Naihanchi applications -Kata- Karate Shorin-ryu

[OhPatrick]

You are all idiots who try to comment on wether these moves are effective or legitimate. Just watch the videos and say "wow!". Anything can be effective if you do it correctly and it's before you get your ass kicked. Have a nice day....STUDENTS!

[latenesatroden]

movimientos demasiado irreales...

[jiggahippo]

some of these applications are not very good. MasterTony Annise application are far better and more real.

[Yasaguri]

@jiggahippo I am sure you are referring to Tony AnnESI? Noty sure what your level of training or experience is, but these are very "basic" applications. No one said they were advanced. And am not sure how REAL you want them to be.

[Sabre809]

Each moment in the kata is an attack, and a throw...

[Godkeeper01]

Oh I think this is no effective

[deadmike2]

@Godkeeper01 then you are wrong

[robertdlithgow]

I deeply respect the wisdom of these karateka. Also, for all of the years I have spent studying karate, there is still so much out there that I don't know. That said, I suspect that the suggested applications are less than ideal, since karate normally engages opponents at a greater distance and with larger, more powerful moves. This kata seems to offer very close range moves. As for the creator, the opening position is suggestive of Chinese origin--crossed hands often symbolize the four gates.

[BelloBudo007]

Speaking as a Shotokan guy who is constantly hearing how 'bad Shotokan kata applications are', I don't know what to make of seeing other schools such as Shorin, Wado & Shito with kata applications that are just as lame. These Shorin Ryu application shown here are pretty Average Joe at best. People IF you want good applications Google Ian Abernaithy. This bloke provides workable real world applications for those who are serious.

[beckslove33]

This isn't the best way to do it. Sorry.

[robertdlithgow]

I have been really digging into the historical roots of karate-- I come from Shotokan, but my exposure has been broadening recently. The Japanese sensei learned this kata, which I know as Tekki Shodan, from Okinowan practicioners, as stated below. However, there is a tradition that the kata originated in China. I see similarities to the Chum Kiu form practiced in Wing Chun. Does anyone know if there is a connection between the two, or did they develop separately?

[alekt5]

@robertdlithgow Matsumura Sokon (Bushi) sensei developed the Naihanchi katas for protected the castle of Shuri, especifically the great door, from he depended on the king's life.. The Shorin Ryu is the true Karate.

[fightingthebs]

so sooooooooooooooooo wrong. But this is the "crap" they" learned" and taught in the commercial schools for decades

[c0402]

SOOOOO wrong



[talon115]

one step demo's are a waste of time.

[teddywinroth]

NICE



[VISIONMORBID]

great art shorin ryu very nice

[TheFudokan]

.this is bunkai like for sports kumite...we did tekki shodan (same kata) with okinawan bunkai.....real bunkai...there are about 10 deadly combinations...kata was providing to hide those deadly techniques....You will rarly see anywhere real and first pure old bunkai..japanesse bunkai is with principles, block-kick, block-kick and so on...okinawan real bunkai is combination of killing techniques, and by that bunkai you are learning KYUSHO-weak spots on the body...this is not real okinawan bunkai

[aqx770]

@TheFudokan

yes, it is very true the bunkai is hidden and yes also it is true the "weak spots" are the true targets of bunkai.

[TheFudokan]

@aqx770 90percent of karatekas out of japan and okinawa think that this is bunkai, so they are not interested in doing katas, so they doing just kumite which is wrong.in japan is the sam way for bunkai.everything dangerous, everything deadly, every real bunkai from okinawa Anko Itosu rejected bcs he wanted to have karate not to be dangerous like okinawan, and he took just basic from okinawan karate...in the past japanese were practising on okinawa too, but they did not show the world real karate

[aqx770]

@TheFudokan

Yes, I agree. From my research it appears Itosu was the single element behind hiding and then later allowing the knowledge to wither away. I don't pretend to have the whole story, and I may never have the whole story. What I do know has taken the better part of 40 years to uncover.

I believe Itosu hid the old knowledge for political reasons. We know he was in a position within the local government to be able to carry this off.

[lococavasa]

@aqx770 I am just a martial artist on the road to self discovery with a question that is valuable to anyone using self defense. Because like i said i know breaking the floating ribs can result in death but i don't know the medical implications to the higher ribs. It is useless to keep such information secret.

[TheFudokan]

@aqx770 and many of japanes who were practising on okinawa are old shotokan teachers like kase, kubota, all japanesse instructors....but they were allowed to show just basics of karate....bcs of that today we have sports karate...OSU!

[dragoneye020]

nice movement .....

[stompySharpNpointy]

i guess thats one Bunkai search Oyata seminars find others

[lococavasa]

yes i know the strike is not to the floating ribs shown in the vid im just stateing a valuable fact of what can happen if u stricke the floating ribs.

[lococavasa]

For the shorin ryu practioners out there would these elbows strikes u see in the vid break the ribs in real life scenerio using full force? What are the actuall medical implications? I understand that the floating ribs are easly broken and a good disabling place to strike however breaking the floating ribs can also puncture the lungs internal bleeding resulting in death thats to serious i think to try for defence in todays streets battlefiels times ok but not streets.

[aqx770]

@lococavasa

The elbow strikes would not be to the short ribs, though it is possible they could be to the trunk. It's also likely they could be used in a variety of other targets but because this is a publc forum such a discussion would not be proper.

[lococavasa]

@aqx770 Then when would it be proper? in the dojo? Its all the same self defense is self defense how you describe the act is the only thing that changes.

[aqx770]

@lococavasa

Loco, I've read your multiple posts, though I did not at the time have the chance to answer. I do now. I can understand your frustration and at least in some measure your argument to share knowledge falls on willing ears. At the same time there is an historical body of ethics that bound and do still bind the traditional teacher. The more I age the more I understand the wisdom of those traditional boundries.

[lococavasa]

@aqx770 Every person in this world has a responsibility for what they do. People need to know the rules and laws of fighting as well as science so they don't use excessive force.To say i can't discuss this with you because it's a public forum is to say it's a public forum but public issue's are not important.I disagree it is very important one knows and understands the laws of fighting to avoid miss-usage.

[aqx770]

@lococavasa

Loco, I did not say YOU could not discuss this with me. You are most welcome to do so. What I said was that it is not proper for me to go into deadly techniques in this public forum with people I do not know. You sound to me like an intelligent, dedicated person, which is exactly what the furture of karate needs to survive. The problem is you are not the only person reading this and we are not sitting at tea in a private place where I could explain what some of the bunkai means.

[aqx770]

In general, the law concerning force states that one may only use force in proportion to that which is being used against him. Force ceases when the threat is gone. "Run Away" remains the first, best option as this does not involve police officers, medical units, and prosecuting attorneys.

But let me see if I can answer your question in a different way. The human body can be thought of as four weapons systems and a guidance center

[aqx770]

@lococavasa

We disable the weapon systems until we can disable or destroy the guidence center. Let me be clear that one way to disable the guidence center is to run away. Another way is to confuse the enemy and to convince him that aggression on his part will cause him great loss.As an example, imagine someone wanting to fight and then you ask if he is married? "Yes", he answers. You reply, "I don't know about you, but my wife will NEVER let me live this down if we get arrested. "

[aqx770]

@lococavasa

He looks at you somewhat confused and then, if it goes well laughs and says "Boy do you have THAT one right!" So, you then chuckle and offer to buy the guy a cup of cofee and dounut and grip about your wives. That is real "Black Bett" karate. Nobody gets hurt and you create a win-win.

But let's say it doesn't go that way. What next?

You can disable your enemy with attacks to different systems of his body. Think nerves, joints or organs. If the enemy is not pain complient

[aqx770]

@lococavasa

Opps, if the enemy is not pain complient, such as what happens with drunks and people on a variety of drugs, you then must move to mechanical options, wich means joint attacks. Mostly this means levering joints to a throw or in more serious situations breaking.

Organ attacks are obviously far more serious in thier consequences for all involved.

[ptboyindenver]

I really hate to find myself in agreement with acerwk, but he's right, these bunkai are not what I would expect in a Shorin Ryu video. It looks like they copied bad JKA (Shotokan) bunkai from the 1970's.

[831883188318]

is it just me or does it seem like that guy has short hands?

[TheKruczek]

I really enjoyed this, but I feel like they completely skipped over the second "Look Stomp. Block." sequence where you bring your left hand across your body augmenting it with your right hand.

I refer to it as the "awkward block" and would have loved to hear more insight on what they think it would be useful for in bunkai.

[acerwk]

@AshrafEissa1 Yes my friend in streets you will defend your shelf using karate moves after all karate is what you study.But the bunkai must be answers against what the other will do against you.the other cant be all karateka so they will attack you with roundhouse low kicks takedowns etc.so the bunkai must apply against those kind of attack and not against oi-tsuki/gyaku tsuki

[acerwk]

@AshrafEissa1 In the streets they gonna attack you with low kicks,roundhouse punches,takedowns.the bunkai must be against those kind of attacks and not on Kizami tsuki or gyaku tsuki.Thats crap

[acerwk]

@AshrafEissa1 the opponent will never attack with oi-tsuki and the wait for you to counter.tose bunkai are unpractical

[Sugarfoot108]

Before anyone starts telling me there are different levels and this is just the basic one....Kata are designed to be repetitious by nature. This great thing about repetition is that it develops neural pathways and muscle memory. This would be a waste of effort if I expected my body to react differently depending on what level I am on. I would have trained for spontaneous reaction (far faster and real than thought action) but negated this by using thought process.

[aqx770]

@Sugarfoot108

This is neither a "Basic" kata nor a simple "club" kate. The NIhanchi series is one of the oldest in Okinawa karate. One master felt that there were originally four Nihanchin and that one was lost, also that they date back to Shaolin.

[Sugarfoot108]

Tidy karate and what one would expect to see in a club of this day and age, but your applications only resemblance to the kata are that you are using the same limbs. As others have said, the distance is unrealistic (based on modern sport karate). Why use elbows at this range??? Why train kata side on, but then apply squared up in sport fasion?

[gimnli]

there are like 80 bunkais in each kata

[acerwk]

Nobody will attack you with oi-tsuki /gyaku tsuki in real life.This bunkai is crap

[mallardgreen]

@acerwk So, because a boxer will never be attacked by a rope in real life, he shouldn't jump rope? Because he'll never be attacked by a heavy bag or a speed bag, he shouldn't practice on either? Practicing this way provides a very useful, safe reference point from which to branch out and modify. It teaches timing, proper body mechanics, distancing. If one were to follow your logic through, the only legitimate training would be just go get in a lot of bar fights.

[Ronin6575]

Many of the older bunkai were done at much closer ranges that this. It is unlikely that attackers will come at you with ippon kumite attacks. So the practical value of this interpretation is limited to only prearranged one punch attacks. So my comments are not to criticize, but to point out limitations.

[slingman6]

Very helpful! As an Isshin-ryu (Shorin-ryu synthesized with Goju-ryu) practicioner, this showed many useful techniques.

[faron27]

very nice application!

[Mr23748]

Exellent for shotokan practioners to help them understand the meaning of Tekki shodan.

[yohrocks]

Uema sensei is just great! I admire his humbleness so much! He was a good teacher to me!

[Derukugi2]

This is tekki shodan in Shotokan, right?

[MrNickjannini]

@Derukugi2 In Shotokan, yes. 

[TKD344]

Excellent !