You don't want to choose Christianity because you think someone was 'defeated' in a verbal match. Or because one religion appears to appeal to the limits of human logic versus the other, that's fine.
But I can't recall Human Rights and the UN getting involved a recent beheading or stoning because of Jesus....
I wish God open Mr. Deedat's spiritual eyes to see where his dead & departed muslim friends are! He will run & turn to Jesus Christ very quickly & wonder why he said all the garbage he previously said!
@swiftspy If for Jesus Christ am I a Christian, let me be a shame then. The orthodox "christians" that kill are actually satanic to the core, using the "Name of Christ" to perform their dastard deeds. Furthermore, Jesus Himself also spoke about dead men (e.g. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the rich man, Lazarus, even hell etc, etc), when proving a point & also in parables. So what are you talking about? You are satan? Hi satan! how far with your clever NWO agenda? Jesus is the only way to eternal life.
@7olusegun : The only one who have agendas are those who want to erase ANY religion. I don't care about orthodox chritians as they are wrong. Yes Jesus will come back and testifies of your twisting of his teachings, making him a God amongst humans. Instead of attacking muslims you should realize that we are more related in faith than the jews. Read your bible and realize that man is saved throught his own actions. It was, it is and will always be the case. You are following Paulisnism not Jesus.
@swiftspy Wether I follow Paul or Jesus, thou knowest. Even Paul says he is a follower of Jesus. Did Jesus not say (to a rich man) that things with men are impossible but with God all things are possible (in relation to salvation)? The rich man obeyed 'all' the laws from his youth to adulthood, but Jesus said it is hard for that man to be saved. I ain't attacking muslims but saying the truth. Tell me what I said earlier was a twisting of Jesus' teachings. Let me know. Accepting Jesus as your....
@swiftspy ..(cont'd).. Lord & Savior is just all the 'work' it takes to be saved from eternal destruction. If you wanna claim allah sent Jesus into the world, how come what Jesus preached/taught was totally different from what your allah god taught & also why are muslims & Christians arch enemies? Is God an author of confusion? How are you more related to faith than the Jews? In Islamic Justification? Hahaha!! I tell you the truth, anyone not saved in Jesus who dies, all will go to hell forever.
@7olusegun : I don't see anything in faith that oppose Islam and Christianity but the trinity. One God in the old and the new testament. Paul created trinity. If you want to believe in a pagan tale, you are welcome to do so. I feel confortable with "Allah" wich is probably the word used by Jesus to talk about God.There no sense in punishing human because of Adam sin. You are deluded and many never received any spirit and died without knowing God. Islam is simple and bring you back to ONE GOD.
@swiftspy Nope! Paul ain't create 'trinity'. The concept of the 'Holy Trnity' can be foud in the bible & was mentioned by Jesus Christ Himself (Mat. 28:19), not Paul. The word "one" can be used either in the singular or plural. The latter usually as a 'collective' of individuals working in unison, in one perfect accord. E.g. God said "the people is ONE" (Gen.11:6). So God is being (collective) "ONE" (Gen.1:26, 11:7), consisting of 3 distinct individuals working in perfect unison. So think well.
@swiftspy If you're claiming your allah sent Jesus to Earth to teach about him, then you're very most highly deluded ignorant. Why then are muslims & (biblical) christians arch enemies like I said earlier? Answer me. The bible says the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23). Why then do babies die (even in utero) when they have not committed any physical iniquities/sins? Is it not b'cos they inadvertently inherited the sins of Adam & Eve in their genes that brought imperfections, disease & death?....
@swiftspy If you're claiming your allah sent Jesus to Earth to teach about him, then you're very most highly deluded ignorant. Why then are muslims & (biblical) christians arch enemies like I said earlier? Answer me. The bible says the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23). Why then do babies die (even in utero) when they have not committed any physical iniquities/sins? Is it not b'cos they inadvertently inherited the sins of Adam & Eve in their genes that brought imperfections, disease & death?....
@swiftspy Jesus always use the Word my "Father" when He was referring to God the Father. He never once said or imply allah to be his father so stop your presumption. In fact, is it not your god allah that forbids his followers calling him "father" (despite claiming to be a loving & benevolent being)? What kind of a god is that? Why do 'very good' people die? Why do humans of all ages die? What bad deeds have they done to warrant death? Answer me all these. Islam will take you to hell if you die.
@7olusegun : @7olusegun : Fathers and sons are to be found "by the tons" in the bible. They have a spiritual meaning, unlless the context shows you differently. Your duty is to learn original language of the scriptures and then read some parts of the bible WITHOUT translation. Don't bother as to show me that Allah is not the only one God. He is the God of Abraham and is unique as it is for jews. Paul has deceived Jesus(pbuh) and you are following him blindly. Jesus never talked in english :-).
@swiftspy Perhaps, it is your own duty to go research thoroughly who allah really is & whether or not he is the god of Abraham, without using your koran. Many of the biblical scriptures had been verified by historical, archaeologic & scientific evidences, including its prophecies from extra-biblical sources like Josephus etc. Its scriptures had been thoroughly scrutinized from the Greek, Aramaic & Hebrew texts. Daring prophecies had been fulfilled 100% correctly. Can that be said of your koran?
@7olusegun : You want the truth, go back to the essence of Jesus: he was a jew, living in a roman conquered city and spoke aramaic (most certainely). Watch Mel Gibson movie without english subtiles, you'll understand nothing. Now, I watched it and as a muslim knowing arabic, I can put many words and sometimes phrases in context: in other words I understood and "feel" it more than any westerner claiming that he has the truth. I will stick to ONE God, try to "save" others. I end here. Peace.
Matthew 16:21 - From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and teachers of the law, and that he must be KILLED and on the third day be RAISED to life.
Matthew 16:21 - From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and teachers of the law, and that he must be KILLED and on the third day be RAISED to life.
you people did a great job who ever made this video may Allah bless upon u all.. to Ahmed Deedat, you are my Champion...Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh...
@FreedomFighterReturn not just that even if you give douglas the benefit of the doubt, ok he got friday, he got friday night, he got Saturday, he got Saturday night and he got sunday, your still short 1 night there's no way around it
embrace the sufi way of life, die before yu die, and come on over to the "otherside" to dizcover from direct experience yurselvez what iz true or remain living a lie for truth iz death, and sure iz the death of that which iz true/forever, death of the human spirit, and the mune waz split in 2 </3 thank yu and goodnite
Matthew 7[23] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
the name "Jesus christ" translatez into hebrew/arabic az imposter/false-christ ie. anti-christ for there is no letter "J" in the hebew alef-bet, and [anti]christ-maitreya shall betreya'll
who ever said anthing about "Esa"!? the one i am speaking about iz khrizt-maitreya aka the false-khrizt translated Jasoos/JEsus chrizt... the chriztianz got their religion hijacked long ago, yu should know that since Islam waz introduced to shun all abomination
Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Quran, then write it in the dialect of Quraish as the Quran was revealed in their tongue.' They did so, and when they had written many copies, Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Quranic materials whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burned
Well well, some of the language from our Islamic friends certainly would make Muhammed proud, "if they dont agree with you then slander them till there are no more" It also seems a very weak argument to say that the Quran hasnt been touched by huamn hands, i suggest you read the historical facts regarding this. They even burnt copies,
So now it is up to you to judge the worth of another human. It's nice to meet you God. I always thought I'd meet you after death but who knew... I'd find you on youtube.
You're arrogance and condescension are telling of your true nature.
Present ANY argument of Deedat's and I will refute it here and now.
Yeah i know ure type. Bible thumpers that just keep on quoting bullshit passages from the bible thinking that they make sense. As long as the Bible has been touched by MAN there is NO WAY u can use it to support any of ure claims or arguments. Any book filled with contradictions and abosolute non sense is rubbish. So dont Salaam me u hell bound son of a whore!!!!!!!!
Listen asshole, The Qur'an hasnt been changed since it was revealed to Muhammad (PBUH). Your Bible on the other hand has so many different versions with things added in, taken out as fabrications, incest in the bible, trinity was removed, ascension of Jesus was removed. It has been ALTERED by Man. Qur'an hasn't
Hahahahha ure the one the started talkin to me i never talked to u. I made a comment and u started a discussion. Your the only one posting bullshit here coz u know that Deedat owned every1 christian scholar he debated. Moses was the way truth and the life during his time, so was Muhammad u ignorant fool. What u are quoting is not God's word, its Man's word. Your ass is burning coz u know in your heart that Christinanity has crumbled to bits and pieces.
Hahahahahah one of u moron Christians spotted Jesus on their iron today ahahahahahaha fuckin douche bags that ya'll are. Christianity is a bigger fraud than Bernie Madoff u dumbass. Open your eyes to the truth and embrace Islam.
ANYONE, I challenge you, post me the BEST of Deedat's arguments. Post me your FAVORITE argument from Deedat and I will thoroughly and completely refute it to the point that you have nothing left to argue.
ESPECIALLY anything related to the crucifixion which the Qur'an is absolutely wrong in.
If you answer Y to all 4 of these questions then read 2 Thes 2:11 and we find that god will decieve the wicked, therefore it is quite possible that the WICKED jews were decieved, and how do we come to that conclusion? well simple if you look at the question 2, we know that there is no practice of putting herbs on the dead so the deciple most definatelyl had to see life in jesus do do that also we know Jesus asked god to "take this cup away from me" so there is the proof from your bible.
PS. if i dont answer your response please send me a PM and remind me, i am busy these days as we have a new addition to my family who is taking most of my time
YO! CONGRATS BUD! That's to awesome! Children are such a blessing. My two are just....well... everything to me. There goodness and gentleness have taught me so much.
I know you are grabbing at straws but lets look at it.
#1 - The Romans did not want to kill jesus but the Jews did. it is clear they are the ones who took him to pilate, even your bible says pilate says he finds nothing evil of this man if i recall properly. so no it was not the romans that wanted to kill him but the jews.
#2 - Can you please provide evidence of the jews applying herbs on the dead because i would be interested in this knowledge, since i dont know of any jew, christian or muslim who all bury in the same manner that puts herbs on the dead.
Your record of Josephus says "at the funeral" not 3 days after the dead is in the grave.
so please provide me with some of those scores of evidence that after aperson is buried the jews applied herb to the dead.
#4 - Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
Matthew and Luke also have the same wording, but conviniently you avoided the question is it not true god gave jesus what ever he wanted.
Also to add to this you believe that Jesus is god, can god deny himself something? I agree god can deny a mere man something but here you are preaching to us that jesus is god, yet god denys himself a request from himself. your mordern day english statement would be proof of jesus not being god as the father is god because it shows a disunity in purpose.
You said the law of god requires sacrifice, i know i asked you this yesterday but ofcourse i dont remember which vid it was so i ask again, if someone does the sacrifice but does not repent, or vice versa someone repents and does not do the sacrifice who would god forgive, i say a just god would forgive the latter, which is proof that sacrifice is not required.
I do believe that the scripture you have a adulterated, however if you noticed i didnt use this as my arguement againt the crucifixion of jesus i gave you verses from your bible aligning to what i stated.
Where do jews put herbs on the dead after they have been buried?
Can god deny a request of himself?
Does god accept only the sacrifice to forgive or the resolution to stop sinning is also acceptable? and again we are apealing to the justice of god, for mankind, which included the rich and the poor.
Thanks man, this is my first so it is a whole new experience. the waking up in odd hours of night to feed the baby is crazy lol but it is so worth it.
#1. Sorry.. I was being a little to literal in answering your question. You asked who killed him and it was the romans. It was certainly at the Jews prodding but it was still the Roman.
Never the less... NONE of that point truly matters Ali. Jesus states repeatedly that he came to die. I have tirelessly provided those numerous scriptures and the simple fact of the matter is no matter WHO was the arm by which it was accomplished, it was Jesus' will and he flatly states this (Cont.)
This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs."
So, I think that point is pretty well establish already.
#3. Indeed!
#4. I did not avoid the question. I answered it exactly how I wanted it answer with intent.
Ali, you keep negating with your questions the common understanding amongst Christian (but apparently no so common amongst Muslims) that Jesus was BOTH fully God and Fully man.
Whether you accept this or not, it is what Christianity has taught since the foundation. (cont.)
Jesus experienced, as a human, every emotion humanity would; yet without sin (unlike any other human who has ever lived.)
Thus, for Jesus the HUMAN to see the events that were about to unfold and to know that all the sins of humanity were to be placed on him which was enough stress on his HUMAN body to cause him to sweat blood, it is NOT unreasonable AT ALL to see him say, "if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me, Yet not as I will, but as you will."
request in the role of God the Son to God the Father.
He is visibly experiencing the events as a human would and yet he perfectly aligns his will to what the Father has intended WHICH was a sacrifice for sin as required by the law and spoken of clearly by the prophets.
I think I have completely answered your questions my friend.
Now on to the kidos!
Boy or girl? When were they born? Is this your first?
My daughter (10 in December) is a complete Daddies girl and she knows it. (cont.)
she works it to her advantage as much as she can. :-)
My son is 6. He's a complete ham (don't know WHERE he got that from) and is really strating to come into his own. He is playing soccer for the first time this year and he's about a foot shorter than the other kids and he's really been getting in their and fighting for the ball despite being knocked around LIKE the ball. I've really been proud of him.
They're so much fun and mature you in so many ways. Truly God's gifts.
#1 - i am not sure how you got that from my initial question which was "It was wicked Jews that "killed" jesus",it had nothing to do with romans, and if you notice how i phrased it, it was not that they did the actual killing but are responsible for it.
Then you started talking about your theology, we dont care about that for now, we are only concerned with is it possible that these people can be decieved by god as 2 thes 2:11 tells us god will do to wicked people. as was stated as the premis of my arguement on the very day i asked you these 4 questions. As for John 10:17-18 we discussed this in video so lets not waste text space again.
#2 - YOu provided me evidence of herbs being placed on the dead at time of burial, not 3 days after a person was dead. and that was my question, because it is by all abrahamic belief that you dont disturb the dead after it has been buried.
#4 - Joe, ofcourse i will negate your common belief, how can i disproove something you believe if i dont negate it? it would be silly of me to tell you the paper is white if you have a problem with me saying it is not black, dont you think? so yes ofcourse i am going to take a muslim's stance on answering your challenge. you say we cannot proove jesus was not crucified.
i say he was not, and as such this is what i am out to proove, the quran tells us these jews were decieved your bible tells us the same thing happens to wicked people. and as such it is the stand i take that the wicked jews tried to kill the messenger of god and were decieved into thinking so.
as for the antrophomorphic experience of jesus, i am enclined to believe more in hinduism than in christianity, because in hinduism there is a consistant belief not a one off situation, where in their religion god comes many times because as times change the emotions of people change so much so there is some guy claiming to be an incarnation of god walking around today.
lets take a step back what is idolitry in layman's terms? if you were to understand this answer you would understand why as a muslim i cannot think of jesus as god. to the answer that any layman can understand: idolitry is worship of anything that is created.
if we were to apply this to jesus what do we find, well we find he was created, we find him being delievered as a baby, he didnt just appear out of no where, he had an apparent beginning and therefore is a created being and therefore worship of him is idolitry.
if you disagree (which i am sure you do) provide a layman defination that we can take to any one and they would understand as the defination of idolitry. also proove your case without prooving my ancestors the hindus correct in their faith.
First of congrats on your kids may god keep them out of harms way and give them good in this life and the next.
as for me it is our first, and it is a girl. she was born on the 11th of this month, it is truly a whole differnt experience, when i hold her i think about the life i brought her into where filth is everywhere around us, and worry of how i can keep her out of it,
when i hear her cry i think of would i be able to instill in her as our parents instilled in us to respect her elders. when i see her sleep i wonder if i would be able to afford her the peace of mind that she has now, but that is out of my hands, i will do the best i can do, and leave the rest to god, because what ever is in her destiny is already known to him, and only he can change it.
there are soo many emotions you go through when you are with a baby, it is amazing, but that is why children in islam is a blessing, we are given a different prespective of life with them in our arms.
Our posts are going all over the place it seems. The difficulty of multiple topics.
I hear from you all the common thoughts I had when I first held mine. It is amazing the consistency of parenthood (especially on those who pursue God).
They truly are such a blessing and have taught me so much.
I'm envious of you getting to have those early baby days. (Not so envious of the diapers and missed sleep. LOL) But it only continues to get better. My daughter now is so independent, (cont.)
such an intelligent girl (top 5% of nation by testing - proud papa can you tell?), my son is such a good natured soul - concerned with justice and what is fair and with such a good sense of humor.
They are so fun just to experience and watch become their own person.
Scripture teaches us this specifically (Philippians 2:5-8 is one clear example.)
And thus, Christians do not worship the humanity of Jesus. We worship God and God alone. We do not worship multiple separate Gods. We worship One God in 3 persons.
And I from what I have witnessed of the Kaaba and the black stone, it is highly suspect that Muslims do not have idol worship in their faith... but I digress.
It is the misrepresentation of Christian theology (The dual nature of Christ) that (Cont.)
causes you to not understand our worship of Jesus. It is asking a question that once again violates what Christian theology says.
You say, Jesus is created and therefor worship of him is idolatry.
Yet, you ignore that Christianity teaches and HAS taught from the foundation that Jesus is BOTH fully God and fully man.
Thus... no idolatry to worship him and that is why Jesus clearly accepts worship (Proskuneo) on no less than 14 occasions in Matthew alone when he himself states that (cont.)
no man is to receive worship (Proskuneo) in Luke 4:8.
Jesus would be making himself out to be a liar and would also be violating the law.
Even with the best fancy footwork, the muslim can only explain away a few of the "Worship" situations as "Paying respect" but it is clear and plainly evident that Jesus ALLOWED men to worship him in the truest sense of the word WORSHIP.
I stated that this was a good question. I spent a lot of time in study on it last night. Going to be impossible to recount it all here.
In short: Between 30BC and 70AD the Jews were in a transition to what became a practice that continued up until around the late 3rd century which was the use of Ossuaries (burial boxes).
Study up on that term and you will find what I have found.
Anointing with herbs became a common practice during (Cont.)
Ali, my point (and this isn't my theology as it is plainly repeated scores of time by Jesus' own mouth) is that Jesus himself stated his purpose was to die (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34, etc.) He stated EXACTLY HOW he would die (Matthew 20:19, 26:2, etc.) and he stated exactly WHY he would die (Matthew 26:28). On top of that the Prophets were plainly clear on the subject as well. The detail of Isaiah 53 is amazing.
Delusion, no delusion, none of that matters at all. JESUS weighs in on (cont.)
the subject in abundance. There is no argument that Jesus was clear about his intent to die. He even gave it to the Jews in Parable in Matthew 21. The Father sends the son to the vineyard and the kill the son. It's plain as day.
Were the Jews deluded? They were deluded enough not to recognize the Messiah when he came - just as was prophesied - and that's why at their prodding the romans killed him.
That's not my theology. A 4th grader (My daughter) reading the Gospels concludes that.
excellent questions that when studied reveal the truth of the crucifixion.
#1. The romans actually crucified Jesus - not the Jews. They did so in complete fulfillment of the prophecies of the Messiah in Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 which specifically state that he would be pierced through his hands and his feet.
#2. I'm not sure where you are getting your information my friend. It is a rather well documented fact that the Jews practiced this burial custom.
"Josephus records that forty pounds of spices were used at the funeral of the highly respected elder R. Gamaliel" (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 17c.8, s.3).
I could provide you scores of such quotes that demonstrate the historical fact that burial herbs was common practice for the dead.
#3. God is the same always. you made no point for me to rebut here so we will leave it at that.
#4. the ACTUAL phrase reads as follows:
"My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be (cont.)
taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."
Jesus, the fully human, prayed that were it possible for this cup to be taken away, then please do so... yet NOT AS HE WILLED but as his Father willed.
The Father knew (AS did the prophets who agreed) that this was the only way.
The prayer of Jesus in this was simply saying in modern vernacular, "I'm not excited about what's about to go down here and if there's any other way... let's roll with that... but hey... not my plans but yours."
Ali, My friend, the simple fact of the matter is this and I have demonstrated this repeatedly. No one has refuted it. It stands over and over again:
The prophets clearly speak of the messiahs death. Jesus CLEARLY states REPEATEDLY that he would die, HOW he would die (Yes he knew in ADVANCE HOW he would die) and he plainly states why.
You must do all sorts of philosophical theatrics to even TRY to cast doubt on that plainly clear truth.
that the law of God requires sacrifice for the atonement of sin, the prophets clearly assert that the messiah would die for the transgressions of man and even HOW he would die, and the Messiah himself plainly and REPEATEDLY makes it clear that that was his mission and purpose.
I luv ya man, but it stands. The only rebuttal the Muslim can genuinely offer is "The Bible is corrupt" because to acknowledge the texts with intellectual honesty is to actual the crucifixion for sin.
Deedat is found of making assertions like scholar say that revelation was a dream of John. Really? What a load of garbage Deedat.
John himself states, "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,"
John saw a VISION (just as Mohamed SUPPOSEDLY saw)
John continues, "Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!" (Cont.)
SORRY Mr. Deedat it is not unclear AT ALL that this is speaking of Jesus and that it is JESUS who is talking.
he quotes umpteen verses abotu how Jesus' power isn't his and yet totally neglects to know / understand their context or forgets to MENTION that Jesus regularly asserts that HE chooses whom he wishes to give life to (John 5:22-23) and that ALL judgment is his. He forgets to mention that the pwoer of eternal life is JESUS' to give (John 10:28).
Muhammad said Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like him died instead and that is fiction
He said God protected his prophets from such a death when Muhammad himself issued sura 5:33 which is slay or crucifiy or chase off the land those who resist invasion by Muslims
Even in modern times, Muslims in Sudan have crucified some Christians
Muslims ignore the quranic teachings do not fight over the religions because they desire to conquer Christians
The Messiah was fortold to come and to go to the cross which Jesus did
After Jesus went to the cross and rose from the dead that is when Christianity came into existence not before
Jesus chose to go to the cross, no one forced him for he desired to convince his disciples that he is in all people on earth so that they could preach about the coming of the kingdom of God which entails people becoming aware of God's presence in their personal life
That's "exactly" what you are in by being a christian following blindly! Pick the example that fits. Anyway, although the example does not fit, but yes they can. The matter here is not about what you inherit physically nor who was your family!
Rather, who accept being a salve and who is not! Dig into your history and read about African American for example. Do you still think that they are your salves as your ancestors-assuming you are white- were having them as salves ?! Think and do not just use your tongue.
No, sir. You don't understand. I was born and baptized in your church an d I listened to all this none sense Jebrish that you are talking about and about the human made concept of TRINITY AND ORIGINAL SIN which Prophet Jesus (pbuh) never said such thing in the bible at all. God opened my eyes and showed me the true path of salvation of Islam. So, Prophet Jesus Christ Said "handle me and see for a SPIRIT HAS NO FLESH AND BONE". Give me a statement by Jesus in which he said something different.
iam not surprised that you are from christian convert to muslim even my father was muslim convert to christian, because the bible must fulfil " the first will be the last n the last will be the first.
yes i,d know that spirit has no bone, but if you heard living in the spirit that mean human being which is from flesh n bone is doing living in the spirit.
we,ve been teached to pray not only 5 or 10 times a day but pray in the spirit non stop.
No, I don't want you to give me these stories. I want to read this statement from Prophet Jesus. Did he said anywhere in the bible that he will die for all the sins for human beings??? I don't want you to answer me with what you believe, I want a statement from Prophet Jesus from the Greek gospels clearly saying that HE WILL DIE ON THE CROSS FOR THE SINS OF HUMANITY. Please no more fairy tale stories.
Why don't you leave Mr Deedat alone. He tried his best with you guys but very few listened to him. This is also has nothing to do with me going to Islam as well. How about you bless us with the knowledge that you got from the holy spirit (the third god in trinity) and show us where did prophet Jesus himself said clearly that he will die on the cross for the sins of all mankind so that we can all be blessed by the third god (the holy spirit).
Dear friend i know many christian people ( baptized and they claim the spirit is in them) but they have never been able to understand their own bible. the errors the contradictions the deception. i'm asking where is that spirit that you claim is in you? and they remain silent . same thing to you bro did the spirit taught you anything new ?
2nd don't confuse people with your Flesh and bones stories we're on 21 century people don't believe such stories anymore :)
because seeing they don't see, and hearing, they don't hear, neither do they understand.
In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says, 'By hearing you will hear, And will in no way understand; Seeing you will see, And will in no way perceive:
mr deedat can study the bible day and night and he can save every verse,s in his head but i say unto you, he will never ever understand until he born again with water and spirit and REPENT
They should play this video on a Big screen in times square. This video rocks the entire foundation of Christianity. It disects it inch by inch, proving there are grave errors and contradictions. Ahmed Deedat may Allah grant u paradise at its highest level.The Christians were even laughing because they knew he had points which they could not reject or refute.
This gentleman does not seem to have a good understanding of Catholic Dogma. We believe in the Resurrection of the Body. Which means Christ did indeed have a body(a Glorified Body) after the Resurrection.
BonJourNuit Always makes no sense He is such a sad person honestly he has been at it for years and most of his lies have been answered except he repeats them over and over like a propaganda Zionist machine.
However his ignorance makes him look like fool publicly so that satisfies me Hehe...
anyone who believes jesus is god or was god is frankly an ignorant or a fool.
what kind of god lives in woman's womb for 9 months, eats, drinks and no doubt excretes like a human, seduced by the devil, killed on a cross and lays dead for 3 days.
what frankly ignorant is how you are still making refuted points like 'what kind of god lives in woman's womb for 9 months, eats, drinks and no doubt excretes like a human, seduced by the devil, killed on a cross and lays dead for 3 days' those points have been refuted/destroyed/abolised/maimed and fucked up the ass. take your own advise and READ the bible and LEARN what is the message. you should be embarressed. 'what kind of god eats and shits and pees' PERVERT!!!
The most important covenant that God made with Abraham was that God said loud and clear that God himself chose not Ishmael who was Abraham's first born son but that God chose Isaac the second son to carry as Everlasting the covenant thus prophetic line that means Ishmael was never a prophet and no descendents of his ever became prophets and that means Muhammad himself who claimed he descended from Ishmael was never a prophet of God
Deedat tried to say Rev is invalid because it was but a dream of John
yet when Muhammad had a dream that he flew on a winged donkey into heaven from Jerusalem the Muslims then built the Dome of the Rock on the Holy site of the Jews
When dreams serve Muslims then they don't care what others think
God himself said Love your Neighbour but Muhammad said wage war with the non believer as is your neighbour
Who is lying?
Rev remains valid, without needing the acceptance of Muslims
you can only tell this BonjourNuit15 that he is a liar & give him a spit from the bottom of ur throat.
For every & each claim he's got is filled with lies and misconceptions.
- Paganism WAS the predominant religion in those "Semitic" lands.
- Not only jews are semites, also Arabs are semites and many Arab tribes are RECORDED to have been living in the lands CONTROLLED by the Roman christians.
- Christians are and were never oppressed in the middle east. Only in ur filthy Zionist fantasies.
Because I am in a human body susceptible to death as others, you think you can give me your spit from the bottom of your throat which is Islam
Your desire to spit in my space is equal to spitting in God's face for that is how ignorant you are of God's presence in our world
I told you repeatedly I do not lie because I am not a Muslim as only Muslims lie for Islam for Islam is not the truth because Islam is not God and only God is the truth
Muhammad married a 6 year old, he took his adopted son's wife and to do so he claimed God no longer honoured adoption, Muhammad sold women as slaves
and Muhammad taught men are superior to women, that men can do anything to women and that if men die fighting for Islam God will reward them with dancing houris when Paradise is knowing God who is with all people on earth
Turkey, Egypt, Syrian, Iraq were Christian nations with large Jewish populations
These nations were invaded by Muslims who believe it is their right to dominate others
Muslim domination turned these nations backwards and poor
as Islam is only a man made religion using God to conquer and to oppress others for only Islam is the only religion on earth that began with a mass murderer and pedophile and God never uses such men to guide men to the truth
See how tiny a piece of land the Jews have, yet you Muslims want to take it from them but the next time you try to take it from them, Islam will be no more for God will destroy Islam that is from Satan
Whether you live to see it or not, your own soul will learn that only Islam is not from God but from man using God to perpetuate hell on earth
Your own fantasy is you think you stand on the side of God when you stand on the side of Satan
Colonalism began when the pirating Turks prevented Europeans from obtaining the spices they needed to perserve their meats
Colonal invasion of the New World was not based on Jesus' instructions however the Dome of the Rock serves as a testimony of Muhammad's hatred towards Jews which Muhammad did teach
The diffence between Colonalism and Islamic invasion is that Islam itself is a religion of war against all non Muslims and that fact is from instructions in the Quran
Christian Middle East was invaded by the Muslims who used terror, violence to maintain power over them
The Dome of the Rock is evidence of Islamic invasion when they all knew this was the Holy Land of the Jews
Eighty or more years ago, 1.3 million Christian Aramenians were slaughtered by the Muslims as throughout the ages Christians are oppressed and when something goes wrong, their homes and businesses are burnt and they are attacked
Paganism came before Christianity but during the time of Muhammad the entire Middle East was predominatedly Christian with a large Jewish population and lingering pagan groups
Paganism was mostly prevalent in Saudi Arabia as Muhammad himself had been a pagan and Allah the moon god was but one of 350 gods
A true God means no one can exist outside of God
God is all there is so there can not be other gods there can only be false beliefs added before God which Muhammad has done
The entire Middle East including Turkey and Egypt was Christian with large Jewish populations
Islam began in Suadi Arabia then the Muslims invaded the Middle East and forced all these nations to convert to Islam for it is in the Quran to conquer the world for Islam
If there are Christians in these nations, they are now the minority and oppressed
Ask yourself what is the Dome of the Rock doing in Jerusalem for it is a symbol of Islamic invasion for it has no right to be there
Muhammad said Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like Jesus died instead
Muhammad said about Christianity was false to instigate hate in order to wage war with the Christians
sura 61:6 Jesus never announced the coming of the apostle the ahmad
Jesus said the Holy Spirit that lives in all people on earth will come
Instead of fighting over other people's religions question the Quran which is a man made religion of hatred violence and oppression serving not God but Satan
muslims love everyone and everything Allah (god) has created.
i know its probably harder for non muslims not knowing the truth and letting there ego get the better of them, they trying to enjoy this life as much they can making this world like hell.
it is so openly clear what is going on today and who is seeking power and who is just trying to keep pride.
Islam is a religion of war against all non Muslims on earth.
From the first to the last page is only hatred and violence towards all those who rejected Muhammad for he said those who make a distinction between Allah and his apostle, who accept one but reject the other, sura 4:150 are the unbelievers and will be chastised
as if Muhammad was God's partner
Since Islam is a religion of war against all non believers on earth it follows that the Quran would teach other lies
Muhammad pretended to praise Jesus but he used Jesus instead and he downsized Jesus
Jesus never would announce with glad tidyings the coming of Muhammad as Muhammad tried to say in sura 61:6, when Muslims slaughtered both Jews and Christians to this day, when Muhammad said Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like Jesus died instead, when Muhammad accused Christians of believing in 2 gods plus Mary as a god just so Muhammad could justify waging war with them
the prophets before jesus peace be upon him all preached (monotheism) one god. none of da previous prophets or messengers said to they people jesus peace be upon him is god almighty. if christianity is da correct belief does that mean that all those that do not follow christianity are the inmates of hell,jesus peace be upon him is word of god and the spririt of god he also raised the dead cured the blind and the cured the leper all this is told in the holy quran plz reply o and keep it civil.
MrT, Jesus also taught God is ECHAD, One UNITED. Christians do not believe in 3 Gods. This is an error told to you because the author of the Quran did not understand the Trinity.
The Author thought God, Jesus and Mary were the Trinity. He was confused by the teaching of the Holy Spirit because He did not understand it.
JESUS said 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, NO MAN comes unto the Father, BUT BY ME'. Do you believe Jesus was a Prophet? If you do consider HIS WORDS, my friend.
prophets before jesus peace be upon him all preached (monotheism) one god. none of da previous prophets or messengers said to they people jesus peace be upon him is god. u belief, christianity is da correct belief so does that mean that all those that do not follow christianity are the inmates of hell,jesus peace be upon him is word of god and the spririt of god he also raised the dead cured the blind and the cured the leper all this is told in the holy quran the plz reply o and keep it civil.
MrT, Jesus also taught God is ECHAD, One UNITED. Christians do not believe in 3 Gods. This is an error told to you because the author of the Quran did not understand the Trinity.
The Author thought God, Jesus and Mary were the Trinity. He was confused by the teaching of the Holy Spirit because He did not understand it.
JESUS said 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, NO MAN comes unto the Father, BUT BY ME'. Do you believe Jesus was a Prophet? If you do consider HIS WORDS, my friend.
The Bible is perfect in every sense and does not contradict itself, like your corrupt scriptures that have been altered, deleted, etc. As for the 'Covenant' that you boast so much about, if you read your Bible carefully, you will see that Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's words prove Islam and disprove Christianity. You follow conjectures, and you do nothing but lie. Wake up and embrace Islam before it is too late for you
Texas, i would like to know do CHRISTIANS say in boast that they killed Jesus(as)? is it a christian claim? if it is christians that are boasting that they killed jesus then you are right, if not then you are deluded:
004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts...
from what you state about verse 4.157, your claim is that in order for there to be a contradication that in verse 5.14 it must state that jesus was infact killed or crucified.
the quran sates for that verse: 005.014
YUSUFALI: From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them...
the verse continues but does not mention anything to do with crucifixion.
nali, I give you more credit than that, my friend.
It is clear from the text of the Quran that Mohammed knew very little about Christianty, even while he presumed to criticize it.
The Crucifixion is front and center on the list of items Mohammed knew nothing about, BECAUSE nali, the Crucifixion is the CENTRAL FOUNDATION of the entire Covenant.
It is WHY the New Testament is CALLED the New Testament. It is dependent on THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR, Jesus.
nali(2) Jesus taught about His New Covenant and that HE was establishing it WITH HIS BLOOD and WITH HIS BODY, meaning His Death by Crucifixion, my friend.
This is SO CENTRAL, it is why Satan has tried explicitly to deny it with the Quran in Mohammedism. In fact, denial of the Crucifixion is pretty much the ONLY reason that Mohammedism exists.
You CANNOT name any other single religion on Earth that Mohammed singled out to speak directly against the actions of their Leader OR their Covenant.
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You don't want to choose Christianity because you think someone was 'defeated' in a verbal match. Or because one religion appears to appeal to the limits of human logic versus the other, that's fine.
But I can't recall Human Rights and the UN getting involved a recent beheading or stoning because of Jesus....
watcher4234 5 months ago
I wish God open Mr. Deedat's spiritual eyes to see where his dead & departed muslim friends are! He will run & turn to Jesus Christ very quickly & wonder why he said all the garbage he previously said!
7olusegun 6 months ago
@7olusegun : If you are representing a christian you are a shame.
1- Today it is the christians who are killing thousands of muslim children and not muslims.
2- Talking about a dead man is very offensive and you'll be judged for your pernicious thinking.
If you are a christian then I'm the devil.
May God guide you to more wisdom and humbleness.
swiftspy 5 months ago
@swiftspy If for Jesus Christ am I a Christian, let me be a shame then. The orthodox "christians" that kill are actually satanic to the core, using the "Name of Christ" to perform their dastard deeds. Furthermore, Jesus Himself also spoke about dead men (e.g. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the rich man, Lazarus, even hell etc, etc), when proving a point & also in parables. So what are you talking about? You are satan? Hi satan! how far with your clever NWO agenda? Jesus is the only way to eternal life.
7olusegun 5 months ago
@7olusegun : The only one who have agendas are those who want to erase ANY religion. I don't care about orthodox chritians as they are wrong. Yes Jesus will come back and testifies of your twisting of his teachings, making him a God amongst humans. Instead of attacking muslims you should realize that we are more related in faith than the jews. Read your bible and realize that man is saved throught his own actions. It was, it is and will always be the case. You are following Paulisnism not Jesus.
swiftspy 5 months ago
@swiftspy Wether I follow Paul or Jesus, thou knowest. Even Paul says he is a follower of Jesus. Did Jesus not say (to a rich man) that things with men are impossible but with God all things are possible (in relation to salvation)? The rich man obeyed 'all' the laws from his youth to adulthood, but Jesus said it is hard for that man to be saved. I ain't attacking muslims but saying the truth. Tell me what I said earlier was a twisting of Jesus' teachings. Let me know. Accepting Jesus as your....
7olusegun 5 months ago
@swiftspy ..(cont'd).. Lord & Savior is just all the 'work' it takes to be saved from eternal destruction. If you wanna claim allah sent Jesus into the world, how come what Jesus preached/taught was totally different from what your allah god taught & also why are muslims & Christians arch enemies? Is God an author of confusion? How are you more related to faith than the Jews? In Islamic Justification? Hahaha!! I tell you the truth, anyone not saved in Jesus who dies, all will go to hell forever.
7olusegun 5 months ago
@7olusegun : I don't see anything in faith that oppose Islam and Christianity but the trinity. One God in the old and the new testament. Paul created trinity. If you want to believe in a pagan tale, you are welcome to do so. I feel confortable with "Allah" wich is probably the word used by Jesus to talk about God.There no sense in punishing human because of Adam sin. You are deluded and many never received any spirit and died without knowing God. Islam is simple and bring you back to ONE GOD.
swiftspy 5 months ago
@swiftspy Nope! Paul ain't create 'trinity'. The concept of the 'Holy Trnity' can be foud in the bible & was mentioned by Jesus Christ Himself (Mat. 28:19), not Paul. The word "one" can be used either in the singular or plural. The latter usually as a 'collective' of individuals working in unison, in one perfect accord. E.g. God said "the people is ONE" (Gen.11:6). So God is being (collective) "ONE" (Gen.1:26, 11:7), consisting of 3 distinct individuals working in perfect unison. So think well.
7olusegun 5 months ago
@swiftspy If you're claiming your allah sent Jesus to Earth to teach about him, then you're very most highly deluded ignorant. Why then are muslims & (biblical) christians arch enemies like I said earlier? Answer me. The bible says the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23). Why then do babies die (even in utero) when they have not committed any physical iniquities/sins? Is it not b'cos they inadvertently inherited the sins of Adam & Eve in their genes that brought imperfections, disease & death?....
7olusegun 5 months ago
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@swiftspy If you're claiming your allah sent Jesus to Earth to teach about him, then you're very most highly deluded ignorant. Why then are muslims & (biblical) christians arch enemies like I said earlier? Answer me. The bible says the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23). Why then do babies die (even in utero) when they have not committed any physical iniquities/sins? Is it not b'cos they inadvertently inherited the sins of Adam & Eve in their genes that brought imperfections, disease & death?....
7olusegun 5 months ago
@swiftspy Jesus always use the Word my "Father" when He was referring to God the Father. He never once said or imply allah to be his father so stop your presumption. In fact, is it not your god allah that forbids his followers calling him "father" (despite claiming to be a loving & benevolent being)? What kind of a god is that? Why do 'very good' people die? Why do humans of all ages die? What bad deeds have they done to warrant death? Answer me all these. Islam will take you to hell if you die.
7olusegun 5 months ago
@7olusegun : @7olusegun : Fathers and sons are to be found "by the tons" in the bible. They have a spiritual meaning, unlless the context shows you differently. Your duty is to learn original language of the scriptures and then read some parts of the bible WITHOUT translation. Don't bother as to show me that Allah is not the only one God. He is the God of Abraham and is unique as it is for jews. Paul has deceived Jesus(pbuh) and you are following him blindly. Jesus never talked in english :-).
swiftspy 5 months ago
@swiftspy Perhaps, it is your own duty to go research thoroughly who allah really is & whether or not he is the god of Abraham, without using your koran. Many of the biblical scriptures had been verified by historical, archaeologic & scientific evidences, including its prophecies from extra-biblical sources like Josephus etc. Its scriptures had been thoroughly scrutinized from the Greek, Aramaic & Hebrew texts. Daring prophecies had been fulfilled 100% correctly. Can that be said of your koran?
7olusegun 5 months ago
@7olusegun : You want the truth, go back to the essence of Jesus: he was a jew, living in a roman conquered city and spoke aramaic (most certainely). Watch Mel Gibson movie without english subtiles, you'll understand nothing. Now, I watched it and as a muslim knowing arabic, I can put many words and sometimes phrases in context: in other words I understood and "feel" it more than any westerner claiming that he has the truth. I will stick to ONE God, try to "save" others. I end here. Peace.
swiftspy 5 months ago
BIBLE WARNS OF ISLAM AND THE CURSE THAT WILL BE UPON PEOPLE LIKE DEEDAT
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. - Gal 1:8
islamfalse 6 months ago
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WHY MUSLIMS DONT BELIEVE JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish, foolishness..."(1 Cor 1:18)
islamfalse 6 months ago
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WHY MUSLIMS DONT BELIEVE JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish, foolishness..."(1 Cor 1:18)
islamfalse 6 months ago
PROOF FROM JESUS OWN WORDS THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED
Matthew 16:21 - From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and teachers of the law, and that he must be KILLED and on the third day be RAISED to life.
islamfalse 6 months ago
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PROOF FROM JESUS OWN WORDS THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED
Matthew 16:21 - From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and teachers of the law, and that he must be KILLED and on the third day be RAISED to life.
islamfalse 6 months ago
you people did a great job who ever made this video may Allah bless upon u all.. to Ahmed Deedat, you are my Champion...Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh...
GoodBinGood 8 months ago
Thanks for sharing this debate. May Allah bless you. May Allah give Jannat-ul-Firdose to Mr.Sheikh Ahmed Deedat.
fascinated143 1 year ago 5
@FreedomFighterReturn not just that even if you give douglas the benefit of the doubt, ok he got friday, he got friday night, he got Saturday, he got Saturday night and he got sunday, your still short 1 night there's no way around it
sanotsbac 1 year ago
Deedat has been confirmed to be anti-Semitic.
watcher4234 1 year ago
@watcher4234 what does that mean?
rash80s 1 year ago
@watcher4234
why anti simetic, because he is against the terrorist state of israel?
MrPathanStyle 11 months ago
the most wonderful debate .. may ALLAH give u His mercy and Paradise O SHIEKH AHMAD DEEDAT...ameen
honestly i never feel bored with watching these debates every time... praise be to ALLAH for His great gift and favor ( ISLAM )
may ALLAH reward you and support you brother n ALI Akbar
selfpunisher 1 year ago 15
embrace the sufi way of life, die before yu die, and come on over to the "otherside" to dizcover from direct experience yurselvez what iz true or remain living a lie for truth iz death, and sure iz the death of that which iz true/forever, death of the human spirit, and the mune waz split in 2 </3 thank yu and goodnite
9eazemaker 2 years ago
Matthew 7[23] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
the name "Jesus christ" translatez into hebrew/arabic az imposter/false-christ ie. anti-christ for there is no letter "J" in the hebew alef-bet, and [anti]christ-maitreya shall betreya'll
9eazemaker 2 years ago
lol what?
are you, as a muslim, saying Esa ASWS wasn't the messiah?
helsharidy123 2 years ago
who ever said anthing about "Esa"!? the one i am speaking about iz khrizt-maitreya aka the false-khrizt translated Jasoos/JEsus chrizt... the chriztianz got their religion hijacked long ago, yu should know that since Islam waz introduced to shun all abomination
9eazemaker 2 years ago
i lost you when you transliterated arabic, lol.
helsharidy123 2 years ago
google Maitreya/anti-chrizt aka green man half the man/indian man that iz Muhammad/wize man aka fallen angelz my friend, friend = waly/sufi way
9eazemaker 2 years ago
Rhimaka Allah Mr Deedat
aliloureselkilou 2 years ago
Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Quran, then write it in the dialect of Quraish as the Quran was revealed in their tongue.' They did so, and when they had written many copies, Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Quranic materials whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burned
12walshie 2 years ago
Well well, some of the language from our Islamic friends certainly would make Muhammed proud, "if they dont agree with you then slander them till there are no more" It also seems a very weak argument to say that the Quran hasnt been touched by huamn hands, i suggest you read the historical facts regarding this. They even burnt copies,
12walshie 2 years ago
Another Worthless Christian OWNED!!!!!
ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!! Deedat your are the best!!!
supermaz2002 2 years ago
"Another Worthless Christian"
So now it is up to you to judge the worth of another human. It's nice to meet you God. I always thought I'd meet you after death but who knew... I'd find you on youtube.
You're arrogance and condescension are telling of your true nature.
Present ANY argument of Deedat's and I will refute it here and now.
There's your challenge.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Yeah i know ure type. Bible thumpers that just keep on quoting bullshit passages from the bible thinking that they make sense. As long as the Bible has been touched by MAN there is NO WAY u can use it to support any of ure claims or arguments. Any book filled with contradictions and abosolute non sense is rubbish. So dont Salaam me u hell bound son of a whore!!!!!!!!
supermaz2002 2 years ago
It's rather humorous that I quoted you not a single verse from the Bible.
Every book ever written has been "touched by man" and thus that argument is as silly as you are profane.
I offered you a challenge and clearly you are not up to the task. You have been measured and found wanting.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Listen asshole, The Qur'an hasnt been changed since it was revealed to Muhammad (PBUH). Your Bible on the other hand has so many different versions with things added in, taken out as fabrications, incest in the bible, trinity was removed, ascension of Jesus was removed. It has been ALTERED by Man. Qur'an hasn't
supermaz2002 2 years ago
I do not converse with someone who cannot demonstrate the basics of adult civility. Profanity when discussing God is unacceptable.
"For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks." - Matthew 12:34
It is evident what the abundance of your heart is.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Didnt I tell u not to quote anything from that filthy pornographic book of yours. When will you morons get it.
supermaz2002 2 years ago
You can tell me whatever you want. However, you do not control me.
And what is evident is what your heart is full of because the mouth reflects what is that abundance.
I will quote what I want, when I want. I chose to quote God's word because it is what fills my heart.
"6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." - John 14:6
jorsak 2 years ago
Hahahahha ure the one the started talkin to me i never talked to u. I made a comment and u started a discussion. Your the only one posting bullshit here coz u know that Deedat owned every1 christian scholar he debated. Moses was the way truth and the life during his time, so was Muhammad u ignorant fool. What u are quoting is not God's word, its Man's word. Your ass is burning coz u know in your heart that Christinanity has crumbled to bits and pieces.
supermaz2002 2 years ago
LOL! Oh boy! Sigh... that was truly worth a good chuckle.
I'm the only one who is posting (profanity removed) here coz I know that Deedat owned every1(?) christian scholar he debated.
Oh my goodness... once you suffer through the profanity, the horrid grammar, you still end up with a completely unintelligible remark.
I don't even know where to begin with this daft, profane, sub-literate, garbage..
With every post you make me proud to be a Christian.
jorsak 2 years ago
Hahahahahah one of u moron Christians spotted Jesus on their iron today ahahahahahaha fuckin douche bags that ya'll are. Christianity is a bigger fraud than Bernie Madoff u dumbass. Open your eyes to the truth and embrace Islam.
supermaz2002 2 years ago
"fuckin douche bags," "dumbass,"
"Open your eyes to the truth..."
Indeed! My eyes are wide open and you make me thankful that I see.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Ive grown so weery of this fellows arguments.
ANYONE, I challenge you, post me the BEST of Deedat's arguments. Post me your FAVORITE argument from Deedat and I will thoroughly and completely refute it to the point that you have nothing left to argue.
ESPECIALLY anything related to the crucifixion which the Qur'an is absolutely wrong in.
I'm waiting on this challenge.
Blessings in Christ,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Joe,
I will take you up on this challenge.
1. Y/N - It was wicked Jews that "killed" jesus
2. Y/N - A deciple of jesus went to his grave with herbs to put on his body (granted we dont know exactly what kind of herbs but none the less herbs)
3. Y/N - God is, was and will forever be the same
4. Y/N - Did God give Jesus what ever he wanted on earth?
naliakbar 2 years ago
If you answer Y to all 4 of these questions then read 2 Thes 2:11 and we find that god will decieve the wicked, therefore it is quite possible that the WICKED jews were decieved, and how do we come to that conclusion? well simple if you look at the question 2, we know that there is no practice of putting herbs on the dead so the deciple most definatelyl had to see life in jesus do do that also we know Jesus asked god to "take this cup away from me" so there is the proof from your bible.
naliakbar 2 years ago
PS. if i dont answer your response please send me a PM and remind me, i am busy these days as we have a new addition to my family who is taking most of my time
naliakbar 2 years ago
YO! CONGRATS BUD! That's to awesome! Children are such a blessing. My two are just....well... everything to me. There goodness and gentleness have taught me so much.
Again... congrats my friend.
Blessings on you and yours,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Joe,
I know you are grabbing at straws but lets look at it.
#1 - The Romans did not want to kill jesus but the Jews did. it is clear they are the ones who took him to pilate, even your bible says pilate says he finds nothing evil of this man if i recall properly. so no it was not the romans that wanted to kill him but the jews.
naliakbar 2 years ago
#2 - Can you please provide evidence of the jews applying herbs on the dead because i would be interested in this knowledge, since i dont know of any jew, christian or muslim who all bury in the same manner that puts herbs on the dead.
Your record of Josephus says "at the funeral" not 3 days after the dead is in the grave.
so please provide me with some of those scores of evidence that after aperson is buried the jews applied herb to the dead.
naliakbar 2 years ago
#3 - atleast we have some agreement.
#4 - Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
Matthew and Luke also have the same wording, but conviniently you avoided the question is it not true god gave jesus what ever he wanted.
naliakbar 2 years ago
Also to add to this you believe that Jesus is god, can god deny himself something? I agree god can deny a mere man something but here you are preaching to us that jesus is god, yet god denys himself a request from himself. your mordern day english statement would be proof of jesus not being god as the father is god because it shows a disunity in purpose.
naliakbar 2 years ago
You said the law of god requires sacrifice, i know i asked you this yesterday but ofcourse i dont remember which vid it was so i ask again, if someone does the sacrifice but does not repent, or vice versa someone repents and does not do the sacrifice who would god forgive, i say a just god would forgive the latter, which is proof that sacrifice is not required.
naliakbar 2 years ago
I do believe that the scripture you have a adulterated, however if you noticed i didnt use this as my arguement againt the crucifixion of jesus i gave you verses from your bible aligning to what i stated.
naliakbar 2 years ago
So now the burden of proof is on you:
Where do jews put herbs on the dead after they have been buried?
Can god deny a request of himself?
Does god accept only the sacrifice to forgive or the resolution to stop sinning is also acceptable? and again we are apealing to the justice of god, for mankind, which included the rich and the poor.
naliakbar 2 years ago
Thanks man, this is my first so it is a whole new experience. the waking up in odd hours of night to feed the baby is crazy lol but it is so worth it.
Ali
naliakbar 2 years ago
#1. Sorry.. I was being a little to literal in answering your question. You asked who killed him and it was the romans. It was certainly at the Jews prodding but it was still the Roman.
Never the less... NONE of that point truly matters Ali. Jesus states repeatedly that he came to die. I have tirelessly provided those numerous scriptures and the simple fact of the matter is no matter WHO was the arm by which it was accomplished, it was Jesus' will and he flatly states this (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
in John 10:17-18 (even stating that the love of the Father for him is based on this.)
#2. I already provided you an example in the last response when I quoted from Josephus' book of antiquity regarding the teacher Gamliel.
Additionally, simple logic in dealing with heat and decaying bodies justifies the common practice of using aromatic herbs.
Additionally, scripture plainly states, "Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs."
So, I think that point is pretty well establish already.
#3. Indeed!
#4. I did not avoid the question. I answered it exactly how I wanted it answer with intent.
Ali, you keep negating with your questions the common understanding amongst Christian (but apparently no so common amongst Muslims) that Jesus was BOTH fully God and Fully man.
Whether you accept this or not, it is what Christianity has taught since the foundation. (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
Jesus experienced, as a human, every emotion humanity would; yet without sin (unlike any other human who has ever lived.)
Thus, for Jesus the HUMAN to see the events that were about to unfold and to know that all the sins of humanity were to be placed on him which was enough stress on his HUMAN body to cause him to sweat blood, it is NOT unreasonable AT ALL to see him say, "if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me, Yet not as I will, but as you will."
Jesus is NOT making a (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
request in the role of God the Son to God the Father.
He is visibly experiencing the events as a human would and yet he perfectly aligns his will to what the Father has intended WHICH was a sacrifice for sin as required by the law and spoken of clearly by the prophets.
I think I have completely answered your questions my friend.
Now on to the kidos!
Boy or girl? When were they born? Is this your first?
My daughter (10 in December) is a complete Daddies girl and she knows it. (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
she works it to her advantage as much as she can. :-)
My son is 6. He's a complete ham (don't know WHERE he got that from) and is really strating to come into his own. He is playing soccer for the first time this year and he's about a foot shorter than the other kids and he's really been getting in their and fighting for the ball despite being knocked around LIKE the ball. I've really been proud of him.
They're so much fun and mature you in so many ways. Truly God's gifts.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Joe,
#1 - i am not sure how you got that from my initial question which was "It was wicked Jews that "killed" jesus",it had nothing to do with romans, and if you notice how i phrased it, it was not that they did the actual killing but are responsible for it.
naliakbar 2 years ago
Then you started talking about your theology, we dont care about that for now, we are only concerned with is it possible that these people can be decieved by god as 2 thes 2:11 tells us god will do to wicked people. as was stated as the premis of my arguement on the very day i asked you these 4 questions. As for John 10:17-18 we discussed this in video so lets not waste text space again.
naliakbar 2 years ago
#2 - YOu provided me evidence of herbs being placed on the dead at time of burial, not 3 days after a person was dead. and that was my question, because it is by all abrahamic belief that you dont disturb the dead after it has been buried.
naliakbar 2 years ago
#4 - Joe, ofcourse i will negate your common belief, how can i disproove something you believe if i dont negate it? it would be silly of me to tell you the paper is white if you have a problem with me saying it is not black, dont you think? so yes ofcourse i am going to take a muslim's stance on answering your challenge. you say we cannot proove jesus was not crucified.
naliakbar 2 years ago
i say he was not, and as such this is what i am out to proove, the quran tells us these jews were decieved your bible tells us the same thing happens to wicked people. and as such it is the stand i take that the wicked jews tried to kill the messenger of god and were decieved into thinking so.
naliakbar 2 years ago
as for the antrophomorphic experience of jesus, i am enclined to believe more in hinduism than in christianity, because in hinduism there is a consistant belief not a one off situation, where in their religion god comes many times because as times change the emotions of people change so much so there is some guy claiming to be an incarnation of god walking around today.
naliakbar 2 years ago
lets take a step back what is idolitry in layman's terms? if you were to understand this answer you would understand why as a muslim i cannot think of jesus as god. to the answer that any layman can understand: idolitry is worship of anything that is created.
naliakbar 2 years ago
if we were to apply this to jesus what do we find, well we find he was created, we find him being delievered as a baby, he didnt just appear out of no where, he had an apparent beginning and therefore is a created being and therefore worship of him is idolitry.
naliakbar 2 years ago
if you disagree (which i am sure you do) provide a layman defination that we can take to any one and they would understand as the defination of idolitry. also proove your case without prooving my ancestors the hindus correct in their faith.
naliakbar 2 years ago
To the family:
First of congrats on your kids may god keep them out of harms way and give them good in this life and the next.
as for me it is our first, and it is a girl. she was born on the 11th of this month, it is truly a whole differnt experience, when i hold her i think about the life i brought her into where filth is everywhere around us, and worry of how i can keep her out of it,
naliakbar 2 years ago
when i hear her cry i think of would i be able to instill in her as our parents instilled in us to respect her elders. when i see her sleep i wonder if i would be able to afford her the peace of mind that she has now, but that is out of my hands, i will do the best i can do, and leave the rest to god, because what ever is in her destiny is already known to him, and only he can change it.
naliakbar 2 years ago
there are soo many emotions you go through when you are with a baby, it is amazing, but that is why children in islam is a blessing, we are given a different prespective of life with them in our arms.
take care
Ali
naliakbar 2 years ago
Our posts are going all over the place it seems. The difficulty of multiple topics.
I hear from you all the common thoughts I had when I first held mine. It is amazing the consistency of parenthood (especially on those who pursue God).
They truly are such a blessing and have taught me so much.
I'm envious of you getting to have those early baby days. (Not so envious of the diapers and missed sleep. LOL) But it only continues to get better. My daughter now is so independent, (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
such an intelligent girl (top 5% of nation by testing - proud papa can you tell?), my son is such a good natured soul - concerned with justice and what is fair and with such a good sense of humor.
They are so fun just to experience and watch become their own person.
Truly... congratulations.
Salaam my friend,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Where the problem with this line of thinking is Ali is WHO is being worshiped.
When I said you negate Christian Theology with your line of questioning, I think you misunderstand what I meant.
In other words, you ignore what Christian theology says and ask a question that is answered already if you understood the Christian theology.
This question is a perfect example.
Jesus is BOTH created and Eternal. He is BOTH in one being. He was FULLY HUMAN and FULLY GOD in one being.
jorsak 2 years ago
Scripture teaches us this specifically (Philippians 2:5-8 is one clear example.)
And thus, Christians do not worship the humanity of Jesus. We worship God and God alone. We do not worship multiple separate Gods. We worship One God in 3 persons.
And I from what I have witnessed of the Kaaba and the black stone, it is highly suspect that Muslims do not have idol worship in their faith... but I digress.
It is the misrepresentation of Christian theology (The dual nature of Christ) that (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
causes you to not understand our worship of Jesus. It is asking a question that once again violates what Christian theology says.
You say, Jesus is created and therefor worship of him is idolatry.
Yet, you ignore that Christianity teaches and HAS taught from the foundation that Jesus is BOTH fully God and fully man.
Thus... no idolatry to worship him and that is why Jesus clearly accepts worship (Proskuneo) on no less than 14 occasions in Matthew alone when he himself states that (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
no man is to receive worship (Proskuneo) in Luke 4:8.
Jesus would be making himself out to be a liar and would also be violating the law.
Even with the best fancy footwork, the muslim can only explain away a few of the "Worship" situations as "Paying respect" but it is clear and plainly evident that Jesus ALLOWED men to worship him in the truest sense of the word WORSHIP.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
It appears my comment on burial didn't post.
I stated that this was a good question. I spent a lot of time in study on it last night. Going to be impossible to recount it all here.
In short: Between 30BC and 70AD the Jews were in a transition to what became a practice that continued up until around the late 3rd century which was the use of Ossuaries (burial boxes).
Study up on that term and you will find what I have found.
Anointing with herbs became a common practice during (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
this time period.
Especially for people of high position and/or notoriety.
Thus, the terminology that it was customary in the Gospels.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Ali, my point (and this isn't my theology as it is plainly repeated scores of time by Jesus' own mouth) is that Jesus himself stated his purpose was to die (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34, etc.) He stated EXACTLY HOW he would die (Matthew 20:19, 26:2, etc.) and he stated exactly WHY he would die (Matthew 26:28). On top of that the Prophets were plainly clear on the subject as well. The detail of Isaiah 53 is amazing.
Delusion, no delusion, none of that matters at all. JESUS weighs in on (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
the subject in abundance. There is no argument that Jesus was clear about his intent to die. He even gave it to the Jews in Parable in Matthew 21. The Father sends the son to the vineyard and the kill the son. It's plain as day.
Were the Jews deluded? They were deluded enough not to recognize the Messiah when he came - just as was prophesied - and that's why at their prodding the romans killed him.
That's not my theology. A 4th grader (My daughter) reading the Gospels concludes that.
jorsak 2 years ago
Greetings Ali,
excellent questions that when studied reveal the truth of the crucifixion.
#1. The romans actually crucified Jesus - not the Jews. They did so in complete fulfillment of the prophecies of the Messiah in Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 which specifically state that he would be pierced through his hands and his feet.
#2. I'm not sure where you are getting your information my friend. It is a rather well documented fact that the Jews practiced this burial custom.
And I quote (Cont.):
jorsak 2 years ago
"Josephus records that forty pounds of spices were used at the funeral of the highly respected elder R. Gamaliel" (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 17c.8, s.3).
I could provide you scores of such quotes that demonstrate the historical fact that burial herbs was common practice for the dead.
#3. God is the same always. you made no point for me to rebut here so we will leave it at that.
#4. the ACTUAL phrase reads as follows:
"My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."
Jesus, the fully human, prayed that were it possible for this cup to be taken away, then please do so... yet NOT AS HE WILLED but as his Father willed.
The Father knew (AS did the prophets who agreed) that this was the only way.
The prayer of Jesus in this was simply saying in modern vernacular, "I'm not excited about what's about to go down here and if there's any other way... let's roll with that... but hey... not my plans but yours."
jorsak 2 years ago
Ali, My friend, the simple fact of the matter is this and I have demonstrated this repeatedly. No one has refuted it. It stands over and over again:
The prophets clearly speak of the messiahs death. Jesus CLEARLY states REPEATEDLY that he would die, HOW he would die (Yes he knew in ADVANCE HOW he would die) and he plainly states why.
You must do all sorts of philosophical theatrics to even TRY to cast doubt on that plainly clear truth.
At the end of the day it is clear (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
that the law of God requires sacrifice for the atonement of sin, the prophets clearly assert that the messiah would die for the transgressions of man and even HOW he would die, and the Messiah himself plainly and REPEATEDLY makes it clear that that was his mission and purpose.
I luv ya man, but it stands. The only rebuttal the Muslim can genuinely offer is "The Bible is corrupt" because to acknowledge the texts with intellectual honesty is to actual the crucifixion for sin.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Deedat is found of making assertions like scholar say that revelation was a dream of John. Really? What a load of garbage Deedat.
John himself states, "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,"
John saw a VISION (just as Mohamed SUPPOSEDLY saw)
John continues, "Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!" (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
SORRY Mr. Deedat it is not unclear AT ALL that this is speaking of Jesus and that it is JESUS who is talking.
he quotes umpteen verses abotu how Jesus' power isn't his and yet totally neglects to know / understand their context or forgets to MENTION that Jesus regularly asserts that HE chooses whom he wishes to give life to (John 5:22-23) and that ALL judgment is his. He forgets to mention that the pwoer of eternal life is JESUS' to give (John 10:28).
Man... is this guy full of falsehoods.
jorsak 2 years ago
nice video, love deedat. peace to all.
aref9494 2 years ago
Alhamdulillah :) thanks for sharing brother . it's very much appreciated . may allah reward you for your work.
SimoDluffy 2 years ago
Muhammad said Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like him died instead and that is fiction
He said God protected his prophets from such a death when Muhammad himself issued sura 5:33 which is slay or crucifiy or chase off the land those who resist invasion by Muslims
Even in modern times, Muslims in Sudan have crucified some Christians
Muslims ignore the quranic teachings do not fight over the religions because they desire to conquer Christians
BonjourNuit120 2 years ago
The Messiah was fortold to come and to go to the cross which Jesus did
After Jesus went to the cross and rose from the dead that is when Christianity came into existence not before
Jesus chose to go to the cross, no one forced him for he desired to convince his disciples that he is in all people on earth so that they could preach about the coming of the kingdom of God which entails people becoming aware of God's presence in their personal life
BonjourNuit120 2 years ago
0:46
can the childrens of the slave,s said "father iam not responsible for what you did" ?
whether the children like or not they are still the slave because of what the father did until someone paid them from the house of their master
flyingheavymetal 2 years ago
That's "exactly" what you are in by being a christian following blindly! Pick the example that fits. Anyway, although the example does not fit, but yes they can. The matter here is not about what you inherit physically nor who was your family!
coderiu 2 years ago
Rather, who accept being a salve and who is not! Dig into your history and read about African American for example. Do you still think that they are your salves as your ancestors-assuming you are white- were having them as salves ?! Think and do not just use your tongue.
coderiu 2 years ago
history wrote it down, and surly muhammad had alot of slaves dont you know that huh you stupid
and i just said about slave of sins, once you being slave of sins you will never ever be free untill you accept jesus as your saviour.
iam done, dont want to talk with the stupid people like you
byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
flyingheavymetal 2 years ago
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coderiu 2 years ago
Ok, how about you give us a prove of such a statement from prophet Jesus (pbuh) about such a statement of the original sin.
IslamLearning 2 years ago
if you are not born again with water and spirit, you can't enter into the Kingdom of God.
which is born of the flesh is flesh, which is born of the spirit is spirit.
so you must be born again or else you WONT understand what jesus said in the bible
like mr deedat.
so i dont need to tell you about SIN, becouse you wont understand, because you are still flesh,
yes iam flesh too but iam living in the spirit
so we are totally different
flyingheavymetal 2 years ago
No, sir. You don't understand. I was born and baptized in your church an d I listened to all this none sense Jebrish that you are talking about and about the human made concept of TRINITY AND ORIGINAL SIN which Prophet Jesus (pbuh) never said such thing in the bible at all. God opened my eyes and showed me the true path of salvation of Islam. So, Prophet Jesus Christ Said "handle me and see for a SPIRIT HAS NO FLESH AND BONE". Give me a statement by Jesus in which he said something different.
IslamLearning 2 years ago
iam not surprised that you are from christian convert to muslim even my father was muslim convert to christian, because the bible must fulfil " the first will be the last n the last will be the first.
yes i,d know that spirit has no bone, but if you heard living in the spirit that mean human being which is from flesh n bone is doing living in the spirit.
we,ve been teached to pray not only 5 or 10 times a day but pray in the spirit non stop.
flyingheavymetal 2 years ago
No, I don't want you to give me these stories. I want to read this statement from Prophet Jesus. Did he said anywhere in the bible that he will die for all the sins for human beings??? I don't want you to answer me with what you believe, I want a statement from Prophet Jesus from the Greek gospels clearly saying that HE WILL DIE ON THE CROSS FOR THE SINS OF HUMANITY. Please no more fairy tale stories.
IslamLearning 2 years ago
you said that you are ex christian and you were babtized but you dont know in what verse jesus said that he will die for the sins of mens
ooo my god
see, this is what i mean, if christian know nothing about the bible he will so simply fall into the unknown religion
o my god,
do i have to show you in what verse jesus said that he will die for the sins of mens ???
or do i have to go to the grave of deedat and ask him because he know better than you ?
o my god for give me
flyingheavymetal 2 years ago
Why don't you leave Mr Deedat alone. He tried his best with you guys but very few listened to him. This is also has nothing to do with me going to Islam as well. How about you bless us with the knowledge that you got from the holy spirit (the third god in trinity) and show us where did prophet Jesus himself said clearly that he will die on the cross for the sins of all mankind so that we can all be blessed by the third god (the holy spirit).
IslamLearning 2 years ago
Dear friend i know many christian people ( baptized and they claim the spirit is in them) but they have never been able to understand their own bible. the errors the contradictions the deception. i'm asking where is that spirit that you claim is in you? and they remain silent . same thing to you bro did the spirit taught you anything new ?
2nd don't confuse people with your Flesh and bones stories we're on 21 century people don't believe such stories anymore :)
have a nice week :)
SimoDluffy 2 years ago
because seeing they don't see, and hearing, they don't hear, neither do they understand.
In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says, 'By hearing you will hear, And will in no way understand; Seeing you will see, And will in no way perceive:
mr deedat can study the bible day and night and he can save every verse,s in his head but i say unto you, he will never ever understand until he born again with water and spirit and REPENT
flyingheavymetal 2 years ago
They should play this video on a Big screen in times square. This video rocks the entire foundation of Christianity. It disects it inch by inch, proving there are grave errors and contradictions. Ahmed Deedat may Allah grant u paradise at its highest level.The Christians were even laughing because they knew he had points which they could not reject or refute.
supermaz2002 2 years ago
Can Jesus bbuh can talk false like 3 days and 3nights, he mentions another thing?how?I respect Jesus pbuh and I think he was exact!
bekzot89 2 years ago
This gentleman does not seem to have a good understanding of Catholic Dogma. We believe in the Resurrection of the Body. Which means Christ did indeed have a body(a Glorified Body) after the Resurrection.
evi410 2 years ago
BonJourNuit Always makes no sense He is such a sad person honestly he has been at it for years and most of his lies have been answered except he repeats them over and over like a propaganda Zionist machine.
However his ignorance makes him look like fool publicly so that satisfies me Hehe...
hanysal 2 years ago
BonjourNuit37 you are a ignorant pig and need to go learn more about islam before you start running you mouth acting like you're some type of expert.
thetruth27391 2 years ago
the christian god is not a god afterall but is just human after all. thanks for proving my case.
elantedronai 2 years ago
anyone who believes jesus is god or was god is frankly an ignorant or a fool.
what kind of god lives in woman's womb for 9 months, eats, drinks and no doubt excretes like a human, seduced by the devil, killed on a cross and lays dead for 3 days.
you call that god? what a bunch of dumb lies.
elantedronai 2 years ago
what frankly ignorant is how you are still making refuted points like 'what kind of god lives in woman's womb for 9 months, eats, drinks and no doubt excretes like a human, seduced by the devil, killed on a cross and lays dead for 3 days' those points have been refuted/destroyed/abolised/maimed and fucked up the ass. take your own advise and READ the bible and LEARN what is the message. you should be embarressed. 'what kind of god eats and shits and pees' PERVERT!!!
forzaitalia2 2 years ago
i am not being a pervert. you say jesus was god. i say how can jesus be god?
how can you have a god that eats and drinks, gets circumcised, gets murdered on the cross, gets seduced by the devil etc etc.
if that is your god, more power to you. God is all powerful and he has no human atrributes.
elantedronai 2 years ago 5
thats where christian god and muslim god is defferent and not the same!
forzaitalia2 2 years ago
Yes We Muslims have a much better concept of God.
hanysal 2 years ago
Muhammad claimed Jesus never died on the cross but another who looked like him died in his place
Christianity only came into existence After Jesus went to the cross and rose from the dead otherwise there would be no Christianity
Jesus helped the poor and healed the sick but Muhammad robbed and slaughtered the poor
Jesus forgave those who crucified him but Muhammad crucified those who rejected him sura 5:33
Jesus taught love but Muhammad taught war
BonjourNuit37 2 years ago
Who is Umar?
The most important covenant that God made with Abraham was that God said loud and clear that God himself chose not Ishmael who was Abraham's first born son but that God chose Isaac the second son to carry as Everlasting the covenant thus prophetic line that means Ishmael was never a prophet and no descendents of his ever became prophets and that means Muhammad himself who claimed he descended from Ishmael was never a prophet of God
For God does not forget his promises
BonjourNuit37 2 years ago
Deedat tried to say Rev is invalid because it was but a dream of John
yet when Muhammad had a dream that he flew on a winged donkey into heaven from Jerusalem the Muslims then built the Dome of the Rock on the Holy site of the Jews
When dreams serve Muslims then they don't care what others think
God himself said Love your Neighbour but Muhammad said wage war with the non believer as is your neighbour
Who is lying?
Rev remains valid, without needing the acceptance of Muslims
BonjourNuit37 2 years ago
you can only tell this BonjourNuit15 that he is a liar & give him a spit from the bottom of ur throat.
For every & each claim he's got is filled with lies and misconceptions.
- Paganism WAS the predominant religion in those "Semitic" lands.
- Not only jews are semites, also Arabs are semites and many Arab tribes are RECORDED to have been living in the lands CONTROLLED by the Roman christians.
- Christians are and were never oppressed in the middle east. Only in ur filthy Zionist fantasies.
FireFlyWW 2 years ago
Because I am in a human body susceptible to death as others, you think you can give me your spit from the bottom of your throat which is Islam
Your desire to spit in my space is equal to spitting in God's face for that is how ignorant you are of God's presence in our world
I told you repeatedly I do not lie because I am not a Muslim as only Muslims lie for Islam for Islam is not the truth because Islam is not God and only God is the truth
Islam is not from God but from man using God
BonjourNuit37 2 years ago
A zionist & a little racist bastard too ?
living in hallucinations & fantasies.
let me see if u're so knowledgeable with ur book or u read like a pothead.
(And moreover she is indeed my sister, the daughter of my father, but not the daughter
of my mother; and she became my wife)
Genesis 20:12
Now according to jewish law, what's a better son? a son from a "slave" woman? or a son from a sister? :)
Wake up from things that u smoke before u read ur books & come puke crap out of ur filthy mouth.
FireFlyWW 2 years ago
what an ignorant bastard !! LOL
He talks about Islam as he knows best, and he doesn't even know Umar !! LOL
Man.. you make a fool out of urself by defecating this puke in here :)
Or, you know what? Keep typing like a clown, we're being entertained in here. Like a an intoxicated fool who's making a funny scene in public :)
FireFlyWW 2 years ago
No I don't know Umar but I do know God never made a covenant with him just as God never called Muhammad to be a prophet
and That I do know and the hatred and violence and deceptions in the Quran proves Islam is not from God but from man using God
You can resort to insults all you want as it is your religion to hate which makes you stand on the side of satan
but your insults won't save your eternal soul
BonjourNuit5 2 years ago
I stand on the side of the Zionists not on the side of the Muslims
Gen 20:12 is of Abraham which is your model
Muhammad married a 6 year old, he took his adopted son's wife and to do so he claimed God no longer honoured adoption, Muhammad sold women as slaves
and Muhammad taught men are superior to women, that men can do anything to women and that if men die fighting for Islam God will reward them with dancing houris when Paradise is knowing God who is with all people on earth
BonjourNuit5 2 years ago
Turkey, Egypt, Syrian, Iraq were Christian nations with large Jewish populations
These nations were invaded by Muslims who believe it is their right to dominate others
Muslim domination turned these nations backwards and poor
as Islam is only a man made religion using God to conquer and to oppress others for only Islam is the only religion on earth that began with a mass murderer and pedophile and God never uses such men to guide men to the truth
BonjourNuit37 2 years ago
Jews are a better breed of people then Muslims
See how tiny a piece of land the Jews have, yet you Muslims want to take it from them but the next time you try to take it from them, Islam will be no more for God will destroy Islam that is from Satan
Whether you live to see it or not, your own soul will learn that only Islam is not from God but from man using God to perpetuate hell on earth
Your own fantasy is you think you stand on the side of God when you stand on the side of Satan
BonjourNuit37 2 years ago
Colonalism began when the pirating Turks prevented Europeans from obtaining the spices they needed to perserve their meats
Colonal invasion of the New World was not based on Jesus' instructions however the Dome of the Rock serves as a testimony of Muhammad's hatred towards Jews which Muhammad did teach
The diffence between Colonalism and Islamic invasion is that Islam itself is a religion of war against all non Muslims and that fact is from instructions in the Quran
BonjourNuit15 2 years ago
Christian Middle East was invaded by the Muslims who used terror, violence to maintain power over them
The Dome of the Rock is evidence of Islamic invasion when they all knew this was the Holy Land of the Jews
Eighty or more years ago, 1.3 million Christian Aramenians were slaughtered by the Muslims as throughout the ages Christians are oppressed and when something goes wrong, their homes and businesses are burnt and they are attacked
BonjourNuit15 2 years ago
Paganism came before Christianity but during the time of Muhammad the entire Middle East was predominatedly Christian with a large Jewish population and lingering pagan groups
Paganism was mostly prevalent in Saudi Arabia as Muhammad himself had been a pagan and Allah the moon god was but one of 350 gods
A true God means no one can exist outside of God
God is all there is so there can not be other gods there can only be false beliefs added before God which Muhammad has done
BonjourNuit15 2 years ago
The entire Middle East including Turkey and Egypt was Christian with large Jewish populations
Islam began in Suadi Arabia then the Muslims invaded the Middle East and forced all these nations to convert to Islam for it is in the Quran to conquer the world for Islam
If there are Christians in these nations, they are now the minority and oppressed
Ask yourself what is the Dome of the Rock doing in Jerusalem for it is a symbol of Islamic invasion for it has no right to be there
BonjourNuit15 2 years ago
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Muhammad said Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like Jesus died instead
Muhammad said about Christianity was false to instigate hate in order to wage war with the Christians
sura 61:6 Jesus never announced the coming of the apostle the ahmad
Jesus said the Holy Spirit that lives in all people on earth will come
Instead of fighting over other people's religions question the Quran which is a man made religion of hatred violence and oppression serving not God but Satan
BonjourNuit7 2 years ago
this should not be a war, if everyone practiced islam (Allah's word) all problems would be solved and there will be no more.
anyway think it will continue because people got eyes but cant see they got a brain but cant use it.
people are just brainwashed and living fast life.
lond777 2 years ago
muslims love everyone and everything Allah (god) has created.
i know its probably harder for non muslims not knowing the truth and letting there ego get the better of them, they trying to enjoy this life as much they can making this world like hell.
it is so openly clear what is going on today and who is seeking power and who is just trying to keep pride.
lond777 2 years ago
Islam is a religion of war against all non Muslims on earth.
From the first to the last page is only hatred and violence towards all those who rejected Muhammad for he said those who make a distinction between Allah and his apostle, who accept one but reject the other, sura 4:150 are the unbelievers and will be chastised
as if Muhammad was God's partner
Since Islam is a religion of war against all non believers on earth it follows that the Quran would teach other lies
BonjourNuit129 2 years ago
Muhammad pretended to praise Jesus but he used Jesus instead and he downsized Jesus
Jesus never would announce with glad tidyings the coming of Muhammad as Muhammad tried to say in sura 61:6, when Muslims slaughtered both Jews and Christians to this day, when Muhammad said Jesus didn't die on the cross but another who looked like Jesus died instead, when Muhammad accused Christians of believing in 2 gods plus Mary as a god just so Muhammad could justify waging war with them
BonjourNuit129 2 years ago
so did Jesus or did he not stay inside the earth for 3 days and 3 nights? gee this Douglas guy is confusing..he's going round and round the circle
lolybeckz 2 years ago
i love Ahmad Deedat رحمه الله
usethe23 2 years ago
Sub'hana Allah sheikh Deedat Inshaállah janat firdaus, ALlah Irhamak
gupigesasa 2 years ago
The truly AMAZING thing is that the Quran categorically and irrefutably CONTRADICTS ITSELF regarding the Crucifixion.
Sura 5.14 declares God made a Covenant with the Christians.
THERE IS ONLY ONE COVENANT CHRISTIANS HAVE WITH GOD, and it was ESTABISHED and RATIFIED by the sacrifice and DEATH of Jesus Christ on the CROSS.
Sura 5.14 makes 4.157 out to be a complete lie.
Texas75023 2 years ago
the prophets before jesus peace be upon him all preached (monotheism) one god. none of da previous prophets or messengers said to they people jesus peace be upon him is god almighty. if christianity is da correct belief does that mean that all those that do not follow christianity are the inmates of hell,jesus peace be upon him is word of god and the spririt of god he also raised the dead cured the blind and the cured the leper all this is told in the holy quran plz reply o and keep it civil.
Mrtruthfulspeaks 2 years ago
MrT, Jesus also taught God is ECHAD, One UNITED. Christians do not believe in 3 Gods. This is an error told to you because the author of the Quran did not understand the Trinity.
The Author thought God, Jesus and Mary were the Trinity. He was confused by the teaching of the Holy Spirit because He did not understand it.
JESUS said 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, NO MAN comes unto the Father, BUT BY ME'. Do you believe Jesus was a Prophet? If you do consider HIS WORDS, my friend.
Texas75023 2 years ago
prophets before jesus peace be upon him all preached (monotheism) one god. none of da previous prophets or messengers said to they people jesus peace be upon him is god. u belief, christianity is da correct belief so does that mean that all those that do not follow christianity are the inmates of hell,jesus peace be upon him is word of god and the spririt of god he also raised the dead cured the blind and the cured the leper all this is told in the holy quran the plz reply o and keep it civil.
Mrtruthfulspeaks 2 years ago
MrT, Jesus also taught God is ECHAD, One UNITED. Christians do not believe in 3 Gods. This is an error told to you because the author of the Quran did not understand the Trinity.
The Author thought God, Jesus and Mary were the Trinity. He was confused by the teaching of the Holy Spirit because He did not understand it.
JESUS said 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, NO MAN comes unto the Father, BUT BY ME'. Do you believe Jesus was a Prophet? If you do consider HIS WORDS, my friend.
Texas75023 2 years ago
Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
The Bible is perfect in every sense and does not contradict itself, like your corrupt scriptures that have been altered, deleted, etc. As for the 'Covenant' that you boast so much about, if you read your Bible carefully, you will see that Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's words prove Islam and disprove Christianity. You follow conjectures, and you do nothing but lie. Wake up and embrace Islam before it is too late for you
BeholderGuard 2 years ago
The truly AMAZING thing is that the Quran categorically and irrefutably CONTRADICTS ITSELF regarding the Crucifixion.
Sura 5.14 declares God made a Covenant with the Christians.
THERE IS ONLY ONE COVENANT CHRISTIANS HAVE WITH GOD, and it was ESTABLISHED and RATIFIED by the sacrifice and DEATH of Jesus Christ on the CROSS.
Sura 5.14 makes 4.157 out to be a complete lie.
The ONLY mental argument that can be made is to claim a fantasy (of SOME OTHER UNKNOWN Covenant) as foundational fact.
Texas75023 2 years ago
Texas, i would like to know do CHRISTIANS say in boast that they killed Jesus(as)? is it a christian claim? if it is christians that are boasting that they killed jesus then you are right, if not then you are deluded:
004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts...
naliakbar 2 years ago
nali, that is a NON-SEQUITOR, my friend. It is IRRELEVANT to the Contradiction in the Quran.
Sura 4.157 CLAIMS, WITHOUT providing an ATOM of evidence, that Jesus was NEITHER (meaning 2 things follow, and the statement applies to BOTH).
Jesus was NEITHER Crucified NOR killed.
That means the Quran claims Jesus WAS NOT KILLED, and Jesus WAS NOT EVEN CRUCIFIED.
It does NOT address or give detail if Jesus was SCOURGED and WHIPPED or suffered ANY OTHER way.
But THIS contradicts 5.14
Texas75023 2 years ago
from what you state about verse 4.157, your claim is that in order for there to be a contradication that in verse 5.14 it must state that jesus was infact killed or crucified.
the quran sates for that verse: 005.014
YUSUFALI: From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them...
the verse continues but does not mention anything to do with crucifixion.
so i am confused about the logic you are using?
naliakbar 2 years ago
nali, I give you more credit than that, my friend.
It is clear from the text of the Quran that Mohammed knew very little about Christianty, even while he presumed to criticize it.
The Crucifixion is front and center on the list of items Mohammed knew nothing about, BECAUSE nali, the Crucifixion is the CENTRAL FOUNDATION of the entire Covenant.
It is WHY the New Testament is CALLED the New Testament. It is dependent on THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR, Jesus.
Texas75023 2 years ago
nali(2) Jesus taught about His New Covenant and that HE was establishing it WITH HIS BLOOD and WITH HIS BODY, meaning His Death by Crucifixion, my friend.
This is SO CENTRAL, it is why Satan has tried explicitly to deny it with the Quran in Mohammedism. In fact, denial of the Crucifixion is pretty much the ONLY reason that Mohammedism exists.
You CANNOT name any other single religion on Earth that Mohammed singled out to speak directly against the actions of their Leader OR their Covenant.
Texas75023 2 years ago