Yeah its a folding stock not a collapsible stock Mr. Rep at least get that right please your gonna confuse the call of duty guys. Then we will never hear the end of it " But the rep said it was a collapsible stock he works for the company he knows" and then someones gonna have to explain to them "No fuck face he made a mistake" and no one wants to have to do that cause its fucking annoying thanks.
Full auto you get muzzle climb.I have shot the Kriss and it has very little muzzle climb.Pres Reagan's assassination attempt in 1981,if you watch the entire video you can see a secret service agent take out of hiding on his body a full size UZI. Agents have a side arm now and maybe a mp5.The thing that stood out to me was the agent forgot to chamber a round.After all that is over you see him chamber a round.Under pressure anything can happen.They are suppose to be the best.Uzi=muzzle climb.
@profsat5 This post confuses me. Real UZIs like the ones Reagan's Secret Service carried are open-bolt machineguns. I don't know what that agent might have been doing, but "chambering a round" is not the name of the game with an open-bolt submachine gun. Beyond that, I'm pretty sure the Secret Service is now using the FN P90 instead of the 9mm subguns. Not a bad choice either, when you consider the overall size and the effectiveness of the GOOD ammo that the Secret Service has access to.
@boricuaDV I started to say "cock" the UZI,or the bolt is held to the rear when cocked, but for limited space on utube I said chamber.I know UZI's fire from a open bolt but most people don't know what "firing from a open bolt" is.So It would have took more time or room to explain it.I know preban ,grandfathered Macs,Interdynamic KG9,UZI's and even M16 A3 LSW/LMG fires from a open bolt.Plus a lot more,too many to mention.Sorry about the confusion.
People are crying over the price.The only people that can have these are cops and military.Plus a few private post samples that will be out-rage-us on the class3 samples.Don't worry your police dept will buy some with your tax dollars.Since its our tax dollars its kinda like we bought them,we just don't get to shoot them!
@profsat5 You can't get SMGs, but you can get 3 other civilian legal versions. I have the carbine with a 16" barrel and love it. They also make the SDP, which is like an AR-15 pistol version of the gun and also a short-barreled rifle.
@BeltFedWeapon You kind of lost me there on your reply because I can get and I have got SMG(sub-machine-guns).Micro UZI,Thompson or The Chicago Typewriter,Mac10 and SBR Colt in 9 mm.Thats what class 3 weapons that I have.I think you were sayin I can't get a SMG KRISS which I totally agree with you.You can get a KRISS in the other 3 configurations that are for the public.Happy Shooting guy! Maybe someday the law will be changed and the modern smg can be sold public.
I met some COPS who told me that President Obama gave them one of these. I guess they mean they got federal funding for one. I told them that's awesome even though I'm not the President's biggest fan he reminds me of some of my teachers at Jr. college. There beliefs and positions are mostly synonymous with his. To bad civilians will only be allowed semi auto version with 16 in barrel. Here in CA I'm not allowed that. The gov should buy these for the army it's a better usage of $ then stealth !
This is for LAW enforcement? Like regular Police? What happened to them being Peace Officers? This thing is beautiful but seriously, isnt it more Military?
the next innovation to the Super V system is to make a bullpup version which has the capability to shoot a 7.62 X 39 mm round so we can rip through Kevlar and other types of common body armor.
@Takkization Your thinking to hard about this. Instead of adopting the Super V for rifle rounds, how about porting the recoil system over to an AR platform. Plus, the Russians don't use the 7.62x39 anymore. They use a high velocity round just like NATO and China. I think it's a 5.45mm round if I'm not mistaken. The Chinese use a 5.7 or 5.8mm (can't remember exactly). Using anything shorter then a 10 inch barrel for high veliocity ammo will defeat the purpose of what the ammo is intended for.
@thebadguy2k6 if im not mistaken the russian ak 74 round can be shot out of any size barrel and still do its purpose hit and roll
sorry i cant think of the cal lol im not really good with ammo sizes because all i own is a mossberg and a glock 22 so correct me if im wrong but i heard that from a guy who is really good with balistics
@with33 No, it can't. The bore of the barrel is specifically shaped to fit a certain shape cartridge. The barrel is specifically designed for one calibre. The brass casing has to mesh exactly with the bore walls or you won't create a seal between the cartridge and the bullet itself. Without that seal, you will not be able to lock bolt in the forward position which is required to engage the firing pin and ignite the round. Plus, without a good seal, your gun will just blowup in your face.
@with33 To expand upon your question, perhaps your friend meant any size barrel meaning any size length barrel, which would be true. You could fire the AK-47 round, which is the 5.45x39mm round I mentioned earlier, through almost any length barrel (10 inch to 20 inch barrels). The problem with shorter barrels is that the shorter the barrel is, the less time the gun powder has to fully burn and expand which means your bullet leaves the barrel before reaching max velocity and thus, has less power
@with33 Sorry, I didn't mean to speak in a "professor" type way. You would be surprised at the idiots that comment on these types of treads that know nothing about firearms or the physics involved. Ballistics can be defined as E=Mc^2 where as total energy equals the mass of the "bullet" times a constant. In our case, that constant is the release of kinetic energy which is imparted unto the bullet via raid expansion of ignited solids which trasnform into gaseous states.
@with33 However, your friend is correct. High-velocity ammo is just that......it's a little bit of mass and a "SHIT TON" of power. That is why it is able to defeat most body armor types if it has a "steel core". Lead core's are maliable which means they have a tendency to "bend" rather than break. Steel is brittle which means it's more birttle then lead ad has a tendency to shatter rather then bend. However, steel has a higher tolerance for shattering then lead has for bending.
@with33 Lead core's are devistating to human body tissue because they "deform" upon impact, thus, they break apart like a mini-grenade once inside the human body. Steel core's, on the other hand, will not deform upon entering human tissue, rather, they will cut right through a body, which imparts minimal damage to the person that you hit. Steel core bullets....like the M855 5.56x45mm NATO round are designed to defeat body armor.....not "kill people". Same concept is behind the 5.45mm Russian.
ok guys, quit ur bitchin. the mp7 is armor piercing but inferior. the kriss has a lot mor knock down to an unarmored opponent and has no barrel movement. all full auto guns are expensive, and glocks do make extended mags
I wish someone wold make a video showing people how easy it is to kill with the vector,
BLING
FMJ
ACOG
STOPPING POWER
STEADY AIM
STOPPING POWER and FMJ=BIG power on gun that shoots them 3 per 1/2of1/2 a sec.
STEADY AIM and ACOG= ranged, reliable, quick reflex shooting with NO RECOIL
A good amount of people say the vector is weak but if they would look closer it has range and power with high firerate and thats pretty much the whole package.
@noodow715 mp7 only fires 780 rpms the kriss super v fires 1,300 rpms, the kriss fires a higher grade round being a .45 cfp round, not a 9mm. The Kriss has higher accuracy, and the gun design makes it have a crap ton less recoil. so yeah just for your info.
@youisa1 mp7 has less recoil, packs more ammo, more accurate, more range, more mobile, it can be used as a side arm (dual version), armor penetrating (which kriss is not) and its by far lighter fyi my friend.
@noodow715 yes but how many of toughs tiny 4.6x30mm rounds are you going to use to down 1 most likely unarmored person a lot and the mp7 is made for nothing but armor piercing and the ammo is a lot more expensive then 45 acp that is why they are not used much anywhere
@masterofnotmuch theyre not more expensive lol... in fact theyre just as cheap as 9mm pistol rounds (diameter determines price) and if they can penetrate armor they can penetrate a person's body. the difference between mp7 and kriss is the difference between hitting someone with a baseball bat and stabbing them with a knife.
@1loserq Are you serious, The Kriss Super-Vector is probably one of the most accurate weapon systems in the world. This isn't call of duty buddy, this is the real deal.
@juniosonga333 lol are you serious. The P90 shoots a smaller round, slower fire rate, more recoil, and less accuracy, and on top of that the P90 is a larger weapon system which makes it heavier and is less ergonomic. And the P90 is very prone to jamming during mid fire and the Kriss Super-Vector currently hasn't jammed yet due to the Kalashnikov's model for bigger parts easy cleaning. I mean serious have you ever taken apart a P90? I have it takes forever to clean.
Hmmm. I think I still prefer the MP5K. A loss of only 100 RPM and a bit of accuracy, more flexible, comes in 9mm for a 32 round box, (And that's not taking into account C-Mag potential, eh?). Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge the revolutionary design of the Vector...But it's a submachine gun. Accuracy isn't the priority. Putting a lethal amount of lead downrange and portability are. On the flipside, I suppose the .45ACP compatibility adds to the lethality and AP potential, wasting less ammo...
45ACP has an advantage over 9x19mm Parabellum if you are going suppressed. The HK MP5SD has to bleed gas as to render the standard 147 grain FMJ subsonic. This significantly reduces the stopping power from a normal 9mm. The 45ACP is naturally subsonic, so you don't have to bleed gas, and it comes out of the suppressor with a full head of steam. Also, the 45ACP was developed after the 1901 Morro insurrection where they learned the need for a round to "Immediately" incapacitate a subject.
I was wondering what type or brand the vertical foregrip thats on the weapon. It looks to be a K-grip type. I've been searching but have not had any luck on my own.
pretty sweet but u can only use top of the line ammo no cheap 45acp ammo it likes to jam alot,they make a class 1 system with a 16 inch barrel looks likes a silencer and makes it a rifle
Actually you're incorrect. Currently with their 2010 models they only have minor issues with hollowpoints which TDI is addressing at this point. They do make a 16 in barrel but you can get a shorter shroud.
The platform is awesome the price is ridiculous. If they knew that they were going to run Glock mags out of this thing then why didn't they set it up to shoot stock 30 round mags instead of 1 mag w/ an extention? I don't shoot Glocks but don't they have a 30 rounder in every caliber?
@gunuser101 The law says no new machine guns for civilians. Only way to "own" it would be if you were a Class III dealer and it is a "dealer sample." Otherwise, you'd need to be a cop whose Police force force has them. Basically, it's a dream. Semi-Only for civilians for the most part.
@boricuaDV FYI... they're making now what they call an SBR (Short barrel rifle) and a CBR (I assume this means carbine) along with a pistol setup (no stock) that are all semi-auto and atf compliant... they're even talking about making them in .40 that would take g22 mags
the 1911 is a good pistol but its not 1941. The glock is the only pistol for me. Some people like hk or sig or even s&w but the glock is the ak47 of the pistol world.
@mica61 Yup so they can sit on shelves and nobody buys them..The people whom say they'd buy them..legally cannot own them..and the people whom can afford them..would rather spend thier money on rifles(assault)
They would be quite a pair I would agree. I wonder if it would be too heavy a setup though. Maybe one of those should be a primary and then for a secondary there is that other really cool uzi looking thing that they also showed on future weapons that has the power of an assault rifle or something.
...and also, he said that the standard is a 13 round glock magazine, there should be other magazines. not to mention that it takes less bullets to take a man down anyway.
Yeah, I just found out right after I posted the comment. It would just be rediculous for a weapon with that rate of fire to only have 13 rounds. I guess he was just using it because it was flush with the body and showed how compact the weapon could be or something.
This is the thing: 9mm is weaker and doesn't do shit to armour. Large cal weapons have too much rise and recoil when on automatic to be effective, unless they have a mount and are very big. Like he said, there is a special recoil system the transfers the recoil energy downward and helps stop the rise by as much as %75. They showed it in popular mechanics and it is one bad boy! that thing would tear you apart. The single shot and burst fire is solely for helping save ammo.
Yeah yeah you're right, after writing this comment I watched another video that explains the recoil system in details. Now I also think this thing is awesome
wouldn't we all? but I'm talking about body armor and things like doors and what not. I don't expect it to fully penetrate the armor but it would still take you down. many times just getting hit in the armour is enough to crack a few ribs or fuck up your heart. Basically, all their doing is giving you a bigger stick.
@DasSteppenwolf A burst of 9mm 147gr to the chest will put someone down just as good as a few .45 hits. MP5 is the worlds most prominent anti terror unit firearm and it is a 9mm.
I appreciate the novel design, but it is not really necessary or solving any problem. At a distance I would bet a 9mm carries more energy over a 45 anyway. And up close it wont matter.
It looks great and the concept of counter-recoil moving parts is great, as is its design. but the magazine is a little small, even for a .45 caliber weapon. with a 40- or 50 round mag, it could very well be the Thompson of the 21st century.
They should make the barrel with screw for supressor! And also to redesign the feeder, for a 3 stacks (40 rounds)? magazine! And should design any kind of grip adapter, for people with bigger or smaller hands!
Also I'm pretty sure bullpup would never work with the v system because with a bullpup the handle has to be in front of the receiver and under the barrel. basically reverting back to the problems the v system fixes. But personally I prefer it this way because I hate the position of the mag of most bullpups. Inconvenient.
good lord.......they should have got the spelling right if they wanted to name their weapon after a traditional weapon from indonesia and malaysia....its KERIS not KRISS
The Piston operated system solves a problem that doesn't exist. The DI system of the M16/M4/AR platforms is a good weapon but has a bad rep due to internet myth building. Professionals keep their weapons clean and a well maintained DI weapon is a good and reliable weapon. PO weapons are a good thing but kinda gimicky right now and the price is way too high because its the must have.
yes and no. It isn't very good on bursts at distance because it kick the weapon up and down randomly. But maybe they will improve it and apply to rifles too.
it takes more time to reload a bullpup because you have to move from the fire position to a load position back to a fire position...the only bullpup i know of that has dose not have this problem is the fn p90 and its mag is on the top of the weapon
Ja but therefor Bull pop highers the accuracy extremely while reducing size which is a good combination but the FN p90 is unreliable because of its top fed turn chamber it jammes allot
not only have i seen the p 90 in action fo myself but i know a few people that have them and non of them have ever had a problem so maby there just lucky but i dont think so.....fn is a great company and i really dont think thay would release a bad broduct that people would trust there lives to....sorry dude the p90 dosent jam a lot.
Then explain to me why most special forces denyed it plus i deal with guns my whole life and turn chambers jam more frequently then others but ur right due to the fact that the FN p90 is more modern they fixed that and my brother has one and it jams more then my G 36c
hmmmm i got an idea for a larger clip :p make it like this shape: I_I_I. the middle is where it goes into the gun, the 2 prongs on the outside are extra.. hahaha
but a bulpup's mag is located there for basically the same reason the kriss is designed the way it is......all recoil. technology is advancing thats why hk has monopolized the sub machine industry and im not sure but i think the kriss is austrian since it has a glock mag their gonna have to compete (hk is). i wonder how much it costs?
You Germans always think that your guns are the best. Actually FN is great and their SCAR is one of the best assault rifles ever made. I may become a standard issue for US army in 2009, beating your HK416/417 models.
The SCAR is still a prototype weapon. Unless you can PROVE that you have actually tested this weapon and used it under combat conditions, you're just speculating. The U.S. Military will be evaluating all these weapons again shortly. The 416/417 is currently in use with some Special Ops units, and there is no indication of the SCAR being used in the same capacity.
very true. the HK416 has been deployed as a test weapon with Army Special Forces units, and of what I've heard, it is very promising. One person I know says that it's full auto firing is the best out of any gun he has ever fired, including the SCAR.
The FN isn't an American gun either so don't think that American guns are the best since the SCAR is a great gun. FN Herstal is based in Belgium. Two machine guns currently in service with the US army, the M249 SAW and M240 general purpose machine gun were both originally made by FN but adopted by the US under a different name.
Also, there are no indications as of now that the US Army is adopting any gun to replace the M16/M4.
You don't need to redesign the whole weapon, but in order to use a different magazine, the magazine well will have to be changed. The mag catch would be in a different location, and if the mag is slimmer, the mag well will need to be as also.
Scherer already makes a 25 round magazine for the .45 caliber Glock pistols. I don't think you'll see a redesigned weapon to use a different magazine.
Not very good looking but genius design. Was just on future weapons and 30 round stick of .45ACP on full auto produced less recoil comparable to .22LR rifle
Not trying to defend TDI, but remember this is a weapon for Law Enforcement, not Military applications. For LE use, it seems advantageous to use the officer's pistol mags that they will already have on their person. The sight plane complaint is valid, but since we're talking about a maximun effective range of 100 yards or so, I don't think that will be too problematic.
If it works, the anti-recoil system is interesting. But the rest of the gun just sucks big time. No ergonomics, sights are way too far over the barrel, very stupid location for the selector, very bulky, it's using a fricken pistol caliber while NATO is about to drop pistol calibers for anything that isn't a pistol.
In the weapon's last incarnation, the sights were even higher than in this particular example. The reason why the fire selector is so far forward is because the action isn't located directly above the grip but forward of it. Check out Transformational Defense Industries' website. In the frame on the left, hit KRISS, and XSMG Demonstration to see the latest prototype in action. The damn thing can consistently hit within a target the size of a man's head on full-auto at 25 meters!
Actually, it's pretty easy to see the recoil countermeasures from the design. In a regular firearm, the action and recoil spring channel the forces rearward. In this design, the bolt cycles downwards, with the recoil spring positioned downward as well. When this gun fires, the recoil forces pull the gun down rather than push it back and up. The result is the elimination of recoil. "Elementary my dear Watson!" :)
BIG TITY RAIL
AncientFuzzball7 3 weeks ago
Aimbot
AncientFuzzball7 3 weeks ago
god mode weapon !! :DD
Yayank97 4 weeks ago
did he say the big titty rail?
boxdynomite3 1 month ago
Good Video
ftopdirs 1 month ago
Very heavy weapon system................
kuribo1 3 months ago
its showing the 45cal isnt obsolete when you take care of muzzle climb...
HamTheDog 4 months ago
lol he said "big titty rail"
LikeMikeTV 5 months ago
@LikeMikeTV I rather have a big tity rail than a penis rail anyday :)
HamTheDog 4 months ago
Is this real gun or bb gun?
Opal4566 5 months ago
Fucking Hot gun :D
i want one right fucking now !!!
xmorierx 5 months ago 4
Damn what a badass weapon system
kingpua1 6 months ago
This thing looks frickin' awesome. CQB is always advancing.
luisdez81 6 months ago
Yeah its a folding stock not a collapsible stock Mr. Rep at least get that right please your gonna confuse the call of duty guys. Then we will never hear the end of it " But the rep said it was a collapsible stock he works for the company he knows" and then someones gonna have to explain to them "No fuck face he made a mistake" and no one wants to have to do that cause its fucking annoying thanks.
reyesisaking1 6 months ago
if they made an airsoft kriss super v i would never let it go
DidYourMomOSaurus 6 months ago
its the VECTOR
MommyBird10 7 months ago
@MommyBird10 NOOO. DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING OFF OF CALL OF DUTY.
PolarBearification1 6 months ago
@PolarBearification1 i know...but as of Call of Duty calling it the Vector....ITS STILL AN AWESOME GUN
MommyBird10 6 months ago
Full auto you get muzzle climb.I have shot the Kriss and it has very little muzzle climb.Pres Reagan's assassination attempt in 1981,if you watch the entire video you can see a secret service agent take out of hiding on his body a full size UZI. Agents have a side arm now and maybe a mp5.The thing that stood out to me was the agent forgot to chamber a round.After all that is over you see him chamber a round.Under pressure anything can happen.They are suppose to be the best.Uzi=muzzle climb.
profsat5 7 months ago
@profsat5 This post confuses me. Real UZIs like the ones Reagan's Secret Service carried are open-bolt machineguns. I don't know what that agent might have been doing, but "chambering a round" is not the name of the game with an open-bolt submachine gun. Beyond that, I'm pretty sure the Secret Service is now using the FN P90 instead of the 9mm subguns. Not a bad choice either, when you consider the overall size and the effectiveness of the GOOD ammo that the Secret Service has access to.
boricuaDV 7 months ago
@boricuaDV I started to say "cock" the UZI,or the bolt is held to the rear when cocked, but for limited space on utube I said chamber.I know UZI's fire from a open bolt but most people don't know what "firing from a open bolt" is.So It would have took more time or room to explain it.I know preban ,grandfathered Macs,Interdynamic KG9,UZI's and even M16 A3 LSW/LMG fires from a open bolt.Plus a lot more,too many to mention.Sorry about the confusion.
profsat5 7 months ago
People are crying over the price.The only people that can have these are cops and military.Plus a few private post samples that will be out-rage-us on the class3 samples.Don't worry your police dept will buy some with your tax dollars.Since its our tax dollars its kinda like we bought them,we just don't get to shoot them!
profsat5 7 months ago
@profsat5 You can't get SMGs, but you can get 3 other civilian legal versions. I have the carbine with a 16" barrel and love it. They also make the SDP, which is like an AR-15 pistol version of the gun and also a short-barreled rifle.
BeltFedWeapon 7 months ago
@BeltFedWeapon You kind of lost me there on your reply because I can get and I have got SMG(sub-machine-guns).Micro UZI,Thompson or The Chicago Typewriter,Mac10 and SBR Colt in 9 mm.Thats what class 3 weapons that I have.I think you were sayin I can't get a SMG KRISS which I totally agree with you.You can get a KRISS in the other 3 configurations that are for the public.Happy Shooting guy! Maybe someday the law will be changed and the modern smg can be sold public.
profsat5 7 months ago
If i had to marry a gun, this would be my wife. We would have such adorable little handgun children :)
EaAirsoft 7 months ago
I met some COPS who told me that President Obama gave them one of these. I guess they mean they got federal funding for one. I told them that's awesome even though I'm not the President's biggest fan he reminds me of some of my teachers at Jr. college. There beliefs and positions are mostly synonymous with his. To bad civilians will only be allowed semi auto version with 16 in barrel. Here in CA I'm not allowed that. The gov should buy these for the army it's a better usage of $ then stealth !
dster2100 8 months ago
This is for LAW enforcement? Like regular Police? What happened to them being Peace Officers? This thing is beautiful but seriously, isnt it more Military?
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Pascakk 8 months ago
IT'S FREAK'N HUGE HOW'S THAT ERGONOMIC??....
bazengao 8 months ago
@bazengao Its compact. Dimensionally, yes its tall, but that is not a factor as the bend in your arm is 'taller' than the gun.
BeltFedWeapon 7 months ago
what the price?
jojo19001 9 months ago
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Glebasenok 10 months ago
the next innovation to the Super V system is to make a bullpup version which has the capability to shoot a 7.62 X 39 mm round so we can rip through Kevlar and other types of common body armor.
Takkization 10 months ago
@Takkization 5.56mm can do that with ease for half the price and weight.
thebadguy2k6 9 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 yea that could work too i guess. make it NATO standard too, idk why i said X 39. lol its not russian :P
Takkization 8 months ago
@Takkization Your thinking to hard about this. Instead of adopting the Super V for rifle rounds, how about porting the recoil system over to an AR platform. Plus, the Russians don't use the 7.62x39 anymore. They use a high velocity round just like NATO and China. I think it's a 5.45mm round if I'm not mistaken. The Chinese use a 5.7 or 5.8mm (can't remember exactly). Using anything shorter then a 10 inch barrel for high veliocity ammo will defeat the purpose of what the ammo is intended for.
thebadguy2k6 8 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 if im not mistaken the russian ak 74 round can be shot out of any size barrel and still do its purpose hit and roll
sorry i cant think of the cal lol im not really good with ammo sizes because all i own is a mossberg and a glock 22 so correct me if im wrong but i heard that from a guy who is really good with balistics
with33 8 months ago
@with33 No, it can't. The bore of the barrel is specifically shaped to fit a certain shape cartridge. The barrel is specifically designed for one calibre. The brass casing has to mesh exactly with the bore walls or you won't create a seal between the cartridge and the bullet itself. Without that seal, you will not be able to lock bolt in the forward position which is required to engage the firing pin and ignite the round. Plus, without a good seal, your gun will just blowup in your face.
thebadguy2k6 8 months ago
@with33 To expand upon your question, perhaps your friend meant any size barrel meaning any size length barrel, which would be true. You could fire the AK-47 round, which is the 5.45x39mm round I mentioned earlier, through almost any length barrel (10 inch to 20 inch barrels). The problem with shorter barrels is that the shorter the barrel is, the less time the gun powder has to fully burn and expand which means your bullet leaves the barrel before reaching max velocity and thus, has less power
thebadguy2k6 8 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 yes i ment length lol not actuel width im not a complete retard lol
and he says that the ak 74 round design over comes that so idk lol
with33 8 months ago
@with33 Sorry, I didn't mean to speak in a "professor" type way. You would be surprised at the idiots that comment on these types of treads that know nothing about firearms or the physics involved. Ballistics can be defined as E=Mc^2 where as total energy equals the mass of the "bullet" times a constant. In our case, that constant is the release of kinetic energy which is imparted unto the bullet via raid expansion of ignited solids which trasnform into gaseous states.
thebadguy2k6 8 months ago
@with33 However, your friend is correct. High-velocity ammo is just that......it's a little bit of mass and a "SHIT TON" of power. That is why it is able to defeat most body armor types if it has a "steel core". Lead core's are maliable which means they have a tendency to "bend" rather than break. Steel is brittle which means it's more birttle then lead ad has a tendency to shatter rather then bend. However, steel has a higher tolerance for shattering then lead has for bending.
thebadguy2k6 8 months ago
@with33 Lead core's are devistating to human body tissue because they "deform" upon impact, thus, they break apart like a mini-grenade once inside the human body. Steel core's, on the other hand, will not deform upon entering human tissue, rather, they will cut right through a body, which imparts minimal damage to the person that you hit. Steel core bullets....like the M855 5.56x45mm NATO round are designed to defeat body armor.....not "kill people". Same concept is behind the 5.45mm Russian.
thebadguy2k6 8 months ago
ok guys, quit ur bitchin. the mp7 is armor piercing but inferior. the kriss has a lot mor knock down to an unarmored opponent and has no barrel movement. all full auto guns are expensive, and glocks do make extended mags
Drumdudeck 11 months ago
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I wish someone wold make a video showing people how easy it is to kill with the vector,
BLING
FMJ
ACOG
STOPPING POWER
STEADY AIM
STOPPING POWER and FMJ=BIG power on gun that shoots them 3 per 1/2of1/2 a sec.
STEADY AIM and ACOG= ranged, reliable, quick reflex shooting with NO RECOIL
A good amount of people say the vector is weak but if they would look closer it has range and power with high firerate and thats pretty much the whole package.
Infernon100 1 year ago
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rtgpk1234 1 year ago
mp7 would ez it
noodow715 1 year ago
@noodow715 mp7 only fires 780 rpms the kriss super v fires 1,300 rpms, the kriss fires a higher grade round being a .45 cfp round, not a 9mm. The Kriss has higher accuracy, and the gun design makes it have a crap ton less recoil. so yeah just for your info.
youisa1 1 year ago
@youisa1 mp7 has less recoil, packs more ammo, more accurate, more range, more mobile, it can be used as a side arm (dual version), armor penetrating (which kriss is not) and its by far lighter fyi my friend.
noodow715 1 year ago
@noodow715 yes but how many of toughs tiny 4.6x30mm rounds are you going to use to down 1 most likely unarmored person a lot and the mp7 is made for nothing but armor piercing and the ammo is a lot more expensive then 45 acp that is why they are not used much anywhere
masterofnotmuch 1 year ago
@masterofnotmuch theyre not more expensive lol... in fact theyre just as cheap as 9mm pistol rounds (diameter determines price) and if they can penetrate armor they can penetrate a person's body. the difference between mp7 and kriss is the difference between hitting someone with a baseball bat and stabbing them with a knife.
noodow715 1 year ago
I think this is my favorite weapon of all time!
PEREZCHOOCH 1 year ago
Dear Santa..........................
liveforguns 1 year ago
LOW accuracy
1loserq 1 year ago
@1loserq Are you serious, The Kriss Super-Vector is probably one of the most accurate weapon systems in the world. This isn't call of duty buddy, this is the real deal.
youisa1 1 year ago
@1loserq Um no, the style of the gun makes it so it has no recoil, giving it less clime and more accuracy
youisa1 1 year ago
all i need now is fmg and rapid fire
thyubersandvich 1 year ago
the p90 dicks on this thing
juniosonga333 1 year ago
@juniosonga333 lol are you serious. The P90 shoots a smaller round, slower fire rate, more recoil, and less accuracy, and on top of that the P90 is a larger weapon system which makes it heavier and is less ergonomic. And the P90 is very prone to jamming during mid fire and the Kriss Super-Vector currently hasn't jammed yet due to the Kalashnikov's model for bigger parts easy cleaning. I mean serious have you ever taken apart a P90? I have it takes forever to clean.
youisa1 1 year ago
Hmmm. I think I still prefer the MP5K. A loss of only 100 RPM and a bit of accuracy, more flexible, comes in 9mm for a 32 round box, (And that's not taking into account C-Mag potential, eh?). Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge the revolutionary design of the Vector...But it's a submachine gun. Accuracy isn't the priority. Putting a lethal amount of lead downrange and portability are. On the flipside, I suppose the .45ACP compatibility adds to the lethality and AP potential, wasting less ammo...
BokiiWolf 1 year ago
they toned it down to 1000 becuase why would u want that fast rate of fire
VALVEGAMER20 1 year ago
why not a .50 cal. like the desert eagle or a .50 (round tip?) rifle round, the ones that some lever action rifles use.
Jkenville91 1 year ago
@Jkenville91 Because it's retarded. 15 round magazine in smg isn't very advisable. Besides .45 has proven itself in Thompson and those smgs.
TheVGamer 1 year ago
I love watching this kind of videos
yakkahDotCom 1 year ago
imo opinion this gun is cute :D
gungeekgary 1 year ago
If you gentlemen had not told this was a firearm, i would have thought it was a "BLACK & DECKER POWER TOOL" rotflmao!!!!
strazzy3 1 year ago
45ACP has an advantage over 9x19mm Parabellum if you are going suppressed. The HK MP5SD has to bleed gas as to render the standard 147 grain FMJ subsonic. This significantly reduces the stopping power from a normal 9mm. The 45ACP is naturally subsonic, so you don't have to bleed gas, and it comes out of the suppressor with a full head of steam. Also, the 45ACP was developed after the 1901 Morro insurrection where they learned the need for a round to "Immediately" incapacitate a subject.
MadMichigander1313 1 year ago
fuck the police
chromakey84 1 year ago
@chromakey84
HAHAH was looking for the person who would say that haha
Joshndthatdude 1 year ago
How much does it cost? And is it available for the civilian market?
AlfieWilRus 1 year ago
hummmmm 2 shot burst
SANDLotfan112 1 year ago
Anjing
and123suju 1 year ago
i dont care civilian/military, just give it to me
jdymes101101 1 year ago
the military version looks more sick.
luvudarren1 1 year ago
I was wondering what type or brand the vertical foregrip thats on the weapon. It looks to be a K-grip type. I've been searching but have not had any luck on my own.
Thanks for the vid.
LUKASMYLES 2 years ago
pretty sweet but u can only use top of the line ammo no cheap 45acp ammo it likes to jam alot,they make a class 1 system with a 16 inch barrel looks likes a silencer and makes it a rifle
23ltr90 2 years ago
Actually you're incorrect. Currently with their 2010 models they only have minor issues with hollowpoints which TDI is addressing at this point. They do make a 16 in barrel but you can get a shorter shroud.
endless297 1 year ago
The platform is awesome the price is ridiculous. If they knew that they were going to run Glock mags out of this thing then why didn't they set it up to shoot stock 30 round mags instead of 1 mag w/ an extention? I don't shoot Glocks but don't they have a 30 rounder in every caliber?
Springr1911 2 years ago
If I recall correctly, Scherer makes a 25 round mag, but Glock does not make any factory .45 mags with a higher capacity than the regular G21 mags.
boricuaDV 2 years ago
I could have sworn that they made those in every caliber. Either way I still want this rifle, but the price is a hard one to justify.
Springr1911 2 years ago
@boricuaDV they sell 50 round mags for glocks...do your research buddy
Denis543 1 year ago
@Denis543 ProMags aren't mags at all, buddy ;)
boricuaDV 1 year ago 12
@boricuaDV good call, that is my bad =p
Denis543 1 year ago
@Denis543 never heard of a 50 rounders but they make the MagEx Magazine Extension to give the standard g21 mag 30 rounds
masterofnotmuch 1 year ago
This IS an interesting SMG, 2 round burst and 13 round mags? Can't wait for Madbull to make their airsoft version.
malofa99 2 years ago
they make a civilian version, semi of course with a long barrel, get a ATF stamp for the SBR barrel
ForTehNguyen 2 years ago 3
Is there a Class 1 version of this weapon or is it all Class III NFA stuff?
C172Pilotdude 2 years ago
There is a semi auto 16" version for civilian sale @ ~$1700, but in my opinion, that negates the benefits of the unique recoil management system :(
boricuaDV 2 years ago
@boricuaDV so with a class III u can buy this? or is it just for police?
gunuser101 1 year ago
@gunuser101 The law says no new machine guns for civilians. Only way to "own" it would be if you were a Class III dealer and it is a "dealer sample." Otherwise, you'd need to be a cop whose Police force force has them. Basically, it's a dream. Semi-Only for civilians for the most part.
boricuaDV 1 year ago
@boricuaDV FYI... they're making now what they call an SBR (Short barrel rifle) and a CBR (I assume this means carbine) along with a pistol setup (no stock) that are all semi-auto and atf compliant... they're even talking about making them in .40 that would take g22 mags
No burn btw just a heads up :)
Good vid
HatemongerNTBSF1129 1 year ago
@boricuaDV ah sorry my bad, didn't see the other persons comment
HatemongerNTBSF1129 1 year ago
colt 1911 .45 is my fav pistol
victimsofboredom 3 years ago 2
Really? That's interesting.
CorporalDogmeat 3 years ago
the 1911 is a good pistol but its not 1941. The glock is the only pistol for me. Some people like hk or sig or even s&w but the glock is the ak47 of the pistol world.
rd231982 2 years ago
Hey there lave us old folks our 1911's alone ... I have both glock andSA 1911's
Chris1760 2 years ago
hey, same here!
LWRCftw 2 years ago
Now they just meed to stop talking about the damn thing and START MAKING THEM!!
mica61 3 years ago 12
There have been a few on gunbroker, but 4K + is a little out of the budget!
DooMv32 2 years ago
doo- They are going for $1,700.00-$2,000.00.
Go to the TDI Kriss Super V website and look up "authorized dealers"
I am picking mine up in a week, yipp yip yahoo!!!!!
usarmycaptainamerica 2 years ago 2
@mica61 Yup so they can sit on shelves and nobody buys them..The people whom say they'd buy them..legally cannot own them..and the people whom can afford them..would rather spend thier money on rifles(assault)
DON619ST38 6 months ago
Upside down would actually work kind of. There are guns that feed regular mags from the topish side. But they are akward as hell
shortazngamer 3 years ago
it looks like weapon from unreal tournament :D
cinderfella86 4 years ago 2
the name its from indonesian swords the keris
agentnoc 4 years ago
It occurs to me if they could chamber this to fire armor-piercing PDW rounds, they could challenge the P90 or the MP7...
...problem with that, of course, is that demand for PDWs isn't that high, except with a select few, like special forces.
RRVCrinale 4 years ago
a 7.62x51mm NATO bullpup rifle with this would be amazing.
iunnox666 4 years ago
They would be quite a pair I would agree. I wonder if it would be too heavy a setup though. Maybe one of those should be a primary and then for a secondary there is that other really cool uzi looking thing that they also showed on future weapons that has the power of an assault rifle or something.
bloeregard 4 years ago
2.18kg When empty.
zappyhod 3 years ago
very heavy for midgets.
godscuttingyoudown 3 years ago
How can they make a bullpup version os this gun, do you know how it works? It's impossible, just would worsen the accuracy!
And also why to use the heavy 7.62 NATO? If they developed a new technology, they should make an better ammo designed specially for this gun!
fcinquini88 4 years ago
you make it upside down, duh
iunnox666 4 years ago
Fill me in cause i dont understand what you are talking about. What does 7.62 Nato ammo have to do with the .45 Kriss?
stbfree 3 years ago
...and also, he said that the standard is a 13 round glock magazine, there should be other magazines. not to mention that it takes less bullets to take a man down anyway.
bloeregard 4 years ago
they made some 28 round magazines for it.
iunnox666 4 years ago
Yeah, I just found out right after I posted the comment. It would just be rediculous for a weapon with that rate of fire to only have 13 rounds. I guess he was just using it because it was flush with the body and showed how compact the weapon could be or something.
bloeregard 4 years ago
im pretty sure the current RPM is 1100 rpm now.
iunnox666 4 years ago
45 cal SMG.. I don't know.. I guess it can practically be used only burst or single shot
bigturk74 4 years ago
This is the thing: 9mm is weaker and doesn't do shit to armour. Large cal weapons have too much rise and recoil when on automatic to be effective, unless they have a mount and are very big. Like he said, there is a special recoil system the transfers the recoil energy downward and helps stop the rise by as much as %75. They showed it in popular mechanics and it is one bad boy! that thing would tear you apart. The single shot and burst fire is solely for helping save ammo.
bloeregard 4 years ago
Yeah yeah you're right, after writing this comment I watched another video that explains the recoil system in details. Now I also think this thing is awesome
bigturk74 4 years ago
cool. hey, merry christmas everyone!
bloeregard 4 years ago
What kind of armor does 45 ammo penetrates?
I guess it can be effective just against people inside cars, because the minimum armour level in the market, stops .357 magnum shots!
But I still would like to have a MP5K PDW (with supressor, and 147gr bullets)!
fcinquini88 4 years ago
wouldn't we all? but I'm talking about body armor and things like doors and what not. I don't expect it to fully penetrate the armor but it would still take you down. many times just getting hit in the armour is enough to crack a few ribs or fuck up your heart. Basically, all their doing is giving you a bigger stick.
bloeregard 4 years ago
9mm has greater penetration than a .45. And here's a solution, don't miss the target.
tab6491 4 years ago
ya but the .45 has more stopping power for short range targets
DasSteppenwolf 3 years ago 10
@DasSteppenwolf A burst of 9mm 147gr to the chest will put someone down just as good as a few .45 hits. MP5 is the worlds most prominent anti terror unit firearm and it is a 9mm.
I appreciate the novel design, but it is not really necessary or solving any problem. At a distance I would bet a 9mm carries more energy over a 45 anyway. And up close it wont matter.
labartic 1 year ago
It looks great and the concept of counter-recoil moving parts is great, as is its design. but the magazine is a little small, even for a .45 caliber weapon. with a 40- or 50 round mag, it could very well be the Thompson of the 21st century.
TempestDust 4 years ago
Nice gun, great concept. Wonder how much maintenance the recoil mitigation unit requires..
johanlondon 4 years ago
they should have a 9mm model too for less penetration and danger to innocent bystanders for areas with a higher population
razordogg1 4 years ago
They should make the barrel with screw for supressor! And also to redesign the feeder, for a 3 stacks (40 rounds)? magazine! And should design any kind of grip adapter, for people with bigger or smaller hands!
Just my oppinion!
fcinquini88 4 years ago
Also I'm pretty sure bullpup would never work with the v system because with a bullpup the handle has to be in front of the receiver and under the barrel. basically reverting back to the problems the v system fixes. But personally I prefer it this way because I hate the position of the mag of most bullpups. Inconvenient.
SnowBlind853 4 years ago
Although TDI is owned by a swiss corporation I'm pretty sure it was American Designed.
SnowBlind853 4 years ago
how much are they $
deauzie 4 years ago
Now they just need to make it in a bullpup configuration.. -> best weapon ever
w4rmgun 4 years ago
they should make it compatible with the thompson 30 round stick mags
AirsoftLife 4 years ago
good lord.......they should have got the spelling right if they wanted to name their weapon after a traditional weapon from indonesia and malaysia....its KERIS not KRISS
01134hello 4 years ago
The Piston operated system solves a problem that doesn't exist. The DI system of the M16/M4/AR platforms is a good weapon but has a bad rep due to internet myth building. Professionals keep their weapons clean and a well maintained DI weapon is a good and reliable weapon. PO weapons are a good thing but kinda gimicky right now and the price is way too high because its the must have.
BadazzShovelhead 4 years ago
good technology, should be used in rifles too
iammatttt 4 years ago
yes and no. It isn't very good on bursts at distance because it kick the weapon up and down randomly. But maybe they will improve it and apply to rifles too.
sspope 4 years ago
The stock is ugly...but the gun was cool
NallePu 4 years ago
Ja true it is sort of ugly idont get why theydont use the bull pop system on modern guns
FallenAngelXII 4 years ago
it takes more time to reload a bullpup because you have to move from the fire position to a load position back to a fire position...the only bullpup i know of that has dose not have this problem is the fn p90 and its mag is on the top of the weapon
hailzeon00 4 years ago
Ja but therefor Bull pop highers the accuracy extremely while reducing size which is a good combination but the FN p90 is unreliable because of its top fed turn chamber it jammes allot
FallenAngelXII 4 years ago
not only have i seen the p 90 in action fo myself but i know a few people that have them and non of them have ever had a problem so maby there just lucky but i dont think so.....fn is a great company and i really dont think thay would release a bad broduct that people would trust there lives to....sorry dude the p90 dosent jam a lot.
hailzeon00 4 years ago
Then explain to me why most special forces denyed it plus i deal with guns my whole life and turn chambers jam more frequently then others but ur right due to the fact that the FN p90 is more modern they fixed that and my brother has one and it jams more then my G 36c
FallenAngelXII 4 years ago
Jams more than your G36C, huh? Bwahahahaha! Just switch over to the two G11s you have in your closet.
f2ks 4 years ago
G11? ja thats ok what u think of the Xm8?
FallenAngelXII 4 years ago
one reason special forces denyed it was because of the small magazines that only held about 12, give or take. they're working on bigger clips atm
iammatttt 4 years ago
hmmmm i got an idea for a larger clip :p make it like this shape: I_I_I. the middle is where it goes into the gun, the 2 prongs on the outside are extra.. hahaha
craijin 4 years ago
It would be very hard to store in ammo pouches
steelgear 4 years ago
but a bulpup's mag is located there for basically the same reason the kriss is designed the way it is......all recoil. technology is advancing thats why hk has monopolized the sub machine industry and im not sure but i think the kriss is austrian since it has a glock mag their gonna have to compete (hk is). i wonder how much it costs?
Ralphjwilliams 4 years ago
No, it's swiss technology.
sspope 4 years ago
You Germans always think that your guns are the best. Actually FN is great and their SCAR is one of the best assault rifles ever made. I may become a standard issue for US army in 2009, beating your HK416/417 models.
sspope 4 years ago
The SCAR is still a prototype weapon. Unless you can PROVE that you have actually tested this weapon and used it under combat conditions, you're just speculating. The U.S. Military will be evaluating all these weapons again shortly. The 416/417 is currently in use with some Special Ops units, and there is no indication of the SCAR being used in the same capacity.
boricuaDV 4 years ago
very true. the HK416 has been deployed as a test weapon with Army Special Forces units, and of what I've heard, it is very promising. One person I know says that it's full auto firing is the best out of any gun he has ever fired, including the SCAR.
usmacadet2013 4 years ago
The FN isn't an American gun either so don't think that American guns are the best since the SCAR is a great gun. FN Herstal is based in Belgium. Two machine guns currently in service with the US army, the M249 SAW and M240 general purpose machine gun were both originally made by FN but adopted by the US under a different name.
Also, there are no indications as of now that the US Army is adopting any gun to replace the M16/M4.
GEYURI 4 years ago
and Mk 46, Mk 48.
sspope 4 years ago
the fn 44 tac is my fav handgun
Ralphjwilliams 3 years ago
Never heard of that one.
sspope 3 years ago
i meant the new fn .45 tactical...its on feb issue of guns and ammo
Ralphjwilliams 3 years ago
How's it handle? Looks like it'd be fairly accurate, and with a .45 ya can't go wrong. lol.
KiltPatrick 2 years ago
Looks like a stapler-gun but it kicks serious ass!
aciddeathadder 4 years ago
Very cool gun but i think it is ugly as hell
SigKid 4 years ago
They don't need to change the weapon itself to accept
larger calibers, just the barrel, bolt and ejection port.
Pembertonpeep 4 years ago
You don't need to redesign the whole weapon, but in order to use a different magazine, the magazine well will have to be changed. The mag catch would be in a different location, and if the mag is slimmer, the mag well will need to be as also.
boricuaDV 4 years ago
I think it would make an excellent weapon for military applications, perferebly for tank/helicopter/air crews and special forces groups.
Pembertonpeep 4 years ago
no dumb ass theyre just going to modify the gun to have a bigger fucking magazine, there not going to have 28 round glock magazines.
jobforacwby 4 years ago
Scherer already makes a 25 round magazine for the .45 caliber Glock pistols. I don't think you'll see a redesigned weapon to use a different magazine.
boricuaDV 4 years ago
Phant0: Well, it uses glock magazines. So any high-capacity glock magazine should fit. And there: you solved the "problem"
Tarkonin 4 years ago
well, glock only makes .45 mags up to 13 rounds.
gera0099 4 years ago
a quote world[.guns[.ru/smg/smg96-e.htm(I can't direct link so just erase the brackets)
Quote: "Magazine capacity: 13 rounds (28 round magazine is being developed)"
I guess that solves the problem.
Tarkonin 4 years ago
i'm guessing that means you'd be able to pop that 28-round mag into your glock, too. cool.
gera0099 4 years ago
How does the ROF fluctuate between 775 and 885
Blacksmith1964 4 years ago
Not very good looking but genius design. Was just on future weapons and 30 round stick of .45ACP on full auto produced less recoil comparable to .22LR rifle
FulMetlJakit 4 years ago
Not trying to defend TDI, but remember this is a weapon for Law Enforcement, not Military applications. For LE use, it seems advantageous to use the officer's pistol mags that they will already have on their person. The sight plane complaint is valid, but since we're talking about a maximun effective range of 100 yards or so, I don't think that will be too problematic.
It DOES look like a gasoline nozzle...
boricuaDV 5 years ago
If it works, the anti-recoil system is interesting. But the rest of the gun just sucks big time. No ergonomics, sights are way too far over the barrel, very stupid location for the selector, very bulky, it's using a fricken pistol caliber while NATO is about to drop pistol calibers for anything that isn't a pistol.
phant0 5 years ago
In the weapon's last incarnation, the sights were even higher than in this particular example. The reason why the fire selector is so far forward is because the action isn't located directly above the grip but forward of it. Check out Transformational Defense Industries' website. In the frame on the left, hit KRISS, and XSMG Demonstration to see the latest prototype in action. The damn thing can consistently hit within a target the size of a man's head on full-auto at 25 meters!
Spartan043 4 years ago
Yes, but what's the point of full auto fire with 13 round mags? The weapon will fire for about 1 second per mag depending on the rate of fire.
phant0 4 years ago
Actually, it's pretty easy to see the recoil countermeasures from the design. In a regular firearm, the action and recoil spring channel the forces rearward. In this design, the bolt cycles downwards, with the recoil spring positioned downward as well. When this gun fires, the recoil forces pull the gun down rather than push it back and up. The result is the elimination of recoil. "Elementary my dear Watson!" :)
boricuaDV 5 years ago