Nice information/demo... I'm going to use this technique to construct a solar wax melter rather than a home air heater... I'm also encouraged to see your messy shop area as it makes me feel so much better about my own! Wishing you well... I spend my coffee breaks watching your vids!
The main issue I have with this design is the relatively high reflectivity of the glass when the sun is at an angle to the panel. In effect, although the round profile of the cans may be ideal for absorbing solar radiation at various angles, much of the sunlight will be reflected from the front glass before it even reaches the cans. This problem may be reduced by using anti-reflective glass, similar to that used on commercial PV solar panels, however, it is expensive.
Interesting theory and presentation. However the cans or corrugated may actually increase the surface area heated by the sun from various angles. I have no data to back this up but it is the surface area heated and not the surface area of the glass that counts. If I am correct a panel made with corrugated will win catch more heat.
it doesnt get to 0 degrees in florida....I built a pop can heater that saved me 300 hundred gallons of heating oil through the winter. I also used a therm sliding glass door so at 220 degrees that my pop can heater gets it wont crack in the heat. with yours I would like to see some cold weather numbers and money savings
Craigs list has dryers for free all the time that could be repourposed for this. Most of the energy consumption is in the heating elements you could keep your indoor setup and dry outside when conditions are right for it. Provided you have the space for it.
Make it a system where the air that exhaust would heat the lower side of your collector and allow the moisture to vent but try to retain as much of tha heat that you could. If you have the land for it build a shed with solar water and air for washing all you would need to do is run an extension cord 110 to the shed or go solar. This is for those that wash in the day time we have few stay at homes but kids come home at 3 could take care of a load..
@cdltpx A solid desiccant could be added to the solar heater to remove the hot water vapor from the dryer's vented air. You would have two one that was drying air and one that was regenerating. They switch out. During the regeneration step the blower from the dryer would not vent air and a valve would open to allow steam to vent from the solar heated desiccant. That vented steam could also be vented to a heat exchanger that would heat the dry air up that was exiting the other solar heater.
if you live in a colder environment, get multiple layers of glass going to provide a thermal barrier.
as long as the glass is clear, the inside layer that the air flows through will heat really well, and the outer layers will insulate the inner layers. thus providing a barrier against heat loss while still providing the heat you are trying to acquire.
of course, more layers will increase the cost of the project, and possibly reduce the final energy aquired, but it might work well enough.
Dan imagine if we had a lot of these for the air intake you could take an electric dryer that had a bad heating element pepourpose it for clothes drying that would act just like a heating element. I bet you could get the same result placing a bunch of black plastic pipes in direct sun light it would allow good air flow and cut your electric bill with out the inconvience of hanging out the clothes.Reduce grid overloading too.
@cdltpx Replaced a heating element few weeks ago :) The blower blows air right on the element. So to do this modification you suggest would not be too difficult. Just run an air duct pipe from the dryers blower to the solar heater and a return hose to the exit port of the dryer's heating element.
Also people need to remember that tempered glass cannot usually be cut, only plate glass can be cut. The choice then is to purchase or find the right size of glass needed first, usually temperred glass, but plate glass can work - which can be cut if need be.
With the aluminum pipes/cans systems, people need to remember to uses the full size of the glass for heat collection, and not use part of it to cover the header/distributer chambers. Glass is sometimes hard to find and should be used for maximum heat collection. The header should be disigned around that then.
I just rescued a double pane sliding glass door in the frame. I was going to use aluminium gutter downspouts painted black. It's gonna be a little heavy but I won't be moving it.
Dan, i used a piece of corrogated aluminum from a mobile home...i have drawings id be happy to send you via email..or anyone else who is viewing this vid..pm me an address and ill send them to you..i get 200 degrees out of mine in the winter..sub 32degree day..passive solar energy is not high tech and very cost effective...Great VID!
Richallenmusic has made solar heaters with and without glueing the cans together. He found a larger heat gain by adding cans, painting them black and just having the air flow around them instead of through them. Check out his videos here on youtube, they are quite interesting also.
Your reasoning may SOUND logical. But in the real world, such attempts at reasoning are usually minefields. A simple test, side-by-side comparison--with identical fans to move air through, and looking at the air temps as an equal amount of air is moved through, is the only way to know which system is better, cans or open box.
Good stuff ...Yes the Can heaters are ok ....But are very time consuming to build ....I have found that the best way to build a really good high heat output heater , is to use tile and 2 panes of glass with 1/2" air gap between the panes ..I have hit 300 degrees with tile , and the heat will stay a while even after the sun is down ...
You can't assume the glass is square. Always leave a little wiggle room for the glass to move cause glass in a bind breaks. It expands and contracts with temperature so don't lock it in place with anything that can't flex with it. Never set the edge of a piece of glass down on concrete. Put a board or cardboard under it. Clean anything that won't wash off with a new single edged razor blade, an old dull one will scratch it.
@aleko11 If your interested this site will help with that, everyone could benefit from a little critical thinking in there arguments, criticalthinking[dot]org[dot]uk/unit2/
Nice information/demo... I'm going to use this technique to construct a solar wax melter rather than a home air heater... I'm also encouraged to see your messy shop area as it makes me feel so much better about my own! Wishing you well... I spend my coffee breaks watching your vids!
HTCSWEOD 2 months ago
will it crak when get heated by the expansion ?
ingesumadre 5 months ago
Why not use a steam powered table saw?
SolarizeYourLife 8 months ago
Good knowledge about force air heater solar. thank you.
saijai587 9 months ago
This video is very useful.
kopi5896 9 months ago
Thank you for sharing.
minami935 9 months ago
The main issue I have with this design is the relatively high reflectivity of the glass when the sun is at an angle to the panel. In effect, although the round profile of the cans may be ideal for absorbing solar radiation at various angles, much of the sunlight will be reflected from the front glass before it even reaches the cans. This problem may be reduced by using anti-reflective glass, similar to that used on commercial PV solar panels, however, it is expensive.
sparktastic1 1 year ago
Interesting theory and presentation. However the cans or corrugated may actually increase the surface area heated by the sun from various angles. I have no data to back this up but it is the surface area heated and not the surface area of the glass that counts. If I am correct a panel made with corrugated will win catch more heat.
itbarthur4u 1 year ago
dmn man im already a fan of you :D. Your doing a great job and our videos are really fun to watch but mostly interesting
AweSomo84 1 year ago
alien technology
miroradev 1 year ago
You're the best Dan. Cheers from San Diego.
Zimmermania 1 year ago
this is what i call Inovative peoples and realy creative i support this kind of peoples
jejeroy 1 year ago
Hi Dan, I am ready for video 3!!
Rene33el29 1 year ago
Oh God Dan... I wish you'd lay me across the glass table and force heat me!!
callmeshane303 1 year ago
it doesnt get to 0 degrees in florida....I built a pop can heater that saved me 300 hundred gallons of heating oil through the winter. I also used a therm sliding glass door so at 220 degrees that my pop can heater gets it wont crack in the heat. with yours I would like to see some cold weather numbers and money savings
MrBlackfoot66 1 year ago
that piece of glass looks really thick. I think it would cost more than $25.
gcdrummer02 1 year ago
like the self portrait!
killerdoug1 1 year ago
I would love to see this installed and functioning!
Tankable 1 year ago
Your video titles are such a jumble of words. I love it.
brt5470 1 year ago
what does the finished project looks like, and does it work? can you show us please?
corduroy99 1 year ago
I am glad you did a vid on this bud.
sylvanenergy 1 year ago 2
"You could use it for...I don't know; hobbies or whatever." Lol!
Frosttty 1 year ago 11
You have too much puddles in your working place, friggin mosquito paradise...
Naturepheonix 1 year ago
@Naturepheonix Where do you live? Such nice weather, I definitely need to check that area out!
Naturepheonix 1 year ago
Almost remnds me of Norm Abram...
lezbriddon 1 year ago
could you use an old sliding glass door?
27falcor 1 year ago
@27falcor Yes,
Any window glass will work.
GREENPOWERSCIENCE 1 year ago
i have spare window from a space shuttle, will that let in enough radiation?
Pimpmastahanhduece 1 year ago
good wood working
GatheringSticks 1 year ago
Craigs list has dryers for free all the time that could be repourposed for this. Most of the energy consumption is in the heating elements you could keep your indoor setup and dry outside when conditions are right for it. Provided you have the space for it.
cdltpx 1 year ago
Make it a system where the air that exhaust would heat the lower side of your collector and allow the moisture to vent but try to retain as much of tha heat that you could. If you have the land for it build a shed with solar water and air for washing all you would need to do is run an extension cord 110 to the shed or go solar. This is for those that wash in the day time we have few stay at homes but kids come home at 3 could take care of a load..
cdltpx 1 year ago
@cdltpx A solid desiccant could be added to the solar heater to remove the hot water vapor from the dryer's vented air. You would have two one that was drying air and one that was regenerating. They switch out. During the regeneration step the blower from the dryer would not vent air and a valve would open to allow steam to vent from the solar heated desiccant. That vented steam could also be vented to a heat exchanger that would heat the dry air up that was exiting the other solar heater.
pinkytm1 1 year ago
Great job on the video Dan. looks like a good how to series. I love the instructional detail. surface area is the key.
MUDDy
muddymuddymuddmann 1 year ago
if you live in a colder environment, get multiple layers of glass going to provide a thermal barrier.
as long as the glass is clear, the inside layer that the air flows through will heat really well, and the outer layers will insulate the inner layers. thus providing a barrier against heat loss while still providing the heat you are trying to acquire.
of course, more layers will increase the cost of the project, and possibly reduce the final energy aquired, but it might work well enough.
enderwigginsx 1 year ago
Thumbs up for self portrait!
uglybob6666 1 year ago
Dan imagine if we had a lot of these for the air intake you could take an electric dryer that had a bad heating element pepourpose it for clothes drying that would act just like a heating element. I bet you could get the same result placing a bunch of black plastic pipes in direct sun light it would allow good air flow and cut your electric bill with out the inconvience of hanging out the clothes.Reduce grid overloading too.
cdltpx 1 year ago
@cdltpx Replaced a heating element few weeks ago :) The blower blows air right on the element. So to do this modification you suggest would not be too difficult. Just run an air duct pipe from the dryers blower to the solar heater and a return hose to the exit port of the dryer's heating element.
pinkytm1 1 year ago
Also people need to remember that tempered glass cannot usually be cut, only plate glass can be cut. The choice then is to purchase or find the right size of glass needed first, usually temperred glass, but plate glass can work - which can be cut if need be.
trailkeeper 1 year ago
With the aluminum pipes/cans systems, people need to remember to uses the full size of the glass for heat collection, and not use part of it to cover the header/distributer chambers. Glass is sometimes hard to find and should be used for maximum heat collection. The header should be disigned around that then.
trailkeeper 1 year ago
cant wait to see part two!!!
RamoneTalarico 1 year ago
Thats just great. Have you done any GEET videos like the over 200 videos on youtube? Considering that almost everyone on France has one?
analyzingfunny 1 year ago
I just rescued a double pane sliding glass door in the frame. I was going to use aluminium gutter downspouts painted black. It's gonna be a little heavy but I won't be moving it.
599891 1 year ago
Dan, i used a piece of corrogated aluminum from a mobile home...i have drawings id be happy to send you via email..or anyone else who is viewing this vid..pm me an address and ill send them to you..i get 200 degrees out of mine in the winter..sub 32degree day..passive solar energy is not high tech and very cost effective...Great VID!
centervilletn 1 year ago
Put some old corrugated metal in there, easy and cheap and will increase surface area.
MrROTD 1 year ago
Richallenmusic has made solar heaters with and without glueing the cans together. He found a larger heat gain by adding cans, painting them black and just having the air flow around them instead of through them. Check out his videos here on youtube, they are quite interesting also.
KayakFisher01 1 year ago
Argon double pane, raw power.
ohmslaw111 1 year ago
Your reasoning may SOUND logical. But in the real world, such attempts at reasoning are usually minefields. A simple test, side-by-side comparison--with identical fans to move air through, and looking at the air temps as an equal amount of air is moved through, is the only way to know which system is better, cans or open box.
GetMeThere1 1 year ago
what's the song at the beginning?
corryn00 1 year ago
Good stuff ...Yes the Can heaters are ok ....But are very time consuming to build ....I have found that the best way to build a really good high heat output heater , is to use tile and 2 panes of glass with 1/2" air gap between the panes ..I have hit 300 degrees with tile , and the heat will stay a while even after the sun is down ...
jdcmusicman 1 year ago
Things I've found out about glass the hard way:
You can't assume the glass is square. Always leave a little wiggle room for the glass to move cause glass in a bind breaks. It expands and contracts with temperature so don't lock it in place with anything that can't flex with it. Never set the edge of a piece of glass down on concrete. Put a board or cardboard under it. Clean anything that won't wash off with a new single edged razor blade, an old dull one will scratch it.
breezebro 1 year ago
Seriously, who do we direct a letter writing campaign at to get the OP here a damned MacArthur genius grant?
bamboo4tameshigiri 1 year ago
well explained great vids as always
godsend420 1 year ago
I like that you get to a variety of skills in one project.
Probewitch 1 year ago
very nice argument about the cans.
aleko11 1 year ago
@aleko11 If your interested this site will help with that, everyone could benefit from a little critical thinking in there arguments, criticalthinking[dot]org[dot]uk/unit2/
Elephantintheroom01 1 year ago
Nice Video. Pretty Informal.
I'm a tell my science teacher about u.
XxMEVANSxX 1 year ago
sxe phil theam tune!
lexthegoose 1 year ago