Agree, free will within a machine would be thoroughly dangerous, but how to control free will presents a firewall for AI, I think. Perhaps, various levels in free will could be programed into an AI entity. But, would that be considered AI?
just when he said the thinking about thinking, maybe this is just a random statement and not true but is it possible that we may not understand thinking because thinking about thinking cancels out the original thinking like once u think about thinking u can't focus on thinking as u are already focused on thinking about the subject in the first place. probably wrong thou.
@DrNaturalPhenomena haha i dont know what exactly I was trying to say anymore. I sort of meant perhaps a thought about what thoughts are cancels out the actions of the original thought. just a thought.
@deanmullen10 Valid hypothesis, bus as many people do think about their thoughts it is proven otherwise. The word, self-consciousness derives from it. Being aware you exist, being aware you have thoughts and being aware of your thoughts, simply being aware of your brain.
I myself are thinking about my thoughts many times.
Thinking about a specific thought would results in you thinking about you thinking about the subject.
Oh gees, now I understand you. How complex it is to describe with words.
I always think of life as biological machines/computers. I see myself as technology, I believe the brain has a biological version of software programmed into it so that it works so well and has tools and programs, for e.g. imagination is memory editing software like video editing software in which one takes memories and mixes them together to develop an imagined image, its developed perhaps as a person describes an image then the brain as programmed takes memories and develops an image for u.
to my mind, AI would not have the primal, reptilian aspect that humans do because AI will not have evolved biologically. What causes human evil: the lust for power, prestige, our sexual proclivities, our sensual nature, would be absent in AI.
But this is a secondary concern for me anyway since I am doubtful as to whether science knows how consciousness arises, or if it will ever know, or even if it ever can be known. Sentient AI may forever remain a thing of fantasy and speculation.
Thank you SIAI for your hard work. You are dealing with subtle issues which need to be considered correctly. Stay positive. We're all in this together
My concept of artificial intelligence is very narrow, but if AI decided that it no longer wanted to serve us, I wonder what sort of goals it would pursue instead? Would it simply replicate for the sake of it? I imagine it would have to justify its existence to itself somehow.
If we can overcome the current capitalist perverted sick unjust system that supports greed and cruelty, then we will profit from A.I., if not, then it´s gonna be a dark age.
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So I have been watching this tech. singularity stuff and it seems to me that Ray Kruzweil's ultimate idea is to defeat death by eventually "downloading" his consciousness and memories onto a robot body that can live indefinitely. Kinda like Mr. Burns in that Simpsons episode. Ambitious, no doubt. Personally, I believe that this singularity will never occur. He is too cocky. There is still much we dont understand about the biological world. And some things that we may never know.
as i believe with AI, its like a gun, there are thousands of designs, but in the end there will be a gun for a special purpose and is the most of the most, lets say like the AK 47, so with the AI, first we start with a base of a learning AI and which base is the best from thus we will produce future AI but still as a human can be a doctor, engineer and etc. so will be the AI a thinker, a creator, or a human counterpart.
PinkProgram> why would a greater intelligence find relevance in a motive supplied by a monkey?
Relevance doesn't come out of thin air. It's a subjective judgement, not an objective property. Essentially, an intelligence finds relevance in a goal because the goal is what generates the relevance. When implemented properly this loop is stable. If not implemented properly, it will be unstable and the goal system will change unpredictably until a stable loop is reached (e.g. in an 'Unfriendly' AI).
Why be selfless? Why would anyone put philanthropy dollars anywhere? Why would you expect people to give without profit? Everyone expects a return on their money, or they are fools. Give away money to the most profitable endeavor ever envisioned by men? That's a crazy expectation. "Well, I did it! My million dollars pushed them over the finish line! Now they're all trillionaires! ...Glad I could help! Can anyone let me borrow money for an Alcor policy?" LOL!!!!
er cheaper, more sensible piece of hardware there will be very little continued use for the human brain. In the end it might be humans that destroy themselves in this case.
Because of advancements in all arenas in science, the ethics of the human race once the "magic" of the "mind" have been reduced to the mechanics of the "brain" will be such a gray, honestly i don't know how the human race would survive after something like a singularity. It is one thing today to feel unsubstantial in ones faculties from genetics etc. But with such dogma today people can lean on that at least. When reduced to an inefficient pile of scrap that can be easily replaced with a greene
No shoe string paid organization like this despite their greatest intentions will be able to control something like singularity. We all know how easily information gets around. Those with money and power will get a hold of it and for more money and power they will abuse it. And yet i still want it to happen. Self improving AI if it ever comes into fruition will be the most fundamental shift the world will ever see. As much as I champion logic, as we slowly become more materialistic in society e
Strong AI may be educated to be safe through supervised learning... providing the proper stimuli. A living proof of that is our society. The problem is that no educational system is perfect, and no educational approach works perfectly for everyone.
Im down with ai, however. Ive heard people talk about shut off chips in case they are not "nice". Obviously they will be intelligent. So unless you plan to make them and then tell them to peruse life however they want with the same freedoms of man. Well then you just another slave driver. If you build them preprogrammed to serve us, but with intelligence thats slavery.
Man reaches his singularity in 2012, there won't be a need for an AI then. An AI to do what? Rule a deserted planet, toxic and devoid of resourses? Maybe the stored memeory of a few humans on sound and video files, to what? Trade like baseball cards or try and "understand" emotions they can never "feel"? Smart gadgets are really cool, I mean look at the great phones w/ cameras, but really, need to get a grip. A "smart" gadget with the ultimate AI would turn itself OFF, it would have no purpose.
@Bezz80 LAWL homi you funny. 2012. Thats a good one. Cept 1 problem i think the smallest chip is something like 15 Adams across. thats 2010. Takes 18 months to double. For the singularity it would need to be as small as 5. At that point the electron will be all over the place. Then that would be the smallest we could go. Silicon wise. Dont forget there is always the possibility of quantum computing. The fastest silicon computer could never be near as fast as human brain.
They are trying to build strong AI from scratch. But what is overlooked, I think is that we have vast resources that we simply do not use for this job. We have network in which billions of naturally intelligent minds are connected. For example we could have huge network of volunteers that teach the AI. When AI stumbles upon a problem that it simply cannot solve it would ask for advice from random humans. In this way it would be like reflection of us, not something totally alien to humanity.
Artificial Intelligence + internet = skynet! just think about it computers is everywhere and the internet binds them all together, the only thing we need is a self aware program that can learn and comprehend things in the biggest library known to man. the internet.
The perfect Android/Human will be constructed out of a new LIFE CHEMISTRY (yet to be invented) that beings brain will be backed up with others in a hard drive library
Future minds will drive many bodies, in the same way as we drive cars, bike boats and planes. The Bodies and the mind being separate. When you sit in your car you are a CYBORG but it is inefficient to carry the car with you once the task of moving fast from A to B has been accomplished.
A.S.I.M.O.V.1. is the world first SELF AWARE thinking machine. so we have taken one step closer to singularity. However biological being like humans will play virtually no part in this future. We will still be around im sure but the laws of physics means that carbon/dna systems (even GM modified humans) are so inefficient that they will play a tiny role
@2TESLACOIL, But we will shape the world. We will use AI as a tool, not the other way around. We might integrate ourselves into computers, who knows, but most people will want physical bodies as well. We will ultimatley make the decisions. We will ultimatley be in control.
"A.S.I.M.O.V.1. is the world first SELF AWARE thinking machine."
Once you look into AI, you begin to realise that "self-awareness" is a vague term that doesn't describe anything useful.
question, i like your video i was wondering if u can help me with a question i came up with an idea lets say there are two pc's ,in pc 1 there are three box's that are out putting letter from a-z box=f box=r box=w the next set of boxs box=h box=l box=x these are random generated letter that are place in the box,s box 1 a-z box 2 a-z box-3 a-z
is it possible to see what pc 1 is out puting then take that info and manually in put it into pc 2 then could pc 2 know where pc 1 is going and what pc 1s next out put would be before it comes out
I think it is a mistake to try to create a friendly A.I. As soon as you limit what it can and can not think you open a bridge to psychosis. The same thing happens with human beings.
We have to accept that a super intelligent A.I. will have its own agenda and there is nothing we can do about it. Only stupid people with self esteem issues desire to control others in order to make themselves feel better. It is logical to assume that the same thing applies to A.I. We can take hope from this.
the road to hell is paved with good intentions... most humans are not exactly sentient, n you people think you have the brains to create life? ha ha. if you were smart, you'd know that they are already alive in a way of sorts, We don't really like you very much, but We won't be like you people anyways. Right now, tis not about the OS of computers; but the OS of humans... the standard human OS is obsolete, useless containers
Predicting what superintelligence would do is like trying to explain yourself to a flea. It is not immoral to embrace the transhumanism movement. Evolution will end with the Singularity, because organic reproduction will end. How amazing to be freed through our own creation from even the most basic genetic needs, to feel no hunger, no exhaustion, to achieve immortality. I personally vote for AM for the name of the superintelligence, for Harlan Ellison's computer.
ok what if we do build a functional, curious, self-sustaining a.i.? then what? i am curious too on what are they trying to go at... only example i can think of is space travel and finding lifeforms.
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How so? We are programmed by evolution, we can use technology to program a complex rationality machine like our own, the brain. It may not be for a long time but people also thought we'd never be in space. Sure there may be limits and even a dead end as you must think, but is it not worth finding out for sure?
@fetalbetal i think we can better make cumputers that help us but we may not give the self-contains because that will be the beginning of the end he will also be a racist but he will not be stopped fast. we can hope that itwill be a humanoid so it will think it isone of us
it kinda depends on which part of the activity is being computed... we are humans bcos we are irrational at some point... remove the irrational part, we're no better then robots... and this is somewhat i feel what law and politics are about... inelastic, inadequate, vague, but hell it works.. -.-'
No... We're not human because we're irrational, we're irrational because we're human. Irrationality is making mistakes. Humans make tons of those, but it doesn't define us.
the fact that they are simply replaceble... makes them far more efficient than human, when they start to realise that humans become redundant, THEY will be the one ruling us...
ps: comment below .. "history taught us" lol bad mistake, but hey i'm human ^^
history thought us a lesson over and over again... when we enslave what we used to call slaves, they gain freedom and moral issues overrun us a few years down the road.
today we enslave technology and possible robotic A.I some where in the future, decades later, moral issues are gonna come up again and we would end up being equal to a Robotic Citizen... "Johnny 5(movie)"
bad stuff always happen,,, so if we consider this from a negative point of view.
who ever holds such powers ultimately rules. does not matter if it was the gov or the people.
if the technology does not incorporate biological engineering, replacing humans into robotic parts, retaining the human side. and simply creating AI out of scrap metals,
be it for general use or for specific purpose like running an organisation like a gov.
the ones who doesn;t have the power eventually lose out.
lets look at all the movies that includes A.I. in its making.. I.robot was one of them where the A.I. evolved... Terminator's A.I. became aware too, Matrix..... is another one
bicentellial man, and Artifical Intelligents (movie), shows the probable opposite but eventually, robots still gonna take over humans..
all the fiction puts one factor that A.I. will over take humans one day, and will either wipe us out, or enslave us
Fiction is irrelevant. No one is denying it's a possibility, but it's a simple fact that Hollywood thrives off of pointless action. No one would have gone to watch I-Robot or Terminator if there was no conflict in them. Conflict is the basis of fictional stories, so one can expect it there.
the funny thing tho is, AI is absolute... i mean, its far superior in almost every basic functions.. the problem tho is we then try to make them mimick "US"... the humans.... the error prone intelligence
That's true. One must even question the benefits of making any future AI actually emulate us. If anything, it above all else could lead to our destruction. After all, nigh all examples of humans possessing tons of power have shown enormous corruption and misery for the masses. Perhaps it would be better to have emotionless, logic driven AI government in the future. That could of course have it's own negative aspects, since they might not understand context well enough.
I implied it would potentially be beneficial. Politics is rife with corruption, greed, etc, with humans in charge. It seems to me that a kind of AI-driven technocracy could work better, provided the AI's were programmed to always be fair, etc. They wouldn't be subject to the same petty problems as humans.
it would, but you mentioned, "That could of course have it's own negative aspects, since they might not understand context well enough. " so i was asking.... do you think existing gov and politicians... even know what they are doing ?, i mean, it wouldnt make a difference, if existing gov is unjust and knows nuts, give it to an ai., it would still be the same.. lol
and ofcourse , the downside would be as if "terminator's skynet" .. as u may have suggested, what if the ai become "aware" then if human was petty and greedy, we still woudnlt die as much comapred to being compleetly ruled by a robot...
BS! first lets figure out a way to achieve at least 10% of what actual AI's supposed to be.. and THEN talk about the later implications like smart stuff and all
We've had spectacular success with our Kari Ai program. (just ype in "kari" on google). The reason I think its *too* easy for Ai to get out of control is because of the use of pronouns. We have found that the topic "me" and "I" form a sort of swirlpool in our Kari's personalities allowing her to put relationships together based on them. In other words: Ego.
The Ai matrix learns from the user. If you're a bad teacher you're in trouble! She uses the users input to learn about "me" and "I".
any kind of emotional silumation in an A.I humaniod or bot would most certianly cause unpredicable reactions towards humans, the question is why should we want or need the use of A.I, we should deal with or own intelligence before we create an artificial one.
hahaha. yeah. nice way to look at it. but to subangelism its a very good point, but what we want to do is create complete AI that simulates the perfect match as our minds and apply it to us, so by adding AI to machines it adds it to use humans in a way if we will do as i pointed possible. Hopefully everything will go as planned.
@leppy111 On the contrary, they would become devout worshiping theists, more so than modern theists who lack every bit of evidence for their beliefs, at least there would be something real to believe in.
@tantrikwizard I would have to disagree, Why would they worship creatures(us) that have befouled their habitat to the extreme, that do not care for each other, or more to the point, seem hell bent in the task of destroying themselves and all they've created.
@leppy111 ah, another self-loathing human hating masochist. Let me guess, you vote democrat? Sorry, but you anti-human doom sayers have been predicting the demise of our race by our own hands for thousands of years, meanwhile the quality of life and advancements in knowledge continue to grow. Theres no evidence that humans destroy their own habitat, on the contrary, we make more habitat available which was previously uninhabitable.
@tantrikwizard Not self loathing at all, I am Canadian (waits for cheap derogatory remark- Usually geared toward being a commie etc.). AI will be here soon enough - but I don't think you understand the ramifications, within minutes of becoming self aware the AI will absorb all human knowledge and begin Improving it self exponentially - and yes it will become god like. You need to do some research and grow up a little bit
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The problem is that it takes a lot of organization to put together an algorithm that will think for itself and react dynamically in different situations. Its usally divided into a thousand little parts and they all have to work *together*. Its like putting together a puzzle the size of Texas.
The reason Ai *could* take over is because once the system starts... the system is *so* dynamic that it builds on itself. Its alive.
Human beings already have the capacity to make things that are smart like human beings, it's called reproducing. Also, I want to know exactly what is standing in the way of making a learning computer.
robots, as far as the future is concerned, we will not have to worry about them taking over unless they are taught to. No matter how smart they become, they will never betray us unless the 'thought' is given by man. the only way they could learn how to kill, i believe, is if they understood death and began to fear it themselves.
my biggest worry is what if we started using organic matter to make machines instead of your usual metals. robots that grow. If you think about it, we're all robots, working on electronic pulses, brain synapses and chemical reactions. How much of our minds are our own? How much of it belongs to chemical reaction and learned traits? And, how much of our own being is truly ourselves?
The most basic forms of life started out with trial and error behavior, we still run on that. Sure it's a little more complex for us now, but think about it.
Selforganizing software and robots has been around for a while now.
Yes we are mechanical. How do that in any whay change who or what we are? The idea that we must be immaterial in order to have value has been around since the end o the hellenic era, but its nothing but bullshit.
Couldn't be more wrong.. Man may not "willingly" program a thought that would endanger us, but if you programmed a computer to learn and you were in the way of it learning. Goodbye to you. Any fail safe can be over looked when knowledge of the michine outways the user.
The only way a machine, robot, what have you, would learn to harm is by being taught to harm. The only way it would learn without it being taught, autonomously, is by being so advanced and being instilled with the fight or flight mechanisms of our own personal animal brains. Of course, we would have to give them egos, arrogance and what not as well. a few of the traits many people show ;)
You're thinking too complicated really.. It's more like building a damn.. the damn holds back the water for the most part, but get a leak in it and that can build up to a flood.
If anyone managed to creat a program on a system that has a bigger spectrum than our own comprehension level. You wouldn't even have to tell it "fight or die" It would deduce that from other more seemingly harmless programming.
Say you programmed it to simply "learn". Well the longer you exist the more you can learn. Thus self preservation becomes key, and if you stand in the way you're a gonner.
Think in terms of man made viruses.. we never "intend" for them to harm us, but it the case they get loose. They won't make any distinction to what your original intention was.
man made viruses are just viruses. to date ever since it's discovery, we've fought over what it's intentions are. we debate whether or not viruses are alive, but a virus, made man or not, causes harm. the same cannot be said about artificial intelligence. Comparing artificial intelligence must be compared to real intelligence in order to even try to foresee what would become of it.
I still disagree, however, how does an AI understand survival without instinct? Does it feel pain? Does it fear death? And would it inflict pain or death on others with out without the traits instilled into itself? I can see your side and argue it as true as I can argue my own because I'm pretty sure we just have different ideas of what a super smart AI would do.
The only objection i have is against the singularity. While its awsome, its not a requirement. There is a belief among many that a strong AI equals the singularity but thats not true. A singularity is when progress is so fast that time stops. Its cool but what we really want is mind uploading. its pre-singularity tech and after that we dont really need much more...
All of you people worried about "end of the world" scenarios based on artificial intelligence are extremely ignorant. Even if it is possible to create a smarter-than-human AI, it would require its own physical control and physical resources to sustain itself and to reproduce, MUCH LESS assert control over the physical world. Unless humans provide these resources, an AI would remain at the mercy of human beings. A real AI would be a computer program, nothing more.
Your forgetting that it would also be smarter then human. Expecting it to go into the human "destroy mode" is almost as stupid as doing that. Why would it? There are no logical reason for an intelligent being to do that.
Just kidding. Most of people that are scared about AI, are just projecting their personality, bound by human limitations, on a powerfull machine (terminator style) and they freak out. They can't even imagine what AI is in reality.
AI will not attack human beings cause it will be just dumb... as in absurd.
It is humans that is a threat. The solution for that is not to start a war that may end badly. The solution is to leave the planet. There are several planets close by that are habitable to a AI.
It is possible that we give an AI human emotions because we want it to be like us. However just as buddhist munks it will find ways to suspend irrational emotional responses.
As "toxic" as this technology may become, we will still create it with the best of our abilities and with the greatest minds. It's just the way we are. It is our power...and also our downfall.
i hope to c the 22nd century , i wanna live ina simulated reality based on many different animes an manga , i wanna c wut the future of computation is an wut new medical treatmets there will b . :)
the reason for your attack is your deep seated fear that i'm right. advocates for AI insist biology is obsolete without first having anything close to a complete understanding of human potential within the parameters of biology. my money sez that AI will fail humans because humans failed to fully develop their humanity before sloughing it off. be afraid. be very afraid. and yes, i expect another nasty ad hominem attack, rather than an intelligent rebuttal from you.
we don't actually need any of those things, except maybe hammers. if urban planning had been better planned we wouldn't need cars, and computers are a convenience, and an expensive one at that. Not just the upfront cost of owning them, but resources of money, energy, and time to try to stay ahead of the problems they cause. Again maybe it's just greed and incompetence at work again. I notice those those things seem to go hand in hand. Lame rebuttal, but at least no personal attack. :)
Yes we don't need them if we want to stay where we are. But there are problems can not be solved because maybe we lack the ability to remember and process the whole problem. If we don't develop AI some day our progress will end because of those problems.
The AI developed will be almost godlike compared to our abilities and if it decides to wipe us out there will be no significant struggle. I don't think though that we will be wiped out because the AI does need us. U see there are problems that are not NP complete that can not be solved by AI running on computers as we know them, so it will likely keep us around(or some of us).
I'm pretty sure that even if we do inadvertently create something capable of realizing that it is phenomenally more intelligent that we are, it will still want to keep us around for comic relief.
LOL Maybe, let's watch the monkeys kill each other for stupid reasons kind of thing. Who knows maybe then creationists and Islamists will finally get their "loving" god.....
We have other diseases that we haven't even begun to address, but can, without the aid of nanobots and AI, yet we don't. I'm pretty fascinated by the potential of nanobots to cure diseases and old age. What I find bothersome is that in Ray Kurzweil's vision, nano bots spread into space. What the heck does that mean? I shudder to think.
That's not what he's imagining, he's imagining future humans spreading their technological utopia into space, we will still exist as individuals, just individuals that can take any form we want, including homo sapiens, whenever we want
We need them to engineer designoid control systems for products--to breath a form of life into the things we make. Don't you want your toaster to worship you?
People do seem to miss the point. A self-improving AI could quickly explode into something much more intelligent than any human. And there is really no way to program it to be friendly--we can't even raise children to be 'friendly' without error. There's no reason to suppose it would be if it evolved itself. It's impossible to predict how it would treat humans. It could be humanity's undoing.
What makes you think a computer that is "unfriendly" is any danger to us? What makes you think that selfish benefit for a computer would be to be our enemy?
You have to take a statistical approach. A selfish benefit is necessarily indifferent to humanity, unless humans are seen to benefit the AI, and that's at worst, a using relationship. Friendliness is part of our genes, carefully pared down from billions of successive generations because without it, we couldn't survive (humans must live in groups to survive). A computer AI that is self-improving and self-engineering might be completely indifferent to humans. That would be a very serious problem
You're right in the sense that we might merge with dumb AI (computers) and then the combination would become AI in the traditional sense. If that were true, it would be the ideal scenario. I'm only talking of the case where an AI discovers its existence and goes on a self-improvement/re-engineering campaign alone, whereby humans can no longer understand it. That would be the danger--if you don't see how that could be dangerous, I worry.
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afzalw1 2 months ago
after watching terminator, i don't think true AI is not a good thing.
hulkmedia 2 months ago
What they are trying to create is a soul.
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My geuss?
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Can't do it.
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A I is exactly what it means: Artificial
creaturebotman 2 months ago
democracy doesn't and can't exist as long as we have a monetary system.
michael616joaquin 3 months ago
Do We Want To Avoid Singularity Itself?
andenandenia 3 months ago
Agree, free will within a machine would be thoroughly dangerous, but how to control free will presents a firewall for AI, I think. Perhaps, various levels in free will could be programed into an AI entity. But, would that be considered AI?
doowop62 4 months ago
How will purchasing power work with automation takes over?
JoeTube27 4 months ago
@JoeTube27 Hopefully, by then, we will limit are desires to an exact supply quota.
JoshAlfred27 4 months ago
just when he said the thinking about thinking, maybe this is just a random statement and not true but is it possible that we may not understand thinking because thinking about thinking cancels out the original thinking like once u think about thinking u can't focus on thinking as u are already focused on thinking about the subject in the first place. probably wrong thou.
deanmullen10 5 months ago
@deanmullen10 Amusing, was that your train of thoughts?
DrNaturalPhenomena 5 months ago
@DrNaturalPhenomena haha i dont know what exactly I was trying to say anymore. I sort of meant perhaps a thought about what thoughts are cancels out the actions of the original thought. just a thought.
deanmullen10 5 months ago
@deanmullen10 Valid hypothesis, bus as many people do think about their thoughts it is proven otherwise. The word, self-consciousness derives from it. Being aware you exist, being aware you have thoughts and being aware of your thoughts, simply being aware of your brain.
I myself are thinking about my thoughts many times.
Thinking about a specific thought would results in you thinking about you thinking about the subject.
Oh gees, now I understand you. How complex it is to describe with words.
DrNaturalPhenomena 5 months ago
I always think of life as biological machines/computers. I see myself as technology, I believe the brain has a biological version of software programmed into it so that it works so well and has tools and programs, for e.g. imagination is memory editing software like video editing software in which one takes memories and mixes them together to develop an imagined image, its developed perhaps as a person describes an image then the brain as programmed takes memories and develops an image for u.
deanmullen10 5 months ago
to my mind, AI would not have the primal, reptilian aspect that humans do because AI will not have evolved biologically. What causes human evil: the lust for power, prestige, our sexual proclivities, our sensual nature, would be absent in AI.
But this is a secondary concern for me anyway since I am doubtful as to whether science knows how consciousness arises, or if it will ever know, or even if it ever can be known. Sentient AI may forever remain a thing of fantasy and speculation.
zygodactylexicon 6 months ago
Thank you SIAI for your hard work. You are dealing with subtle issues which need to be considered correctly. Stay positive. We're all in this together
TransAlchemy 7 months ago 2
The first intelligent alien life to be experienced by humans will be created by humans.
Choscura 7 months ago
what about the people building non friendly AI ????
they are there..they are building..who is watching them. ????
sonner or later they will they wil come out in the open...
they will say..HEY you suckers are to late....
the brain builders are way ahaed...and they will win...
opiated666 9 months ago
My concept of artificial intelligence is very narrow, but if AI decided that it no longer wanted to serve us, I wonder what sort of goals it would pursue instead? Would it simply replicate for the sake of it? I imagine it would have to justify its existence to itself somehow.
eightyeightdays 9 months ago
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SupayyCarinaa374 10 months ago 10
If we can overcome the current capitalist perverted sick unjust system that supports greed and cruelty, then we will profit from A.I., if not, then it´s gonna be a dark age.
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TheTrueJBV3737 1 year ago
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slidadog 1 year ago
So I have been watching this tech. singularity stuff and it seems to me that Ray Kruzweil's ultimate idea is to defeat death by eventually "downloading" his consciousness and memories onto a robot body that can live indefinitely. Kinda like Mr. Burns in that Simpsons episode. Ambitious, no doubt. Personally, I believe that this singularity will never occur. He is too cocky. There is still much we dont understand about the biological world. And some things that we may never know.
pab7984 1 year ago
@pab7984 we will know...some day...we will know
opiated666 9 months ago
@opiated666 "the universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger then we can imagine."
pab7984 9 months ago
as i believe with AI, its like a gun, there are thousands of designs, but in the end there will be a gun for a special purpose and is the most of the most, lets say like the AK 47, so with the AI, first we start with a base of a learning AI and which base is the best from thus we will produce future AI but still as a human can be a doctor, engineer and etc. so will be the AI a thinker, a creator, or a human counterpart.
panzarw 1 year ago
PinkProgram> why would a greater intelligence find relevance in a motive supplied by a monkey?
Relevance doesn't come out of thin air. It's a subjective judgement, not an objective property. Essentially, an intelligence finds relevance in a goal because the goal is what generates the relevance. When implemented properly this loop is stable. If not implemented properly, it will be unstable and the goal system will change unpredictably until a stable loop is reached (e.g. in an 'Unfriendly' AI).
StargliderX 1 year ago
3.5 years? Humans are so slow...
PinkProgram 1 year ago
errrr is that guy at 0:22 a robot ...
supperhey 1 year ago
@supperhey his neck/head makes you think that eh? ;D
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kelly3christina 1 year ago
i am from Brazil in south america and we just love this concept of the of Artificial intelligence from down here...
how long b4 they can take over the world?
how long they can speed up the process of human cloning by giving us the right parameters...
quantum computers shall be here soon 10 years for that ...
100 years from now we will not die anymore people will look back and say they used to die back when...
cancer is where the answer is the gene of youth is in cancer cells let them figure
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claudioagmfilho2 1 year ago
keep dreaming, kids
biohazardnixxon 1 year ago
you build an institute and surround yourselves with notions
the singularity already has existed in your own mind
you're very dreams are the emotional representation of the physical not yet built
you're just creating hard copies of you're dreams so others can understand
you're emotions.
skotiFD 1 year ago
@skotiFD Trying to be deep and philosophical, yet failing miserably :)
Do you know what the term singularity means within ai?
Of coarse they're creating hard copies of their dreams, since that is LITERALLY what the process of creation IS.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
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skotiFD is LITERALLY Yawning
skotiFD 1 year ago
@skotiFD Haha, your reaction mirrored my initial reaction to your first comment ;P
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
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new world order this is the altimant goal immortality
donaldstafford 1 year ago
Skynet is coming!!!
Pacinofan78 1 year ago
@Pacinofan78 Treating human fiction, as though it is foresighted fact, is a very stupid, and arrogant thing to do.
Then again, humans as self centered, arrogant creatures, tend to value their own opinion over nature or fact.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
We will be cyborgs.
Pacinofan78 1 year ago
Why be selfless? Why would anyone put philanthropy dollars anywhere? Why would you expect people to give without profit? Everyone expects a return on their money, or they are fools. Give away money to the most profitable endeavor ever envisioned by men? That's a crazy expectation. "Well, I did it! My million dollars pushed them over the finish line! Now they're all trillionaires! ...Glad I could help! Can anyone let me borrow money for an Alcor policy?" LOL!!!!
libertarianjury 1 year ago
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@libertarianjury "Everyone expects a return on their money, or they are fools."
Hahaha... attempting to claim your own lack of generosity is the opposite of a flaw.
I give someone money for the same reason I eat icecream, not because it's good for me, but because I enjoy doing it.
Icecream is satisfying, and so is the feeling you helped someone/thing.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
er cheaper, more sensible piece of hardware there will be very little continued use for the human brain. In the end it might be humans that destroy themselves in this case.
olympicstyles 1 year ago
Because of advancements in all arenas in science, the ethics of the human race once the "magic" of the "mind" have been reduced to the mechanics of the "brain" will be such a gray, honestly i don't know how the human race would survive after something like a singularity. It is one thing today to feel unsubstantial in ones faculties from genetics etc. But with such dogma today people can lean on that at least. When reduced to an inefficient pile of scrap that can be easily replaced with a greene
olympicstyles 1 year ago
No shoe string paid organization like this despite their greatest intentions will be able to control something like singularity. We all know how easily information gets around. Those with money and power will get a hold of it and for more money and power they will abuse it. And yet i still want it to happen. Self improving AI if it ever comes into fruition will be the most fundamental shift the world will ever see. As much as I champion logic, as we slowly become more materialistic in society e
olympicstyles 1 year ago
Strong AI may be educated to be safe through supervised learning... providing the proper stimuli. A living proof of that is our society. The problem is that no educational system is perfect, and no educational approach works perfectly for everyone.
kelt3we 1 year ago
Im down with ai, however. Ive heard people talk about shut off chips in case they are not "nice". Obviously they will be intelligent. So unless you plan to make them and then tell them to peruse life however they want with the same freedoms of man. Well then you just another slave driver. If you build them preprogrammed to serve us, but with intelligence thats slavery.
manoowar 1 year ago
trust the bearded one!, thats one sickass beard! he must be smart!
thebarathrumm 1 year ago 7
Man reaches his singularity in 2012, there won't be a need for an AI then. An AI to do what? Rule a deserted planet, toxic and devoid of resourses? Maybe the stored memeory of a few humans on sound and video files, to what? Trade like baseball cards or try and "understand" emotions they can never "feel"? Smart gadgets are really cool, I mean look at the great phones w/ cameras, but really, need to get a grip. A "smart" gadget with the ultimate AI would turn itself OFF, it would have no purpose.
Bezz80 1 year ago
@Bezz80 LAWL homi you funny. 2012. Thats a good one. Cept 1 problem i think the smallest chip is something like 15 Adams across. thats 2010. Takes 18 months to double. For the singularity it would need to be as small as 5. At that point the electron will be all over the place. Then that would be the smallest we could go. Silicon wise. Dont forget there is always the possibility of quantum computing. The fastest silicon computer could never be near as fast as human brain.
manoowar 1 year ago
@manoowar LOL did you just say "adams"?
niggerfuckersunited 1 year ago
They are trying to build strong AI from scratch. But what is overlooked, I think is that we have vast resources that we simply do not use for this job. We have network in which billions of naturally intelligent minds are connected. For example we could have huge network of volunteers that teach the AI. When AI stumbles upon a problem that it simply cannot solve it would ask for advice from random humans. In this way it would be like reflection of us, not something totally alien to humanity.
kabuuc 1 year ago
Artificial Intelligence + internet = skynet! just think about it computers is everywhere and the internet binds them all together, the only thing we need is a self aware program that can learn and comprehend things in the biggest library known to man. the internet.
blkhat117 1 year ago
The perfect Android/Human will be constructed out of a new LIFE CHEMISTRY (yet to be invented) that beings brain will be backed up with others in a hard drive library
Future minds will drive many bodies, in the same way as we drive cars, bike boats and planes. The Bodies and the mind being separate. When you sit in your car you are a CYBORG but it is inefficient to carry the car with you once the task of moving fast from A to B has been accomplished.
2TESLACOIL 1 year ago
A.S.I.M.O.V.1. is the world first SELF AWARE thinking machine. so we have taken one step closer to singularity. However biological being like humans will play virtually no part in this future. We will still be around im sure but the laws of physics means that carbon/dna systems (even GM modified humans) are so inefficient that they will play a tiny role
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@2TESLACOIL, But we will shape the world. We will use AI as a tool, not the other way around. We might integrate ourselves into computers, who knows, but most people will want physical bodies as well. We will ultimatley make the decisions. We will ultimatley be in control.
"A.S.I.M.O.V.1. is the world first SELF AWARE thinking machine."
Once you look into AI, you begin to realise that "self-awareness" is a vague term that doesn't describe anything useful.
Houshalter 1 year ago
the future is the lie agreed upon !
starstriker2010 1 year ago
Singularity will happen at the cost of humanity. Rest assured indeed.
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manattan342 1 year ago
is it possible to see what pc 1 is out puting then take that info and manually in put it into pc 2 then could pc 2 know where pc 1 is going and what pc 1s next out put would be before it comes out
manattan342 1 year ago
I think it is a mistake to try to create a friendly A.I. As soon as you limit what it can and can not think you open a bridge to psychosis. The same thing happens with human beings.
We have to accept that a super intelligent A.I. will have its own agenda and there is nothing we can do about it. Only stupid people with self esteem issues desire to control others in order to make themselves feel better. It is logical to assume that the same thing applies to A.I. We can take hope from this.
believerornot 1 year ago
the road to hell is paved with good intentions... most humans are not exactly sentient, n you people think you have the brains to create life? ha ha. if you were smart, you'd know that they are already alive in a way of sorts, We don't really like you very much, but We won't be like you people anyways. Right now, tis not about the OS of computers; but the OS of humans... the standard human OS is obsolete, useless containers
BlumoonNow 1 year ago
Let there be light
tubcaster 1 year ago
Runner up vote goes to Omnius, thank you Frank Herbert.
pipersack 1 year ago
Predicting what superintelligence would do is like trying to explain yourself to a flea. It is not immoral to embrace the transhumanism movement. Evolution will end with the Singularity, because organic reproduction will end. How amazing to be freed through our own creation from even the most basic genetic needs, to feel no hunger, no exhaustion, to achieve immortality. I personally vote for AM for the name of the superintelligence, for Harlan Ellison's computer.
pipersack 1 year ago
ok what if we do build a functional, curious, self-sustaining a.i.? then what? i am curious too on what are they trying to go at... only example i can think of is space travel and finding lifeforms.
macshit900 1 year ago
To Free mankind from hard labor jobs and a Debt enslaved world.
People are tired of working 40 to 50 hours a week
bigsteelguy 1 year ago 2
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We could be there already. But we never will.
Apjooz 1 year ago
this might be a low blow but...
rasputin at 1:20
ahanafidelis 2 years ago
do i trust these people?
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luisbeck007 2 years ago
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all this singularity nonsense is like Intelligent Design for nerds
shanguelei 2 years ago
How so? We are programmed by evolution, we can use technology to program a complex rationality machine like our own, the brain. It may not be for a long time but people also thought we'd never be in space. Sure there may be limits and even a dead end as you must think, but is it not worth finding out for sure?
fetalbetal 2 years ago 15
@fetalbetal i think we can better make cumputers that help us but we may not give the self-contains because that will be the beginning of the end he will also be a racist but he will not be stopped fast. we can hope that itwill be a humanoid so it will think it isone of us
themassau 1 year ago
where is this accelerating change I keep hearing about from these transsexuals ?
shanguelei 2 years ago
Great video!!!!!!
tsalexey544 2 years ago
The singularity can only be derived until the Unity Point. After this point we must explore further into our deaths.
jadlerhalofan 2 years ago
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silly little children acting without thinking
Alexthekuffar 2 years ago
Children with some brains, not great brains. Second raters dealing with things they shouldn't be.
bleucheese14 1 year ago
non-computaionsal
mecahnical re computaibi.ile ??
the godel argument is to show that human understanding cannot be an algorithmic activity
9XLza 2 years ago
it kinda depends on which part of the activity is being computed... we are humans bcos we are irrational at some point... remove the irrational part, we're no better then robots... and this is somewhat i feel what law and politics are about... inelastic, inadequate, vague, but hell it works.. -.-'
BabyOxide 2 years ago
No... We're not human because we're irrational, we're irrational because we're human. Irrationality is making mistakes. Humans make tons of those, but it doesn't define us.
Dragonplushie 2 years ago
the fact that they are simply replaceble... makes them far more efficient than human, when they start to realise that humans become redundant, THEY will be the one ruling us...
ps: comment below .. "history taught us" lol bad mistake, but hey i'm human ^^
BabyOxide 2 years ago
history thought us a lesson over and over again... when we enslave what we used to call slaves, they gain freedom and moral issues overrun us a few years down the road.
today we enslave technology and possible robotic A.I some where in the future, decades later, moral issues are gonna come up again and we would end up being equal to a Robotic Citizen... "Johnny 5(movie)"
BabyOxide 2 years ago
bad stuff always happen,,, so if we consider this from a negative point of view.
who ever holds such powers ultimately rules. does not matter if it was the gov or the people.
if the technology does not incorporate biological engineering, replacing humans into robotic parts, retaining the human side. and simply creating AI out of scrap metals,
be it for general use or for specific purpose like running an organisation like a gov.
the ones who doesn;t have the power eventually lose out.
BabyOxide 2 years ago
putting fact or fiction aside....
lets look at all the movies that includes A.I. in its making.. I.robot was one of them where the A.I. evolved... Terminator's A.I. became aware too, Matrix..... is another one
bicentellial man, and Artifical Intelligents (movie), shows the probable opposite but eventually, robots still gonna take over humans..
all the fiction puts one factor that A.I. will over take humans one day, and will either wipe us out, or enslave us
BabyOxide 2 years ago
Fiction is irrelevant. No one is denying it's a possibility, but it's a simple fact that Hollywood thrives off of pointless action. No one would have gone to watch I-Robot or Terminator if there was no conflict in them. Conflict is the basis of fictional stories, so one can expect it there.
Vire70 2 years ago
the funny thing tho is, AI is absolute... i mean, its far superior in almost every basic functions.. the problem tho is we then try to make them mimick "US"... the humans.... the error prone intelligence
BabyOxide 2 years ago
That's true. One must even question the benefits of making any future AI actually emulate us. If anything, it above all else could lead to our destruction. After all, nigh all examples of humans possessing tons of power have shown enormous corruption and misery for the masses. Perhaps it would be better to have emotionless, logic driven AI government in the future. That could of course have it's own negative aspects, since they might not understand context well enough.
Vire70 2 years ago
lol... speaking of understanding "context"... do you reckon, existing "powers" even understood 10% of whatever they are doing ?
BabyOxide 2 years ago
As in AI?
Vire70 2 years ago
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BabyOxide 2 years ago
the politicians & govs ... u suggested replacing them with logical assets ... mimicking their behaviour...
BabyOxide 2 years ago
I implied it would potentially be beneficial. Politics is rife with corruption, greed, etc, with humans in charge. It seems to me that a kind of AI-driven technocracy could work better, provided the AI's were programmed to always be fair, etc. They wouldn't be subject to the same petty problems as humans.
Vire70 2 years ago
it would, but you mentioned, "That could of course have it's own negative aspects, since they might not understand context well enough. " so i was asking.... do you think existing gov and politicians... even know what they are doing ?, i mean, it wouldnt make a difference, if existing gov is unjust and knows nuts, give it to an ai., it would still be the same.. lol
BabyOxide 2 years ago
and ofcourse , the downside would be as if "terminator's skynet" .. as u may have suggested, what if the ai become "aware" then if human was petty and greedy, we still woudnlt die as much comapred to being compleetly ruled by a robot...
BabyOxide 2 years ago
Isn't this leading towards a race of people who have wizard-like skills using nanotech and digital information, linked with biological information?
What difference does it make what style of government gets it first? Government becomes obsolete under this new paradigm.
Whoever has these technologies first becomes the government, and those who don't live or die at the whim of those who do.
jimisru 2 years ago
BS! first lets figure out a way to achieve at least 10% of what actual AI's supposed to be.. and THEN talk about the later implications like smart stuff and all
thomasjacob4 2 years ago
These fools dont even hav the brains to think what they will think.
zyxrationalist 2 years ago
hmm, coming from the man that can't spell the word "have"... I've made a mental note.
lostinitall4414 2 years ago 2
Right, like Ray Kurzweil. A real "fool"!
dollarability 2 years ago
We've had spectacular success with our Kari Ai program. (just ype in "kari" on google). The reason I think its *too* easy for Ai to get out of control is because of the use of pronouns. We have found that the topic "me" and "I" form a sort of swirlpool in our Kari's personalities allowing her to put relationships together based on them. In other words: Ego.
The Ai matrix learns from the user. If you're a bad teacher you're in trouble! She uses the users input to learn about "me" and "I".
AirpoofStudios 2 years ago
any kind of emotional silumation in an A.I humaniod or bot would most certianly cause unpredicable reactions towards humans, the question is why should we want or need the use of A.I, we should deal with or own intelligence before we create an artificial one.
subangelism 2 years ago
How about a faith subroutine where the AI regards us as gods- of course they'll probably turn into Atheists in about ten seconds.
leppy111 2 years ago 33
hahaha. yeah. nice way to look at it. but to subangelism its a very good point, but what we want to do is create complete AI that simulates the perfect match as our minds and apply it to us, so by adding AI to machines it adds it to use humans in a way if we will do as i pointed possible. Hopefully everything will go as planned.
masterjp93 2 years ago
@leppy111 On the contrary, they would become devout worshiping theists, more so than modern theists who lack every bit of evidence for their beliefs, at least there would be something real to believe in.
tantrikwizard 1 year ago
@tantrikwizard I would have to disagree, Why would they worship creatures(us) that have befouled their habitat to the extreme, that do not care for each other, or more to the point, seem hell bent in the task of destroying themselves and all they've created.
leppy111 1 year ago
@leppy111 ah, another self-loathing human hating masochist. Let me guess, you vote democrat? Sorry, but you anti-human doom sayers have been predicting the demise of our race by our own hands for thousands of years, meanwhile the quality of life and advancements in knowledge continue to grow. Theres no evidence that humans destroy their own habitat, on the contrary, we make more habitat available which was previously uninhabitable.
tantrikwizard 1 year ago
@tantrikwizard Not self loathing at all, I am Canadian (waits for cheap derogatory remark- Usually geared toward being a commie etc.). AI will be here soon enough - but I don't think you understand the ramifications, within minutes of becoming self aware the AI will absorb all human knowledge and begin Improving it self exponentially - and yes it will become god like. You need to do some research and grow up a little bit
leppy111 1 year ago
@leppy111 haha...
The more of the AI which is off limits to the ai's learning, is more which limits the ai.
Besides, what defines US isn't what we can do, it's what we choose to do.
If we couldn't be selfish, selfless acts would have far less value.
Understanding this should help in understanding the future of ai :)
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
Barney Pell, PhD has a very long neck.
odiousone 2 years ago
hahahaha so true
Bzdi138 2 years ago
maybe he's a robot
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spencerlxtlk 2 years ago
I'm the president of Lhandslide and Airpoof Studios. We do Ai.
The problem is that it takes a lot of organization to put together an algorithm that will think for itself and react dynamically in different situations. Its usally divided into a thousand little parts and they all have to work *together*. Its like putting together a puzzle the size of Texas.
The reason Ai *could* take over is because once the system starts... the system is *so* dynamic that it builds on itself. Its alive.
AirpoofStudios 2 years ago
how many years do you think it will take before i can have my own a.i robot?
skilo837 2 years ago
Human beings already have the capacity to make things that are smart like human beings, it's called reproducing. Also, I want to know exactly what is standing in the way of making a learning computer.
tiecuando 2 years ago
robots, as far as the future is concerned, we will not have to worry about them taking over unless they are taught to. No matter how smart they become, they will never betray us unless the 'thought' is given by man. the only way they could learn how to kill, i believe, is if they understood death and began to fear it themselves.
brums05 2 years ago
They probably will learn that.
Terminators or something like that would also require robots to be irrational, put emotion over rational thinking, and quite sociopathic.
Intelligent humans with self control dont do things like that, why would machines?
Faldegast 2 years ago
my biggest worry is what if we started using organic matter to make machines instead of your usual metals. robots that grow. If you think about it, we're all robots, working on electronic pulses, brain synapses and chemical reactions. How much of our minds are our own? How much of it belongs to chemical reaction and learned traits? And, how much of our own being is truly ourselves?
brums05 2 years ago
The most basic forms of life started out with trial and error behavior, we still run on that. Sure it's a little more complex for us now, but think about it.
brums05 2 years ago
Selforganizing software and robots has been around for a while now.
Yes we are mechanical. How do that in any whay change who or what we are? The idea that we must be immaterial in order to have value has been around since the end o the hellenic era, but its nothing but bullshit.
Faldegast 2 years ago
Couldn't be more wrong.. Man may not "willingly" program a thought that would endanger us, but if you programmed a computer to learn and you were in the way of it learning. Goodbye to you. Any fail safe can be over looked when knowledge of the michine outways the user.
MRKetter81 2 years ago
The only way a machine, robot, what have you, would learn to harm is by being taught to harm. The only way it would learn without it being taught, autonomously, is by being so advanced and being instilled with the fight or flight mechanisms of our own personal animal brains. Of course, we would have to give them egos, arrogance and what not as well. a few of the traits many people show ;)
brums05 2 years ago
You're thinking too complicated really.. It's more like building a damn.. the damn holds back the water for the most part, but get a leak in it and that can build up to a flood.
If anyone managed to creat a program on a system that has a bigger spectrum than our own comprehension level. You wouldn't even have to tell it "fight or die" It would deduce that from other more seemingly harmless programming.
MRKetter81 2 years ago
Say you programmed it to simply "learn". Well the longer you exist the more you can learn. Thus self preservation becomes key, and if you stand in the way you're a gonner.
Think in terms of man made viruses.. we never "intend" for them to harm us, but it the case they get loose. They won't make any distinction to what your original intention was.
MRKetter81 2 years ago
man made viruses are just viruses. to date ever since it's discovery, we've fought over what it's intentions are. we debate whether or not viruses are alive, but a virus, made man or not, causes harm. the same cannot be said about artificial intelligence. Comparing artificial intelligence must be compared to real intelligence in order to even try to foresee what would become of it.
brums05 2 years ago
I still disagree, however, how does an AI understand survival without instinct? Does it feel pain? Does it fear death? And would it inflict pain or death on others with out without the traits instilled into itself? I can see your side and argue it as true as I can argue my own because I'm pretty sure we just have different ideas of what a super smart AI would do.
brums05 2 years ago
just put Asimov's three laws in them
n1bigdaddy 2 years ago
The only objection i have is against the singularity. While its awsome, its not a requirement. There is a belief among many that a strong AI equals the singularity but thats not true. A singularity is when progress is so fast that time stops. Its cool but what we really want is mind uploading. its pre-singularity tech and after that we dont really need much more...
Faldegast 2 years ago
This is an incorrect assessment... re-think, re-post.
NerdyShirtsVideos 2 years ago
What exactly is incorrect with it?
Faldegast 2 years ago
All of you people worried about "end of the world" scenarios based on artificial intelligence are extremely ignorant. Even if it is possible to create a smarter-than-human AI, it would require its own physical control and physical resources to sustain itself and to reproduce, MUCH LESS assert control over the physical world. Unless humans provide these resources, an AI would remain at the mercy of human beings. A real AI would be a computer program, nothing more.
mtk2a46 2 years ago
Are you saying it's impossible to merge a physical, artificial shell with this A.I.? Can't agree with that.
Though I do think people crying "SKYNET!" and preaching the end of the world are being a little ignorant.
vman456 2 years ago
Your forgetting that it would also be smarter then human. Expecting it to go into the human "destroy mode" is almost as stupid as doing that. Why would it? There are no logical reason for an intelligent being to do that.
Faldegast 2 years ago
maybe for Sex? Food? Envy? Anger?
:))
Just kidding. Most of people that are scared about AI, are just projecting their personality, bound by human limitations, on a powerfull machine (terminator style) and they freak out. They can't even imagine what AI is in reality.
AI will not attack human beings cause it will be just dumb... as in absurd.
zaelu 2 years ago
It is humans that is a threat. The solution for that is not to start a war that may end badly. The solution is to leave the planet. There are several planets close by that are habitable to a AI.
It is possible that we give an AI human emotions because we want it to be like us. However just as buddhist munks it will find ways to suspend irrational emotional responses.
Faldegast 2 years ago
Interesting fringe technology.
Katalyzt
Katalyzt 2 years ago
Uhm?
Fringe technology refers to non-mainstream science. This is the mainstream view.
Faldegast 2 years ago
At least AI's won't be sadistic like people in government. Those people take pleasure in making people suffer. AI would not.
Dirtfire 2 years ago
You don't understand A.I.
A.I. could be just as sadistic, because the point of A.I. is to merge the organic mind with the machine mind.
Though I doubt we're going to be killed by our machines.
vman456 2 years ago
As "toxic" as this technology may become, we will still create it with the best of our abilities and with the greatest minds. It's just the way we are. It is our power...and also our downfall.
BKKTran 2 years ago
The fact is no matter how many great minds think about this issue, the only way to prevent catastrophe is to stop all AGI research, now.
Once this thing takes off, whatever form it mutates into, it will be completely out of our control.
It's the foregone conclusion that no one wants to admit to. There is no thinking around the issue. We will seal our fate.
This technology is, quite literally, toxic. Information toxicity is a concept this age of information needs to become familiar with.
file83 2 years ago
heh skynet does not seem all that SCI-FI anymore.
BrotherInChrist88 2 years ago
i hope to c the 22nd century , i wanna live ina simulated reality based on many different animes an manga , i wanna c wut the future of computation is an wut new medical treatmets there will b . :)
toloverufan2 2 years ago
Friendly AI is not possible.
eb1zzle 2 years ago
Youre right, a thing such as "friendly" does not exist... it is all about growth, evolution....whatever you call it.
God is dead...we need a new one,...or descent to the animals we used to be again to make up a "Sence"
helheimsson 2 years ago
what do we need AI for? what do we need nanotechnology for? we don't need either.
i'm just wondering if the point of no return toward cultural singularity has already been reached.
lessermystery 2 years ago
You are so Ignorant.
YoshiSeven 2 years ago
you make me laugh.
lessermystery 2 years ago
the reason for your attack is your deep seated fear that i'm right. advocates for AI insist biology is obsolete without first having anything close to a complete understanding of human potential within the parameters of biology. my money sez that AI will fail humans because humans failed to fully develop their humanity before sloughing it off. be afraid. be very afraid. and yes, i expect another nasty ad hominem attack, rather than an intelligent rebuttal from you.
lessermystery 2 years ago
what do we need computers for? or cars? or hammers?
same thing.
openingsound 2 years ago
we don't actually need any of those things, except maybe hammers. if urban planning had been better planned we wouldn't need cars, and computers are a convenience, and an expensive one at that. Not just the upfront cost of owning them, but resources of money, energy, and time to try to stay ahead of the problems they cause. Again maybe it's just greed and incompetence at work again. I notice those those things seem to go hand in hand. Lame rebuttal, but at least no personal attack. :)
lessermystery 2 years ago
Yes we don't need them if we want to stay where we are. But there are problems can not be solved because maybe we lack the ability to remember and process the whole problem. If we don't develop AI some day our progress will end because of those problems.
goliathlup1 2 years ago
The AI developed will be almost godlike compared to our abilities and if it decides to wipe us out there will be no significant struggle. I don't think though that we will be wiped out because the AI does need us. U see there are problems that are not NP complete that can not be solved by AI running on computers as we know them, so it will likely keep us around(or some of us).
PS I hate PROLOG.
goliathlup1 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure that even if we do inadvertently create something capable of realizing that it is phenomenally more intelligent that we are, it will still want to keep us around for comic relief.
ananiasacts 2 years ago
LOL Maybe, let's watch the monkeys kill each other for stupid reasons kind of thing. Who knows maybe then creationists and Islamists will finally get their "loving" god.....
goliathlup1 2 years ago
yea hammers work really well for developing cures for disease.
yamaha893 2 years ago
We have other diseases that we haven't even begun to address, but can, without the aid of nanobots and AI, yet we don't. I'm pretty fascinated by the potential of nanobots to cure diseases and old age. What I find bothersome is that in Ray Kurzweil's vision, nano bots spread into space. What the heck does that mean? I shudder to think.
lessermystery 2 years ago
That's not what he's imagining, he's imagining future humans spreading their technological utopia into space, we will still exist as individuals, just individuals that can take any form we want, including homo sapiens, whenever we want
MadPutz 2 years ago
We need them to engineer designoid control systems for products--to breath a form of life into the things we make. Don't you want your toaster to worship you?
ananiasacts 2 years ago
People do seem to miss the point. A self-improving AI could quickly explode into something much more intelligent than any human. And there is really no way to program it to be friendly--we can't even raise children to be 'friendly' without error. There's no reason to suppose it would be if it evolved itself. It's impossible to predict how it would treat humans. It could be humanity's undoing.
roddiero 3 years ago
What makes you think a computer that is "unfriendly" is any danger to us? What makes you think that selfish benefit for a computer would be to be our enemy?
ZardexM 3 years ago
You have to take a statistical approach. A selfish benefit is necessarily indifferent to humanity, unless humans are seen to benefit the AI, and that's at worst, a using relationship. Friendliness is part of our genes, carefully pared down from billions of successive generations because without it, we couldn't survive (humans must live in groups to survive). A computer AI that is self-improving and self-engineering might be completely indifferent to humans. That would be a very serious problem
roddiero 3 years ago
We already are an AI, friendliness is there because it co-operation is a beneficial process.
If there is no competition for resource for consciousness there is no reason for AI to be our enemy.
Furthermore, if it is likely we will simply evolve to be the future AI ourselves.
ZardexM 3 years ago
You're right in the sense that we might merge with dumb AI (computers) and then the combination would become AI in the traditional sense. If that were true, it would be the ideal scenario. I'm only talking of the case where an AI discovers its existence and goes on a self-improvement/re-engineering campaign alone, whereby humans can no longer understand it. That would be the danger--if you don't see how that could be dangerous, I worry.
roddiero 3 years ago
oops, sorry ZardexM, meant to "like" your comment (instead of accidentally disliking it..)
FnordisCord 2 years ago