Human Evolution?

[XXLRIZZLA]

the argument here about the inaccuracies in darwin's theories are pretty solid, but to then say that the bible contains the correct answer to the origin of man despite the fact that the bible is entirely lacking in any sort of proof - much more lacking than the theory of evolution - makes this argument lose absolutely all credibility and essentially makes this man nothing more than a common hypocrite.

[MaxorZoo]

Why do I get the hiccups then? So far evolution is the most convincing answer to me.

[227Morgan]

Wow, this video is really funny. They go on for like 8 minutes about how there isn't enough evidence to support the theory of human evolution. Alright, some valid arguments. Then they spend about 2 minuets citing the bible as "evidence" for creationism. "See, our's is in a book, so it HAS to be true."

[griffgriff78]

Delete for rudeness. Please rephrase.

[sk8grill]

I'm sorry but this video is very misleading. All of your information is taken out of context. I suggest actually taking a class or two ...COLLEGE LEVEL!... on human origins and not doing whatever independent research you are doing.

P.S. try actually READING the journals and not just looking at the pictures. ...we're not in kindergarten anymore...

[griffgriff78]

So you know the proper context for all the information in this video. How? You want me to stop doing indepdent research. Why?

Youtube is user generated content. I'll make videos as I see fit. . 6 year-olds can upload videos if they want. It's primary use is for entainment. Go and watch a video about hairdressing instead if you don't like my video.

[eliece7]

Science and religion are two diferent languages telling the same story, in this case the story of human orgin. Theproblem with many "christian churches" is that they are so incliended to belive in the bible in a literal way that they dont accept the new scientific discoveries, The scientifi method of the ninteentwienties are not as up to date than the ones now, Its really sad when I incounter such unflexible rigid thinking..dont be so unsecure!..At the end the one who made it all posible is God.

[griffgriff78]

Interesting. Copy and paste your comment into a window with a spelling checker. Then come back.

[mykegoh]

Wow GOD is REAL....!!!! I guest He can't come at the moment when world is on war becos he is busy..

He was also busy when people die of hunger.

But never mind, He said this world is going to end anyway and he won't/can't stop it.

Anyway, He created everything, but darn, but they keep evolving.!!!! like those stupid viruses...

[griffgriff78]

You maniacs. You finally blew it up.

[darkcolmar]

Science has disproven the bible, there was no moses, not mass exodus from egypt. No great flood. Evolution is real and can be seen on the microscopic scale in realtime. we share 95% of our DNA with Chimps. How can you deny the truth?!

[griffgriff78]

Why have some of the greatest names in Science been Bible believers?

Archaeology confirms the Bible over and over. Go to the British Museum. God is real and his handiwork is all around us from the codes in our genes and the galaxies above. How can you deny the truth?!

[darkcolmar]

Really? Name one site that has been proven from the bible? There is no evidance for a mass migration from Egypt. No other evidance for the existance for Jesus outside of the bible. No proof of the "great Flood". Genes prove evolution, Archeology disproves the bible. Time to growup and stop believing in fairy tales.

[griffgriff78]

Try reading books by G Habermas, Craig Blomberg, Lee Strobel, Josh McDowell.

Try visiting the British Museum and asking about the evidence for the Bible.

[jasondemont]

Do you recognize the validity of fossil dating methods?

[griffgriff78]

I think there a some indications of how old a fossil is. I'd say it's very difficult to come up with any absolutely reliable dates. I accept that radioactive decay is a reliable observation in the world today but I'm not sure if we can extrapolate the the findings indefinitely.

[charadester]

Notice that the video excludes much of the evidence and concentrates only on bones. Stone tools showing progressively increasing complexity, hundreds of teeth that show the same 2-1-2-3 pattern as apes and humans, remains of fire and dwellings, artwork AND sufficient skeletal remains to more than satisfy scientists that humans descended from a common ancestor with the apes. The fragmentary record makes the exact lines of descent difficult to confirm. That we evolved is accepted overwhelmingly.

[griffgriff78]

Thanks for your comment. Who are the "the apes". You believe that humans are not apes then? Also being overwhelmingly accepted does not equal truth. The world population overwhelmingly believes in a God or gods. There is a common designer to life. See the lectures of Wilder-Smith in my favourites.

[charadester]

We're not apes, but we fall under the hominines, a group that include apes and humans. When I say that evolutionary change is accepted overwhelmingly, it is not due to popularity but a very large body of supporting scientific evidence. Scientists don't support any concept until the database of supportive experiments warrants it. Finally, yes the world believes in gods and God, but they don't have any observable evidence that they exist. Thus, science wouldn't accept their claim that they do.

[griffgriff78]

Science has limits and much of the Naturalistic claims about the origins of science fall outside the remit of scientific testing. There is plenty of historic evidence of God's activity and many personal encounters today. Each person will arrive at their own conclusions regarding. A great many scientists also believe the Bible and many great scientist believed it too.

[charadester]

Science has limits, indeed. Mistakes are made. Still, out of all the possible systems of human thought, what do you declare is the most evidence-based, rational and objective method of inquiry that humans have?

[bettySwollox]

griffgriff78

Wow, another ignorant theist, spreading misinformation about a subject they know nothing about! Amazing, who'd of thunk it?

At least your video starts off with a truth, as the first slide clearly state that what you propose is indeed propaganda! Science does not suggest that man evolved from apes. We are apes you moron! Don't you get that? Would it make sense to say "Magpies evolved from birds", or, "Tuna evolved from fish"?

EPIC FAIL!!!

[griffgriff78]

Since you speak english hopefully what are all the possible uses of the word 'ape'? And which would you say is the most common usage?

[darkcolmar]

"Tailless primate". We fall under that usage.

[griffgriff78]

I said all.

[darkcolmar]

that IS the usage in question. That is the only usage that you questioned! No more word games. I see through deceat and lies that any theist tries to use to "convice" me that anything they say. Again, grow up and ingore what your church elders tell you and make up your own mind. Then, and only then, can you see the whole truth.

[griffgriff78]

You've clearly flipped out. "Then, and only then, can you see the whole truth." Sorry Gandalf!

[bettySwollox]

Identifying each and every use of the world would be impossible. However, here are a few to amuse you, and to assist you in getting to whatever point you are trying to make.

Ape:

Tailless primate

Mimic

A clumsy oaf

A gangster's "muscle"

So please, feel free to demonstrate your point now.

[griffgriff78]

The 2nd of seven uses in a dictionary.

2. (loosely) any primate except humans

ie. the way most people use. Although I know it can be used to include humans.

[bettySwollox]

You've got it the wrong way round. It IS used with humans in the explanation, and CAN be used (loosely) with the exclusion of humans in the description.

But what's your point? I thought you were going to make a point. Instead you've merely referenced an online dictionary.

[griffgriff78]

It means that I obviously using it in that sense of the word and you can get that from the context. It's a perfectly legitimate use of the word and perfectly understandable. The journal Natue frequently use the word ape in a sense that exclude humans. ie in their recent videos in the "Dikika baby".

[tikinkss]

Excellent vid. My only problem with it is that with all of the brilliant research performed to come to these conclusions...you sorely lack the knowledge of the history of ancient scripts.

[TravisMorien]

So what you're saying is "Scientists have uncovered mistakes in previous research. All research is therefore questionable. Anything which is questionable is probably wrong. The bible isn't questionable though (we take that as an unchallengable assumption), and our particular interpretation of the bible (which is different to the way others interpret it, but they're not true Christians according to our definition, so we define them to be wrong), says that God did it as laid out in Genesis."

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[jimrobbins01]

The question evolution deniers need to answer is what is the explanation for all the existing fossil evidence of non-homo sapien large-brained bipeds? Then you need to answer why the creator included in our DNA 128 mutated, non-functional genes in exactly the same relative location to 4 working genes for our sense of smell that we share with mice and rats where they have all 128 genes that are perfectly functional for their sense of smell.

[jrrod02]

The bible? Why not the Koran, Torah, or the Egyptian book of the dead. You mean Jesus, not Apollo, Zeus, Horus Mohammad, or Mithra?

I find it hilarious how you devote so much time to disprove a scientific theory by pointing all the faults and gaps yet you don't do the same with the bible or your religion. Why don't you research the history of your bible, and discover the thousands of errors found in there. Why pick and choose verses? You mention racism, what about racism in the bible? Slavery?

[griffgriff78]

I find the Bible to be a reliable historical document. Have you read the bible? God is a God of justice also a God of mercy. In his justice he should destroy us all, but in his mercy he wants to save us all.

Where do you get the idea that slavery is wrong? Is it just your opinion or can you prove it?

[jrrod02]

The Bible is a realiable Historical document?? Haha. You must be delusional. So the earth is 6 thousand yrs old huh? You seriously can't believe this. How can it be that every single scientific theory (and there are thousands) all are consistant with the earth being in the Billions of yrs old, and none come close to saying 6 thousand, oh but the bible that is the correct book. Yeah not any other books. LOL it is laughable that in this day in age ppl stil believe this crap. If

[griffgriff78]

Where does the Bible say the Earth is 6,000 years old? I do not know how old it is. Yes the Bible is a historical document. Take a visit to the British Museum and ask about the evidence for the Bible.

[Uthink4yourself]

6000 years by simply adding the numbers between "BEGATS". How could YOU be SO ignorant of the content of your book of "truths", and the study of same by your own kind. (Delusional Desporados)

You can do math can't you?

[griffgriff78]

Did you read that in there yourself or just pick that idea off the internet? Some people argue that the genealogies in the Bible are an overview and skip generations. Are you really thinking4yourself?

[zulfitareen]

this video is good enough to prove that theists' mind has not evolved yet.

[griffgriff78]

I guess we wait for natural selection to get rid of us then?

[jamespfp]

Hey - why are you bothering with a paleo argument at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to talk about what we can see via Genetics? Oh - let me guess, genetics is propaganda too.

This video shamefully misdirects by ignoring what we can now know, by molecular biology.  Strange, how the religious nutters are always stuck 200 years behind the times.

[griffgriff78]

This video was designed as a response to a video on fossils. I actually find the arguments from genetics for evolution more compelling but I still find the origin of DNA an enimga and have seen no compelling naturalist cause.

[OmegaWord2011]

ugh. thought this was going to be a vid on evolution. instead got worthless creation propoganda. is there a reason I can't vote this vid down?

[griffgriff78]

This is a vid on evolution. All the quotes are from evolutionists.

[SebGarth]

The video does raise some compelling points against certain aspects of current paleoanthropologic theories. Still, there is ample scientific evidence to back up the underlying theory of evolution itself. The bottom line is, though, you either believe in creation or you believe in something else, and the latter cannot ever be compared with the former in a stricty logical sense. They are incompatible ideas, and so the argument is moot. Better that we accept eachother's views and leave it at that.

[NZwingtamer]

Please post a picture of God creating a human, this would be interesting to see. If you could verify your picture somehow I'm sure a great number of scientists would be interested. Scientists require evidence that is contestable such as fossils and tend to ignore theories based solely on speculation such as the books of The Bible.

[griffgriff78]

Please post a video of a single inorganic matter self asembling into a living cell and reprodcing until it becomes Selma Hayek.

[jamespfp]

Don't be foolish and over-demanding, like a spoiled child. That's the kind of attitude theistic nonsense cultivates within you.

[griffgriff78]

Gosh! Mr Sensitive. I was making a joke because of his equally rediculous request. "Please post a picture of God creating a human". Duh!

[jdmarshall6]

Wow...you are going to sit there and bash scientific evidence, and then swoop in at the end of your video and state that one single being "God" started all of this? You think that evolution is far fetched yet the fact that some "God" came here and started everything isn't far fetched? Open up your mind, just because we evolved doesn't mean that your "God" can't exist as well. If we don't use the knowlege and scientific facts presented to us then I would have to say that is pretty ignorant.

[griffgriff78]

You don't think it's logical to suspect an intelligent first cause to the order of the universe?

[jhbbunch]

Here is what you can go on. We disappear from the fossil record around ~180,000 YA. So our ancestor past that point is not the modern human. We know that much. Now what else in the fossil record past 180,000 yrs. could it be?

[waynne12345]

you spend the first 8mins discrediting others' sources, then use a source that gives no proof at all to make your point. ?!?

[serpentmax]

Again why we are 98% similar to chimps? Did God ran out of new ideas and just considered few differences here and there just for fun? Whatever the reason is do not even think that pan and homo are cousins!

[griffgriff78]

We are not 98% similar to chimps. New differences in our genome and theirs are being discovered as well as similarities. Also statistics can be misleading. Imagine some studies say our genome is 90% similar to a mouse. Imagine we are 70% water.

[WillSKB88]

Yeah, um, quoting Darwin doesn't make your argument more credible... science has advanced a lot since then.

We don't call Pluto a planet after all, do we now?

[TricKyMcTrickPants]

Why are you all arguing the fact that one skull was fake? There have been several skulls and skeletons from many bipedal primates discovered in the last century.

[griffgriff78]

Like humans?

[d4maniac]

I actually found this interesting and many of the arguments made are valid, at least on some topical note. However for every point that you have made out there is probably 200 points that could be used to debate yours. I´m not gonna have a debate, but I´m sure that the 7 day theory is much more plausible than evolution. The whole in the bible plants came before the light stuff can´t possibly be debated from a scientific point of viev

[bigwhammyRocks]

That's really just an improper understanding of the Biblical text. Google Dr Gerald Schroeder and take a look.

[mortenrobinson]

i find it's kinda disturbing how so many people choose to believe in the creation myth over the theory of evolution. Are you people so brainwashed that you find that old story to be a satisfactory and logical accountance for the origin of life. A magical being shaping a man out of dirt and blowing into him the vital breath of life... Woow, that's so logical compared to the theory of evolution. And even after viewing a lot of the evidence... I shake my head at you people!!

[griffgriff78]

It's kinda disturbing that people think that we were formed from the particles of the earth (or dust) by nothing, for no reason, by complete accident. You believe that?

[luckyrice69]

The whispy evidence of human evolution is very thin, and yet so much more compelling than the existence of your "God."

[steelbot]

how can u have ur cake an eat it to??? the bible an evolution contradict each other didnt happen both ways. or did it???

[griffgriff78]

Many Christians believe in evolution. They take Genesis as a polemic or literal framework. I have more sympathty with them than somebody who rejects the Bible without studying it carefully with and open mind and an open heart.

[UNFFwildcard]

How much should I bet that I'll be getting 'comment pending approval'?

[DhulFiqaar1924]

nice video

[HighFlyingDutchman]

nice vid

hehe

[tylerdurden176]

Its just such a shame, that the video ended up promoting the bible. For a while it looked somehow cool for challenging all the Evolution theories...

[griffgriff78]

Thanks for your comment. It is a shame that evolutionists think they should criticise the Bible. Many people are happy to believe in both.

[TricKyMcTrickPants]

If you take the bible literally, then you cannot believe in both. God created Adam out of the earth, and Eve out of Adam's rib. How can you take that belief and then say you believe in evolution. And don't say that your not supposed to take the bible literally, because if you don't, you are therefor questioning the word of god. That in itself is a sin. And why would you use the term evolutionist? It is not a religion. It is but a scientific theory.

[armouredove]

The impression of the good old scientists uncovering the fraud "immediately" once they were allowed to view the material is misleading and it should be remembered that some of those scientists contributed actively or unwittingly to the promotion of this forgery. We are not knights in shining armour we are rational intelligent people looking for answers who are still human enough to be swayed by our biases and preconceptions.

[salroja]

wonder how long the antievolution farse can be carried on

[asymmetrichwz]

wonder how long the evolution farce can be carried on....

[bastardrob]

infinitly

[griffgriff78]

Did you mean infinitely? At least till Jesus returns anyway.

[ionz75]

As long as people are willing to use reason.

[griffgriff78]

Does the concept of evolution favour the reasonable? No. But true reason leads one to realise the exsitence of a Creator. This is of no question.

[ionz75]

Baseless assertions.

[griffgriff78]

Do you believe that there is such a thing as truth? ie. Do the things you hold to be true have external validity beyond the mental concepts you have of them?

[ionz75]

I only believe something if I think that belief is likely to be externally true, however we must realize that much of what we believe is at best a generalization of the truth, considering our language's limited ability to describe our world.

[griffgriff78]

You don't think words are specific only generalizations? You base your beliefs on likelihoods rather than certainties?

Your critical skills sound very fuzzy.

[ionz75]

I have come to understand and accept my limits by applying critical thought to my own concept of knowledge. If you think you can be certain of anything other than your own existence, then you are not thinking critically enough.

[griffgriff78]

You exist. That's only thing you're certain of? You need help mate. I'm certain of that. You are'nt thinking critically at all. If actually believe that why can't you accecpt you could be wrong about claims you are making. It's self defeating.

[eliece7]

griffgriff..you can belive what ever you like, if you want to belkive the wolrd was created 5000 years ago..go ahead, if you want to belive that the world is flat, go ahead if you want to belive that the moon is made ouf of cheese, Go Ahead, you can up louad all the videos youy like, and I can give my opinion on all the videos that i want on here.And by the way I dont need to read all those books..a little common sense will do..I dont dispute faith, but its u the one that needs toaccept reality

[ionz75]

I admit my skepticism towards my own beliefs, and you accuse me of not thinking critically enough?! You need to read up on your definitions buddy.

"I think, therefore I am" sums up all that can be known with 100% certainty, everything else is just educated guessing and probability, which means of course that I can be wrong about anything except my own existence. I'm not claiming to be infallible, I'm just pointing out that your statements are out of line with the observable evidence.

[griffgriff78]

Descartes is famous for saying "cogito ergo sum". He believed in God but erroneously believed that God was not subject to the law of non-contradiction. You seem to be advocating Rationalism and Empiricism at the same time which exclude each other. Our senses are reliable source of knowledge or not. The Bible teaches we are created with the capacity to study rest of creation (esp. science) and our Creator Himself (esp. Theology), but in a way limited by our finiteness and sin.

[rdubtastic]

Just had that same conversation with a friend last night. I believe you are indisputably correct.

[McMonster65]

why haven't you the courage to allow ratings and to have responsed from those who- unlike you- know what they are talking about?

is it because you are an intellectual and moral coward?

[griffgriff78]

It is because I have reason to think that people like you would give it 1 star merely because they disagreed with it regardless of the quality of the video. However please tell me how many stars you would have given it.

[LithodidMan]

How can you live with yourself? Quotes with no refs and nice music and you see this as evidence? Shame.

[griffgriff78]

Please find all quotes fully referenced in the info panel since I uploaded it. Care to apologise?

[UThinkForYourself]

Mine's obviously pending approval too ... so much for free speach under a religious doctrine .....pathetic creatures.

[griffgriff78]

You can't even spell speech. Do you have something important to say?

[eponine13]

This is hilarious. I love how blind and uneducated people are about evolution. So there's not sufficient evidence that evolution occurred? And what's your evidence that creationism is true...some book someone wrote thousands of years ago? If you call that sufficient evidence, then I'm sorry, but you're sadly mistaken.

[griffgriff78]

Thinking logically the ammount of directed power and information to start universe and a world teeming with life is best explained by super powerful, super intellegent, creative force. Also evolution is still compatible with some types of Creationism. Darwin refered to himself as a theist and refered to the Creator in Origin,

[garouHH]

Piltdown Man... Nebraska Man... If only videos like this would tell the whole story... But that wouldn't fit in with your antiscientific bias, now would it?

[griffgriff78]

10 minutes isn't enough for the whole story! Please see the recommended reading for a more indepth analysis. All the quotes in this video are from scientists who believe in evolution. Are they anti-science too?

[garouHH]

Ten minutes for the story of Piltdown and Nebraska Man? I bet I can do it in two comment boxes.

When Piltdown Man was presented, scientists were highly skeptical from the start; if it had been legit, that'd have meant that an ancestor of man would have traveled from Africa to England, then back again. It stuck out like a sore thumb! But they weren't allowed to analyze the "fossil" as its creators toured the world with it. When they were, the fraud was uncovered immediately.

[garouHH]

Nebraska Man... A farmer found a strange tooth. While he sent it to a university, a seemingly highly imaginative artist friend of his created a picture of what he thought the tooths former owner looked like. Again, when the scientists got hold of the tooth, analyzed it and found it to be a pigs tooth, the damage again had already been done: Creationists had another "example of evolutionistic fanatism".

[garouHH]

And now to the quotes in the videos description: Besides that some look highly quote-mined, most are thirty or more years old. Not only do they not reflect the current state of research, they were made before genetics could enter the field of paleontology. And today, with that genetic research, quite a lot of the formerly unsure ancestral tree of humanity has been nailed down, not to mention that the common ancestry of humans and apes is now proven by every genome in your body.

[sexhealthuk]

The video is an overveiw. Not about Nebraska man. Genetics don't show common ancestry, that is merely infered by evolutionists. Impossible to prove. Bogus 'quote mine' card is always played when evolutioists look stupid. Grow up.

[garouHH]

The video mentions Nebraska Man, but distorts that anecdote beyond recognition until its moral is the exact opposite of what it should have been. Being an overview video is no excuse for that.

And regarding genetics: Look up endogenous retroviral markers. While there are several other genetic proofs as well, these are the last nail in the coffin. Common ancestry *is* proven.

[Atriviality]

"Genetics don't show common ancestry"

- Really? Then all that genetic testing for paternity tests are complete bollocks are they?

The "'quote mine' card is always played when" creationists are deliberately misrepresenting the material concerned (which is what quote mining is; and generally what creationists are doing when they are "quoting" evolutionists).

[griffgriff78]

We the point being made is there is no sufficient reason to believe apes and humans have a common ancestor. Paternity test always show that the parent is the same species as the child, this is obversable and repeatable.

[WaxItYourself]

It sounds like you are attempting to say that in order for evolution to occur the parent at one point must be a different species than a child. This is false and I hope you realize it. Look up the term Ring Species. All those subspecies that can interbreed with one another are the same species type while those that can't interbreed with one another are of a different species type, that is the two end subspecies. Ring Species are though to be one species currently going through speciation.

[InfiniteMusic]

More evolutionist historical revisionism. The hoax wasn't discovered for over FORTY YEARS. Many of the top evolutionists in the world personally examined the skull over the course of many years, and firmly believed it to be authentic. Sir Arthur Keith, one of the top evolutionary anthropologists of that era, examined it and was so convinced of it's authenticity, he erected a memorial at the spot where it was found. Evolutionist revisionist lies can't cover up the enormity of the Piltdown Hoax.

[bornagain7777777]

Excellent

[mejc2]

griffgriff78, Now that was a good video. you should consider posting it under different names. If it comes up in more searches, more people will view it.

Good luck, but as a christian you don't need it.

J.C.