if you think lebron or kobe is better than mike you nuts are you nuts? not to mention clutch time it was mike , defense, mike, mvp and defensive mvp same season!, lebron playn in a zone era, and always comes up short in crunch time!mike lived for the moment and had a will to win, thats also why hes the greatest! and check march 1989 he had almost a quadruple double against boston and bird and the gang, 42 ponits 9 steals, 11 rebounds, and 9 assist, t michael jordan is the greates player ever.
If there was not Horry, Rockets wouldn't have won in 95, Lakers wouldn't have won in 2001 and 2002, spurs would have lost in 2005.... He hit so many big shots that is unbelieveble. Yes he was a role player, but his role was scoring big big huge baskets. HOF ... if Miami had Horry instead of Queen James they would have won.
Exactly. Look at the perimeter PGs like Nash, Kidd, Chauncey B, who played in the 90's and into the 'Modern era. In the early 2000's, their scoring average all went up in the same year, including FT. That was NOT a fluke.
Game was changed to make more easier scoring. Today, you have the likes of D Wade and Lebron James, almost Champions getting laughed at by Charles Barkely bc they did'nt know how to play against a basic screen.
This isn't news. Everyone with a tad of bball knowledge knows MJ is the best of all time. Not many know about MJ being an ahole and cheating on his wife a bunch, etc.
Definitely. MJ is the ONE guy you didn't want to get into a physical and mental match up with.
But what's funny is, as tough as MJ was, he was truly from the ol school, where they were TOUGH. No complainin.. you just put your head down take your knocks and give it. No bail out by the refs. But muscle, power per square inch, MJ was up there.
@billmang101 class act? ok im not gona take away the fact that hes a 7 time champion but please, hes never averaged more than 25 ppg a a game and has been a role player at best . if guys like dennis rodman arnt getting in the hall of fame horry shoudnt. not to mention he was a dirty player and flopped more than ginobli on crack
@dawnoflife3 Dennis rodman is a psycho so dont come at me with that bullshit, the hall of fame is not made for people who have mental problems. Now who the fuck says you have to average 25 ppg to be in the hall of fame....do they got a book that says that shit cuz if they do PLEASE show me. Robert Horry won sooooo many championships for teams its scary, and you say he's dirty? The only thing that comes close to him being dirty was when steve nash flew like a little pussy outta bounds. So plz die
@billmang101 physical or mental conditions to not come into consideration for HOF. these are personal baketball achievements, not what happened off the court, robert horry was a mere role player. never averaged more than 25 mpg. championships dont get u in the hall of fame. just ask guys like karl malome, charles barkley , patrick ewing and soon to be steve nash and dirk nowitzki etc. just cause he happened to land on teams that won championships didnt mean he was the key peice . no HOF for him
@dawnoflife3 Are u stupid?? So ur telling me Horry wasnt a key piece on all of the championship teams he was on? If u really think that, then may god have mercy on ur soul!
@billmang101 had they replaced him with any other serviceable PF who doesnt flop around all over the place, absolutely they woudve won just as many championships. championships do not determine how good of a player you are, its a TEAM accomplishment , MVP's and such are what get u in the HOF. if guys like dennis rodman arnt getting in the hof then horry shoudnt either
@slimshaid Exactly. He played with and against Shaq, Kobe, Olajuwon, and Duncan and says Jordan is the best "by far". Really common sense when you know your stuff.
@utfanatic2000 Exactly. And Olajuwon only got his ring after MJ retired. Same as David Robinson. Great great palyers, but they so many Hall of Famers were denied the ring when MJ was on top. Eve nat age 38-41, Mj was scoring 40+points and even 50 pt games. But today's NBA has a style to try and make scoring easier. Touch fouls, no hand checking, refs calling games and team stacking. Lakers with 4 ALL Stars, Heat with 3 Superstars. Celtics with 3. MJ did it with him and Pippen.
LOL "I remember one time I ran into him I was like oooooo!! he's little but he's strong" thats the biggest difference between kobe and mj...Mj had superior upper body strength compared to kobe
IDGAF what nobody say...I am an 80s baby and I like Kobe Bryant. Point Blank period...WE WILL NEVER SEE ANOTHER PLAYER LIKE MJ EVER! Not has he only changed the game on the court but he was the FACE of basketball everywhere around the world. Lets talk about the finals...THE BULLS wit Jordan has NEVER even seen a game 7...
@tashas So true. And the Bulls with Jordan has never seen a Finals loss either. Once Michael shows up, he shows up to play and you knew they were going to win. Kobe has 5 out of 7 possible rings, and I know you cant win every time you go to the Finals, unless of course, you're name is Michael Jordan.
@Joelfolife And I saw on espn last year after the Cavs being eliminated again that MJ was 23-0 in the series where the Bulls had home-court advantage! Never lost a series, talk about a winner.
Jordan didn't run away when he lost many games in the playoffs during his career...He won his first ring in his mid 20s..Lebron ran away after 7 seasons...Jordan has 6 rings...two times three peats...Lebron none....Jordan has more seasons and finals MVPs...I don't think Lebron will win another season MVP. The only person that can compare to Jordan is Kobe Bryant because Kobe has a three peat 2000,2001,2002 and on the verge of getting his 2nd three peat. Kobe didn't run away
@mikenotnumber1 thats your best anwer?...really?...collecting titles?...are you playing in LA lakers....hahaha...you´re really out of mind...the discusion is "who is the best"...ok....JORDAN is GOAT...KO "wanna" BE (like mike) BRYANT suuuucckkkkksssss...(pathetic, sad and gay is your nickname..."mikenotnumberone1"...hahahaha...you are really obsessed)...listen my friend...MICHAEL AIR JORDAN the best of all time...KO "wanna" BE (like mike) BRYANT...is not even close. SAD BUT TRUE!!! hahahahaha...
@mikenotnumber1 you realize all of ur MJ dissing was killed yet again by kobe's mediocre performance again in an nba finals? No way in hell u can argue kobe has more consistent games than gasol. and Kobe went 10-29 in game 3 and 6-24 in game 7 and the lakers won both games...go figure. I know you dont like MJ, but instead of belittling MJ tell us all why you think Kobe bryant is better?
@mikenotnumber1 hahaha very nice idiot answer..."creamed in the threads"..hahaha...your´e a an asshole...really.....and remember KO "wanna" BE (like mike) BRYANT....hahahahahahaha....loooooosssseeeeeerrrrrr.....hahahahaha....
@mikenotnumber1 hahahaha....looooooossssseeeeerrrrr......mike is GOAT....kobe sucks....and you too...have a nice life...dreaming with kobe in your bed....and nice nightmares with MICHAEL AIR JORDAN.....hahahahahaha
horry played with KO-"wanna" BE (like mike) BRYANT, and he´s saying mj is the best, and also he´s 7 rings...end of conversation....no body can be like mike...hes GOAT....by the way "mikenotnumberone" is the most stupid guy in youtube...just a fucking fat bald and nazy guy who feels very bad behind is keyboard...
Very cool. Gotta love Horry, he knows what's up. He played with and against Olajuwon, Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe, and he says Jordan is EASILY the best he has played against. Jordan GOAT, no debate.
@mikenotnumber1 ....damn,mikenot.....telling people i have other profiles....your about as stupid as you are fat.....u come to that conclusion just because i have my profile blocked?....albert einstein you are not....
@mikenotnumber1 ....damn,mikenot.....telling people i have other profiles....your about as stupid as you are fat.....u come to that conclusion just because i have my profile blocked?....albert einstein you are not....
mikenotnumber1, you have to be the dumbest cunt on the face of this planet....hey look here this is someone who played with that fag kobe and he is saying MJ is the GOAT..i love how u fucks never bring any prove(bc there isnt any) of how kobe is better than MJ...when us who have common sense and know MJ is the best ever can easily back up our claims
You are waisting your time with this mikenotnumber1 trust me I've had a tiff with him now for weeks in the end I had to stop posting . Problem is I think he has some serious issues, it's like MJ raped his team, him or maybe his mother ( O no wait that's Kobe). He makes it his life work to slag of MJ and trust me if you listen to his arguments enough you will realise he is very very sick and can't see or except reality.
@romadkern Lebron is faster, quicker, stronger, can jump higher, tougher, better shooter, better defender, better rebounder, passer and just as good in every other category than MJ therefore Lebron destroys MJ no contest! if Lebron played in MJ's ERA he would have taken his talents and shoved them up Mj's ass hugging shorts hahaha
Jordan and Lebron are equally as fast, Jordan was quicker, jumped higher (48 inch vertical), was tougher (worked in the low-post way more), Jordan was by far a better shooter (his mid-range is the best in NBA history), Jordan was also a better defender with DPOY, and 200/100 block/steal seasons and 3 steal titles and 9x 1st defensive team
LOL! I am not like you who hides in other accounts. That's just Kobitch! You are a loser. You try too hard to help your idol but you faied. You're a loser Kobitch!
yes you have your own punny brain.. and that brain of yours doesnt have any logic at all.. i guess youre just studying at home. cause only your parents have the patience to teach you..somebody fast learner like you.haha..didnt you just see the video!? haha..playing blind just to save his ass in an argument.
no. you listen to more experts and people who say mj is greatest..must be a reason why they call him GOAT..sure some might say kobes better. people like you who were born yesterday and had not seen mj play, especially at his prime..but most people who seen both wil tell ya whos better... deep inside you know its mj
and what about you? what did you ever do, so people would believe you know better than these guys about basketball.youre just a conceited punk who thinks he knows it all..and yet doesnt have the balls to admit his mistakes.. or maybe you have another version of this story..youre good at that anyway.haha haha
yet were talking about basketball, why do you have to dig into their personal lives? that is beyond basketball, youre going the wrong way again bitch..ooppss. thought you could get away with it?haha
here we go again. youre going the wrong way. why dont you just answer the question. do you believe you know better than magic and chuck?! just answer the question please.thank you
no reply? i guess youre conceding.haha haha.. MICHAEL BUFFER: and still, the most out talkable asshole in the world..mikenotnumber1!!!! wooooot wooooot!!!
no greatest in team sport? says who?YOU?! haha.. so your opinion about that matters, and the opinion of horry,chuck, magic, and the others regarding mj as the greatest doesnt?! you really are a conceited bitch.. you got the nerves to say something like that..one thing for sure though, youre the greatest STORYTELLER/EDITOR ever!
yeah u r rite. and people can finally stop the arguement abt lebron kobe comparison to mj. we all internet users never played any of them. robert horry played against all and played with 2 of them. so he has A LOT MORE CREDIT then we do.
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Why even bother in this thread when Waffle-Fag and Ut-Fag are busy pulling on another's thumbs outta each others asses and thumbs downing all the comments, and thumbing each other? LOL
Once again the fu-fairy doesn't admit when his LIES are EXPOSED! Fu fairy said Jordan never played with a 2nd best player who was 32. WRONG. Pippen was 32 during the 97-98 season when the bulls won their 6th ring. He also said Jordan sat out "nearly the entire" fourth quarter of game 6 of the 92 finals. LIE. Jordan played 43 minutes that game and sat out before the fourth as well! Fu = exposed Fairy.
Fu-fairy flutterin back in on his fairy wings. Merk's threads? lol, nobody gives a crap about them. Far more activity many other places. You losers hang out in your loser-ville, I'll be out here persuading doubters. You lose fairy.
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sorry about that guys. u just witnessed me exposing this virgin maniac whos busting to actually talk to a female. let him do his thing its a way of life being in denial and far from reality, to him atleast.
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yeah in ur case it is, arent u the one with 4-5 accounts? Loooool. keep telling urself that kid. no actually u were born a crack. ill see u on ur dikenot account man, later "pimp" rooooofl
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thats right clown. u dont knw wat to say when facts are in ur face. reality is a bitch to frauds. man up child. im out have fun with "chick magnet" LMAO!
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dude u have 30000 youtube accounts LMAO. wow are you seriously talking? your hypocracy is funny kid. LMAO now ur married? AHAHAHHAA. theres no way ur married u hillbilly jordan jocker. yea u dont need to talk to girls yet ur here 24/7 adding them! LMAO. wat a fucking nerd
hey lemme leave a post for fusheng: "sucksheng cat eater"
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well ur picture is in ur avatar dummy. listen bitch stealing pictures is a crime i wouldnt do that if i was u. lmao at waffle spitting game with family. no wonder y ur so fucked up. stop talking about incest u freak. oh thats right u cant cuz ur an inbred. hey dvt ur other account needs sum love too LMAO
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i dont need to meet u to smell the bullshit a mile away dumbass. ur a fraud, loser, troll, virgin, faggot. stop the front already. we've been through this b4, u aint foolin no one clown. my nig i got bitches that i actually talk to outside the computer unlike u {u dont really talk to by the way}. can u handle reality? nopeeee
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LMAO who are you fooling? the only "girls" you speak to are the mj fan boys who squel like bitches everytime his legacy is being tainted. clean the sand from ur vagina u still arent getting laid dumbfuck.
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fraud once again bitch i wont ever meet u cuz ur either some fat freak or a bag of bones whos hasnt seen the sun in about a decade. i realize u post here everyday under different sns. i also realize we all cant be like u and add every chick that has a youtube account LMAO. damn no life bitch? dude has never had pussy! LOl
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im sure they found u out of the blue waffle. i mean with all that mj experience and thread hunting im willing to bet money they miraculously found ur dumbass and decided to add u. listen donut eater. ill repeat. u dont knw any of those bitches, u have no life, u have 3-4 other accounts, this is your job and will continue to be. yeah the new crop of virgins asked you to sign their ballsack.
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wackjob your sn screams no social life, being a loner and no experience talking to females ever!!! ROFL. you have 10x the amount in every other mj thread. i repeat you are the one with no life hahaha
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Hope they ban you? Maaaan you're not that important. Why are you trolling to see what I type, you want a date or something? LOL. They will ban you (as always) I don't have to hope for anything.
You and that goof UT, know not to bring your nonsense into Merk's threads when we poke fun at the Jockers,lol.
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again kid. y would i be afraid of a youtube screename let alone a some gay ass suburban bitch posting thinking he is hard. listen twinkie splat go back to where ever you came from and let the big boys talk. aite?
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lmao DIKENOT!!!! glad to see u did step 1 dumb fuck. scared to death of a virgin suicidal moron? good 1 kid. better sign into that zopound account, its looking lonely like ur social life loner.
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ya ya your not fooling anyone pedoclown. enuff with the front dikenot. stop acting like a little bitch and come out of the closet already o wait LMAO. yeah me dying not to come on youtube considering i took a month break basically after my account was suspended. hey but u dont have to worry about that cuz u got 4-5? ill say suck a dick jack.
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hey nice to knw u check up on me dikenotwafflezopoundcuntsuck. stop talking about urself. bitch ur in my way u will always get burned. u make mj fans look fucking stupid.
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Wrong dumbass, Clyde only joined Houston in mid-Feb while Dream was injured and was already 32 by the time he joined Houston, and they didn't have a decade together, unlike Pippen and MJ.
And sorry dumbass, The Lakers had 3 HOFers, Houston only had 2 all-stars, 1 of whom didn't make the HOF. Advantage LA. And Utah had 2 HOFers in 94, Houston only had 1.
Wow....Fu-fairy outdid himself on this one. Is he high? Drunk? Lying? Or just ignorant. All of the above? Pip played the entire 97-98 season at the age of 32, and was injured for nearly half of it. Fu-fairy dropping the ball again! LIES EXPOSED.
Try again Fu-Fairy, fluttering back in on your fairy wings. 86 rockets had a prime, pre injury Sampson, who, if not for his injuries, could very well have been a HOFer. Flutter on fairy-boy and educate yourself in nba history. Hakeem lost in the first round or failed to make the playoffs 11 times..repeat...11 times. Only 5 for MJ, and those only came at the beginning and end of his career.
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Yeah kinda like the defending champion86 Lakers with 3 HOFers were HUGE favourites vs. Houston. Kinda like Utah in 94 had 2 HOFers make 1st team all NBA and Hakeem had 0 beside him. Moses in '81. Rick Barry in 75.
Dumbass UTGoof Hakeem gets beat by "huge favourites" LA in 90 vs. MVP Magic and HOF Worthy with no help by his side and it's suddenly: "Hakeem can't get out the first round. But when MJ can't even win a game vs. Boston, it's: "MJ had no help, and Boston were huge favourites.
Tray again fu-fairy, the celts were HUGE favorites going into that series. MJ had Oakley..and nobody. Bird had TONS of help, even without Mchale. Jordan lost to a team who was favorited. Bird lost to an underdog, the 45 win knicks in 90 despite having mchale, parish, DJ, and a young Reggie Lewis, and homecourt! lol. WEAK.
i gotta give it to hakeem tho. despite having great role players he never really had that legit 2nd scorin option u knw. in 95 he did but it was a old out of prime drexler, still produced but wasnt mr glyde anymore.
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" gotta give it to hakeem tho"
Why thank you Blinkie. He had no help on the boards either, no PF to help him vs. double digit rebounder, Rodman and Robinson, or Grant and O Neal. And Clyde was 32....MJ's 2nd best star was never 32 years old.
usheng. hakeem was a great rebounder they didnt really need that. like i said they had great shooters and decent good role players to fill the space. im just saying tho he never really had a 2nd option til clyde.
Blinkie.....I don't know how Bird would do "in his prime" vs. MJ and Pippen in the 90s....... but I do know what an injury ridden Bird did vs. MJ "in his prime" alongside Pippen: watch?v=WoGmMx8Ejrw
thats nice. but didnt mj single handedly destroy da the celtics on numerous occasions? 63 pops up into my mind. imagine jordan playin with a prime pippen. game set match to the green.
Binka, hey man. In 90, the celts didn't play the bulls in the playoffs. The celts were 52-30 with Bird, mchale, Parish, DJ, and Reggie Lewis and lost to the 45 win knicks, despite BOS having home court.
mchale only missed 2 playoff games in 87 fu fairy. As well, Bird still was playing with DJ (a former finals mvp and all defense player) and a hall of famer center. Bulls had no answer for Parish, and the only guys to play over 87 minutes in the 3 game playoffs for the bulls besides Jordan were Oakley and Dave Corzine! lol. Jordan going to work with Sellers, gene banks, paxson, threatt, and elston turner. lol. As I said, Bird's team had a HUGE advantage. Game set match son!
Actually child, you can't go anyway without me kicking your ass YLT. You seriously have nothing and are so damn ignorant you thought: Kobe had a 1420 SAT, Ehlo was a great player of Jordan's era, didn't know MJ had 9 straight 40+ pt games, thought only marquee players could dunk in MJ's time, didn't know Artest said Jordan would probably drop 50 on him in his prime, and the best...you think mankind will exist forever! lol. This is the kind of comedic moron who thinks Kobe is GOAT. Enjoy! :)
That's right waffle, and remember, Horry played with Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan as well as Hakeem. I trust you've also seen that Bruce Bowen says Jordan is the toughest guy he's ever had to defend, and Jalen Rose says the same thing. And Artest says prime Jordan would have probably dropped 50 on him.
Fu getting shot down like a duck. Brains scattered across the field. Flailing around like a caught fish. Has no focus, no theme, just desperation. Getting killed like no other. So fun to watch! :)
rofl i can't go anywhere without u losing an argument. dude this is seriously getting ugly. u really need to come out of that alternate universe ur living in.
Try again fu-fairy, Jordan only faced Boston as a vast underdog having joined a 27 win bulls team and having no prime HOFers to assist him like Bird with Mchale, Parish. Of course, MJ never lost as an underdog, disgraceful, like Bird did in the 90s to the knicks. Once things got tougher, Bird and the celts buckled.
lol, fu-fairy is like a salmon swimming upstream being torn to shreds by a bear. Fighting a losing battle when everyone already knows Jordan is GOAT. Such self-annihliation is so adorable.
Poor stupid Fu-fairy, think that him calling guys "chumps" is evidence...lol, so laughable. Jordan matched up with MANY tough, strong, skilled players at his position and at SF child. No way around it. And any of those players would have big advantaged offensively playing today in the era of weak perimeter defensive rules.
Being called the greatest by 2 of the greatest team players ever: Bird and Magic means you understand the team concept, yes. They know a tad more than you do child about team ball. Bird in 87? Bird never won anything past 86. lol. Once the tough 90s rolled around he, parish, mchale, DJ, and Reggie Lewis lost to an underdog knicks team despite having homecourt! lol
That's right Phil, AI led the Sixers to the finals in a very weak East, post Jordan. Deal with it, you seem to be very hung up on it. Many players have good careers ahead of them, not just Mayo. That has been true of young players throughout the course of nba history child.
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Hey dork, no one said MJ wouldn't be a great SG or number 1. The point is comparing MJ as a rookie to Kobe today. Who was MJ matched up against as a rookie when making this comparison, you goofball? Who? 2nd year Clyde w/o a reliable jumpshot yet? A bunch of chumps at SG spot that's who. No Wade in 84-85, no Allen, No Tmac.
a rookie jordan matched up against kobe today would be an exciting match up, but yea, I would say Kobe at 30 is pretty seasoned and i'd give him the edge. jordan is a rookie far more athletic tho, and thats why it'd be fun to watch. now i'm just talkin' those guys matched up, i ain't sayin' nothin about who makes their team better. its true jordan didn't pass, but would u if that was your squad?
Remember, not only did Jordan score more and do so more efficiently than Kobe, but ALSO had more assists! lol. 1 on 1, the only way Kobe would have a shot at any age is to get hot from deep.
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Lol.....Yeah and Magic goes out and hits that off glass game winner in the Finals after making in and he calls Magic the greatest ever. Ok pal. Being called the greatest does not mean you understand the team concept dork.
Bird was known to have said after sweeping Mj's ass in 87: "Doesn't that guy know he will never beat us without passing the ball?" LOL. Why was MJ yelled at by Jackson in his rookie coaching season for not getting guys involved, and coach Collins before? Dumbass.
Try again wee Fu. Didn't understand the team concept as a young player? lol. Bird called him the greatest player he had ever played against..in Jordan's rookie season. :) Bam, you're done.
Wrong again child. So the years Jordan took more 3PTers according to your logic, the competition was better? so in 1990, when MJ took many more 3's than he had, and shot .376, I guess the competition suddenly got better huh? lol, dufus. MJ developed the long game to help save his body from the pounding he was getting from the incredibly tough interior defense allowed in that day and time. Education, look into it fu-fairy.
Try again fu-fairy, Kobe takes plenty of 3s when he is matched up with inferior players. So who you match up with does not determine whether or not a player takes more 3s. Jordan's athleticism as a young player would be #1 at the SG spot in any year....ever. With the perimeter rules in place today, he would get whatever he wanted on the offensive end, whenever he wanted it.
MJ joined a 27 win bulls team in 84 child, and improved them every year he was healthy, despite this occurring when MJ was not in his prime. Kobe's down years occurred in his prime. Big difference child. Education, look into it. Hakeem failed to make the playoffs or lost in the first round 11 distinct seasons, a veritable career for many!
Showing a team made a run with a player on the bench is irrelevant tiny fu-fairy. That does not mean the bulls would not have made an EQUAL or GREATER run if MJ had been in the game! hah. Use your brain tiny fu-fairy!
Wow, more stupid Fu-Fairy, good stuff. I never said NOBODY ever won save for MJ without a dominant big man, so you pointing out 3 times it occurred in 35 other than MJ is irrelevant child. Braindead fu?
"Rookie MJ barely took any 3s, he didn't need to. "
Yeah because he was matched up against chumps night in and out at the SG spot, and furthermore he couldn't shoot the 3 well at that age and you know it. This guy got yelled at in late 80s to get guys involved and you're telling me as a rookie, he's on Kobe's level today,lol. Idiot, get your head out the statbook, he didn't understand the team concept despite those impressive #s, and was matched against stiffs night in and out at SG spot.
oh yeah & kobe goes up against better SG. lets see jj redick 6'4, ben gordon 6'3, west 6'3 oj mayo 6'4, eric gordon 6'3 jerryd bayless 6'3 iverson 6'0 , fred jones 6'2 juan dixon 6'3 kobe goes up against alot of short ppl @ shooting guard.
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Who was even mentioning height here? 6'0" Iverson? Are you freakin kidding me pal? A damned career 27ppg scorer (a real cancer though), that took Philly to a Finals, won a MVP. Put Mj's old ass on the highlight reel. Who was good as prime A.I. in 84-85 season that MJ faced?
thomas was better than A.I. in the 84-85 season, not only making himself look good but also his team, A.I. just like almost everyone in this era only knows how 2 make themselves look good. the height i mentioned cuz that's what kobe homers always bring up that jordan went up against short players, well KB goes up against short players as well.
u can try 2 down play jordan all u like & make kobe seem like he's better but ur opinion doesn't mean shit. ur not an expert & the majority of the experts have said jordan is the GOAT. sorry u lose. good try though
Goofball, Rick Barry won a title w/o a dominant big man, Isiah won 2 titles w/o a dominant big man, so just shut da hell up with this MJ won w/o a dominant big man bullcrap,lol.
Why'd I mention Portland in 92? Well this is a GOAT thread? They made a run while MJ was on the bench down 15, he came back and they finished off the job. As a Dream fan, I never saw the Rockets down 15 and Dream sitting on the bench and his team suddenly go on a run while a great center was on the floor.
"riding the pine in the 4th quarter of game 6 of the 92 final" Fu fucker I've already exposed this LIE you tell. Jordan played 43 minutes in game 6 and sat out BEFORE the fourth quarter started as well. Phil frequently had MJ sit at the beginning of the fourth as he does with Kobe. MJ played most of the fourth quarter of game 6 92 finals. LIE EXPOSED.
if you think lebron or kobe is better than mike you nuts are you nuts? not to mention clutch time it was mike , defense, mike, mvp and defensive mvp same season!, lebron playn in a zone era, and always comes up short in crunch time!mike lived for the moment and had a will to win, thats also why hes the greatest! and check march 1989 he had almost a quadruple double against boston and bird and the gang, 42 ponits 9 steals, 11 rebounds, and 9 assist, t michael jordan is the greates player ever.
MrCrupac 2 weeks ago
@franmicgom, you have no idea what you're talking about.
tsoprano1977 1 month ago
i can say robert horry is better than spencer hawes, danny granger, kevin durant and tiago splitter because he got the rings
billslover90 1 month ago
If there was not Horry, Rockets wouldn't have won in 95, Lakers wouldn't have won in 2001 and 2002, spurs would have lost in 2005.... He hit so many big shots that is unbelieveble. Yes he was a role player, but his role was scoring big big huge baskets. HOF ... if Miami had Horry instead of Queen James they would have won.
peskelj 8 months ago
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manakoebunz 8 months ago
Here is the argument in a nutshell.
When Jordan was playing THERE WAS NO COMPARISON. Not Miller, not Barkley, not Olajuwan, not Ewing, not anyone.
Lebron vs. Kobe is a legit debate, Lebron vs. Wade is a good debate. And Durant and Rose are coming up close.
So until Lebron is UNQUESTIONABLy the best all this is pointless.
Jordan-Woods-Gretzky
How many other sports can lay claim to a completely UNDISPUTED player?
Lebron as a fact is not undisputed. Jordan was and is. THE END.
ShawAbbas 8 months ago
Horry was a great role player, not a hall of fame player, not even close
farneyblakeley 10 months ago
even Phil Jackson said "MJ would average 45ppg in today's game"
No 3sec & handchecking rules make MJ score easier !!!
69points 10 months ago
@69points
Exactly. Look at the perimeter PGs like Nash, Kidd, Chauncey B, who played in the 90's and into the 'Modern era. In the early 2000's, their scoring average all went up in the same year, including FT. That was NOT a fluke.
Game was changed to make more easier scoring. Today, you have the likes of D Wade and Lebron James, almost Champions getting laughed at by Charles Barkely bc they did'nt know how to play against a basic screen.
at1212b 8 months ago
@at1212b absolutely true
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
michael jordan is the greatest ever, the whole world knows....
mmaxsters 1 year ago
This isn't news. Everyone with a tad of bball knowledge knows MJ is the best of all time. Not many know about MJ being an ahole and cheating on his wife a bunch, etc.
StandupShowcase 1 year ago
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kobe is better
2pacisthebest90 1 year ago
@2pacisthebest90 LMAO Kobe is better than who? Robert Horry LOOL!
falkner23 1 year ago
shut up idiot kobe best
2pacisthebest90 1 year ago
@2pacisthebest90 best at what exactly shooting under 50% nearly every single game?
falkner23 1 year ago
@2pacisthebest90 thought u said tupac is the best tho?
bruthanumba3 1 year ago
@2pacisthebest90 wow ur statement is comepletely and totally WRONG!!!!! Dumb Cunt
Yug313 1 year ago
very true
mmaxsters 1 year ago
Robert Horry is a pure class act
Thumbs up for the Hall of Fame
billmang101 1 year ago 3
@billmang101
Definitely. MJ is the ONE guy you didn't want to get into a physical and mental match up with.
But what's funny is, as tough as MJ was, he was truly from the ol school, where they were TOUGH. No complainin.. you just put your head down take your knocks and give it. No bail out by the refs. But muscle, power per square inch, MJ was up there.
at1212b 1 year ago
@billmang101 class act? ok im not gona take away the fact that hes a 7 time champion but please, hes never averaged more than 25 ppg a a game and has been a role player at best . if guys like dennis rodman arnt getting in the hall of fame horry shoudnt. not to mention he was a dirty player and flopped more than ginobli on crack
dawnoflife3 1 year ago
@dawnoflife3 Dennis rodman is a psycho so dont come at me with that bullshit, the hall of fame is not made for people who have mental problems. Now who the fuck says you have to average 25 ppg to be in the hall of fame....do they got a book that says that shit cuz if they do PLEASE show me. Robert Horry won sooooo many championships for teams its scary, and you say he's dirty? The only thing that comes close to him being dirty was when steve nash flew like a little pussy outta bounds. So plz die
billmang101 1 year ago
@billmang101 physical or mental conditions to not come into consideration for HOF. these are personal baketball achievements, not what happened off the court, robert horry was a mere role player. never averaged more than 25 mpg. championships dont get u in the hall of fame. just ask guys like karl malome, charles barkley , patrick ewing and soon to be steve nash and dirk nowitzki etc. just cause he happened to land on teams that won championships didnt mean he was the key peice . no HOF for him
dawnoflife3 1 year ago
@dawnoflife3 Are u stupid?? So ur telling me Horry wasnt a key piece on all of the championship teams he was on? If u really think that, then may god have mercy on ur soul!
billmang101 1 year ago
@billmang101 had they replaced him with any other serviceable PF who doesnt flop around all over the place, absolutely they woudve won just as many championships. championships do not determine how good of a player you are, its a TEAM accomplishment , MVP's and such are what get u in the HOF. if guys like dennis rodman arnt getting in the hof then horry shoudnt either
dawnoflife3 1 year ago
@dawnoflife3
Looks like Dennis Rodman got in!
ponmlk 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful And he played WITH Kobe. Horry is probably one of the best authorities when it comes to comparing the two players.
hoopfan71 1 year ago
"lots of guys are good and lots of guys have skill but only one has this level of ARTISTRY" THY NAME IS MICHAEL#23 GOAT!!
leia072306 1 year ago
YES! This is a guy that played with Kobe, and still puts Jordan on top. Wise man...
slimshaid 1 year ago 5
@slimshaid Exactly. He played with and against Shaq, Kobe, Olajuwon, and Duncan and says Jordan is the best "by far". Really common sense when you know your stuff.
utfanatic2000 1 year ago 3
@utfanatic2000 Exactly. And Olajuwon only got his ring after MJ retired. Same as David Robinson. Great great palyers, but they so many Hall of Famers were denied the ring when MJ was on top. Eve nat age 38-41, Mj was scoring 40+points and even 50 pt games. But today's NBA has a style to try and make scoring easier. Touch fouls, no hand checking, refs calling games and team stacking. Lakers with 4 ALL Stars, Heat with 3 Superstars. Celtics with 3. MJ did it with him and Pippen.
Shermstyle23 1 year ago
lol lmao!!!!!!! "Ohhh, he's little but he's strong" lol!
bashir619 1 year ago 3
LOL "I remember one time I ran into him I was like oooooo!! he's little but he's strong" thats the biggest difference between kobe and mj...Mj had superior upper body strength compared to kobe
dacizzle23 1 year ago 3
IDGAF what nobody say...I am an 80s baby and I like Kobe Bryant. Point Blank period...WE WILL NEVER SEE ANOTHER PLAYER LIKE MJ EVER! Not has he only changed the game on the court but he was the FACE of basketball everywhere around the world. Lets talk about the finals...THE BULLS wit Jordan has NEVER even seen a game 7...
tashas 1 year ago
@tashas So true. And the Bulls with Jordan has never seen a Finals loss either. Once Michael shows up, he shows up to play and you knew they were going to win. Kobe has 5 out of 7 possible rings, and I know you cant win every time you go to the Finals, unless of course, you're name is Michael Jordan.
Joelfolife 1 year ago
@Joelfolife And I saw on espn last year after the Cavs being eliminated again that MJ was 23-0 in the series where the Bulls had home-court advantage! Never lost a series, talk about a winner.
pancon5 1 year ago
Michael Jordan Is Far The Best Basketball Player ... Great Horry !
molasda 1 year ago 2
Jordan didn't run away when he lost many games in the playoffs during his career...He won his first ring in his mid 20s..Lebron ran away after 7 seasons...Jordan has 6 rings...two times three peats...Lebron none....Jordan has more seasons and finals MVPs...I don't think Lebron will win another season MVP. The only person that can compare to Jordan is Kobe Bryant because Kobe has a three peat 2000,2001,2002 and on the verge of getting his 2nd three peat. Kobe didn't run away
ryn7yen2 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 thats your best anwer?...really?...collecting titles?...are you playing in LA lakers....hahaha...you´re really out of mind...the discusion is "who is the best"...ok....JORDAN is GOAT...KO "wanna" BE (like mike) BRYANT suuuucckkkkksssss...(pathetic, sad and gay is your nickname..."mikenotnumberone1"...hahahaha...you are really obsessed)...listen my friend...MICHAEL AIR JORDAN the best of all time...KO "wanna" BE (like mike) BRYANT...is not even close. SAD BUT TRUE!!! hahahahaha...
superpanbolero 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 you realize all of ur MJ dissing was killed yet again by kobe's mediocre performance again in an nba finals? No way in hell u can argue kobe has more consistent games than gasol. and Kobe went 10-29 in game 3 and 6-24 in game 7 and the lakers won both games...go figure. I know you dont like MJ, but instead of belittling MJ tell us all why you think Kobe bryant is better?
dmun5587red123 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 hahaha very nice idiot answer..."creamed in the threads"..hahaha...your´e a an asshole...really.....and remember KO "wanna" BE (like mike) BRYANT....hahahahahahaha....loooooosssseeeeeerrrrrr.....hahahahaha....
superpanbolero 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 hahahaha....looooooossssseeeeerrrrr......mike is GOAT....kobe sucks....and you too...have a nice life...dreaming with kobe in your bed....and nice nightmares with MICHAEL AIR JORDAN.....hahahahahaha
superpanbolero 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 yoo loose mike is GOAT...loooooseeeerrrrr....you live in a very diferent world poor guy...hahahaha
superpanbolero 1 year ago
horry played with KO-"wanna" BE (like mike) BRYANT, and he´s saying mj is the best, and also he´s 7 rings...end of conversation....no body can be like mike...hes GOAT....by the way "mikenotnumberone" is the most stupid guy in youtube...just a fucking fat bald and nazy guy who feels very bad behind is keyboard...
superpanbolero 1 year ago
Robert Horry Got 7 Ring Then Jordan
RAIDERSSUCK23 1 year ago
Very cool. Gotta love Horry, he knows what's up. He played with and against Olajuwon, Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe, and he says Jordan is EASILY the best he has played against. Jordan GOAT, no debate.
utfanatic2000 1 year ago 4
@mikenotnumber1 ....damn,mikenot.....telling people i have other profiles....your about as stupid as you are fat.....u come to that conclusion just because i have my profile blocked?....albert einstein you are not....
And the Nobel Prize goes to......
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago 2
@mikenotnumber1 ....damn,mikenot.....telling people i have other profiles....your about as stupid as you are fat.....u come to that conclusion just because i have my profile blocked?....albert einstein you are not....
And the Nobel Prize goes to......
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago 2
mikenotnumber1, you have to be the dumbest cunt on the face of this planet....hey look here this is someone who played with that fag kobe and he is saying MJ is the GOAT..i love how u fucks never bring any prove(bc there isnt any) of how kobe is better than MJ...when us who have common sense and know MJ is the best ever can easily back up our claims
romadkern 2 years ago 24
romadkern
You are waisting your time with this mikenotnumber1 trust me I've had a tiff with him now for weeks in the end I had to stop posting . Problem is I think he has some serious issues, it's like MJ raped his team, him or maybe his mother ( O no wait that's Kobe). He makes it his life work to slag of MJ and trust me if you listen to his arguments enough you will realise he is very very sick and can't see or except reality.
mj4life
Keranofkri 2 years ago 2
@romadkern Lebron is faster, quicker, stronger, can jump higher, tougher, better shooter, better defender, better rebounder, passer and just as good in every other category than MJ therefore Lebron destroys MJ no contest! if Lebron played in MJ's ERA he would have taken his talents and shoved them up Mj's ass hugging shorts hahaha
franmicgom 7 months ago
@franmicgom
Wrong
Jordan and Lebron are equally as fast, Jordan was quicker, jumped higher (48 inch vertical), was tougher (worked in the low-post way more), Jordan was by far a better shooter (his mid-range is the best in NBA history), Jordan was also a better defender with DPOY, and 200/100 block/steal seasons and 3 steal titles and 9x 1st defensive team
Get your facts straight please
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
Mikenotnumber1 or Kobitch! I know ur an expert on cocksucking. You are writing a book about it. You're the queen on it. Just rub your pussy Kobitch!
BENKATOK 2 years ago 8
LOL! I am not like you who hides in other accounts. That's just Kobitch! You are a loser. You try too hard to help your idol but you faied. You're a loser Kobitch!
BENKATOK 2 years ago 3
LOL! Mikenotnumber1 you are a loser! Just rub you pussy while sucking Kobe! Kobitch!
BENKATOK 2 years ago 4
WOW you're an idiot,MJ said that he couldn't do it without Pippen,how did he dissed them,hater
trowabarton321 2 years ago 3
Robert Horry is not the first one said Jordan is strong.
And also not the second, third..one said Jordan improve his teammates.
jimmychuang 2 years ago 4
yes you have your own punny brain.. and that brain of yours doesnt have any logic at all.. i guess youre just studying at home. cause only your parents have the patience to teach you..somebody fast learner like you.haha..didnt you just see the video!? haha..playing blind just to save his ass in an argument.
WATiMEANTto 2 years ago
no. you listen to more experts and people who say mj is greatest..must be a reason why they call him GOAT..sure some might say kobes better. people like you who were born yesterday and had not seen mj play, especially at his prime..but most people who seen both wil tell ya whos better... deep inside you know its mj
WATiMEANTto 2 years ago
and what about you? what did you ever do, so people would believe you know better than these guys about basketball.youre just a conceited punk who thinks he knows it all..and yet doesnt have the balls to admit his mistakes.. or maybe you have another version of this story..youre good at that anyway.haha haha
WATiMEANTto 2 years ago
yet were talking about basketball, why do you have to dig into their personal lives? that is beyond basketball, youre going the wrong way again bitch..ooppss. thought you could get away with it?haha
WATiMEANTto 2 years ago
here we go again. youre going the wrong way. why dont you just answer the question. do you believe you know better than magic and chuck?! just answer the question please.thank you
WATiMEANTto 2 years ago
no reply? i guess youre conceding.haha haha.. MICHAEL BUFFER: and still, the most out talkable asshole in the world..mikenotnumber1!!!! wooooot wooooot!!!
WATiMEANTto 2 years ago
no greatest in team sport? says who?YOU?! haha.. so your opinion about that matters, and the opinion of horry,chuck, magic, and the others regarding mj as the greatest doesnt?! you really are a conceited bitch.. you got the nerves to say something like that..one thing for sure though, youre the greatest STORYTELLER/EDITOR ever!
WATiMEANTto 2 years ago
again the storyteller/editor is not man enough to accept that mj is the GREATEST baller ever..such a pity
WATiMEANTto 2 years ago
what now BITCH?! whos better now?haha haha
WATiMEANTto 2 years ago
Grown men should not type "lol". Thats the gayest shit ever. Stop it already.
Mykoveli 2 years ago 2
after his 1st retirement jordan became a total beast muscle wise
thereemix 2 years ago
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suck my dick
dv122 2 years ago
Horry played with Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and Olajuwon and says MJ is the greatest by "FAR". Nice. Horry knows the truth, like most of humanity.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 17
yeah u r rite. and people can finally stop the arguement abt lebron kobe comparison to mj. we all internet users never played any of them. robert horry played against all and played with 2 of them. so he has A LOT MORE CREDIT then we do.
wanyiren 2 years ago 3
Try again fu-fairy, I have not been here in 3 days. Try posting reasonable comments and you may not get the thumbs down you are apparently getting.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 28
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someone is thumbing all my posts. its pathetic.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
Yeah, I see that dude. Looks like you made an enemy. lol. Waffle?
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
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Why even bother in this thread when Waffle-Fag and Ut-Fag are busy pulling on another's thumbs outta each others asses and thumbs downing all the comments, and thumbing each other? LOL
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
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y do i have two thumbs down? some jocker logging in and out of profiles doing that? pathetic.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
Once again the fu-fairy doesn't admit when his LIES are EXPOSED! Fu fairy said Jordan never played with a 2nd best player who was 32. WRONG. Pippen was 32 during the 97-98 season when the bulls won their 6th ring. He also said Jordan sat out "nearly the entire" fourth quarter of game 6 of the 92 finals. LIE. Jordan played 43 minutes that game and sat out before the fourth as well! Fu = exposed Fairy.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 42
@utfanatic2000 Jordan was 35 when he won his 6th Ring
Capo02110 1 year ago
@Capo02110 No kidding.
utfanatic2000 1 year ago
Fu-fairy flutterin back in on his fairy wings. Merk's threads? lol, nobody gives a crap about them. Far more activity many other places. You losers hang out in your loser-ville, I'll be out here persuading doubters. You lose fairy.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 37
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sorry about that guys. u just witnessed me exposing this virgin maniac whos busting to actually talk to a female. let him do his thing its a way of life being in denial and far from reality, to him atleast.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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yeah in ur case it is, arent u the one with 4-5 accounts? Loooool. keep telling urself that kid. no actually u were born a crack. ill see u on ur dikenot account man, later "pimp" rooooofl
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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thats right clown. u dont knw wat to say when facts are in ur face. reality is a bitch to frauds. man up child. im out have fun with "chick magnet" LMAO!
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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lmao getting exposed with each and every comment fuckface.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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dude u have 30000 youtube accounts LMAO. wow are you seriously talking? your hypocracy is funny kid. LMAO now ur married? AHAHAHHAA. theres no way ur married u hillbilly jordan jocker. yea u dont need to talk to girls yet ur here 24/7 adding them! LMAO. wat a fucking nerd
hey lemme leave a post for fusheng: "sucksheng cat eater"
some married life eh chip?
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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well ur picture is in ur avatar dummy. listen bitch stealing pictures is a crime i wouldnt do that if i was u. lmao at waffle spitting game with family. no wonder y ur so fucked up. stop talking about incest u freak. oh thats right u cant cuz ur an inbred. hey dvt ur other account needs sum love too LMAO
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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i dont need to meet u to smell the bullshit a mile away dumbass. ur a fraud, loser, troll, virgin, faggot. stop the front already. we've been through this b4, u aint foolin no one clown. my nig i got bitches that i actually talk to outside the computer unlike u {u dont really talk to by the way}. can u handle reality? nopeeee
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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i wouldnt be surprised if that was ur avatar. jocking pictures now faggot? claiming thats u?
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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LMAO who are you fooling? the only "girls" you speak to are the mj fan boys who squel like bitches everytime his legacy is being tainted. clean the sand from ur vagina u still arent getting laid dumbfuck.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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fraud once again bitch i wont ever meet u cuz ur either some fat freak or a bag of bones whos hasnt seen the sun in about a decade. i realize u post here everyday under different sns. i also realize we all cant be like u and add every chick that has a youtube account LMAO. damn no life bitch? dude has never had pussy! LOl
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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im sure they found u out of the blue waffle. i mean with all that mj experience and thread hunting im willing to bet money they miraculously found ur dumbass and decided to add u. listen donut eater. ill repeat. u dont knw any of those bitches, u have no life, u have 3-4 other accounts, this is your job and will continue to be. yeah the new crop of virgins asked you to sign their ballsack.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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wackjob your sn screams no social life, being a loner and no experience talking to females ever!!! ROFL. you have 10x the amount in every other mj thread. i repeat you are the one with no life hahaha
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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nvm his social life is jordan my fault
LOL
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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lmaooo this pussy added 30+ female youtube friends who he has never actually interracted with. thats hella pathetic ROFL
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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Hope they ban you? Maaaan you're not that important. Why are you trolling to see what I type, you want a date or something? LOL. They will ban you (as always) I don't have to hope for anything.
You and that goof UT, know not to bring your nonsense into Merk's threads when we poke fun at the Jockers,lol.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
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again kid. y would i be afraid of a youtube screename let alone a some gay ass suburban bitch posting thinking he is hard. listen twinkie splat go back to where ever you came from and let the big boys talk. aite?
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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lmao DIKENOT!!!! glad to see u did step 1 dumb fuck. scared to death of a virgin suicidal moron? good 1 kid. better sign into that zopound account, its looking lonely like ur social life loner.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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ya ya your not fooling anyone pedoclown. enuff with the front dikenot. stop acting like a little bitch and come out of the closet already o wait LMAO. yeah me dying not to come on youtube considering i took a month break basically after my account was suspended. hey but u dont have to worry about that cuz u got 4-5? ill say suck a dick jack.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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Waffle....if MJ offered you a job as the Hanes underwear runway model starting Monday, would you quit youtube for good?
No one likes you!! You've been banned already and thrown under a bus and you come back for more abuse,LOL. Even some Jordan Jockers don't like you.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
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hey nice to knw u check up on me dikenotwafflezopoundcuntsuck. stop talking about urself. bitch ur in my way u will always get burned. u make mj fans look fucking stupid.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
damn man how many god damn accounts do u have. holy fucking shit.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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Lmao this wafflesplat guy is in love with jordan. infatuation is a understatement.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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I mean i wanna hear that when MJ "retired" he had some kinda injury or something, or just got plain old.
Oh well at least it saved him from this: watch?v=bA17EiF3PKs happening to him repeatedly in the playoffs.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
and fusheng he has 6 rings. thats all u need to know enough with the fucking hating.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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Hey like the verse in the Jet Li movie when the monk says:
"Kung Fu is not for attack!"
Jet Li replies: "I must be allowed to use my Kung Fu to defend myself from evil". LOL.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
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LMAO! have u seen this guys profile? all of his "friends" are chicks. is he some sort of stalker? def hasnt been close to pussy ever in his life.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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So what should I be saying Waffle?
Hakeem only won because MJ was a whore chasing gambling quitter than left the NBA to become America's lousiest outfielder?
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
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"Hakeem none while Jordan played"
Here waffle allow me to refresh your memory: watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w
LOL.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
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Wrong dumbass, Clyde only joined Houston in mid-Feb while Dream was injured and was already 32 by the time he joined Houston, and they didn't have a decade together, unlike Pippen and MJ.
And sorry dumbass, The Lakers had 3 HOFers, Houston only had 2 all-stars, 1 of whom didn't make the HOF. Advantage LA. And Utah had 2 HOFers in 94, Houston only had 1.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
"MJ's 2nd best star was never 32 years old."
Wow....Fu-fairy outdid himself on this one. Is he high? Drunk? Lying? Or just ignorant. All of the above? Pip played the entire 97-98 season at the age of 32, and was injured for nearly half of it. Fu-fairy dropping the ball again! LIES EXPOSED.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 2
Try again Fu-Fairy, fluttering back in on your fairy wings. 86 rockets had a prime, pre injury Sampson, who, if not for his injuries, could very well have been a HOFer. Flutter on fairy-boy and educate yourself in nba history. Hakeem lost in the first round or failed to make the playoffs 11 times..repeat...11 times. Only 5 for MJ, and those only came at the beginning and end of his career.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 2
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Yeah kinda like the defending champion86 Lakers with 3 HOFers were HUGE favourites vs. Houston. Kinda like Utah in 94 had 2 HOFers make 1st team all NBA and Hakeem had 0 beside him. Moses in '81. Rick Barry in 75.
Dumbass UTGoof Hakeem gets beat by "huge favourites" LA in 90 vs. MVP Magic and HOF Worthy with no help by his side and it's suddenly: "Hakeem can't get out the first round. But when MJ can't even win a game vs. Boston, it's: "MJ had no help, and Boston were huge favourites.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
Tray again fu-fairy, the celts were HUGE favorites going into that series. MJ had Oakley..and nobody. Bird had TONS of help, even without Mchale. Jordan lost to a team who was favorited. Bird lost to an underdog, the 45 win knicks in 90 despite having mchale, parish, DJ, and a young Reggie Lewis, and homecourt! lol. WEAK.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
i gotta give it to hakeem tho. despite having great role players he never really had that legit 2nd scorin option u knw. in 95 he did but it was a old out of prime drexler, still produced but wasnt mr glyde anymore.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
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" gotta give it to hakeem tho"
Why thank you Blinkie. He had no help on the boards either, no PF to help him vs. double digit rebounder, Rodman and Robinson, or Grant and O Neal. And Clyde was 32....MJ's 2nd best star was never 32 years old.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
usheng. hakeem was a great rebounder they didnt really need that. like i said they had great shooters and decent good role players to fill the space. im just saying tho he never really had a 2nd option til clyde.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
Blinkie.....I don't know how Bird would do "in his prime" vs. MJ and Pippen in the 90s....... but I do know what an injury ridden Bird did vs. MJ "in his prime" alongside Pippen: watch?v=WoGmMx8Ejrw
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
thats nice. but didnt mj single handedly destroy da the celtics on numerous occasions? 63 pops up into my mind. imagine jordan playin with a prime pippen. game set match to the green.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
Ahhhh so other past greats could win a playoff series vs. teams with more than 1 HOFer on their team, but MJ couldn't w/o Pippen? Uh huh.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
who did mj have b4 pippen? all greats need a sidekick or a good 2nd option fubu u knw this man.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
Bird never won past 86 and never had to face the 90s bulls, lucky for him.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
hey how do u think bird would do with the bulls/scottie pippen? 6 championships in his prime? dont think so lol.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
i thought the Celtics with Bird played the Bulls in the 90's playoffs didn't they?
binka21 2 years ago
Binka, hey man. In 90, the celts didn't play the bulls in the playoffs. The celts were 52-30 with Bird, mchale, Parish, DJ, and Reggie Lewis and lost to the 45 win knicks, despite BOS having home court.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
huh? i knw that ut im just saying what jordan did against the celtics in the past. imagine jordan having a good team vs the celtics in the 80s lol.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
Blink, that comment was not directed to you my man.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
o my bad.
xblinkedshadow1 2 years ago
mchale only missed 2 playoff games in 87 fu fairy. As well, Bird still was playing with DJ (a former finals mvp and all defense player) and a hall of famer center. Bulls had no answer for Parish, and the only guys to play over 87 minutes in the 3 game playoffs for the bulls besides Jordan were Oakley and Dave Corzine! lol. Jordan going to work with Sellers, gene banks, paxson, threatt, and elston turner. lol. As I said, Bird's team had a HUGE advantage. Game set match son!
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Wrong!!!.......Bird swept MJ's ass w/o McHale in 87,LOL, so your lame "Bird had HOFers with him" argument has been crammed down your throat.
MJ could only win vs. Bird when he was down and out injured after '88.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
Lol....blinkie...banned again.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
lmao fubu = cooked well done
2xblinkedshadowx4 2 years ago
Actually child, you can't go anyway without me kicking your ass YLT. You seriously have nothing and are so damn ignorant you thought: Kobe had a 1420 SAT, Ehlo was a great player of Jordan's era, didn't know MJ had 9 straight 40+ pt games, thought only marquee players could dunk in MJ's time, didn't know Artest said Jordan would probably drop 50 on him in his prime, and the best...you think mankind will exist forever! lol. This is the kind of comedic moron who thinks Kobe is GOAT. Enjoy! :)
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
That's right waffle, and remember, Horry played with Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan as well as Hakeem. I trust you've also seen that Bruce Bowen says Jordan is the toughest guy he's ever had to defend, and Jalen Rose says the same thing. And Artest says prime Jordan would have probably dropped 50 on him.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 3
Fu getting shot down like a duck. Brains scattered across the field. Flailing around like a caught fish. Has no focus, no theme, just desperation. Getting killed like no other. So fun to watch! :)
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 3
rofl i can't go anywhere without u losing an argument. dude this is seriously getting ugly. u really need to come out of that alternate universe ur living in.
ylt34c 2 years ago
Try again fu-fairy, Jordan only faced Boston as a vast underdog having joined a 27 win bulls team and having no prime HOFers to assist him like Bird with Mchale, Parish. Of course, MJ never lost as an underdog, disgraceful, like Bird did in the 90s to the knicks. Once things got tougher, Bird and the celts buckled.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 2
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"Bird never won anything in the tough 90s?"
Funny, how many career playoff wins did MJ have vs. Bird in the not-so-tough 80s? Not much cooking there huh? Any MJ gamewinners in Bird's face?
Riddle: Who wept like a bitch on his dads lap after 3 straight playoff beatdowns to a 80s team? Who begged outta a Game 7 with a migraine? LMAOFFF.
I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Bird.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
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Oh brother? Post Jordan? Hey boys and girls lets annul every NBA title winner championship that MJ never faced over the course of 60 years.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
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Hey look boys and girls it's Wafflle House back from his ban. I thought youtube threw you off a cliff,LOL.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
lol, fu-fairy is like a salmon swimming upstream being torn to shreds by a bear. Fighting a losing battle when everyone already knows Jordan is GOAT. Such self-annihliation is so adorable.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 3
"Clyde without a reliable jumpshot yet" says the Fu-fairy...yeah, sort of like LBJ or Wade! BAM, you're done kid.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 3
Poor stupid Fu-fairy, think that him calling guys "chumps" is evidence...lol, so laughable. Jordan matched up with MANY tough, strong, skilled players at his position and at SF child. No way around it. And any of those players would have big advantaged offensively playing today in the era of weak perimeter defensive rules.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago 3
Being called the greatest by 2 of the greatest team players ever: Bird and Magic means you understand the team concept, yes. They know a tad more than you do child about team ball. Bird in 87? Bird never won anything past 86. lol. Once the tough 90s rolled around he, parish, mchale, DJ, and Reggie Lewis lost to an underdog knicks team despite having homecourt! lol
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
That's right Phil, AI led the Sixers to the finals in a very weak East, post Jordan. Deal with it, you seem to be very hung up on it. Many players have good careers ahead of them, not just Mayo. That has been true of young players throughout the course of nba history child.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
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Hey dork, no one said MJ wouldn't be a great SG or number 1. The point is comparing MJ as a rookie to Kobe today. Who was MJ matched up against as a rookie when making this comparison, you goofball? Who? 2nd year Clyde w/o a reliable jumpshot yet? A bunch of chumps at SG spot that's who. No Wade in 84-85, no Allen, No Tmac.
MJ = the Rocky Marciano of the NBA,LOL.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
a rookie jordan matched up against kobe today would be an exciting match up, but yea, I would say Kobe at 30 is pretty seasoned and i'd give him the edge. jordan is a rookie far more athletic tho, and thats why it'd be fun to watch. now i'm just talkin' those guys matched up, i ain't sayin' nothin about who makes their team better. its true jordan didn't pass, but would u if that was your squad?
pheeeel17 2 years ago
He was called out for "not passing" even in the late 80s under Jackson and Collins.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
Remember, not only did Jordan score more and do so more efficiently than Kobe, but ALSO had more assists! lol. 1 on 1, the only way Kobe would have a shot at any age is to get hot from deep.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
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Lol.....Yeah and Magic goes out and hits that off glass game winner in the Finals after making in and he calls Magic the greatest ever. Ok pal. Being called the greatest does not mean you understand the team concept dork.
Bird was known to have said after sweeping Mj's ass in 87: "Doesn't that guy know he will never beat us without passing the ball?" LOL. Why was MJ yelled at by Jackson in his rookie coaching season for not getting guys involved, and coach Collins before? Dumbass.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
Try again wee Fu. Didn't understand the team concept as a young player? lol. Bird called him the greatest player he had ever played against..in Jordan's rookie season. :) Bam, you're done.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Wrong again child. So the years Jordan took more 3PTers according to your logic, the competition was better? so in 1990, when MJ took many more 3's than he had, and shot .376, I guess the competition suddenly got better huh? lol, dufus. MJ developed the long game to help save his body from the pounding he was getting from the incredibly tough interior defense allowed in that day and time. Education, look into it fu-fairy.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Try again fu-fairy, Kobe takes plenty of 3s when he is matched up with inferior players. So who you match up with does not determine whether or not a player takes more 3s. Jordan's athleticism as a young player would be #1 at the SG spot in any year....ever. With the perimeter rules in place today, he would get whatever he wanted on the offensive end, whenever he wanted it.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
MJ joined a 27 win bulls team in 84 child, and improved them every year he was healthy, despite this occurring when MJ was not in his prime. Kobe's down years occurred in his prime. Big difference child. Education, look into it. Hakeem failed to make the playoffs or lost in the first round 11 distinct seasons, a veritable career for many!
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Showing a team made a run with a player on the bench is irrelevant tiny fu-fairy. That does not mean the bulls would not have made an EQUAL or GREATER run if MJ had been in the game! hah. Use your brain tiny fu-fairy!
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Wow, more stupid Fu-Fairy, good stuff. I never said NOBODY ever won save for MJ without a dominant big man, so you pointing out 3 times it occurred in 35 other than MJ is irrelevant child. Braindead fu?
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
"Rookie MJ barely took any 3s, he didn't need to. "
Yeah because he was matched up against chumps night in and out at the SG spot, and furthermore he couldn't shoot the 3 well at that age and you know it. This guy got yelled at in late 80s to get guys involved and you're telling me as a rookie, he's on Kobe's level today,lol. Idiot, get your head out the statbook, he didn't understand the team concept despite those impressive #s, and was matched against stiffs night in and out at SG spot.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
oh yeah & kobe goes up against better SG. lets see jj redick 6'4, ben gordon 6'3, west 6'3 oj mayo 6'4, eric gordon 6'3 jerryd bayless 6'3 iverson 6'0 , fred jones 6'2 juan dixon 6'3 kobe goes up against alot of short ppl @ shooting guard.
imsljr420 2 years ago
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Who was even mentioning height here? 6'0" Iverson? Are you freakin kidding me pal? A damned career 27ppg scorer (a real cancer though), that took Philly to a Finals, won a MVP. Put Mj's old ass on the highlight reel. Who was good as prime A.I. in 84-85 season that MJ faced?
Mayo has a good career ahead of him.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
thomas was better than A.I. in the 84-85 season, not only making himself look good but also his team, A.I. just like almost everyone in this era only knows how 2 make themselves look good. the height i mentioned cuz that's what kobe homers always bring up that jordan went up against short players, well KB goes up against short players as well.
imsljr420 2 years ago 2
u can try 2 down play jordan all u like & make kobe seem like he's better but ur opinion doesn't mean shit. ur not an expert & the majority of the experts have said jordan is the GOAT. sorry u lose. good try though
imsljr420 2 years ago
Goofball, Rick Barry won a title w/o a dominant big man, Isiah won 2 titles w/o a dominant big man, so just shut da hell up with this MJ won w/o a dominant big man bullcrap,lol.
Why'd I mention Portland in 92? Well this is a GOAT thread? They made a run while MJ was on the bench down 15, he came back and they finished off the job. As a Dream fan, I never saw the Rockets down 15 and Dream sitting on the bench and his team suddenly go on a run while a great center was on the floor.
FuShengAlex 2 years ago
"riding the pine in the 4th quarter of game 6 of the 92 final" Fu fucker I've already exposed this LIE you tell. Jordan played 43 minutes in game 6 and sat out BEFORE the fourth quarter started as well. Phil frequently had MJ sit at the beginning of the fourth as he does with Kobe. MJ played most of the fourth quarter of game 6 92 finals. LIE EXPOSED.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago