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  • I love all the various comments from the voice pedagogues. While some of them, individually, sound more or less sane, when taken together they produce an outright hilarious effect. And years ago I heard Alan Jay Lerner try to sing at one Of Dominic Dunn's parties and he had no voice and couldn't carry a tune in a dump-truck. He tried to sing a duet of "How to handle a woman" with Kitty Carlisle. She was a pro but he was a train wreck. Wanted to leave the room but was transfixed.

  • @Figaro48 AGREED!!!

    

  • Just beautiful. Thanks 1 million for posting.

  • Lets agree to disagree. One thing we do agree on is the quality of Ancona's voice, and that of many other that you mention. I to am a huge fan of "the old way". So lets not split hairs, and just agree on the pleasure it is to listen to these great masters of yesteryear.

  • @fuzzie1000 You cannot disagree with facts. Sorry.

  • Lets agree to disagree. One thing we do agree on is the quality of Ancona's voice, and that of many other that you mention. I to am a huge fan of "the old way". So lets not split hairs, and just agree on the pleasure it is to listen to these great masters of yesteryear.

  • Here is a voice that reaches across the years and embraces the listener with warm, musical eloquence. Yes, this is exactly what "balanced" production should mean, and only rarely means in today's world.

  • What a bright voice

  • Magnifique, il me rappelle Mattia Battistini.

    Ma version préféré de cet air est celle de Carlo Tagliabue.

  • One of the qualities we hear in Ancona and these other great baritones -- along with their myriad other virtues:) -- is a roundness and fullness of sound. Even the lyric baritones, like de Luca and Battistini, have it.  And it sounds natural, not beefed-up -- unlike some (if not most) of our contemporary singers in this category --

  • And this is from the falsetto coordination into the sound. It gives the roundness and beauty.

  • It has absolutely nothing to do vith falsetto.... Its about b reath control, and the fact that they only hd to combat orchestras half as loud as they are today. and the thatres where smaller and this and that... going on, and on!

  • @fuzzie1000 Wrong. You cannot control breath in any other way, but through the registration and proper breathing. And the registration has to do with approximation of the folds and the amount of chest or falsetto used, subglottal pressure etc. Secondly, there were HUGE arenas that they sang in long ago. Actors used to fill amphitheaters. And the enormous orchestration demanded power. In fact, Battistini was said to be so loud it could hurt you. Same with Tamagno and La Blanche.

  • @MrCafiero So the horn that these great behemoth singers sang in, really dampened their sound down a ton right? It seems like all of the voices that I've heard from these old recording techniques, sound small with the exception of Titta Ruffo. Is there any way to Really hear what their voices sounded like?

  • @seektheforce It didn't even begin to capture the full sound. Ponselle said the same about Caruso's voice and her own. What you hear was just a fraction of the sound. You need really good equipment including really great speakers that can specifically handle the voice. I find horn speakers like the Klipsch to work best.

  • @MrCafiero - Alan Jay Lerner, the lyricist & librettist, made the observation that singers could indeed fill theatres in his era. However, industrial & urban noise has damaged most people's hearing to the degree that we do not hear the singers as well as audiences did in earlier times. It's just food for thought. Of course, I'm not denying that singers of The Golden Age ( and there really was one) had a musical & vocal culture that only exists in fragments today.

  • @legatofancier I cannot say I agree with her. People's hearing is not damaged. It is easily testable. People that heard the great singers and also heard the singers of today could tell the difference. Tebaldi herself noted a huge difference. As have many others.

  • @MrCafiero - Alan Jay Lerner (lyricist & librettist of MY FAIR LADY & CAMELOT, among others) was a "him". Joking aside, I wonder if there are any reliable test statistics for people's hearing in the Western Hemisphere prior to World War I (or up until 1925, with the advent of electric recording). Of course, I've talked to older singers who also observed that there was a fuller, easier production of voices by singers in th early to mid 20th Century. There's no contest on that point.

  • A Perfect Voice. Beautiful.

  • You are welcome. I do not have any Lisitsian, but I have heard him and he is great.

  • Thank you MrCafiero for all the excellent recent clips you have posted! I really love these baritones you have clips of and I look forward to more. Ancona and Tagliabue are sadly neglected these days but IMO they were both among the best baritones to have recorded. (Do you have any Lisitsian BTW - another favourite of mine?)

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