Even the grounds.... Same driver two cars. Also the ACR being a factory race car it comes with "RACING TIRES" and adjustable areo and shocks. The ZR1 is not a factory race car. Its pretty impressive that it is this close. Put the same tire on both cars and use the same driver. ZR1 wins. I love both cars though and would donate both my nuts to own either one.
@helimanz06 like I said I like both cars if I could afford either I wouldn't be wasting my time on YouTube xD anyway I have a 04' Pontiac, not a fan of 90% of our imports, including the Altima v.v
Congrats to both of the cars to be able to dominate megabuck European promqueens at a fraction of the price.
It would be great if they would offer an aero package for the Vette with the Viper rear wing. It should close the gap a bit. 1500 lbs of down force has to be a good thing!
The great thing is that the average man can actually save up and buy one of these machines unlike the Ferrari 599 or Enzo, or the Porsche GT2 RS which the vast majority can only dream of owning.
Love these arguments, heres my 2 cents: the LS9 is GMs TOP OF THE LINE engine, a supercharged V8 pushing 638hp as opposed to Chryslers N/A SRT-10 pushing 600hp. Being GM is already using induction, any upgrade is just "good". But add the Paxton, to the ACR and your looking at up to 771hp.
I'm really curious to see how A) Badly Fiat fucks up the exterior. B) What other parts they've upgraded the last 4 years (as opposed to just the headers in the ACR-X) C) If GM wants to step into the track more
the viper has never had stability or traction control and it doesnt truly need it and if it is going to have it a I truly hope they make it user selective.
@Refort610 Wheres the video at anyways? the laptime is not even listed on fastestlaps or nurburgring laptimes anymore and its taking them longer then when lexus brought up the proof.
The forced induction way is for Japanese cmon guys the american philosophy is bigger engine bigger power and better car which viper brings out nicely now put that viper engine in that corvette and i guarantee at least 7:20
@moparhloic2 actually they're comparing cars 3 years apart. The cars that were tested were 09 models, so he's comparing an 09 to a 2012!! Sorry to correct you bro!
@moparholic2 I know it's been confirmed, but it doesn't change the fact that vette lovers are comparing 2012 to a 2010. They always have comments like well if the vette has 2 more cylinders and was supercharged? Instead of commenting how they'd be in trouble if the viper was supercharged. I'm use to hearing all that, from class racing at the drag strip! It was always the GM guys that didn't like it.
@07Z06ss ....Sooo GM guy !!!! You compare two cars that were built two years apart... an eternity.... That's EXACTLY WHY the new Viper is under devellopement , to send the vette in orbite by a kick in the ass. The only thing Ralph Gilles told about it , is that is gonna be the fastest and craziest american prodution car ever built. So let's wait and compare 2013 version of both cars , as always , i'm more than sure that Mopar will stay ahead.
@07Z06ss Kicking ass? Maybe against other cars. The only thing the 2012 ZR1 has on the Viper ACR is the Ring, which still can be greatly improved on the Viper's account. Tell me, where else does the ZR1 hold track records over the ACR?
@07Z06ss What does "it's still in production unlike the Viper" mean exactly? Because of the mandated laws on stability control Viper had to go back to the drawing board. How are you gonna feel in less than a year when the new Viper with 700+ hp gets all up in your tailpipe?
@07Z06ss The new Viper is apparently being completely redesigned. The chassis is supposed to be lighter and I've heard some rumors of HP being around 750. As a side note, they have said the interior is going to be very nice, for a change. I wonder what kind of reliability issues a 700+ S/C Corvette will have. I'm guessing the Viper will up displacement from 8.4L to at least 8.5L+. I certainly hope they don't S/C it as this will deviate from the Viper concept as a roadster. 2012 will be fun!
@thybigballs Yes it is going to be fun! I'm very eager to see what the end of 2012 will bring for both cars, but I hope they don't severely change the body styles on either.
@07Z06ss What's scary concerning the Vipers future is when they said the new model will not be based off the previous models. In my pessimistic mind this could be bad. I wish the new model would resemble the older generation Vipers like the GTS. I prefer the Carrol Shelby influence it had vs the newer generation with its squared off look. As a matter of fact, the first time I saw the newer gen models I thought Dodge had shoplifted some of the look from the Corvette. Fingers crossed!
@07Z06ss Did Uncle Sam delay the 2012 mandate concerning stability control? Plenty pops up talking about the rule change when I google Stability Control Mandate. Yes, one of the reasons the Viper had to end the current generation was it's lack of stability control. Go to the last minute of this video: /watch?v=RTPrxnyHAcw Either way who cares. The result will hopefully be a badder Viper off the showroom floor.
WTF? Your commenting on a 2012 vette, and a 2012 ACR, learn your cars b4 posting trash, they stopped production of the viper in 2010! So your bragging on the vette having a better time than an older ACR!
@94eyung guess what the viper is still better then a supercharged engine guess what there makin a new viper coming out in 2012 by chrysler and ferrari guess what SUCK ON THEM FACTS!
back @davetek490 but they did use a load of tech to design the original and to improve the design over the years and traction control is sort of irrelevant since most race drivers would disable it to the make the car go faster. vette was completely bone stock down to the tires with traction control disabled when it ran the time it ran on the ring.
Look how much more composed the viper is. Its amazing. Oh and by the way u idiot, "big ass back wings" add downforce. Seems smart to me. And it looks sick
ussianAmericanArms ... the viper srt10 can't mess with the zr1. srt is like linginfelter for chevy. now the srt10 acr, acr=american club racing is road and track version. bag of bones dats a good one. so i guess a zo6 carbon is the same as a zo6 right??
@g81heli I believe if they go back again with a revised viper like they did with the vette they could drop their time as well. Not to mention run a much cleaner lap.
@g81heli The problem is you're only considering the lap time on the Ring. What about everywhere else? Exactly how many tracks does the ZR1 hold records at? Vs the ACR? As for how difficult it is to control the car, it really isn't as bad as everyone says it is. Of course, if you're dumb with it then you'll spin, and it isn't as forgiving either. That's not to say it isn't a great track car, because it is.
@Refort610 in a straight line the acr might get the jump on a zr1 maybe if the driver can control the rear end on the acr. but it looks like dodge hasn't even tried the 2012 acr at nurburgring wher the 2012 zr1 got 7:19:63 and pretty much stands as the fastest production car on the planet.
@Refort610 A drivers car that even highly trained experienced racing drivers have a real difficult time keeping on the road. thats why they love to ride the rev limiter in every gear while they drive it. Do you own a viper? Have you ever driven one? there is actually a video to prove that the zr-1 smashed the acr on nurburgring.
If dodge made the handling better it would probably make the car not look like a viper any more because they would have to totally rethink the poorly designed chassis that allows the poor weight distribution and too much G's of displacement in the rear. this is why it's the hardest muscle car to drive and the easiest to crash.
acr sucks, the driver was skipping gears (not missed) and banging the rev limiter because if he tried to go to the next gear the acr would fishtail and he would crash. 2012 zr-1 does beat the acr with 2 less cylinders. Viper is a good muscle car, just poorly designed compaired to GM technology. dodge has focused on cool looks and packing as much power as they can in the viper without much regard for how the car will use and handle the power that it has
@g81heli First off, weight distribution on the Viper is 49/51, hardly poor. Second, the Viper may have 2 more cylinders, but the ZR1 has a supercharger on it which is going to make a bigger difference. It's funny that you're complaining about handling considering the ACR holds many lap records, more so than the ZR1. As for technology, why can't you people get it that Viper was never designed to be a technologic masterpiece? It's a drivers car.
@g81heli The Viper was originally designed on the cheap. That it's hanging with and beating cars with much more tech in them proves you don't need crap loads of tech to put up great times.
the vette will always be better than the viper. #1 the acr has a technology advantage. #2 no viper can be better than the vette because if the zr1 had not been that good the acr would not have been brought about.
@olney28 You're kidding right? The ACR is barebones compared to the ZR1. Bone Stock V10 vs. Fully upgraded V8. The ACR doesnt have Stability Control or Traction Control. The ZR1 is lighter than the ACR. Yea the Viper is totally decked out man...
@armwrestling23 Too bad that was on a stripped down chassis, slick racing tires, and C16 fuel. all that and only beat the Viper by 3 seconds. that's sad.
I'd love to see information comparing pavement temp, air temp, relative humidity, barometric pressure, etc. for the two runs.
It will also be interesting what the new Vette will do now at the Ring since there are Pilot Sport Cup tires available for it as was on the ACR. I'm betting on the Vette!
I have a question...I saw in another video on youtube that the ACR isn't street legal....is that true anyone? I know the ZR1 is cause I've seen a few of them on the street...well....just one actually and I almost crashed my truck looking at it.
Till this very day ricers and fanboys STILL say and I quote some ignorance "GT-R is king and Americans cannot compete!". <----------- multiple people say this crap
Viper did this without any fancy BS electronic aesthetics, stability control or traction control. Pure machine. Less than $100,000.
Not surprised the Viper won, had a huge lead on the vette through out the later half. But dont get me wrong, i like the Corvette to. Who says dodge sucks? Now i hope people will know better!
To be exact courtney its a Gumpert Apollo and it is powered by an Audi power plant, Im not getting into a pissing match both car are brutally fast and they both step on the Italians toes....which makes me happy, and I'll include the Ford GT into that as well...because its nasty
Funny thing is if you listen closely this tool bag keeps bouncing the ZR1 off the rev limiter, that would cost time no? And for the record ARMONI555 the Gumpart is an Audi
@TheGunslinger2001 LOL That is the viper hitting the rev limiter. Watch it's vid on its own, or just observe the shifter rattling violently. Shifting occupied a lot of time, plus the gearing for the car was apparently not ideal for the track, so Coronel just kept smacking the limiter until he was able to up shift. In regard to the gumpart, an engine alone does not make a car. The Gumpart would to fine with other drive trains as well.
@150grnballistictip Actually, if you watch the steering efforts of both drivers around corners you'll notice the viper steering is quite busy while the vette steering was much smoother. Vipers need more effort and driver input around corners. This is one of the characteristics of the viper everyone talks about when discussing the rawness of the viper. You better know what the hell you're doing when pushing an ACR to it's max.
yeah this dodge viper set the record that has yet to be beat my either porche gt2 or gt3 and the gtr it ran like a 7;22 and anyone thats not american hates it !!! . the only car that ran better than is thats street legal is the gumpart apollo and thats a supercar
Wow im proud of both cars. Honestly ima chevy man and i love the corvette zr1 the reason the acr is faster is because it can run at the red line on the limit. but hey you can hate all you want but American cars on top.
@Vicious713 Lets see you drive around the nurburgring faster! He was like that because if he was faster it would have over steer'd and he would have probably crash.
I like that the Viper uses less gear shift through the corners and also the good handling. This car would aoutrun the corvette on the track and on the street. Go DODGE!
@Blueball0120 not saying i can... just saying they definately could've done better, what with the guy driving the viper constantly redlinin his car, and the guy in the zr-1 constantly oversteering, i mean yeah its a kinda hard to drive those cars (maybe not the viper) but its not that hard...
@me58261 what are you talking about? the viper is definitely HARD to drive, vipers dont come with traction control!
he's bouncing off the rev limiter because of the shitty ass gearing in the viper. he would be wasting time by upshifting so he chooses to stay on the gas and bounce off the rev limiter.
@cliffabrown vipers are best handling cars america has made... I think thats what they advertised... not sure... still, i'm susre if they tackled it a couple of more time they'd get much better times.
@cliffabrown what! the zr1 and acr both maxed out transmission scores and both have amazin gears the acr driver isnt avoiding upshifting he tends to ride 4 and 5 so he is kkeping it high gear plus YOU DONT WANT TRACTION CONTROL ON CARS LIKE THE ACR! you drift alot and you relly want the engine to stay out of the way
@me58261 what are you talking about? the viper is definitely HARD to drive, vipers dont come with traction control!
he's bouncing off the rev limiter because of the shitty ass gearing in the viper. he would be wasting time by upshifting so he chooses to stay on the gas and bounce off the rev limiter.
@cliffabrown Both of them have the same trans. The difference in horsepower and torque curves between the two cars dictates the shifting. Also, with the Viper's brutal torque you can pretty much drive around town all day with it stuck in 2nd gear and be just fine.
@thybigballs just because they use the same transmission doesn't mean they have the same gear ratios. the zr1 has 3.42's, the viper has 3.07's. the horsepower/torque curves do nothing to actually dictate shift points, unless you're looking at it from an engineering standpoint (figuring out what gear ratios to use based on deriving the proper ratios from factors such as weight and powerband, along with desired performance)
@me58261 Bad drivers? You do know the driver of the Viper set the record in this video, right? Can you expand on you're statement of how they were bad drivers?
@Ribbityibzki It breaks my heart to see ZR1 4-sec. slower at ANYTHING, especially a standardized, almost benchmark test like Nürburgring. BUT as for the "brutality" of the VIPER, it really showed itself to be much easier to manage. It really is a race car and God Bless ZR1 for attempting to do the only thing that The ACR is good at doing (being a race car) ! ZR1 bottomed out & jumped around & tried to be as grippy on 10mm less tread. Oh well, tests are done. Now which one could your WIFE drive?
@STIRKDAWG Heh, if my wife was sitting in a ZR1 it'd be in the passenger seat! But hey, I'd say 4 seconds slower is reasonable considering the Vette is also probably throwing around equipment like heated seats, satnav, a Bose sound system, etc. And it doesn't have that massive wing driving the rear tires into the ground at speed.
@STIRKDAWG The only thing that correlates with traction is the softness of the rubber used in the tire. if you don't believe me, ask a physics professor.
@STIRKDAWG The contact patch of a 300 mm wide tire has the same area as a 200 mm tire if the tire pressures are the same in the two tires. Even if the contact patch were bigger, there would be no difference in friction between the tire and the road surface. Friction doesn't work like that. Fk</=Uk*Fn
@kdaviper I did some research. I lose. technically, you're right; that it's the actual rubber compound that creats friction and surprisingly, that frictional force is INDEPENDENT of area. The tires are actually wider for support for support of the softer rubber. *I STAND CORRECTED (and VERY humbled).
@kdaviper I was actually thinking about this a lot lately and it's easier to understand when imagining a total LACK of traction - rather than the physics of why MORE sq. in. WOULDN'T necessarily translate into more traction. Very simply, excluding weight and whatever "melt-welding" may occur, JUST A THEORETICAL absence of traction, much like ice, wouldn't be remedied by a WIDER ICE WHEEL. It'd still just sit & spin because there never was any traction. The same applies transversely!
@kdaviper I'm kinda lost with your post. How would a 1" wide tire have the same contact patch as a 10" tire? Concerning how a wider tire doesn't mean more friction, am I correct when I say the weight on a 1" tire provides the same friction as a 10" tire because the weight is distributed more on the wider tire and therefore less friction per square inch?
@thybigballs KdaViper is correct- A 1" tire WOULD have the same contact patch size as a 10" wide tire, assuming equal psi/weights pushing down on them. However, No- the 1" tire would not provide the same traction as a 10" tire would.
@SidewaysGts I have pondered a bit about it but it still isn't quite clear. For simplicity reason, lets say we have a 1" tire with a 1" square contact patch. There is exactly 1000 lbs pushing down on this 1" square. Now, lets use a 10" tire that has a 10" square contact patch. This would then spread the weight to only 100 lbs per square inch of the contact patch. So, theoretically, doesn't both have the same friction force then? Somebody needs to help me out here or I will lay awake at night.
@thybigballs Ill answer your question but I want to clarify firstly that your example isnt keeping all forces equal. In your equation the 10" tire has a lower psi, if the psis were the same- they would have the same contact patch. But to answer your question simply, no- they wouldnt. Text book measurements of "Friction" only work in "perfect world" scenarios. Tires have an additional property to take into account- Adhesion. Your 10" wide tire with a 10 square inch (pt1)
@SidewaysGts Damnit, I forgot the contact patch size wouldn't change when you go with a wider tire. This is what screwed me up. The other things you mentioned such as adhesion was good info. Thanks for the help. Now I can sleep tonight...LOL
@thybigballs (pt2) contact patch has much more "adhesion" going on compared to the 1" of the other tire. Now the other more appropriate question (And im only assuming this was the point of the comment you were replying to originally, i was unable to find it) would be when 2 tires of different widths (same compound) and are set to the same psi and thus have the same contact patch, shouldnt they have the same amount of adhesion?
another Corvette bites the dust and the Viper wins flawlessly lol
ManuelSantana1118 1 day ago
@ManuelSantana1118 funny thing is
Viper beat the corvette record lol get your facts right
LuliFede1 22 hours ago
It was recently released that this ACR was actually modified with a different 5th gear that does not come on the production version. Cheats
pali311 4 days ago
Even the grounds.... Same driver two cars. Also the ACR being a factory race car it comes with "RACING TIRES" and adjustable areo and shocks. The ZR1 is not a factory race car. Its pretty impressive that it is this close. Put the same tire on both cars and use the same driver. ZR1 wins. I love both cars though and would donate both my nuts to own either one.
alquimby1 6 days ago
New ACR lap time !! 7:12
cryteeek 4 weeks ago
ACR > ZR1
000eMan000 1 month ago
New ACR does 7:12 :o
cabbagesftw 1 month ago
I believe the corvette was driven by a non professional driver and the viper was driven by a professional driver.
shadowspawn2000 1 month ago 2
look at the video 1012 corvette zr1 he runs a 7:19 he would beat the acr
kovolinco 2 months ago
@kovolinco The 2010 ACR has a run of 7:12 also on video.
Refort610 2 months ago
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The Viper is the Delorean of the 90's, no one thinks its cool anymore
McFly2015AD 2 months ago
why are people arguing? i love both these cars
forrestc3 2 months ago
@helimanz06 like I said I like both cars if I could afford either I wouldn't be wasting my time on YouTube xD anyway I have a 04' Pontiac, not a fan of 90% of our imports, including the Altima v.v
KeyboardTurner 3 months ago
Congrats to both of the cars to be able to dominate megabuck European promqueens at a fraction of the price.
It would be great if they would offer an aero package for the Vette with the Viper rear wing. It should close the gap a bit. 1500 lbs of down force has to be a good thing!
The great thing is that the average man can actually save up and buy one of these machines unlike the Ferrari 599 or Enzo, or the Porsche GT2 RS which the vast majority can only dream of owning.
HelimanZ06 3 months ago
Love these arguments, heres my 2 cents: the LS9 is GMs TOP OF THE LINE engine, a supercharged V8 pushing 638hp as opposed to Chryslers N/A SRT-10 pushing 600hp. Being GM is already using induction, any upgrade is just "good". But add the Paxton, to the ACR and your looking at up to 771hp.
I'm really curious to see how A) Badly Fiat fucks up the exterior. B) What other parts they've upgraded the last 4 years (as opposed to just the headers in the ACR-X) C) If GM wants to step into the track more
KeyboardTurner 3 months ago
The Viper ACR has a splitter and a wing.
uoweme50 3 months ago
@uoweme50 Yes the ACR comes from the factory with that wing and splitter....whats your point?
SuperKing1320 2 months ago
@SuperKing1320 Extra down force = better cornering
uoweme50 2 months ago
Viper is a true track racing car
EndofDays213 3 months ago
I already new the acr was going to win seems more stable arounds corners the zr1 looks like he was fighting it through the whole lap
EndofDays213 3 months ago
@07Z06ss no i am saying that ppl owning corvettes are as commen as small dicks.
gonzofetish 3 months ago
@gonzofetish A better way to put it, the Corvette is the Altima of sportscars. You one every other block... T.T
KeyboardTurner 3 months ago
@KeyboardTurner
But here is the real question: Is the car YOU own most like an Altima or a ZR1?
I'm betting on the former!
HelimanZ06 3 months ago
@KeyboardTurner exactly!!! i will never own one. maybe an old school one?
gonzofetish 3 months ago
the viper has never had stability or traction control and it doesnt truly need it and if it is going to have it a I truly hope they make it user selective.
MrBuckmaster01 3 months ago
this comparing coper to gold
MegaUnleashthebeast 4 months ago
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thybigballs 4 months ago
Corvettes are for rich ppl with little dicks!!haha
gonzofetish 4 months ago 2
@gonzofetish Vipers are more expensive than vettes, so are you saying viper owners have smaller dicks than vette owners?
07Z06ss 4 months ago
@gonzofetish the same could be said about the Viper. Just remember that.
HiVultage01 1 month ago
@gonzofetish come bend over... i'll show you how small it is:P
CzeciStan1 1 month ago
When the time is that close, then i think it all depends on the driver, both cars are fuckin vicious tho
dannyplants1 4 months ago
@dannyplants1 It's not that close any longer. Watch this: /watch?v=p2EuY9uRCfQ
thybigballs 4 months ago
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2010 Viper 7.12
Stig217 4 months ago
Acr beat the zr1 by 4 s
Chaserpollard 4 months ago
@Chaserpollard 7:12! The 2010 ACR just set a record for 7:12.13 yesturday. An ACR-X was also there that turned a 7:03.xx lap time!
Refort610 4 months ago
@Refort610 Wheres the video at anyways? the laptime is not even listed on fastestlaps or nurburgring laptimes anymore and its taking them longer then when lexus brought up the proof.
pier456 4 months ago
@pier456 /watch?v=p2EuY9uRCfQ...Viper killing everyone at the Ring once again
thybigballs 4 months ago
The forced induction way is for Japanese cmon guys the american philosophy is bigger engine bigger power and better car which viper brings out nicely now put that viper engine in that corvette and i guarantee at least 7:20
W4TCH4W 5 months ago
@W4TCH4W yea but the zr1 will also have to have the handling to get that time.
BROWNINGguns1 4 months ago
the viper is a real sports car. the corvette is just another car you see on the streets....that can outrun sports cars
AssHoleThunder 5 months ago
Acr is faster on turns only because of 1000 lbs of downforce.
CopperheadViper 5 months ago
@CopperheadViper Doesn't the Viper have a higher skidpad G force number anyway?
thybigballs 5 months ago
@thybigballs Ya I think so.
CopperheadViper 5 months ago
@moparhloic2 actually they're comparing cars 3 years apart. The cars that were tested were 09 models, so he's comparing an 09 to a 2012!! Sorry to correct you bro!
redlandmel 5 months ago
Viper seems to be better planted on the track. Would prefer driving that one. ,)
mattipuh 5 months ago
@07Z06ss so 10 years from now, are you still going to be gloating, how your newer technology outran mopars older technology?
redlandmel 5 months ago
Viper acr > corvette zr1
Fast92z 5 months ago
@Fast92z Corvette ZR1 > ACR the 2012 ZR1 models lap time is 7:19.63 while the vipers is only 7:22..
07Z06ss 5 months ago
@moparholic2 I know it's been confirmed, but it doesn't change the fact that vette lovers are comparing 2012 to a 2010. They always have comments like well if the vette has 2 more cylinders and was supercharged? Instead of commenting how they'd be in trouble if the viper was supercharged. I'm use to hearing all that, from class racing at the drag strip! It was always the GM guys that didn't like it.
redlandmel 5 months ago
@redlandmel awww well we can't compare the 2012 ZR1 time to a 2012 Viper because the Viper is NO LONGER IN PRODUCTION! LOL
07Z06ss 5 months ago
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thybigballs 4 months ago
Take that G.M !!!
moparholic2 5 months ago
@moparholic2 2012 ZR1 beats the viper acr on the nurburgring by 3 seconds mate
07Z06ss 5 months ago
@07Z06ss ....Sooo GM guy !!!! You compare two cars that were built two years apart... an eternity.... That's EXACTLY WHY the new Viper is under devellopement , to send the vette in orbite by a kick in the ass. The only thing Ralph Gilles told about it , is that is gonna be the fastest and craziest american prodution car ever built. So let's wait and compare 2013 version of both cars , as always , i'm more than sure that Mopar will stay ahead.
moparholic2 5 months ago
@moparholic2 and? ZR1 is still kicking ass and it's still in production unlike the viper
07Z06ss 5 months ago
@07Z06ss Kicking ass? Maybe against other cars. The only thing the 2012 ZR1 has on the Viper ACR is the Ring, which still can be greatly improved on the Viper's account. Tell me, where else does the ZR1 hold track records over the ACR?
Refort610 5 months ago
@Refort610 ZR1 also has a higher top speed than the ACR
07Z06ss 5 months ago
@07Z06ss Another useless measurement. Of course drag is going to slow down the Viper.
Refort610 5 months ago
@07Z06ss What does "it's still in production unlike the Viper" mean exactly? Because of the mandated laws on stability control Viper had to go back to the drawing board. How are you gonna feel in less than a year when the new Viper with 700+ hp gets all up in your tailpipe?
thybigballs 5 months ago 7
@thybigballs They've already got spy shots of the 2013 Viper as well.
Refort610 5 months ago
@thybigballs how are you gonna feel at the end of 2012 when the C7 corvette line up begins with the new Zr1 and Z06 700+ hp? we'll see...
07Z06ss 5 months ago
@07Z06ss The new Viper is apparently being completely redesigned. The chassis is supposed to be lighter and I've heard some rumors of HP being around 750. As a side note, they have said the interior is going to be very nice, for a change. I wonder what kind of reliability issues a 700+ S/C Corvette will have. I'm guessing the Viper will up displacement from 8.4L to at least 8.5L+. I certainly hope they don't S/C it as this will deviate from the Viper concept as a roadster. 2012 will be fun!
thybigballs 5 months ago
@thybigballs Yes it is going to be fun! I'm very eager to see what the end of 2012 will bring for both cars, but I hope they don't severely change the body styles on either.
07Z06ss 5 months ago
@07Z06ss What's scary concerning the Vipers future is when they said the new model will not be based off the previous models. In my pessimistic mind this could be bad. I wish the new model would resemble the older generation Vipers like the GTS. I prefer the Carrol Shelby influence it had vs the newer generation with its squared off look. As a matter of fact, the first time I saw the newer gen models I thought Dodge had shoplifted some of the look from the Corvette. Fingers crossed!
thybigballs 5 months ago
@thybigballs I know! I loved the style of the GTS vipers!
07Z06ss 5 months ago
@thybigballs LOL there was no law mandated for stability control, that wasn't why it was taken away, read up.
07Z06ss 4 months ago
@07Z06ss Did Uncle Sam delay the 2012 mandate concerning stability control? Plenty pops up talking about the rule change when I google Stability Control Mandate. Yes, one of the reasons the Viper had to end the current generation was it's lack of stability control. Go to the last minute of this video: /watch?v=RTPrxnyHAcw Either way who cares. The result will hopefully be a badder Viper off the showroom floor.
thybigballs 4 months ago
@thybigballs and rapes every car out there lol
cusemeng44 1 month ago
WTF? Your commenting on a 2012 vette, and a 2012 ACR, learn your cars b4 posting trash, they stopped production of the viper in 2010! So your bragging on the vette having a better time than an older ACR!
redlandmel 5 months ago
@redlandmel The next-gen Viper is already under developement , Ralph gilles confirmed it !!! So hold your hat firmly Vette Lovers !!!
moparholic2 5 months ago
Wait until GM gets bored with the ZR1 and decide to make a vette with a V10 supercharged engine even the famed bugatti will be in for a show
94eyung 6 months ago
@94eyung... You can dream !!!
moparholic2 5 months ago
@94eyung I'd rather have THE car now than waiting as you do instead of admitting...
moparholic2 5 months ago
@94eyung with an engine that big comes different weight ratios ect. Bigger isnt always faster. What if Dodge got bored with the ACR-X? Same concept.
Bduke1000 5 months ago
@94eyung guess what the viper is still better then a supercharged engine guess what there makin a new viper coming out in 2012 by chrysler and ferrari guess what SUCK ON THEM FACTS!
CharlesNeal2424 5 months ago
back @davetek490 but they did use a load of tech to design the original and to improve the design over the years and traction control is sort of irrelevant since most race drivers would disable it to the make the car go faster. vette was completely bone stock down to the tires with traction control disabled when it ran the time it ran on the ring.
g81heli 6 months ago
Look how much more composed the viper is. Its amazing. Oh and by the way u idiot, "big ass back wings" add downforce. Seems smart to me. And it looks sick
Penguins218 6 months ago
As always viper kicks ass
flamien8895 6 months ago
Viper will alwyas be better than Corvette all hail Dodge Viper !!!!
cryteeek 6 months ago
@cryteeek all hail the extinct viper!!!!
bostonsoxforlife 6 months ago
ussianAmericanArms ... the viper srt10 can't mess with the zr1. srt is like linginfelter for chevy. now the srt10 acr, acr=american club racing is road and track version. bag of bones dats a good one. so i guess a zo6 carbon is the same as a zo6 right??
olney28 6 months ago
ACR is better at turns but when it comes to a straight a way the ZR1 is better
MrBrandon453 6 months ago
thats why the 2012 acr time is 7:22 and the 2012 zr1 time is 7:19. because the acr is better. right.
g81heli 6 months ago
@g81heli The Corvette dose it without a big ass back wing and no big wings in the front. xDxDxDxDxD
nonemc 6 months ago
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@g81heli Even the ZO6 comes VERY VERY VERY close to that over priced vIpErS time.
nonemc 6 months ago
@g81heli I believe if they go back again with a revised viper like they did with the vette they could drop their time as well. Not to mention run a much cleaner lap.
iPROFITDON 6 months ago
@g81heli Watch this..../watch?v=p2EuY9uRCfQ
thybigballs 4 months ago
@Refort610 you must be watching old videos 'cause its old news that the zr1 demolished everything else time on nurburgring .
g81heli 6 months ago
@g81heli The problem is you're only considering the lap time on the Ring. What about everywhere else? Exactly how many tracks does the ZR1 hold records at? Vs the ACR? As for how difficult it is to control the car, it really isn't as bad as everyone says it is. Of course, if you're dumb with it then you'll spin, and it isn't as forgiving either. That's not to say it isn't a great track car, because it is.
Refort610 6 months ago
@Refort610 in a straight line the acr might get the jump on a zr1 maybe if the driver can control the rear end on the acr. but it looks like dodge hasn't even tried the 2012 acr at nurburgring wher the 2012 zr1 got 7:19:63 and pretty much stands as the fastest production car on the planet.
g81heli 6 months ago
@Refort610 A drivers car that even highly trained experienced racing drivers have a real difficult time keeping on the road. thats why they love to ride the rev limiter in every gear while they drive it. Do you own a viper? Have you ever driven one? there is actually a video to prove that the zr-1 smashed the acr on nurburgring.
g81heli 6 months ago
oh yeah, and race drivers disable the traction control on the ZR-1 because it"s faster that way, and they don't need it.
g81heli 6 months ago
If dodge made the handling better it would probably make the car not look like a viper any more because they would have to totally rethink the poorly designed chassis that allows the poor weight distribution and too much G's of displacement in the rear. this is why it's the hardest muscle car to drive and the easiest to crash.
g81heli 6 months ago
acr sucks, the driver was skipping gears (not missed) and banging the rev limiter because if he tried to go to the next gear the acr would fishtail and he would crash. 2012 zr-1 does beat the acr with 2 less cylinders. Viper is a good muscle car, just poorly designed compaired to GM technology. dodge has focused on cool looks and packing as much power as they can in the viper without much regard for how the car will use and handle the power that it has
g81heli 6 months ago
@g81heli First off, weight distribution on the Viper is 49/51, hardly poor. Second, the Viper may have 2 more cylinders, but the ZR1 has a supercharger on it which is going to make a bigger difference. It's funny that you're complaining about handling considering the ACR holds many lap records, more so than the ZR1. As for technology, why can't you people get it that Viper was never designed to be a technologic masterpiece? It's a drivers car.
Refort610 6 months ago
@g81heli The Viper was originally designed on the cheap. That it's hanging with and beating cars with much more tech in them proves you don't need crap loads of tech to put up great times.
Original Shelby Cobra was the same way.
davetek490 6 months ago
there is no info about these cars that are in this video. But the 2012 Zr-1does this lap in 7:20 straight from the factory with no performance mods.
g81heli 6 months ago
@ThatLonelyLoner how u know it can run fast than the viper acr? i not notice when i was on computer for some after work
omgsean2 6 months ago
Even when missing shifts and banging the rev limiter like a 2 dollar whore the viper is still quicker. Imagine an ACR-X? or the 700 hp 2013 viper.
rythmmonster 7 months ago
the vette will always be better than the viper. #1 the acr has a technology advantage. #2 no viper can be better than the vette because if the zr1 had not been that good the acr would not have been brought about.
olney28 7 months ago
@olney28 Except for the fact that the ACR was in production before the ZR1.
Refort610 7 months ago
@olney28 You're kidding right? The ACR is barebones compared to the ZR1. Bone Stock V10 vs. Fully upgraded V8. The ACR doesnt have Stability Control or Traction Control. The ZR1 is lighter than the ACR. Yea the Viper is totally decked out man...
RussianAmericanArms 6 months ago
Viper > Vette.
jcaled24 7 months ago 28
@jcaled24 idk str8 drag vette without traction control on yea the vette has it but road course viper slowly but surely over matches the vette
madguy1010 6 months ago
@jcaled24 sorry but no.
pokeknowledge2007 4 months ago
@pokeknowledge2007 seems people tend to disagree.... sorry. :)
jcaled24 4 months ago
2012 ZR1 managed to get 7:19
armwrestling23 7 months ago in playlist nurburgring
@armwrestling23 wait until the next-gen viper comes out , that record will be destroyed
again
ikefan0202 7 months ago
@armwrestling23 we didnt see the 2012 viper yet ))))
TheShadowStalker07 7 months ago
@armwrestling23 Too bad that was on a stripped down chassis, slick racing tires, and C16 fuel. all that and only beat the Viper by 3 seconds. that's sad.
adamslurch71 7 months ago
Great video!
I'd love to see information comparing pavement temp, air temp, relative humidity, barometric pressure, etc. for the two runs.
It will also be interesting what the new Vette will do now at the Ring since there are Pilot Sport Cup tires available for it as was on the ACR. I'm betting on the Vette!
HelimanZ06 7 months ago
Viper > Vette in every way, sry vette fanboys .
cryteeek 8 months ago
@cryteeek
It's still american, that's what counts.
Vaicurious 8 months ago
The viper acr is street legal
SHTINONCHEVY 8 months ago
I have a question...I saw in another video on youtube that the ACR isn't street legal....is that true anyone? I know the ZR1 is cause I've seen a few of them on the street...well....just one actually and I almost crashed my truck looking at it.
krystalroxdotcom 8 months ago
@krystalroxdotcom ACR is, but the ACR-X is not.
Refort610 8 months ago
Till this very day ricers and fanboys STILL say and I quote some ignorance "GT-R is king and Americans cannot compete!". <----------- multiple people say this crap
Viper did this without any fancy BS electronic aesthetics, stability control or traction control. Pure machine. Less than $100,000.
randomdude5640 9 months ago
The best 8:34 of my life, DAMN good drivers!!
xxxELITE12 10 months ago
Not surprised the Viper won, had a huge lead on the vette through out the later half. But dont get me wrong, i like the Corvette to. Who says dodge sucks? Now i hope people will know better!
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porsche gt2 rs 9:18^^
masedama 10 months ago
To be exact courtney its a Gumpert Apollo and it is powered by an Audi power plant, Im not getting into a pissing match both car are brutally fast and they both step on the Italians toes....which makes me happy, and I'll include the Ford GT into that as well...because its nasty
TheGunslinger2001 10 months ago
Damn over 4 seconds. Viper!!
Antoniocool86 11 months ago
Funny thing is if you listen closely this tool bag keeps bouncing the ZR1 off the rev limiter, that would cost time no? And for the record ARMONI555 the Gumpart is an Audi
TheGunslinger2001 11 months ago
@TheGunslinger2001 That was actually the Viper bouncing off the limiter.
Refort610 11 months ago
@TheGunslinger2001 LOL That is the viper hitting the rev limiter. Watch it's vid on its own, or just observe the shifter rattling violently. Shifting occupied a lot of time, plus the gearing for the car was apparently not ideal for the track, so Coronel just kept smacking the limiter until he was able to up shift. In regard to the gumpart, an engine alone does not make a car. The Gumpart would to fine with other drive trains as well.
DrifterB2W 11 months ago
@TheGunslinger2001 For the record; it's a Gumpert.
Courtney7390 10 months ago
Funny thing is if you listen closely this tool bag keeps bouncing the ZR1 off the rev limiter, that would cost time no?
TheGunslinger2001 11 months ago
Cool post! Thx!
Echoboy2002 11 months ago
Viper looked a lot smoother in the turns, but I'll take the vette!
150grnballistictip 1 year ago
@150grnballistictip Actually, if you watch the steering efforts of both drivers around corners you'll notice the viper steering is quite busy while the vette steering was much smoother. Vipers need more effort and driver input around corners. This is one of the characteristics of the viper everyone talks about when discussing the rawness of the viper. You better know what the hell you're doing when pushing an ACR to it's max.
thybigballs 10 months ago
yeah this dodge viper set the record that has yet to be beat my either porche gt2 or gt3 and the gtr it ran like a 7;22 and anyone thats not american hates it !!! . the only car that ran better than is thats street legal is the gumpart apollo and thats a supercar
ARMONI555 1 year ago
The acr takes corners so much better, the zr1 looks sloppy and out of control.
bitchIZsalty 1 year ago 2
Viper is ahead the whole race. Viper takes corners better.
Two awesome sports cars. They both win!!
phantom5573 1 year ago
ZR1 THE BEST
MetaLHammeRShiT 1 year ago
Obviously the first two american sportscars that can go around corners.
razorsedge82 1 year ago
viper is better in every way :)
tatletales2 1 year ago 2
Wow im proud of both cars. Honestly ima chevy man and i love the corvette zr1 the reason the acr is faster is because it can run at the red line on the limit. but hey you can hate all you want but American cars on top.
MrSupersaiyangoku 1 year ago
who says american cars cant go around corners?
lincolngsxr88 1 year ago 49
@lincolngsxr88
A European nut job.
krocialblack 8 months ago
Like to see the vette get a goddy fin too. With a little more down force it could do a little bit better.
TexasNova 1 year ago
@Xzercist they are using a regular acr for this run. besides, the corvette had racing fuel and race slicks that day.
MrOdogowen 1 year ago
That viper driver is fearless D= The ZR-1 driver coulda been faster around some of those corners, methinks, perhaps a bit too cautious.
Vicious713 1 year ago
@Vicious713 Lets see you drive around the nurburgring faster! He was like that because if he was faster it would have over steer'd and he would have probably crash.
Blueball0120 1 year ago
I like that the Viper uses less gear shift through the corners and also the good handling. This car would aoutrun the corvette on the track and on the street. Go DODGE!
david01dc 1 year ago
great cars... bad drivers
me58261 1 year ago
@me58261 Lets see you drive the nurburgring faster.
Blueball0120 1 year ago
@Blueball0120 not saying i can... just saying they definately could've done better, what with the guy driving the viper constantly redlinin his car, and the guy in the zr-1 constantly oversteering, i mean yeah its a kinda hard to drive those cars (maybe not the viper) but its not that hard...
me58261 1 year ago
@me58261 what are you talking about? the viper is definitely HARD to drive, vipers dont come with traction control!
he's bouncing off the rev limiter because of the shitty ass gearing in the viper. he would be wasting time by upshifting so he chooses to stay on the gas and bounce off the rev limiter.
cliffabrown 1 year ago
@cliffabrown vipers are best handling cars america has made... I think thats what they advertised... not sure... still, i'm susre if they tackled it a couple of more time they'd get much better times.
me58261 1 year ago
@cliffabrown what! the zr1 and acr both maxed out transmission scores and both have amazin gears the acr driver isnt avoiding upshifting he tends to ride 4 and 5 so he is kkeping it high gear plus YOU DONT WANT TRACTION CONTROL ON CARS LIKE THE ACR! you drift alot and you relly want the engine to stay out of the way
ken0is0gay0fan0club 1 year ago
@ken0is0gay0fan0club looks more like hes in 3rd and 4th he only shifted to 5th mabe like 3 or 4 times
lincolngsxr88 1 year ago
@me58261 what are you talking about? the viper is definitely HARD to drive, vipers dont come with traction control!
he's bouncing off the rev limiter because of the shitty ass gearing in the viper. he would be wasting time by upshifting so he chooses to stay on the gas and bounce off the rev limiter.
cliffabrown 1 year ago
@cliffabrown the zr1 and the acr have the same tranny the viper has wider gears because its better made supercar for the track
zALCe88 1 year ago
@cliffabrown Both of them have the same trans. The difference in horsepower and torque curves between the two cars dictates the shifting. Also, with the Viper's brutal torque you can pretty much drive around town all day with it stuck in 2nd gear and be just fine.
thybigballs 10 months ago
@thybigballs just because they use the same transmission doesn't mean they have the same gear ratios. the zr1 has 3.42's, the viper has 3.07's. the horsepower/torque curves do nothing to actually dictate shift points, unless you're looking at it from an engineering standpoint (figuring out what gear ratios to use based on deriving the proper ratios from factors such as weight and powerband, along with desired performance)
cliffabrown 9 months ago
@me58261 Bad drivers? You do know the driver of the Viper set the record in this video, right? Can you expand on you're statement of how they were bad drivers?
thybigballs 10 months ago
Such a good match up. I've always been a vette man, but the brutality of the viper is astounding. I've got much respect for both of these cars.
Ribbityibzki 1 year ago 28
@Ribbityibzki It breaks my heart to see ZR1 4-sec. slower at ANYTHING, especially a standardized, almost benchmark test like Nürburgring. BUT as for the "brutality" of the VIPER, it really showed itself to be much easier to manage. It really is a race car and God Bless ZR1 for attempting to do the only thing that The ACR is good at doing (being a race car) ! ZR1 bottomed out & jumped around & tried to be as grippy on 10mm less tread. Oh well, tests are done. Now which one could your WIFE drive?
STIRKDAWG 10 months ago
@STIRKDAWG Heh, if my wife was sitting in a ZR1 it'd be in the passenger seat! But hey, I'd say 4 seconds slower is reasonable considering the Vette is also probably throwing around equipment like heated seats, satnav, a Bose sound system, etc. And it doesn't have that massive wing driving the rear tires into the ground at speed.
Ribbityibzki 10 months ago
@STIRKDAWG Tire width has nothing to do with traction.
kdaviper 10 months ago
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STIRKDAWG 10 months ago
@STIRKDAWG The only thing that correlates with traction is the softness of the rubber used in the tire. if you don't believe me, ask a physics professor.
kdaviper 10 months ago
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STIRKDAWG 10 months ago
@STIRKDAWG The contact patch of a 300 mm wide tire has the same area as a 200 mm tire if the tire pressures are the same in the two tires. Even if the contact patch were bigger, there would be no difference in friction between the tire and the road surface. Friction doesn't work like that. Fk</=Uk*Fn
kdaviper 10 months ago
@kdaviper I did some research. I lose. technically, you're right; that it's the actual rubber compound that creats friction and surprisingly, that frictional force is INDEPENDENT of area. The tires are actually wider for support for support of the softer rubber. *I STAND CORRECTED (and VERY humbled).
STIRKDAWG 10 months ago
@STIRKDAWG it's ok, I used to think the same thing until I started studying physics
kdaviper 10 months ago
@STIRKDAWG wow some one who actually admits they were wrong!!!! atleast you have the balls to admit it my friend!!! : )
r1casill 9 months ago
@kdaviper I was actually thinking about this a lot lately and it's easier to understand when imagining a total LACK of traction - rather than the physics of why MORE sq. in. WOULDN'T necessarily translate into more traction. Very simply, excluding weight and whatever "melt-welding" may occur, JUST A THEORETICAL absence of traction, much like ice, wouldn't be remedied by a WIDER ICE WHEEL. It'd still just sit & spin because there never was any traction. The same applies transversely!
STIRKDAWG 9 months ago
@kdaviper I'm kinda lost with your post. How would a 1" wide tire have the same contact patch as a 10" tire? Concerning how a wider tire doesn't mean more friction, am I correct when I say the weight on a 1" tire provides the same friction as a 10" tire because the weight is distributed more on the wider tire and therefore less friction per square inch?
thybigballs 5 months ago
@thybigballs KdaViper is correct- A 1" tire WOULD have the same contact patch size as a 10" wide tire, assuming equal psi/weights pushing down on them. However, No- the 1" tire would not provide the same traction as a 10" tire would.
SidewaysGts 5 months ago
@SidewaysGts I have pondered a bit about it but it still isn't quite clear. For simplicity reason, lets say we have a 1" tire with a 1" square contact patch. There is exactly 1000 lbs pushing down on this 1" square. Now, lets use a 10" tire that has a 10" square contact patch. This would then spread the weight to only 100 lbs per square inch of the contact patch. So, theoretically, doesn't both have the same friction force then? Somebody needs to help me out here or I will lay awake at night.
thybigballs 5 months ago
@thybigballs Ill answer your question but I want to clarify firstly that your example isnt keeping all forces equal. In your equation the 10" tire has a lower psi, if the psis were the same- they would have the same contact patch. But to answer your question simply, no- they wouldnt. Text book measurements of "Friction" only work in "perfect world" scenarios. Tires have an additional property to take into account- Adhesion. Your 10" wide tire with a 10 square inch (pt1)
SidewaysGts 5 months ago
@SidewaysGts Damnit, I forgot the contact patch size wouldn't change when you go with a wider tire. This is what screwed me up. The other things you mentioned such as adhesion was good info. Thanks for the help. Now I can sleep tonight...LOL
thybigballs 5 months ago
@thybigballs (pt2) contact patch has much more "adhesion" going on compared to the 1" of the other tire. Now the other more appropriate question (And im only assuming this was the point of the comment you were replying to originally, i was unable to find it) would be when 2 tires of different widths (same compound) and are set to the same psi and thus have the same contact patch, shouldnt they have the same amount of adhesion?
SidewaysGts 5 months ago