he writes I can get behind, but other things are things we just cannot possible know of yet. Human beings aren't that smart yet.
He's an atheist. Which, some say is a religion, but I wouldn't say that. Calling an atheist religious is on par with saying someone has a hobby of NOT collecting stamps. I'm sure he's happy just to be called secular.
He doesn't align himself with any religion. Atheism (lack of the belief in a God) isn't a religion, just as simply believing in a God doesn't make it a religion. Christianity, Judaism, Islam are all religions, but simply the belief in a God isn't a religion. Religious have tenets, rituals and dogma, neither of which an atheist has.
That's great, although I wasn't able to find any sourced statements where Dobbs asserts a disbelief in any gods. He does fit the bill of a skeptic, though. :)
I've heard him say in a few interviews that he identifies himself as an anti-theist, which means that he believes there is no God and he is happy about it whereas some atheists believe there is no God, but wish that there was
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There is far more honesty morality and truth in Hitchens' "God is Not Great" than in the Torah, New Testament, Quran, Book of Mormon, Vedas & Upanishads COMBINED. I hate religion and will speak out against it's lunacy despite any hurt feelings.
mouthyweasel 2 days ago
pretty sure this was the broadcast that I first discovered Hitch and went out and bought the book the next day.....that short clip showed how intelligent the man was....later I was scouring youtube for anything on the guy...and that just blew me away....
comeade 2 months ago
Lou Dobbs, picture of a what a man of faith should be. If all were so i'd have not a thing to say against religion.
zarthered 5 months ago
Mr Dobbs has one thing these knuckleheads (O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck) are missing, Integrity. Hats off to both of you. This was one of the most civil interviews I have ever seen.
brewerbrian420 5 months ago
My hat comes off to Mr. Dobbs.
One of the most respectful and honest interviews I have seen.
Rocketryman 5 months ago
Buddha , A virgin birth ! Fuck off hitch !!
vajiraism 7 months ago
@vajiraism
Hitch often references Buddha as having a 'supernatural' birth. He cannot control what CNN shows on the screen and he corrected them in the interview.
Stop, Look & Listen ... and then comment.
R5d4d2 6 months ago
wow over 6 minutes without a smoke. CLAP
gulbirk 8 months ago
@gulbirk
that's hilarious!!! funny but true
JesusSavesAtTDBank 7 months ago
Wow the FIRST Journalist on a nationally broadcast program that did not attack The Hitch, Dobbs certainly moved up a notch on my list!
mikelh 8 months ago 4
mr hitchens is so right
shantanu6 8 months ago
wow, lou dobbs is a class act.
Joeshimi 8 months ago
i know lou dobbs dident agree but this was perfect fair and unbaised. great interview
max11binf 8 months ago
Class act by both of them!
preemptivestrike20 9 months ago
Respective interviewer and interviewee.
NoXoNaToR 9 months ago
Wish I could attach a little muhammed-picture to this reply...
Anyway. Lots of love from Denmark to Hitchens. Finally a Journalist with moral integrity and the balls to stand by his convictions!
neuromatiker 9 months ago
Mr. Dobbs you just moved up a notch on my list! That make you at notch one! Great interview!
HighPoweredLasers 9 months ago
Osama is dead! We can kill too Mr. Muslim :)
slobbernuckle 10 months ago
I'm impressed. Not only a good discussion, but also with the fact that Dobbs comes across as a very cool and likable reporter. I'm tired of anchors who think it's their job to be over-the-top circus clowns.
GMNives 1 year ago 6
@GMNives This isn't typical of Dobbs, watch more of his interviews to see that, he's unusually well behaved here. I think it's because he realizes there is no point in trying to get into a fight with someone far more intelligent than he is
nappyweed111 10 months ago 5
Lou Dobbs is a smart guy. Unlike Glenn Beck, Hannity who are clowns who just want to put on a show without even confirming their facts. Lou is real reporter.
alobo2000 1 year ago 5
@alobo2000 you forgot to add o'reilly with beck and hannity lol....but good point
keewee1091 10 months ago
I honor this brilliant thinker, and will mourn his passing , if that should occur.
foamulator 1 year ago
@foamulator oh, it definately WILL occur, but hopefully not for many more years (if not decades) to come. I wish the Hitch well and I hope he makes it through this. I have heard him say in interviews that he likes receiving letters (the well-wishing kind; not the 'you're going to hell" kind), so send him a quick letter wishing him well and he'll enjoy it
isaachaze1 1 year ago
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foamulator 1 year ago
"a person of faith"= they'll believe anything without evidence~ brilliant.
DNRvideos 1 year ago
It makes me so sad that Hitchens is dying. Thank God he wrote so much and taught a generation of contrarians how to think and use the power of their tongues and not their guns to promote progress. Cheers!
GoCardinal2012 1 year ago 9
Now hitchens is part of the illuminati...
Jadlotian 1 year ago
@Jadlotian What?
writersblock26 11 months ago
you are a ytue assshole
karlaenglissh 1 year ago
Albert Einstein wasn't American...
gibbsies 1 year ago
@gibbsies but he lived in the US for many years, and influenced American culture
cuevasdecamuy 1 year ago
@gibbsies
No, but I'm quite sure you know why he fled fascism in Europe to come live in the USA...
braydenbeautiful 1 year ago
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@braydenbeautiful I never said anything about that
gibbsies 1 year ago
"But they say God's plan is perfect and he designed us wonderfully, except now we just want to hack away at your genitals to improve the picture."
Bravo.
joshgut 1 year ago 4
Wow... Dobbs? Is that you? "Buy the book. This is a brilliant book. This is a brilliant read." It seems surreal coming from him. I guess I always assumed he was religious.
BTW, if there are any Hitch fans out there...in addition to the hard copy, "God is Not Great" is an amazing audio book, read by Hitch himself.
Also, if you're bored, my featured video is dedicated to (and inspired by) Hitch. Hit my channel to see it.
sincristo 1 year ago
Who's that warm and friendly person wearing the Christopher Hitchens mask?
ghuegel 1 year ago 2
@ghuegel And who's that borderline anti-religious guy wearing Lou Dobbs's face?
TheCelticNinja 1 year ago
@TheCelticNinja lol Nice.
NuPheonix 1 year ago
@ghuegel He's warm and friendly toward intelligent people,....that and he's psyched to announce that he is now an American. :D He's been waiting for a long time.
NuPheonix 1 year ago
I'm an Israeli citizen, residence in Jerusalem, Yeah the nuclear nutcase
space. Listen to this man, he cuts his words right in the stone.
20df 1 year ago
Ah, Hitch... you gotta love that guy. Dobbs not so much.
BTW, if you want to see a cool Hitch tribute, I just put it up on my channel. It is, shall we say, not geared toward Christians. But all are welcome, of course.
Get well soon, Hitch!
sincristo 1 year ago
good interview but dobbs would never get on fox news being fair and all.
johnnyd101 1 year ago
why don't these two go ahead and buttfuck each other. i thought dobbs was trying to take his clothes off.
MrAllwomenwantme 1 year ago
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kmvoss 1 year ago
Please listen to the (1 GOD MORE TUNE ) and check out religionfactreport(dotcom)
kansaimagic 1 year ago
Dobbs is a very intelligent and inspiring man when it comes to representing this media channel, I do wish more were like this over there in the US.
HItchen's knows what he is talking about, even religious people need to take note for their right to freedom as we come upon uncertain times concerning the cults that wish us silent.
Mina0008 1 year ago 3
It is indeed a pity that Christians worship the Sun on Sunday and celebrate the resurrection of the Sun (Sunrise) on Easter Sunday.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
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AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
Unfortunately this forum is rife with obsequious, unthinking Hitchens Sycophants.
AnonymousWhitePerson 2 years ago
Obsequious Sycophants is a bit redundant......
DaddySez 1 year ago
It is a Tautological Statement.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
needlessly repetitous....uh, that was my point.....but you are expanding my vocabulary.....and for that I thank you
DaddySez 1 year ago
Why, thank you.
Religion is a grotesque moral compass.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago 6
Wow, I certainly didn't see the kind of conversation I expected to see from Dobbs and Hitchens. At the very least I expected Dobbs to push back at Jesus being placed as just another virgin-born god, but he was completely respectful and friendly. I'm impressed!
LynxChan 2 years ago
I didnt see a battle of wits there. I saw 2 men talking over a bbq on sunday afternoon.......That was a bit out of char but was cool nonetheless,,,,,,,,,,I have a new found respect for Dobbs...as always an incredible fan of Hitchens
carpnter2000 2 years ago
That was a little bit of a circle jerk
randikajamai 2 years ago
Dobbs is unusually friendly towards Hitch and Hitch is faultlessly polite. A pleasure to watch!
Albtraumen 2 years ago 109
facepalm
lukeism2 2 years ago
Hitch entered into a battle of wits with an unarmed man. (as usual)
sgtcrab1 2 years ago 2
yea most of the ppl who have the "faith" are lacking "wits".....to say the least
dompeeeee 2 years ago
Hitchens is correct when he says he thinks people would be surprised at the numbers of people around the world not just in the U.S. who are non believers. Estonia for example, is a majority atheist population & it is a wonderful & beautiful culture and country with a beautiful and intelligent people & the most prosperous former soviet province. They also have one of the most transparent governments in the world. What a beautiful world we live in with a declining religious population. I love it.
griffynelvyncraft 2 years ago 94
@griffynelvyncraft Here in NZ we have the highest amount per capita of follows of the Jedi religion. It's the second biggest religion in NZ. One third of our population has no religion, and about 10% refuse to answer on the census.
PCrePs 2 years ago
@griffynelvyncraft altho in Estonia the birth rate is like 1.2, or half repalacement, so their population will halve each generation... in europe this is our biggest problem.
jinkedful 1 year ago
@griffynelvyncraft Estonia is not majority athiest. Post soviet rule, religion is expanding there.
DYORPEEPS 1 year ago
@DYORPEEPS Actually I'll refer you to check out w w w. atheistmind . com/avoid-the-religious-masses-top-10-atheistic-countries. You'll find that Estonia ranks #10 with 49% of the population who actually indicated they are atheist/non believer. This census however, does not include the unknown number of atheists who did not report their atheist standing. Estonia also moved up from #12 just a few years ago so I argue that religion is not expanding there but in fact declining.
griffynelvyncraft 1 year ago
@griffynelvyncraft That's a real unbiased source, of course. And even if I took the figures off that athiest site, when did 49% become majority?
DYORPEEPS 1 year ago
@DYORPEEPS Actually yes, you're right, it is unbiased. And 49% becomes a majority because the remaining 51% is broken up into even smaller groups. It's not 49% atheist and 51% xtain. It's 49% atheist and 51% everything else which is divided unequally into xtain, Judaism, Buddhism, Hindu, Islam, Jedi, Astrozorism, pagan, and many others. That means that the 49% atheist group is larger than each of the other smaller groups which make up the remaining 51%. A little math is involved.
griffynelvyncraft 1 year ago
@griffynelvyncraft "What a beautiful world we live in with a declining religious population. "
Man, I hope you're right.
sincristo 1 year ago 6
@griffynelvyncraft Reading this comment just made my day noticeably brighter. I swing between general dismay at the folly of our species and profound optimism for our potential; between misanthrope and humanism, I suppose (ie maniac-disdain, hence the name). Thanks for helping the pendulum swing towards the cheerful side today :)
disdanic 1 year ago 2
@disdanic Well disdanic, I'm glad I could offer a glimpse of hope in our otherwise dismal looking excuse for a civilization of somewhat sentient beings in most cases. LOL. It's refreshing to know their are other like minded people out their with higher intellects such as you and I.
griffynelvyncraft 1 year ago
they seem to get along well
mixxmexx 2 years ago
That is just about the lousiest excuse for the existence of a god I have ever read.
jezmundberserker 2 years ago
I used to watch him, until he started blaming every single problem in America on illegal immigrants. I agree there shouldn't be illegal immigrants and that they do cause some problems, but EVERYTHING? Can't blame them for the economy, that's Wall Street's doing. Can't blame them for high crime rates (at least you can't blame them for all of it) because most crimes are homegrown.
jezmundberserker 2 years ago
@jezmundberserker Illegal immigrants to the USA have much MUCH lower rates of offending than US citizens.
PCrePs 2 years ago
@PCrePs: I don't have the numbers, but, who knows? You might be right.
jezmundberserker 2 years ago
Nice try. You are confusing a "belief in god" with "god". "Belief in god" certainly exists, there is no debate about that. Claims for existence of a "god" are much more dubious.
fourthirteen 2 years ago
I think dobbs is in love.
ivanmikhailov 2 years ago
Not everything need be boiled down to an exact scientific equation to be understood.
That said, love is a very complex category of emotions, and it's effects can be measured empirically, in behavior neurologically, and biochemically.
No one has said there must be an equation to describe god (is there an equation to describe you?). But if God is real in any meaningful sense, then he should manifest unequivocally in some predictable, observable and repeatable way.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
Love is a metaphor.
Back to the drawing board...
flyastarship 2 years ago
I've never met Kal-El in person but I've read about all of his miracles. That's all the proof I need.
rhatcher010 2 years ago
Good for Lou Dobbs having such an exceptional guest on his show.
vdot011 2 years ago 2
charadester:So the point is... lying is most damaging and exclusive to believers? To one who doesn't believe, a mountain of evidence would not suffice, for a believer, no evidence is necessary.
Slithering:Put your trust in man, you'll always be disappointed. Mr. Hitchens, although most certainly a well "schooled" man, is anything but great.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
Have you ever considered the possibility that our penchant for cooperation and compassion is an evolved trait that improves our odds for survival? This would mean that religion is a cultural development meant to serve that end. I have no problem with that, but I do disagree with the exclusive behavior of those who sport a particular faith and consider everyone else who doesn't a damned, condemned or lowly lot.
charadester 2 years ago
Yes, I did for almost 49 years of my life. As for the last part of your statement, you are confusing what man does and says with what God says. Some in the faith are just plain wrong in condemning people or judging them. We all have one problem in this world, we have been separated from God. My problem has been corrected and I no longer have a problem. I take issue with those who try to stand in the way of this or try to confuse those who have not been able to rid themselves of that problem yet.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
In the minds of believers, non-believers are lesser people. The joy believers take in thinking that those not of the faith will suffer eternally is almost palpable. It's an inherent 'pull the ladder, I'm up' mentality among Christians and Muslims that actually swells the membership rolls. While humans have an evolved capacity for compassion and cooperation because it gets our genes to the next generation more reliably, that doesn't necessarily require religion at all.
charadester 2 years ago
As for all believers, I can't say, for me I know that's not true. In fact, I spend most of my time with unbelievers... they do seem much less judgmental. I take no joy in seeing people in pain and deception. And as for religion, it's an evil spirit brought on by man. God is not a religion, He's an all loving, caring Father who only wants to spend time with His kids. It IS that simple. I take no joy seeing people deny it.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
I appreciate your openness. I think we all want to look up to a lofty example...something to shoot for in being the best individual we can be in practicing good will towards others. That is a lifelong and constant goal of my own. I am, however very sensitized to the proselytizing from various faiths, that tend not to leave well enough alone and permit others to follow their own calling. That includes everything from atheism to devout commitment to one particular religion.
charadester 2 years ago
And there's the rub. The thing about my experience, I wasn't looking for it, I didn't ask for it but yet after it happened I understood my need for it. Until that day, I knew I had no need for it. The thing about "Christianity" and I don't like what that term has come to mean... we are supposed to do what we see the Father doing and not doing. He chases us but subtly and He doesn't force Himself on anyone... I had a choice, either I was totally losing my mind or my vision was real. I chose B.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
You must not be talking about the vindictive and amoral mass murderer of the bible then...
Arkalius80 2 years ago
No, I'm not talking about Haman or Pharoah. I'm talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Elohim the only uncreated One who lovingly gave His son to come and be His Word in the flesh and the final solution to man's constant disobedience. A man died for you and me, it's no joke. I truly hope you find HIm someday. You are the joy set before Him.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
Right... god the vindictive, amoral mass murderer of the bible, himself responsible for more murders than any other individual ever to have existed, if the bible is to be believed. The one who is perfectly fine with slavery, and has his own rules for it, who has a very low opinion of women, who feels stoning is an appropriate punishment for many minor crimes, such as being unruly as a child, and who decided that infinite punishment is appropriate for finite crimes.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
Lets not forget the perverted idea of justice that includes substitutional atonement. The idea that an innocent person can accept punishment on behalf of the guilty is patently absurd, and no one in their right mind would consider that an effective application of justice.
It's kind of schizophrenic too... God sacrifices himself to himself to create a loophole in a rule he created? Huh?
And it wasn't much of a sacrifice. He didn't stay dead, he got to go live forever in heaven as God!
Arkalius80 2 years ago
So, I don't suppose you'd be interested in your own Bible with your name embossed in a leatherbound cover then? Now I have a much better understanding of Isaiah 29:14. I still have hope enough for you though, so no worries. If someone like me can have the revelation, you can too. God Bless.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
I have a couple of bibles already, though none with my name embossed, but that seems like an unnecessary vanity.
The bible verse... is that supposed to tell me I should ignore the faculties of intelligence and reason that god supposedly granted me and just become a credulous sycophant, worshipping him just because he says it's what I should do?
Arkalius80 2 years ago
Yup, that's the one. In other words, when your pride is bigger than your humility, you won't find Him. The fact you have Bibles says you were exposed, unfortunately sometimes too much exposure to the Son in the wrong way without the right protection can be harmful. You also mentioned how all these evil things are God's fault. He's been taking the rap for all things satan for a long time. How about giving the other guy his due credit?
handllanc0217 2 years ago
If you count the number of people that God has personally killed or ordered killed in the bible, you get over 2 million, and that's only the ones that are numbered. It doesn't include things like EVERYONE in the world (except 8) during the flood. The only people Satan ever killed in the bible were someone's kids (I forget his name), with God's permission no less.
And yes, I was a Christian for most of my life until recently, when I was finally able to unshackle my mind from it.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
This is what makes me very angry at the modern day church!!! You never knew Christ, you maybe knew all about Him, but you never knew Him. For if you did, you would never want to turn away from Him. This is NOT your fault though. You still want to believe, you just see nothing you would want to follow there. That is the church's fault... and not just the building where you went, but others too who call themselves believers and don't have any real change in their lives.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
You are referring to Job. Yes, that verse should frighten every believer. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. It's not wisdom... it's the beginning. I understand your take on the "wrath of God" thing. It's what I used to hang my hat on too. That's exactly why Jesus was sent to clarify His intentions for us. Do you know the odds of Jesus fulfilling just a dozen OT prophecies? 1,000,000 to one. He fulfilled over 400... what do you think those odds are?
handllanc0217 2 years ago
I can write a book that claim people prophecied things 500 years ago and then write about a guy who fulfilled all of them 200 years later if I wanted. It doesn't mean the prophecies actually happened, nor does it mean the fulfillment did either. It also doesn't prove the fulfillments were recorded after the actual prophecies.
So what are the odds? For people willing to commit pious fraud, I'd say very high.
And over 400? I don't think that many prophecies even exist in the bible.
Arkalius80 2 years ago 3
I admire your faith. Yours is much greater than mine. So you want proof? I've got plenty and you've got plenty of reasons why it's not valid. Stalemate. The bottom line is we all have a choice and as long as you are happy with yours and I with mine... it's all good. Total satisfaction in one's decisions is a wonderful thing. Don't worry... be happy.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
What is it with theists and projection.
I'd be happy to believe in a god. I just need some good empirical evidence I can test that demonstrates his existence unequivocally. This should be very simple for an all powerful god such as yours.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
Israel exists. The Jews survive. There is no better evidence than this very fact.
What else do you need?
handllanc0217 2 years ago
New York exists, New Yorkers survive. There is no better evidence for the existence of Spiderman than this very fact. What else do you need?
I mean seriously... is that your evidence, that the bible contains some historical accuracy? No one is debating the existence of Israel.
India exists and Indians survive. Does that mean Hindu sacred texts are real?
Arabian countries exist and Arabs still survive, does that make the Quran true?
Arkalius80 2 years ago 3
The majority of the world has never come against NY, India or Arabian countries. The Jewish people have been detested and hunted for thousands of years. Yet they have survived. Israel is the size of Rhode Island. Do you think RI could defend themselves and survive if the other 49 states tried to invade them?
Yes, the Jews are the best living testimony of God's power.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
It's true Israel has survived. However their numbers are not too impressive. The fact that they have been so persecuted, and so small, and so scattered, and yet STILL they survived reasonably intact proves something. But what does it prove? That religious fundamentalists are a very tenacious lot, who do a good job at brainwashing their kids? Hard to say it proves much more than that.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
It's called Divine intervention. The same intervention that enabled a ragtag bunch of militia who were ill outfitted and sparsely trained take on and drive out the most illustrious military might of their time, maybe of all time.. I'm speaking of the colonists defeating England. Even the native fighters in the French and Indian war were said to warn the braves not to waste arrows on Washington, he was so protected by the great spirit that it was impossible to hit him. Divine intervention.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
I'd say it was tenacity, cunning, guerilla tactics, and the fact that they were fighting for their homes and freedoms instead of just because their king told them to.
The improbable occurring is not proof of intervention. It may be merit for further investigation to see if anything shifted the odds, but sometimes the improbable just occurs, and either way you have absolutely no evidence that any divine intervention actually occurred other than your own incredulity over the improbability.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
That wasn't divine intervention, that was the French,
D0NEIT4THELULZ 2 years ago
That and it is considered the social norm to foster large familys in traditional jewish society, making them "genetically fit" by this action.
I think Mel Brooks is right, one day we will see "JEWS IN SPACE!!"
temporaldisplacement 2 years ago
I'd rather spider-man was true, super-villans don't concern me as much as god.
temporaldisplacement 2 years ago
One of Hitchen's most effective communicative tools, is that when he is arguing a point, he does it without gratuitous mockery of the opposing side nor with nervousness or fear of espousing a minority opinion.
His style of speech is one of gentile confidence; he can say something to a christian that is patently offensive to their core beleifs, but do it so confidently and without gratuitous malice in his tone, as to render the christian thoughtfully reflective about his points. A great man.
slitheringinterstate 2 years ago
Couldn't have put that better myself.
DecadentParadise 2 years ago
I would suggest as an American citizen that Mr. Hitchens read and discover more about Mr. Jefferson and indeed find out he did not stand for separation of church and state.... only no one state endorsed religion. Separation of church and state is a myth. Like the German leaders in the 30's used to say... tell a lie long enough and people will believe it.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
Perhaps it was better said by Martin Luther:
"What harm would it do if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian Church...a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not ba against God, he would accept them".
charadester 2 years ago
I can't find a book in the Bible by Martin Luther... where would that be exactly. There is one Truth and it's all in the Word, not Martin Luther's interpretation of it. Again, context is everything, this man was in a time of terrible and tragic things taking place all in the name of God... context, time periods... all so much more important than interpreting one quote based on 21st century living.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
Are you saying that in difficult times, which is what Jesus said anyone would experience if they followed his message, the rules can be suspended and people could lie and deceive to advance the church? Given that suffering is the rule rather than the exception in faith, that would render the commandments moot altogether. Luther wrote it, and I would say Luther will have to take credit for it....just as any heathenous non-Christian is forced to accept the label of liar by the faithful.
charadester 2 years ago
Absolutely not. The church is not what's important, people are. Luther was a flawed person as we all are. As a believer in Jesus, and having the same Spirit in me as the one who raised Christ from the grave, I too am a liar among many other things. The Blood of atonement doesn't make it alright to continue lying... will I ever lie again... maybe, but I'm not condemned by it because of my relationship with Jesus. Almost as soon as I sin, I know it and I can ask forgiveness and am not condemned.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
We 'sin' or do harm to others because the human animal has both cooperative and aggressive instincts. Both have served to preserve our species, but I believe that cooperation has the greater likelihood of ensuring our long term success. We do our best, but we can never meet our own expectations. Thus, you produce a 'God' story to help you with that...others take alternative routes. As long as the greatest number are served, alternative strategies are equally worthy. Why not live and let live?
charadester 2 years ago
the 1st amendment not only safeguards religious freedom, but also prohibits the establishment of a national religion by the Congress or the preference of one religion over another, non-religion over religion, or vice-versa. the direct quote is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". its right there in black and white. and while im quoting directly, heres a direct thomas jefferson quote for you:
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man".
dinabio1 2 years ago
The quote is extracted from the middle of a sentence... not a direct quote. You are still missing the point. Separation of church and state is not the inherent context of this amendment, is not mentioned and is an extrapolation of it. You can't extract the content and stand on interpretation. That's what our courts do today... most rulings are based on recent case rulings and are rewriting our constitution in the process. All in the name of political correctness... another lie we've been sold.
handllanc0217 2 years ago
Jefferson very much disliked Christianity, as a few of the founding fathers did. Many of them were deists. Jefferson even went so far as to write his own version of the bible that removed most of the supernatural stuff and pretty much left what he felt were good moral teachings.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
Theories come & go. The Great Pyramid at Giza defies institutionalized Western "science," as does Michael Cremo's book: "Forbidden Architecture."
Asparagusville 2 years ago
Strange one about the Buddha being born of a virgin, this isnt generally true to Buddhism since it isnt found in the oldest texts only in later texts and myths that were constructed centuries after Buddhas death (Buddha wasnt a God or sent by one by the way). However despite that Hitchen's argument still stands, how "virgin births" seemed to be a common trait to be added to popular figures in ancient times (most likely for propoganda use)
clw07867542 2 years ago
"Mr. Jefferson, build up that wall."
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago 2
Meh, trying to explain why the idea of god is delusional, dangerous, and simply idiotic to Americans is like trying to teach a five year old calculus.
Poisinn 2 years ago 7
well not most Americans, it's just when you start to talk about this stuff some runs in and starts to yell at you about how your wrong. They will always try to talk louder then you, faster then you, more then you, and most of all over you.
When this happens most Amaricans will just walk away for the have better things to do then heir people shoat, thus they don't heir the truth.
DiceWarwick 2 years ago
No matter whatever, no matter wherever, it's in Man's nature to question his world and the heavens. He will no let well-enough-alone. He philosophizes and extrapolates. Religion attempts, often poorly, to rescue order from chaos. "Atheism" is a time-honored attempt to teach Man that there is no power higher than He.
Asparagusville 2 years ago
No thats not what atheism is. It is just trying to teach man that there is no supernatural deity. Earth is still more powerful as well as energy.
bighaus54 2 years ago
Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.
VarialProductions 2 years ago
Non-readers, like yourself, are often exasperated.
Asparagusville 2 years ago
Irrelevant. Atheism doesn't teach man there is nothing higher than himself. In no way can one reach that conclusion.
I don't care if your a "reader". You can still be dead wrong!
VarialProductions 2 years ago 4
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You've proven my point: "atheism"
is the religion of the mentally enfeebled.
Asparagusville 2 years ago
Now your just being nonsensical.
VarialProductions 2 years ago 2
Atheism is not a religion. That is absurd.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago 2
"You've proven my point: "atheism"
is the religion of the mentally enfeebled."
If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby!
Andylocksigma 2 years ago 4
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"Atheism" is the denial of metaphysics. "Atheism" has a congregation, pastors {authors/lecturers}, martyrs & dogma {hedonism/liberalism/environmentalism/collectivism}.
Asparagusville 2 years ago
Atheism is a position on a single quesiton, whether you believe in the existence of gods (no in this case). Any, and I mean any, other belief you may or may not hold has nothing to do with atheism. There are atheists out there that are respected by other atheists for their views and ways of stating them, but they are not ordained or any such thing. They gain this respect through their actions (and could lose it the same way). There is absolutely no dogma to atheism.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
No rhyme nor reason..."atheism" is the
posturing of non-readers. It's the religion
of turtles, osprey, sloths & bot flies.
Asparagusville 2 years ago
Either you're under some strange mistaken impression that atheists don't read, or "non-readers" means something different than what it sounds like in this context. Do clarify.
Again, not a religion, as there are no teachings or doctrines.
An interesting assortment of animals you chose there. As far as I know, none of those creatures have the mental capacity sufficient to have a concept of religion... So yes I guess you could say they are all atheists.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
You know it stuns me, Christians don't want to tolerate any Muslim dominating, but when it comes to atheists they don't give them the same concern.
Sshelly34213 2 years ago
Props to Lou Dobbs for this segment.
KajiCarson 2 years ago 2
this man is cool
ZhangyXD 2 years ago 4
Hitchens is the thinking man's Oliver Reed.
soulsinger73 2 years ago 2
Dobbs being balanced? Hitchens, sober?!
Will wonders never cease!
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago 5
Christopher Hitchens is one of those people who are so intelligent he can't figure out when he's just plain arrogant. I am agnostic and some of the stuff he writes I can get behind, but other things are things we just cannot possible know of yet. Human beings aren't that smart yet.
comicfl 2 years ago
I agree. Hitchens is a genius but sometimes me doesn't know when he takes it a little too far. I still love the guy though.
ElCapitan327 2 years ago
How does he ever take it 'a little too far'?
Has he ever flown a plane into church?
Has he ever tried to burn the bible/koran?
Has he ever started a war against a religious country?
Has he ever threatened an atheist who wishes to become religious?
He is actually very restrained, you have no idea what you're talking about!
publicanimal9 2 years ago 4
how old is this???
yamaha893 2 years ago
I believe it aired somewhere around may 2007.
kmi187 2 years ago
I like him too, though I have to say I don't know with what religion he aligns himself.
capedcamish 2 years ago
He's an atheist. Which, some say is a religion, but I wouldn't say that. Calling an atheist religious is on par with saying someone has a hobby of NOT collecting stamps. I'm sure he's happy just to be called secular.
npucket2 2 years ago 3
He doesn't align himself with any religion. Atheism (lack of the belief in a God) isn't a religion, just as simply believing in a God doesn't make it a religion. Christianity, Judaism, Islam are all religions, but simply the belief in a God isn't a religion. Religious have tenets, rituals and dogma, neither of which an atheist has.
pengwin06 2 years ago 2
That's great, although I wasn't able to find any sourced statements where Dobbs asserts a disbelief in any gods. He does fit the bill of a skeptic, though. :)
capedcamish 2 years ago 2
Ah, I thought we were talking about Hitchens. hehe.
pengwin06 2 years ago
I've heard him say in a few interviews that he identifies himself as an anti-theist, which means that he believes there is no God and he is happy about it whereas some atheists believe there is no God, but wish that there was
jacejay75 2 years ago
That's not correct.
Atheists don't believe in God, but take a 'live & let live' approach.
Anti-theists are actively against religion.
Desire has nothing to do with it.
publicanimal9 2 years ago
wrong
iLuvSPH 2 years ago
Well that's a sentient & well-reasoned argument! You would make a great lawyer....retard. lol
publicanimal9 2 years ago
don't listen to publicanimal9, he's wrong. You got it right.
iLuvSPH 2 years ago
He doesn't, he's intelligent!
publicanimal9 2 years ago
I like Lou Dobbs a lot. Much more level headed than the average US news presenter.
padraic2001eire 2 years ago 2
Hitchens is much more effective when sober
nickwade1 2 years ago 3
true.. but he's more entertaining when he's not :P
npucket2 2 years ago 8
I'll take him either way
robotwookie 2 years ago 5