"There was not a single bit of good news in the Bureau of Labor report. And watching President Obama this morning try to explain this mess and offer solutions to our predicament was painful. He was reduced to listing as one of his policy recommendations streamlining the patent process. That underscores just how intellectually exhausted the Obama presidency is. They have no more arrows left in their public policy quiver." --Peter Wehner, Commentary, July 9, 2011
The simple reason government spending fails to end recessions is that Congress does not have a vault of money waiting to be distributed. Every dollar Congress “injects” into the economy must first be taxed or borrowed out of the economy. No new income, and therefore no new demand, is created. They are merely redistributed from one group of people to another. Congress cannot create new purchasing power out of thin air.
This is no longer a theoretical exercise. The idea that increased deficit spending can cure recessions has been tested, and it has failed. If growing the economy were as simple as expanding government spending and deficits, then Italy, France, and Germany would be the global economic kings. And there would be no reason to stop at $787 billion: Congress could guarantee unlimited prosperity by endlessly borrowing and spending trillions of dollars.
$787 billion (actually $862 B) “stimulus” a flop. In a January report, White House economists predicted the bill would create (not merely save) 3.3 million jobs. Since then, 2.8 million jobs have been lost, pushing unemployment toward 10 percent.
I saw the "Obamas Jobs Program a success" And had to see if this was a cruel joke! Or someone smoked too much crack. Either way, we all know that Obama is a traitor to this country, and not even a citizen. And the bastard has a job! WTF? We give all our jobs to everybody else, so I guess that's reasonable...
I saw the "Obamas Jobs Program a success" And had to see if this was a cruel joke! Or someone smoked too much crack. Either way, we all know that Obama is a traitor to this country, and not even a citizen. And the bastard has a job! WTF?
@Bestmanme08 The book Obama:Why Black America Should Have Doubts showed he knew somebody cured of being gay! And the book Ted Kennedy:The Early Years showed he got Kennedy help in 2008! Both books are great and at amazon!
He promised to Focus like a Lazer on job creation, and instead, he spent more of the American people's money on a useless big government take over of the health care industry...unbelievable. This guy didn't bring change, he brought BULLSHIT to the White House.
@3dartistguy@3dartistguy The change Obama brought to the country that was foolish enough to elect this political rookie foreclosure,homelessness,unemployment,hopelessness when Bush W was president we had jobs and homes. Obama could not keep a private business running profitable to save his ass.
3.5 million jobs is a lot of jobs, but given the amount of money spent it's probably not that impressive.
However, to assume that everyone working is involved with taking people's stuff and/or is lazy...wow. Clear biases are not the way to make your point to intelligent people.
P.S., way to insult the many dedicated government employees that keep the country running. No, I'm not one of them, but it's amazing how much we have in this country and how ungrateful people are for it.
"Heck, withough the governments you wouldnt have satelites, internet, space travel, police, fire and schools." Hardly. That the government occasionally produces something useful with the vast amount of money that it steals from citizens doesn't mean that those things couldn't have been provided (at a lower cost) by the markets. And almost all of these things ARE provided to some extent by markets, despite being at a disadvantage because they can't fund themselves through coercive taxation.
Well, they can't prove it. Their proof is to take the amount of money they spent, look at the places where they spent it (failing companies, government agencies and contractors, state and local governments), divide by the average wage at these places, and then declare that that's how many more jobs there are in the economy than there would be without the bill. Of course, this ignores both the crowding out effect,inflationary distortion,rational expectations, but that's how they "prove" it.
Some of the money was spent on tax credits. Some of the money was spent on infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc) some of which included raw materials. A lot of the money went into states budgets, so they don't go bankrupt release as many criminals, and keep the education system functioning. It didn't all go to jobs, thus your insinuation that the jobs were grossly overpaid is misleading, if not outright dishonest.
Yeah, but NONE of the money went to creating any new private sector jobs...It DID result in a loss of A LOT of private sector jobs...hence a massive rise in unemployment.
Say Goodbye to Obama, InfiniteUniverse...Stick a Fork in him, He's Done.
Well, wouldn't the tax cuts in the "Recovery Act" create private sector jobs? Even so, tax cuts won't do a whole lot of good when the average American is debt from living above their means, but now is irrationally saving a much too large portion of their pay. Moreover, the boom and bust cycle is how the economy works, regardless of what president is in office. Since the last boom was one of the highest of all time, so too was the bust. The last boom was based on nothing more than consumer debt.
I never "insinuated" that the jobs were "grossly overpaid", whatever that means. I pointed out that it was a pitifully small number of jobs "created or saved" considering the massive spending incurred.
Also, how is saving to pay off debt "irrational"?
Consumer spending rates need to increase for the economy to return to normal. Some people are saving a lot more than the recommended 10% of ones income. Until people start spending again, the economy won't rebound, if not continue to contract.
Well, my point was that even if they didn't loan it out (which, in fractional-reserve banking, causes inflation and distorts the structure of production), it would hardly be the end of the world (or the economy).
No...I justed pointed out that if it takes $393500 to "create or save" 1 job, it's not really a success. And saving isn't a problem. If people are spending less, then prices go down, which makes it a good time to invest (since prices are likely to be higher in the future, so the potential return on investment is higher). This is generally what happens in recessions, provided the government doesn't step in to prop up prices (as it's doing now).
Not all of the stimulus money was supposed create create or save money though. For example, I don't think the $250 check to working and middle class Americans counts as creating or saving jobs. There was also some money allocated STD prevention, I don't think that gets counted as saving or creating jobs either. Moreover, things like capital injections into faltering state budgets, are things the private sector cannot help with.
The ostensible purpose of the "stimulus" was that when the money was spent in whatever way, it would create jobs. Never mind that given the way it entered the economy it would tend to create a screwed-up structure of production. They're going by the Keynesian playbook, under which spending need not be productive provided that it is stimulative. This was also revealed in Obama's rhetoric about "shovel-ready" projects.
That's just the thing. Some of the money was spent on tax credits. $250 was given to each working/middle class American. Other money was spent on raw materials for infrastructure, such as raw materials for roads, bridges, and wind mills. A lot of the money went to bailing out state budgets, so schools can function properly, and inmates don't have to get released early, although many did anyway, it could have been a lot worse. Not to mention, a lot of the stimulus money hasn't been allocated yet.
We need economic growth to fuel job creation in the private sector. The government produces nothing but more paperwork for all of us.
We need an entirely new taxation system, one which does not tax income, we need a gov't that doesn't waste money the way the past two regimes have, and we need a gov't which understands that Capitalism is NOT to blame for what's happened.
Other fine jobs created and/or expanded: 'Diversity Coordinator', Obama Poster Designer, Butlers for Trial Lawyers, Limousine Drivers and Private Jet Staff for Ms. Pelosi, Barney Frank Sex Slave, Creative Blame Bush Coordinator, Czars, Czars, Czars, Michelle Obama Hoop Skirt Outfitter, Joe Biden Shoe Fumigator, and....Ellie Light.
Yeah, they forgot the jobs "saved" by the government propping up failing companies with money extorted from taxpayers or borrowed from China. How dare they!
Over the last few weeks I have seen Nick shilling for FOX news and the republicans so much that I am beginning to wonder.
A libertarian would not be such an ardent champion of the insurance industry, which has nothing to do with free markets or capitolism. Nixons plan is a crooked scam.
Your insurance provider, and thier lobby, has more to do with the loss of your liberty than you think. Tobacco? Salt? Fat? Sugar?
Your whole lifestyle is on trial no matter what system wins
Look up Tesla Motors, a car company that makes electric cars and the only manufacturer in the world that makes (powerful) electric pickups and such- the kind of cars Americans like to drive. Also one of the fastest growing car makers in the country.
Bush's bailout and Obama's stimulus barely did anything for them, but rather pumped more money into Detroit. It isn't about helping the environment. Its about helping international conglomerates who the market said should die stay in business.
A 1995 case known as Buycks Roberson v Citibank Obama and his fellow attorneys charged that Citibank was making too few loans to minorities. This caused the sub-prime mortgage crisis of 2007 2008. Obama had a part in the lawsuit that started the government on a course of FORCING lenders to give more loans to those who had poor credit. The beginning of the Fannie n Freddie fraud took place under the watch of Jim Johnson. Johnson is an adviser to Obama Jim picked Joe Biden as Os running mate.
the unemployment numbers are anywhere from 10% to 20% depending what city you reside in, and he is taking credit for creating jobs? what a smug douchebag of a president we have
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@SonnyTheWhiteDwarf "Green" jobs are almost invariably subsidized. Q: Where does subsidy money come from? A: Taxes. Every green job depends on stealing from Peter to pay Paul. If we didn't steal from Peter, he'd probably create jobs on his own by spending his own money. There may be good reasons for some green jobs: some really do help the environment. But "creating jobs" isn't a good reason, it's a sick joke.
Im sorry but this video just drips "propaganda". It is so defeatist in its tone. Its whinny. It supports unconscious knee jerk journalism. Unless we the people demand responsible government there is not much Pres Obama can do against the ruling elite class. Yes he may have been placed there by the same defacto-world government. Tearing him is not a good use of our energies. We have to create the world we want.
@takerdust Not sure which party they're supporting. They're not Democrats, by and large. They sound like Republicans nowadays, but Republicans don't act like that when they're in power. Maybe they're...
There's no such thing as government job creation. The government has no money, only the money it takes from the private sector. Every time the government extracts resources from the private sector, it destroys productive private sector jobs in favour of unproductive government jobs.
@iamacyborg Somewhat. W/O some government jobs, like firemen, police, military, sanitation, etc., many private sector jobs wouldn't exist. Kind of hard to run a restaurant if nobody empties the trash bin out back. It's when government does jobs that can be done as well by the private, or interferes with private sector job growth, that it should be faulted. The feds crossed that line sometime back in the 1970s, btw.
It's not really a straw man. The exact same arguments apply. What is fire protection? A truck full of water, some hoses? Certainly the private market can provide such a thing.
Do you honestly believe that if government didn't empty trash cans or put out fires that no private industry would see opportunity there? If the government made all cell phones you would probably believe that private industry couldn't do that either.
@AussieBostonian Re:trash. I have rental houses in areas where trash is privately contracted. There's a 50-50 chance if I don't pay the trash, the tenant won't either. He moves out, I find 6 months worth of trash piled up in the house. OK, I pay the trash. NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR doesn't pay for his trash. I can't find decent tenants because neighbor's house is a pigsty. Oddly, that doesn't happen where trash is part of the utility bill. I'm not a big fan of private trash collection.
I don't understand what you're saying. Sure, you pay for the trash and add it to rent. What does the next door neighbour have to do with it? If you're saying he throws his trash in with yours, then call the cops since he's violating your property. If the cops won't do shit about it, then that's a problem with state provisioned police services not privately provisioned garbage collection services.
didn't know waste management was run by the government. private companies will make a profit or go out of business. when Washington will just keep taking money from people if they didnt turn a proffit
Clearly, if there is a demand for garbage to be collected, then in the absence of state provisioned garbage collection there would be plenty of private companies willing to provide the service.
The same applies to firemen, police, and military, although national defence really only makes sense in the context of a state.
DSAhmed, Fair enough, but he could have handled it better. There were plenty of people offering advice, that he ignored.
Check out "DownsizingGovernment" (dotorg). It has thoroughly researched ways of saving hundreds of billions of dollars annually. Obama talked about going "line by line".
Somewhat, but he poured more sand and water in the hole.How long is the Bush did it going to fly especially when the Democratic Congress has been in charge for the last 3 years?
Mighty Joseph - Why is Obama not as bad as Bush? We are still bankrupting our country. We are still conduction an imperialist war in the Middle East. We still have FISA, the Patriot Act and the Military Commissioner Act. Quite frankly, I can discern no difference between either of them.
@themightyjoseph Dunno about that. I was kinda hoping he would slow down on the erosion of civil liberties and maybe even reverse some of that. Didn't really happen. America is still fighting a war, and you can bet Iran is next, even with Obama. Debt shot up much faster under Obama. Banks still got their bailouts and businesses were still too big to fail, even though he "hated it"
We still have warrentless wiretaps, govt still isn't transparent.
the public speaking has seen a vast improvement ;)
Bush is Bad! I am so sick of that retard mantra. Get a new slogan for your libatard retort. Is that what you are going to be saying four years from now? Probably!
im not a liberal or conservative, i am from uk and our political system is not a popularity concert like yours but if i were to vote for someone in usa then it would be ron paul
yes i will still same the same thing in 4 years time
how exactly did obama trash things? he already won a goddam nobel peace prize, he is sorting out the middle east problem and has made allies with the islamic world, he has also sent aid to hati whilst bush didnt even sort out the poverty in new orleans
Foreign Aid is a big part of Haiti's problem. Haiti's economy is based on agriculture and every year the U.N dumps hundreds of tons of free foodstuffs on it.
Lets see there are over 301 million people in this country. Over 10% of which are jobless. That is about 30 million jobless in U.S.. To be fair the jobless number was at about 5% before this so about 15 million are jobless. He "saved(not made)" ?? 2 million jobs. Survey says NOT ENOUGH MR. PRESIDENT.
OOPS forgot that the cost of which is about 8.5 trillion dollars. To only have saved about 2 million jobs is lack luster at best. this kind of fuzzy math could get you fired from MC D's never mind the Oval office.
Toaster strudels do have a certain air about them, like the commercials elude to, but they can get pretty damn messy. If you want breakfast in a flaky pastry, eat Toaster Scrambles instead.
Thats actually how the government works. War is essentially the destruction of wealth. The last time I looked, military spending took up 55% of our budget. Think of the resources we use / spend to bomb a country. On top of that, we're also doing it while paying interest. (Another way to destroy wealth without gaining anything)
Well... If you include the interest that we have to pay because of our participation in wars in the past, part of the mandatory spending is payments from past military ventures and paying for veteran benefits. The ACTUAL cost of our military is much closer to 55%. Our military spending is disproportionate to both our GDP or our population as compared to the rest of the world.
"If you include the interest that we have to pay because of our participation in wars in the past, part of the mandatory spending is payments from past military ventures and paying for veteran benefits. The ACTUAL cost..."
Why would you attack (one of) the only legitimate function the Government has?
If the govt. added another line to your paycheck called "Military Fund" like they do SS would you call that a "Trust Fund" too?
Well, I do question the legitimacy sending troops overseas without the declaration of war. I do question the legitimacy of going to war with Iraq based upon what they "might" do. The framers of the Constitution did not like the idea of one person being able to declare war. Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan attacked us. President Dwight Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex, we're overspending in ALL parts of the government.
"we're overspending in ALL parts of the government."
I agree, much of what the Government does with the Military is wasteful to the extreme. I also don't agree with many of the rules the government can supposedly enforce (like the draft).
If we had a Government that was rational and simply Military, Police, and a Court system to enforce laws...
I'm somewhat of a minimalist when it comes to our government as well. (Hence why I subscribe to a libertarian youtube page.) I only agree with protecting our borders. What happens outside of it is none of our business in my opinion. I agreed with disrupting the Al Queda training camps, but the continued occupation of a country is far beyond both our responsibility and capability.
not denying that at all. I voted for Ron Paul because I am against the destruction of wealth. "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " Dwight D Eisenhower.
Every tax dollar used to fund a war could of been held in the private hands to employ people.
Your argument breaks down to this. You don't want anyone with the title of "Authority" being able to infringe on your rights. But you also want the ability to infringe on other peoples rights YOURSELF.
Without the fear of "Authority" there to provide you with consequences to your actions. That is the only explanation to your silly notion that "Police" and "Military" are naturally "Coercive"
It's not true, they simply have the power to use "Retaliatory Force"
You don't know my position because I haven't stated it. All you know is this: I think the Military, Police, and Courts are inefficient. That's it...
This is a classic straw man argument- You've put words in my mouth and have attacked a position you've created. It's perhaps the dumbest fucking thing one could do.
I've worked for both comptrollers and Inspector General's. How are you going to tell me?
Military, Police, and Courts, are the only place a government has in a free society. If you take away those 3 areas, you're left with no Government at all.
Whats the definition of the word Government?
Can you establish a "Government" without those 3 parts (police courts military)?
Can you give me an example of a way to deal with the problems that police, military, and courts deal with that is more efficient?
Or is it just dommed to inefficient-ness with no way to ever solve those problems.
Again, you're assuming that I want to take them away. What do you know about alternative dispute resolution? What about private courts? They're already active in the United States and they do quite well. Our biggest companies don't use Public courts to handle matters between them.
Police, well we had a successful policing system well before the FBI. As a matter of fact its success was its downfall. You see it had been turned against the Unions, by property owners, and it about destroyed them.
what makes you think I'm talking about the US government when I say a "Rational Government" that only consists of those 3 things.
"What about private courts?"
I have to ask, what is necessary to enforce contracts? The threat of violence for non-compliance. That can only be done by Government (unless you're an anarchist, which you're claiming not to be)
Therfore, I must ask, what is the fundamental difference between "Public" courts, and "Private" ?
Debate isn't your forte and I think you should give it up. Have you forgotten what you chose to challenge me on?
For the sake of time, is what I said not true, are millions of dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse not found in these systems every year?
Are they not "wasteful of time"? Sure, it's subjective, but hundreds of multi-billion dollar companies think the same thing I do. That's why, at the advice of hundreds of lawyers, they turn to private entities such as mediators and private court.
lol, you can simply choose to stop responding to me if you'd like, don't try and throw an insult at me to make yourself feel better. Not my forte? You can't even decide on something to actually debate. When I try to get you to answer a simple question, you evade, and slander. I should've known talking to you would establish nothing, since you've "Worked for both comptrollers and Inspector General's"
nonetheless, i'll let you wander in discussion all you want...
"are millions of dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse not found in these systems every year?"
Such an ambiguous statement. I could take this quote and apply it to just about any private enterprise as well. Good job being careful about not saying anything at all. It's what I'd expect from a Government tool like yourself.
You can't even define what the word Government means i'll bet. You couldn't even tell me what is required to ENFORCE contracts.
do me a favor and don't post back unless you plan on actually saying something. Or stating a position on something, you're ramblings are starting to become dull and boring.
I made my assertion, you replied with an ad hominem/straw man and two more consecutive straw man arguments as a rebuttal. I will make it again: "Courts, Police, and Military are inefficient as well."
Let's have it,
Is what I said not true, are millions of dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse not found in these systems every year?
By "thugs", I assume that you are referring to the GOP. I don't share your disdain for conservatism. We need 7 constructionists on the SC. We won't get that from the dims.
That depends on what you mean by "conservative". I can get along with a conservative like Ron Paul. But neoconservatives (who have run the GOP for the last eight years) are thugs.
i like how u all shitting on obama but lets see u do a better job so shut the fuck up -_-
incas94 1 month ago
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"There was not a single bit of good news in the Bureau of Labor report. And watching President Obama this morning try to explain this mess and offer solutions to our predicament was painful. He was reduced to listing as one of his policy recommendations streamlining the patent process. That underscores just how intellectually exhausted the Obama presidency is. They have no more arrows left in their public policy quiver." --Peter Wehner, Commentary, July 9, 2011
hookalakah 6 months ago
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The simple reason government spending fails to end recessions is that Congress does not have a vault of money waiting to be distributed. Every dollar Congress “injects” into the economy must first be taxed or borrowed out of the economy. No new income, and therefore no new demand, is created. They are merely redistributed from one group of people to another. Congress cannot create new purchasing power out of thin air.
Fashionificationful 9 months ago
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This is no longer a theoretical exercise. The idea that increased deficit spending can cure recessions has been tested, and it has failed. If growing the economy were as simple as expanding government spending and deficits, then Italy, France, and Germany would be the global economic kings. And there would be no reason to stop at $787 billion: Congress could guarantee unlimited prosperity by endlessly borrowing and spending trillions of dollars.
Fashionificationful 9 months ago
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$787 billion (actually $862 B) “stimulus” a flop. In a January report, White House economists predicted the bill would create (not merely save) 3.3 million jobs. Since then, 2.8 million jobs have been lost, pushing unemployment toward 10 percent.
Fashionificationful 9 months ago
I saw the "Obamas Jobs Program a success" And had to see if this was a cruel joke! Or someone smoked too much crack. Either way, we all know that Obama is a traitor to this country, and not even a citizen. And the bastard has a job! WTF? We give all our jobs to everybody else, so I guess that's reasonable...
TheCandaceH 1 year ago
I saw the "Obamas Jobs Program a success" And had to see if this was a cruel joke! Or someone smoked too much crack. Either way, we all know that Obama is a traitor to this country, and not even a citizen. And the bastard has a job! WTF?
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Bestmanme08 1 year ago
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@Bestmanme08 The book Obama:Why Black America Should Have Doubts showed he knew somebody cured of being gay! And the book Ted Kennedy:The Early Years showed he got Kennedy help in 2008! Both books are great and at amazon!
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sethmalin 1 year ago
He promised to Focus like a Lazer on job creation, and instead, he spent more of the American people's money on a useless big government take over of the health care industry...unbelievable. This guy didn't bring change, he brought BULLSHIT to the White House.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy @3dartistguy The change Obama brought to the country that was foolish enough to elect this political rookie foreclosure,homelessness,unemployment,hopelessness when Bush W was president we had jobs and homes. Obama could not keep a private business running profitable to save his ass.
molesteer 1 year ago
My question is how can I get one of those government jobs??? I'm really good at doing absolutely nothing.
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AngelikaHansch 1 year ago
CA has 6 counties between between 20 and 30% unemployment . Is this the start of a dression? As CA goes, so goes the rest of the country.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
3.5 million jobs is a lot of jobs, but given the amount of money spent it's probably not that impressive.
However, to assume that everyone working is involved with taking people's stuff and/or is lazy...wow. Clear biases are not the way to make your point to intelligent people.
P.S., way to insult the many dedicated government employees that keep the country running. No, I'm not one of them, but it's amazing how much we have in this country and how ungrateful people are for it.
GrymEdm 1 year ago
5 stars and favored
copperwaxwing 1 year ago
Oba, make us all feel good, tell the truth just for once. Just a little one.
TheImpeacher 1 year ago
K man Bush got is into this mess, he lowered taxes and spent like a democrat. You should've gotten that feeling when bush was on.
alecaf89 1 year ago
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"Heck, withough the governments you wouldnt have satelites, internet, space travel, police, fire and schools." Hardly. That the government occasionally produces something useful with the vast amount of money that it steals from citizens doesn't mean that those things couldn't have been provided (at a lower cost) by the markets. And almost all of these things ARE provided to some extent by markets, despite being at a disadvantage because they can't fund themselves through coercive taxation.
WAMill3R 1 year ago
simple,... this video is a masterpiece..5 star
LATINO9USA 2 years ago 2
Im a little dissapointed in Obama but i will forever be certain that he is doing a better Job than Mccain/Palin could have ever done.
alecaf89 2 years ago
Let's forget about AMTRAK, which loses a plane ticket per passenger, and look into what Govt did to it's last few rail projects.
The Government destroyed the rails, where do you think the demand for Trucking came from? They ended fucking that up too...
HBSchool 2 years ago
lol 4 poptarts
natdavi 2 years ago
Also, note the wording: "2 million working who would otherwise be unemployed".
Translates to "we created OR saved 2 million jobs, a non-falsifiable claim that we can therefore state without technically 'lying'".
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
Sure you can, ask them to PROVE it.
HBSchool 2 years ago
Well, they can't prove it. Their proof is to take the amount of money they spent, look at the places where they spent it (failing companies, government agencies and contractors, state and local governments), divide by the average wage at these places, and then declare that that's how many more jobs there are in the economy than there would be without the bill. Of course, this ignores both the crowding out effect,inflationary distortion,rational expectations, but that's how they "prove" it.
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
Some of the money was spent on tax credits. Some of the money was spent on infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc) some of which included raw materials. A lot of the money went into states budgets, so they don't go bankrupt release as many criminals, and keep the education system functioning. It didn't all go to jobs, thus your insinuation that the jobs were grossly overpaid is misleading, if not outright dishonest.
InfiniteUniverse88 2 years ago
Yeah, but NONE of the money went to creating any new private sector jobs...It DID result in a loss of A LOT of private sector jobs...hence a massive rise in unemployment.
Say Goodbye to Obama, InfiniteUniverse...Stick a Fork in him, He's Done.
captaindiesalot 2 years ago
Well, wouldn't the tax cuts in the "Recovery Act" create private sector jobs? Even so, tax cuts won't do a whole lot of good when the average American is debt from living above their means, but now is irrationally saving a much too large portion of their pay. Moreover, the boom and bust cycle is how the economy works, regardless of what president is in office. Since the last boom was one of the highest of all time, so too was the bust. The last boom was based on nothing more than consumer debt.
InfiniteUniverse88 2 years ago
I never "insinuated" that the jobs were "grossly overpaid", whatever that means. I pointed out that it was a pitifully small number of jobs "created or saved" considering the massive spending incurred.
Also, how is saving to pay off debt "irrational"?
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
Consumer spending rates need to increase for the economy to return to normal. Some people are saving a lot more than the recommended 10% of ones income. Until people start spending again, the economy won't rebound, if not continue to contract.
InfiniteUniverse88 2 years ago
You're right it will contract, but would you care to tell us what will be lost, and what kind of industries will replace it?
Three guesses:
A. Productive
B. Unproductive
C. None of the above.
HBSchool 2 years ago
Well, my point was that even if they didn't loan it out (which, in fractional-reserve banking, causes inflation and distorts the structure of production), it would hardly be the end of the world (or the economy).
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
When you said "($787billion)/(2,000,000jobs)= $393500/job." you implied that was the average pay of Americans funded by the stimulus.
InfiniteUniverse88 2 years ago
No...I justed pointed out that if it takes $393500 to "create or save" 1 job, it's not really a success. And saving isn't a problem. If people are spending less, then prices go down, which makes it a good time to invest (since prices are likely to be higher in the future, so the potential return on investment is higher). This is generally what happens in recessions, provided the government doesn't step in to prop up prices (as it's doing now).
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
You're forgetting about how Finance, for the majority of us, works. Does that clown think banks just sit on the money you put into it?
They loan it... His money isn't idle sitting in a bank.
HBSchool 2 years ago
Not all of the stimulus money was supposed create create or save money though. For example, I don't think the $250 check to working and middle class Americans counts as creating or saving jobs. There was also some money allocated STD prevention, I don't think that gets counted as saving or creating jobs either. Moreover, things like capital injections into faltering state budgets, are things the private sector cannot help with.
InfiniteUniverse88 2 years ago
The ostensible purpose of the "stimulus" was that when the money was spent in whatever way, it would create jobs. Never mind that given the way it entered the economy it would tend to create a screwed-up structure of production. They're going by the Keynesian playbook, under which spending need not be productive provided that it is stimulative. This was also revealed in Obama's rhetoric about "shovel-ready" projects.
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
1/3 of the stimulus was tax cuts.
InfiniteUniverse88 2 years ago
@InfiniteUniverse88
Hey how do I get one of those 393,500 dollar jobs????...LOL
governmentslaves 2 years ago
That's just the thing. Some of the money was spent on tax credits. $250 was given to each working/middle class American. Other money was spent on raw materials for infrastructure, such as raw materials for roads, bridges, and wind mills. A lot of the money went to bailing out state budgets, so schools can function properly, and inmates don't have to get released early, although many did anyway, it could have been a lot worse. Not to mention, a lot of the stimulus money hasn't been allocated yet.
InfiniteUniverse88 2 years ago
Infinite:
We need economic growth to fuel job creation in the private sector. The government produces nothing but more paperwork for all of us.
We need an entirely new taxation system, one which does not tax income, we need a gov't that doesn't waste money the way the past two regimes have, and we need a gov't which understands that Capitalism is NOT to blame for what's happened.
captaindiesalot 2 years ago
Like I said before:
($787billion)/(2,000,000jobs)= $393500/job. Or roughly 10-15years of the average American's wage income.
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
OK, so it's more like 11 years of the average wage income. It was late, I was tired, and I didn't have my calculator handy.
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
When history is written, the shocking revelation will be what his I.Q. is.. and how performed in school.
jbjumpback 2 years ago
Other fine jobs created and/or expanded: 'Diversity Coordinator', Obama Poster Designer, Butlers for Trial Lawyers, Limousine Drivers and Private Jet Staff for Ms. Pelosi, Barney Frank Sex Slave, Creative Blame Bush Coordinator, Czars, Czars, Czars, Michelle Obama Hoop Skirt Outfitter, Joe Biden Shoe Fumigator, and....Ellie Light.
haypenny 2 years ago 2
lmao thats fucking hilarious. too true
johncrazy8s 2 years ago
The video left out illegal war human killers and now-approved by the Supreme Court... more torturers. The USA is hiring more of those.
enjoythemusic1 2 years ago
Bankruptcy attorney, repo man, and government worker, are a small fraction of the jobs Obama created. Nice try at a smear campaign though.
InfiniteUniverse88 2 years ago
Yeah, they forgot the jobs "saved" by the government propping up failing companies with money extorted from taxpayers or borrowed from China. How dare they!
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
Over the last few weeks I have seen Nick shilling for FOX news and the republicans so much that I am beginning to wonder.
A libertarian would not be such an ardent champion of the insurance industry, which has nothing to do with free markets or capitolism. Nixons plan is a crooked scam.
Your insurance provider, and thier lobby, has more to do with the loss of your liberty than you think. Tobacco? Salt? Fat? Sugar?
Your whole lifestyle is on trial no matter what system wins
TuneSlingr2 2 years ago
Look up Tesla Motors, a car company that makes electric cars and the only manufacturer in the world that makes (powerful) electric pickups and such- the kind of cars Americans like to drive. Also one of the fastest growing car makers in the country.
Bush's bailout and Obama's stimulus barely did anything for them, but rather pumped more money into Detroit. It isn't about helping the environment. Its about helping international conglomerates who the market said should die stay in business.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
WHY COMMENT? THE VID SAYS IT ALL! FUCKING AWESOME (I just hd to add that for effect)
plasticjesus108 2 years ago
A 1995 case known as Buycks Roberson v Citibank Obama and his fellow attorneys charged that Citibank was making too few loans to minorities. This caused the sub-prime mortgage crisis of 2007 2008. Obama had a part in the lawsuit that started the government on a course of FORCING lenders to give more loans to those who had poor credit. The beginning of the Fannie n Freddie fraud took place under the watch of Jim Johnson. Johnson is an adviser to Obama Jim picked Joe Biden as Os running mate.
sixletter 2 years ago
Thanks to the retards at the Hannity forums, I had the displeasure of watching this lame video.
Raziaar 2 years ago
1.5 job creation = 2010 census workers
Romulus2009 2 years ago
ha ha ha ha ah ah ahha ha ha aha ha ha aha ahhahhha hahahhha ha ha funny
newBelGum 2 years ago
America...down for the count.
kthorn612 2 years ago
the crisis on deregulated wallstreet? obama's fault.
jobs lost and homes foreclosed? obama's fault.
two unwinnable wars to fight? obama's fault.
the deficit? obama's fault.
it's all so simple. isn't it?
cheerfuldesperado 2 years ago
You are right concerning bush and obammy. Gargabe in, garbage out.
okefixico 2 years ago
the unemployment numbers are anywhere from 10% to 20% depending what city you reside in, and he is taking credit for creating jobs? what a smug douchebag of a president we have
BUDDAWG2004 2 years ago 3
lol
buckodcelt 2 years ago
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DorjePawo 2 years ago
Nice
RuflessRecords 2 years ago
Reinstate the draft, find a war to fight, and boom unemployment gone.
Veerwhil 2 years ago
@Veerwhil
Are you being a smart ass?
HBSchool 2 years ago
@Veerwhil yeah, send the brain washed orcs to die for "freedom", and "democracy", lol.
okvideos5 2 years ago
watch?v=9qixcv8PT0U
Govhater2 2 years ago
@SonnyTheWhiteDwarf "Green" jobs are almost invariably subsidized. Q: Where does subsidy money come from? A: Taxes. Every green job depends on stealing from Peter to pay Paul. If we didn't steal from Peter, he'd probably create jobs on his own by spending his own money. There may be good reasons for some green jobs: some really do help the environment. But "creating jobs" isn't a good reason, it's a sick joke.
OrionCA1 2 years ago 3
Obama shows all the signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Dagney77 2 years ago
Im sorry but this video just drips "propaganda". It is so defeatist in its tone. Its whinny. It supports unconscious knee jerk journalism. Unless we the people demand responsible government there is not much Pres Obama can do against the ruling elite class. Yes he may have been placed there by the same defacto-world government. Tearing him is not a good use of our energies. We have to create the world we want.
mrscot 2 years ago
Where is the money and where are the jobs? Just because you say new jobs were created it is not supported by the facts. So get real
09090985 2 years ago
that government worker was about 125 lbs underweight
jeffmagic32 2 years ago
Now that is LOL and the truth!
irisojects 2 years ago
The Obama administration's campaign slogan for 2012 should be "Because I Said So".
Thisisnotmyrealname8 2 years ago 4
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Thisisnotmyrealname8 2 years ago
Meh, I think Obama's policies are going to trash our economy horribly like FDR's did..
but this video was way partisan.
takerdust 2 years ago 2
@takerdust Not sure which party they're supporting. They're not Democrats, by and large. They sound like Republicans nowadays, but Republicans don't act like that when they're in power. Maybe they're...
Repo Men 2012. Take Back The Country!
eksortso 2 years ago
Politicians should get a job. Go do us all a favor, Obama, and go flip some burgers.
Nielsio 2 years ago 6
@Nielsio
what an ignorant attempt at being funny
vinoberg 2 years ago
I'm dead serious.
Nielsio 2 years ago
There's no such thing as government job creation. The government has no money, only the money it takes from the private sector. Every time the government extracts resources from the private sector, it destroys productive private sector jobs in favour of unproductive government jobs.
iamacyborg 2 years ago 7
@iamacyborg Somewhat. W/O some government jobs, like firemen, police, military, sanitation, etc., many private sector jobs wouldn't exist. Kind of hard to run a restaurant if nobody empties the trash bin out back. It's when government does jobs that can be done as well by the private, or interferes with private sector job growth, that it should be faulted. The feds crossed that line sometime back in the 1970s, btw.
OrionCA1 2 years ago
@OrionCA1 There are private sanitation companies. Many of them.
Also, your point about 'firemen, police, [and] military' is a strawman. That's not the kinds of jobs we're talking about.
MooseOfReason 2 years ago 4
It's not really a straw man. The exact same arguments apply. What is fire protection? A truck full of water, some hoses? Certainly the private market can provide such a thing.
iamacyborg 2 years ago
@iamacyborg Good point.
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
Do you honestly believe that if government didn't empty trash cans or put out fires that no private industry would see opportunity there? If the government made all cell phones you would probably believe that private industry couldn't do that either.
AussieBostonian 2 years ago 3
@AussieBostonian Re:trash. I have rental houses in areas where trash is privately contracted. There's a 50-50 chance if I don't pay the trash, the tenant won't either. He moves out, I find 6 months worth of trash piled up in the house. OK, I pay the trash. NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR doesn't pay for his trash. I can't find decent tenants because neighbor's house is a pigsty. Oddly, that doesn't happen where trash is part of the utility bill. I'm not a big fan of private trash collection.
OrionCA1 2 years ago
@OrionCA1 that must be expensive trash collection or you are renting to hoodlums and white trash.
okvideos5 2 years ago
I don't understand what you're saying. Sure, you pay for the trash and add it to rent. What does the next door neighbour have to do with it? If you're saying he throws his trash in with yours, then call the cops since he's violating your property. If the cops won't do shit about it, then that's a problem with state provisioned police services not privately provisioned garbage collection services.
iamacyborg 2 years ago
didn't know waste management was run by the government. private companies will make a profit or go out of business. when Washington will just keep taking money from people if they didnt turn a proffit
BUDDAWG2004 2 years ago 2
Clearly, if there is a demand for garbage to be collected, then in the absence of state provisioned garbage collection there would be plenty of private companies willing to provide the service.
The same applies to firemen, police, and military, although national defence really only makes sense in the context of a state.
iamacyborg 2 years ago
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The man inherited a quagmire.
DSAhmed 2 years ago
DSAhmed, Fair enough, but he could have handled it better. There were plenty of people offering advice, that he ignored.
Check out "DownsizingGovernment" (dotorg). It has thoroughly researched ways of saving hundreds of billions of dollars annually. Obama talked about going "line by line".
MooseOfReason 2 years ago 2
Somewhat, but he poured more sand and water in the hole.How long is the Bush did it going to fly especially when the Democratic Congress has been in charge for the last 3 years?
irisojects 2 years ago
Mighty Joseph - Why is Obama not as bad as Bush? We are still bankrupting our country. We are still conduction an imperialist war in the Middle East. We still have FISA, the Patriot Act and the Military Commissioner Act. Quite frankly, I can discern no difference between either of them.
fordhamflash 2 years ago 5
The Pop-Tart is the government bureaucrat of breakfast food.
PEinHK 2 years ago
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i think we can all agree that obama is no where near as bad as bush
themightyjoseph 2 years ago
I think they are both equally bad and equally corrupt, but in different ways.
trime1851 2 years ago 2
@themightyjoseph Dunno about that. I was kinda hoping he would slow down on the erosion of civil liberties and maybe even reverse some of that. Didn't really happen. America is still fighting a war, and you can bet Iran is next, even with Obama. Debt shot up much faster under Obama. Banks still got their bailouts and businesses were still too big to fail, even though he "hated it"
We still have warrentless wiretaps, govt still isn't transparent.
the public speaking has seen a vast improvement ;)
mmsayre 2 years ago 2
Bush is Bad! I am so sick of that retard mantra. Get a new slogan for your libatard retort. Is that what you are going to be saying four years from now? Probably!
irisojects 2 years ago
im not a liberal or conservative, i am from uk and our political system is not a popularity concert like yours but if i were to vote for someone in usa then it would be ron paul
yes i will still same the same thing in 4 years time
themightyjoseph 2 years ago
Bush had 2 terms to work on trashing his reputation where obama trashed his in the first year. obama is working to get that title
BUDDAWG2004 2 years ago 4
how exactly did obama trash things? he already won a goddam nobel peace prize, he is sorting out the middle east problem and has made allies with the islamic world, he has also sent aid to hati whilst bush didnt even sort out the poverty in new orleans
themightyjoseph 2 years ago
Obama finished off the american economy. He is most definiately not the one who brought USA to the edge of collapse though (it started long ago).
diurdi 2 years ago
That nobel peace prize is one the most phony events I have ever seen on television.
damnitall236 2 years ago
Foreign Aid is a big part of Haiti's problem. Haiti's economy is based on agriculture and every year the U.N dumps hundreds of tons of free foodstuffs on it.
This is just one example...
HBSchool 2 years ago
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Ecosse57 2 years ago
It's Bush's fault!
rkoliver1 2 years ago
toaster scrambles are bangin, but I'm still waiting for kellogs to introduce the bacon egg and cheese pop-tarts.
enomarekim 2 years ago 2
Ron Paul!
Ron Paul!
Ron Paul!
TheSupremeSkeptic 2 years ago 6
Fucking government workers never doing shit.
TheSupremeSkeptic 2 years ago 2
Suhweet. I gotta go take that civil service exam.
averagejoe040 2 years ago 3
Lets see there are over 301 million people in this country. Over 10% of which are jobless. That is about 30 million jobless in U.S.. To be fair the jobless number was at about 5% before this so about 15 million are jobless. He "saved(not made)" ?? 2 million jobs. Survey says NOT ENOUGH MR. PRESIDENT.
jsh78mang 2 years ago 4
OOPS forgot that the cost of which is about 8.5 trillion dollars. To only have saved about 2 million jobs is lack luster at best. this kind of fuzzy math could get you fired from MC D's never mind the Oval office.
jsh78mang 2 years ago 4
lol
TheAustrian08 2 years ago
The funny thing is, the biggest "growth industry" in the world is GOVERNMENT!
whoo689 2 years ago 6
repo men? I don't get it. Doesn't Obama plan to insure against that kind of thing with bailouts for homeowners n shit?
whoo689 2 years ago
Two million jobs created (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain or th charlatain at the podium); 4 million jobs destroyed (that's NET of the
created jobs"). Will Obama declare victory when only government jobs remain?
America: where men are men and the sheep ... still believe this guy's pure bovine fecal matter.
FletchforFreedom 2 years ago
I see that Reason TV is now sponsered by Poptarts.
Shiga37 2 years ago
Yes.
Poptarts: America's 'healthiest' on-the-go breakfast. ;)
whoo689 2 years ago
Toaster strudels do have a certain air about them, like the commercials elude to, but they can get pretty damn messy. If you want breakfast in a flaky pastry, eat Toaster Scrambles instead.
whoo689 2 years ago 2
Or the breakfast hot pockets. Those are pretty good
whoo689 2 years ago
BO: we are on track to destroy the republic
bs2137 2 years ago
RON PAUL = FREEDOM
longlivecrow 2 years ago 5
This guy will be the most unpopular President in the history of America! We just don't like all the falsehoods.
oilhammer04 2 years ago
Boy breaks window.
Window owner pays window repair company to fix it.
We could create a lot of jobs by breaking a lot of windows! What are we waiting for!?
MooseOfReason 2 years ago 3
Thats actually how the government works. War is essentially the destruction of wealth. The last time I looked, military spending took up 55% of our budget. Think of the resources we use / spend to bomb a country. On top of that, we're also doing it while paying interest. (Another way to destroy wealth without gaining anything)
johnqpublic81 2 years ago
military spending is 20% of the budget.
obama200 2 years ago
Well... If you include the interest that we have to pay because of our participation in wars in the past, part of the mandatory spending is payments from past military ventures and paying for veteran benefits. The ACTUAL cost of our military is much closer to 55%. Our military spending is disproportionate to both our GDP or our population as compared to the rest of the world.
johnqpublic81 2 years ago
Its 50% if you leave out Medicare and Social Security. But when you include those programs its closer to 20%.
obama200 2 years ago
Because those are trust funds not part of my federal taxes.
johnqpublic81 2 years ago
Its all government spending that is funded by your wallet nonetheless.
obama200 2 years ago
@johnqpublic81
Haha "Trust Funds"
I lol at your naivety
"If you include the interest that we have to pay because of our participation in wars in the past, part of the mandatory spending is payments from past military ventures and paying for veteran benefits. The ACTUAL cost..."
Why would you attack (one of) the only legitimate function the Government has?
If the govt. added another line to your paycheck called "Military Fund" like they do SS would you call that a "Trust Fund" too?
Twiggy269 2 years ago
Well, I do question the legitimacy sending troops overseas without the declaration of war. I do question the legitimacy of going to war with Iraq based upon what they "might" do. The framers of the Constitution did not like the idea of one person being able to declare war. Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan attacked us. President Dwight Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex, we're overspending in ALL parts of the government.
johnqpublic81 2 years ago
@johnqpublic81
"we're overspending in ALL parts of the government."
I agree, much of what the Government does with the Military is wasteful to the extreme. I also don't agree with many of the rules the government can supposedly enforce (like the draft).
If we had a Government that was rational and simply Military, Police, and a Court system to enforce laws...
I'd volunteer money to fund it, without taxes.
Twiggy269 2 years ago 2
I'm somewhat of a minimalist when it comes to our government as well. (Hence why I subscribe to a libertarian youtube page.) I only agree with protecting our borders. What happens outside of it is none of our business in my opinion. I agreed with disrupting the Al Queda training camps, but the continued occupation of a country is far beyond both our responsibility and capability.
johnqpublic81 2 years ago
It was the disruption of things beyond our borders that gave us Al Queda.
HBSchool 2 years ago
not denying that at all. I voted for Ron Paul because I am against the destruction of wealth. "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " Dwight D Eisenhower.
Every tax dollar used to fund a war could of been held in the private hands to employ people.
johnqpublic81 2 years ago 6
@johnqpublic81
Don't know if you noticed.. but the american economy is build on one thing... War.
flamingNL 11 months ago
The Military is inefficient itself, as are Police and Courts.
HBSchool 2 years ago
@HBSchool
go away anarchist boy. I'm playing with the Conservatives right now. I spent months debating with you psycho's.
Twiggy269 2 years ago
Two words, just two words: STRAW MAN
Swing again "fallacy boy"...
HBSchool 2 years ago
@HBSchool
Your argument breaks down to this. You don't want anyone with the title of "Authority" being able to infringe on your rights. But you also want the ability to infringe on other peoples rights YOURSELF.
Without the fear of "Authority" there to provide you with consequences to your actions. That is the only explanation to your silly notion that "Police" and "Military" are naturally "Coercive"
It's not true, they simply have the power to use "Retaliatory Force"
Twiggy269 2 years ago
You don't know my position because I haven't stated it. All you know is this: I think the Military, Police, and Courts are inefficient. That's it...
This is a classic straw man argument- You've put words in my mouth and have attacked a position you've created. It's perhaps the dumbest fucking thing one could do.
I've worked for both comptrollers and Inspector General's. How are you going to tell me?
Feel free to swing again.
HBSchool 2 years ago
Military, Police, and Courts, are the only place a government has in a free society. If you take away those 3 areas, you're left with no Government at all.
Whats the definition of the word Government?
Can you establish a "Government" without those 3 parts (police courts military)?
Can you give me an example of a way to deal with the problems that police, military, and courts deal with that is more efficient?
Or is it just dommed to inefficient-ness with no way to ever solve those problems.
Twiggy269 2 years ago
Again, you're assuming that I want to take them away. What do you know about alternative dispute resolution? What about private courts? They're already active in the United States and they do quite well. Our biggest companies don't use Public courts to handle matters between them.
Police, well we had a successful policing system well before the FBI. As a matter of fact its success was its downfall. You see it had been turned against the Unions, by property owners, and it about destroyed them.
HBSchool 2 years ago
BTW, Our Government consists of the THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. Not "military, police, and courts."
HBSchool 2 years ago
what makes you think I'm talking about the US government when I say a "Rational Government" that only consists of those 3 things.
"What about private courts?"
I have to ask, what is necessary to enforce contracts? The threat of violence for non-compliance. That can only be done by Government (unless you're an anarchist, which you're claiming not to be)
Therfore, I must ask, what is the fundamental difference between "Public" courts, and "Private" ?
Twiggy269 2 years ago
Debate isn't your forte and I think you should give it up. Have you forgotten what you chose to challenge me on?
For the sake of time, is what I said not true, are millions of dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse not found in these systems every year?
Are they not "wasteful of time"? Sure, it's subjective, but hundreds of multi-billion dollar companies think the same thing I do. That's why, at the advice of hundreds of lawyers, they turn to private entities such as mediators and private court.
HBSchool 2 years ago
lol, you can simply choose to stop responding to me if you'd like, don't try and throw an insult at me to make yourself feel better. Not my forte? You can't even decide on something to actually debate. When I try to get you to answer a simple question, you evade, and slander. I should've known talking to you would establish nothing, since you've "Worked for both comptrollers and Inspector General's"
nonetheless, i'll let you wander in discussion all you want...
Twiggy269 2 years ago
"are millions of dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse not found in these systems every year?"
Such an ambiguous statement. I could take this quote and apply it to just about any private enterprise as well. Good job being careful about not saying anything at all. It's what I'd expect from a Government tool like yourself.
You can't even define what the word Government means i'll bet. You couldn't even tell me what is required to ENFORCE contracts.
Twiggy269 2 years ago
do me a favor and don't post back unless you plan on actually saying something. Or stating a position on something, you're ramblings are starting to become dull and boring.
Twiggy269 2 years ago
I made my assertion, you replied with an ad hominem/straw man and two more consecutive straw man arguments as a rebuttal. I will make it again: "Courts, Police, and Military are inefficient as well."
Let's have it,
Is what I said not true, are millions of dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse not found in these systems every year?
A simple yes or no would be appropriate.
HBSchool 2 years ago
ReasonTV just hate Amurrika!
Dey took ur jebs!!!
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
DERKA DERR!
Thorbie 2 years ago
$787B/(2M jobs)=~$400,000/job
That's the superior efficiency of government spending for ya!
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
2M more jobs at a pricetag of $787B? This guy is a fucking douchebag.
elsquibbs 2 years ago 6
You forgot: Lobbyists.
montywade 2 years ago 8
i knew it this is the first video on my subscription list that made a video concerning the state of the union address speach
superjam18 2 years ago
He is a self-centered, phony, egotistical bore.
That's your president for 3 more years.
jbjumpback 2 years ago
Fortunately, dims will only have control for another year.
citizenintime 2 years ago
Of Congress, that is...
citizenintime 2 years ago
@citizenintime
Whoopee. The dims will go away, just to be replaced by the thugs. Why do we have to have a system based on systematic violence and mob rule?
nonantianarchist 2 years ago
By "thugs", I assume that you are referring to the GOP. I don't share your disdain for conservatism. We need 7 constructionists on the SC. We won't get that from the dims.
citizenintime 2 years ago
@citizenintime
That depends on what you mean by "conservative". I can get along with a conservative like Ron Paul. But neoconservatives (who have run the GOP for the last eight years) are thugs.
nonantianarchist 2 years ago 2
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, that was funny...and also sad because it's true.
kpscully 2 years ago 2
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klalkity 2 years ago
@klalkity
over that?
pudodrewculous 2 years ago
@klalkity: like you were ever subscribed in the first place. *eyeroll*
WideWorldOfWisdom 2 years ago 2