... Smash64 jiggly has best hit box of his other ssb sports but to someone who is skilled it doesnt matter they are all same... just depends how fast you can transmit brain function to your hands thinking a little before it really happens
Uh, no. You can't tech out of that. And yeah, you could DI out of that but you can DI out of anything. The training mode combos don't take DI into account.
saying that brawl sucks is as stupid as saying that pasta sucks. It all depends in likes. If you like more melee or ssb64 then play them, you don't get nothing by saying other people that the games they like suck.
then say "I don´t like it" because the "get over it" is like saying that he should agree with you. Well sry too extend the fight, Its just people keep saying "brawl sucks" and I think is an opinion one should keep for himself. Further more, all those reasons why you or anyone think brawl sucks (hit stun, floaty, camping, etc) are just factors that depends in people likes. Still, I'll apologize myself because it seems my reply offended you.
What you say is correct, however, there is a difference. In boxing you can actually do something about it. Same way with any other competition, you can improve your power, your stamina, etc. In Brawl we're stuck with what we're given, and so some characters, like meta, will always have an edge.
Yes, perfect statement. I forgot to link my previous one to Brawl/Smash in general; this is why tiers will always exist since a character cannot simply "get better".
I partly disagree with you on that. Any character can indirectly become better, but not thanks to the creators of the game. Take a look at some of Melee's characters; as time went by, some characters were known to have advanced techniques (for example, the chain-grab), while others haven't. Fox had an edge in tiers, thanks to the Fox-trot. (not that I support tiers, but it's what defines "good characters")
What I'm trying to say is that any character can become better; we just have to want it.
Simply wanting a character to get better isn't going to happen unless there's some exploits that the creators don't know about. It really has to depend on luck for a technique to pop up.
For example, in Brawl, Ike's most likely going to have a very bad matchup against Meta Knight, no matter what kind of technique is found.
Still, we're all essentially agreeing on one thing: tiers exist, and are undeniable. Of course, they do not have to be liked.
Indeed, tiers exist and are here to stay, as it seems. Honestly, what is the point, having tiers anyway? It's not like they change anything about Smash Bros.
But there is a very negative thing regarding tiers. I remember that, when I first started playing Melee, my first pick was Mewtwo (which, btw, I was no pushover with). But all of my fellow smashers kept saying "Haha, Mewtwo's bottom tier, you fail!", and stuff like that. Basically, players might give up on their main due to this.
Melee jiggs doesn't need to infinite when she can kill most of the cast at 0% to 20% with one rest, and most definitely the entire cast with any percent higher without superb smash DI.
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Brawl is awesome.
and jiggs a great character.
you just saw an infinate combo with jiggs yet you still think shes shit. well its not like you could do any better so dont flame other people for your lack of skill.
i never said jiggs aint awesome.. jiggs is great in ssb64 melee.. but she is shit in brawl.. and no brawl is fucking horible .. thsi is SSB64 i hope you realize
just because somethings were taken out doesn't mean it is bad game. Its actually the best game on the Wii right now. Melee doesn't even begin compare to how great brawl is.
brawl= slow as fuck no combos becuase of no hitstun... no advanced techs worth mentioning ... everyone has rediculous recoverys.... oh and endless air dodges..
melee= crazy combo posibilitys... tons of techs which make the game face and intense... wavedashing/ l- cancling/ sffl/ float cancle/ triangle jump/ fox trot/ dash dance
well the fact that Brawl has all of those techniques taken out is exactly why Brawl is an improvement over Melee. Just because Melee had those moves doesn't mean everyone knew how to use them. Not everyone can play as competetively, and not everyone can play as well as you, the pros or whatever. Thats why Brawl is better. Because everyone can play, and not just those who look down on those who arent as good.
umm, the fact there is no dedermanable skill level in brawl?... what si their in other fighting games that allow you to become great.. doing.. things no one else knwos how to do.. or sc4 comboing / guard breaking... brawl is a party game at best with no competition, any idiot can grab a controll and be good... thats why brawl sucks... also...
in melee you did have to learn thigns to be atleast soemwhat good and thats what set it apart form brawl.. the fact that skill did matter
another comment yup, your probably one of those 14 year olds who never even fucking palyed a super smash bros game before brawl came out beucase your mommy and daddy bought it for you on your childs toy wii... pussy shit learn a real game melee.
also another improvement were the characters. Everyone was completely equal in that game and they eliminated Tiers. That way no one can be blamed for picking a top tier if they were to win with one of them. Some characters may have been taken out but it was hardly a loss since all of the clones(the worst set back of melee) were taken out.
And Brawl had more stages, charatcers, Music and more mode altogether.
umm neta / snake?... brawl is horible balanced and match-ups are so shitty its rediculous.. and everyone in melee had a chance to be good with their charector... lets se some you probs have no idea about.. hugs(samus), anther(pika) , chu( pichu, ice climbers) , taj( m2) , gimpy(bowser).... the fact is that if you acually were skilled with mindgames, tech skill you could become great with any char every char had a pro in melee some had lots more....
the stages dont matter since if your playing at a tourney 90% of them aretaken out because of unfair advantedges... the chars big deal.. and the bigest problem is their balancing for adding the new chars sucked.. nearly all the new chars were incredibly strong........ music ok now your talking aobut stuff that dosent even apply to competitive smash.. your adding stuff that is about a party game rather than a fighting game based on competition.
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see thats the thing, I dont care for competition. all that is just a load of bull crap. melee just isn't fun because of all of you tounament fags out there. thats why melee isn't as good as brawl. not everyone can play competitively. Also not everyone wants to do that, so you can't force the entire game to be played competitively because you have good hand reflexes. not everyone does!
exactly.... brawl = a childish game for noobs ... might be fun.. a.k.a a party game built for every1 its no bettter than mario party
melee= competition.. and the only reason there was 8 years of tournaments.. and some still going on....
melee is a game for people who want to be good and get good... thast the fact its a game for people who enjyo competition not just turning the wii on whenever some buds come aorund and play for 10 mins.
O.o wow...so you honestly believe that some people would lose without Advanced techniques? Also, that Brawl...BRAWL is even? Metaknight anyone? Or how about how bad some characters are? The game is NOT even. Also...it's been proven that even without Advanced Techniques, "tourney fags" are still better. There's no need to be rude about it. You can argue that Brawl is better...maybe graphically...but that's it. Each game shines in their own way. Don't get mad if you can't win. No Johns.
Yes, I honestly belive that people would lose without advanced techniques. These techniques take alot of reflexes. And in Fighting games, reflexes are just about the only thing that matters. Sure there maybe some other good moves, but without the reflexes, they are pretty much useless.
I really dont see the problem with MetaKnight... none of the characters are hardly even a threat. But I assume since I'm not a "touney fag" it doesn't matter what I would say about it...
They don't really take reflexes, just repetition. I l-cancel without even thinking about it, even in Brawl I find myself l-cancelling even though it doesn't work in that game.
The average smash bros player doesn't know adv. techniques exist. The average tourney goer just has a significant grasp on any number of them. I learned adv. techniques just for the hell of it, I don't go to tourneys. They're pretty fun to use in battle and I like being able to move fast so that's why I practiced them.
your just dumb i mean seriously... " the average".. yes the point is that the average player is going o have fun no matter what they do.. but mabey people who wanna excell at the gaem want thigns that will allow them to excell... a.k.a mindgames.. and techs... but... if their are none just every1 is the same.. its been 1 year and bralw has nothing that sets people apart form the rest... cept o thats right... METAKNIGHT... o.o..
oh and the thing about aniki... he dosent do anyhting else speical than other people thast the point.. he just plays smart.. which is nonexistant in brawl.. well it is its called camping.. somethign that makes u good in brawl..
I dont care who aniki is. Just because he can do something doesn't mean every other gamer in the world can.
I own all of the smash bros games. So think before you assume.
Brawl obviously isn't childish (hence the T rating). You only say noobs play brawl just because you just hate Brawl and the people(the noobs) for not playing melee instead. And the entire Smash Bros series was intended to be a party game(far superior to Mario Party), and Melee is nothing like that... anymore...
you dun know jack shit.. beucase the person who created melee the game designer put all those techs in.. obviosuly thats why they have seperate animations and not complete glighty looks...o.o.. but... t for teen dosent mean anyhting...lol.. im acually criyng of laugher that u mentioned that... but... idc what epople playing im just saying that
if you want competition ou play melee
if you want some mild entertainment you play brawl.. simple as it is...
actually you can play smart in brawl. And like I said before, I dont care about aniki. and Melee's designer may have put those in, but it was not intended. They didn't know Melee would come to this. Thats why Brawl is so much different, cuz they corrected thier mistakes.
and I really dont see the problem wih metaknight. I guess that since touney fags say Metaknight is better than every other character , thats going to be a worldwide fact that everyone agrees on. I find that rather dumb...
oh and mk is amazing becuase he has the most kill moves the most insanely recovery the most damage potential.. and the most spammable moves.. if you do not see that u suck at this game
well whatever. I do not suck at this game just because I didn't know something. since I can beat metaknight with no complaints whatsoever, then I'm obviously better than you.
play brawl a little more and you'll understand. Also, try using metaknight. He is really easy to be good with. I'm not saying it's easy to be the best with him, but its easy to get good enough to beat a lot of people with him.
typos... i have played brawl alot with friends and at quite a few brawl tourneys... i laughed beucase every single brawl tourney i went to 90% of the people said fuck this and put in melee.. brawl sucks
well I know I'm not a noob. I'm a great player at smash.
and no brawl doesn't suck thats just your opinion. the fact is, its the best game on wii period.
and touney fags who play competitively are just so damn ignorant and dont understand that not every single player can be like them. so they bitch on about how brawl sucks just because its different from melee. thats just a load of bull shit.
umm tourney fags? well the fact is that every played that had melee could learn the things that would improve their gameplay imensly.. and i dont know why you wouldent.. im not a tourney fag i just appreciate the skill it took in melee to be good.. in brawl its a joke...
for 3 main reasons- no hitstun airdodge insane recoverys from every1.... cept ivy / olimar/ wolf
and I really dont see the problem wih metaknight. I guess that since touney fags say Metaknight is better than every other character , thats going to be a worldwide fact that everyone agrees on. I find that rather dumb..."
When someone can stay invisible infinitely, you don't see a problem?
example... some say that Diddy kong too quick, or Ike has too much power. or Pit spams alot, or Sonic is the cheapest character in the game. and of course, they have been saying Metaknight is just flawless I guess.
I really dont get it... but all of this is opinionated. and its dumb just to limit your oponents choices over something you thought was unfair and to win like that. it shows skill at all...
You say people have opinions. Great. Can they justify those opinions? If not, they cannot really be valid and be accepted...that's just fallacy.
No fighting game can be balanced. It's just naturally impossible. In any sport, nothing's ever "balanced"; boxers will differ in strength, physique, stamina, etc. That's where skill comes in.
lol at Melee-Maniacs whining that Brawl sucks because it isn't OMGWTFBBQ HIGH-TECHNICAAAAAAAAAAAL enough for them.
lol at Brawl Fanboys calling Brawl balanced and saying the game is better without ATs.
I'll say this.
I've owned and played all 3 Smash games for years, and I can say Brawl's my favorite. I dislike the physics in Melee, and enjoy the floatier feel to Brawl. I can't remember much of 64, though.
it is you can glitch is easy hang on the edge they kill themselves or stand on the base of hyrule and they kill themselves >_>... or spam nair shffled ... sigh.... killin computers is not skill rofl
What, all melee atacks were original. Thats why we could find techs for those attacks, and were able to find combo strings. I have no idea what you meant by that line considering 75% of the cast is from melee, and only 1 chars attacks have completely changed(falco).. wow you stupid
is is proven..... just look at anyone who plays brawl now (that wasent a melee pro and is only playing brawl for cash prize money)... they probs suck at melee.
acually dsf hasent competed in a tourney as of recent... well none that ive heard about and m2k plays brawl now suprised you dident bring him up lol.... but m2k also still palys the melee tourney scene.....
ummm naw one of the chars people wanted in brawl...o.o...
and lol lol you just proved me right completed ... im talking about COMPETTIVIE PLAY LIKE high level play not little noobs gathering and playing with items on.
at high level players said that the game was rather blaanced becuase skill > tiers.... there is still some obvious examples of the game nto being balanced tho ( melee)
and i said name one charector people wanted... they dident take polls i hope you know... they just put in whatever cahrectors.
it must be hard making a game with so many characters and try to make them balanced, hopefully by the next one, it can be updated to keep it as balanced as possible
smash, especially brawl, is sort of a bastard child in that regard. sakurai and others working on the project definitely treat smash as a party game, like all the other cutesy garbage nintendo is known for spewing out for 2 straight gens. look at namco and look at capcom, and see how much effort is put into both making the game as fair as possible and opening doors to their fans. nintendo directors don't even like it when gamers take their work to a competitive level. it's a shame, really :(
are you trying to say that melee is more unbalanced than brawl? that's funny because i haven't heard anything about melee banning characters in tournaments.
If i was that yoshi, i'd cut my hands off as to not play smash again...
kanagii 2 months ago
... O_O If I was that Yoshi, I would commit suicide after that.
Joseponypants 3 months ago
@Joseponypants did i see a comment from u very similar in fox's combo xD?
TheBrolymega 2 months ago
@TheBrolymega Hmmm... That DOES seem very likely... But maybe it was another guy XD
Joseponypants 2 months ago
Did i just watch a Jigglypuff raping a Yoshi?
Pikafan2132 3 months ago
actually at 0:17 he stoped hitting for a second so its not a combo tho
Blazerelf 3 months ago
At least it's shorter than v1.
Basvdzijden 9 months ago
lol at the random taunt cancels thrown in there
t1jsnakemain 10 months ago
Jigglypuff dacus? woahwut?
perfectchaoslemon 11 months ago
OMG jiggly puff your sooooo cruel did you not hear yoshi crying at 1:04
narutoKHfan1 11 months ago
i think theres some sort of demon do-hikky inside of that jiggly puff critter...
narutoKHfan1 11 months ago
OMFG this is the funniest thing I saw today :D
Kurama034 1 year ago
what is that move that keeps being used after the dair? a nair or a fair?
Nukleurfire 1 year ago
oh now i get it. I always wonder where and how Yoshi gets his eggs. Well after this rape-age Yoshi have the protein to last a life time
igla 1 year ago 3
poor yoshi :(
mariomario4646 1 year ago
im sure it wqouldnt work with a human player :/
hokage97531 1 year ago
LOL jiggly was smashing him near the wall ! xD the crowd - OH OH OH OH OH OH ! lol priceless !
MadWorldKing 1 year ago
OMG IN THE BEGINNING YOSHI FROZE CUZ JIGGLY GRABBED ITS BALLS
werewolfxxx0 1 year ago
How the dinosaurs were ACTUALLY wiped out :P
Mariokartfrantic 1 year ago 5
0:04 he grabs his nuts for extra damage
spammaster3000 1 year ago 4
._o this violence happens to me...im dead.
dittocopys 1 year ago
Yoshi just lost his virginity.
supermariofan546 1 year ago
not that this really matters or anything but u fucked up 2ce int he beginning and didnt keep the combo
skaldon 1 year ago
Description?
TheLostSabre 1 year ago
This is how Hungrybox and Mango got good in the sequel
Tekami 2 years ago
When I first heard 0:23 I seriously thought Jiggly was saying "Where's your god now?"
Sonar009 2 years ago 2
Machine Gun Jiggs
ZidaneTribal93 2 years ago
i would just drop my controller grab a snack and just wait.
donthinktoohardnow 2 years ago 3
The hell...sliding Sing?
gmaster2647 2 years ago 2
This looks like something Isai would do just to piss someone off
shadowlynx8090 2 years ago 39
@shadowlynx8090 you cant pull that off, the D-air is easy to DI out of, very easy.
rebaz 1 year ago
@rebaz
Isai can do anything.
shadowlynx8090 1 year ago
If this happen to me in rl. I would unplug their controller before they finish it.
EliteBeast 2 years ago
@EliteBeast not with God(Isai) god will even play your character by randomly creating an imaginary controller and keep beating you up.
regaldrifter 2 years ago
Still doesn't stop this from being good though.
Zero254 2 years ago
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Theres no DI in the japanese version though.
Zero254 2 years ago
gotta love those sounds effects :P
willzors 2 years ago 5
JIGGLYPUFF OWNS!
buffaloesrocks 2 years ago
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if that happened 2 me against som1 online, I'd just leave -.-
zario12 2 years ago
If I was the Yoshi in a real match I would quit smash for life
meta1ke 2 years ago 43
good thing this combo is nearly impossible to do in a real match due to the technical skill required.
Strongbad338guy 2 years ago 2
lmao at the taunt cancels
stabbedbyahippie 2 years ago
no ofence but i like jiggly puff jpn voice then usa nice vid lol glitch at end XD
OlimarBrawler 2 years ago 2
why it sound like that?
fowskate 2 years ago
japanese version.
HFthegreat 2 years ago
Whenever a TAS is being made with Jigglypuff, the ending is obligatorily a Rest.
Great (and long) combo. The in-game combo counter is a bit broken, but that didn't stop it from being a combo.
srb2Espyo 2 years ago
Wow, amazing combo O.o. Raping Rest @ the end is FTW.
Borikuaedu3991 2 years ago
Man... This version makes the US version suck!!!
EclipseWebJS 2 years ago
I'm curious, why are the hitting sounds in this version different from my n64 version? Is it because it's japanese version?
Urdailywater 2 years ago 2
Yes
HiddenTriagram 2 years ago
Damn some people think jiggly is good in brawl lol.
1. Melee, she has a good tier place
2. Smash64 Rest isn't that good, recovery is not that good
3. Brawl, everyone has a good recovery, rest in brawl is like a phantom hit lol.
no combos in brawl... so people should not say: "do that in brawl".
THERE ARE NO COMBOS
smashingmushr00m 2 years ago
... Smash64 jiggly has best hit box of his other ssb sports but to someone who is skilled it doesnt matter they are all same... just depends how fast you can transmit brain function to your hands thinking a little before it really happens
Pixle892 2 years ago
yep, but that only applies to ssb64, in melee is a whole different story... and... let's forget about brawl xD
wikianime 2 years ago
wow i didn't think you could do it with jigglypuff too o.o
freakin awesome
foxbrawler91 2 years ago
dude chuck norris fears your skillz
sakio21 2 years ago
Yeah, but then he remembered: Im Chuck Noris!
CrystalTotodile 2 years ago
sorry but chuck norris is gone. cfalcon took over
SKStylez 2 years ago 3
after writing this comment SKStylez was roundhouse kicked by chuck norris
RIP SKStylez...
wikianime 2 years ago
yup, and then captain falcon jumped off the stage and meteor spiked to finish me off.
Show ya moves
SKStylez 2 years ago
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dude.......... you should do this with brawl!
Volgeirea 2 years ago
I hear machine gun fire XD.
johnniapplec 2 years ago
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This isn't a real combo, there are points where you could just techroll out of it or DI to techroll out of it.
xAfterDawnx 2 years ago
Uh, no. You can't tech out of that. And yeah, you could DI out of that but you can DI out of anything. The training mode combos don't take DI into account.
MattB22890 2 years ago 3
to few characters in this game still like it tho
noobzezima 2 years ago
do the sound effects sound different because this is the japanese version?
EvilHeadBoy 2 years ago
yes
mustbe18 2 years ago
damn yoshi got owned =/
tacos140 2 years ago
at the end when you sang, how come jigglypuff went so far?
GameGeek9 2 years ago
That Little Puffy Demon Ball!
1337ShadowChaos 2 years ago
lol. jigglypuff kinda sounds stupid
GameGeek9 2 years ago
The fact that you ended with rest is beyond me.
runindry 2 years ago
Shit dude wtf is with all the hate -_-
They're both fun games.
Get your whiney litle asses over it
Brawl is smash the way it's intended to be, so stop your bitching how much it sucks, cuz it's the way it was supposed to be.
Sakurai isn't doing you any favors, as long as he's getting money and selling more than Melee ever did.
Just stop your whining and play your own damn games -_-;
Hanaske 2 years ago
Brawl sucks.
Get over it.
MattB22890 2 years ago
mhm
They're both fun games in different aspects.
I play Melee and Brawl so idc really.
Hanaske 2 years ago 8
saying that brawl sucks is as stupid as saying that pasta sucks. It all depends in likes. If you like more melee or ssb64 then play them, you don't get nothing by saying other people that the games they like suck.
jamb1987 2 years ago
It's called an opinion.
I think Brawl is trash for many reasons, but I never said everyone has to agree with me.
MattB22890 2 years ago
then say "I don´t like it" because the "get over it" is like saying that he should agree with you. Well sry too extend the fight, Its just people keep saying "brawl sucks" and I think is an opinion one should keep for himself. Further more, all those reasons why you or anyone think brawl sucks (hit stun, floaty, camping, etc) are just factors that depends in people likes. Still, I'll apologize myself because it seems my reply offended you.
jamb1987 2 years ago
Who cares if you offended him? His "GET OVER IT!1 MY OPINION IS MORE IMPORTANT" shit reeks of asshole.
MRR0000WIE 2 years ago
@Horcish
What you say is correct, however, there is a difference. In boxing you can actually do something about it. Same way with any other competition, you can improve your power, your stamina, etc. In Brawl we're stuck with what we're given, and so some characters, like meta, will always have an edge.
HundredYard 3 years ago
Yes, perfect statement. I forgot to link my previous one to Brawl/Smash in general; this is why tiers will always exist since a character cannot simply "get better".
Horcish 2 years ago
I partly disagree with you on that. Any character can indirectly become better, but not thanks to the creators of the game. Take a look at some of Melee's characters; as time went by, some characters were known to have advanced techniques (for example, the chain-grab), while others haven't. Fox had an edge in tiers, thanks to the Fox-trot. (not that I support tiers, but it's what defines "good characters")
What I'm trying to say is that any character can become better; we just have to want it.
Zari0t 2 years ago
Simply wanting a character to get better isn't going to happen unless there's some exploits that the creators don't know about. It really has to depend on luck for a technique to pop up.
For example, in Brawl, Ike's most likely going to have a very bad matchup against Meta Knight, no matter what kind of technique is found.
Still, we're all essentially agreeing on one thing: tiers exist, and are undeniable. Of course, they do not have to be liked.
Horcish 2 years ago
Indeed, tiers exist and are here to stay, as it seems. Honestly, what is the point, having tiers anyway? It's not like they change anything about Smash Bros.
But there is a very negative thing regarding tiers. I remember that, when I first started playing Melee, my first pick was Mewtwo (which, btw, I was no pushover with). But all of my fellow smashers kept saying "Haha, Mewtwo's bottom tier, you fail!", and stuff like that. Basically, players might give up on their main due to this.
TR4Q! :D
Zari0t 2 years ago
Jigglypuff sounds too cute.
nanaiss3xy 3 years ago
What the heck is that sound at 0:35?
UnGato7 3 years ago
Ignore me, I think it's just the Japanese voice for Jigglypuff.
UnGato7 3 years ago
Boy does Yoshi have a lot of health! Or Jigglypuff is ultra weak...
BraveUlysses01 3 years ago
there are no combos in smush bruvers
ninjachipzanuff 3 years ago
not a combo, could be teched at several areas. he should do one of kirby.
AriolKrauser 3 years ago
Don't think you can walltech in SSB. You CAN groundtech, obviously.
RedBluePurpal 3 years ago
Which is why Jiggs will always be more bad ass in SSB than she ever will be in Melee and Brawl.
icewaterdragon01 3 years ago
Na she was more badass in melee
Metatitan 3 years ago 3
Truth. So many 0 to rest combos.
thelittlestseal 3 years ago
actually jiggs is better in brawl in my opinion she can inf. combo unless you DI amazing
gamervgd 3 years ago
You are dumb.
Melee jiggs doesn't need to infinite when she can kill most of the cast at 0% to 20% with one rest, and most definitely the entire cast with any percent higher without superb smash DI.
darksyde3000 3 years ago
Not that I'm even sure smash DI helps. Most of the time you don't even get a chance to DI rests.
darksyde3000 3 years ago
brawl sucks ass and jiggs is shit in brawl.. face it
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
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Brawl is awesome.
and jiggs a great character.
you just saw an infinate combo with jiggs yet you still think shes shit. well its not like you could do any better so dont flame other people for your lack of skill.
WarRock97 3 years ago
i never said jiggs aint awesome.. jiggs is great in ssb64 melee.. but she is shit in brawl.. and no brawl is fucking horible .. thsi is SSB64 i hope you realize
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
Brawl is an awesome game nuff said.
just because somethings were taken out doesn't mean it is bad game. Its actually the best game on the Wii right now. Melee doesn't even begin compare to how great brawl is.
WarRock97 3 years ago
are you on crack?
brawl= slow as fuck no combos becuase of no hitstun... no advanced techs worth mentioning ... everyone has rediculous recoverys.... oh and endless air dodges..
melee= crazy combo posibilitys... tons of techs which make the game face and intense... wavedashing/ l- cancling/ sffl/ float cancle/ triangle jump/ fox trot/ dash dance
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
fast
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
well the fact that Brawl has all of those techniques taken out is exactly why Brawl is an improvement over Melee. Just because Melee had those moves doesn't mean everyone knew how to use them. Not everyone can play as competetively, and not everyone can play as well as you, the pros or whatever. Thats why Brawl is better. Because everyone can play, and not just those who look down on those who arent as good.
WarRock97 3 years ago
umm, the fact there is no dedermanable skill level in brawl?... what si their in other fighting games that allow you to become great.. doing.. things no one else knwos how to do.. or sc4 comboing / guard breaking... brawl is a party game at best with no competition, any idiot can grab a controll and be good... thats why brawl sucks... also...
in melee you did have to learn thigns to be atleast soemwhat good and thats what set it apart form brawl.. the fact that skill did matter
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
another comment yup, your probably one of those 14 year olds who never even fucking palyed a super smash bros game before brawl came out beucase your mommy and daddy bought it for you on your childs toy wii... pussy shit learn a real game melee.
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
also another improvement were the characters. Everyone was completely equal in that game and they eliminated Tiers. That way no one can be blamed for picking a top tier if they were to win with one of them. Some characters may have been taken out but it was hardly a loss since all of the clones(the worst set back of melee) were taken out.
And Brawl had more stages, charatcers, Music and more mode altogether.
Melee wasn't a bad game. Brawl is just better.
WarRock97 3 years ago
umm neta / snake?... brawl is horible balanced and match-ups are so shitty its rediculous.. and everyone in melee had a chance to be good with their charector... lets se some you probs have no idea about.. hugs(samus), anther(pika) , chu( pichu, ice climbers) , taj( m2) , gimpy(bowser).... the fact is that if you acually were skilled with mindgames, tech skill you could become great with any char every char had a pro in melee some had lots more....
also...
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
the stages dont matter since if your playing at a tourney 90% of them aretaken out because of unfair advantedges... the chars big deal.. and the bigest problem is their balancing for adding the new chars sucked.. nearly all the new chars were incredibly strong........ music ok now your talking aobut stuff that dosent even apply to competitive smash.. your adding stuff that is about a party game rather than a fighting game based on competition.
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
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see thats the thing, I dont care for competition. all that is just a load of bull crap. melee just isn't fun because of all of you tounament fags out there. thats why melee isn't as good as brawl. not everyone can play competitively. Also not everyone wants to do that, so you can't force the entire game to be played competitively because you have good hand reflexes. not everyone does!
WarRock97 3 years ago
exactly.... brawl = a childish game for noobs ... might be fun.. a.k.a a party game built for every1 its no bettter than mario party
melee= competition.. and the only reason there was 8 years of tournaments.. and some still going on....
melee is a game for people who want to be good and get good... thast the fact its a game for people who enjyo competition not just turning the wii on whenever some buds come aorund and play for 10 mins.
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
Metaknight.
/discussion
SamOliver4 3 years ago
O.o wow...so you honestly believe that some people would lose without Advanced techniques? Also, that Brawl...BRAWL is even? Metaknight anyone? Or how about how bad some characters are? The game is NOT even. Also...it's been proven that even without Advanced Techniques, "tourney fags" are still better. There's no need to be rude about it. You can argue that Brawl is better...maybe graphically...but that's it. Each game shines in their own way. Don't get mad if you can't win. No Johns.
chostylish 3 years ago 2
Yes, I honestly belive that people would lose without advanced techniques. These techniques take alot of reflexes. And in Fighting games, reflexes are just about the only thing that matters. Sure there maybe some other good moves, but without the reflexes, they are pretty much useless.
I really dont see the problem with MetaKnight... none of the characters are hardly even a threat. But I assume since I'm not a "touney fag" it doesn't matter what I would say about it...
yeah...
WarRock97 3 years ago
umm.. aniki.. one of the best smashers in the world... well in melees time.. and he only used l cancle... thats it and he was godly.
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
They don't really take reflexes, just repetition. I l-cancel without even thinking about it, even in Brawl I find myself l-cancelling even though it doesn't work in that game.
ChaosKnightXD 3 years ago
well thats you, but an average smash bros player wouldn't even know about that.
WarRock97 3 years ago
The average smash bros player doesn't know adv. techniques exist. The average tourney goer just has a significant grasp on any number of them. I learned adv. techniques just for the hell of it, I don't go to tourneys. They're pretty fun to use in battle and I like being able to move fast so that's why I practiced them.
ChaosKnightXD 3 years ago
your just dumb i mean seriously... " the average".. yes the point is that the average player is going o have fun no matter what they do.. but mabey people who wanna excell at the gaem want thigns that will allow them to excell... a.k.a mindgames.. and techs... but... if their are none just every1 is the same.. its been 1 year and bralw has nothing that sets people apart form the rest... cept o thats right... METAKNIGHT... o.o..
but in all honesty..
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
oh and the thing about aniki... he dosent do anyhting else speical than other people thast the point.. he just plays smart.. which is nonexistant in brawl.. well it is its called camping.. somethign that makes u good in brawl..
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
ty aniki what?... this kid just thinks he knows shit.. and he obviously never played a ssb game before brawl came aorund.
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
I dont care who aniki is. Just because he can do something doesn't mean every other gamer in the world can.
I own all of the smash bros games. So think before you assume.
Brawl obviously isn't childish (hence the T rating). You only say noobs play brawl just because you just hate Brawl and the people(the noobs) for not playing melee instead. And the entire Smash Bros series was intended to be a party game(far superior to Mario Party), and Melee is nothing like that... anymore...
WarRock97 3 years ago
you dun know jack shit.. beucase the person who created melee the game designer put all those techs in.. obviosuly thats why they have seperate animations and not complete glighty looks...o.o.. but... t for teen dosent mean anyhting...lol.. im acually criyng of laugher that u mentioned that... but... idc what epople playing im just saying that
if you want competition ou play melee
if you want some mild entertainment you play brawl.. simple as it is...
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
actually you can play smart in brawl. And like I said before, I dont care about aniki. and Melee's designer may have put those in, but it was not intended. They didn't know Melee would come to this. Thats why Brawl is so much different, cuz they corrected thier mistakes.
and I really dont see the problem wih metaknight. I guess that since touney fags say Metaknight is better than every other character , thats going to be a worldwide fact that everyone agrees on. I find that rather dumb...
WarRock97 3 years ago
"Thats why Brawl is so much different, cuz they corrected thier mistakes. "
The part where you act like you know what you're talking about is rather dumb.
brainfood 3 years ago
well I'm not acting. I'm typing. Smartass >_>
WarRock97 3 years ago
lol your stupid... " thats why brawl is so much different, cuz they corrected their mistakes".... man you dun know shit about anything.. my god dude..
ill say it for the third and final time
brawl= party game that u play with some buddies every now and then beucase none of u want true competition
melee= competition the place were the "tourney fags" go to show that they are acually good at this game
brawl= to just fuck around on it with people that have never played and almost los
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
oh and mk is amazing becuase he has the most kill moves the most insanely recovery the most damage potential.. and the most spammable moves.. if you do not see that u suck at this game
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
well whatever. I do not suck at this game just because I didn't know something. since I can beat metaknight with no complaints whatsoever, then I'm obviously better than you.
WarRock97 3 years ago
umm the point is you only play against your friedns and never any good metaknights.. fight m2ks meta or dsfs meta and then talk shit...
sorry anyone is good at brawl
lovingmonkay 3 years ago 2
well you just proved my point, but I dont expect you to understand...
but anyway, translate your abreviations. I dont know what you were trying to say.
WarRock97 3 years ago
ugh im done with u you are just an annoying noob who never played any ssb competitivly so you wouldent understand the point of skill
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
play brawl a little more and you'll understand. Also, try using metaknight. He is really easy to be good with. I'm not saying it's easy to be the best with him, but its easy to get good enough to beat a lot of people with him.
samman101 3 years ago
umm ive played bralw alot.. i just cant stand it beucase it sucks so much ass..
lovingmonkay 3 years ago 3
typos... i have played brawl alot with friends and at quite a few brawl tourneys... i laughed beucase every single brawl tourney i went to 90% of the people said fuck this and put in melee.. brawl sucks
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
well I know I'm not a noob. I'm a great player at smash.
and no brawl doesn't suck thats just your opinion. the fact is, its the best game on wii period.
and touney fags who play competitively are just so damn ignorant and dont understand that not every single player can be like them. so they bitch on about how brawl sucks just because its different from melee. thats just a load of bull shit.
WarRock97 3 years ago
umm tourney fags? well the fact is that every played that had melee could learn the things that would improve their gameplay imensly.. and i dont know why you wouldent.. im not a tourney fag i just appreciate the skill it took in melee to be good.. in brawl its a joke...
for 3 main reasons- no hitstun airdodge insane recoverys from every1.... cept ivy / olimar/ wolf
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
"
and I really dont see the problem wih metaknight. I guess that since touney fags say Metaknight is better than every other character , thats going to be a worldwide fact that everyone agrees on. I find that rather dumb..."
When someone can stay invisible infinitely, you don't see a problem?
HiIh76 3 years ago
everyone has different opinions.
example... some say that Diddy kong too quick, or Ike has too much power. or Pit spams alot, or Sonic is the cheapest character in the game. and of course, they have been saying Metaknight is just flawless I guess.
I really dont get it... but all of this is opinionated. and its dumb just to limit your oponents choices over something you thought was unfair and to win like that. it shows skill at all...
WarRock97 3 years ago
You say people have opinions. Great. Can they justify those opinions? If not, they cannot really be valid and be accepted...that's just fallacy.
No fighting game can be balanced. It's just naturally impossible. In any sport, nothing's ever "balanced"; boxers will differ in strength, physique, stamina, etc. That's where skill comes in.
Horcish 3 years ago 2
why argue with someone who was born in 1997
it's like talking to a wall
JejuneJesuit 2 years ago 7
LMAO
Vorffy 2 years ago
@WarRock97 The biggest problem with metaknight is that you can just (smartly) spam tornado and win.
gemininoiser 2 months ago
lol at Melee-Maniacs whining that Brawl sucks because it isn't OMGWTFBBQ HIGH-TECHNICAAAAAAAAAAAL enough for them.
lol at Brawl Fanboys calling Brawl balanced and saying the game is better without ATs.
I'll say this.
I've owned and played all 3 Smash games for years, and I can say Brawl's my favorite. I dislike the physics in Melee, and enjoy the floatier feel to Brawl. I can't remember much of 64, though.
But all 3 rock. I just perfer Brawl more.
CloverNoodle 2 years ago
HERES THE SIMPLE TRUTH TO THE GAME
all those who like brawl better sucked ass at melee
all those who like melee better well enjoy a highly competetive game of tech skill and mindgames...
all those who enjoy 64 more.. arent wrong 64 rapes ;)
melee rapes
brawl is just too slow
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH TO THE GAME
Anyone can enjoy any game because of whatever playstyle they focus on, and you're an asshole for suggesting otherwise.
:D
CloverNoodle 2 years ago
meh, mabey i am big deal.
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
i like brawl and i own in melee...
elapichoo 2 years ago
you probs suck at melee
and you enjoy brawl because of its ez modeness
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
first... you cant tell me that i suck cuz you havent see me figthing.. not just because i like brawl
i could easly own 3 lvl9 whitout items.. so shut up..
(i´ll lol if you say"owning 3 lvl9 is so easy.. so dont do it.)
elapichoo 2 years ago
it is you can glitch is easy hang on the edge they kill themselves or stand on the base of hyrule and they kill themselves >_>... or spam nair shffled ... sigh.... killin computers is not skill rofl
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
i meant... 3 vs me and glitchingis for noobs
elapichoo 2 years ago
It's not hard to beat three lvl 9s. You can read computers way to easy. If you jump up they will always use down b / up b..
If you run near them they will grab..
L2read people... oh wait you probably never will because u play brawl
... i can ;) and it is proven your just too much of an idiot to see that.
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
what? XD
elapichoo 2 years ago
i think i replyed to the wrong person :(... 2 haters in this chat
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
you replied to me .. im not a hater .. i love it :D
elapichoo 2 years ago
ah who knows anymore w\e then sup lol
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
lol hahaa not much you?
elapichoo 2 years ago
just watched this movie "girl with a pearl earing" it was fucking insane well.. not really
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
sounds boring.. the trailes is boring too :P
elapichoo 2 years ago
are its already proven that like 70% of the people who play brawl hate melee beucase they sucked at it becuase it took too much skill to play...
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
I'm sorry that I don't masturbate enough to be able to move my fingers at the speed of light.
Gamemasterkf 2 years ago
thats plain idiocy, you dont use your fingers to masturbate. Wow! How aobut being some what intelligent before you try to sound cool.
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
Perhaps people find the floaty physics more enjoyable and like the creative roster of characters with original attacks, mmh?
Also,
IT. IS. NOT. PROVEN. PEOPLE. WHO. LIKE. BRAWL. SUCKED. AT. MELEE.
SHUT. UP. AND. STOP. MAKING. ASSUMPTIONS
CloverNoodle 2 years ago
What, all melee atacks were original. Thats why we could find techs for those attacks, and were able to find combo strings. I have no idea what you meant by that line considering 75% of the cast is from melee, and only 1 chars attacks have completely changed(falco).. wow you stupid
is is proven..... just look at anyone who plays brawl now (that wasent a melee pro and is only playing brawl for cash prize money)... they probs suck at melee.
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
I ment original like new and interesting and... well, original.
Srsly. there's chargeable moves that make items, things that latch on to you and add damage, etc.
It's just interesting.
As for the cast, Brawl's cast is better than Melee's. Brawl's has characters people actually WANTED.
Also, It's not proven, stop being an asshole. Show me true proof.
Also, DSF was great at Melee and plays Brawl now.
Also...
"wow you stupid"
At least I can make gramatically correct sentences.
CloverNoodle 2 years ago
acually dsf hasent competed in a tourney as of recent... well none that ive heard about and m2k plays brawl now suprised you dident bring him up lol.... but m2k also still palys the melee tourney scene.....
ummm naw one of the chars people wanted in brawl...o.o...
and lol lol you just proved me right completed ... im talking about COMPETTIVIE PLAY LIKE high level play not little noobs gathering and playing with items on.
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
Not one of the characters people wanted in Brawl?
So, suddenly, nobody wanted Wario, DDD, Meta Knight, Sonic, Pit, etc?
So suddenly having fun with items on makes you a n00b?
And Brawl isn't balanced. I know that. Less so than Melee. But Melee is still very unbalanced.
CloverNoodle 2 years ago 2
at high level players said that the game was rather blaanced becuase skill > tiers.... there is still some obvious examples of the game nto being balanced tho ( melee)
and i said name one charector people wanted... they dident take polls i hope you know... they just put in whatever cahrectors.
lovingmonkay 2 years ago
...
They DID take a poll.
CloverNoodle 2 years ago
it must be hard making a game with so many characters and try to make them balanced, hopefully by the next one, it can be updated to keep it as balanced as possible
EvilHeadBoy 2 years ago
Noobs we love you! You put the money in the pot. Without you, we wouldn't be warmed up. I mean, what if we went in first round and had to face m2k.
jyustinkyu 2 years ago
smash, especially brawl, is sort of a bastard child in that regard. sakurai and others working on the project definitely treat smash as a party game, like all the other cutesy garbage nintendo is known for spewing out for 2 straight gens. look at namco and look at capcom, and see how much effort is put into both making the game as fair as possible and opening doors to their fans. nintendo directors don't even like it when gamers take their work to a competitive level. it's a shame, really :(
Hazygoose 2 years ago 4
hmm i'm not sure about melee.
they did everything correct. every timing is correct for competitive play. is that just a random thing? who knows
Jolly2Lolly 2 years ago 2
Why do people vote down Hazygoose's comment? He's so right..
JohannesSM64 2 years ago 2
i agree. also as i said before i'm not sure about melee. but i''m pretty sure for brawl.
Jolly2Lolly 2 years ago
are you trying to say that melee is more unbalanced than brawl? that's funny because i haven't heard anything about melee banning characters in tournaments.
jyustinkyu 2 years ago
I never said that.
I completley agree Brawl's more unbalanced.
That doesn't mean I don't enjoy it more.
CloverNoodle 2 years ago
...that's just Texas.
Brownpears 2 years ago