hey does anyone know what this song is called? i love the drums in it. and btw, did anyone else notice that they spoke japanese in the end of the song? lol go figure, a video with korean martial arts with a japanese song playing in the background. i don't mean to insult anyone, its just my master always has a.... distaste... for japanese people lol
I forget the name of the song, but yes it is Japanese. I can understand your master's dislike, having read a bit on the history of the two cultures. The issues are many and long standing. You'll see evidence of that bitterness (on both sides) on many sword videos. My suggestion, ignore it all and just train.
yeah thats what i do. i don't know if i said this but i'm filipino, chinese, and japanese... so culture doesn't influence me... just the people... but you are right bonny...
How basic do you want to get? Start with definitions. "kumdo" simply means "sword way" that could cover just about anything to do with a sword. But I think you're probably thinking of kumdo as the armoured, sparring sport (virtually identical to kendo). Haidong Gumdo has some basic similarities to kumdo but the focus of the two are very different. I'm sorry but I don't know TKD or TSD so I can remark on the parallels.
I would have to say that is true. Kumdo was said to be a word in korean for kendo. But i would argue that the art it self, as in the art of the sword went something like this. China, Korea, then Japan. I believe origins is of little importance. I fancy the idea that Koreans took techniques, and so on from the Japanese and the Japanese took some from the koreans and more likely than not refined the techniques.
If you haven't practiced one or the other, you wouldn't know but kumdo and kendo are actually very different. its true that the japanese modernized today's kendo, however the philosphies, the strategies, and the cutting methods of kumdo is different from kendo. interestingly, kumdo sword arts could be found in two old korean historical records which was written during the choson dynasty somewhere before the 1700's.
I think you're refering to Haidong Gumdo or Haedong Kumdo and you're correct. It's very different from Kendo. However Kumdo as it's popularized in Korea is virtually identical to Kendo. Of course there are many hybrid sword arts in Korea these days so it can get confusing. Now as for the history, that's a whole can of worms.
Any martial art has its usefulness as long as it is not rigid. Martial arts that insist on keeping their tradition and not embracing the new ways will risk falling behind. As a Kendo disciple, I like to incorporate other techniques from Kumdo, Escrima, European fencing, Jedi art, etc. Be formless like water.
I pratice the art of Tae Kwon Do and I can tell you we don't have predictibility. Although everyone has they own favored attacks as in every art, in tae kwon do we are taught many different forms and techniques but in compitions and sparring only few are used. But in the real world I would rather win a fight with very powerfully adapted attacks that only vary slightly than win with fancy ever changing moves that you haven't specialized in.
I train in taekwondo and hapkido and i agree with winglee.... its a good combo.... the speed, power, and flexibility flexibility of tkd with the throws and joint locks of hapkido makes you a very balanced fighter.... and i start training in kumdo in january, so that makes me that much more excited...
kumdo and hapkido do not mix, its two very different things, its the way of the sword and the way of the body so to speak, controlling a sword takes all the wrong actions, mentality ,practices than it is with your body.
While I personaly have a general dislike of such korean hand to hand combat systems (such as Taekwondo), I believe that Haedong Kumdo (or Kumdo), like Taekwondo, have there usefull practices and applications (combined with other art or system forms or "fundamentaled" in to actual combat). I say in the end, any defined disposition or proclivity to any marticular pattern or style/art/system will end up breeding weakness and predictability.
you could have just said that you agree with bruce lee philosophy of having no style and just expressing yourself through the movements of your body weather those movements would be any style based. I mean your body has to learn technique because you cannot express something you have never known thats just ridiculous claim so i believe you have to reconsider your words or attitude towards any or all of the martial arts styles.
Like many of the Korean Martial arts; I believe that this swordmen stly is often over looked and underestimated. I personal like it and feel that it mingles well with many other Asain and Eurpean sword/fencing styles.
Hehe. I wud like to know if there are any Haedong Kumdo instructors in the UK(england preferably) as i would like to learn sword fighting and keep to my korean Martial Arts train ing (i train in Taekwondo for unarmed combat). Any help will be appreciated.
I just started haidong Gumdo like a week ago at my new Tae Kwon Do Dojo. I've been doing Tae Kwon Do for almost two years now and its hard for my to adapt to the diffrent foot work of Haidong Gumdo.
im a haidong kumdo student and i can with now ego say that the originally used by kumdo masters were of there own design and made in korea, it later migrated to japan, where the up and coming japanese warriors and swordsmiths made the katana, the much better and revised version of its korean predesessor
Because HDGD is based on gi-cheon, which is about 1,500 years old, just as the techniques in kendo (ajapnese fencing) are old, but are based on even older methods. Gi-cheon to haedong gumdo.
For example, the crossed-wrist meditation we do in gumdo is at least 1,000 years old, but was known as 'gi-cheon' fr most of that time. Does that make it any less Korean and any less valid?
Seems that some of the kendo crowd can't handle the fact that Koreans did have a sword art back in the 14400's, even if that sword art has changed in the time since then- just like Kendo has changed.
Pity. So much for the Japanese martial art that is based on humility and respect. No wonder I do haedong kumdo. I don't have to worry about history because you kendo guys will think it's made up anyway.
EasternKnight, little blunt but I agree with you that historically it's generally accepted that sword making technology immigrated west to east through most of asia. Once there the Japanese added their own refinement to the process.
I don't put stock in the romanticized western view of the japanese sword. However, I argue that the modern single edged saber that we think of today is japanese, with roots stemming from Korean and Chinese predecessors.
Camua, I don't agree with your description of "flashy". One could argue that Iaido from a battlefield application standpoint would prove too serene and direct to prove effective against multiple opponents.
The purpose of the two arts are so different as to make a comparison useless. They both utilize swords true, but most of the similarities end there.
you guys don't know enough about Korean Swords to judge The Rai Ha Sword guild of Japan immigrated from Korea during the Fall of Koryo and the beggining of Neo-Confucism of the Joseon Dynasty Iron,Sword-crafting/metal working was introduced to Japan from Korea during the 3K period
I agree with bonnymab, even though the koreans kinda copied the Katana, they still don't have the kind of technology and craftsmanship like that of the Japanese in creating or forging a shinken katana, and I also see a difference with the way they hanldle the sword, which is more "flashy" than Iaido. The Japanese style is more serene and direct.
The old guy is Grand Master Kim, my Kumdo teacher, ive seen him cutting clean through water filled vases! There will be videos slowly appearing on my YouTube page of Grand Master Kim soon
A Korean uses a Japanese sword why? I cannot deceive a Japanese even if I can deceive European and American people. Korea does not have a Japanese sword
For starters the Haidong Gumdo sword is not strictly japanese. It is a heavier blade and not as curved as the japanese version. Korean jingums typically don't have a blood groove like most japanese swords (of course there are exceptions). Why uses it? Well it's an excellent design. I would think the Japanese would be proud that others have recognized that and have adopted it for their use. C'mon give yourself a pat on the back *pat, pat*
It's Flashy..but not practical in combat...some of it is, but it looks like Japanese Wushu or somthing of the sort.
LordKaseem 2 years ago 4
If it's supposed to be a unique Korean sword form why is he using a Japanese sword?
lionhartpld 2 years ago 23
at 1.00 its cut prior to sword test
ceekay96 3 years ago
Cool video, I saw alot of shimsum gumbap in there. Does anyone know the name of the Master shown from 2:13 on?
firebat71 3 years ago
god i can't wait till i start training in kumdo.
hey does anyone know what this song is called? i love the drums in it. and btw, did anyone else notice that they spoke japanese in the end of the song? lol go figure, a video with korean martial arts with a japanese song playing in the background. i don't mean to insult anyone, its just my master always has a.... distaste... for japanese people lol
chitownazn90 3 years ago
I forget the name of the song, but yes it is Japanese. I can understand your master's dislike, having read a bit on the history of the two cultures. The issues are many and long standing. You'll see evidence of that bitterness (on both sides) on many sword videos. My suggestion, ignore it all and just train.
bonnymab 3 years ago
yeah thats what i do. i don't know if i said this but i'm filipino, chinese, and japanese... so culture doesn't influence me... just the people... but you are right bonny...
chitownazn90 3 years ago
WOW!!!! I was impressed with the old man doing that!
Also.. I saw a Haedong kumdo demonstration here in LA and laughed, but the short spar/demo session on this video was awesome. GJ!
benelliman 3 years ago
wait are haidong gumdo and kumdo the same basic thing like Taekwondo and Tung su do???
Waboombangsnap 3 years ago
How basic do you want to get? Start with definitions. "kumdo" simply means "sword way" that could cover just about anything to do with a sword. But I think you're probably thinking of kumdo as the armoured, sparring sport (virtually identical to kendo). Haidong Gumdo has some basic similarities to kumdo but the focus of the two are very different. I'm sorry but I don't know TKD or TSD so I can remark on the parallels.
bonnymab 3 years ago
nice cuts.... and the kids really have a lot of spirit in what there doing
daCast9 3 years ago
what sword is that? ive been seeing that sword alot in haedong kumdo videos.so jsut wondering.
Teh1show 3 years ago
I don't want to start another controversial topic, but what's your take on Kendo vs. Kumdo? Who's the oldest?
aurumvore 4 years ago
Kendo. Not to say Korea didn't have early sword martial arts, but strictly speaking kendo came before kumdo as its known today.
Algrensan 4 years ago 5
I would have to say that is true. Kumdo was said to be a word in korean for kendo. But i would argue that the art it self, as in the art of the sword went something like this. China, Korea, then Japan. I believe origins is of little importance. I fancy the idea that Koreans took techniques, and so on from the Japanese and the Japanese took some from the koreans and more likely than not refined the techniques.
LemonLifepro 3 years ago
If you haven't practiced one or the other, you wouldn't know but kumdo and kendo are actually very different. its true that the japanese modernized today's kendo, however the philosphies, the strategies, and the cutting methods of kumdo is different from kendo. interestingly, kumdo sword arts could be found in two old korean historical records which was written during the choson dynasty somewhere before the 1700's.
avgkrnboy 3 years ago
I think you're refering to Haidong Gumdo or Haedong Kumdo and you're correct. It's very different from Kendo. However Kumdo as it's popularized in Korea is virtually identical to Kendo. Of course there are many hybrid sword arts in Korea these days so it can get confusing. Now as for the history, that's a whole can of worms.
bonnymab 3 years ago
Any martial art has its usefulness as long as it is not rigid. Martial arts that insist on keeping their tradition and not embracing the new ways will risk falling behind. As a Kendo disciple, I like to incorporate other techniques from Kumdo, Escrima, European fencing, Jedi art, etc. Be formless like water.
aurumvore 4 years ago 3
Ofudaturtle (below me)
I pratice the art of Tae Kwon Do and I can tell you we don't have predictibility. Although everyone has they own favored attacks as in every art, in tae kwon do we are taught many different forms and techniques but in compitions and sparring only few are used. But in the real world I would rather win a fight with very powerfully adapted attacks that only vary slightly than win with fancy ever changing moves that you haven't specialized in.
SamuraiDarkness 4 years ago
You have that right I,m take Kum Do right now and I plan on taken Hap Ki Do also would that be good 2gether????
Ninja21314 4 years ago
i'd go with taekwondo and hapkido, it'd make a good mixture lol
winglee921 4 years ago
I train in taekwondo and hapkido and i agree with winglee.... its a good combo.... the speed, power, and flexibility flexibility of tkd with the throws and joint locks of hapkido makes you a very balanced fighter.... and i start training in kumdo in january, so that makes me that much more excited...
chitownazn90 3 years ago
kumdo and hapkido do not mix, its two very different things, its the way of the sword and the way of the body so to speak, controlling a sword takes all the wrong actions, mentality ,practices than it is with your body.
kffaner 3 years ago
While I personaly have a general dislike of such korean hand to hand combat systems (such as Taekwondo), I believe that Haedong Kumdo (or Kumdo), like Taekwondo, have there usefull practices and applications (combined with other art or system forms or "fundamentaled" in to actual combat). I say in the end, any defined disposition or proclivity to any marticular pattern or style/art/system will end up breeding weakness and predictability.
ofudaturtle 4 years ago
you could have just said that you agree with bruce lee philosophy of having no style and just expressing yourself through the movements of your body weather those movements would be any style based. I mean your body has to learn technique because you cannot express something you have never known thats just ridiculous claim so i believe you have to reconsider your words or attitude towards any or all of the martial arts styles.
kffaner 3 years ago
Like many of the Korean Martial arts; I believe that this swordmen stly is often over looked and underestimated. I personal like it and feel that it mingles well with many other Asain and Eurpean sword/fencing styles.
ofudaturtle 4 years ago
DAMN those masters are insane
that was off the hook
CaelSeraphim 4 years ago
The cutting at the end is amazing im 6 months of getting my Black Belt in Hapkido and when I get it my instructor will teach me Kumdo can't wait
JNR007 4 years ago
Hehe. I wud like to know if there are any Haedong Kumdo instructors in the UK(england preferably) as i would like to learn sword fighting and keep to my korean Martial Arts train ing (i train in Taekwondo for unarmed combat). Any help will be appreciated.
TKD960 4 years ago
Yes there are. But I can't think of any at the moment. Try sending your questions UK Haidong Gumdo Association. I'll mail you the address.
bonnymab 4 years ago
Yes, I'd direct you to the US Haidong Gumdo website but it's down at the moment. Which part of the US were looking to find an instructor?
bonnymab 5 years ago
Are there any Gumdo instructors in the U.S.? I've googled a bit but cannot seem to find any.
thehymner 5 years ago
I just started haidong Gumdo like a week ago at my new Tae Kwon Do Dojo. I've been doing Tae Kwon Do for almost two years now and its hard for my to adapt to the diffrent foot work of Haidong Gumdo.
Caw14 5 years ago
im a haidong kumdo student and i can with now ego say that the originally used by kumdo masters were of there own design and made in korea, it later migrated to japan, where the up and coming japanese warriors and swordsmiths made the katana, the much better and revised version of its korean predesessor
tkdazndude051 5 years ago
Kumdo isn't even 100 years old so how is that possible?
mackdan7 4 years ago
Because HDGD is based on gi-cheon, which is about 1,500 years old, just as the techniques in kendo (ajapnese fencing) are old, but are based on even older methods. Gi-cheon to haedong gumdo.
For example, the crossed-wrist meditation we do in gumdo is at least 1,000 years old, but was known as 'gi-cheon' fr most of that time. Does that make it any less Korean and any less valid?
Ilporko 4 years ago
Hmm... Minus four points...
Seems that some of the kendo crowd can't handle the fact that Koreans did have a sword art back in the 14400's, even if that sword art has changed in the time since then- just like Kendo has changed.
Pity. So much for the Japanese martial art that is based on humility and respect. No wonder I do haedong kumdo. I don't have to worry about history because you kendo guys will think it's made up anyway.
Ilporko 2 years ago
what date you referring to?
LemonLifepro 3 years ago
EasternKnight, little blunt but I agree with you that historically it's generally accepted that sword making technology immigrated west to east through most of asia. Once there the Japanese added their own refinement to the process.
I don't put stock in the romanticized western view of the japanese sword. However, I argue that the modern single edged saber that we think of today is japanese, with roots stemming from Korean and Chinese predecessors.
bonnymab 5 years ago
Camua, I don't agree with your description of "flashy". One could argue that Iaido from a battlefield application standpoint would prove too serene and direct to prove effective against multiple opponents.
The purpose of the two arts are so different as to make a comparison useless. They both utilize swords true, but most of the similarities end there.
bonnymab 5 years ago
you guys don't know enough about Korean Swords to judge The Rai Ha Sword guild of Japan immigrated from Korea during the Fall of Koryo and the beggining of Neo-Confucism of the Joseon Dynasty Iron,Sword-crafting/metal working was introduced to Japan from Korea during the 3K period
EasternKnight 5 years ago
Hi
Im a Hadekumdo Student from the uk and would like to thank you for making this video.
neilhurd 5 years ago
I agree with bonnymab, even though the koreans kinda copied the Katana, they still don't have the kind of technology and craftsmanship like that of the Japanese in creating or forging a shinken katana, and I also see a difference with the way they hanldle the sword, which is more "flashy" than Iaido. The Japanese style is more serene and direct.
Camua 5 years ago
man, the old guy was damn good
iHateSally 5 years ago
The old guy is Grand Master Kim, my Kumdo teacher, ive seen him cutting clean through water filled vases! There will be videos slowly appearing on my YouTube page of Grand Master Kim soon
craigwalsh26 5 years ago
A Korean uses a Japanese sword why? I cannot deceive a Japanese even if I can deceive European and American people. Korea does not have a Japanese sword
taitei96 5 years ago 35
For starters the Haidong Gumdo sword is not strictly japanese. It is a heavier blade and not as curved as the japanese version. Korean jingums typically don't have a blood groove like most japanese swords (of course there are exceptions). Why uses it? Well it's an excellent design. I would think the Japanese would be proud that others have recognized that and have adopted it for their use. C'mon give yourself a pat on the back *pat, pat*
bonnymab 5 years ago
historicaly, they adopted the katana
MuMuLi 5 years ago 3