Get rid of all churches and there influence and none of this would be happening. hows this for blasphemy? Jesus was a lowly cabin boy that loved the rod deep in his ass...plus he didn't exist!
I'm amazed by how ignorant these comments are. One of the first rules of science is to distinguish between what differs. So many people hide behind the word "religion" to attach the crimes of Islam to Christianity. Christians are the main victims of this law. Here's a thought about the Pope and condoms, why don't atheist send some condoms to Africa instead of promoting the same propaganda used in the communist era against the church. Look it up.
Blasphemy laws are a violation of human rights.It is not an enforcable law since it is based on opinions,perceptions and ideology .
Also UN Resolution 16/18 is a violation of religious,political,educational and personal freedoms .It is based on a word with no legal or standardized definition and is preferential to one religion and political system over all others.
You can not legally mandate human thoughts,emotions or beliefs.
once apon a time irish law went hand in hand with religion for centuries! i had thought that it was all over there! but perhaps not!?! ( if im wrong ,apology) ....interesting it takes me back to the idea of the danish cartoons! was the EU going to impliment some sort of 'blasphemy' code or law ! mmm! anyway certain religions of whom offence is considered blasphemy can NOT silence us!!! i will NOT reconise any ridiculous blasphemy law from the EU godshites!
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"That's a serious threat to basically freedom, full stop".
Yeah? Well, that's what the pedophiles must've thought when that became illegal.
You guys just don't get it, do you. EVERYTHING can mean "freedom", and it does. EVERY act is an act of freedom of choice. You're defending the freedom to offend - fine, but you're just as good as a rapist defending rape. Bad example, you think?....
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@1rishShaman So, as was asked, you think it's a bad example. Ridiculous, even. Well, I'm not talking about physical or verbal aspect of it, rather the fact of willingly (and in case of blasphemy without even a necessity) assaulting one's personality - physically in rape, verbally in blasphemy - because Faith is one's life-shaping foundation. But don't think words can't be as harmful - if not more - as actions, that'd be naive.
I believe intended offensive blasphemy should be dealt with.
Faith without evidence is bullshit and for the naive.
"Don't think words can't be as harmful" - I agree, such as the threat of rape, death, racism.
In regards to someones beliefs, thats just tough shit.
I don't get myself butthurt when people have opposite opinions to my own "life-shaping foundation" as you call it (although I find and research the evidence behind my beliefs). Believing that people should be silenced or "dealt with" for an opinion is similar to verbal dictatorship.
@SmokiSounds You can still rape people, though. Laws don't restrict you physically, as if there were some shield up, therefore, you can still rape people or touch little kids.
@SmokiSounds freedom is only defendable when it does not hurt someone, and hes not stating that he is going to hurt someone because he have the freedom of choice, thats a stupid remark...
@SmokiSounds its like saying one should not try and part a chuld from its imaginary friend, it will hurt, but it wont hurt you in the long run, and you say that religious morals aint hazardous? HA! the bible openly attacks gays, all other religions, promote violence and hate and give people a reason to be stupid and ignorant, religion is not true, its not been proven, its merely a fairytale for weakminded people to hide in when they cant answer hard questions!
@RawSwedishMeatball If you're no older than 16, which is the impression I get from your tone and level of knowledge, drop this topic. It's embarrassing. Christianity follows 10 commandments that don't promote any violence or hatred, and Jesus of the New Testament, who said "You've heard - love your close ones and hate your enemy. Well I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who hate you".
Everything you disagree with is Old Testament, for specific people for a specific reason.
@SmokiSounds im 17, and knowledge dont come with age. i were not saying that the commandments promote violence, but what is written in the bible does, it openly say that women are somehow lower then men, it says everyone who does not believe in god are blasphemers, which promotes violence towards them
@SmokiSounds the bible promotes that people should not question him, and that promotes uneducation and ignorance, and these 2 things leed to voilence, death and despair, the defenition of rational and critical thinking is to question things, and the bible promotes the oposite, not to question only to follow what it and its interpritors say, and that my friend, is stupid
@SmokiSounds you have no clue what rational thinking is, you have no clue what truth is, you have no clue of what fact is, you have no clue what is important or not, you sir, are nothing but a void, husk of a man following the teaching of a 2000 year old fairytale. this is nothing one should hold in their hearts as virtues, nor the belief in something that have not been proven.
@RawSwedishMeatball You see, for him, it's just "tought shit". Proves my point very well. Atheists have little to none capacity to grasp anything beyond the surface, beyond physical pain or material aspects.
@SmokiSounds why do one need to grasp things that doesnt exist? it does not make any sense at all, its like saying you need to learn about unicorns, it does not have any relevence at all, freedom is when you are allowed to think for yourself, which religious people obviously dont, since you are bound by some laws made up by a pixie in the sky that punishes you for questioning him!
@SmokiSounds it is the same concept, it gives a imaginary creature a specific set of traits, god only has the trait "almigthy" while unicorns have the trait that they have horns, the concept of god is ridicoulus since there is nothing to support it
@RawSwedishMeatball It's ok, kid. Puberty maximalism will soon wear off, and you'll realize why exactly billions have Faith, and find more than enough support for it. Sacrificing your intellect for Faith is not true Faith.
@SmokiSounds calling me kid, when you, instead of trying to prove your cause, move on to insults? thats really mature, and the reason why billions of people have faith is because most of the world is uneducated, much like yourself, which lead to believing in fairytales. its a gross misunderstanding that faith has do do anything to do with intelligence, faith actually is the oposite of intelligence, since it does not promote the drive to understanding the world, only relying on "god" for answers!
@SmokiSounds please, educate yourself in science, and you will find the bible is wrong in many instances, while science is rarely scientificly disproven, and when that does happen though, we can atleast admit we dont have all the answers and bow down to logic, religion is not rational, but the opposite!
@SmokiSounds i never claimed to be a genius, but, billions of people are uneducated, since most of the world is poor, and where poverty is high, education is low. and claiming science is my religion ? ... you are dumb, for something to be a religion it needs a supernatural being at its point, otherwise its a philosophy. and the bible is wrong, since it isnt a science book! all other books that aint science, are fiction, or whatever, science is the only means of attaining truth and facts!
You are an idiot, I'm sorry. It's just a fact. And guess what? No science needed to determine that, lol. Just your third-grade claims and kindergarden level of knowledge of religion.
@SmokiSounds what ?! thats fucking ridicoulus, its only by scientific means that you can prove something, which makes it true, you are just not willing to hear it u ignorant shit, and by the way, ive probably had more classes in religion then you have, so saying my knowledge in religion is third-grade is stupendously fucked up, the more i learn about religion, the more i see it as something to fight and erase, it only promotes ignorance, nothing more
@RawSwedishMeatball And there you are, switching to swearing, demonstrating the difference between an educated believer and a ranting, uneducated wannabe-atheist.
@SmokiSounds in what way does swearing give me any less of a valid point? its merely a way of empowering a verb of adjective, and what do you mean by wanna-be atheist? do you believe in everything the bible says?
@RawSwedishMeatball I believe in what a Christian is supposed to believe, revelatory and historical sections of the Bible. The Sciptures also contain proverbial, metaphorical, theological sections. I smell talking snakes coming up. Give it your best shot.
@SmokiSounds ha!!! you believe in what you want to? doesnt your god say that you should not question god`? and the bible is the word of god, so you shouldt question it? thats were your logic fails miserably, since it doesnt add up, it says one thing, yet you do another...
@RawSwedishMeatball That pathetic "Ha!!!!!!!!!" just shows you're an immature kid. Stop struggling, this is not a topic for you.
I don't believe "what I want to". Do you read every book in the library with the same mindset? No, you silly third-grader, you read with different perception according to the genre. The Bible consists of the genres I've mentioned. Now, do the math and understand the basics.
@SmokiSounds no, its ridicoulus you say you believe in god, yet you question him, it is not logical, you are just not willing to hear it, you are just puting you fingers in your ears...
@SmokiSounds saying one is educated and a believer is just saying like, i am white, yet im black, since a educated person dont believe, they know, and thats whats the difference between someone who is educated, and someone who is not.
@RawSwedishMeatball That's a false assumption. Belief without physical evidence is possible, because there is metaphysical and psychological evidence, personal to everyone. You can't scientifically prove me that you're in love, when you're in love. CAN YOU, GENIUS?
@SmokiSounds feelings are merely chemical reactions in the brain, that is interprided by the brain, to give a certain result... that is feelings... and you even say it yourself, you believe without proof, and thats just stupid... logical thinking says that one should not believe in things without proof... you are stuck here...
@RawSwedishMeatball Logic thinking means reaching a logical conclusion through deductive thinking, operating on given amount of evidence. The evidence is Existence, and the causal nature of all things.
I'll repeat, genius, PROVE to me that you love someone, better yet, through a scientific formula. If it's nothing but mere chemical reactions, of course.
The same applies to belief in God.
I'm not stuck anywhere, kid. You're out of your league.
@SmokiSounds one can prove someone is in love by reading the chemical reactions in the brain, this has actually been tested in labratories, it is a signature that is close to sexual attraction, you have yet to put forth any relevant evidence, yet you argue that a belief in god is logic, why is it logic when a belief in god is only a chemical reaction? does not make sense,
@SmokiSounds by your definition of logic thinking, you should not believe in a god, since there is nothing to point towards the existance of god... you have said it yourself, yet you keep arguing you are logical... dont make any sense...
@SmokiSounds and by the way, i never said the belief in god dont exist, but thinking he does because one believes is ridicoulus, its not logical, its not rational, it does not come from critical thinking
@RawSwedishMeatball You're a 17 y.o. troll who's repeating the same BS over and over, as if it makes it more true. Lmao. Wasting my time here. You don't hear anything I've said, you poor fool.
You pretend to know what's "perfect" better than God. You child.
You pretend to know logic yet you can't follow a logical chain of thought.
You've been asked to provide a formula for emotion, you can't.
Yet you claim you operate on reason and critical thinking. Ha. Ha. Ha.
you dont know the definition of perfect, yet yo claim to think god is perfect
you pretend to know logic, yet you dont provide evidence for your claims
you cant provide evidence of what emotions are, yet you claim you know what they are
that comment is totaly void, and was ridicoulus, claiming to be logical, yet you dont support your claims with neither evidence or critical thinking, you wont listen, nor see the evidence of wich i provide= illogical
@SmokiSounds i ask you, provide a logical explaination of why you should believe in god when one does not have any evidence of god that stands up to scientific scrutiny.
note, you have yet provided any, and nor has any other religious person yet to do, and thats why reasonable people dont believe in a god, and again why is your god, the true one? you have not answered that yetm you have not provided evidence why christianity is true, if you dont you are illogical, irrational and ignorant
@SmokiSounds you find it rational to believe in a god, that would send people to hell, to suffer for all eternity, just because of something as trivial as not believing in him*? thats not rational at all ! and you have yet given any facts towards as why religion would be truth, only interpritations of the human mind !
@SmokiSounds i cant believe that someone can be this ignorant, claiming that science supports the existance of god, "theological interpritations of evidence is not fact!", your entire existance is a proof against god! if god existed, why would he take the form of man?! why even take the form of something as trivial as a life form?!
@RawSwedishMeatball Why not? WHY NOT? What, He should've taken the form of something else just so YOU can be ok with it?
Hahahhaha. Ok.
God took the form of man in Jesus, suffered, died and ressurrected, precisely to show how close He is to us. And we killed Him. And you'd be the first in the line, cheering.
@SmokiSounds for something that you claim is perfect, that is infinite, to take the form of man is not likely, since man is not perfect, by that logic, god is not perfect, which means that the bible is wrong, which makes it false, you are just another illogical fanatic who does not want to think, research and find true answers, you merely hide behind the fact that "god" made everything, and we should not question him.
It's "not likely" for an omnipotent being to transcend into a man? Hahah, thanks for a laugh. Any basis for that claim? Because a man not being perfect is not a valid reason for an omnipotent God to somehow not be able to incarnate as the Son in flesh. Any scholar would point you at the door, kid. You don't even know the BASICS, who are you trying to fool?
@SmokiSounds and what are these basics that you speak of? the claim comes from that why something perfect would reincarnate itself as something inperfect. thats the reason in it!
@RawSwedishMeatball The basics being that God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, One in Trinity. Jesus being one hypostasis of God doesn't exclude the Father or the Holy Ghost hypostasis ceased to exist.
Keep trying to put God into limits, though. It's hilarious, especially when you talk about reason and logic. Just...lol.
@SmokiSounds it is very contradictive, why does the perfect being need to manifest itself as three ? hmm? if its perfect, it should work in all ways, yet it doesnt, so that comment is just totaly void!
@RawSwedishMeatball Would you enlighten us on how a perfect being should manifest itself, genius? And what do you mean "it should work in all ways". God does work in "all ways".
@SmokiSounds NO HE DONT! if he weas perfect there would be no need for a trinity!!!!! thats what im saying, theres no logic behind it, it only works by apealing to the masses, much lkike yourself!
@SmokiSounds and why do you think the cristian god would be the true one? thats just ignorant to believe in, that a true god would show himself after 198 thousand years, and expect everyone to believe in him, 200 thousand years ago was when man evolved for our ancestor, not being created by god
@RawSwedishMeatball It's ok kid, you're a classic case of a wannabe-atheist who has problems with what God does. It's classic. Don't worry about it. You'll find out sooner or later.
@SmokiSounds you have yet to prove any of your points, you insult and find yourself as superior, thats the hight of arrogance and ignorance, you are just another not willing to learn fanatic, you are not willing to listen to reason, only what you want to hear
@SmokiSounds you have yet to give me any scientific fact !!!!!! thats why religion is not based on reason and logic!!! to say that it is, is just an insult to the name logic and reason!
@SmokiSounds doubt that having a large size of scince books is the same as educating oneself, you need to actually read them, learn them, and think for yourself, which you clearly dont.
@SmokiSounds Blasphemy laws are ludicrous, how does one go about getting offended by a person calling their sky daddy a malevolent, irrational, bipolar, imaginary being? Why not penalize all critics if you're going to penalize blasphemy? That's rape, SmokiSounds, not the other way around. Try going to prison for saying dinner sucked or the actor in a movie gave a poor performance, it is irrational and cruel to punish someone for voicing an opinion or fact. Religion is bunk, deal with it!
@SmokiSounds If God didn't want people like his own priests to go around fucking kids - then perhaps he should of mentioned that AT ALL.. EVER.. In his LONG LONG book, FULL OF LAWS...
you know, maybe say :2nd commandment, don;t fuck kiddies..
rather than use the 1st 2 to tell his followers to worship him.
Very, very, unlikely that blasphemy would be allowed to be treated as a crime in EU states since it would violate article 9 of the ECHR. Should that happen you could just go to European Court of Human Rights and it would be a pretty easy case to win except in very exceptional circumstances where it could be proved proportionate.
There have already been two cases brought up from years ago, this video was made more so that people would know about this freedom of speech defying law.
Luckily since Ireland has taken it on (first country since the 19th century to do so!) there has been fresh anti-blasphemy campaigns popping up all around the world.
If were going to have blasphemy laws, we may as well just tear up the free speach laws there and then. Religion takes offense to pretty muxh anything, whether it's gay charicter in sopas, or piglet from whinnie the poo in nursery books, or alcohol comercials on TV. Religion was BORN offended, especialy muslims.
I hope the EU don't find out about my account. Blasphemy is NOT a crime, WASTE of time. What a WASTE of police time, to investigate blasphemy. Whats next, procicuting people for masterbating or dreaming about sex? Are we going to have police investingate people for masturbating in their own privacy, or men dreaming about sex as they sleap? This is not the middle east. Religion HASENT earned any respect, in fact, the oposite is true. BLASPHEMY, PFAH!
I'm not sure I understand this law so correct me if I have it wrong. If you are a citizen of and live in EU country X and commit an act that is legal in country X but illegal in country Y, you can be extradited from country X to face charges in country Y?
Just to make sure I understand this I'll make a more concrete analogy. If I where to, for example, have sex with someone who is over the age of consent in country X, but under the age of consent in country Y, even though I'm a citizen of country X and have broken no laws in my own country, I could still be extradited to country Y and face statutory rape charges? If this is the case, something is seriously wrong in the EU and Europeans should be fighting to have the EU dismantled.
Correct. You see, while it may not seem fair, if someone had an issue (either the person of age as a family member or friend) and they could present a good enough argument, you could indeed be extradited from your country to theirs due to this law. While in "some" cases I agree with it, say for murder, child molestation and rape cases, it can be used against ANY small crime, including possession of controlled substances. This is one of the reasons I am skeptical of the EU commission.
Okay, then, here we go - ALL OF THE GODS THAT ANYONE BELIEVES IN ARE EXACTLY EQUIVALENT TO MY CRUSTY OLD ANUS.
Fucking strike me the fuck down... you non-existent, paedophile, shit-sucking, arse-wiping, bellend, smegma-encrusted, slug-raping, waste-of-fucking-thought, useless, worthless, nun-fingering, choirboy-buggering slop from a diseased cunt.
this is a bit confusing what if A says "my god is better then your god" to B and and B get offended would that be punishable by law?
sounds a bit silly to have this law. What about racism and homosexuality ect. no one should be able to force others to do what they want, don't say this don't say that or i will punish you. law and religion should have nothing to do with each other but hey thats what i think
Good video mate! The idea of having someones beleif foced on me to the point where i can go t jail for it is a worrying thing! More people need to stand up for basic rights of freedom.
Im christian is there a petition to sighn where is it.Its wrong and it takes away freedom.If the UN has the USA sighn the treaty even USA will have to abide by it.And pres obama wants cap and trade.So does England now with the oil in the water i guess they will get what they want.They want one world religion force us all to worship one thing it seemsI would be willing to bet the Roman catholic church is behind it.
@korzon - I thought I included it in the sidebar (my firefox 2 browser won't let me view sidebars anymore with the new layout) but if its not there then its set as the "website" on my profiles main page.
Thanks for the input as well but I highly doubt the US would do so. Our Irish Constitution was drafted when Christianity was pretty much at its peak here and the church ruled all, where as the US Constitution already has a clause for freedom of religion which wouldn't allow this to come in.
@1rishShaman The apostles were murdered and executed by rome and stole christianity and capitalized off of it and they still do to this day.If they found you reading a bible they would kill you they wanted to tell you what they wanted during the crusades anybody who diddnt believe what they taught was killed.The UN wants one world religion thats their plan to unite all religions then create a new god themselves.Seems we all lost our freedom even if we sign the cap an trade the other laws apply.
Don't be ridiculous. Even if it was the UN's plan, which i doubt, how on earth could you attempt such a thing? Religeon, especially in devloped countries is dying because of science and technology making reliegon irrelevant.
And its good because religeon if slowing down the progres of mankind.
Oh yes, Obama the black satan wants to force one world religion on us! And it's the catholic church apparently! Run to the hills! Aaahhh! Put your tinfoil hat on before they tag us with the mark wahlberg of the beast!
@kaminarigaston I dont know about that but I know every time the EU wants to go to war we have to go so this is already a one world Government and all this new libyia crisis is a clean up all thats left will be Iran then comes the real trouble.I'm just saying whats going on not that I like it.And there will be a war if you like it or not and yes in a way it will be called religious and any war we have with muslims they call it a Jehad even if it were over oil and power.The Worlds screwed.
Nilbud, go act like a dick somewhere else. I don't mind debate over any topic but if your going to -
A) act like a pompous asshole in your comments to others,
or
B) Insult or begin flaming someone showing the utmost hypocrisy in your statement...
Then please fuck off rightly. In regards to your claims, I explained my position for making this video as well as gave references which you decide to call "superficious" and ignore. If you can't engage civily then go argue elsewhere.
@JimmyAndGod You're a sad lunatic deluded by nonsense, your frightened antichrist remarks are offensive. Your scared halfwit version of protestantism is so threadbare and so worthless it's no wonder you're so terrified and prickish all the time. Your magical book of lies is not in any way true and you are an irritating buffoon with the iq of a fencepost. You ignorant cocksucking dunce.
" An EAW can only be issued for offences carrying a maximum penalty of 12 months or more. Where sentence has already been passed an EAW can only be issued if the prison term to be enforced is at least four months long."
It is a pity about the facts, otherwise you almost had half a point.
@nilbud - Well if you can't pay the fine I'm going to guess that would mean enprisonment which is what your covering? Oh and this was already used twice that I know of in the past and I gave examples in this video as well, so it is infact punishable.
@1rishShaman That is specious. The crime is insufficient to warrant an EAW so the blasphemy law is irrelevant as far as the EAW is concerned and vice versa. The law was enacted in January so it can not have been used in the past.
@nilbud - It WAS infact used in the past few years and I gave my examples. Go check them out if you don't believe me. I'm not merely talking from January onwards as you would realise if you seen that this video was posted at the end of last summer. Also drop the pretentious attitude, it doesn't suit.
how does this not add to the obvious fact that this is a superstate idea. the 3 main parties in uk dont challenge this, and people dont think the eu is a big deal - it is, this is really f**king serious. how can someone be taken to greece when he hasnt even been there? I would simply refuse to go, as would any person who respects freedom.
@trigga1uk - I wouldn't really call it a reason to think of a superstate government thing or whatever, it's actually in place for like I said murders, rapists, child abusers, arsonists, terrorists who attempt to flee to other countries or country bound to avoid being able to be aprehended by their own authorities.
Its just a shame that countries in the EU where Blasphemy is illegal can still go after someone should enough people be offended. It means well but its still fucked up for blasphemy.
I poked fun I guess but nothing too serious =P I more meant along the lines that some people would jump to like "the whole thing is just pedo's in skirts" type of comments. Oh and don't worry, I don't judge an entire group by a few select people.
Wilders is right, Jordan can go stuff itself adn live in it's idiotic ideas about the universe. Science and rational thought are the only things that need protecting, from Loony ideas of religion, Particularly the murcerous CULT of ISLAM. FO - Jordan, Saudi, and all the oethr prickless abusers of women, apostates, and all Non dickheads
It's a taper for stretching your ear lobes. I wore it for a bit a while back (before losing it) when I was going from 10mm-13mm and didn't have any other jewellary at hand to wear.
So I have a friend that is working on a novel. In it, in ancient Ireland, a Druid is turned into a vampire. Throughout time, Christianity poses a threat to this vampires way of life. Even though factual historic references are made, it's obviously a work of fiction. But, under Ireland's new law, my friend could be sued if this irritates Christians or the Neo-Druids? Or, would it just be banned?
Who knows, the law still isn't even 100% clear on what it intends to censor to "protect". At the minute all that is said about it is that if something is deemed offencive to somebodies religious beliefs, then they may seek to take action against you by contacting the respective authorities (in this case the Gardí) and it is from there where to system takes over and decides if you have indeed broken the law or not. It rediculous to have it in place, as it's a law which doesn't define itself.
I signed it already. Thanks for your good fight. If it weren't for people like you, I wouldn't even know about this. It's truly ludicrous ... Don't know if American signatures will help, but I'll do my best to spread the word.
Thank you very much, any help is greatly appriciated. It doesn't matter where in the world the signatures come from, it's just an appeal to the Irish Government to realise that they didn't take peoples opinions into question when they put this law in place... they never even asked the public what they wanted!
When Europeans look down their noses at Americans (which I certainly do from time to time:) you might want to stop and think about this situation and what it means.
In America, for all it's religious insanity, these kind of laws can not be enacted because of the Constitution. Apparently the EU does not protect the right of free speech.
Actually believe it or not, this new law contridicts the freedom of expression act within the EU Charter. But still, lets not let that get in the way of progress *rolls eyes*
So member states can enact laws that contravene the EU Charter? That is incredibly poor thinking to allow laws that contravene the Charter while using the charter to enforce those contravening laws across national borders.
Seriously, as long as this stands, Europeans have no ground for looking down on Americas' religious problems.
There are plenty of things to criticize about the states but Europe is several steps behind America with such laws.
Oh no, Dermot Ahern knew that it was going to be against the charter but whats more important? It was the fact that the Irish Constitution had a part in it about blasphemy being punishable, but there was never an actual penalty due to it being uninforceable. Now to make all the constiution fit in place he has brought this in. Believe it or not, even now, nearly a year later we're still trying to figure out why exactly he thought this was a good idea...
The Blasphemy Law: "(we are better than you) We must be protected from all criticism(we are better than you) because we are easily offended (we are better than you) and can't defend ourselves (we are better than you)".
Sup Irish, this is (DemonicTrout). Totally agree with you, im a very neutral person religion wise, and if people do not agree with your thoughts then so be it. It is not like legitament reasons about religion arent agrued fervently anyway. But that should not stop equality and equal opportunity from happening
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Blasphemous statements invariably affect religious adherents and have the very real danger of inculcating within the religious community under attack a sense of inferiority, that may in time become socially acceptable - we're already witnessing this in relation to the treatment of Muslims in Europe. This then may give rise to social deprivation and other inequalities.
I was wondering when you'd show up liam. Hows the group going? If you want Muslims to lose there semi-bad name, then perhaps go out to the middle east and get the violent ones to stop killing in the name of. I really do lovethe hypocrisy, you are part of a religion thats known to (at least some of its memebers) to kill "infidels" and people who worship other idols, yet you say that non-religious people are attacking you. Oh the irony.
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Just a fleeting visit Shaman, we like to keep an eye on our critics :)
The group is going well thank you.
I'm not sure which Muslims in the Middle East you are referring to? The ones I'm aware of that are killing people are doing so in the context of a war to free them from occupation. To fight against the tyranny and injustice of occupation is most noble, don't you think?
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The only kuffar (infidels is a Christian construct) that Muslims fight are those who fight them. We're not Christians, so the concept of turning the other cheek isn't something we practice, though I've seen few Christians who actually do so anyway.
I do believe there is a concerted effort to push Islam and religion in general into the private sphere, an effort that is doomed to failure I might add.
Oh not to push them into a private sphere, but personally if they are coming at other people, attempting to influence people outside of their own little belief group, who don't even believe in their thing and start making laws based on those things... To put it bluntly they can go fuck themselves. Also just because on individual person has a negative opinion, that doesn't make their opinion factually valid. You have to understand that about your little group.
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In what way do you think Muslims or any other religious adherent is 'coming at other people'? In a society of equals shouldn't all be treated so, and if there are inequalities shouldn't they be addressed?
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Why should minorities have to suffer injustice simply because it irks people like you to see them seeking an equitable status? Muslims and other religious adherents are perfectly entitled to use their political mandate to bring about changes that are beneficial to their particular communities, this is a right enjoyed by all so why would you seek to exclude the religious?
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As for validity, ours is an evident social injustice and inequality coupled with an intrinsic self worth which precludes the second class citizenry wished upon us.
Please check out those videos. Any social group that acts that way is not welcome in a progressive society. Its not just a small group of people who believe this way, its the majority of the people who actually believe in freedom and equal rights. Abusive society structures are not progressive, and you only have to look at the regions its prevalent in to realise that.
Actually we are **against** a bill which would make it perfectly acceptable for a certain group who believe in invisible sky men and all this supernatural stuff from centuries ago. If you want to live under a certain belief structure thats perfectly acceptable, but don't expect to be able to push your religious belief which is a personal belief to each individual, onto other people. I don't go around striking up controversy, christians usally do not, muslims do. It's not just atheists.
We are against people pushing a law that defends against them being upset or pissy about an opinion and belief.
If you say you don't like something I do, I don't attempt to legislate against you or parade around trying to get my way with websites and strong offencive material. Most people have figured out this is not the way towards a progressive society, but still some people attempt to sneak this type of shit into power.
I defend your right to contest my belief, I simply do not believe you have to be abusive to do so. In times past it was said that 'abuse is the lowest form of argument'. Sadly today it is the first and only recourse in any argument.
Nobody 'chooses' to be upset Shaman, in fact there very little thought that goes into it.
If some individual walked up to you and started slagging off your mum, called your dad a pervert and then had a go at you for 'choosing to be upset' would you accept that?
Well then, we should outlaw Christianity and Islam. After all, they say that me and all my kin are condemned to hell, and call us misguided. I take offense to that and my community takes offense to that.
A progressive society is one that emulates the Shariah state. Where different ideologies and beliefs coexist, and where communities are allowed to administer their own laws according to their beliefs but where all contribute and work toward the good of society. Now there's a progressive society - sadly we have to travel back hundreds of years to witness it.
So you are for the implementation of abusive society structures. You have no qualms in being abusive toward religious adherents.
I don't push my belief upon people Shaman, but others would seek to do that to us. Those who believe hijab should not be seen in public would relegate our women to their homes. Those who do not believe a Muslim man has a right to follow his religion would deny him job opportunities on that basis. There are many more examples - but the pushing seems to be one way.
I believe if you experienced inequality, injustice and inequity you might speak out - of course it's entirely up to recipients of your message if they deem it controversial. It doesn't have to be, you just choose to make it so.
Sure, lets allow people to be violent or abusive towards other groups in society just because they don't believe the same way. Sorry, I don't agree with that way of life. Everyone is equal, but if someone is willing to try and force their own beliefs on others in life and in society, then its not acceptable. Watch those videos that come up first on the "Radicle Muslim" search in YouTube.
Scholars such as? An overweight and arrogant minister for "justice" surely seems like a bad example. Also citizens built the foundations of everything. There would be no religion without the citizens to foolishly back it up...
Well Deicide have songs like Fuck your God and Bastard of Christ lol, Morbid Angel have God of Emptiness, Chapel of Ghouls and Lords of All Fevers and Plagues(which is a satanic prayer hahahaha) and well I don't have to explain Slayer hahaha
Yea, its insane and some crazy shit. I taught myself a cover of Dethklok's "Impeach God" on bass guitar (no videos of it as a bass cover on YT yet - don't steal my fuckin' idea!) - but if it caused enough people to get annoyed it could be taken down... which is just utterly retarded. Luckily however, I'm working on a Media course in college this year. Blasphemy and taking the piss will be approached by me from multiple angles, first angle fucking jesus "cowboy" style.
I'm sure it won't be as big a deal though..........hopefully lol and don't worry I don't really like Dethklok although Gene Hoglan is an amazing drummer
Signed it.I liked your explaination of the meaning of "Prophet". My friend Patrick goes by Prophet in his band St Madness precisely because he tells the best stories through his music. I agree with all your other points also dude. Going to your GWAR upload now.
@neverfearchrisishere Well we really are fucked now are we, whens the time I get to say,
"I dont want to live in this country anymore,", seams appropriate.
Astrolutra 3 days ago
Isn't the blasphemy law unconstitutional?
Astrolutra 2 weeks ago
@Astrolutra It's specifically required by the constitution...
neverfearchrisishere 3 days ago
Get rid of all churches and there influence and none of this would be happening. hows this for blasphemy? Jesus was a lowly cabin boy that loved the rod deep in his ass...plus he didn't exist!
So sue me!
xTheuglytruthx 1 month ago
@xTheuglytruthx That's just inflammatory and normal people "should" punish that sort of insult, blasphemy or not
ChainsawGutsFuck 4 weeks ago
Religion is INSANITY and this is further proof.
dkthg 1 month ago
Topic closed, kid, you're not qualified for this. False claim after false claim after false claim. Learn the basics, then we'll talk.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds Explain what is false about the claims, and your comment will be valid.
clubpenguinsux1 2 months ago
I'm amazed by how ignorant these comments are. One of the first rules of science is to distinguish between what differs. So many people hide behind the word "religion" to attach the crimes of Islam to Christianity. Christians are the main victims of this law. Here's a thought about the Pope and condoms, why don't atheist send some condoms to Africa instead of promoting the same propaganda used in the communist era against the church. Look it up.
813CR 2 months ago
Europe has an arrest warrant against free speech?
ComissarGramsci 5 months ago
Blasphemy laws are a violation of human rights.It is not an enforcable law since it is based on opinions,perceptions and ideology .
Also UN Resolution 16/18 is a violation of religious,political,educational and personal freedoms .It is based on a word with no legal or standardized definition and is preferential to one religion and political system over all others.
You can not legally mandate human thoughts,emotions or beliefs.
That is what created Anders Breivik.
goldensassenach 5 months ago
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Good stuff. Why not redo this and remove the um's pauses, hemming & hawing, quickly get to your good points.
Thunkful2 6 months ago
..because like it or not if freespeech is outlawed in some way then i as a freeman WILL take my right to speech with force regardless!
andytubeism 7 months ago
once apon a time irish law went hand in hand with religion for centuries! i had thought that it was all over there! but perhaps not!?! ( if im wrong ,apology) ....interesting it takes me back to the idea of the danish cartoons! was the EU going to impliment some sort of 'blasphemy' code or law ! mmm! anyway certain religions of whom offence is considered blasphemy can NOT silence us!!! i will NOT reconise any ridiculous blasphemy law from the EU godshites!
andytubeism 7 months ago
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"That's a serious threat to basically freedom, full stop".
Yeah? Well, that's what the pedophiles must've thought when that became illegal.
You guys just don't get it, do you. EVERYTHING can mean "freedom", and it does. EVERY act is an act of freedom of choice. You're defending the freedom to offend - fine, but you're just as good as a rapist defending rape. Bad example, you think?....
SmokiSounds 7 months ago
@SmokiSounds Your comparing freedom of speech to pedophilia and rape. That pretty much shows you have no clear understanding of the difference.
One is verbal and one is physical. To make a connection or even postulate such a connection is arrogant and ridiculous.
1rishShaman 7 months ago 16
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@1rishShaman So, as was asked, you think it's a bad example. Ridiculous, even. Well, I'm not talking about physical or verbal aspect of it, rather the fact of willingly (and in case of blasphemy without even a necessity) assaulting one's personality - physically in rape, verbally in blasphemy - because Faith is one's life-shaping foundation. But don't think words can't be as harmful - if not more - as actions, that'd be naive.
I believe intended offensive blasphemy should be dealt with.
SmokiSounds 7 months ago
Faith without evidence is bullshit and for the naive.
"Don't think words can't be as harmful" - I agree, such as the threat of rape, death, racism.
In regards to someones beliefs, thats just tough shit.
I don't get myself butthurt when people have opposite opinions to my own "life-shaping foundation" as you call it (although I find and research the evidence behind my beliefs). Believing that people should be silenced or "dealt with" for an opinion is similar to verbal dictatorship.
1rishShaman 7 months ago 14
@SmokiSounds Good thing you're not a lawmaker in my country.
God is a fucktarded murderer who encourages rape and probably touched children.
Yay, free speech!
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@SmokiSounds You can still rape people, though. Laws don't restrict you physically, as if there were some shield up, therefore, you can still rape people or touch little kids.
erinsmonster 4 months ago
@erinsmonster However, I'm not saying you should. You shouldn't.
erinsmonster 4 months ago
@SmokiSounds freedom is only defendable when it does not hurt someone, and hes not stating that he is going to hurt someone because he have the freedom of choice, thats a stupid remark...
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball Who says insulting one's Faith doesn't hurt? Ever heard of moral hazard???
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds its like saying one should not try and part a chuld from its imaginary friend, it will hurt, but it wont hurt you in the long run, and you say that religious morals aint hazardous? HA! the bible openly attacks gays, all other religions, promote violence and hate and give people a reason to be stupid and ignorant, religion is not true, its not been proven, its merely a fairytale for weakminded people to hide in when they cant answer hard questions!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball If you're no older than 16, which is the impression I get from your tone and level of knowledge, drop this topic. It's embarrassing. Christianity follows 10 commandments that don't promote any violence or hatred, and Jesus of the New Testament, who said "You've heard - love your close ones and hate your enemy. Well I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who hate you".
Everything you disagree with is Old Testament, for specific people for a specific reason.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds im 17, and knowledge dont come with age. i were not saying that the commandments promote violence, but what is written in the bible does, it openly say that women are somehow lower then men, it says everyone who does not believe in god are blasphemers, which promotes violence towards them
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds the bible promotes that people should not question him, and that promotes uneducation and ignorance, and these 2 things leed to voilence, death and despair, the defenition of rational and critical thinking is to question things, and the bible promotes the oposite, not to question only to follow what it and its interpritors say, and that my friend, is stupid
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds you have no clue what rational thinking is, you have no clue what truth is, you have no clue of what fact is, you have no clue what is important or not, you sir, are nothing but a void, husk of a man following the teaching of a 2000 year old fairytale. this is nothing one should hold in their hearts as virtues, nor the belief in something that have not been proven.
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball You see, for him, it's just "tought shit". Proves my point very well. Atheists have little to none capacity to grasp anything beyond the surface, beyond physical pain or material aspects.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds why do one need to grasp things that doesnt exist? it does not make any sense at all, its like saying you need to learn about unicorns, it does not have any relevence at all, freedom is when you are allowed to think for yourself, which religious people obviously dont, since you are bound by some laws made up by a pixie in the sky that punishes you for questioning him!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball Unicorns and a pixie in the sky?
When you grow a brain and get a better understanding of the concept of God, come back and we'll talk. Ridiculous.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds it is the same concept, it gives a imaginary creature a specific set of traits, god only has the trait "almigthy" while unicorns have the trait that they have horns, the concept of god is ridicoulus since there is nothing to support it
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball It's ok, kid. Puberty maximalism will soon wear off, and you'll realize why exactly billions have Faith, and find more than enough support for it. Sacrificing your intellect for Faith is not true Faith.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds calling me kid, when you, instead of trying to prove your cause, move on to insults? thats really mature, and the reason why billions of people have faith is because most of the world is uneducated, much like yourself, which lead to believing in fairytales. its a gross misunderstanding that faith has do do anything to do with intelligence, faith actually is the oposite of intelligence, since it does not promote the drive to understanding the world, only relying on "god" for answers!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball God doesn't promote the drive to understanding the world?
Jesus: "Research EVERYTHING. Don't take no one's word for anything".
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds what? give me the location of this quote, and lets see if its true...
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds please, educate yourself in science, and you will find the bible is wrong in many instances, while science is rarely scientificly disproven, and when that does happen though, we can atleast admit we dont have all the answers and bow down to logic, religion is not rational, but the opposite!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball Oh I see, kid. Billions are uneducated but you're a genius. lol. Bible is wrong...where? Flat earth? Bible isn't a science book.
Faith is nothing BUT rationality. I came to belief through LOGIC, deductive THINKING and RATIONAL conclusions. Your religion is science.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds i never claimed to be a genius, but, billions of people are uneducated, since most of the world is poor, and where poverty is high, education is low. and claiming science is my religion ? ... you are dumb, for something to be a religion it needs a supernatural being at its point, otherwise its a philosophy. and the bible is wrong, since it isnt a science book! all other books that aint science, are fiction, or whatever, science is the only means of attaining truth and facts!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball "Science is the only means of attaining truth"
You are an idiot, I'm sorry. It's just a fact. And guess what? No science needed to determine that, lol. Just your third-grade claims and kindergarden level of knowledge of religion.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds what ?! thats fucking ridicoulus, its only by scientific means that you can prove something, which makes it true, you are just not willing to hear it u ignorant shit, and by the way, ive probably had more classes in religion then you have, so saying my knowledge in religion is third-grade is stupendously fucked up, the more i learn about religion, the more i see it as something to fight and erase, it only promotes ignorance, nothing more
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball And there you are, switching to swearing, demonstrating the difference between an educated believer and a ranting, uneducated wannabe-atheist.
You're doing a good job.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds in what way does swearing give me any less of a valid point? its merely a way of empowering a verb of adjective, and what do you mean by wanna-be atheist? do you believe in everything the bible says?
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball I believe in what a Christian is supposed to believe, revelatory and historical sections of the Bible. The Sciptures also contain proverbial, metaphorical, theological sections. I smell talking snakes coming up. Give it your best shot.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds ha!!! you believe in what you want to? doesnt your god say that you should not question god`? and the bible is the word of god, so you shouldt question it? thats were your logic fails miserably, since it doesnt add up, it says one thing, yet you do another...
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball That pathetic "Ha!!!!!!!!!" just shows you're an immature kid. Stop struggling, this is not a topic for you.
I don't believe "what I want to". Do you read every book in the library with the same mindset? No, you silly third-grader, you read with different perception according to the genre. The Bible consists of the genres I've mentioned. Now, do the math and understand the basics.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds no, its ridicoulus you say you believe in god, yet you question him, it is not logical, you are just not willing to hear it, you are just puting you fingers in your ears...
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds saying one is educated and a believer is just saying like, i am white, yet im black, since a educated person dont believe, they know, and thats whats the difference between someone who is educated, and someone who is not.
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball That's a false assumption. Belief without physical evidence is possible, because there is metaphysical and psychological evidence, personal to everyone. You can't scientifically prove me that you're in love, when you're in love. CAN YOU, GENIUS?
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds feelings are merely chemical reactions in the brain, that is interprided by the brain, to give a certain result... that is feelings... and you even say it yourself, you believe without proof, and thats just stupid... logical thinking says that one should not believe in things without proof... you are stuck here...
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball Logic thinking means reaching a logical conclusion through deductive thinking, operating on given amount of evidence. The evidence is Existence, and the causal nature of all things.
I'll repeat, genius, PROVE to me that you love someone, better yet, through a scientific formula. If it's nothing but mere chemical reactions, of course.
The same applies to belief in God.
I'm not stuck anywhere, kid. You're out of your league.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds one can prove someone is in love by reading the chemical reactions in the brain, this has actually been tested in labratories, it is a signature that is close to sexual attraction, you have yet to put forth any relevant evidence, yet you argue that a belief in god is logic, why is it logic when a belief in god is only a chemical reaction? does not make sense,
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds by your definition of logic thinking, you should not believe in a god, since there is nothing to point towards the existance of god... you have said it yourself, yet you keep arguing you are logical... dont make any sense...
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball He should not believe in god, because god doesn't exist. Why not believe in unicorns and fairies? Same amount of proof.
mike112769 1 month ago
@SmokiSounds and by the way, i never said the belief in god dont exist, but thinking he does because one believes is ridicoulus, its not logical, its not rational, it does not come from critical thinking
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball You're a 17 y.o. troll who's repeating the same BS over and over, as if it makes it more true. Lmao. Wasting my time here. You don't hear anything I've said, you poor fool.
You pretend to know what's "perfect" better than God. You child.
You pretend to know logic yet you can't follow a logical chain of thought.
You've been asked to provide a formula for emotion, you can't.
Yet you claim you operate on reason and critical thinking. Ha. Ha. Ha.
Keep embarrassing yourself
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds these 4 things you fill yourself
you dont know the definition of perfect, yet yo claim to think god is perfect
you pretend to know logic, yet you dont provide evidence for your claims
you cant provide evidence of what emotions are, yet you claim you know what they are
that comment is totaly void, and was ridicoulus, claiming to be logical, yet you dont support your claims with neither evidence or critical thinking, you wont listen, nor see the evidence of wich i provide= illogical
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds i ask you, provide a logical explaination of why you should believe in god when one does not have any evidence of god that stands up to scientific scrutiny.
note, you have yet provided any, and nor has any other religious person yet to do, and thats why reasonable people dont believe in a god, and again why is your god, the true one? you have not answered that yetm you have not provided evidence why christianity is true, if you dont you are illogical, irrational and ignorant
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds you find it rational to believe in a god, that would send people to hell, to suffer for all eternity, just because of something as trivial as not believing in him*? thats not rational at all ! and you have yet given any facts towards as why religion would be truth, only interpritations of the human mind !
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds i cant believe that someone can be this ignorant, claiming that science supports the existance of god, "theological interpritations of evidence is not fact!", your entire existance is a proof against god! if god existed, why would he take the form of man?! why even take the form of something as trivial as a life form?!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball Why not? WHY NOT? What, He should've taken the form of something else just so YOU can be ok with it?
Hahahhaha. Ok.
God took the form of man in Jesus, suffered, died and ressurrected, precisely to show how close He is to us. And we killed Him. And you'd be the first in the line, cheering.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds for something that you claim is perfect, that is infinite, to take the form of man is not likely, since man is not perfect, by that logic, god is not perfect, which means that the bible is wrong, which makes it false, you are just another illogical fanatic who does not want to think, research and find true answers, you merely hide behind the fact that "god" made everything, and we should not question him.
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball False logic. Keep ranting, though, it's amusing.
It's "not likely" for an omnipotent being to transcend into a man? Hahah, thanks for a laugh. Any basis for that claim? Because a man not being perfect is not a valid reason for an omnipotent God to somehow not be able to incarnate as the Son in flesh. Any scholar would point you at the door, kid. You don't even know the BASICS, who are you trying to fool?
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds and what are these basics that you speak of? the claim comes from that why something perfect would reincarnate itself as something inperfect. thats the reason in it!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball The basics being that God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, One in Trinity. Jesus being one hypostasis of God doesn't exclude the Father or the Holy Ghost hypostasis ceased to exist.
Keep trying to put God into limits, though. It's hilarious, especially when you talk about reason and logic. Just...lol.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds it is very contradictive, why does the perfect being need to manifest itself as three ? hmm? if its perfect, it should work in all ways, yet it doesnt, so that comment is just totaly void!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball Would you enlighten us on how a perfect being should manifest itself, genius? And what do you mean "it should work in all ways". God does work in "all ways".
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds NO HE DONT! if he weas perfect there would be no need for a trinity!!!!! thats what im saying, theres no logic behind it, it only works by apealing to the masses, much lkike yourself!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds and why do you think the cristian god would be the true one? thats just ignorant to believe in, that a true god would show himself after 198 thousand years, and expect everyone to believe in him, 200 thousand years ago was when man evolved for our ancestor, not being created by god
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball It's ok kid, you're a classic case of a wannabe-atheist who has problems with what God does. It's classic. Don't worry about it. You'll find out sooner or later.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds you have yet to prove any of your points, you insult and find yourself as superior, thats the hight of arrogance and ignorance, you are just another not willing to learn fanatic, you are not willing to listen to reason, only what you want to hear
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball My Faith is BASED on REASON and LOGIC. Tell me again about "listening to reason".
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds you have yet to give me any scientific fact !!!!!! thats why religion is not based on reason and logic!!! to say that it is, is just an insult to the name logic and reason!
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball And before you tell me to educate myself in science, get a collection of science books the same size as mine is.
Ridiculous.
SmokiSounds 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds doubt that having a large size of scince books is the same as educating oneself, you need to actually read them, learn them, and think for yourself, which you clearly dont.
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@SmokiSounds Blasphemy laws are ludicrous, how does one go about getting offended by a person calling their sky daddy a malevolent, irrational, bipolar, imaginary being? Why not penalize all critics if you're going to penalize blasphemy? That's rape, SmokiSounds, not the other way around. Try going to prison for saying dinner sucked or the actor in a movie gave a poor performance, it is irrational and cruel to punish someone for voicing an opinion or fact. Religion is bunk, deal with it!
Bourtini 1 month ago
@SmokiSounds If God didn't want people like his own priests to go around fucking kids - then perhaps he should of mentioned that AT ALL.. EVER.. In his LONG LONG book, FULL OF LAWS...
you know, maybe say :2nd commandment, don;t fuck kiddies..
rather than use the 1st 2 to tell his followers to worship him.
His silence implies:
God is Pro Child Rape.
neverfearchrisishere 3 days ago 2
Very, very, unlikely that blasphemy would be allowed to be treated as a crime in EU states since it would violate article 9 of the ECHR. Should that happen you could just go to European Court of Human Rights and it would be a pretty easy case to win except in very exceptional circumstances where it could be proved proportionate.
PaladinX500 8 months ago
There have already been two cases brought up from years ago, this video was made more so that people would know about this freedom of speech defying law.
Luckily since Ireland has taken it on (first country since the 19th century to do so!) there has been fresh anti-blasphemy campaigns popping up all around the world.
1rishShaman 8 months ago 7
If were going to have blasphemy laws, we may as well just tear up the free speach laws there and then. Religion takes offense to pretty muxh anything, whether it's gay charicter in sopas, or piglet from whinnie the poo in nursery books, or alcohol comercials on TV. Religion was BORN offended, especialy muslims.
13GodDAMNit4444sin 9 months ago
I hope the EU don't find out about my account. Blasphemy is NOT a crime, WASTE of time. What a WASTE of police time, to investigate blasphemy. Whats next, procicuting people for masterbating or dreaming about sex? Are we going to have police investingate people for masturbating in their own privacy, or men dreaming about sex as they sleap? This is not the middle east. Religion HASENT earned any respect, in fact, the oposite is true. BLASPHEMY, PFAH!
13GodDAMNit4444sin 9 months ago
I'm not sure I understand this law so correct me if I have it wrong. If you are a citizen of and live in EU country X and commit an act that is legal in country X but illegal in country Y, you can be extradited from country X to face charges in country Y?
Textra1 9 months ago
Thats it entirely.
Also if you are "suspected" of breaking the law by someone in another country you may also be of risk.
1rishShaman 9 months ago
@1rishShaman
Just to make sure I understand this I'll make a more concrete analogy. If I where to, for example, have sex with someone who is over the age of consent in country X, but under the age of consent in country Y, even though I'm a citizen of country X and have broken no laws in my own country, I could still be extradited to country Y and face statutory rape charges? If this is the case, something is seriously wrong in the EU and Europeans should be fighting to have the EU dismantled.
Textra1 9 months ago
Correct. You see, while it may not seem fair, if someone had an issue (either the person of age as a family member or friend) and they could present a good enough argument, you could indeed be extradited from your country to theirs due to this law. While in "some" cases I agree with it, say for murder, child molestation and rape cases, it can be used against ANY small crime, including possession of controlled substances. This is one of the reasons I am skeptical of the EU commission.
1rishShaman 9 months ago
Okay, then, here we go - ALL OF THE GODS THAT ANYONE BELIEVES IN ARE EXACTLY EQUIVALENT TO MY CRUSTY OLD ANUS.
Fucking strike me the fuck down... you non-existent, paedophile, shit-sucking, arse-wiping, bellend, smegma-encrusted, slug-raping, waste-of-fucking-thought, useless, worthless, nun-fingering, choirboy-buggering slop from a diseased cunt.
I fucking DARE you.
mikeofdoom 11 months ago
this is a bit confusing what if A says "my god is better then your god" to B and and B get offended would that be punishable by law?
sounds a bit silly to have this law. What about racism and homosexuality ect. no one should be able to force others to do what they want, don't say this don't say that or i will punish you. law and religion should have nothing to do with each other but hey thats what i think
leahcimevlak 11 months ago
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luciendelapeste 1 year ago
Good video mate! The idea of having someones beleif foced on me to the point where i can go t jail for it is a worrying thing! More people need to stand up for basic rights of freedom.
kalem1988 1 year ago
Im christian is there a petition to sighn where is it.Its wrong and it takes away freedom.If the UN has the USA sighn the treaty even USA will have to abide by it.And pres obama wants cap and trade.So does England now with the oil in the water i guess they will get what they want.They want one world religion force us all to worship one thing it seemsI would be willing to bet the Roman catholic church is behind it.
korzon 1 year ago
@korzon - I thought I included it in the sidebar (my firefox 2 browser won't let me view sidebars anymore with the new layout) but if its not there then its set as the "website" on my profiles main page.
Thanks for the input as well but I highly doubt the US would do so. Our Irish Constitution was drafted when Christianity was pretty much at its peak here and the church ruled all, where as the US Constitution already has a clause for freedom of religion which wouldn't allow this to come in.
1rishShaman 1 year ago
@1rishShaman The apostles were murdered and executed by rome and stole christianity and capitalized off of it and they still do to this day.If they found you reading a bible they would kill you they wanted to tell you what they wanted during the crusades anybody who diddnt believe what they taught was killed.The UN wants one world religion thats their plan to unite all religions then create a new god themselves.Seems we all lost our freedom even if we sign the cap an trade the other laws apply.
korzon 1 year ago
@korzon
Don't be ridiculous. Even if it was the UN's plan, which i doubt, how on earth could you attempt such a thing? Religeon, especially in devloped countries is dying because of science and technology making reliegon irrelevant.
And its good because religeon if slowing down the progres of mankind.
srspower 1 year ago
@korzon
Oh yes, Obama the black satan wants to force one world religion on us! And it's the catholic church apparently! Run to the hills! Aaahhh! Put your tinfoil hat on before they tag us with the mark wahlberg of the beast!
kaminarigaston 11 months ago
@kaminarigaston I dont know about that but I know every time the EU wants to go to war we have to go so this is already a one world Government and all this new libyia crisis is a clean up all thats left will be Iran then comes the real trouble.I'm just saying whats going on not that I like it.And there will be a war if you like it or not and yes in a way it will be called religious and any war we have with muslims they call it a Jehad even if it were over oil and power.The Worlds screwed.
korzon 11 months ago
fuck the EU
kylejones7 1 year ago
Nilbud, go act like a dick somewhere else. I don't mind debate over any topic but if your going to -
A) act like a pompous asshole in your comments to others,
or
B) Insult or begin flaming someone showing the utmost hypocrisy in your statement...
Then please fuck off rightly. In regards to your claims, I explained my position for making this video as well as gave references which you decide to call "superficious" and ignore. If you can't engage civily then go argue elsewhere.
- Paul M.
1rishShaman 1 year ago
@JimmyAndGod You're a sad lunatic deluded by nonsense, your frightened antichrist remarks are offensive. Your scared halfwit version of protestantism is so threadbare and so worthless it's no wonder you're so terrified and prickish all the time. Your magical book of lies is not in any way true and you are an irritating buffoon with the iq of a fencepost. You ignorant cocksucking dunce.
nilbud 1 year ago
" An EAW can only be issued for offences carrying a maximum penalty of 12 months or more. Where sentence has already been passed an EAW can only be issued if the prison term to be enforced is at least four months long."
It is a pity about the facts, otherwise you almost had half a point.
nilbud 1 year ago
@nilbud - Well if you can't pay the fine I'm going to guess that would mean enprisonment which is what your covering? Oh and this was already used twice that I know of in the past and I gave examples in this video as well, so it is infact punishable.
Pity about the facts.
1rishShaman 1 year ago
@1rishShaman That is specious. The crime is insufficient to warrant an EAW so the blasphemy law is irrelevant as far as the EAW is concerned and vice versa. The law was enacted in January so it can not have been used in the past.
It is indeed a pity about the facts.
Anything else you'd like clarified?
nilbud 1 year ago
@nilbud - It WAS infact used in the past few years and I gave my examples. Go check them out if you don't believe me. I'm not merely talking from January onwards as you would realise if you seen that this video was posted at the end of last summer. Also drop the pretentious attitude, it doesn't suit.
1rishShaman 1 year ago
Oh. Now you've done it.
You are soooo getting arrested. ;)
peope1976 1 year ago
how does this not add to the obvious fact that this is a superstate idea. the 3 main parties in uk dont challenge this, and people dont think the eu is a big deal - it is, this is really f**king serious. how can someone be taken to greece when he hasnt even been there? I would simply refuse to go, as would any person who respects freedom.
trigga1uk 1 year ago
@trigga1uk - I wouldn't really call it a reason to think of a superstate government thing or whatever, it's actually in place for like I said murders, rapists, child abusers, arsonists, terrorists who attempt to flee to other countries or country bound to avoid being able to be aprehended by their own authorities.
Its just a shame that countries in the EU where Blasphemy is illegal can still go after someone should enough people be offended. It means well but its still fucked up for blasphemy.
1rishShaman 1 year ago
I poked fun I guess but nothing too serious =P I more meant along the lines that some people would jump to like "the whole thing is just pedo's in skirts" type of comments. Oh and don't worry, I don't judge an entire group by a few select people.
1rishShaman 1 year ago
Wilders is right, Jordan can go stuff itself adn live in it's idiotic ideas about the universe. Science and rational thought are the only things that need protecting, from Loony ideas of religion, Particularly the murcerous CULT of ISLAM. FO - Jordan, Saudi, and all the oethr prickless abusers of women, apostates, and all Non dickheads
markwessex 1 year ago
the fuck is sticking out of your ear, dude?
MaximusRelaximus 2 years ago
It's a taper for stretching your ear lobes. I wore it for a bit a while back (before losing it) when I was going from 10mm-13mm and didn't have any other jewellary at hand to wear.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
Don't forget about Geert Wilders. Jordan wants him tried for insulting islam. But this is about the UN.
Fuck dude, we Dutchies could be thrown in jail anywhere because of drugs, prostitution, euthanasia, abortion etc. =P
So, I will put in my 2 cents. *Clears throat*: "FUCK RELIGION!"
SicSeb 2 years ago 2
wonder how the new law will affect the university classes, especially scientific courses. shall we ban facts to protect the peasants' feelings?
clifftonjohnson 2 years ago 3
So I have a friend that is working on a novel. In it, in ancient Ireland, a Druid is turned into a vampire. Throughout time, Christianity poses a threat to this vampires way of life. Even though factual historic references are made, it's obviously a work of fiction. But, under Ireland's new law, my friend could be sued if this irritates Christians or the Neo-Druids? Or, would it just be banned?
DawnLaurene 2 years ago
Who knows, the law still isn't even 100% clear on what it intends to censor to "protect". At the minute all that is said about it is that if something is deemed offencive to somebodies religious beliefs, then they may seek to take action against you by contacting the respective authorities (in this case the Gardí) and it is from there where to system takes over and decides if you have indeed broken the law or not. It rediculous to have it in place, as it's a law which doesn't define itself.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
I signed it already. Thanks for your good fight. If it weren't for people like you, I wouldn't even know about this. It's truly ludicrous ... Don't know if American signatures will help, but I'll do my best to spread the word.
DawnLaurene 2 years ago
Thank you very much, any help is greatly appriciated. It doesn't matter where in the world the signatures come from, it's just an appeal to the Irish Government to realise that they didn't take peoples opinions into question when they put this law in place... they never even asked the public what they wanted!
1rishShaman 2 years ago
When Europeans look down their noses at Americans (which I certainly do from time to time:) you might want to stop and think about this situation and what it means.
In America, for all it's religious insanity, these kind of laws can not be enacted because of the Constitution. Apparently the EU does not protect the right of free speech.
How the hell did that happen?
That is not a rhetorical question.
macnutz 2 years ago
Actually believe it or not, this new law contridicts the freedom of expression act within the EU Charter. But still, lets not let that get in the way of progress *rolls eyes*
1rishShaman 2 years ago
So member states can enact laws that contravene the EU Charter? That is incredibly poor thinking to allow laws that contravene the Charter while using the charter to enforce those contravening laws across national borders.
Seriously, as long as this stands, Europeans have no ground for looking down on Americas' religious problems.
There are plenty of things to criticize about the states but Europe is several steps behind America with such laws.
No more Irish in my glass. Maybe forever.
macnutz 2 years ago
Oh no, Dermot Ahern knew that it was going to be against the charter but whats more important? It was the fact that the Irish Constitution had a part in it about blasphemy being punishable, but there was never an actual penalty due to it being uninforceable. Now to make all the constiution fit in place he has brought this in. Believe it or not, even now, nearly a year later we're still trying to figure out why exactly he thought this was a good idea...
1rishShaman 2 years ago
1/1/2010, It is now illegal to tell the truth in ireland! What sort of country is it?
pigsbishop99 2 years ago
Regarding the blasphemy law. I remember Dawkins said something or said there was a bumper stick in America stating
"Blasphemy is a victimless crime"
questionsamson 2 years ago
Lots of things are a threat to freedom.
ocean3da 2 years ago
Are we children!
The Blasphemy Law: "(we are better than you) We must be protected from all criticism(we are better than you) because we are easily offended (we are better than you) and can't defend ourselves (we are better than you)".
End of story.
summerofmysmile 2 years ago
Have you seen video of this debate that debate you mentioned. I think you'd really like how it turned out.
The debate really centred on the church's pronouncement on condom use in Africa and their attitude to homosexuality.
They lost big time
pete975 2 years ago
Sup Irish, this is (DemonicTrout). Totally agree with you, im a very neutral person religion wise, and if people do not agree with your thoughts then so be it. It is not like legitament reasons about religion arent agrued fervently anyway. But that should not stop equality and equal opportunity from happening
Javiermanftw 2 years ago
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Blasphemous statements invariably affect religious adherents and have the very real danger of inculcating within the religious community under attack a sense of inferiority, that may in time become socially acceptable - we're already witnessing this in relation to the treatment of Muslims in Europe. This then may give rise to social deprivation and other inequalities.
MPACIE 2 years ago
I was wondering when you'd show up liam. Hows the group going? If you want Muslims to lose there semi-bad name, then perhaps go out to the middle east and get the violent ones to stop killing in the name of. I really do lovethe hypocrisy, you are part of a religion thats known to (at least some of its memebers) to kill "infidels" and people who worship other idols, yet you say that non-religious people are attacking you. Oh the irony.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
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Just a fleeting visit Shaman, we like to keep an eye on our critics :)
The group is going well thank you.
I'm not sure which Muslims in the Middle East you are referring to? The ones I'm aware of that are killing people are doing so in the context of a war to free them from occupation. To fight against the tyranny and injustice of occupation is most noble, don't you think?
MPACIE 2 years ago
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The only kuffar (infidels is a Christian construct) that Muslims fight are those who fight them. We're not Christians, so the concept of turning the other cheek isn't something we practice, though I've seen few Christians who actually do so anyway.
I do believe there is a concerted effort to push Islam and religion in general into the private sphere, an effort that is doomed to failure I might add.
MPACIE 2 years ago
Oh not to push them into a private sphere, but personally if they are coming at other people, attempting to influence people outside of their own little belief group, who don't even believe in their thing and start making laws based on those things... To put it bluntly they can go fuck themselves. Also just because on individual person has a negative opinion, that doesn't make their opinion factually valid. You have to understand that about your little group.
Also search Radicle Muslims
1rishShaman 2 years ago
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In what way do you think Muslims or any other religious adherent is 'coming at other people'? In a society of equals shouldn't all be treated so, and if there are inequalities shouldn't they be addressed?
MPACIE 2 years ago
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Why should minorities have to suffer injustice simply because it irks people like you to see them seeking an equitable status? Muslims and other religious adherents are perfectly entitled to use their political mandate to bring about changes that are beneficial to their particular communities, this is a right enjoyed by all so why would you seek to exclude the religious?
MPACIE 2 years ago
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As for validity, ours is an evident social injustice and inequality coupled with an intrinsic self worth which precludes the second class citizenry wished upon us.
On that note, adieu.
MPACIE 2 years ago
Please check out those videos. Any social group that acts that way is not welcome in a progressive society. Its not just a small group of people who believe this way, its the majority of the people who actually believe in freedom and equal rights. Abusive society structures are not progressive, and you only have to look at the regions its prevalent in to realise that.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
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And yet you rail against a bill that would in some way seek to protect religious adherents from abusive society structures. Now there's irony.
MPACIE 2 years ago
Actually we are **against** a bill which would make it perfectly acceptable for a certain group who believe in invisible sky men and all this supernatural stuff from centuries ago. If you want to live under a certain belief structure thats perfectly acceptable, but don't expect to be able to push your religious belief which is a personal belief to each individual, onto other people. I don't go around striking up controversy, christians usally do not, muslims do. It's not just atheists.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
We are against people pushing a law that defends against them being upset or pissy about an opinion and belief.
If you say you don't like something I do, I don't attempt to legislate against you or parade around trying to get my way with websites and strong offencive material. Most people have figured out this is not the way towards a progressive society, but still some people attempt to sneak this type of shit into power.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
I defend your right to contest my belief, I simply do not believe you have to be abusive to do so. In times past it was said that 'abuse is the lowest form of argument'. Sadly today it is the first and only recourse in any argument.
Nobody 'chooses' to be upset Shaman, in fact there very little thought that goes into it.
If some individual walked up to you and started slagging off your mum, called your dad a pervert and then had a go at you for 'choosing to be upset' would you accept that?
MPACIE 2 years ago
@MPACIE
Well then, we should outlaw Christianity and Islam. After all, they say that me and all my kin are condemned to hell, and call us misguided. I take offense to that and my community takes offense to that.
napolean308 2 years ago 3
A progressive society is one that emulates the Shariah state. Where different ideologies and beliefs coexist, and where communities are allowed to administer their own laws according to their beliefs but where all contribute and work toward the good of society. Now there's a progressive society - sadly we have to travel back hundreds of years to witness it.
MPACIE 2 years ago
So you are for the implementation of abusive society structures. You have no qualms in being abusive toward religious adherents.
I don't push my belief upon people Shaman, but others would seek to do that to us. Those who believe hijab should not be seen in public would relegate our women to their homes. Those who do not believe a Muslim man has a right to follow his religion would deny him job opportunities on that basis. There are many more examples - but the pushing seems to be one way.
MPACIE 2 years ago
I believe if you experienced inequality, injustice and inequity you might speak out - of course it's entirely up to recipients of your message if they deem it controversial. It doesn't have to be, you just choose to make it so.
MPACIE 2 years ago
Sure, lets allow people to be violent or abusive towards other groups in society just because they don't believe the same way. Sorry, I don't agree with that way of life. Everyone is equal, but if someone is willing to try and force their own beliefs on others in life and in society, then its not acceptable. Watch those videos that come up first on the "Radicle Muslim" search in YouTube.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
Turkey is not in Europe (2% of its terraine is, but if you were 2% english would you like being called an englishman), that is totally a detraction.
SuperSayjinElite 2 years ago
Never said it was. It was looking to join the EU though.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
kanker junk
TaliWheely 2 years ago
But since you argue in such an abusive way... why should I hear you?
faro0485 2 years ago
I'm not asking anyone to take my advice, I'm asking people to think on the topic raised.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
Isn't it interesting that you block people who raise the question of you being abusive to their intelligence?
Maybe when they take you to the gulags... what do you expect to hear other than "you deserved it for being rude"?
ummey4j 2 years ago
If that was directed towards me, then who did I block for "being abusive towards their intelligence"?.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
No one, must have been a youtube glitch.
faro0485 2 years ago
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Ah its a citizens who complain while the scholars say otherwise... seems like a conspiracy to destroy religion.
faro0485 2 years ago
Scholars such as? An overweight and arrogant minister for "justice" surely seems like a bad example. Also citizens built the foundations of everything. There would be no religion without the citizens to foolishly back it up...
1rishShaman 2 years ago
Scholars such as the ones you referred to, and the complaint made by someone individual.
faro0485 2 years ago
I think thats a retarded law. WOOT for being in America. Im christian but I think that shit is fucked up to no end.
lunchbox118 2 years ago 7
also does this mean that my Morbid Angel, Deicide and Slayer cds are illegal? I'm dead serious
harvesterofsorrow111 2 years ago 12
If its religious and enough people get offended over it, it's punishable... so nothing really has imunity.
It'll be fun testing it though with my account.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
Well Deicide have songs like Fuck your God and Bastard of Christ lol, Morbid Angel have God of Emptiness, Chapel of Ghouls and Lords of All Fevers and Plagues(which is a satanic prayer hahahaha) and well I don't have to explain Slayer hahaha
harvesterofsorrow111 2 years ago 3
Yea, its insane and some crazy shit. I taught myself a cover of Dethklok's "Impeach God" on bass guitar (no videos of it as a bass cover on YT yet - don't steal my fuckin' idea!) - but if it caused enough people to get annoyed it could be taken down... which is just utterly retarded. Luckily however, I'm working on a Media course in college this year. Blasphemy and taking the piss will be approached by me from multiple angles, first angle fucking jesus "cowboy" style.
1rishShaman 2 years ago
I'm sure it won't be as big a deal though..........hopefully lol and don't worry I don't really like Dethklok although Gene Hoglan is an amazing drummer
harvesterofsorrow111 2 years ago
How long has this been illegal? that stupid bitch
its all dev's fault, if he didn't lead the new Ireland then we wouldn't have all this nonsensical religous bullshit
harvesterofsorrow111 2 years ago 2
Signed it.I liked your explaination of the meaning of "Prophet". My friend Patrick goes by Prophet in his band St Madness precisely because he tells the best stories through his music. I agree with all your other points also dude. Going to your GWAR upload now.
guitarzero 2 years ago 2