The Decline of a Once-Great City: Reason Saves Cleveland Wit

[angel55676]

The same thing happened to Sydney in the 50s. People began moving out of the city itself and into the suburbs, while the city itself suffered horribly. Sydney entered the 80s in a slump, but a "renaissance" happened, and now the city is back to its former glory. And one of the things they did was clean up the city and turn a lot of the abandoned buildings into office workplaces. And now people are moving back into the city. The same can happen to Cleveland, and St Louis, Pittsburgh etc.

[Amidat]

@angel55676 - yes - NYC experienced a similar type of renaissance as Sydney. Once NYC tackled crime it was able to re-attract investment... but that had much to do with it's strategic and symbolic importance. A lot of the investment came from overseas really. Some of the cities you mentioned may never be as strong as they once were.. but that doesn't mean that they have to be depressed. They just have to try to cultivate new industries.

[Nino2666B]

One Common theme in ALL poor and Bankrupt cities..."Communists, Marxists, and Socialists....run them ALL, but of course these politicians call themselves Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives...winky, winky...they've been exposed...America has arisen from her slumber...except in Cuyahoga County...

[JogBird]

seems like nothing has chnaged

[razoredge45]

Cut Government! Start paying down the debt, Create cheap energy (Nuclear Power Plants) Force our government to start fair trading with other nations/ China ect, we cant creat jobs unless we get rid of this global BS.. if you want change then it must start on the Federal level how does it feel to get strangled with our own red tape that we let them create! I dont see how a person at 40,000ft or in back of a limo can realy help anyone!

[zyodei]

@razoredge45 Two problems with your post: 1) Nuclear energy is not 'cheap'. It has only been economically feasible because of massive government subsidies, and because the government artificially limits the liability of the plant owners. In a truly free market, nuke energy would have never been built, because it simply isn't cost effective. and 2) The answer doesn't come from the top down - even if the problems DO ooze from the top down. EVERYTHING good in the world comes from the bottom up.

[razoredge45]

@zyodei Your right we should get rid of massive government subsidies and also entitlements. Nuclear Power all of Europe what do they know? (Those Ignorant foreigners) stop listening to media and vote on facts and performance and dump the feelings, understand the US is F0cked WHEN not IF we remove entitlements and subsidies, except the fact you need to have jobs for the slobs and lots of them. Cities die due to economic issues, why do you think people are moving south the Industry is gone!

[Amidat]

@razoredge45 - i'm not sure if you were trying to be funny or not... but western Europe is spending a whole lot of money on renewable energy... and they also offer their citizens much more entitlements that most places in the US. If the US was a part of the "Euro zone" - it would be like Greece is now. People are moving south 1) because it is cheaper - just like when they went west. 2) check the availability of air conditioning and you will see after that the migration south started.

[razoredge45]

@Amidat I had no idea Nuclear Power was the only one that received subsidies..And you need to do a little research as to why corporations would relocate to a different state you just keep drinking the Coolaid of denial they don’t leave because air conditioning, they leave because of the bottom line/ burden of doing business, City and States drive away industry with their hungry entitlements when public employees make higher wages than the private sector your doomed!

[Amidat]

@razoredge45 - no my point was that the population in Florida for example did not start to increase exponentially until there was reliable air-conditioning. That is a fact of history. Yeah it sounds nice to say "low cost - low regulation"... but after a generation or two - that changes because then regulations are needed once the population reaches a certain level. Real estate goes by supply and demand. Once a place becomes popular prices go up... and then there is the "next best place".

[mike8903]

i love the song in these clips does anyone know what the song is called?

[GWHH19]

Drew Please come to Pgh. and help us!

[Hamadm6311611]

I live in Cleveland and if I can help in any way with this project, please contact me!!

[dhart1949]

paulfeine,

Just used a Sony EX1 on a shoot (I'm a freelance cameraman). The viewfinder is god awful. The EX3 is a much better camera (viewfinder is excellent, best I've seen on the tiny cams). But your photography is stunning. I'm fond of the minimalist approach to interview lighting. Unfortunately my clients make me tart it up :-) Keep up the great work and I look forward to your next project.

[jbraly]

Hiya Reason! What camera did you film this footage with? Your videos are always so crisp and brilliant and I am shopping for a new prosumer camera (I do wedding videos on the side) and would love to know what you use.

Thanks in advance!

[paulfeine]

we used the sony ex1 for this project. $6300 @ b & h these days. we've had some focusing/firmware issues, but it's otherwise a lovely camera.

[jbraly]

@paulfeine thanks! the outcome is stunning. 'fraid that price is well out of my range, looking for a good HD prosumer under $2500. Thanks again!

[paulfeine]

we used the sony ex1 for this project. $6300 @ b&h these days. we've had some focusing/firmware issues, but they've otherwise been great.

[ckliar]

This can only mean Drew will be running for a government office soon...

[enotdetcelfer]

Let's hope! hehe

[ckliar]

@enotdetcelfer Yeah, if this works even a little bit I'd have no problem voting for him. Better than what we've got going on. (in NEOH)

[woodycoat]

Hell yeah I hope he does. What Cleveland's leadership needs are more intelligent charismatic former-Marines to get shit done.

Not hippy-dippy, vegan, socialist clowns like Kucinich who's run TENS OF THOUSANDS of jobs out of the area!

Carey FTW!

[stopularno]

@ckliar Yeah lol Mayor or US Senate, perhaps. Will be a great Republican victory :)

[solidwastedjeff]

trtgdfgrh

[solidwastedjeff]

who cares/

[woodycoat]

It really is a cool city. Cleveland has a lot of cool new and old architecture. It has WAYYYY more character than boring overpriced high tech areas like Silicon Valley. The city just needs to work on enticing more high tech ventures to start-up in the city with tax incentives.

...oh and they need to get rid of that anti-capitalist clown Kucinich. He's done more than his share to increase unemployment in Cleveland.

[guslingus]

You can take the man out of the jungle but you can not take the jungle out of the man..

[guslingus]

Study economic history.

Elitist capital has no home.. It has sucked the area dry and has moved on to new green pastures in China.

You must prepare for a drop in living standards and taxes on consumption of resources.

No happy tune will change that..

[anotherfoolonthehlLL]

White people have been trying to shake the niggers for a long time. Niggers move in... whites move out. It's just a fact that niggers ruin your community... your schools... your businesses. What's the big surprise?

[brotherjupiter]

Sterilize the blacks?

[daveistheboss]

Liberal judges and blacks permanently ruined Cleveland.

What White Man, with any Reasoning skills, would try to raise a family in Cleveland???

[APRoundtable]

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[DillonX]

The answer is quite simple

Do what we do in Texas

Here the major cities have a strong voice in state government & as ppl have moved to the suburbs the cities have annexed those areas

The problems with Detroit & Cleveland is not that they haven't grown - for the "cities" have - the centers have just have been walled in by state laws because suburbs can't be annexed

People from the suburbs still come into town to see games or use services but don't pay city property tax - that will kill a city

[ls1z28chris]

@DillonX

It isn't as simple as you think. Here in Atlanta the city is shrinking. You have masses of poor, uneducated blacks in the south of the city who dominate its politics while not contributing much in the way of taxes. In the north you have very affluent, mostly white, neighborhoods that contribute the vast majority of its tax revenue. Yet those people have no chance of having a say in city government. See the "black mayor at all costs" memo of last year's election.

[ls1z28chris]

@DillonX

So what people here are doing is trying to break away from the city of Atlanta and incorporate their own towns. Much of the surrounding suburbs are tired of unresponsive county government, at least in Fulton, and incorporating their own cities. Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, etc. So having the core city simply annex the 'burbs isn't feasible here. They aren't likely to be able to annex other cities and towns.

[larrydallas187]

@DillonX

so would the suburbs be in and pay their taxes to a rural municipality? if not the city municipality. they need to amalgamate, get them tax dollars.

All cities have core deterioration, its just the way she goes.

[ScottfromTexas]

"Do what we do in Texas"

Waste money on coddling illegal lowlifes who just become gang members?

[surrealnumber]

its ok cleveland the whole country is now in double digit unemployment. youre getting closer to the average by have the rest do worse, its kinda like the public school systems

[TruthAxe]

Screw Earnest Byner.

Byner went on to play for the Redskins with whom he won a Super Bowl ring, catching a 10-yard TD pass from Mark Rypien in SB 26 as the Redskins beat the Broncos, 37-24.

[TheNewMusicNetwork]

IT'S A BLACK CITY. this is why it sucks.

[djben1977]

I grew up in the Tremont neighborhood, Clarence Ct. I was born in 1952. And I still live in Cleveland. Thank you Mr. Cary for taking the time to do this. I applaud and sincerely appreciate what you are attempting to do. Thank you.

[nonantianarchist]

Ah, Dennis Kucinich in his younger days. He's a bit older now, but just as much of an idiotic crank as ever.

[getnick77]

I always liked Drew Carey now I know why

[IFknHateUTube]

As someone who spent 10 years living in Milwaukee, I'm very interested in this series. Everything you say about Milwaukee leaves me saying "yeah, Milwaukee too".

[yogeedogee]

I'm looking forward to the rest of the series!

[JTlovesDexter]

Go Parma!

[surferdfagan]

Koodoos to you Drew and all involved with making this project a reality. Educating the people who live here is probably the most important thing someone could do to bring about change!

Looking forward to seeing all the episodes you bring live!

[Yourmomisnthere]

He (Drew Carey) should team-up with Aretha Franklin to save the Rust-Belt cities such as Cleveland and Detroit.

[JohnRhysMusician]

Cleveland has seen considerable new housing development in its downtown areas and westside warehouse districts. There are many yuppies and gays moving in trying to regentrify the area, but that has come to sort of a standstill along with the national economy.

[nogl0001]

i'm pumped for this series!

[AshillaBeige]

Every time someone from Reason speaks, an angel has an orgasm. Every time Nick Gillespie speaks, I have an orgasm...

[ArtistTyrant]

60 years ago Cleveland was more white than it is now

[MarcusCMarcellus]

The mistake by the lake was always a crappy place. There was never anything "great" about Cleveland. We should stop trying to invest in failure, as Obama has done with GM and the bailouts, and invest in future potential.

[katey1dog]

Detroit, Cleveland, Gary, and Cincinatti are all basically "mistakes by the lakes." 

Not due to racial tensions, government entitlement programs, or crime. It all lacks manufacturing.

It ain't comin' back anytime soon.

These cities need to be scrapped.

[juniorjer]

Might I suggest the Reasontv staff travel then go to Buffalo NY to learn what the city leaders are doing revive this city, then go back to Cleveland and do the exact opposite of what they have seen.

[gunloc26]

What's the demographics of Cleveland and Detroit when it comes to race??? Enough said!!!

[AmericanValues321]

They forced away our jobs with high taxes and constricting regulations. Its simple we must reestablish our MANUFACTURING BASE or all the cities in the rust belt will continue to perish. No amount of public spending...the productive jobs must return and the proud citizens of Cleveland will rebuild their town themselves.

[ipwnallnubscuzirock]

Good luck :)

[whoo689]

Michigan's governor Jennifer whats-her-face actually thinks that electric cars or electric-car batteries are some kind of wave of the future and the next big industry for cities like Detroit to bounce back... if only the FEDERAL gov't give them billions in subsidies for it. Lol

[whoo689]

Hopefully Cleveland's city gov't listens to these suggestions a lot better than Detroit's hard-nosed dumbasses.

[whoo689]

Did Drew Carey get studios for shows like "the drew carey show" to quietly agree to base it in Cleveland, or did he have to kind of goad them to it? Do most directors and/or tv show studios agree to a main character's setting recommendations easily?

[MrPloppy1]

Local Cleveland news has given this up coming series some fair coverage.

Can'y wait to see the rest.

Oh look, it's Dennis "the Menace" Kucinich

XD

Wonder if Drew will mention the best part of growing up in NE Ohio. . .

watch?v=zR4nXinhPTk

[Vlaxitov]

No offense, but It's a great thing when people leave a city over governence failure. It's one of the only things the general public has left to let politicians know that there actually can be consequences for their failings.

[huttwigley]

@ Vlaxitov You are correct! It's called "Voting With Your Legs"!

[ls1z28chris]

@Vlaxitov

The problem is that such "statements" probably won't cause a turn around for the city. What will happen is that all the smart, capable, educated citizens will leave. The people left behind, the ignorant, lazy, and government supported, will be the pool from which the new elected representatives will be selected. It is a downward spiral.

[MickBoom]

Thats EXACTLY whats left in Cleveland. And with a populace that is apathetic as long as they get their government checks, the corrupt city council, officials, school board, etc. have free reign to whatever they feel like with impunity. Who would WANT to do business there?

I used to work in Cleveland and am very glad not to have to go there much anymore. Unfortunately members of my family still do.

[vonPeterhof]

@Vlaxitov

I agree with Is1z28chris.

Also, not everyone grows up dreaming to spend the rest of their life in their hometown, but it is really sad when people have to get rid of their property, uproot their families and move to a place they have no connection to, just because a bunch of thugs and crooks ruined their hometown against their will. This has happened to me thrice as I was groing up and it was pretty traumatic. I would only recommend "voting with the feet" as a last resort measure.

[ls1z28chris]

I agree. Ultimately someone has to make a decision as to what is best for their family. Sometimes that leads to the painful decision to leave home. My parents did it when I was 3/4 when they left New Orleans when the oil industry there crashed. Now I'm 26 and am aching to get back down there.

[ls1z28chris]

This is already happening in some places. Communities in Atlanta, at least before the downturn, were rapidly gentrifying. I know it is a famous cause of the left to complain about gentrification, but my opinion is "screw those poor people." Why should we cede our big cities to bands of welfare queens and gangbangers?

[ancjr]

City governments often counter this by incorporation of suburbs.

[djben1977]

Clevelander here, no offense taken. I totally agree.

[fishsama999]

I'm from Cincinnati. Sure we have a friendly rivalry with Cleveland in sports, but in many ways, we're not far off from Cleveland in terms of economic and social problems (by my estimation).

I hope both our cities can rise above all this with the principles of maximum free markets and less government, so I'm glad to have Drew Carey as an Ohioan.

Part of the reason why I subscribed to this channel in the first place.

[RightWingTV]

Whatever is happening in Cleveland, I hope it involves limited government and maximim free markets.

[GOPsithlord]

As fmr NE OH resident who grew up in a house of Clevelanders, I sincerely hope the city is paying attention to their solutions.

[Darkwizzrobe]

Nice I hope to see Reasons insights and rational for what should be done with Cleveland. This looks to be a fun and interesting piece from reason tv

[XCritonX]

The only way to save Cleveland is to teach Cleveland how to save itself.

[yougiberishtube]

5 stars

[Dpaladinx]

Ummmm...Detroit is way worse. In fact, Detroit is heading to the direction of being a crapsack city where criminal syndicates rule the city.

[chris3443]

Only cutting taxes and shrinking government spending will any part of the countrty be saved.

[mwangolatrue]

You see I agree with you, but we need to give more specific information to attract converts

[chris3443]

@mwangolatrue I agree with you too -- but at the same time, I don't have time to write a book on each video. What I've chosen to do is express my opinion as loudly and clearly as possible when I don't have time for more, and hopefully others will do the same, showing that this point of view is more mainstream and more rational than many think. Cheers!

[hagbard72]

Were's the HD version??

[jsh78mang]

Great video and great thing Drew is doing trying to fix his home town. Now if other celebrities did the same thing??? HMMM.